Who is lighter Greeks or Ashkenazi Jews?

[Marlez]

From your observation, who do you think is lighter (on average)?

Greeks or Ashkenazi Jews?

[vellas]

greeks look like arabs

ashkenazi jews look central european

answer is very obvious...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ckVYO9oI8vc

[Zeno]

Pathetic thread/10.

Into the trash it goes...

[Cristiano viejo]

Greeks.

I find amusing a Jew saying others look like Arabs. Precisely a Jew...

[Chris596]

Hello my friend how are you?

I've seen both light and dark individuals among them. I can't really decide it.

There are pretty light Jews like Mark Zuckerberg and also dark ones like Jeff Goldblum. Same in the case of Greeks.

[vellas]

Greeks.

I find amusing a Jew saying others look like Arabs. Precisely a Jew...

delusion is very strong here...

greeks and spanish look like arabs compared to ashkenazim. a comparison with bosnians is more realistic.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NdLMaQ49Mhk

[vellas]

Greeks.

I find amusing a Jew saying others look like Arabs. Precisely a Jew...

delusion is very strong here...

greeks and spanish look like arabs compared to ashkenazim. a comparison with bosnians is more realistic.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NdLMaQ49Mhk

[Unknown European]

I think the average Greek is slightly darker. light hair and eyes are more common in Ashkenazis. Very fair skin is also slightly more common in Ashkenazis. Jews that could blend with locals from our host countries survived more often during pogroms and attacks.

[Zeno]

I think the average Greek is slightly darker. light hair and eyes are more common in Ashkenazis. Very fair skin is also slightly more common in Ashkenazis. Jews that could blend with locals from our host countries survived more often during pogroms and attacks.

Wrong.

In a study done in 2272 Jews in New York made by Fishberg, they were 16,51% light-haired. Darker than anyone in the Greek mainland. You're equal to Cretans.

[Unknown European]

Wrong.

In a study done in 2272 Jews in New York made by Fishberg, they were 16,51% light-haired. Darker than anyone in the Greek mainland. You're equal to Cretans.

maybe not hair but light eyes are definitely more common though in us

Jews from 19th century London:
English Ashkenazim: Blue 11.1 Grey 30.1 Brown 58.8.
English Sephardim: Blue 21.3 Grey 11.9 Brown 66.8.

[Zeno]

Light eyes are definitely more common though in us

Nope. Absolutely not.

[KingOf]

Jews.
Overall body mass index in Greece is 27.3 and in Israel 26.3.

[Zeno]

Jews.
Overall body mass index in Greece is 27.3 and in Israel 26.3.

Well played m8.

[Voskos]

Time for some laughs. A Hassidi just insulted Cristiano Viejo.

[Cristiano viejo]

delusion is very strong here...

greeks and spanish look like arabs compared to ashkenazim. a comparison with bosnians is more realistic.

Agreed, delusion is very strong. Your delusion.

Ashkenazis look like Arabs, for something they are their cousins. Features dont cheat.

[mitalit]

Greeks.

[Kamal900]

Agreed, delusion is very strong. Your delusion.

Ashkenazis look like Arabs, for something they are their cousins. Features dont cheat.

Actually, they cluster with Sicilians the closest, so..yeah, you can say that they have both west asiatic and southern European features. Kinda missed Sikeliot.

[Dr_Maul]

In my opinion Greeks are more balanced when it comes to pigmentation, with a vast majority of them being standard Med/pontid types. While Ashkenazi might have a higher percentage of blonde types (not sure) I feel like the amount of Wogistanis in their group is a lot higher than Greeks

[stellan]

why is everyone on this forum like obsessed with how light/dark greeks are

[Unknown European]

In my opinion Greeks are more balanced when it comes to pigmentation, with a vast majority of them being standard Med/pontid types. While Ashkenazi might have a higher percentage of blonde types (not sure) I feel like the amount of Wogistanis in their group is a lot higher than Greeks

I think it is the other way around light hair is more common in Greeks
And light eyes are more common in Ashkenazi
Skin color is close but very fair white skin seems to be slightly more common in Ashkenazis

[Unknown European]

Nope. Absolutely not.

How come?

[vellas]

Actually, they cluster with Sicilians the closest, so..yeah, you can say that they have both west asiatic and southern European features. Kinda missed Sikeliot.

find me a place in south europe with people who look like this?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tdQM6Ydgm_w

[calxpal]

Greeks, although I have seen a few Jews with very light features.

[Cristiano viejo]

find me a place in south europe with people who look like this?


No where in South Europe with people so. You should check your video first, TONS of brownies and deformed people in it :laugh:

Thanks to prove our point.

[vellas]

No where in South Europe with people so. You should check your video first, TONS of brownies and deformed people in it :laugh:

Thanks to prove our point.

I'm sorry man we lived in Central Europe most of our life. Ashkenaz means West Germany. Our pigmentation is same as them. South Europeans lived in deserts so you look like Arabs...

[Kamal900]

I'm sorry man we lived in Central Europe most of our life. Ashkenaz means West Germany. Our pigmentation is same as them. South Europeans lived in deserts so you look like Arabs...

Nigga what? There are no deserts in Europe.

[Cristiano viejo]

I'm sorry man we lived in Central Europe most of our life. Ashkenaz means West Germany. Our pigmentation is same as them. South Europeans lived in deserts so you look like Arabs...

hahaha

well following your logic Israelis are darker than let say Brazilians, since the first really do live in deserts :icon_lol:

[Zeno]

How come?

There have been multiple studies showing we have a higher frequency of light eyes.

[Unknown European]

There have been multiple studies showing we have a higher frequency of light eyes.

We must be looking at totally different studies

[Kamal900]

hahaha

well following your logic Israelis are darker than let say Brazilians, since the first really do live in deserts :icon_lol:

I was born and raised in the desert my whole life, and..well, I'm not a brown person or anything. That guy's a troll.
https://i.ibb.co/FBcG7qs/snapshot-2-1.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/H7bNhBL/snapshot3-1.jpg

[Mingle]

Nigga what? There are no deserts in Europe.

Yes, there are. They only make up a small portion of Europe though so not really important here, but they do exist.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B%C5%82%C4%99d%C3%B3w_Desert

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oleshky_Sands

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desertification_in_Oltenia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tabernas_Desert

[Rocinante]

maybe not hair but light eyes are definitely more common though in us

Jews from 19th century London:
English Ashkenazim: Blue 11.1 Grey 30.1 Brown 58.8.
English Sephardim: Blue 21.3 Grey 11.9 Brown 66.8.

Lighter eyes can´t be found with more frecuency in jewish people compared to greeks or any other southern european group, genetics doesn´t lie.

[mergen3]

Greeks

[Kamal900]

Yes, there are. They only make up a small portion of Europe though so not really important here, but they do exist.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B%C5%82%C4%99d%C3%B3w_Desert

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oleshky_Sands

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desertification_in_Oltenia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tabernas_Desert

Exceptions to the rule unlike the middle east where the region is mostly arid.

[Zeno]

Just to demonstrate how different we are:

Are there any Jews who look like this, like Stefanos Miltsakakis?

https://img6.bdbphotos.com/images/orig/j/7/j7fhg8mrbign7jhi.jpg?skj2io4l

https://c8.alamy.com/compfr/fhpb2w/stefanos-miltsakakis-risque-maximum-1996-fhpb2w.jpg

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/_HkMA-9UjVJmnqXhuqEXQZUYlCIa-clXcPln8vSBC5dtDWKAdx4VV0DpTcbzMed1xiX1d9pmUKCwd0C bD3zOTbO2d-1U7EPFn_7JXaDSiBTKsx3wQ6FlU6ArnBw7uEG2

Not only is he super light in pigmentation, but he has straight out Germanic features.

[Mingle]

Exceptions to the rule unlike the middle east where the region is mostly arid.

I know, that's why I said they're "not important" and "make up a small portion".

[vellas]

this study show us as being on par with hungarians, very realistic.... also lol at anyone who believe we are darker than greeks. most ashkenazi jews darkwash themselves for zionist reasons...

https://i.4pcdn.org/pol/1432149905370.png

[Benyzero]

Just to demonstrate how different we are:

Are there any Jews who look like this, like Stefanos Miltsakakis?

https://img6.bdbphotos.com/images/orig/j/7/j7fhg8mrbign7jhi.jpg?skj2io4l

https://c8.alamy.com/compfr/fhpb2w/stefanos-miltsakakis-risque-maximum-1996-fhpb2w.jpg

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/_HkMA-9UjVJmnqXhuqEXQZUYlCIa-clXcPln8vSBC5dtDWKAdx4VV0DpTcbzMed1xiX1d9pmUKCwd0C bD3zOTbO2d-1U7EPFn_7JXaDSiBTKsx3wQ6FlU6ArnBw7uEG2

Not only is he super light in pigmentation, but he has straight out Germanic features.

Always this guy lmao

[Zeno]

Always this guy lmao

This is the only example of extreme Germanic I can ever find. Not my fault, haha

[Cristiano viejo]

this study show us as being on par with hungarians, very realistic.... also lol at anyone who believe we are darker than greeks. most ashkenazi jews darkwash themselves for zionist reasons.
Where in hell do you read such thing?? :confused:

[Unknown European]

I'm sorry man we lived in Central Europe most of our life. Ashkenaz means West Germany. Our pigmentation is same as them. South Europeans lived in deserts so you look like Arabs...

Sorry dude but we are much genetically closer to Levantines then to Central Europeans

Distance to: Ashkenazi_Ukraine
0.04925585 Syrian_Jew
0.06447275 Druze
0.06451441 Lebanese_Muslim
0.06507705 Karaite_Egypt
0.06606033 Lebanese_Druze
0.06992859 Lebanese_Christian
0.07167126 Syrian
0.07916548 Palestinian_Beit_Sahour
0.10675096 Austrian
0.11069578 Hungarian
0.12547416 Czech
0.13269901 Slovakian
0.14279697 Polish
0.14433418 Sorb_Niederlausitz

Distance to: Ashkenazi_Russia
0.05050023 Syrian_Jew
0.06459743 Lebanese_Muslim
0.06483707 Druze
0.06614115 Karaite_Egypt
0.06617726 Lebanese_Druze
0.07044522 Lebanese_Christian
0.07171450 Syrian
0.07927313 Palestinian_Beit_Sahour
0.10615762 Austrian
0.11005300 Hungarian
0.12498786 Czech
0.13154217 Slovakian
0.14224167 Polish
0.14407129 Sorb_Niederlausitz

Distance to: Ashkenazi_Poland
0.04553506 Syrian_Jew
0.06084914 Druze
0.06137615 Lebanese_Muslim
0.06173178 Karaite_Egypt
0.06243892 Lebanese_Druze
0.06578475 Lebanese_Christian
0.06958151 Syrian
0.07495358 Palestinian_Beit_Sahour
0.11064898 Austrian
0.11467014 Hungarian
0.12943956 Czech
0.13659454 Slovakian
0.14673831 Polish
0.14828667 Sorb_Niederlausitz

Distance to: Ashkenazi_Lithuania
0.04688046 Syrian_Jew
0.06037815 Druze
0.06071939 Lebanese_Muslim
0.06198661 Lebanese_Druze
0.06274615 Karaite_Egypt
0.06622025 Lebanese_Christian
0.06804619 Syrian
0.07448440 Palestinian_Beit_Sahour
0.10938550 Austrian
0.11329755 Hungarian
0.12807733 Czech
0.13408789 Slovakian
0.14517195 Polish
0.14659454 Sorb_Niederlausitz

Distance to: Ashkenazi_Germany
0.03853881 Syrian_Jew
0.05280801 Druze
0.05487206 Lebanese_Druze
0.05503895 Karaite_Egypt
0.05531721 Lebanese_Muslim
0.05616132 Lebanese_Christian
0.06417836 Palestinian_Beit_Sahour
0.06559205 Syrian
0.12174536 Austrian
0.12637532 Hungarian
0.14099851 Czech
0.14722398 Slovakian
0.15848453 Polish
0.15912866 Sorb_Niederlausitz

Distance to: Ashkenazi_Belarussia
0.04914613 Syrian_Jew
0.06268011 Druze
0.06381008 Lebanese_Muslim
0.06455474 Lebanese_Druze
0.06550477 Karaite_Egypt
0.06856914 Lebanese_Christian
0.07123574 Syrian
0.07658567 Palestinian_Beit_Sahour
0.10709149 Austrian
0.11129252 Hungarian
0.12608093 Czech
0.13230103 Slovakian
0.14355972 Polish
0.14494675 Sorb_Niederlausitz

[KingOf]

This is the only example of extreme Germanic I can ever find. Not my fault, haha

He looked very Balkan to me.

https://m.media-amazon.com/images/M/MV5BNTI3YWJmNjYtYjA3ZC00ZjFiLTgyMzUtYTM4ZWNiOGRlYj k3XkEyXkFqcGdeQXVyMzg0MjU2Mjc@._V1_.jpg
https://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=651659.0;attach=77 0359;image

He superficially resembled Germanics like Brock Lesnar but he looked too rugged.

https://media.short-biography.com/wp-content/uploads/brock-lesnar/Brock-Lesnar.jpg
https://lastwordonprowrestling.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/15/2019/03/Brock-Lesnar.jpg

[Zeno]

He looked very Balkan to me.

https://m.media-amazon.com/images/M/MV5BNTI3YWJmNjYtYjA3ZC00ZjFiLTgyMzUtYTM4ZWNiOGRlYj k3XkEyXkFqcGdeQXVyMzg0MjU2Mjc@._V1_.jpg
https://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=651659.0;attach=77 0359;image

He superficially resembled Germanics like Brock Lesnar but he looked too rugged.

https://media.short-biography.com/wp-content/uploads/brock-lesnar/Brock-Lesnar.jpg
https://lastwordonprowrestling.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/15/2019/03/Brock-Lesnar.jpg

Yeah, he was a CM type, I too agree he looked more Balkan.

But his incredibly light pigmentation and angular features made him superficially look like a German or Swede even.

[Scandal]

greeks look like arabs



Imo Greeks should try to pass themselves off as Palestinians and claim they're indigeneous in Israel.

