Post your closest K13 result using 3 populations approximation

[Dušan]

From admixture studio.

Using 3 populations approximation
1 33% Ukrainian + 33% Ukrainian + 33% Central_Greek @ 4.509

Post your closest result :)

[Kyp]

Myself:
Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Austrian +25% Iranian_Jewish +25% Turkmen @ 3.948910
AS: 1 33% Romanian + 33% Romanian + 33% Turkmen @ 3,392


My father:
Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Assyrian +25% Kumyk +25% Turkmen @ 5.968817
AS: 1 33% Iranian + 33% Turkish + 33% Turkmen @ 5,352


My mother:
Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% North_German +25% Spanish_Andalucia +25% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 1.571715
AS: 33% Austrian + 33% East_German + 33% South_Dutch @ 2,385

[Dušan]

Couldn't access Admixture Studio (will add later).




Nice. From admixture studio is different percentage than on Gedmatch: 33%-33%-33%.

It would be nice to see these closest results.

[Chris596]

Using 3 populations approximation
1 33% Bulgarian + 33% Bulgarian + 33% South_Polish @ 1.959

Btw this is a good idea :thumb001:

[Dušan]

1 33% Bulgarian + 33% Bulgarian + 33% South_Polish @ 1.959

Btw this is a good idea :thumb001:

Very close distance. :)

[Coastal Elite]

AncestryDNA raw data

1 33% Southeast_English + 33% North_German + 33% Italian_Abruzzo @ 2.423

23andMe data

1 33% Southeast_English + 33% Danish + 33% Greek_Thessaly @ 1.922

[17571imre]

my mother:
Using 3 populations approximation
1 33% North_Swedish + 33% Southwest_Russian + 33% West_Sicilian @ 4,352

mine:
Using 3 populations approximation
1 33% Hungarian + 33% Hungarian + 33% North_Italian @ 1,605

[Helen]

Using 3 populations approximation
1 33% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + 33% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + 33% North_Italian @ 2,011

[Helen]

double post

[someonenotyou]

With AS
Using 3 populations approximation
1 33% Moldavian + 33% Moldavian + 33% French @ 3.750

With GED
1 50% Estonian_Polish +25% French_Basque +25% Turkish @ 3.485314

[Thracian]

1 33% North_Italian + 33% Moldavian + 33% Iranian @ 2,877

[Jana]

Don't have admixture Studio. From gedmatch:

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Moldavian +25% Moldavian +25% West_German @ 3.564940

[Rædwald]

Using 3 populations approximation

1 33% North_Swedish + 33% North_Swedish + 33% Spanish_Valencia @ 3.077

[Ion Basescul]

23andme+LivingDNA
1 33% Serbian + 33% Serbian + 33% Moldavian @ 2.825

Imputed
1 33% Moldavian + 33% Moldavian + 33% Romanian @ 3.027

[Scandal]

Dna genics admixture studio

1 33% Estonian + 33% Estonian + 33% Ashkenazi @ 4.380
these calculators often want to give me jewish because of my 2.32% red_sea and 0.72% Northeast_african... who knows, maybe I'm distantly jewish.

[Gallop]

Using 3 populations approximation:

1 50% French_Basque +25% Romanian +25% Spanish_Extremadura @ 4.688785

[Götterfunke]

Also using Gedmatch since I don't have the studio:

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% French +25% Hungarian +25% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 1.483631

[Dušan]

Great and interesting results everyone. :thumb001:

[Blemoir]

1 33% AostaValley + 33% AostaValley + 33% Tunisian @ 3,555

[Impaler]

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Ashkenazi +25% Swedish +25% Tadjik @ 5.190890

[Kaspias]

