Levantine Christian intermarriage in Europe

[Dr_Maul]

Was it common, uncommon, rare or completely unheard of? I have a lot of GEDmatch kits which are 95% Germanic + 5% Druze or something. Is this just some sort of Ancient farmer ancestry, distant Jewish or actual Levantine (presumably Christian) ancestry?

[Kamal900]

Arab and non-Arab Christians of the Levant ironically are very endogamous when it comes to marriage with outsiders which is why immigrants from Europe have a much better chance in marrying with Levantine Muslims than with Christians which is why European admixtures in Levantines is found in Muslims not in Christians. The word, Levantine, was a term applied to Italian and French immigrants to the Levant where they mixed and assimilated with us which is true for the Greek migrants as well.

[Korovic]

levantine populations are : cypriot/cyprian from cyprus. lebanese christian, lebanese druze, lebanese muslim. samaritan, druze, kraite egypt. in the jewish categories the most levantine are : syrian jews lebanese jews and a mix of Iraqi and North african jews could be a combanation of a fully levantine population closer to cypriots.

less levantine are Palastinians, Jordanians, Iraqis, Assyrians, saudis and ofc Iranians.

if your ancestor is a pure levantine population seems to be more accurate to be Lebanese (not druze or jews) because those two groups doesnt mixed to much specially not in the levante in the last 1000 years. druze doesnt allow marriages with mans or womens from other religion. if someone do that he kicked out. and jews married just to a jews. in the middle east. so what is the chance ?

[Abdelnour]

It is Levantine muslims that have more European genes than Christians. Christians in the levant are either pure or sometimes mixed with Armenian.

There are exceptions, like myself.

[Dr_Maul]

Arab and non-Arab Christians of the Levant ironically are very endogamous when it comes to marriage with outsiders which is why immigrants from Europe have a much better chance in marrying with Levantine Muslims than with Christians which is why European admixtures in Levantines is found in Muslims not in Christians. The word, Levantine, was a term applied to Italian and French immigrants to the Levant where they mixed and assimilated with us which is true for the Greek migrants as well.

Ok, so how about in the reverse? If a Levantine person were to go to mainland Europe, then the chance of them marrying there is probably a lot higher if they are Christian right?

[Kamal900]

Ok, so how about in the reverse? If a Levantine person were to go to mainland Europe, then the chance of them marrying there is probably a lot higher if they are Christian right?

Hmm, I can't really say, but the Levantine Christians in Latin America are heavily mixed with the Whites of the region so I guess that it could be true in Europe as well.

[Leto]

Christian Lebanese, Palestinians and Syrians assimilate among whites much better than Muslims. In North and South America at least.

[Kamal900]

Christian Lebanese, Palestinians and Syrians assimilate among whites much better than Muslims. In North and South America at least.

True.

[Dr_Maul]

Hmm, I can't really say, but the Levantine Christians in Latin America are heavily mixed with the Whites of the region so I guess that it could be true in Europe as well.

Ok, thanks. I think I have some form of Lebanese or Jewish ancestor but I am not sure. I am trying to use my DNA relatives as a proxy to figure out where my Semitic side comes from more specifically

[gixajo]

I am practically convinced that any prejudice that there may be against Turks, MiddleEasterns ,Levantines or even North Africans, is more of a religious question than a racial one for most of Europeans.

By this I am not saying that there are no "racial" or cultural differences different from religion, but rather that the rejection comes mainly from the historical enemity between religions, I mean, between Christians and Muslims.

Do you think the same?

[Tannhauser]

Christian Lebanese, Palestinians and Syrians assimilate among whites much better than Muslims. In North and South America at least.

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[Kamal900]

I am practically convinced that any prejudice that there may be against Turks, MiddleEasterns ,Levantines or even North Africans, is more of a religious question than a racial one for most of Europeans.

By this I am not saying that there are no "racial" or cultural differences different from religion, but rather that the rejection comes mainly from the historical enemity between religions, I mean, between Christians and Muslims.

Do you think the same?

Well, when it comes to MENA Christians and Muslims, sure, but I don't think it applies to Christians belonging to a completely different races like Blacks for example. I mean, Southern Italians, esp Sicilians and the Maltese, seem to the most shifted towards the middle east genetically speaking which is why they cluster with Western Jewish peoples(Ashkenazi and Sephardic Jews), and not to mention that the EEF ancestry in Levantines for example is between 35 to 50% which is a European genetic component which modern day Sardinians score the highest. It's sort of a complex issue when it comes to different Caucasoid groups I think.

[Leto]

Some Caucasoid groups look pretty different from one another, regardless of religion. For example Armenians look vastly different from Russians on average.

[Aren]

It is Levantine muslims that have more European genes than Christians. Christians in the levant are either pure or sometimes mixed with Armenian.

There are exceptions, like myself.

I believe the extra Steppe in muslim Levantines is mainly from Iranians and Turks. Not from the crusades.