In which country Gypsies are the best assimilated? Is there such?

[Roy]

Be it European or not. In most countries that have Gypsy / Roma population they are mostly unemployed, often manage on begging, welfare and theft. That is at least the case in Poland and Slovakia with ~50% of them if not more.

[Finnish Swede]

Romania? The country can not have high social security system => even gypsies are forced to do something.

[wvwvw]

They followed a nomadic lifestyle until recently, perhaps it is why they can't assimilate;

[ixulescu]

Romania? The country can not have high social security system => even gypsies are forced to do something.

Romania is somewhere in the middle in this respect, in the former Eastern block. Based on employment and average income gypsies in Czech Republic and Hungary are doing better.

[wvwvw]

Their cousins the Indians assimilate fairly well in the UK..perhaps because they stay put in a place;

[Seya]

Romania? The country can not have high social security system => even gypsies are forced to do something.

how are they assimilated? the large majority of gypsies here do not work. if by "doing something" you mean illegal stuff then yes..they're doing a lot of that.

[pajkosbalna]

Be it European or not. In most countries that have Gypsy / Roma population they are mostly unemployed, often manage on begging, welfare and theft. That is at least the case in Poland and Slovakia with ~50% of them if not more.

In Hungary its the same but i dont know exact statistics. The worst by this is the Eastern part of the country where unemployment rate is higher and avg income is lower by default

[mitalit]

I don't know but not in Spain

[Blondie]

simple anwer: there is no such country :thumb001: Gypsies are synonym of crime everywhere.

[Ion Basescul]

how are they assimilated? the large majority of gypsies here do not work. if by "doing something" you mean illegal stuff then yes..they're doing a lot of that.

Simply by looking at photos of regular working citizens in Romania, it is obvious that a lot of them are assimilated. How they choose to identify is another question.

[Ford]

United states maybe, they always struck me as at least semi-functional. In Europe probably one of the Nordic countries.

[Arsen_]

I'm not sure about what is meant by "the best assimilated", but I suppose that Armenians are the only people on Earth who have managed to fully assimilate two such problematic groups of the population as the Jews and the Gypsies and this happened despite the fact that both groups were quite numerous throughout the history in Armenia. And over that long history, they all became Christians, they took Armenian names and over time completely lost their former identity and became ordinary part of Armenian people. :)

[TheMaestro]

I'm not sure about what is meant by "the best assimilated", but I suppose that Armenians are the only people on Earth who have managed to fully assimilate two such problematic groups of the population as the Jews and the Gypsies and this happened despite the fact that both groups were quite numerous throughout the history in Armenia. And over that long history, they all became Christians, they took Armenian names and over time completely lost their former identity and became ordinary part of Armenian people. :)

Nothing to do with the topic, also there are numerous countries that did same.

[TheMaestro]

I know one Austrian gypsy he is an internet forum meme, that's his job.

[Arsen_]

Nothing to do with the topic, also there are numerous countries that did same.

I think that what I wrote to some extent has something to do with the topic and name the countries about which you said that they did the same, I would like to know these countries. :)

[JosephK]

United states maybe, they always struck me as at least semi-functional.

Not to mention the large numbers of them who passed themselves off as Romanian (among others) when entering the US and ended up leading reasonably normal lives. To some extent. At least their offspring after marrying gadje.
Of course, like any immigrant group, the simple act of immigrating means you're already willing and able to do something different with your life...

[El_Abominacion]

From their behaviour i've seen, I wouldn't expect any such country to exist

[Finnish Swede]

how are they assimilated? the large majority of gypsies here do not work. if by "doing something" you mean illegal stuff then yes..they're doing a lot of that.

They do not work here either (so I did not believe that).

As they turn 18 (become adults), they directly move to retirement life (disability etc.).
They do not pay taxes as they have no incomes (in papers), but they get money from society (all kinds of aids). Plus making crimes.

[щрбл]

Probably Spain or France.
Of course, I don't mean the new comers from EE but those who have been inhabiting these countries for many generations.
Also, they have produced some great musicians.

[ixulescu]

if you're curious about the current situation in Roma communities, EU compiles an annual report, check the Outcomes section:

https://eur-lex.europa.eu/resource.html?uri=cellar:96a20b39-d094-11e9-b4bf-01aa75ed71a1.0001.02/DOC_1&format=PDF

[Seya]

They do not work here either (so I did not believe that).