[Ujku]

greeks look like arabs

ashkenazi jews look central european

answer is very obvious...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ckVYO9oI8vc

LOL , the most virgin looking haircut.

The song is okaish but where are the women ? Its weird seeing so many men and no women around .

[Scandal]

greek vs jew fight, good stuff.
Would jews be able to handle the Greek Alpha Chad?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=0&v=cf-F_-msrzw

[CommonSense]

Ashkenazi Jews are lighter than any southern European ethnicity.

[Marlez]

Ashkenazi Jews are lighter than any southern European ethnicity.

They seem to be heavily mixed with Germans. I can see a lot of German faces in these religious Jews.

[Renekton]

Ashkenazi Jews by far :p

[Zeno]

Ashkenazi Jews are lighter than any southern European ethnicity.

https://media.tenor.com/images/6e396385f5f949e9c1dad6ff13817250/tenor.gif

[hmaohma78]

Greeks are lighter obviously.

[Jana]

I'm sorry man we lived in Central Europe most of our life. Ashkenaz means West Germany. Our pigmentation is same as them. South Europeans lived in deserts so you look like Arabs...

Your facial features are still mainly middle eastern/armenoid. But yes, lot of Hassidic Jews are pretty fair.

[ShereKhan]

Ashkenazi Jews are lighter than any southern European ethnicity.

Yeah, I agree with you, and one more thing a lot of them are simply straight-up anglo-saxon/german looking which is something you will never see in Southern Europe where the lighter individuals still look southern.

[Jana]

Just to demonstrate how different we are:

Are there any Jews who look like this, like Stefanos Miltsakakis?

https://img6.bdbphotos.com/images/orig/j/7/j7fhg8mrbign7jhi.jpg?skj2io4l

https://c8.alamy.com/compfr/fhpb2w/stefanos-miltsakakis-risque-maximum-1996-fhpb2w.jpg

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/_HkMA-9UjVJmnqXhuqEXQZUYlCIa-clXcPln8vSBC5dtDWKAdx4VV0DpTcbzMed1xiX1d9pmUKCwd0C bD3zOTbO2d-1U7EPFn_7JXaDSiBTKsx3wQ6FlU6ArnBw7uEG2

Not only is he super light in pigmentation, but he has straight out Germanic features.

Kirk Douglas

[Jana]

Yeah, I agree with you, and one more thing a lot of them are simply straight-up anglo-saxon/german looking which is something you will never see in Southern Europe where the lighter individuals still look southern.

Vast majority of light Jews look depigmented MENA. Like Zuckenberg. North Euro looking Jews exist but they are very rare.

[CommonSense]

They seem to be heavily mixed with Germans. I can see a lot of German faces in these religious Jews.

They have about 10-15% Central-Eastern European DNA, but it entered their genepool very early on and is included in the 'Ashkenazi Jewish' category on DNA tests. Ashkenazim have been living alongside Germans for over a millenia. And they were always highly disliked by the general population, so naturally they tried to blend in. Having kids who resembled Germans, Poles and others was likely seen as desirable.

[Jana]

Ashkenazis minor non-southern Euro is eastern Euro rather than northwestern, as far as I know.

[Zeno]

Kirk Douglas

Kirk Douglas doesn't even approach him.

[Jana]

Kirk Douglas doesn't even approach him.

He looks pretty white though. But yeah, I agree, Ashkenazis are heavily lightwashed on anthrofora. I have few friends in Croatia who are partly Ashkenazi and even they display armenoid like features.
They aren't dark though. But have middle eastern influence in look.

[Zeno]

Yeah, I agree with you, and one more thing a lot of them are simply straight-up anglo-saxon/german looking which is something you will never see in Southern Europe where the lighter individuals still look southern.

Ok, this is too fucking retarded.

[Jana]

BTW, I also saw tons of Jews in Budapest downtown on regular basis - and lot had red/blonde hair and blue eyes, but their faces were off, very weird for Europeans in majority of cases.
You could see they were Jews easily.

[Marlez]

BTW, I also saw tons of Jews in Budapest downtown on regular basis - and lot had red/blonde hair and blue eyes, but their faces were off, very weird for Europeans in majority of cases.
You could see they were Jews easily.

What's your estimate on their light eyes percentage?

[dududud]

BTW, I also saw tons of Jews in Budapest downtown on regular basis - and lot had red/blonde hair and blue eyes, but their faces were off, very weird for Europeans in majority of cases.
You could see they were Jews easily.

It's the same thing in France: even the light ashkenazie looks like what he are.

[Jana]

What's your estimate on their light eyes percentage?

Very common, maybe 40% (rough estimate)

[Jana]

example of full Ashkenazi Jew who looks lot whiter than most of blonde/blue eyed Jews; because he looks like west Euro male and not depigmented west Asian.
Such Jews are very rare. Longbowman also looks white European and he isn't blond/blue eyed.

https://www.gentlemansgazette.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/Harvey-Specter-with-gapping-collar.jpg

[ShereKhan]

Vast majority of light Jews look depigmented MENA. Like Zuckenberg. North Euro looking Jews exist but they are very rare.

I don't know who you're trying to fool, you picked Zuckerberg who looks inbred(which can accentuate his traits to look more non-european) and he's not depigmented cause he's not an albino or even close to it, he has an average pigmentation with brown hair and faint blue eyes,he's just really pale because he sits indoors 24/24.Yes, most jews look like the jews painted by Giovanni Gasparro in '‘The Martyrdom of St. Simon of Trento' but the rest still look 100% english or germanic, never eastern european slavic or southern european.Just look at Holywood, TV shows, models etc and you can see that a lot of jews look full-blown western european,you wouldnt even know they're jewish unless you read their biography, where as in the case of southern or eastern euros, pigmentation doesn't matter at all.

[Jana]

I don't know who you're trying to fool, you picked Zuckerberg who looks inbred(which can accentuate his traits to look more non-european) and he's not depigmented cause he's not an albino or even close to it, he has an average pigmentation with brown hair and faint blue eyes,he's just really pale because he sits indoors 24/24.Yes, most jews look like the jews painted by Giovanni Gasparro in '‘The Martyrdom of St. Simon of Trento' but the rest still look 100% english or germanic, never eastern european slavic or southern european.Just look at Holywood, TV shows, models etc and you can see that a lot of jews look full-blown western european,you wouldnt even know they're jewish unless you read their biography, where as in the case of southern or eastern euros, pigmentation doesn't matter at all.

No, Germanic/northwest Euro look is very rare among Jews lmao. Gabriel Macht who I posted looks western European and he is totally atypical Jew.
"Inbred" is exactly how I would describe Hassidic Jews I saw in Brooklyn, and they are lightest Jews, probably that light exactly because they are inbred.

https://www.google.com/search?q=hasidic+jews&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwj-0vb9gqPrAhWO6qQKHaolAGoQ_AUoAXoECBMQAw&biw=1920&bih=1005

Lol at Germanic looking xD

Armenoid/depigmented Armenoid is main type among them.

[Alenka]

I don't know who you're trying to fool, you picked Zuckerberg who looks inbred(which can accentuate his traits to look more non-european) and he's not depigmented cause he's not an albino or even close to it, he has an average pigmentation with brown hair and faint blue eyes,he's just really pale because he sits indoors 24/24.Yes, most jews look like the jews painted by Giovanni Gasparro in '‘The Martyrdom of St. Simon of Trento' but the rest still look 100% english or germanic, never eastern european slavic or southern european.Just look at Holywood, TV shows, models etc and you can see that a lot of jews look full-blown western european,you wouldnt even know they're jewish unless you read their biography, where as in the case of southern or eastern euros, pigmentation doesn't matter at all.
Hollywood is representative? Is Bollywood too?
xD
Look up Jewish family pictures in pre-WWII Central/Eastern Europe when marrying out was less common.
They seem mostly brunette, and not noticeably lighter than Greeks, if at all.

[vellas]

Hollywood is representative? Is Bollywood too?
xD
Look up Jewish family pictures in pre-WWII Central/Eastern Europe when marrying out was less common.
They seem mostly brunette, and not noticeably lighter than Greeks, if at all.

sorry sweetie but all countries south of hungary look like sawrthoid arabs next to ashkenazim. ashkenazi jews have higher light eyes than hungarians let alone serbians and greeks.

https://i.4pcdn.org/pol/1432149905370.png

[Mingle]

Vast majority of light Jews look depigmented MENA. Like Zuckenberg. North Euro looking Jews exist but they are very rare.Zuckerberg doesn't look MENA at all in his features. Looks British/Irish or something.

[Jana]

Zuckerberg doesn't look MENA at all in his features. Looks British/Irish or something.

He looks typical light Jew to me. Some British Isles types like youtube historian Indy Neidel look pseudo Jewish.

This guy is only half Ashkenazi and half Hungarian and represent typical light Jewish look: if that's Germanic/NW Euro than I rest my case...
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1d/Nemes_Jeles_L%C3%A1szl%C3%B3-portr%C3%A9.jpg/800px-Nemes_Jeles_L%C3%A1szl%C3%B3-portr%C3%A9.jpg

Also Bobby Fischer. They just look what they are, Jews.

[Dorian]

In terms of more "light pigmented" types , ashkenazis.

https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Global-frequencies-of-blue-eye-associated-haplotypes-This-figure-shows-the-distributions_fig11_51779009

https://i.postimg.cc/0xs0RM4K/Populations.png


Lighter eyes can´t be found with more frecuency in jewish people compared to greeks or any other southern european group, genetics doesn´t lie.

Genetics don't but autosomal models do with "mixed" populations ,all you need to know from it is if these traits entered the "pool" with a specific population , after that what makes the difference is level of inbreeding & selection.

[Alenka]

sorry sweetie but all countries south of hungary look like sawrthoid arabs next to ashkenazim. ashkenazi jews have higher light eyes than hungarians let alone serbians and greeks.

Simply click on google images "Jewish family Poland".
Swarthoid describes most of them quite accurately.
;)

[Mingle]

He looks typical light Jew to me. Some British Isles types like youtube historian Indy Neidel look pseudo Jewish.

This guy is only half Ashkenazi and half Hungarian and represent typical light Jewish look: if that's Germanic/NW Euro than I rest my case...
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1d/Nemes_Jeles_L%C3%A1szl%C3%B3-portr%C3%A9.jpg/800px-Nemes_Jeles_L%C3%A1szl%C3%B3-portr%C3%A9.jpg

Also Bobby Fischer. They just look what they are, Jews.

I meant between gentile European and gentile MENA, Zuckerberg's features are much more European.

I stand by Zuckerberg passing in the British Isles. I would say the same about Bobby Fischer.

https://vault.si.com/.image/ar_1:1%2Cc_fill%2Ccs_srgb%2Cfl_progressive%2Cq_aut o:good%2Cw_1200/MTY5MTE2ODk3MzQ5MjE1NTIx/bobby-fischer-vaultjpg.jpg

[Scandal]

I don't know who you're trying to fool, you picked Zuckerberg who looks inbred(which can accentuate his traits to look more non-european) and he's not depigmented cause he's not an albino or even close to it, he has an average pigmentation with brown hair and faint blue eyes,he's just really pale because he sits indoors 24/24.Yes, most jews look like the jews painted by Giovanni Gasparro in '‘The Martyrdom of St. Simon of Trento' but the rest still look 100% english or germanic, never eastern european slavic or southern european.Just look at Holywood, TV shows, models etc and you can see that a lot of jews look full-blown western european,you wouldnt even know they're jewish unless you read their biography, where as in the case of southern or eastern euros, pigmentation doesn't matter at all.

A lot of those "Hollywood Jews" are mixed with USA whites from my experience.

[Jana]

I meant between gentile European and gentile MENA, Zuckerberg's features are much more European.

Yeah, I think to MENA natives they look white European while to us they look MENA. Fits with their genetics which falls between southern Europe and Levant.

[kundur]

According to data available on the internet, Israel's ethnic Jewish population is reportedly:
51% Sepharadic (North Africa, Balkan, Levant, Spain etc).
2% Falasha Ethiopians
37% Ashkenazi
10% Soviet Jews, many identifying as Ashkenazi

1/5 of Israel's population are various types of Arabs and Druzes.


Israel's whiteness is thus overrated. Most Jews are curly haired "sandnigga" as Central European Nutzies would refer to them.
Argentine or Chile are whiter than Israel as they had German and Irish folk settling there.

On the other hand it is true that many Greeks pass as Arabs.
I was surprised when I first saw Greece's PM Mitsotakis.
If you told that he was PM of Egypt, people would believe.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9v7IMh0JFHw

[ShereKhan]

No, Germanic/northwest Euro look is very rare among Jews lmao. Gabriel Macht who I posted looks western European and he is totally atypical Jew.
"Inbred" is exactly how I would describe Hassidic Jews I saw in Brooklyn, and they are lightest Jews, probably that light exactly because they are inbred.

https://www.google.com/search?q=hasidic+jews&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwj-0vb9gqPrAhWO6qQKHaolAGoQ_AUoAXoECBMQAw&biw=1920&bih=1005

Lol at Germanic looking xD

Armenoid/depigmented Armenoid is main type among them.

It is the second time I say that the vast majority of jews look 'armenoid' YET they still have a lot of anglo or german looking individuals and if you really want examples think Michael Bolton, Jesse Eisenberg , Jason Isaacs, Zac Efron,Liev Schreiber, Adam Levine, etc or from Romania an example ilan Laufer.It seems that you are not wasting even a minimum amount of time to comprehend my messages.Jews are genetically like southern italians because they have gathered a lot of western european dna ,which shows in their look sometimes,else they would be genetically like levantines, from southern italians to semites it's a long way.

[Mingle]

Bobby Fischer looks Pan-NW Euro:

https://vault.si.com/.image/ar_1:1%2Cc_fill%2Ccs_srgb%2Cfl_progressive%2Cq_aut o:good%2Cw_1200/MTY5MTE2ODk3MzQ5MjE1NTIx/bobby-fischer-vaultjpg.jpg

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/1024/media/images/53842000/jpg/_53842666_montage_464.jpg

[ShereKhan]

Also Bobby Fischer. They just look what they are, Jews.

