87,5% French 12,5% Ukrainian

[dududud]

One of his grandparents is Ukrainian.

The results show that, contrary to what is said, even one great-grandparents of different origins can have a significant impact on the person's autosomal, even if the person is "predominantly French", l his contribution may well bring him closer to other populations (in his case, not so mutch).

When I saw the results of this guy, I asked if he would not have an ancestor from Eastern Europe ... which is the case, because it is obvious.

Ukrainians and Polak are very different from the French (North, Central and South) in genetic terms, so having such a foreign contribution to France is detectable by Gedmatch (this would also be the case for other foreign origin, but sometimes it is less visible, for example I know an individual who has a grandfather from Piedmont and at the level of his gedmatch results, I see little or no difference with a French from Central and South-east).


His french ancestors are from here:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/07/Yonne-Position.svg

K13
1 North_Atlantic 40.44
2 Baltic 21.05
3 West_Med 20.27
4 East_Med 9.13
5 West_Asian 5.25
6 Red_Sea 1.9
7 Siberian 1.08
8 Amerindian 0.39
9 Oceanian 0.25
10 South_Asian 0.16
11 Sub-Saharan 0.1

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 French 4.14
2 South_Dutch 5.87
3 West_German 6.02
4 Austrian 10.01
5 Spanish_Cataluna 10.28
6 Spanish_Galicia 10.91
7 Portuguese 11.2
8 Southeast_English 11.39
9 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 11.49
10 East_German 11.83
11 Southwest_French 12.02
12 Spanish_Cantabria 12.31
13 Southwest_English 12.48
14 Spanish_Valencia 12.88
15 Spanish_Extremadura 12.97
16 Spanish_Murcia 13
17 North_German 13.02
18 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 13.4
19 Orcadian 13.43
20 Hungarian 13.77

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 60.3% Austrian + 39.7% Spanish_Aragon @ 1.33
2 74.9% North_German + 25.1% Sardinian @ 1.71
3 55.3% Austrian + 44.7% Spanish_Cantabria @ 1.87
4 56.3% East_German + 43.7% Spanish_Aragon @ 1.91
5 87.4% South_Dutch + 12.6% Sardinian @ 1.95
6 57.5% Austrian + 42.5% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 2.04
7 53.6% Spanish_Cataluna + 46.4% East_German @ 2.06
8 87.1% French + 12.9% Ukrainian @ 2.07
9 50.7% Austrian + 49.3% Spanish_Cataluna @ 2.12
10 53.2% East_German + 46.8% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 2.13
11 86.7% French + 13.3% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 2.15
12 90.8% French + 9.2% Erzya @ 2.21
13 89.9% French + 10.1% Kargopol_Russian @ 2.22
14 84% French + 16% Croatian @ 2.23
15 87.3% West_German + 12.7% Sardinian @ 2.24
16 86.4% French + 13.6% South_Polish @ 2.26
17 88% French + 12% Polish @ 2.29
18 89.3% French + 10.7% Southwest_Russian @ 2.31
19 89.5% French + 10.5% Estonian_Polish @ 2.31
20 89.4% French + 10.6% Russian_Smolensk @ 2.34


k15
1 Atlantic 26.42
2 North_Sea 25.29
3 West_Med 15.63
4 Baltic 11.92
5 Eastern_Euro 7.44
6 East_Med 6.52
7 West_Asian 4.49
8 Red_Sea 1.45
9 Siberian 0.54
10 Amerindian 0.25
11 Oceanian 0.05

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 French 4.51
2 South_Dutch 6.09
3 Spanish_Cataluna 8.7
4 Spanish_Galicia 9.34
5 West_German 9.49
6 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 10.02
7 Portuguese 10.08
8 East_German 10.23
9 Southwest_English 10.68
10 Austrian 10.95
11 Spanish_Extremadura 11.45
12 Spanish_Murcia 11.54
13 North_German 11.76
14 Southeast_English 11.87
15 Spanish_Cantabria 11.93
16 Southwest_French 12.08
17 Spanish_Valencia 12.6
18 Hungarian 12.88
19 Serbian 12.94
20 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 13.22

