The four corners of Europe, G25 model (Scaled coordinates).

[gixajo]

Simple model with new references made for the ocassion.:)

For fun.

https://vahaduo.github.io/vahaduo/

NorthWest_Europe,=Shetlandic,+Icelandic,+Orcadian,
NorthEast_Europe,=Russian_Voronez,+Ukrainian,+Russ ian_Orel,
SouthWest_Europe,=NorthWest_Iberia,+North_Iberia,+ NorthEast_Iberia,+SouthWest_Iberia,+SouthEast_Iber ia,
SouthEast_Europe=Greek:Islander(Kos+Cyrpus)+Macedo nian+Greek_Central_Macedonia,+Greek_Thessaly


NorthWest_Europe,0.1325593,0.1337507,0.0638800,0.0 508907,0.0394997,0.0199777,0.0031217,0.0057113,0.0 037393,-0.0007613,-0.0054230,0.0055750,-0.0099407,-0.0108430,0.0222443,0.0036457,-0.0109377,0.0022727,0.0024637,0.0005757,0.0058040, 0.0025773,0.0010957,0.0142847,0.0009677
NorthEast_Europe,0.1310153,0.1214563,0.0711987,0.0 603063,0.0356400,0.0220150,0.0089957,0.0116723,-0.0034180,-0.0234717,-0.0007067,-0.0075860,0.0157850,0.0231097,-0.0123050,-0.0018747,0.0027710,-0.0005210,0.0028207,0.0022073,-0.0037993,-0.0040860,0.0049800,-0.0048143,-0.0007887
SouthWest_Europe,0.1127253,0.1464038,0.0406260,-0.0010165,0.0449500,-0.0025714,-0.0027779,0.0015101,0.0246433,0.0325341,-0.0026677,0.0075804,-0.0142454,-0.0123391,0.0108006,-0.0001258,-0.0041015,-0.0006735,-0.0030864,-0.0014932,0.0036968,-0.0019572,-0.0022307,-0.0031847,0.0014280
SouthEast_Europe,0.1168672,0.1439147,0.0075187,-0.0235787,0.0165243,-0.0061066,0.0025563,0.0000703,-0.0000882,0.0123834,0.0017905,0.0018742,-0.0016914,0.0064181,-0.0128488,-0.0009988,0.0065265,0.0002924,0.0041233,-0.0039529,-0.0074012,0.0008815,0.0023408,0.0002892,-0.0016262

[Impaler]

Target: Impaler_scaled
Distance: 4.0255% / 0.04025460
73.4 SouthEast_Europe
13.4 NorthEast_Europe
13.2 NorthWest_Europe

[Grace O'Malley]

Target: Grace_scaled
Distance: 1.8951% / 0.01895102
100.0 NorthWest_Europe

Distance to: Grace_scaled
0.01895102 NorthWest_Europe
0.07492537 NorthEast_Europe
0.08516971 SouthWest_Europe
0.11791329 SouthEast_Europe

[Chris596]

Looks good I get my usual South/North Euro mix.

Target: Chris_scaled
Distance: 2.2095% / 0.02209543
47.6 NorthEast_Europe
42.4 SouthEast_Europe
10.0 SouthWest_Europe

Distance to: Chris_scaled
0.06548629 SouthEast_Europe
0.06625521 NorthEast_Europe
0.07176455 SouthWest_Europe
0.07337192 NorthWest_Europe
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Target: ChrisFather
Distance: 4.6393% / 0.04639299
69.0 SouthEast_Europe
31.0 NorthEast_Europe

Distance to: ChrisFather
0.06012387 SouthEast_Europe
0.08232131 SouthWest_Europe
0.09698954 NorthEast_Europe
0.10342407 NorthWest_Europe

[gixajo]

Target: gixajo_scaled
Distance: 1.8355% / 0.01835481
93.8 SouthWest_Europe
6.2 NorthWest_Europe