If you were visiting the streets somewhere in USA or UK and saw the man in this picture you would never guess him as jewish, you're just biased.

http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/1024/media/images/53842000/jpg/_53842666_montage_464.jpg

[Immanenz]

Bobby Fischer looks Pan-NW ]

Not at all, but could pass as Russian

[Jana]

If you were visiting the streets somewhere in USA or UK and saw the man in this picture you would never guess him as jewish, you're just biased.

http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/1024/media/images/53842000/jpg/_53842666_montage_464.jpg

Yes I would, especially in middle pic (when he was young). He has typical Jewish face, similar to user Louisianaboy here, who is also light Jew.

[Deusex99]

I've voted Greeks by mistake. Ashkenazim are French tier in term of pigmentation but their facial features are more alien to Europe than Greeks.

[Zeno]

You're all fucking retarded here.

[Jana]

Bobby Fisher was Armenoid with relatively light pigmentation

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/0c/ef/53/0cef530c87f906329d6cb0b3a9d9e314.jpg
https://hunonchess.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/fischer27a-1-web.jpg

Looks depigmented Syrian.

[Immanenz]

Bobby Fisher looks like a lighter Pontid / North Pontid imo

[ShereKhan]

A lot of those "Hollywood Jews" are mixed with USA whites from my experience.

Most holywood jews aren't mixed at all.I can post sportsmen, scientists, models or casuals too, the examples with actors just came in handy.

[Jana]

I find Bobby Fischer very attractive when he was young man BTW. No bias.

[Zeno]

According to data available on the internet, Israel's ethnic Jewish population is reportedly:
51% Sepharadic (North Africa, Balkan, Levant, Spain etc).
2% Falasha Ethiopians
37% Ashkenazi
10% Soviet Jews, many identifying as Ashkenazi

1/5 of Israel's population are various types of Arabs and Druzes.


Israel's whiteness is thus overrated. Most Jews are curly haired "sandnigga" as Central European Nutzies would refer to them.
Argentine or Chile are whiter than Israel as they had German and Irish folk settling there.

On the other hand it is true that many Greeks pass as Arabs.
I was surprised when I first saw Greece's PM Mitsotakis.
If you told that he was PM of Egypt, people would believe.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9v7IMh0JFHw

Ofc you would spew bs from the sewage you call a mouth.

[ShereKhan]

Yes I would, especially in middle pic (when he was young). He has typical Jewish face, similar to user Louisianaboy here, who is also light Jew.

HAHAHAHAHAAHHAAHHAAHHAHAAHHAHA

No you wouldn't, stop fooling yourself and go to sleep or else find me a similar armenian or middle eastern person.

[FinalFlash]

this study show us as being on par with hungarians, very realistic.... also lol at anyone who believe we are darker than greeks. most ashkenazi jews darkwash themselves for zionist reasons...

https://i.4pcdn.org/pol/1432149905370.png

How many troll accounts are you going to create before you finally give in?

[Alenka]

Most holywood jews aren't mixed at all.I can post sportsmen, scientists, models or casuals too, the examples with actors just came in handy.
Why focus on individals, when there's plenty of old family photos, as I've mentioned?
Oh right, too pigmented and extic to make your point.
:laugh:

[Jana]

HAHAHAHAHAAHHAAHHAAHHAHAAHHAHA

No you wouldn't, stop fooling yourself and go to sleep or else find me a similar armenian or middle eastern person.

Maybe he looks Germanic to you since by anthro studies Ashkenazi Jews in Romania were lighter than ethnic Romanians. However he looks Jewish to me.
Don't try to tell me what I would think and peddal back from here.

[Dorian]

I was surprised when I first saw Greece's PM Mitsotakis.
If you told that he was PM of Egypt, people would believe.

Bad move ,he's Anatol-id /Armenoid ,do these ring a bell?no?
http://www.the-savoisien.com/blog/public/img8/Coon_Carleton_Stevens_The_Races_of_Europe.jpg
http://humanphenotypes.net/Anatolid.html

For every Mitsotakis in Greece ,there are 100 there..you just called millions of your compatriots arab.

[ShereKhan]

Maybe he looks Germanic to you since by anthro studies Ashkenazi Jews in Romania were lighter than ethnic Romanians. However he looks Jewish to me.
Don't try to tell me what I would think and peddal back from here.

Post middle easterners or armenians in groups who looks like Fischer.I'm waiting.

[Renekton]

^^Exactly

I agree with Dorian

[FinalFlash]

Your facial features are still mainly middle eastern/armenoid. But yes, lot of Hassidic Jews are pretty fair.

Their facials features aren't Armenoid at all. Unless, your definition of an Armenoid differs from my own.

[Jana]

Post middle easterners or armenians in groups who looks like Fischer.I'm waiting.

Post Germans in groups who look like him. I'm waiting xD

[ShereKhan]

Why focus on individals, when there's plenty of old family photos, as I've mentioned?
Oh right, too pigmented and extic to make your point.
:laugh:

What's your point?Jews are pigmented and exotic on average, yet it's not rare at all to see western european looking jews even among the eastern european jews which is odd for example Jesse Eisenberg whose jewish parents are from eastern europe yet he looks 100% western european and nothing semitic or eastern european.

[ShereKhan]

Post Germans in groups who look like him. I'm waiting xD

The burden of proof is on you, you gave FIscher as an example of armenoid

[Jana]

Their facials features aren't Armenoid at all. Unless, your definition of an Armenoid differs from my own.

Yes they are. Ashkneazi Jews are racially more Armenoid than Jews native to Israel btw. Native Israeli/middle eastern Jews are more East Med/Arabid with doli heads.
Ashkenazi are more brachycephalic and many look textbook armenoid regardless of their coloring.

[FinalFlash]

Yes they are. Ashkneazi Jews are racially more Armenoid than Jews native to Israel btw. Native Israeli/middle eastern Jews are more East Med/Arabid with doli heads.
Ashkenazi are more brachycephalic and many look textbook armenoid regardless of their coloring.

They don't look Armenoid for the most part. Some may have Armenoid tendencies but they aren't pure Armenoids whatsoever. If anything they are more Syrid(fatter lips and rounder noses) than pure Armenids as well as some local European influences. You want to know why they don't look Armenoid? Because they do not resemble Caucasians and some non-turkic Turks in the slightest.

[Alenka]

Their facials features aren't Armenoid at all. Unless, your definition of an Armenoid differs from my own.
How would you classify these families? Main phenotypes?
https://www.google.com/search?q=Jewish+family+Poland&hl=sl&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwixyY_Ji6PrAhVKr4sKHbv3A8QQ_AUoAXoECAsQA w&biw=1366&bih=657

[Jana]

They don't look Armenoid for the most part. Some may have Armenoid tendencies but they aren't pure Armenoids whatsoever. If anything they are more Syrid(fatter lips and rounder noses) than pure Armenids as well as some local European influences. You want to know why they don't look Armenoid? Because they do not resemble Caucasians and some non-turkic Turks in the slightest.

Isn't Syrid same thing as Armenoid? I'm not sure Armenoid type peaks in Armenia. Average Armenians don't look Jewish to me.

[FinalFlash]

How would you classify these families? Main phenotypes?
https://www.google.com/search?q=Jewish+family+Poland&hl=sl&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwixyY_Ji6PrAhVKr4sKHbv3A8QQ_AUoAXoECAsQA w&biw=1366&bih=657

Very mixed phenotypes. I see local European and some Syrid influences. Often times a hybrid of phenotypes that gives them their peculiar look that stands out in Europe and West Asia included.

[Voskos]

Hello my friend how are you?

+1

[FinalFlash]

Isn't Syrid same thing as Armenoid? I'm not sure Armenoid type peaks in Armenia. Average Armenians don't look Jewish to me.

Well, whoever labeled it as "Armenoid" and had Levantines in mind is a complete and utter moron. Syrid is a blend of Armenid and Arabid. Basically, describes Levantines and even a few Assyrians as well.

[Jana]

Well, whoever labeled it as "Armenoid" and had Levantines in mind is a complete and utter moron. Syrid is a blend of Armenid and Arabid. Basically, describes Levantines and even a few Assyrians as well.

Thanks for clarification.

[KrashNick]

Kirk Douglas doesn't even approach him.

He looks a bit like this KLA fighter from Kosovo

https://i.ibb.co/5Ls53Bs/adsa.jpg

[Serbian Eagle]

What a silly thread, again those Jews tried to present them as White. Neither the first nor the last time they do such a thing.

[Smeagol]

Bobby Fisher was Armenoid with relatively light pigmentation

Lol, Bobby Fischer is not Armenoid at all. Look at a profile pic of him and then compare it with actual Armenoid examples.

Fischer is Nordic with a minor Orientalid strain.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c3/Bundesarchiv_Bild_183-76052-0335%2C_Schacholympiade%2C_Tal_%28UdSSR%29_gegen_F ischer_%28USA%29_Crop.jpg

Real Armenoids
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/37/Portrait_of_an_Armenian_man.jpg
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6e/Armenian_man.png

[Unknown European]

If you were visiting the streets somewhere in USA or UK and saw the man in this picture you would never guess him as jewish, you're just biased.

http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/1024/media/images/53842000/jpg/_53842666_montage_464.jpg

Bobby Fisher is half Jewish from Poland his father is ethnic German. I am Ashkenazi from the United States and have met and seen many many Jews and I dont think he would stand out as an Ashkenazi

[Smeagol]

Bobby Fisher is half Jewish from Poland his father is ethnic German

Officially, but his real father was almost certainly Hungarian-Jewish mathematician, Paul Nemenyi.

[Ruggery]

Just to demonstrate how different we are:

Are there any Jews who look like this, like Stefanos Miltsakakis?

https://img6.bdbphotos.com/images/orig/j/7/j7fhg8mrbign7jhi.jpg?skj2io4l

https://c8.alamy.com/compfr/fhpb2w/stefanos-miltsakakis-risque-maximum-1996-fhpb2w.jpg

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/_HkMA-9UjVJmnqXhuqEXQZUYlCIa-clXcPln8vSBC5dtDWKAdx4VV0DpTcbzMed1xiX1d9pmUKCwd0C bD3zOTbO2d-1U7EPFn_7JXaDSiBTKsx3wQ6FlU6ArnBw7uEG2

Not only is he super light in pigmentation, but he has straight out Germanic features.

He look Krauf

[Arsen_]

why is everyone on this forum like obsessed with how light/dark greeks are

Don't kid yourself, Greeks themselves are obsessed with "how light/dark greeks are" and actually Greeks themselves provoke the creation of such threads because they react badly to this as if it were very important.

If Greeks didn’t give a damn about all that shit, then no one would have talked about it and no one had ever raised such questions. :)

[stellan]

Don't kid yourself, Greeks themselves are obsessed with "how light/dark greeks are" and actually Greeks themselves provoke the creation of such threads because they react badly to this as if it were very important.

If Greeks didn’t give a damn about all that shit, then no one would have talked about it and no one had ever raised such questions. :)

true but speaking as a greek it's annoying when people try to make greeks seem more mena that we actually are, not that there's anything wrong with looking mena but it's just inaccurate

[Mingle]

Don't kid yourself, Greeks themselves are obsessed with "how light/dark greeks are" and actually Greeks themselves provoke the creation of such threads because they react badly to this as if it were very important.

If Greeks didn’t give a damn about all that shit, then no one would have talked about it and no one had ever raised such questions. :)

I don't agree. Greeks are among the nationalities that care the least about light-washing their ethnicity. There's maybe one or two exceptions, but I don't notice this behavior from Greeks on TA.

The OP has been opening threads of this nature since he joined. So I don't think he was provoked by Greeks. He's either a troll or just interested in comparing the lightness of some ethnic groups.

[Luso]

why is everyone on this forum like obsessed with how light/dark greeks are

This ^ and it isn't only an obsession with Greeks.

believe it or not, a lot of people here think light = good, civilized, and "ubermensch", while dark = bad, uncivilized, and ugly. Idk what the point of these threads are beyond the intention of starting a flame war.

[happycow]

Lol....

[Gondor]

Don't kid yourself, Greeks themselves are obsessed with "how light/dark greeks are" and actually Greeks themselves provoke the creation of such threads because they react badly to this as if it were very important.

If Greeks didn’t give a damn about all that shit, then no one would have talked about it and no one had ever raised such questions. :)

Are you talking about the Greeks in this forum, or the Greeks IRL, in one case the statement is clearly not true.

[Luso]

Don't kid yourself, Greeks themselves are obsessed with "how light/dark greeks are" and actually Greeks themselves provoke the creation of such threads because they react badly to this as if it were very important.

If Greeks didn’t give a damn about all that shit, then no one would have talked about it and no one had ever raised such questions. :)

Yeah, that is a good point that I forgot to make clear... which is the reason these threads and flame wars start is b/c those members get offended and hate the idea of being anything but light, germanic or something? So it is a double-edged sword. On one hand, these threads shouldn't get this negative attention and should just be seen as banter/ignored, banned whatever, but on the other, these threads become serious b/c people have their malefactor/antagonizing agendas and they provoke the mess from the start.

[Arsen_]

true but speaking as a greek it's annoying when people try to make greeks seem more mena that we actually are, not that there's anything wrong with looking mena but it's just inaccurate

Sure it may be inaccurate but if you show how much you do care about it and how much it is important for you and how painfully sensitive you are about it then do not be surprised that someone will use it all against you. :)

[stellan]

Sure it may be inaccurate but if you show how much you do care about it and how much it is important for you and how painfully sensitive you are about it then do not be surprised that someone will use it all against you. :)

yes ik which is why i don't interact with these threads lol but there are some greek members who let it get to them for some reason

[Luso]

yes ik which is why i don't interact with these threads lol but there are some greek members who let it get to them for some reason

I have half Greek and half Portuguese cousins and I will say they would not give a single flying sh** about how people portray them. They know very well what they are-- Southern Europeans all the way from Western Portugal to more Eastern Greece- that is all that matters to "normal" people. But I'm sure you've realized already... forums like these attract some weird complexed people, I noticed them fast from my little time on here.

