Most (...) Middle-Eastern/West Asian country pt. 2

[Kyp]

Extention of the thread:
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?330989-Top-3-(European-East-Asian-SSA-South-Asian)-Middle-Eastern-countries

This time: Meta-Ethnicity edition: Semitic, Arab, Iranic, Turkic, Caucasus etc..


Pool of West Asian/MiddleEastern countries:
Armenia
Azerbaijan
Bahrain
Egypt
Georgia
Iran
Iraq
Israel
Jordania
Kuwait
Lebanon
Oman
Palestine
Qatar
Saudi-Arabia
Syria
Turkey
Yemen


Answer in this style (if you do Top 5 even better):

Most Arabic:
1.
2.
3.
(4.)
(5.)

Turkic:
1.
2.
3.

Iranic:
1.
2.
3.

Caucasus:
1.
2.
3.

South European:
1.
2.
3.

North-European:
1.
2.
3.

Levantine:
1.
2.
3.

[Jana]

Most semitic/Arab - Jordan? - I think they may be purer than peninsular Arabs, proto-Arabs originated in Jordan area and peninsular Arabs have some SSA or eveb south Asian.

most Turkic - Turkey
most Med - Israel?
most north Euro - Turkey?
most Iranic - I'm not sure between Iran and Azerbaijan, will go with Iran because I think there is extra native Caucasus in Azerbaijan
most Levantine - Lebanon?
most Caucasus - Georgia

Not overly familiar with west Asia so I'll leave it only as what I think is top 1.

[Jana]

double

[Leto]

I find those labels (Semitic, Iranic, etc.) less interesting, 'cause they are rather linguistic.

[Bender1999]

Most Arabic

1)Jordania= I think a mix of Levantine/Gulf Arabs?
2)Saudi Arabia= some of them had over 40% SW-Asia, a Kuwait one had 60% but there big SSA/Iranic influences
3)Palestine= gere i am not sure
4)Lebanon =i think they have also Anatolian/Iranic and in some cases even a bit European influences. But nevertheless true Phoenicians
5)Yemen= i think a bit too much SSA influenced, i don’t think early Arabs were mire than 10% SSA

Turkic(Turkmens/Uzbeks as proxy)

1) Iran= same explanation like another thread
2) Turkey
3) Azerbaijan
4) Syria =again, i think we need Syrian Turkmen results, but i am optimistic about that, even non Turks show 5-10% Turkic
5) Iraq(maybe Israel too?)= generally i would say 5% Turkic, sone individuals can be up to 15%

Iranic(Iran as proxy)
1) Iran= i think we dont need to explain
2) Iraq = they are 50%Iranic and 50% arabic genetically, also big Iranic minorities like Kurds/Lurs
3) Azerbaijan= Iranic influenced + Iranic minorities
5) Turkey= some Turks are Iranic influenced, hole Eastern Anatolia is, i think most Iranics here are some Zazas, although they have various origins. Lets dont forget the Kurds

—> Azerbaijan/Iraq ranking is debatable
Caucasus

1) Georgia
2) Armenia
3) Azerbaijan
4) Turkey
5) Iran

Med

1) Lebanon= have high East Med+ visible West Med
2) Syria = same like Lebanon, but here more influences by other people
3) Israel = same like Syria
4) Palestine = same like Lebanon, visible Northafrican/SSA/„southern“Arabic influences
5) Jordania = same like Lebanon

North European
1) Georgia
2) Azerbaijan
3) Israel
4) Turkey
5) Iran

—> same like in the other thread

Levantine

Look to Med. i think Levantines

[Bender1999]

I find those labels (Semitic, Iranic, etc.) less interesting, 'cause they are rather linguistic.

I wouldn’t say that, in Iraq that would be true, but there are big abd significan differences between Saudis and Iran-Iranians.

I had this in my mind: https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?258491-Saudi-Arabian-Gedmatch

[FinalFlash]

Most Arabic

1)Jordania= I think a mix of Levantine/Gulf Arabs?
2)Saudi Arabia= some of them had over 40% SW-Asia, a Kuwait one had 60% but there big SSA/Iranic influences
3)Palestine= gere i am not sure
4)Lebanon =i think they have also Anatolian/Iranic and in some cases even a bit European influences. But nevertheless true Phoenicians
5)Yemen= i think a bit too much SSA influenced, i don’t think early Arabs were mire than 10% SSA

Turkic(Turkmens/Uzbeks as proxy)

1) Iran= same explanation like another thread
2) Turkey
3) Azerbaijan
4) Syria =again, i think we need Syrian Turkmen results, but i am optimistic about that, even non Turks show 5-10% Turkic
5) Iraq(maybe Israel too?)= generally i would say 5% Turkic, sone individuals can be up to 15%