Target: gixajo_scaled
Distance: 1.8384% / 0.01838444 | ADC: 0.25x
95.0 SouthWest_Europe
5.0 NorthWest_Europe
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Target: gixajo_dad_scaled
Distance: 2.1293% / 0.02129324
93.0 SouthWest_Europe
7.0 SouthEast_Europe

Target: gixajo_dad_scaled
Distance: 2.1319% / 0.02131934 | ADC: 0.25x
94.6 SouthWest_Europe
5.4 SouthEast_Europe
**************************************************
Target: gixajo_mom_scaled
Distance: 2.2738% / 0.02273821
83.2 SouthWest_Europe
16.8 NorthWest_Europe

Target: gixajo_mom_scaled
Distance: 2.2769% / 0.02276949 | ADC: 0.25x
84.6 SouthWest_Europe
15.4 NorthWest_Europe

Distances:

Distance to: gixajo_scaled
0.01904680 SouthWest_Europe
0.07617862 SouthEast_Europe
0.07793914 NorthWest_Europe
0.11415776 NorthEast_Europe

Distance to: gixajo_dad_scaled
0.02184111 SouthWest_Europe
0.06896751 SouthEast_Europe
0.09304096 NorthWest_Europe
0.12590619 NorthEast_Europe

Distance to: gixajo_mom_scaled
0.02651716 SouthWest_Europe
0.07093491 NorthWest_Europe
0.08562870 SouthEast_Europe
0.11113669 NorthEast_Europe

[Pedro Ruben]

Target: Pedro_scaled
Distance: 3.5640% / 0.03563988
87.8 SouthWest_Europe
9.6 SouthEast_Europe
2.6 NorthEast_Europe

[Rocinante]

Distance: 3.0929% / 0.03092911 | ADC: 0.5x
67.8 SouthWest_Europe
32.2 SouthEast_Europe

[Ion Basescul]

Simple model with new refrences made for the ocassion.:)

For fun.

https://vahaduo.github.io/vahaduo/

NorthWest_Europe,=Shetlandic,+Icelandic,+Orcadian,
NorthEast_Europe,=Russian_Voronez,+Ukrainian,+Russ ian_Orel,
SouthWest_Europe,=NorthWest_Iberia,+North_Iberia,+ NorthEast_Iberia,+SouthWest_Iberia,+SouthEast_Iber ia,
SouthEast_Europe=Greek:Islander(Kos+Cyrpus)+Macedo nian+Greek_Central_Macedonia,+Greek_Thessaly

[/code]

Northeast should be something like Mordvin/Erzya, Mari, Komi and Russians.

But in any case, here's my run:

Target: IonBasescul_23andme+LivingDNA
Distance: 3.3007% / 0.03300680
50.6 NorthEast_Europe
44.0 SouthEast_Europe
5.4 NorthWest_Europe


Distance to: IonBasescul_23andme+LivingDNA
0.06497977 NorthEast_Europe
0.07351865 NorthWest_Europe
0.07526866 SouthEast_Europe
0.08241374 SouthWest_Europe

[gixajo]

Looks good I get my usual South/North Euro mix.

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Practically 50% Slav and 50% Balkans.


Target: Grace_scaled
Distance: 1.8951% / 0.01895102
100.0 NorthWest_Europe


What a surprise...;)

[mitalit]

Target: Xabier_scaled
Distance: 2.5620% / 0.02561965
73.4 SouthWest_Europe
16.4 NorthWest_Europe
10.2 SouthEast_Europe

[gixajo]

Northeast should be something like Mordvin/Erzya, Mari, Komi and Russians.

Yeah, but in this model NorthEast is aproximately a modern Slav reference.

But I have in my mind made a similar model but with 2 references for every corner.

[andre]

Target: Andrei_scaled
Distance: 2.5937% / 0.02593730
54.6 SouthEast_Europe
36.2 NorthEast_Europe
9.2 SouthWest_Europe

It’s ok, usually i score 30-40% slavic.