[Annihilus]

Just to demonstrate how different we are:

Are there any Jews who look like this, like Stefanos Miltsakakis?

https://img6.bdbphotos.com/images/orig/j/7/j7fhg8mrbign7jhi.jpg?skj2io4l

https://c8.alamy.com/compfr/fhpb2w/stefanos-miltsakakis-risque-maximum-1996-fhpb2w.jpg

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/_HkMA-9UjVJmnqXhuqEXQZUYlCIa-clXcPln8vSBC5dtDWKAdx4VV0DpTcbzMed1xiX1d9pmUKCwd0C bD3zOTbO2d-1U7EPFn_7JXaDSiBTKsx3wQ6FlU6ArnBw7uEG2

Not only is he super light in pigmentation, but he has straight out Germanic features.

Here is a photo of his grandfather with his mates

https://i2.wp.com/www.pappaspost.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/German-troops-raising-the-swastika-over-the-Acropolis-1941-1.jpg

[Tannhauser]

Axel Kicilof, Governor of Buenos Aires Province.

https://thumbs.vodgc.net/3-245-OIXXI4CWO-6Cavr81597601615410.jpg?082468

Héctor Timerman, former Chancellor (foreign office).

http://static.treslineas.com.ar/foto/pers_Hector_Timerman020812698900.jpg

Alberto Nisman, National Prosecutor.

https://cnnespanol.cnn.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/200117222058-longo-nisman-1-full-169.jpg?quality=100&strip=info&w=414&h=311&crop=1

Diego Sehinkman Psychologist and Journalist.

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1252802667748810753/mdigdOBY_400x400.jpg

Sebastian Weinreich, Comedian/Humorist.

https://images.clarin.com/2020/05/18/sebastian-wainraich-esta-disfrutando-del___Jr0MV8Oyq_340x340__1.jpg

Eduardo Elsztain, Real State and Banking.

https://agendamalvinas.com.ar/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/DGZTKQDFARBFTO3RKD4SNSKODA.jpg

Guido Kaczka, TV host.

https://px.cdn.lanueva.com/102014/1511539111519.jpg

[ModernMaskil]

greeks look like arabs

ashkenazi jews look central european

answer is very obvious...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ckVYO9oI8vc

Fuck off, sockpuppet.

[ModernMaskil]

In terms of mere pigmentation, almost certainly Ashkenazim. But the lot of you give far too much importance to pigmentation in the first place.

[Vojnik]

Depends. Some of them that are from England, can even have re heir and look Scottish.

[Zeno]

yes ik which is why i don't interact with these threads lol but there are some greek members who let it get to them for some reason

You're talking about me here, don't you?

[stellan]

You're talking about me here, don't you?

i actually wasn't

[Tannhauser]

In terms of mere pigmentation, almost certainly Ashkenazim. But the lot of you give far too much importance to pigmentation in the first place.

indeed.

[Uguer172i]

Light jew = depigmented armenoid / middle eastern with some european features.
Greeks are more white in the real sense of the term.

[Zeno]

maybe not hair but light eyes are definitely more common though in us

Jews from 19th century London:
English Ashkenazim: Blue 11.1 Grey 30.1 Brown 58.8.
English Sephardim: Blue 21.3 Grey 11.9 Brown 66.8.

Forgot to cite a study yesterday.

From Laconia. 42% light eyes, from 1-8 of the Martin Schultz scale:

https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-3cEApKGvxVs/WLNrIvPHJdI/AAAAAAAAG90/Wmjy6aF8ymADmMF9A9Yu47sndOH5eEKhACLcB/s1600/lakonien%2Baugen.jpg

19% is 1-4 and the other 23% is 1-8%.

From Crete by Poulianos, according to the Bunak scale

The Bunak scale is like this:

https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-LbAOq16ZuQs/XAv-7sPYAlI/AAAAAAAAKQA/fhc0ltoToKAvSVurmPydp4zqGjHubik1wCLcBGAs/s1600/bunak%2Beye%2Bscale.jpg

The upper row are dark eyes, the medium row "mixed" eyes (mostly mixes of blue, green and gray) and the lower row is light eyes, that are exclusively shades of blue.

Anyways, the percentages for Crete are 43% brown eyes, 50% intermediate eyes and 7% blue eyes.

For Greeks in general from a sample of 12,404 individuals:

Men:
1-4 (dark eyes): 49,29%
5-8 (mixed eyes, mixes between blue, green and gray): 45,32%
9-12 (light eyes, shades of blue): 5,58%

Women:
1-4 (dark eyes): 59,47%
5-8 (mixed eyes): 38,94%
9-12 (light eyes): 2,89%

[catgeorge]

Kiss my Greek ass

https://i.pinimg.com/564x/34/b0/36/34b03665ad5ff141e9fc94a5c6ca372d.jpg

[Tannhauser]

Martin Liberman, Journalist, TV Host. Brown eyed.

https://elbocon.pe/resizer/eeCYgn2yJoStGNvo6oawRU2flzs=/980x528/smart/arc-anglerfish-arc2-prod-elcomercio.s3.amazonaws.com/public/6LSHFBHERFHLDFYPAI3NAJQPOE.jpg

[Smeagol]

Light jew = depigmented armenoid / middle eastern with some european features.

There are plenty who don't look like that.

[Jana]

Lol, Bobby Fischer is not Armenoid at all. Look at a profile pic of him and then compare it with actual Armenoid examples.

Fischer is Nordic with a minor Orientalid strain.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c3/Bundesarchiv_Bild_183-76052-0335%2C_Schacholympiade%2C_Tal_%28UdSSR%29_gegen_F ischer_%28USA%29_Crop.jpg

Real Armenoids
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/37/Portrait_of_an_Armenian_man.jpg
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6e/Armenian_man.png

I think I classified him as Nordo-Armenoid in the past anyway.
He looks totally Jewish however (eyes, lips etc, visible in photos of him I posted)

Also these extreme armenoid examples aren't the best. Vast majority of Jews don't look like that and still fit armenoid classification.
Real life armenoids aren't monsters from nazi propaganda posters, just normal west asian/levantine looking people.

[Roy]

There are plenty who don't look like that.

Yes, but someone like Zuckerberg is common.

[Melki]

I've already see plenty of light-haired and pale-skinned Ashkenazis, but never a single Greek.

Greeks are the darkest Europeans together with the Maltese.

[Zeno]

I've already see plenty of light-haired and pale-skinned Ashkenazis, but never a single Greek.

Greeks are the darkest Europeans together with the Maltese.

You're blind then. And no, we're not the darkest.

[Epirus DNA]

The Jews are lighter. They have shit cuisine and don't know how to eat. We Greeks are heavier. We have quality food and girth.

:cool:

[ModernMaskil]

The Jews are lighter. They have shit cuisine and don't know how to eat. We Greeks are heavier. We have quality food and girth.

:cool:

I have plenty of girth.

[stellan]

I've already see plenty of light-haired and pale-skinned Ashkenazis, but never a single Greek.

Greeks are the darkest Europeans together with the Maltese.

what greeks have you seen then..

[Abdelnour]

I dunno, there is overlap between Israeli and Greek cuisines, like Hummus and Kebab/Souvlaki.

[Zeno]

The Jews are lighter. They have shit cuisine and don't know how to eat. We Greeks are heavier. We have quality food and girth.

:cool:


I have plenty of girth.

Both of you pale in front of me :)

[Zeno]

I dunno, there is overlap between Israeli and Greek cuisines, like Hummus and Kebab/Souvlaki.

With hummus, not that much, and I wouldn't say there's overlap between a dish that's lamb and it's served in sandwich form and a dish which is pork and is served in wrap style :)

[Epirus DNA]

I dunno, there is overlap between Israeli and Greek cuisines, like Hummus and Kebab/Souvlaki.

That is Greek cuisine. The Jews inherited many Hellenic dishes when Megas Alexandros conquered them. Plus, Greek spices just taste better. The real Israeli food is Matzah balls and Shakshuka.

[Epirus DNA]

Both of you pale in front of me :)

You are very pale. Like a German.

[Ülev]

Komids

[Samnium]

Actually, they cluster with Sicilians the closest, so..yeah, you can say that they have both west asiatic and southern European features. Kinda missed Sikeliot.

They are different to Sicilians genetically, they cluster usually more Eastern/Southern, that's why Sicilians look more W.Euro than them.

[Rgvgjhvv]

Just to demonstrate how different we are:

Are there any Jews who look like this, like Stefanos Miltsakakis?

https://img6.bdbphotos.com/images/orig/j/7/j7fhg8mrbign7jhi.jpg?skj2io4l

https://c8.alamy.com/compfr/fhpb2w/stefanos-miltsakakis-risque-maximum-1996-fhpb2w.jpg

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/_HkMA-9UjVJmnqXhuqEXQZUYlCIa-clXcPln8vSBC5dtDWKAdx4VV0DpTcbzMed1xiX1d9pmUKCwd0C bD3zOTbO2d-1U7EPFn_7JXaDSiBTKsx3wQ6FlU6ArnBw7uEG2

Not only is he super light in pigmentation, but he has straight out Germanic features.

Bro wtf is wrong with you? Change your name to Hans Scwarzhennordiklinger or something. Why do you give a shit if Greeks are darker than Jews or not? Tf...Why the hell do you even bother with this conversation? You're acting like they're asking Greeks or Yoruba - who's lighter? There's so many light Jews. It's really normal. Yet you post this fucking one-off Greek to prove what? I don't understand.

I don't understand how your brain works it's upsetting.

[Rgvgjhvv]

zeno himself with stellan have you seen their photos? they look mexican or latin american.

No they don't, shut up.

[stellan]

you look mena yourself or mexican, pure self-hatred jesus christ.

omg im not gonna argue with you or anyone

[Zeno]

zeno himself with stellan have you seen their photos? they look mexican or latin american. pure self-hatred man, but cute at same time. i'm blonde/blue eyed myself and i find dark mexican looking people like them cute when they adore light features.

Shut up, чурка. No, I'm not self-hating. Because I still acknowledge that Greeks are by majority Med. Plus, are you that banned fucking retard called Bakha?


Bro wtf is wrong with you? Change your name to Hans Scwarzhennordiklinger or something. Why do you give a shit if Greeks are darker than Jews or not? Tf...Why the hell do you even bother with this conversation? You're acting like they're asking Greeks or Yoruba - who's lighter? There's so many light Jews. It's really normal. Yet you post this fucking one-off Greek to prove what? I don't understand.

I don't understand how your brain works it's upsetting.

Dude relax, I just posted this one example of how Jews cannot be lighter. Just this one example. Why do you get on a rant? Plus, there's light Greeks also. Your point?

[Peloponnesian pride]

zeno himself with stellan have you seen their photos? they look mexican or latin american. pure self-hatred man, but cute at same time. i'm blonde/blue eyed myself and i find dark mexican looking people like them cute when they adore light features.

Clown fiesta

https://media.giphy.com/media/xxLszVeawO8zS/giphy.gif

[Peloponnesian pride]

Who gives a fuck about light features? We are the most handsome,and manly,with the sweetest cocks,and this is why your women like us,when the come to greece for vacation. :p

[Ghost Dance]

From pictures alone I'd say Jews are lighter but I haven't met any Greek in my life to support my claim

I have seen Jews in California and they are pretty pale and most have reddish or dirty blonde hair

[Peloponnesian pride]

From pictures alone I'd say Jews are lighter but I haven't met any Greek in my life to support my claim

I have seen Jews in California and they are pretty pale and most have reddish or dirty blonde hair

How can a jew have blonde hair?
Aren't they like this?
https://www.pngwave.com/png-clip-art-dzvti

[Östsvensk]

According to Coon's data and claim, Jews were lighter than some Southern Europeans like Romanians. I don't know if Greeks are lighter than Romanians, though.


A third consideration, that of pigmentation, is found to agree in principle with stature and with head form; the Jews are mainly brunet, with about 55 per cent of dark hair and eye color combinations, and less than 10 per cent which can be construed as blond. In countries where the Gentiles are predominantly blond, or more blond than brunet, the Jews are relatively dark; in countries such as Rumania where the Gentiles are prevailingly brunet, the Jews are blonder than the Gentiles. The Jews have, therefore, struck a pigment balance which is as constant as their balance in head form.

- The Races of Europe, ch: The brachycephalized Jews: Asia and Central Europs.

[Cristiano viejo]

According to Coon's data and claim, Jews were lighter than some Southern Europeans like Romanians. I don't know if Greeks are lighter than Romanians, though.


A third consideration, that of pigmentation, is found to agree in principle with stature and with head form; the Jews are mainly brunet, with about 55 per cent of dark hair and eye color combinations, and less than 10 per cent which can be construed as blond. In countries where the Gentiles are predominantly blond, or more blond than brunet, the Jews are relatively dark; in countries such as Rumania where the Gentiles are prevailingly brunet, the Jews are blonder than the Gentiles. The Jews have, therefore, struck a pigment balance which is as constant as their balance in head form.

- The Races of Europe, ch: The brachycephalized Jews: Asia and Central Europs.

Not sure if Carleton Cunt visited Romania and saw its Jews since he spoke a lot about countries where he never put a foot, like Spain. I did and I saw Orthodox Jews walking by the historic centre of Brasov. No way they were blonde, they were like the typical Orthodox Jews

https://imagenes.20minutos.es/files/image_656_370/uploads/imagenes/2016/04/22/271190.jpg

[Östsvensk]

Not sure if Carleton Cunt visited Romania and saw its Jews since he spoke a lot about countries where he never put a foot, like Spain. I did and I saw Orthodox Jews walking by the historic centre of Brasov. No way they were blonde, they were like the typical Orthodox Jews

https://imagenes.20minutos.es/files/image_656_370/uploads/imagenes/2016/04/22/271190.jpg

Well, the majority of the Ashkenazim are dark, which I believe Coon said, but some have lighter features like Michael Rapaport. Still, I am in no way saying that they look indistinguishable from Dutch people.

Annika Hernroth-Rothstein, Jewess from Sweden, has blue eyes:

https://media.apnarm.net.au/media/images/2019/12/11/v3imagesbinced3af62e1d966c7c5dd1d32e3c407bd-6fnrx6rvztzrzm8wgt2_t1880.jpg

[vellas]

Well, the majority of the Ashkenazim are dark, which I believe Coon said, but some have lighter features like Michael Rapaport. Still, I am in no way saying that they look indistinguishable from Dutch people.