Using 3 populations approximation
1 33% Turk_Komotini + 33% Turk_Komotini + 33% Pomak_Xanthi @ 3,098
2 33% Turk_Targovishte + 33% Turk_Kardzhali-South-Plain + 33% Pomak_Xanthi @ 3,538
3 33% Turk_Kardzhali-South-Plain + 33% Turk_Kardzhali-South-Plain + 33% Pomak_Xanthi @ 3,592
4 33% Turk_Komotini + 33% Turk_Targovishte + 33% Pomak_Xanthi @ 3,609
5 33% Turk_Xanthi + 33% Turk_Komotini + 33% Pomak_Xanthi @ 3,776
6 33% Turk_Komotini + 33% Turk_Komotini + 33% Pomak_Plovdiv @ 4,396

[Dušan]

K13 extended version:

Using 3 populations approximation
1 33% Romanian_Muntenia + 33% Serb_North-Macedonia + 33% Estonian_Polish @ 2.245
2 33% Romanian_Muntenia + 33% Serb_North-Macedonia + 33% Belorussian @ 2.625
3 33% Romanian_Muntenia + 33% Serb_North-Macedonia + 33% Russian_Smolensk @ 2.683

[RatCat]

K13 Extended Oracle:
33% Greek_Trabzon + 33% Laz + 33% Kumyk @ 2,190

G25( With the least distance i managed to do in a short time)
Target: RatCat
Distance: 1.4901% / 1.49013774
56.0 Greek_Caucasus
22.6 Ossetian
21.4 Kumyk

[Thracian]

1 33% North_Italian + 33% Moldavian + 33% Iranian @ 2,877

And the extended one.

1 33% Piedmont + 33% Moldavian + 33% Lor_Iran @ 2,882

Strangely, I still have the same.

[gixajo]

results from Gedmatch, sorry.

Me.

Using 3 populations approximation:
50% Southwest_French +25% Spanish_Cantabria +25% Spanish_Galicia @ 4.315478

My father.

Using 3 populations approximation:
50% Portuguese +25% Sardinian +25% Southwest_English @ 4.115072

My mother.

Using 3 populations approximation:
50% French_Basque +25% Southwest_French +25% Spanish_Cantabria @ 2.825404

[Kaspias]

And the extended one.

1 33% Piedmont + 33% Moldavian + 33% Lor_Iran @ 2,882

Strangely, I still have the same.

My father has a similar breakdown

33% Basilicata + 33% Bulgarian_Serres + 33% Afghan_Turkmen @ 3,727
33% Bulgarian_Southwest + 33% Abruzzo + 33% Afghan_Turkmen @ 3,789
33% Romanian_Oltenia + 33% Basilicata + 33% Afghan_Turkmen @ 3,992

[calxpal]

1 33% North_Dutch + 33% North_Swedish + 33% Bulgarian @ 2.005

[hmaohma78]

1 50% Mayan +25% North_Italian +25% Spanish_Galicia @ 7.880333

[Thracian]

My father has a similar breakdown

33% Basilicata + 33% Bulgarian_Serres + 33% Afghan_Turkmen @ 3,727
33% Bulgarian_Southwest + 33% Abruzzo + 33% Afghan_Turkmen @ 3,789
33% Romanian_Oltenia + 33% Basilicata + 33% Afghan_Turkmen @ 3,992

Very similar indeed. WHat about his 4 pop app? Does he get similar breakdown with his 3 pop app?

[Kaspias]

Very similar indeed. WHat about his 4 pop app? Does he get similar breakdown with his 3 pop app?

Different, I suppose.

Using 4 populations approximation
1 25% Turk_Kazanlik + 25% Turk_Kazanlik + 25% Turk_Kazanlik + 25% Afghan_Turkmen @ 4,396
2 25% Turk_Alexandroupoli + 25% Turk_Alexandroupoli + 25% Turk_Alexandroupoli + 25% Afghan_Turkmen @ 4,468
3 25% Turk_Kazanlik + 25% Turk_Kazanlik + 25% Turk_Kazanlik + 25% Turkmen_Uzbekistan @ 4,618
4 25% Greek_Andros_Island + 25% Greek_Andros_Island + 25% Turk_N-Macedonia + 25% Afghan_Turkmen @ 4,679
5 25% Friuli-VG + 25% Friuli-VG + 25% Turk_Central_East + 25% Afghan_Turkmen @ 4,843
6 25% Turk_Crete + 25% Turk_Crete + 25% Turk_Alexandroupoli + 25% Afghan_Turkmen @ 4,885
7 25% Moroccan_Jew + 25% Moroccan_Jew + 25% Afghan_Turkmen + 25% Tatar @ 4,915
8 25% Turk_Alexandroupoli + 25% Turk_Alexandroupoli + 25% Turk_Alexandroupoli + 25% Uzbeki @ 4,915
9 25% Turk_Kavala + 25% Turk_Kavala + 25% Turk_Crete + 25% Afghan_Turkmen @ 4,986
10 25% GR_Peloponese + 25% GR_Peloponese + 25% Greek_Central-Macedonia + 25% Afghan_Turkmen @ 5,000