Iranic(Iran as proxy)
1) Iran= i think we dont need to explain
2) Iraq = they are 50%Iranic and 50% arabic genetically, also big Iranic minorities like Kurds/Lurs
3) Azerbaijan= Iranic influenced + Iranic minorities
5) Turkey= some Turks are Iranic influenced, hole Eastern Anatolia is, i think most Iranics here are some Zazas, although they have various origins. Lets dont forget the Kurds


Caucasus

1) Georgia
2) Armenia
3) Azerbaijan
4) Turkey
5) Iran

Med

1) Lebanon= have high East Med+ visible West Med
2) Syria = same like Lebanon, but here more influences by other people
3) Israel = same like Syria
4) Palestine = same like Lebanon, visible Northafrican/SSA/„southern“Arabic influences
5) Jordania = same like Lebanon

North European
1) Georgia
2) Azerbaijan
3) Israel
4) Turkey
5) Iran

—> same like in the other thread

Levantine

Look to Med. i think Levantines

Agree with most of this except for the bit about Georgia. They have virtually no North Euro/Steppe admix to speak of.

[Dr_Maul]

Iranic(Iran as proxy)


Generally this is a good assessment

but my one disagreement is that Azerbaijan is more Iranian overall than Iraq
Genetically Iranic (Persian and Kurd) are closer to Azeris than Iraqi arabs. Not to mention big overlap between Iranian Azeri and Azeris

[Bender1999]

Generally this is a good assessment

but my one disagreement is that Azerbaijan is more Iranian overall than Iraq
Genetically Iranic (Persian and Kurd) are closer to Azeris than Iraqi arabs. Not to mention big overlap between Iranian Azeri and Azeris

Yes agree, i just thought they are too Caucasian shifted.

[Thracian]

Most Arabic

1)Jordania= I think a mix of Levantine/Gulf Arabs?
2)Saudi Arabia= some of them had over 40% SW-Asia, a Kuwait one had 60% but there big SSA/Iranic influences
3)Palestine= gere i am not sure
4)Lebanon =i think they have also Anatolian/Iranic and in some cases even a bit European influences. But nevertheless true Phoenicians
5)Yemen= i think a bit too much SSA influenced, i don’t think early Arabs were mire than 10% SSA

Turkic(Turkmens/Uzbeks as proxy)

1) Iran= same explanation like another thread
2) Turkey
3) Azerbaijan
4) Syria =again, i think we need Syrian Turkmen results, but i am optimistic about that, even non Turks show 5-10% Turkic
5) Iraq(maybe Israel too?)= generally i would say 5% Turkic, sone individuals can be up to 15%

Iranic(Iran as proxy)
1) Iran= i think we dont need to explain
2) Iraq = they are 50%Iranic and 50% arabic genetically, also big Iranic minorities like Kurds/Lurs
3) Azerbaijan= Iranic influenced + Iranic minorities
5) Turkey= some Turks are Iranic influenced, hole Eastern Anatolia is, i think most Iranics here are some Zazas, although they have various origins. Lets dont forget the Kurds


Caucasus

1) Georgia
2) Armenia
3) Azerbaijan
4) Turkey
5) Iran

Med

1) Lebanon= have high East Med+ visible West Med
2) Syria = same like Lebanon, but here more influences by other people
3) Israel = same like Syria
4) Palestine = same like Lebanon, visible Northafrican/SSA/„southern“Arabic influences
5) Jordania = same like Lebanon

North European
1) Georgia
2) Azerbaijan
3) Israel
4) Turkey
5) Iran

—> same like in the other thread

Levantine

Look to Med. i think Levantines

Turkey has millions of fully European Balkanites such as Pomaks, Albanians, Bosniaks, Torbeshi, Vlachs and so on and also predominantly European Balkan Turks. That number is around 20 million. Saying fully Caucasian and West Asian Georgia and Azerbaijan are more European than Turkey makes no sense. Even Israel is less European because as I mentioned Turkey holds fully European people.

[Bender1999]

Agree with most of this except for the bit about Georgia. They have virtually no North Euro/Steppe admix to speak of.

Yes, i saw many in another thread without even 10%, but there were too much results with significant European component, idk where that comes from?

[Kyp]

Generally this is a good assessment

but my one disagreement is that Azerbaijan is more Iranian overall than Iraq
Genetically Iranic (Persian and Kurd) are closer to Azeris than Iraqi arabs. Not to mention big overlap between Iranian Azeri and Azeris

It's close between Iraq and Azerbaijan because Iraq has large Kurdish population who is more Iranic than Azerbaijanis, but Azerbaijanis are more Iranic than Southern Iraqis.

In fact it's also close between Turkey and Azerbaijan as a whole.

[Bender1999]

Turkey has millions of fully European Balkanites such as Pomaks, Albanians, Bosniaks, Torbeshi, Vlachs and so on and also predominantly European Balkan Turks. That number is around 20 million. Saying fully Caucasian and West Asian Georgia and Azerbaijan are more European than Turkey makes no sense. Even Israel is less European because as I mentioned Turkey holds fully European people.