Annika Hernroth-Rothstein, Jewess from Sweden, has blue eyes:

https://media.apnarm.net.au/media/images/2019/12/11/v3imagesbinced3af62e1d966c7c5dd1d32e3c407bd-6fnrx6rvztzrzm8wgt2_t1880.jpg

I'm Russian Jew and probably lightest person in this forum. Spaniards are insecure because they look like Arabs compared to Ashkenazim.

[Zeno]

I'm Russian Jew and probably lightest person in this forum. Spaniards are insecure because they look like Arabs compared to Ashkenazim.

No, you're like this.

https://i.cbc.ca/1.2561962.1394087566!/cpImage/httpImage/jewish-sect-children-20140203.jpg

[vellas]

No, you're like this.

[Zeno]

You're not even the lightest in the forum by any chance.

[Jana]

You don't look Jewish so I don't see the point to present yourself as representative for Ashkenazi. Every ethnic group has atypical people.

[Cristiano viejo]

I'm Russian Jew and probably lightest person in this forum. Spaniards are insecure because they look like Arabs compared to Ashkenazim.

Not sure if I have smiled more with your first sentence or with the second :laugh:

[Rocinante]

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachme?attachmentid=89360&d=1563103560

I might be light skinned my pred. ancestry is iberian.

[Hoihey]

Ashkenazis are lighter than Albanians, Serbs, Romanians, Bulgarians, Bosnians and Croatians. They should naturally be lighter than Greeks.

[Hoihey]

Here are a bunch of Jews in New York. Some of them are Hasidic, some Lithuanian, and some just normal Orthodox. I wouldn’t in a million years think these folks are swarthy arabs.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ExMkPeIghE

[XenophobicPrussian]

Ashkenazis are lighter than Albanians, Serbs, Romanians, Bulgarians, Bosnians and Croatians. They should naturally be lighter than Greeks.
American Ashkenazis aren't lighter than Croats or Bosnians, ToeKneeHwin had numbers on them. They were tied with Romanians at 8% blonde(Croats 14%) but given it's highly unlikely he could've only counted pure Ashkenazi Jews(especially in the US) and there were also likely a few Romanians with foreign ancestry, Romanians probably beat them out too if you account for them, but only by a little.

The rest, yeah, he did have them lighter eyed than Croats slightly though but they're definitely not lighter haired. Obviously very few Greeks(less than 1-2%) look like this Manhattan Jew, Michael Rapaport:

https://www.thewrap.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/Michael-Rapaport.jpg

or this Rabbi:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xt6MmzRRYk0

but like I said, a lot of half Jews are usually counted as Jews, such as actress Jane Levy, from LA who has a Jewish father but English/Scots mother and looks fully NW Euro. A study would have to be done on Israeli Ashkenazis to know forsure.

[Ahana]

It's obvious that Ashkenazi look more central european than Greeks

" Ashkenazi, plural Ashkenazim, from Hebrew Ashkenaz (“Germany”) "

they are mixed with Nordics

[MINARDOWICZ]

maybe not hair but light eyes are definitely more common though in us

Jews from 19th century London:
English Ashkenazim: Blue 11.1 Grey 30.1 Brown 58.8.
English Sephardim: Blue 21.3 Grey 11.9 Brown 66.8.


It's obvious that Ashkenazi look more central european than Greeks

" Ashkenazi, plural Ashkenazim, from Hebrew Ashkenaz (“Germany”) "

they are mixed with Nordics
They have very little N Euro DNA. This thread is stupid and full of cherry-picking. Ashkenazi are W Asian, SW Asian, and S European mostly. N Euro influence is about equal with Greeks... Look into it.

[Hoihey]

They have very little N Euro DNA. This thread is stupid and full of cherry-picking. Ashkenazi are W Asian, SW Asian, and S European mostly. N Euro influence is about equal with Greeks... Look into it.

At the end of the day, we are talking about their pigmentation, NOT their ancestry composition. Sure, you’d expect a population that is around half near eastern to be darker than Southern Europeans, but that’s not always the case, genetic drift and a founder effect took place in the Jewish community, which I believe caused them to become markedly lighter than present day near easterners (that or the near easterners who arrived in Europe thousands of years ago were already lighter to begin with)

I like this video as it does a good job in showcasing Ashkenazi pigmentation. None of these guys were recently mixed and they are coming in a single file line towards the camera, making it easier for us to gauge the pigmentation of Ashkenazi jews. Sure the lighting is a washed out but nothings perfect


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omxRShmj72A

[XenophobicPrussian]

They have very little N Euro DNA. This thread is stupid and full of cherry-picking. Ashkenazi are W Asian, SW Asian, and S European mostly. N Euro influence is about equal with Greeks... Look into it.
They don't have equal N. Euro influence as Greeks, they have far less, and are more southern/MENA shifted than Greeks. Basically what Hoihey said, ancestry doesn't correlate with pigmentation in every case, i.e South Germans vs Irish.

Also remember Ashkenazi Jews over the last 1k years, have been a very "indoor race", comparatively, add onto that they've mostly been in a N. European climate. Meanwhile, the vast majority of Greeks have been farming in the Mediterranean sun.

[Faklon]

Here are a bunch of Jews in New York. Some of them are Hasidic, some Lithuanian, and some just normal Orthodox. I wouldn’t in a million years think these folks are swarthy arabs.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ExMkPeIghE


At the end of the day, we are talking about their pigmentation, NOT their ancestry composition. Sure, you’d expect a population that is around half near eastern to be darker than Southern Europeans, but that’s not always the case, genetic drift and a founder effect took place in the Jewish community, which I believe caused them to become markedly lighter than present day near easterners (that or the near easterners who arrived in Europe thousands of years ago were already lighter to begin with)

I like this video as it does a good job in showcasing Ashkenazi pigmentation. None of these guys were recently mixed and they are coming in a single file line towards the camera, making it easier for us to gauge the pigmentation of Ashkenazi jews. Sure the lighting is a washed out but nothings perfect


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omxRShmj72A

The gingerbeards and the Cypriots.

Balkanians are swarthy Arabs whatever that means?

[Faklon]

Greeks don't have North-European influence, maybe recent mutts. The only North-Euro group that invaded Greece was a handful of Goths, some Varangians maybe settled in Anatolia-Pontus-Ukraine.

North Euro as an autosomal proxy is stupid and doesn't make up for IE/Neolithic/HG ethnogenesis, South Germans likely have real North-Euro influence from Germanic ethnogenesis. Maybe some Jews also have Germanic ancestry and evolved particular traits.

The Jews in the videos above have a high relevance of reddish hair/beards that it's unrealistic in Greece. Otherwise I cannot see how their pigmentation stands out.

Greek students,

https://i.ibb.co/CQrwb81/ss-2015-02-13-at-02-58-28.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/dgdxhjx/ss-2015-02-13-at-02-38-40.jpg

Τhere instances in Greek folk shadow puppetry that the stereotypical Jew is portrayed as blonde.

https://i.ibb.co/yN7x3SG/unnamed-1.jpg

Sometimes he is portayed as very brunet,

https://i.ibb.co/3cJHLFW/evraios1.jpg


No Greek character is portrayed as etiher,

https://i.ibb.co/Wt8mhPp/fig-mparmpa.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/8rV44rn/fig-velis.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/zsnnz3V/fig-xatziav.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/f4WR8GG/fig-dion.jpg

[Hoihey]

The gingerbeards and the Cypriots.

Balkanians are swarthy Arabs whatever that means?

Lol, no, balkanians are not swarthy arabs either

[XenophobicPrussian]

Greeks don't have North-European influence, maybe recent mutts. The only North-Euro group that invaded Greece was a handful of Goths, some Varangians maybe settled in Anatolia-Pontus-Ukraine.

You deny Greeks have around 20% Slavic admixture or are we having a misunderstanding on what North-Euro is?

[Faklon]

You deny Greeks have around 20% Slavic admixture or are we having a misunderstanding on what North-Euro is?

Slavic admixture is possible, it is likely from Balkans and it doesn't make North-Euro. We still haven't defined a proto-Slav to run in conclusions.

[Hoihey]

Greeks don't have North-European influence, maybe recent mutts. The only North-Euro group that invaded Greece was a handful of Goths, some Varangians maybe settled in Anatolia-Pontus-Ukraine.

North Euro as an autosomal proxy is stupid and doesn't make up for IE/Neolithic/HG ethnogenesis, South Germans likely have real North-Euro influence from Germanic ethnogenesis. Maybe some Jews also have Germanic ancestry and evolved particular traits.

The Jews in the videos above have a high relevance of reddish hair/beards that it's unrealistic in Greece. Otherwise I cannot see how their pigmentation stands out.

Greek students,

https://i.ibb.co/CQrwb81/ss-2015-02-13-at-02-58-28.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/dgdxhjx/ss-2015-02-13-at-02-38-40.jpg

Τhere instances in Greek folk shadow puppetry that the stereotypical Jew is portrayed as blonde.

https://i.ibb.co/yN7x3SG/unnamed-1.jpg

Sometimes he is portayed as very brunet,

https://i.ibb.co/3cJHLFW/evraios1.jpg


No Greek character is portrayed as etiher,

https://i.ibb.co/Wt8mhPp/fig-mparmpa.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/8rV44rn/fig-velis.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/zsnnz3V/fig-xatziav.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/f4WR8GG/fig-dion.jpg

A lot of it comes down to lighting and sun exposure. The pictures you used were quite bright from the sun whereas the videos I provided were rather dull and washed out due due being indoors/taken in overcast, cloudy weather. Ashkenazi s can look damn near Scandinavian given perfect lighting conditions

https://i.ibb.co/3rjyrjZ/F97-E0-C82-255-B-49-E3-9-E24-E581-BE94-B8-F0.jpg (https://ibb.co/xCBSCBT)

Most of the time though, they are a lot more brunette. BTW the point I was trying to make was that jews are not as dark or swarthy as some folks tend to think, that still seems to be the perception among some. They do have a lot of darker types but not so much to make them instantly stand out in much of Europe. What makes them stand out is their often atypical facial features. Lipa Schmeltzer is a good example. His skin is super pale, but he has black hair, brown eyes, and a face that wouldn’t be found anywhere in Europe except maybe a very atypical Cypriot.

[Faklon]

A lot of it comes down to lighting and sun exposure. The pictures you used were quite bright from the sun whereas the videos I provided were rather dull and washed out due due being indoors/taken in overcast, cloudy weather. Ashkenazi s can look damn near Scandinavian given perfect lighting conditions

https://i.ibb.co/3rjyrjZ/F97-E0-C82-255-B-49-E3-9-E24-E581-BE94-B8-F0.jpg (https://ibb.co/xCBSCBT)

Most of the time though, they are a lot more brunette. BTW the point I was trying to make was that jews are not as dark or swarthy as some folks tend to think, that still seems to be the perception among some. They do have a lot of darker types but not so much to make them instantly stand out in much of Europe. What makes them stand out is their often atypical facial features. Lipa Schmeltzer is a good example. His skin is super pale, but he has black hair, brown eyes, and a face that wouldn’t be found anywhere in Europe except maybe a very atypical Cypriot.

I didn't choose any exposed picture, both are in normal lighting and many people look black-haired. Althought, I agree that anthrotards can play with lighting like Albanians used to do here.

https://i.ibb.co/wM72CNT/se0gpg.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/C2QmWhK/ss-2015-02-13-at-02-44-35.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/jb4B549/karpenisi.jpg

oH WoW TheSSaly iS 50% BlOnDe HaIreD, ZeNo wAs rIGhT.

Anyways, for all I care Ashkenazis may be more depigmented than Greeks in absolute numbers or whatever. They certainly look notably more red-haired (very rare trait in Greece) but I doubt they stand out in comparinson to Arabobalkanian mutts.


Lipa Schmeltzer is a good example. His skin is super pale, but he has black hair, brown eyes, and a face that wouldn’t be found anywhere in Europe except maybe a very atypical Cypriot.

He doesn't look super pale,

https://www.google.com/search?q=Lipa+Schmeltzer&rlz=1C1GCEA_enGR908GR908&sxsrf=ALeKk036vkhivuAcGRjihe4xF7Slc9Wydg:160429123 8552&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiIiY_LguPsAhVKM-wKHTaiCKEQ_AUoAXoECAUQAw&biw=1920&bih=937#imgrc=uoE9FsGg4x6kKM

Rather normal South-European.

Many Brits look like this,

https://www.myhealthyfeeling.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/red-freckles-252x300.jpg

[Foster]

It's quite easy to tell, right?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVHnXn5Ipes


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vcSK1OaeMo

[MINARDOWICZ]

At the end of the day, we are talking about their pigmentation, NOT their ancestry composition. Sure, you’d expect a population that is around half near eastern to be darker than Southern Europeans, but that’s not always the case, genetic drift and a founder effect took place in the Jewish community, which I believe caused them to become markedly lighter than present day near easterners (that or the near easterners who arrived in Europe thousands of years ago were already lighter to begin with)

I like this video as it does a good job in showcasing Ashkenazi pigmentation. None of these guys were recently mixed and they are coming in a single file line towards the camera, making it easier for us to gauge the pigmentation of Ashkenazi jews. Sure the lighting is a washed out but nothings perfect


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omxRShmj72A

I am actually part Ashkenazi. Sure, they are not as dark as Calabrese/Sicilians. They are about on par with Greeks and C Italians/other S Italians. They aren't like central Europeans. As far as darkness goes, they are on par with (mainland) Greeks. There are still TONS of very Dark Ashkenazim.

[MINARDOWICZ]

They don't have equal N. Euro influence as Greeks, they have far less, and are more southern/MENA shifted than Greeks. Basically what Hoihey said, ancestry doesn't correlate with pigmentation in every case, i.e South Germans vs Irish.

Also remember Ashkenazi Jews over the last 1k years, have been a very "indoor race", comparatively, add onto that they've mostly been in a N. European climate. Meanwhile, the vast majority of Greeks have been farming in the Mediterranean sun.

Actually, the N Euro % AND pigmentation are roughly equal in both populations. At the same time, Ashkenazim STILL have more W Asian etc. The N Euro in Ashkenazim is higher than far southern Italians. I have compared endless kits back to back. Sephardim lack N euro, Ashkenazim do not.