But prefers to give Italian regions(which are proxies for Thracians) + Tatar in two pops.

Using 2 populations approximation
1 50% Basilicata + 50% Crimean_Tatar @ 5,529
2 50% Crimean_Tatar + 50% Campania @ 5,562
3 50% Abruzzo + 50% Crimean_Tatar @ 5,619
4 50% Apulia + 50% Crimean_Tatar @ 5,659
5 50% Molise + 50% Crimean_Tatar @ 5,763
6 50% Sicily + 50% Crimean_Tatar @ 5,794
7 50% Greek_Andros_Island + 50% Crimean_Tatar @ 5,903
8 50% East_Sicilian + 50% Crimean_Tatar @ 5,930
9 50% Greek_Symi_Island + 50% Tatar @ 5,974
10 50% Crimean_Tatar + 50% West_Sicilian @ 6,065

[vbnetkhio]

33% Sungir6_Early_Medieval_Russian_I2a_I2a + 33% Sungir6_Early_Medieval_Russian_I2a_I2a + 33% I8215_2iberia @ 2,429

33% South_Croat_Slavic_Cluster + 33% South_Croat_Slavic_Cluster + 33% Macedonian_Southwest @ 3,448

33% Southwest_Russian + 33% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 33% Sardinian @ 5,441

50% Erzya +25% Greek_Thessaly +25% Sardinian @ 4.494235

[Elias.99]

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Algerian +25% Kurdish +25% Lebanese_Muslim @ 3.215533

[Dušan]

33% Sungir6_Early_Medieval_Russian_I2a_I2a + 33% Sungir6_Early_Medieval_Russian_I2a_I2a + 33% I8215_2iberia @ 2,429


My ancient:

1 33% Sungir6_Early_Medieval_Russian_I2a_I2a + 33% Sungir6_Early_Medieval_Russian_I2a_I2a + 33% IA_Prenestina_Selicata_R437 @ 2.646





Does anyone have values for IA_Prenestina_Selicata_R437?

[Thracian]

Different, I suppose.

Using 4 populations approximation
1 25% Turk_Kazanlik + 25% Turk_Kazanlik + 25% Turk_Kazanlik + 25% Afghan_Turkmen @ 4,396
2 25% Turk_Alexandroupoli + 25% Turk_Alexandroupoli + 25% Turk_Alexandroupoli + 25% Afghan_Turkmen @ 4,468
3 25% Turk_Kazanlik + 25% Turk_Kazanlik + 25% Turk_Kazanlik + 25% Turkmen_Uzbekistan @ 4,618
4 25% Greek_Andros_Island + 25% Greek_Andros_Island + 25% Turk_N-Macedonia + 25% Afghan_Turkmen @ 4,679
5 25% Friuli-VG + 25% Friuli-VG + 25% Turk_Central_East + 25% Afghan_Turkmen @ 4,843
6 25% Turk_Crete + 25% Turk_Crete + 25% Turk_Alexandroupoli + 25% Afghan_Turkmen @ 4,885
7 25% Moroccan_Jew + 25% Moroccan_Jew + 25% Afghan_Turkmen + 25% Tatar @ 4,915
8 25% Turk_Alexandroupoli + 25% Turk_Alexandroupoli + 25% Turk_Alexandroupoli + 25% Uzbeki @ 4,915
9 25% Turk_Kavala + 25% Turk_Kavala + 25% Turk_Crete + 25% Afghan_Turkmen @ 4,986
10 25% GR_Peloponese + 25% GR_Peloponese + 25% Greek_Central-Macedonia + 25% Afghan_Turkmen @ 5,000

But prefers to give Italian regions(which are proxies for Thracians) + Tatar in two pops.