As they turn 18 (become adults), they directly move to retirement life (disability etc.).
They do not pay taxes as they have no incomes (in papers), but they get money from society (all kinds of aids). Plus making crimes.

same

[Ülev]

https://youtu.be/hytSS37nyDM

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bronis%C5%82awa_Wajs
https://urzadmiasta.zagan.pl/2020/08/06/kulturalny-tabor-w-zaganiu/
https://zpk.zagan.pl/kulturalny-tabor-plac-klasztorny-15-08/

[Jana]

Spain (Gitanos)?
I think gitanos are often artists, footballers and bullfighters and better assimilated than east euro Gypsies

Might be wrong though.

[Melki]

France, with no hesitation.

I'm not talking about the Roma who came from Romania and Bulgaria in recent years.
I'm talking about the Gypsies from the Camargue area. Most of them have a sedentary lifestyle and work for a living. Perhaps because they were given better chances to integrate in local society.

Their traditions represent an important part of provençale culture. The town of Saintes-Maries-de-la-Mer hosts an important Gypsy pilgrimage, a mix of religious tradition and carnival. Here Gypsies gather, light a candle and pray to their saint on the 24th May each year.


https://youtu.be/YDEFink7-yw

[Roy]

https://youtu.be/hytSS37nyDM

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bronis%C5%82awa_Wajs
https://urzadmiasta.zagan.pl/2020/08/06/kulturalny-tabor-w-zaganiu/
https://zpk.zagan.pl/kulturalny-tabor-plac-klasztorny-15-08/

I remember regular Gypsy Don Vasyl playback performances for Jaka To Melodia?. They were so awful but they bring childhood memories.

Those times are not coming back. :(

[Finnish Swede]

same

Gypsies steals TV (common waiting space)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ji6SxV01Jbg

Gypsies steals fuel (not paying)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3__bbPboCuQ

Gypsies steals spare parts

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wkqLdTPNBhc

[Seya]

Gypsies steals TV (common waiting space)
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Gypsies steals spare parts
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Trust me, i’ve seen it all.

[Finnish Swede]

Trust me, i’ve seen it all.


How much ethnic romanians will do crimes (like stealing) there?

[Seya]

How much ethnic romanians will do crimes (like stealing) there?

Oh they do, they had good teachers. But the proportion is significantly lower

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

Rather than a country, I would say that gypsies are better assimilated in the new world. Most of them have no distinct cultural presence and most people just think of gypsies as something exotic, mystic or occult kinda fortuneteller.

This forum is a good example of this, the majority of American members in here always have a softer or tolerant opinion regarding them because they do not experience living with these communities first hand.

[El_Abominacion]

Rather than a country, I would say that gypsies are better assimilated in the new world. Most of them have no distinct cultural presence and most people just think of gypsies as something exotic, mystic or occult kinda fortuneteller.

This forum is a good example of this, the majority of American members in here always have a softer or tolerant opinion regarding them because they do not experience living with these communities first hand.

Yeah from what i've seen new worlders tend to romanticise gypsies. What they don't see is them flinging their children in front of moving vehicles to scam for insurance

[Chaos One]

Rather than a country, I would say that gypsies are better assimilated in the new world. Most of them have no distinct cultural presence and most people just think of gypsies as something exotic, mystic or occult kinda fortuneteller.

This forum is a good example of this, the majority of American members in here always have a softer or tolerant opinion regarding them because they do not experience living with these communities first hand.

Makes sense. Brazilians for example never had any kind of proper hate history against Ciganos, except those women trying to "read your hand". There's even a popular singer who has gypsy heritage and uses it on his artistic name.

[Tommie]

I've always had the impression that Spain is probably the country in which Gypsies are best assimilated, but of course I could be wrong.

[Tauromachos]

Here in Greece there is both

Very well assimilated Gypsies and others who are not

[NSXD60]

Transylvania, near Castle Dracula. You wouldn't believe the business they make selling anti-vampire charms to the locals.

[Roy]

Trust me, i’ve seen it all.

In Poland they bring kids to shops which make mayhem, meanwhile Gypsy women and their offspring thieve.

[Roy]

Yeah from what i've seen new worlders tend to romanticise gypsies. What they don't see is them flinging their children in front of moving vehicles to scam for insurance

What?!

[El_Abominacion]

What?!

There's a video of it happening somewhere in Romania, also videos of them throwing their children at strangers on pubic transport, using them as weapons in fights etc. They seem to be fans of throwing their children