[Tannhauser]

Diego Schwartzman, tennis player


https://i.ytimg.com/vi/5D5OXGlr1sU/maxresdefault.jpg
https://bolamarela.pt/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/peke.png
https://s1.ibtimes.com/sites/www.ibtimes.com/files/styles/embed/public/2018/06/01/diego-schwartzman.jpg

[Tauromachos]

In my opinion Greeks are more balanced when it comes to pigmentation, with a vast majority of them being standard Med/pontid types. While Ashkenazi might have a higher percentage of blonde types (not sure) I feel like the amount of Wogistanis in their group is a lot higher than Greeks

The plain Semitic looking types of Ashkenazis look woggier or to say more Middle Eastern than the average Greek

The light types of Ashkenazim aren't darker than the average Greek

[Deusex99]

Hard to say really. So many Ashkenazim are half Northern Europeans or pure Northern Europeans larping as Jews.

[Deusex99]

The plain Semitic looking types of Ashkenazis look woggier or to say more Middle Eastern than the average Greek

The light types of Ashkenazim aren't darker than the average Greek

It depends on Greeks. Hellenized Vlachs from Thessaly look mainly Balkan but Cypriots and other Eastern Greeks are a different story.

[Hoihey]

Hard to say really. So many Ashkenazim are half Northern Europeans or pure Northern Europeans larping as Jews.

Look at pictures of Orthodox Jews. Particularly Litvak and Hasidic, they are Ashkenazi to the core

[XenophobicPrussian]

Actually, the N Euro % AND pigmentation are roughly equal in both populations. At the same time, Ashkenazim STILL have more W Asian etc. The N Euro in Ashkenazim is higher than far southern Italians. I have compared endless kits back to back. Sephardim lack N euro, Ashkenazim do not.
Show me a model you've used on Ashkenazis then. I was under the impression that the main Euro part of Ashkenazis was North Italian, and that they had noise level German/Polish. Ashkenazi pigmentation is much higher than Greeks, multiple studies confirm it. It's closer to Romanian.

[Hoihey]

I am actually part Ashkenazi. Sure, they are not as dark as Calabrese/Sicilians. They are about on par with Greeks and C Italians/other S Italians. They aren't like central Europeans. As far as darkness goes, they are on par with (mainland) Greeks. There are still TONS of very Dark Ashkenazim.

There are plenty of Ashkenazi with dark features but I know for sure that the Askenazis have a higher percentage of red hair and light eyes than mainland Greeks. I’m 80% sure they also have more blondes than Greeks. At least that is my impression with the Haredim

[Deusex99]

Show me a model you've used on Ashkenazis then. I was under the impression that the main Euro part of Ashkenazis was North Italian, and that they had noise level German/Polish. Ashkenazi pigmentation is much higher than Greeks, multiple studies confirm it. It's closer to Romanian.

North Italians? They are mix of Samaritan males and the lightest Euro females they could find. Still Samaritans have some Arabonegroid dna from Muslim rape. Ashkenazim lack that.

https://i.ibb.co/MfxxdJS/Screenshot-20201011-204207.jpg

[SamuelPomper]

Obviously Türks.

[XenophobicPrussian]

North Italians? They are mix of Samaritan males and the lightest Euro females they could find. Still Samaritans have some Arabonegroid dna from Muslim rape. Ashkenazim lack that.

https://i.ibb.co/MfxxdJS/Screenshot-20201011-204207.jpg
Yes, North Italians, hence the bulk of their Euro ancestry coming from those Roman samples. I know they're half Levantine, I was talking about their Euro side. Although I'm surprised Lithuanian Ashkenazis score that much Slavic. The Germany samples were more what I was thinking all Ashkenazis would be like.

[SamuelPomper]

Yes, North Italians, hence the bulk of their Euro ancestry coming from those Roman samples. I know they're half Levantine, I was talking about their Euro side. Although I'm surprised Lithuanian Ashkenazis score that much Slavic. The Germany samples were more what I was thinking all Ashkenazis would be like.

You would be really surprised how jews here in eastern europe turn out to look like. YOu wouldn't even guess they're jews, most of them would get classified just like the locals, trust me I know. Especially those half jews. There are even uralid jews.

[Deusex99]

Yes, North Italians, hence the bulk of their Euro ancestry coming from those Roman samples. I know they're half Levantine, I was talking about their Euro side. Although I'm surprised Lithuanian Ashkenazis score that much Slavic. The Germany samples were more what I was thinking all Ashkenazis would be like.

Dude what are you smoking? They are only 10% Etruscan or so. I doubt they got any Italian ancestry at all. Stop listening to "Polako/Generalissimo/Polski idraulik". Their euro part is clearly from outside of Italy.

[Roy]

Ashkenazis are lighter than Albanians, Serbs, Romanians, Bulgarians, Bosnians and Croatians. They should naturally be lighter than Greeks.

They are not lighter than Croats and Bosniaks.

[Deusex99]

I am actually part Ashkenazi. Sure, they are not as dark as Calabrese/Sicilians. They are about on par with Greeks and C Italians/other S Italians. They aren't like central Europeans. As far as darkness goes, they are on par with (mainland) Greeks. There are still TONS of very Dark Ashkenazim.

Calabrians are mixed bunch. The ones from North-Central Calabria who didn't mix with Sicilians look like normal Euro Mediterraneans.

https://content.lanuovacalabria.it/imagesData/Media/Images/scherma_master.jpg

https://www.calabriadirettanews.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/la-squadra-fipe-kodokan.jpeg

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/FcifkBFNPCO3loUcFFe0T7axDUWLKy5Eeed8lp8oGe6RUmGqCn Lcxn65pNJ0xNpy19vl9Vy_0CNy5xJ9dRnHSf5QlbcNm5f-RoPC9wn_H0cECeyAjQhlcd4P-EN9YEJjPTczZjrTvHK8AnB3eQaL6ugnCFpKQMtVEWTin3B5HTh gPyeyDuR9OzIuO2qlSN18coK5imeb-kP-tviD-5MHSiUsH0OqO2QXsUaLc0WqB-srIjfCRSLzl8w2

https://www.cosenzachannel.it/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/bilotta-e-tocci-650x405.jpg

https://www.quicosenza.it/news/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/la-squadra-dopo-la-premiazione-735x400.jpg

https://www.quotidianodelsud.it/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/La-squadra-dopo-la-premiazione-980x653.jpg

[XenophobicPrussian]

Dude what are you smoking? They are only 10% Etruscan or so. I doubt they got any Italian ancestry at all. Stop listening to "Polako/Generalissimo/Polski idraulik". Their euro part is clearly from outside of Italy.
What do you think DEU_Roman is? He was an Italian Roman army officer that clustered with Iberians, like other ancient Romans. There's a chance he could've been a pre-Germanic Celtic local, but he still clustered around ancient early Romans and probably native North Italians, therefore not N. Euro. Use DEU_MA or moderns if you want actual Germanics.

[Deusex99]

What do you think DEU_Roman is? He was an Italian Roman army officer that clustered with Iberians, like other ancient Romans. There's a chance he could've been a pre-Germanic Celtic local, but he still clustered around ancient early Romans and probably native North Italians, therefore not N. Euro. Use DEU_MA or moderns if you want actual Germanics.

Italian Roman officer from 500 AD? I thought those guys were extinct from 300 BC. At least guys on anthrogenica told me so.

Hahah

Do you realize that anyone from Western Europe was "Roman Like" in Iron age time?

[Deusex99]

What do you think DEU_Roman is? He was an Italian Roman army officer that clustered with Iberians, like other ancient Romans. There's a chance he could've been a pre-Germanic Celtic local, but he still clustered around ancient early Romans and probably native North Italians, therefore not N. Euro. Use DEU_MA or moderns if you want actual Germanics.

DEU Roman is basal Western European so Basques with a Northern shift. Closest to real Romans/Italics are Etruscans IA. I don't like Ardea Latina because 1 out 4 is a French like outlier from 400 BC when Rome was overrun with Gauls.

[XenophobicPrussian]

Yep, Ashkenazis show very little N. Euro admixture. Greeks will have 20-22% NE Euro-like recent admixture(of course brought in by a Balkan-like proxy, for the most part), compared to around 5% for Ashkenazis. Honestly surprised they don't seem to have any German or French admixture at all.

Target: Ashkenazi_Germany
Distance: 0.7843% / 0.00784288
55.4 Italian_Piedmont
30.2 Palestinian
14.4 Samaritan

Target: Ashkenazi_Poland
Distance: 0.6114% / 0.00611394
55.4 Italian_Piedmont
31.8 Samaritan
8.2 Palestinian
4.6 Polish

Target: Ashkenazi_Lithuania
Distance: 0.7681% / 0.00768085
53.2 Italian_Piedmont
26.2 Palestinian
14.8 Samaritan
5.8 Lithuanian_PA

Target: Ashkenazi_Belarussia
Distance: 0.6101% / 0.00610055
56.8 Italian_Piedmont
31.4 Palestinian
7.8 Samaritan
4.0 Lithuanian_PA

Target: Ashkenazi_Russia
Distance: 0.7457% / 0.00745677
58.8 Italian_Piedmont
19.4 Palestinian
17.6 Samaritan
4.2 Lithuanian_PA

Target: Ashkenazi_Ukraine
Distance: 0.5826% / 0.00582607
45.8 Italian_Piedmont
30.8 Samaritan
9.2 Italian_Bergamo
7.6 Palestinian
6.6 Polish


Model:


German,0.0114443,0.0135278,0.0153747,0.0119835,0.0 129987,0.0056101,0.0017304,0.0025076,0.0017241,0.0 010316,-0.0027177,0.0015835,-0.0036127,-0.0018468,0.0062722,0.0024823,-0.0025101,0.0013127,0.0026785,0.0013747,0.0025165, 0.0016215,5.82e-05,0.0068924,0.0002316
Lithuanian_PA,0.01175,0.012225,0.0211125,0.0231,0. 0137,0.0104375,0.0037125,0.0058125,-0.001825,-0.0144375,-0.0021625,-0.006075,0.0125625,0.0193625,-0.00875,0.0026375,0.0032875,0.0008125,0.003125,0.0 009875,-0.00485,-0.0026625,0.007625,-0.0054375,-0.0002375
Polish,0.0115829,0.0127293,0.0185268,0.0178756,0.0 132171,0.0077854,0.0036927,0.0047073,-0.0004561,-0.0101805,-0.002678,-0.0042829,0.0088073,0.0135366,-0.0051756,-0.000422,0.0011854,-5.85e-05,0.0021439,0.0010293,-0.0025073,-0.002522,0.0045488,-0.0027659,-7.32e-05
Italian_Bergamo,0.01088,0.01484,0.00814,-0.00364,0.01176,-0.00096,0.00046,0.00074,0.00526,0.01518,-0.00086,0.00454,-0.00864,-0.00456,-0.00256,-0.00314,-0.00028,0.00052,0.0041,-0.00444,-0.00084,-2e-05,-0.0034,0.00314,8e-04
Samaritan,0.0075,0.01464,-0.01522,-0.02864,-0.00312,-0.01256,-0.00094,-0.00354,0.00798,0.00452,0.00564,-0.00662,0.01378,0.00862,-0.00408,0.0016,-0.00862,8e-04,0.00168,-0.00292,-0.00042,0.00252,0.00046,-0.00244,0.00388
Palestinian,0.004,0.01322,-0.01255,-0.02415,-0.00411,-0.01066,-0.00265,-0.00086,0.00819,-0.00017,0.00504,-0.00643,0.01366,-0.00096,-7e-04,0.00735,-0.00154,-0.00139,7e-05,0.00203,0.00091,0.00427,-0.00013,0.00199,0.00154
French_Nord,0.0112697,0.0138394,0.0136182,0.007927 3,0.0124364,0.0031879,0.0004667,0.0019152,0.004093 9,0.0065939,-0.0021455,0.0026909,-0.0073061,-0.0059455,0.0082515,0.0019182,-0.0035333,0.0017576,0.0032576,0.0008242,0.0017091, 0.0012333,-0.0012758,0.0062,1.21e-05
Italian_Piedmont,0.01066,0.01451,0.00554,-0.00452,0.00951,-0.00211,0.00121,7e-05,0.00365,0.01324,-0.00014,0.00424,-0.00665,-0.00328,-0.00116,-0.00204,0.00086,0.00071,0.00173,-0.00306,-0.00206,0.0015,-0.00195,0.00318,-0.00125

[Deusex99]

Italia piedmont has Southerners thrown in. You should use ancient samples by the way.

[JamesBond007]

What do you think DEU_Roman is? He was an Italian Roman army officer that clustered with Iberians, like other ancient Romans. There's a chance he could've been a pre-Germanic Celtic local, but he still clustered around ancient early Romans and probably native North Italians, therefore not N. Euro. Use DEU_MA or moderns if you want actual Germanics.

Why DEU_MA ? You are behind the times man viking average samples such as VK2020_DNK_Sealand_EVA are better proxies for 'Germanic'.:picard2:

[Dr_Maul]

Why DEU_MA ? You are behind the times man viking average samples such as VK2020_DNK_Sealand_EVA are better proxies for 'Germanic'.:picard2:

No, this

Target: DEU_Roman
Distance: 1.5363% / 0.01536280 | ADC: 0.25x
63.8 Spanish_Catalunya_Central
13.8 Spanish_La_Rioja
7.0 Sardinian
5.2 Macedonian
4.0 Spanish_Soria
3.4 Slovakian
1.8 Sorb_Niederlausitz
1.0 Ju_hoan_North

[PosterMentality22]

Ashkenazis are lighter than Albanians, Serbs, Romanians, Bulgarians, Bosnians and Croatians. They should naturally be lighter than Greeks.

I have done extensive research on pigmentation studies of Ashkenazi Jews in Europe and I have seen no conclusive evidence that Ashkenazim are lighter-haired than the Southern European mean (if we take Central Italy to represent the average pigmentation for the region). Somewhat lighter than Greek Islanders and some Southern Italian populations perhaps, but not relatively light compared to the region overall. However Ashkenazim generally do deviate from Southern Europeans in rufosity. Dutch biologist Louis Bolk found at the turn of the 20th century that schoolchildren from Jewish schools had a very similar frequency of red hair to the ethnic Dutch students he surveyed despite much darker hair/eye pigmentation. If I were to generalize the distribution of Ashkenazim hair pigmentation I would be inclined to say that it is average for Southern Europe, but with a rufosity level comparable to the Netherlands.