Using 2 populations approximation
1 50% Basilicata + 50% Crimean_Tatar @ 5,529
2 50% Crimean_Tatar + 50% Campania @ 5,562
3 50% Abruzzo + 50% Crimean_Tatar @ 5,619
4 50% Apulia + 50% Crimean_Tatar @ 5,659
5 50% Molise + 50% Crimean_Tatar @ 5,763
6 50% Sicily + 50% Crimean_Tatar @ 5,794
7 50% Greek_Andros_Island + 50% Crimean_Tatar @ 5,903
8 50% East_Sicilian + 50% Crimean_Tatar @ 5,930
9 50% Greek_Symi_Island + 50% Tatar @ 5,974
10 50% Crimean_Tatar + 50% West_Sicilian @ 6,065

Yes, 4 pop is a bit different..

Using 4 populations approximation
1 25% Vlach_North-Macedonia-Highlander + 25% Vlach_North-Macedonia-Highlander + 25% Torbeshi_North-Macedonia-East + 25% Tadjik @ 2,590
2 25% Vlach_Central-Macedonia + 25% Vlach_Central-Macedonia + 25% Bulgarian_Stara-Zagora + 25% Tadjik @ 2,606
3 25% Greek_Thessaly + 25% Greek_Thessaly + 25% Vlach_North-Macedonia-Highlander + 25% Tadjik @ 2,618
4 25% Vlach_North-Macedonia + 25% Vlach_North-Macedonia + 25% Bulgarian_Gabrovo + 25% Turkmen @ 2,791
5 25% Bulgarian_Dupnitsa + 25% Bulgarian_Dupnitsa + 25% Malta + 25% Iran_Centraleast @ 2,834
6 25% Vlach_North-Macedonia + 25% Vlach_North-Macedonia + 25% Vlach_North-Macedonia + 25% Turkmen @ 2,858
7 25% Bulgarian_Eastern-Rhodopes + 25% Bulgarian_Eastern-Rhodopes + 25% Bulgarian_Eastern-Rhodopes + 25% Turk_South @ 2,928
8 25% Greek_Eastern-Macedonia + 25% Greek_Eastern-Macedonia + 25% Pomak_Nevrokopi + 25% Tadjik @ 3,043
9 25% Vlach_North-Macedonia-Highlander + 25% Vlach_North-Macedonia-Highlander + 25% Vlach_North-Macedonia-Highlander + 25% Afghan_Tadjik @ 3,063
10 25% Vlach_North-Macedonia + 25% Vlach_North-Macedonia + 25% Bulgarian_Gabrovo + 25% Iran_Centraleast @ 3,071

That's awesome. A bit different than mine like 4 pop one.

Using 2 populations approximation
1 50% Croat_Bosnia + 50% Turkish_mixed @ 3,611
2 50% Csango_Gymes + 50% Turkish_mixed @ 3,618
3 50% Turk_Kardzhali-West + 50% Turk_Burgas @ 3,705
4 50% Turk_Stara-Zagora + 50% Turk_Edirne @ 3,764
5 50% Turk_Edirne + 50% Pomak_Central-Macedonia @ 3,831
6 50% Turk_Edirne + 50% Bulgarian_Eastern-Rhodopes @ 3,964
7 50% Turk_Sliven-Alevi + 50% Turk_Crete @ 3,976
8 50% Turk_Edirne + 50% Macedonian_Southeast @ 4,018
9 50% Croat_Split + 50% Turkish_mixed @ 4,055
10 50% Bulgarian_Dupnitsa + 50% Turk_Central_West @ 4,087

[Adamm]

1 33% Moroccan + 33% Moroccan + 33% Tunisian @ 5,000

[ModernMaskil]

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Algerian_Jewish +25% Lebanese_Druze +25% Southeast_English @ 2.680763

[Kaspias]

Yes, 4 pop is a bit different..