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 54.2% Spanish_Cataluna + 45.8% East_German @ 1.71
2 76% North_German + 24% Sardinian @ 1.76
3 53.2% East_German + 46.8% Spanish_Murcia @ 2.4
4 50.6% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + 49.4% East_German @ 2.4
5 68.5% Spanish_Cataluna + 31.5% Southwest_Finnish @ 2.61
6 87% South_Dutch + 13% Sardinian @ 2.63
7 54.8% Spanish_Andalucia + 45.2% Swedish @ 2.72
8 74.6% French + 25.4% Austrian @ 2.72
9 71.8% Spanish_Cataluna + 28.2% Finnish @ 2.76
10 81.5% French + 18.5% Croatian @ 2.77
11 58.6% East_German + 41.4% Spanish_Aragon @ 2.83
12 56.8% East_German + 43.2% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 2.85
13 87.2% French + 12.8% Russian_Smolensk @ 2.85
14 56.2% Spanish_Andalucia + 43.8% North_Swedish @ 2.88
15 53% East_German + 47% Spanish_Extremadura @ 2.89
16 55.6% East_German + 44.4% Spanish_Valencia @ 2.91
17 88.2% French + 11.8% Estonian_Polish @ 2.93
18 50.4% Portuguese + 49.6% East_German @ 2.93
19 88.3% French + 11.7% Belorussian @ 2.96
20 68.3% Spanish_Cataluna + 31.7% North_Swedish @ 2.98

https://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2020/35/4/1598501619-gge0q0nl.jpg

He's clust a little closer to the Flemish than my father, who is mainly from the North of France.


My father, in comparaison:
https://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2020/35/4/1598501755-jds0cwi6.jpg

His K13
1 North_Atlantic 51.99
2 West_Med 17.65
3 Baltic 15.18
4 East_Med 7.36
5 West_Asian 4.01
6 East_Asian 1.73
7 Oceanian 0.82
8 Sub-Saharan 0.62
9 Red_Sea 0.56
10 South_Asian 0.07

[dududud]

I add (just in case, because I know the reaction of some people from Apricity) that his 20% of West-Med is in no way strange for France, even North-Central, since my father is mainly from the North from France and he obtains 17%, which is not far from the 20. Just as his slight east-med could come from his French part.
Don't forget that even Northern French, if I put aside a certain part of Brittany, have about 10-15% more Neolithic intake than the English (for example). So, no wonder.

What is most obvious is the Baltic part which is not in the French average.

[17571imre]

amazing that it can detect that little bit of Ukrainian with the combination of French.

[WeirdLookingFellow]

Quite impressed actually that it picked it up.

Though we shouldn't expect that results such as mine (from signature) are necessarily accurate, this is a situation of very contrasting ancestry (French and Ukrainian).

[Chris596]

Very interesting, this seems to be the case for me as well. It happens that I get 87,5% Hungarian + 12,5% Armenian or something like this on GEDmatch. (My usual mix is 50% Southeast Euro/Balkan + 50% East Euro)

[dududud]

Quite impressed actually that it picked it up.

Though we shouldn't expect that results such as mine (from signature) are necessarily accurate, this is a situation of very contrasting ancestry (French and Ukrainian).

Gedmatch manages to detect contributions which are quite distinct from the main contribution (here French), especially when it is a question of relatively homogeneous population (with a very specific genetics).

[Lucas]

You should have at least million or two similar results in France as many Poles emigrated to NE France and were assimilated to French body. Ukranians were in minority comparing to it.

[Chris596]

You should have at least million or two similar results in France as many Poles emigrated to NE France and were assimilated to French body. Ukranians were in minority comparing to it.

When? Do you refer to WW2 here? I only know about the mass migrations of Jews and Poles to France during WW2.

[Leto]

You should have at least million or two similar results in France as many Poles emigrated to NE France and were assimilated to French body. Ukranians were in minority comparing to it.
"White" Russians too (anti-Bolshevik after 1917). Anyway, that person is fully French to me, 1/8 or less is unimportant in my view.

[dududud]

You should have at least million or two similar results in France as many Poles emigrated to NE France and were assimilated to French body. Ukranians were in minority comparing to it.

Assimilation (= to make similar) does not exist: a pure French is not the same as a type which is mainly French with recent foreign origins. There are the pure French (Français de souche) and the others.