This Balkan Turks live in areas where many migrants from whole Turkey do live. Finding non mixed Balkan Turk would be very hard, i agree there are many with significant Euro admix, but as whole i would say they are 7-15% at average. I think not just the numbers are important, also the proportions. You cant compare 80 million state with not even 4 million populated state.

[Kyp]

My list:

Most Arabic:
1. Saudi-Arabia
2. Jordania
3. Kuwait
(4.) Oman
(5.) Yemen

Turkic:
1. Turkey
2. Azerbaijan
3. Iran
4. Iraq
5. Syria

Iranic:
1. Iran
2. Iraq
3. Azerbaijan
4. Turkey
5. Kuwait

Caucasus:
1. Georgia
2. Armenia
3. Azerbaijan
4. Turkey
5. Iran

Mediterranean (South European):
1. Israel
2. Turkey
3. Lebanon
4. Armenia
5. Palestine


North-European:
1. Israel
2. Turkey
3. Azerbaijan
4. Iran
5. Georgia

Levantine:
1. Lebanon
2. Palestine
3. Israel
4. Syria
5. Jordania

[Kyp]

Edit: I've meant South European with Mediterranean actually

[mergen3]

Turkic:
Turkey
Med:
İsrael
North European:
Turkey
Caucasus:
Georgia

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[vellas]

My list:

Most Arabic:
1. Saudi-Arabia
2. Jordania
3. Kuwait
(4.) Oman
(5.) Yemen

Turkic:
1. Turkey
2. Azerbaijan
3. Iran
4. Iraq
5. Syria

Iranic:
1. Iran
2. Azerbaijan
3. Turkey
4. Iraq
5. Kuwait

Caucasus:
1. Georgia
2. Armenia
3. Azerbaijan
4. Turkey
5. Iran

Mediterranean (South European):
1. Israel
2. Turkey
3. Lebanon
4. Armenia
5. Palestine


North-European:
1. Israel
2. Turkey
3. Azerbaijan
4. Iran
5. Georgia

Levantine:
1. Lebanon
2. Palestine
3. Israel
4. Syria
5. Jordania

Surprised that Israel isn't in Turkic. I thought Ashkenazim were of Khazar extract. :)

It's arousing interest how Azerbaijan is a close ally to Israel but not Turkey. What could be the reason?

[FinalFlash]

Yes, i saw many in another thread without even 10%, but there were too much results with significant European component, idk where that comes from?

They must've have been mixed. Otherwise, Georgians are virtually 0% steppe/n european

[Kyp]

Surprised that Israel isn't in Turkic. I thought Ashkenazim were of Khazar extract. :)

It's arousing interest how Azerbaijan is a close ally to Israel but not Turkey. What could be the reason?

1. Azerbaijanis have pretty good views on Jews in general, Azerbaijanis are less religious than Turkey on average and don't care about situation of muslims in Israel.
2. Geopolitical reasons, common enemies etc. I think Armenia has good relations with Iran and Russia..

[vellas]

1. Azerbaijanis have pretty good views on Jews in general, Azerbaijanis are less religious than Turkey on average and don't care about situation of muslims in Israel.
2. Geopolitical reasons, common enemies etc. I think Armenia has good relations with Iran and Russia..

Azerbaijan and Iran don't have good relations?

[Kyp]

Azerbaijan and Iran don't have good relations?

No they dont. Iran always had good relations with Armenia. Also Iran would prefer Azerbaijan to be gone as they see a potential threat to their integrity in it.

On top of that there are disputes concerning history. Iran views Azerbaijanis as just part of Greater Iran, while Azerbaijanis view themselves as the rulers of Iran (Seljuk, Qoyunlu, Safavid, Afsharid, Qajar). The truth lies somwhere in the middle.

There has been some steps taken to improve the situation, but not very sucessfully.

[Narration]

Most Arabic:
- Saudi Arabia
- Kuwait
- United Arab Emirates

Turkic:
- Turkey
- Azerbaijan
- Iran

Iranic:
- Iran
- Azerbaijan
- Iraq

Caucasus:
- Georgia
- Armenia
- Azerbaijan

South European:
- Turkey
- Israel
- Lebanon

North-European:
- Georgia
- Turkey
- Israel

Levantine:
- Lebanon
- Israel
- Palestine

[Thracian]

This Balkan Turks live in areas where many migrants from whole Turkey do live. Finding non mixed Balkan Turk would be very hard, i agree there are many with significant Euro admix, but as whole i would say they are 7-15% at average. I think not just the numbers are important, also the proportions. You cant compare 80 million state with not even 4 million populated state.

You do not know even what you are talking about.

What do you mean non mixed Balkan Turk?

You would have clearly seen even Anatolian Turks are more European than Georgians if you already saw DNA results. We are talking about genetics here, not the culture. Georgians are pure Caucasians and they cluster with West Asians not Europeans.