Using 4 populations approximation
1 25% Vlach_North-Macedonia-Highlander + 25% Vlach_North-Macedonia-Highlander + 25% Torbeshi_North-Macedonia-East + 25% Tadjik @ 2,590
2 25% Vlach_Central-Macedonia + 25% Vlach_Central-Macedonia + 25% Bulgarian_Stara-Zagora + 25% Tadjik @ 2,606
3 25% Greek_Thessaly + 25% Greek_Thessaly + 25% Vlach_North-Macedonia-Highlander + 25% Tadjik @ 2,618
4 25% Vlach_North-Macedonia + 25% Vlach_North-Macedonia + 25% Bulgarian_Gabrovo + 25% Turkmen @ 2,791
5 25% Bulgarian_Dupnitsa + 25% Bulgarian_Dupnitsa + 25% Malta + 25% Iran_Centraleast @ 2,834
6 25% Vlach_North-Macedonia + 25% Vlach_North-Macedonia + 25% Vlach_North-Macedonia + 25% Turkmen @ 2,858
7 25% Bulgarian_Eastern-Rhodopes + 25% Bulgarian_Eastern-Rhodopes + 25% Bulgarian_Eastern-Rhodopes + 25% Turk_South @ 2,928
8 25% Greek_Eastern-Macedonia + 25% Greek_Eastern-Macedonia + 25% Pomak_Nevrokopi + 25% Tadjik @ 3,043
9 25% Vlach_North-Macedonia-Highlander + 25% Vlach_North-Macedonia-Highlander + 25% Vlach_North-Macedonia-Highlander + 25% Afghan_Tadjik @ 3,063
10 25% Vlach_North-Macedonia + 25% Vlach_North-Macedonia + 25% Bulgarian_Gabrovo + 25% Iran_Centraleast @ 3,071

That's awesome. A bit different than mine like 4 pop one.

Using 2 populations approximation
1 50% Croat_Bosnia + 50% Turkish_mixed @ 3,611
2 50% Csango_Gymes + 50% Turkish_mixed @ 3,618
3 50% Turk_Kardzhali-West + 50% Turk_Burgas @ 3,705
4 50% Turk_Stara-Zagora + 50% Turk_Edirne @ 3,764
5 50% Turk_Edirne + 50% Pomak_Central-Macedonia @ 3,831
6 50% Turk_Edirne + 50% Bulgarian_Eastern-Rhodopes @ 3,964
7 50% Turk_Sliven-Alevi + 50% Turk_Crete @ 3,976
8 50% Turk_Edirne + 50% Macedonian_Southeast @ 4,018
9 50% Croat_Split + 50% Turkish_mixed @ 4,055
10 50% Bulgarian_Dupnitsa + 50% Turk_Central_West @ 4,087

Well, I was thinking I have to update Eurogenes K13 oracles with more generalized regions(like Turk_Deliorman, etc.) instead of city samples yet such diversity between Balkan samples works actually efficient for us. Your 4-oracle probably one of the most decent stuff you can get with your autosomal DNA for now. (Same for me, or my father)

It is fantastic how your Turkic admixture can be evaluated with a lot of variety: Iran_Centraleast, Tadjik, Turkmen, Afghan Tadjik, Turk South. I also noticed both me and my father often get Targovishte as well as Thrace samples, fits the documented ancestry(1/4 Pravadı), which means it is even capable of detect minor influences.

[oszkar07]

Using 3 populations approximation
1 33% Southeast_English + 33% Serbian + 33% Southwest_Finnish @ 2.153

[vbnetkhio]

My ancient:

1 33% Sungir6_Early_Medieval_Russian_I2a_I2a + 33% Sungir6_Early_Medieval_Russian_I2a_I2a + 33% IA_Prenestina_Selicata_R437 @ 2.646





Does anyone have values for IA_Prenestina_Selicata_R437?

you can find it in your admixture studio folder, AdmixtureStudioV249\Calculators\EUROGENESK13_ANCIE NT\EUROGENESK13_Ancient_Commas.txt

IA_Prenestina_Selicata_R437,19.08,5.15,27.36,15.02 ,28.43,4.56,0,0.4,0,0,0,0,0

i also get R437 in one model, but in combination with AV2.

it's an Italic+Anatolian or Armenian mix from the Roman Republic period.