As for the Poles: I have only met very few of them, and most were indeed mixed (Polish grandfather or great-grandfather), but for me they are not pure French, but mostly French, genealogically and genetically speaking (that's the difference).

You will not see descendants of Poles in certain villages in the North of France, because there has never been any immigration from these populations. The descendants of Poles are located in some towns.

I believe that some foreigners have a tendency to deny the existence of an indigenous population, especially when they are anti-racists (like some Poles, who have been brainwashed by cosmopolitan propaganda and degenerate).

[dududud]

"White" Russians too (anti-Bolshevik after 1917). Anyway, that person is fully French to me, 1/8 or less is unimportant in my view.

It's no wonder from you, who assumes that a guy who is half Pakistani and English is "European".

Reality is reality: a guy who has a Ukrainian great-grandfather is not like a pure French (like my father) who has been French for 700 years. You have the native population and the others. The term "fully French" attached to "Ukrainian great-grandfather" is contradictory, you do not seem to notice this contradictory.

Genetically speaking, you can see his Ukrainian influence: 20% Baltic. Not a French percentage. That's the reality, you can accept it or not, but that's the reality.

You can also say that a guy who has a Congolese (nigger) great-grandfather is "pure French", which makes no sense from a genealogical and genetic point of view. But I know the concept of reality is weird to some.

If you deny the truth, there is absolutely nothing I can do for you. Mental illness (denial of reality) is a psychological problem.

[Leto]

It's no wonder from you, who assumes that a guy who is half Pakistani and English is "European".

Reality is reality: a guy who has a Ukrainian great-grandfather is not like a pure French (like my father) who has been French for 700 years. You have the native population and the others. The term "fully French" attached to "Ukrainian great-grandfather" is contradictory, you do not seem to notice this contradictory.

Genetically speaking, you can see his Ukrainian influence: 20% Baltic. Not a French percentage. That's the reality, you can accept it or not, but that's the reality.

You can also say that a guy who has a Congolese (nigger) great-grandfather is "pure French", which makes no sense from a genealogical and genetic point of view. But I know the concept of reality is weird to some.

If you deny the truth, there is absolutely nothing I can do for you. Mental illness (denial of reality) is a psychological problem.
I never said the Pakistani thing, you're making shit up as we speak. It's you that is weird here. You claimed Northern or Eastern Europeans are Mongoloid or something. I guess that's because you are swarthy with dark hair and eyes and don't look like Northern Euros.
Yes, that guy is French for all intents and purposes. I'm not denying anything here but culturally and ethnically he is French because he was born in France just like his parents and (most of) his grandparents. Just a French guy with a Ukrainian ancestor. Assimilation is a reality.

[Lucas]

When? Do you refer to WW2 here? I only know about the mass migrations of Jews and Poles to France during WW2.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poles_in_France


Poles in France form one of the largest Polish diaspora communities in Europe. About one million people of Polish descent live in France, concentrated in the Nord-Pas de Calais region, in the metropolitan area of Lille, the coal-mining basin (Bassin Minier) around Lens and Valenciennes and in the Ile-de-France.

[calxpal]

Thanks for sharing =) It's interesting to compare these results with my dads who's 50% French Canadian and 50% Ukrainian :).

[Scandal]

This works if and only if his French ancestry was avarage French genetically. If someone like me or Chris (neither of us are avarage hungarian according to k13) breeds with a German the offspring shouldn't be expecting a 50-50 german-hungarian split on k13.

[Scandal]

I never said the Pakistani thing, you're making shit up as we speak. It's you that is weird here. You claimed Northern or Eastern Europeans are Mongoloid or something. I guess that's because you are swarthy with dark hair and eyes and don't look like Northern Euros.
Yes, that guy is French for all intents and purposes. I'm not denying anything here but culturally and ethnically he is French because he was born in France just like his parents and (most of) his grandparents. Just a French guy with a Ukrainian ancestor. Assimilation is a reality.

Tons of "White Frenchmen" are euromutts (mixed with italians, spaniards, portuguese, polish, german etc). If I remember currectly the guy you're quoting is part Polish himself, but I may be mistaking him for another French user.

[Aren]

20-21% Baltic on Eurogenes K13 is nothing out of the ordinary for a regular French.