Eye Color and skin pigmentation has more overlap with the Northern end of Southern Europe than hair color, but is still definitely darker than Central Europe.

[Token]

Yep, Ashkenazis show very little N. Euro admixture. Greeks will have 20-22% NE Euro-like recent admixture(of course brought in by a Balkan-like proxy, for the most part), compared to around 5% for Ashkenazis. Honestly surprised they don't seem to have any German or French admixture at all.:
Your statement rests on the rather unlikely premise that the European admixture in Ashkenazi Jews is mostly North Italian like. Moreover, how likely is it that Ashkenazi Jews would start speaking Rhinelandic German out of nowhere?

[XenophobicPrussian]

Your statement rests on the rather unlikely premise that the European admixture in Ashkenazi Jews is mostly North Italian like. Moreover, how likely is it that Ashkenazi Jews would start speaking Rhinelandic German out of nowhere?
because they lived there..?

I literally put Germans and N. French(where they first moved up to from the Roman Empire) in the model, the models want none of it, and this is the exact same previous papers on this have found, that the main European source in Ashkenazis is North Italian. This really isn't up for debate, and I don't know why anyone would be personally invested enough to care either way, they could be 100% Russian Khazars for all I care.

[XenophobicPrussian]

Italia piedmont has Southerners thrown in. You should use ancient samples by the way.
Nope, this is a fallacy.

Not sure what Piedmont having Southerners thrown in has anything to do with anything, it would just mean Ashkenazis also will have Central and South Italian admixture. Point is, they show no signs of N. Euro admixture outside some minor Slavic. You seem pretty personally invested in them not being mainly Italian admixed, why? I actually kinda wish they did have some NW Euro, because you have some very confused people that claim southern Euros are the smartest race because Ashkenazis cluster with Sicilians and have a lot of Italian admixture.

[Token]

because they lived there..?
Yeah, that is the point. Ashkenazi Jews were not particularly selective with women.


I literally put Germans and N. French(where they first moved up to from the Roman Empire) in the model, the models want none of it, and this is the exact same previous papers on this have found, that the main European source in Ashkenazis is North Italian.
That means nothing whatsoever. It is not like the PCA can distinguish Italian_Piedmont from 50% German + 50% South Italian, both points will land in approximately the same coordinates of the euclidean space.

The baseless North Italian model utterly fails to explain Romaniote Jews and it never made historic sense.

[Creoda]

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/063099v1.full
http://www.gnxp.com/WordPress/2016/07/20/the-origins-of-ashkenazi-jews-near-resolution/

https://www.unz.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/Screenshot-2016-07-19-23.03.50.png


The Ashkenazi Jewish (AJ) population is important in medical genetics due to its high rate of Mendelian disorders and other unique genetic characteristics. Ashkenazi Jews have appeared in Europe in the 10th century, and their ancestry is thought to involve an admixture of European (EU) and Middle-Eastern (ME) groups. However, both the time and place of admixture in Europe are obscure and subject to intense debate. Here, we attempt to characterize the Ashkenazi admixture history using a large Ashkenazi sample and careful application of new and existing methods. Our main approach is based on local ancestry inference, assigning each Ashkenazi genomic segment as EU or ME, and comparing allele frequencies across EU segments to those of different EU populations. The contribution of each EU source was also evaluated using GLOBETROTTER and analysis of IBD sharing. The time of admixture was inferred using multiple tools, relying on statistics such as the distributions of segment lengths and the total EU ancestry per chromosome and the correlation of ancestries along the chromosome. Our simulations demonstrated that distinguishing EU vs ME ancestry is subject to considerable noise at the single segment level, but nevertheless, conclusions could be drawn based on chromosome-wide statistics. The predominant source of EU ancestry in AJ was found to be Southern European (≈60-80%), with the rest being likely Eastern European. The inferred admixture time was ≈35 generations ago, but multiple lines of evidence suggests that it represents an average over two or more admixture events, pre- and post-dating the founder event experienced by AJ in late medieval times. The time of the pre-bottleneck admixture event was bounded to 25-55 generations ago.



I think this preprint is coming close to the answer. Why does a small ethno-religious minority in Europe matter? Well, that’s a matter of historical contingency.

In any case, there were some good papers on Ashkenazi Jewish genetics which came out in the spring of 2010. They really moved the ball forward from the uniparental work. But they suffered from two major problems. First, the putative “parent” populations of Ashkenazi Jews are not that genetically distinct. Second, the hypothesized parental populations were often implausible; e.g., Northern Europeans and modern Levantines.

The likely parental populations of Ashkenazi Jews are Roman period peoples of the eastern Mediterranean, particularly the swath of territory from Alexandria up to Anatolia, and, the peoples of the western Mediterranean. That is, Levantines and Iberians & Italians. These two groups are distinct, but they’re not that distinct.

[Creoda]

If Ashkenazi's European side was even half German/Slav they would be significantly different from Sephardics, which they aren't.

[Tauromachos]

It depends on Greeks. Hellenized Vlachs from Thessaly look mainly Balkan but Cypriots and other Eastern Greeks are a different story.

Average Greeks look like what they are Southern European and it doesn't change alot between the Mainland and Islands

[Deusex99]

Yeah, that is the point. Ashkenazi Jews were not particularly selective with women.


That means nothing whatsoever. It is not like the PCA can distinguish Italian_Piedmont from 50% German + 50% South Italian, both points will land in approximately the same coordinates of the euclidean space.

The baseless North Italian model utterly fails to explain Romaniote Jews and it never made historic sense.

He thinks that using modern populations to model Ashkenazim whose ethnogenesis happened 2000 years ago is correct. He probably also think that modeling paleolithic populations like ANE as 70% Russian + 30% Chinese also makes sense...

[Faklon]

It depends on Greeks. Hellenized Vlachs from Thessaly look mainly Balkan but Cypriots and other Eastern Greeks are a different story.

Vlachs are/were a small minority inside Thessaly.

For example, when Mussolini called the Pindus Vlachs to revolt. It was Thessalian majors like Dimitris Kazlas that took the initiative and destroyed the Italians and the Aromanian traitors.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Hill_731


The Italian Division to assault Hill 731 was Puglie. Hill 731 was defended by the 2nd Battalion of the Greek 5th Infantry Regiment (ΙΙ/5) of the 1st Division, who were ordered to hold their positions at all costs. The ΙΙ/5 Battalion was commanded by Major Dimitrios Kaslas and the majority of its soldiers hailed from the towns of Trikala and Karditsa. The Battle of Hill 731 has been described as the Verdun of the Greco-Italian War,[11] whereas others referred to it as the new Thermopylae. It was a bloody struggle, with soldiers often engaging in close quarters combat and fighting with whatever they had at hand. The ferocious ground and air bombardment transformed the hill's landscape, eliminating all trees and reducing its height by 2 meters: its present day altitude is 729 meters.



Casualties and losses

Greece: 450
Italy: 4,000

There are also millions of Greek people between Macedonia/Thessaly and Cyprus who form a continuum without having any history with Vlachs, what is "Eastern Greeks" supposed to mean?

Some of you Latins are worse than Balkaners, I bet some North Italian samples are latinized Germans from Tirol.:thumb001::thumb001:

[Tarlus Magnus]

I just hope you're joking.
Greeks obviously

[Faklon]

I just hope you're joking.
Greeks obviously

Jews is the videos posted look at least more red-haired than anyone Southern and likely Eastern than Bavaria.


In European culture, before the 20th century, red hair was often seen as a stereotypically Jewish trait: during the Spanish Inquisition, all those with red hair were identified as Jewish.[16] In Italy, red hair was associated with Italian Jews, and Judas was traditionally depicted as red-haired in Italian and Spanish art.[17] The stereotype that red hair is Jewish remains in parts of Eastern Europe and Russia.[18]

If Ashkenazis absorbed 1 or 2 ginger ancestors by say Germany and bred that trait, it wouldn't make a vast difference genetically but it may show in their phenotype.

[catgeorge]

OK - now back to what I was doing before avoiding these nul brain threads.

..and Dorian bro - I'm talking about it with the second half its not a problem from my end but we have kids to think about too - I know your intentions are as clean af.

I will respond to you soon one way or another. Its nothing out of the ordinary anyway.

[catgeorge]

Jews have Khazar features in many of them and look like Chinks.

To me he has Khazar Chinky eyes

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b0/Paul_Wolfowitz.jpg

[PosterMentality22]

If Ashkenazis absorbed 1 or 2 ginger ancestors by say Germany and bred that trait, it wouldn't make a vast difference genetically but it may show in their phenotype.

That is what happened to the Samaritans. The bottlenecking they have experience since the Samaritan revolts has led to a modern Samaritan population with a very high R151C (most widespread MC1R red hair variant) allele frequency. Studies from Italian Anthropologists Gini and Genna along with Polish-Jewish anthropologist Szpidbaum indicate lighter pigmentation and much more rufosity among the small population of Samaritans in the early 20th Century than is typical for contemporary Levantines.

Keep in mind that the Samaritan population at the close of 19th century was around 1/10,000 of the maximum population in the 4th century. Because of the extreme bottlenecking even traits that are were very rare among ancient Samaritans could end up being drastically more common among their remaining modern descendants.

[Adriaticia]

Calabrians are mixed bunch. The ones from North-Central Calabria who didn't mix with Sicilians look like normal Euro Mediterraneans.

https://content.lanuovacalabria.it/imagesData/Media/Images/scherma_master.jpg

https://www.calabriadirettanews.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/la-squadra-fipe-kodokan.jpeg

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/FcifkBFNPCO3loUcFFe0T7axDUWLKy5Eeed8lp8oGe6RUmGqCn Lcxn65pNJ0xNpy19vl9Vy_0CNy5xJ9dRnHSf5QlbcNm5f-RoPC9wn_H0cECeyAjQhlcd4P-EN9YEJjPTczZjrTvHK8AnB3eQaL6ugnCFpKQMtVEWTin3B5HTh gPyeyDuR9OzIuO2qlSN18coK5imeb-kP-tviD-5MHSiUsH0OqO2QXsUaLc0WqB-srIjfCRSLzl8w2

https://www.cosenzachannel.it/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/bilotta-e-tocci-650x405.jpg

https://www.quicosenza.it/news/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/la-squadra-dopo-la-premiazione-735x400.jpg

https://www.quotidianodelsud.it/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/La-squadra-dopo-la-premiazione-980x653.jpg

I live in Israel, and the last three pictures. I sti try to figure if they are Italians or Jews cant see any diffrent they look totally Israelis or those Israelis looks totally Italians. I been in Italy aswell as a Jewish no one tought that I am foregin. Also I saw everyone same as Israelis there are a few that u can say they look more euro and diffrwnt but overall there is no diffrences between jews and Italians.

[Zeno]

Greeks are on average. Jews just have a higher intensity of rufosity, aka red hair. But accounting for all light hair, it's Greeks. The people in the poll who voted for Ashkenazis only take the higher intensity of red hair into account.

[Hoihey]

Greeks are on average. Jews just have a higher intensity of rufosity, aka red hair. But accounting for all light hair, it's Greeks. The people in the poll who voted for Ashkenazis only take the higher intensity of red hair into account.

And what makes you say that? Everything I’ve seen so far in this thread has pointed to the contrary. Prove your point, don’t just tell us. Also, do you think that Greeks have lighter eyes and skin on average than Ashkenazis? I thought that it was evident that the opposite was true.

[Hoihey]

Just to demonstrate how different we are:

Are there any Jews who look like this, like Stefanos Miltsakakis?

https://img6.bdbphotos.com/images/orig/j/7/j7fhg8mrbign7jhi.jpg?skj2io4l

https://c8.alamy.com/compfr/fhpb2w/stefanos-miltsakakis-risque-maximum-1996-fhpb2w.jpg

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/_HkMA-9UjVJmnqXhuqEXQZUYlCIa-clXcPln8vSBC5dtDWKAdx4VV0DpTcbzMed1xiX1d9pmUKCwd0C bD3zOTbO2d-1U7EPFn_7JXaDSiBTKsx3wQ6FlU6ArnBw7uEG2

Not only is he super light in pigmentation, but he has straight out Germanic features.

This Jew beats him
https://i.ibb.co/ZLHBhNH/2-E6-E980-D-95-FC-4-BC8-A85-E-EF2821-D3-E931.png (https://ibb.co/7YgnGbg)
https://i.ibb.co/ZgFMsyD/E9814-FE6-008-A-48-DD-A2-E6-D89520532-F07.png (https://ibb.co/n1YL2hJ)
https://i.ibb.co/pLVmk44/B900-DB2-A-034-F-4-D5-E-8102-0-CF4-F9-DEBECD.png (https://ibb.co/gRqnctt)

[MINARDOWICZ]

Calabrians are mixed bunch. The ones from North-Central Calabria who didn't mix with Sicilians look like normal Euro Mediterraneans.

https://content.lanuovacalabria.it/imagesData/Media/Images/scherma_master.jpg

https://www.calabriadirettanews.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/la-squadra-fipe-kodokan.jpeg

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/FcifkBFNPCO3loUcFFe0T7axDUWLKy5Eeed8lp8oGe6RUmGqCn Lcxn65pNJ0xNpy19vl9Vy_0CNy5xJ9dRnHSf5QlbcNm5f-RoPC9wn_H0cECeyAjQhlcd4P-EN9YEJjPTczZjrTvHK8AnB3eQaL6ugnCFpKQMtVEWTin3B5HTh gPyeyDuR9OzIuO2qlSN18coK5imeb-kP-tviD-5MHSiUsH0OqO2QXsUaLc0WqB-srIjfCRSLzl8w2

https://www.cosenzachannel.it/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/bilotta-e-tocci-650x405.jpg

https://www.quicosenza.it/news/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/la-squadra-dopo-la-premiazione-735x400.jpg

https://www.quotidianodelsud.it/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/La-squadra-dopo-la-premiazione-980x653.jpg

These guys stilll look very S/SE Euro and are exotic. But yeah, I agree. Reggio Di Calabria is VERY genetically like Messina, actually.