[Dr_Maul]

1 50% Georgian_Jewish +25% Georgian_Jewish +25% Pathan @ 3.327873

[WhatsGoingOnBigGuy]

1 50% Danish +25% East_German +25% French @ 1.586591

[Dušan]

you can find it in your admixture studio folder, AdmixtureStudioV249\Calculators\EUROGENESK13_ANCIE NT\EUROGENESK13_Ancient_Commas.txt

IA_Prenestina_Selicata_R437,19.08,5.15,27.36,15.02 ,28.43,4.56,0,0.4,0,0,0,0,0

i also get R437 in one model, but in combination with AV2.

it's an Italic+Anatolian or Armenian mix from the Roman Republic period.

I found it, thanks.

Distance to: IA_Prenestina_Selicata_R437
6.35684670 South_Italian
7.23656687 West_Sicilian
8.26925631 Central_Greek
8.27702845 East_Sicilian
8.53602366 Italian_Abruzzo


Target: IA_Prenestina_Selicata_R437
Distance: 0.9785% / 0.97853353
37.0 Italian_Abruzzo
23.2 Cyprian
21.4 Sardinian
7.8 French_Basque
6.4 Abhkasian
4.2 Lebanese_Druze

[Thracian]

Well, I was thinking I have to update Eurogenes K13 oracles with more generalized regions(like Turk_Deliorman, etc.) instead of city samples yet such diversity between Balkan samples works actually efficient for us. Your 4-oracle probably one of the most decent stuff you can get with your autosomal DNA for now. (Same for me, or my father)

It is fantastic how your Turkic admixture can be evaluated with a lot of variety: Iran_Centraleast, Tadjik, Turkmen, Afghan Tadjik, Turk South. I also noticed both me and my father often get Targovishte as well as Thrace samples, fits the documented ancestry(1/4 Pravadı), which means it is even capable of detect minor influences.

My Mixed mode is also quite good. I think we can still re-organize Turks and Bulgarians to make it more clear. However, getting 100% Rumeli Turk is boring as hell :) it also doesn't say anything about your possible admixture. My lower East Eurasian and relatively higher South Asian cause this. Iranians also have some East Eurasian, and Central Asian Iranics. And Turkmens also have Iranian admixture. Turk South was also something like that if I remember correctly. This is awesome actually if it really detects minor influences. Clearly, your father is modeled half Balkan native and half Turkic, and in your case you have extra Slavic from your mother. But you are also still predominantly native, I assume.

[Kaspias]

My Mixed mode is also quite good. I think we can still re-organize Turks and Bulgarians to make it more clear. However, getting 100% Rumeli Turk is boring as hell :) it also doesn't say anything about your possible admixture. My lower East Eurasian and relatively higher South Asian cause this. Iranians also have some East Eurasian, and Central Asian Iranics. And Turkmens also have Iranian admixture. Turk South was also something like that if I remember correctly. This is awesome actually if it really detects minor influences. Clearly, your father is modeled half Balkan native and half Turkic, and in your case you have extra Slavic from your mother. But you are also still predominantly native, I assume.

I'm planning to update Balkan Turk samples first as I enlarged my database in recent months, yet should obtain some more from Macedonia and NE Bulgaria. (Currently: Thrace N= 65 Deliorman N= 34 Macedonia N= 16) We can discuss later the components. In addition, I will use Jhonny's data on Macedonians. Torbeshi and Vlach samples are already OK. I have lost all Bulgarians I had, so this part needs a lot of work.

[alexmegas777]

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Southwest_French +25% Southwest_Russian +25% Turkish @ 2.286055