[Leto]

Tons of "White Frenchmen" are euromutts (mixed with italians, spaniards, portuguese, polish, german etc). If I remember currectly the guy you're quoting is part Polish himself, but I may be mistaking him for another French user.
He is quarter Sardinian, not Polish. But since Sardinia to France isn't Burundi or Cambodia and since he was born and bred in France speaking French, he is French to me. In my opinion being 3/4 something is enough to be accepted as full. More so if it's a less distant type of ethnicity.

[Leto]

20-21% Baltic on Eurogenes K13 is nothing out of the ordinary for a regular French.
Yeah, even if it's not the average for some or most regions, it is far from impossible either.

[Defcon2]

20-21% Baltic on Eurogenes K13 is nothing out of the ordinary for a regular French.

The French average is 17.49, it is a little above but not is extreme.

[Aren]

Yeah, even if it's not the average for some or most regions, it is far from impossible either.

20% Baltic is for sure the average in most of France north of Poitiers. In Normandy and the Northeast it's probably even higher.

[Leto]

By Peterski


FRA_Central,42.40,18.28,20.55,4.81,9.80,1.59,0.49, 0.26,0.36,0.46,0.37,0.38,0.24
FRA_Alsace,40.65,22.72,16.81,6.48,9.58,1.60,0.39,0 .47,0.25,0.36,0.27,0.16,0.26
FRA_Armorica,48.53,22.11,15.45,5.52,4.38,1.00,1.19 ,0.25,0.31,0.59,0.29,0.22,0.17
FRA_Belgica,43.27,20.59,17.19,6.01,8.41,1.49,0.81, 0.36,0.38,0.48,0.30,0.27,0.43
FRA_Septimania,41.77,14.33,26.39,2.70,10.79,1.43,0 .55,0.18,0.26,0.58,0.53,0.33,0.17
FRA_Provence,35.19,14.10,22.05,6.40,17.59,2.34,0.3 6,0.26,0.26,0.40,0.37,0.42,0.24
FRA_Aquitania,48.61,8.24,32.74,0.95,5.49,1.52,0.92 ,0.35,0.26,0.27,0.31,0.20,0.14

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?323241-French-Regional-Averages-by-Peterski

[gixajo]

It's no wonder from you, who assumes that a guy who is half Pakistani and English is "European".

Reality is reality: a guy who has a Ukrainian great-grandfather is not like a pure French (like my father) who has been French for 700 years. You have the native population and the others. The term "fully French" attached to "Ukrainian great-grandfather" is contradictory, you do not seem to notice this contradictory.

Genetically speaking, you can see his Ukrainian influence: 20% Baltic. Not a French percentage. That's the reality, you can accept it or not, but that's the reality.

You can also say that a guy who has a Congolese (nigger) great-grandfather is "pure French", which makes no sense from a genealogical and genetic point of view. But I know the concept of reality is weird to some.

If you deny the truth, there is absolutely nothing I can do for you. Mental illness (denial of reality) is a psychological problem.

I will say a truth that you cannot deny: your father has not been French for 700 years.;)

Joking apart, And by not taking your phrase literally, it is impossible for you or anyone in the world to have a list of absolutely all the people who have contributed their genetic inheritance to anyone.

If you mean your father's first surname, it might be so, but your father's first surname only represents a small percentage of all his ancestors,even assuming there was not a single infidelity for 700 years, which is practically impossible

In these issues that we deal with, as almost the majority, I would recommend that you stop being so rigid and absolute in your statements, and begin to relativize, or that, or stop talking about truths, and speak better, about thay you would like it to be true.

[Leto]

I've never attacked the OP but looks like Rocinante and Samnium were right about him. This is still not an attack though.

[Samnium]

I've never attacked the OP but looks like Rocinante and Samnium were about him. This is still not an attack though.

I haven't understood :confused:

[Scandal]

He is quarter Sardinian, not Polish. But since Sardinia to France isn't Burundi or Cambodia and since he was born and bred in France speaking French, he is French to me. In my opinion being 3/4 something is enough to be accepted as full. More so if it's a less distant type of ethnicity.

I remember the guy. Some years ago he claimed he was "part picard part polish part sardinian" etc. Maybe I'm confusing him for another user, but i doubt that's the case.