[MINARDOWICZ]

Jews have Khazar features in many of them and look like Chinks.

To me he has Khazar Chinky eyes

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b0/Paul_Wolfowitz.jpg

I see 2-4% E Eurasian in lots of Gedmatch results, so maybe 5% Turkic influence? Plausible, but not super significant. My Jewish relatives look like my Calabrese ones, but taller and lighter... Joseph Gordon Levitt is a bit like this, though. He DOES NOT look Italian/Greek.

[Zeno]

This Jew beats him
https://i.ibb.co/ZLHBhNH/2-E6-E980-D-95-FC-4-BC8-A85-E-EF2821-D3-E931.png (https://ibb.co/7YgnGbg)
https://i.ibb.co/ZgFMsyD/E9814-FE6-008-A-48-DD-A2-E6-D89520532-F07.png (https://ibb.co/n1YL2hJ)
https://i.ibb.co/pLVmk44/B900-DB2-A-034-F-4-D5-E-8102-0-CF4-F9-DEBECD.png (https://ibb.co/gRqnctt)

Ummmm, that Jew isn't nearly as light as the example I posted a long time ago. Compare the hair colour in the 2nd pic of my example with yours... Even if almost buzzcut, he seems he has almost platinum blond hair.

And most importantly, the features, the Greek is obviously a Faelid or a Borreby, while the Jew has some Armenoid influence on the nose primarily and the lip region.

And on average, Greeks, no matter their pigmentation, do not have Armenoid influences. Their DNA barely has any. Ashkenazis on the other hand do, in great percentage, have Armenoid influences and have Armenoid/Arabid influence on their phenotypes. The example is a perfect example almost of a Nordo-Armenoid.

[Hoihey]

Ummmm, that Jew isn't nearly as light as the example I posted a long time ago. Compare the hair colour in the 2nd pic of my example with yours... Even if almost buzzcut, he seems he has almost platinum blond hair.

And most importantly, the features, the Greek is obviously a Faelid or a Borreby, while the Jew has some Armenoid influence on the nose primarily and the lip region.

And on average, Greeks, no matter their pigmentation, do not have Armenoid influences. Their DNA barely has any. Ashkenazis on the other hand do, in great percentage, have Armenoid influences and have Armenoid/Arabid influence on their phenotypes. The example is a perfect example almost of a Nordo-Armenoid.

A few things I’d like to say. First, the Jew I posted is indeed lighter, much lighter than the guy you posted, maybe you didn’t notice at first but his hair is literally almost white, here is another photo for reference
https://i.ibb.co/QDwbJLv/563-CC440-0-CB2-4-FE1-95-CE-5684-AC15-F3-A1.png (https://ibb.co/phF01cj)

Second, I know Stefanos Miltsakakis, his hair isn’t that light, he dyed it for that one film. His normal hair color is darker and doesn’t have a red tint to it. https://i.ibb.co/p1QgJ44/C42-EE785-314-B-4759-B57-C-77-CE407-B566-E.jpg (https://imgbb.com/)
https://i.ibb.co/cgMGC0M/156-BAF0-F-7235-4-BF6-BAD2-A97-D2-F67-AFD8.jpg (https://ibb.co/f1BhnfB)
https://i.ibb.co/8dQkLfB/6542-C027-54-E8-4405-B4-EA-1-E5-D860667-E8.jpg (https://ibb.co/cCsqSZv)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cou94pOP6JE
Looks like my hair color, or maybe a bit lighter, but not exactly super light.
Third, while this isn’t relevant to our talk on pigmentation, I don’t think Stefanos is Faelid or Borreby, he looks a LOT like my dad, his phenotype is just a local Balkan robust Type and can be found occasionally throughout the region, but I wouldn’t say it is related to Northern European phenotypes.

[PosterMentality22]

A few things I’d like to say. First, the Jew I posted is indeed lighter, much lighter than the guy you posted, maybe you didn’t notice at first but his hair is literally almost white, here is another photo for reference
https://i.ibb.co/QDwbJLv/563-CC440-0-CB2-4-FE1-95-CE-5684-AC15-F3-A1.png (https://ibb.co/phF01cj)

Second, I know Stefanos Miltsakakis, his hair isn’t that light, he dyed it for that one film. His normal hair color is darker and doesn’t have a red tint to it. https://i.ibb.co/p1QgJ44/C42-EE785-314-B-4759-B57-C-77-CE407-B566-E.jpg (https://imgbb.com/)
https://i.ibb.co/cgMGC0M/156-BAF0-F-7235-4-BF6-BAD2-A97-D2-F67-AFD8.jpg (https://ibb.co/f1BhnfB)
https://i.ibb.co/8dQkLfB/6542-C027-54-E8-4405-B4-EA-1-E5-D860667-E8.jpg (https://ibb.co/cCsqSZv)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cou94pOP6JE
Looks like my hair color, or maybe a bit lighter, but not exactly super light.
Third, while this isn’t relevant to our talk on pigmentation, I don’t think Stefanos is Faelid or Borreby, he looks a LOT like my dad, his phenotype is just a local Balkan robust Type and can be found occasionally throughout the region, but I wouldn’t say it is related to Northern European phenotypes.

He was, not he is. He died early last year.
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/stefanos-miltsakakis-dead-actor-jean-claude-van-damme-films-was-59-1177250

[Faklon]

That particular jew is lighter and Miltsakakis approaches some Sarakatsani plates and metrics.

[Zeno]

A few things I’d like to say. First, the Jew I posted is indeed lighter, much lighter than the guy you posted, maybe you didn’t notice at first but his hair is literally almost white, here is another photo for reference
https://i.ibb.co/QDwbJLv/563-CC440-0-CB2-4-FE1-95-CE-5684-AC15-F3-A1.png (https://ibb.co/phF01cj)

Second, I know Stefanos Miltsakakis, his hair isn’t that light, he dyed it for that one film. His normal hair color is darker and doesn’t have a red tint to it. https://i.ibb.co/p1QgJ44/C42-EE785-314-B-4759-B57-C-77-CE407-B566-E.jpg (https://imgbb.com/)
https://i.ibb.co/cgMGC0M/156-BAF0-F-7235-4-BF6-BAD2-A97-D2-F67-AFD8.jpg (https://ibb.co/f1BhnfB)
https://i.ibb.co/8dQkLfB/6542-C027-54-E8-4405-B4-EA-1-E5-D860667-E8.jpg (https://ibb.co/cCsqSZv)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cou94pOP6JE
Looks like my hair color, or maybe a bit lighter, but not exactly super light.
Third, while this isn’t relevant to our talk on pigmentation, I don’t think Stefanos is Faelid or Borreby, he looks a LOT like my dad, his phenotype is just a local Balkan robust Type and can be found occasionally throughout the region, but I wouldn’t say it is related to Northern European phenotypes.

First of all, you post pics of when he was middle-aged. It's evident his hair had darkened and then grayed a lot.

Because when younger, he looked like this:

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/26/68/11/266811c2880bb3d76c8693bd1b7f2454.jpg

https://www.xwhos.com/photo/is_married_stefanos_miltsakakis_2019-02-22_3.webp

In all the movies I saw him with Jean Claude van Damme when younger (really good, everyone should see them, legit action movies, not like tday's crap) he was like this.

Especially from the first pic, the Jew you posted doesn't seem lighter. His hair is almost white as well in that pic. There's no point in posting pics from these two individuals, as both turn out to have almost white blond hair under lighting. And the features of Miltsakakis tend towards intense CM at the least.

But anyways, both instances are quite uncommon for both populations in regards to pigmentation. But amongst the greater general, it's more likely, as I've seen it, to see some more Greeks able of having these colours.

I'm not going to stretch it more, but that's my point here.

[Dimitri159]

Are you talking about the Greeks in this forum, or the Greeks IRL, in one case the statement is clearly not true.

Greeks IRL don’t care, Greeks in this forum specifically are obsessed with trying to be white.

[Dimitri159]

Nope. Absolutely not.

What does it matter? Neither Greeks or Jews have light eyes or hair on average, most Greeks and Jews are brunette with brown eyes as studies have already proved this for both groups.

Btw what studies did you read to come to the conclusion that Greeks have lighter features than Ashkenazis?

[aherne]

I think Ashkenazi Jews are lighter than Greeks but their facial features on average are not European. 80-90% look like ME + Euro mixes

[Tooting Carmen]

I think Ashkenazi Jews are lighter than Greeks but their facial features on average are not European. 80-90% look like ME + Euro mixes

This.

[Luso]

idk and it shouldn't really matter, lol. I will say that I do know a lot of Ashkenazi's here in ny who are very northern looking, like german etc.

[Tooting Carmen]

idk and it shouldn't really matter, lol. I will say that I do know a lot of Ashkenazi's here in ny who are very northern looking, like german etc.

How ironic...

[GoalPoacher]

How can Ashkenazis be lighter when they score higher Near East and lower EHG than Mainland Greeks? It just doesn't make sense

[Jana]

How ironic...

To most southern Europeans everyone with light hair and eyes looks like a German. While the reality is that full Jews with light pigmentation don't look anything like north/central Europeans in 90% of cases.
USA is full of people with mixed Jewish and white American (NW stock) origin so people have weird idea about Jewish looks.

[Tooting Carmen]

To most southern Europeans everyone with light hair and eyes looks like a German. While the reality is that full Jews with light pigmentation don't look anything like north/central Europeans in 90% of cases.
USA is full of people with mixed Jewish and white American (NW stock) origin so people have weird idea about Jewish looks.

And in any event, German blondness is itself overrated - while they are on the whole blonder than the British, I'd even go so far as to say their darker types often look more exotic than most dark Brits do: Mats Hummels, Jonas Kaufmann, Joschka Fischer, Hansi Muller, Ulf Kirsten, Kevin Volland etc.

[Jana]

And in any event, German blondness is itself overrated - while they are on the whole blonder than the British, I'd even go so far as to say their darker types often look more exotic than most dark Brits do: Mats Hummels, Jonas Kaufmann, Joschka Fischer, Hansi Muller, Ulf Kirsten, Kevin Volland etc.

Those people you mention are cherrypicked examples though. I lived in darkest part of Germany and didn't see any Hummels lookalikes around - he'd probably be taken for a Turk or south Euro immigrant if people didn't know his background.
Typical dark German is somebody like Michael Ballack or Joachim Löw.

[Immanenz]

And in any event, German blondness is itself overrated - while they are on the whole blonder than the British, I'd even go so far as to say their darker types often look more exotic than most dark Brits do: Mats Hummels, Jonas Kaufmann, Joschka Fischer, Hansi Muller, Ulf Kirsten, Kevin Volland etc.

And? Germany is about 80 mil. people and has a bigger variety than Britain or Scandinavian countries. its much more of a "mixed bag" country so to speak. ... its like if you have 35 % light blonde and 20 % swarthy looking, most people will still remember the former, even though the truth lies always in the (for the anthropleb boring) middle.


How can Ashkenazis be lighter when they score higher Near East and lower EHG than Mainland Greeks? It just doesn't make sense

The European source was often light, simply as that. So they mixed with light Poles, Germans etc. while that EHG that Greeks have most likely wasnt that light featured at that time.
Also selection patterns, most likely mixing only in rather restrict circles enhances the chance for the recessive genes to show.

[Roy]

How ironic...

That 'many' is still a minority.

[Zeno]

To most southern Europeans everyone with light hair and eyes looks like a German. While the reality is that full Jews with light pigmentation don't look anything like north/central Europeans in 90% of cases.
USA is full of people with mixed Jewish and white American (NW stock) origin so people have weird idea about Jewish looks.

It isn't "most". If we do say that, it's for the jokes. We can tell that Germans look different than our lighter in pigmentation peers for the most part. Some cases are just too obvious.

[Dimitri159]

How can Ashkenazis be lighter when they score higher Near East and lower EHG than Mainland Greeks? It just doesn't make sense

Because Semitic groups are naturally born white as well, they’re not born as brown babies like Africans or Indians. Greeks get a lot more sun than Ashkenazis who reside in places like Central Europe/N. America. Ashkenazi who live in Israel are probably just as dark as Greeks though.

[lustermoo]

Because Semitic groups are naturally born white as well, they’re not born as brown babies like Africans or Indians. Greeks get a lot more sun than Ashkenazis who reside in places like Central Europe/N. America. Ashkenazi who live in Israel are probably just as dark as Greeks though.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210602/911a42659383ccf62b239d2d5c23e9bf.jpg
Not true,lots of Semitic gulf people are born light brown-medium brown, but there also some born fair, but yes I suppose Ashkenazis in Israel would be darker.

[Dimitri159]

I think Ashkenazi Jews are lighter than Greeks but their facial features on average are not European. 80-90% look like ME + Euro mixes

Ashkenazi Jews barely look Semitic. I think most have a mix between Semitic and European features, but I notice more look European than they do Semitic:

https://static.timesofisrael.com/www/uploads/2019/03/F190307NRF35.jpg

https://crosscut.com/sites/default/files/styles/max_2000x2000/public/images/articles/190801_icerally_08.jpg?itok=oiap3Awo

https://media-cldnry.s-nbcnews.com/image/upload/newscms/2020_42/3420149/201014-think-anti-semitism-ultra-orthodox-covid-one-time-use-only-se-1257p-3420149.jpg

https://static.timesofisrael.com/www/uploads/2014/04/F140410YS12.jpg

https://www.jweekly.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/27479274_10157053038594863_488219795_o-e1527271783340.jpg

https://static.timesofisrael.com/www/uploads/2020/10/AP_20289812479385.jpg

https://static.972mag.com/www/uploads/2018/07/INN-embassy-protest-1000x668.jpg

https://www.jta.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/IfNotNow.jpg

Only a few “full Semitic” faces among all these Ashkenazis.

[Dimitri159]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210602/911a42659383ccf62b239d2d5c23e9bf.jpg
Not true,lots of Semitic gulf people are born light brown-medium brown, but there also some born fair, but yes I suppose Ashkenazis in Israel would be darker.

That image doesn’t prove that most Semitic groups are born brown (plus the lighting is dark). Search images of Syrian children/babies and you will see most of them are white/olive compared to the older crowd who are mostly brown.