[Chris596]

Interestingly, my FTDNA report said that I'm ~25 Northeast European and around ~55% Southeast European. There was also a ,,West and Central Europe'' category, which was 18%. So I guess in my case almost all of it is something Central European, really Slavic like? (comes from my mother I'm sure).

[InfamousAngel99]

Distance: 0.6077% / 0.00607688
75.4 NorthWest_Europe
11.4 SouthWest_Europe
7.6 NorthEast_Europe
5.6 SouthEast_Europe

[Defcon2]

Target: Juan_scaled
Distance: 3.3106% / 0.03310623
97.0 SouthWest_Europe
3.0 SouthEast_Europe

[Luke35]

Target: Mr.G_scaled
Distance: 1.3822% / 0.01382157
54.2 NorthWest_Europe
27.8 SouthEast_Europe
18.0 NorthEast_Europe

[gixajo]

Seeing all our results, it´s not a bad model, although its simplicity.

[Freeroostah]

Target: VangosH_scaled
Distance: 2.4117% / 0.02411724
90.0 SouthEast_Europe
6.6 NorthEast_Europe
3.4 SouthWest_Europe

[gixajo]

Distance list under 2 for every reference:
NW
Distance to: NorthWest_Europe
0.00747640 Scottish
0.00852484 Orcadian
0.00916078 Irish
0.01053945 Icelandic
0.01092437 Shetlandic
0.01249527 Dutch
0.01276030 English
0.01337293 Welsh
0.01337533 Norwegian
0.01512197 Danish
0.01516257 English_Cornwall
0.01986101 Swedish
NE
Distance to: NorthEast_Europe
0.00587214 Russian_Orel
0.00607909 Russian_Voronez
0.00701551 Ukrainian
0.01226613 Russian_Kursk
0.01432732 Polish
0.01555217 Cossack_Ukrainian
0.01575789 Belarusian
0.01579906 Russian_Smolensk
SW (Sorry, but I am Spanish and Iberians have a lot of refrences in datasheet)
Distance to: SouthWest_Europe
0.00747186 Spanish_Valencia
0.00848949 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha
0.00867232 Spanish_Galicia
0.00930030 Spanish_Andalucia
0.00957445 Spanish_Alacant
0.01100865 Spanish_Cataluna
0.01155377 Spanish_Aragon
0.01242290 Portuguese
0.01266096 Spanish_Eivissa
0.01279397 Spanish_Pirineu
0.01348201 Spanish_Peri-Barcelona
0.01385111 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
0.01392919 Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona
0.01398848 Spanish_Murcia
0.01429071 Spanish_Lleida
0.01430665 Spanish_Terres_de_l'Ebre
0.01478958 Spanish_Castello
0.01513257 Spanish_Extremadura
0.01537336 Spanish_Cantabria
0.01629122 Spanish_Mallorca
0.01648730 Spanish_Girona
0.01654100 Spanish_Baleares
0.01656355 Spanish_Barcelones
0.01670606 Spanish_Penedes
0.01701108 Spanish_Navarra

...and more:rolleyes:

SE
Distance to: SouthEast_Europe
0.01379676 Greek_Central_Macedonia
0.01412090 Greek_Thessaly
0.01751818 Greek_Peloponnese
0.01842303 Albanian
0.01858943 Greek_Izmir

[Coastal Elite]

Target: DacoCeltic_scaled
Distance: 1.7319% / 0.01731880
61.2 NorthWest_Europe
38.8 SouthEast_Europe

Distance to: DacoCeltic_scaled
0.04724395 NorthWest_Europe
0.05819299 SouthWest_Europe
0.07173637 SouthEast_Europe
0.07843951 NorthEast_Europe

[paradox]

Target: scaled
Distance: 1.4230% / 0.01422986
87.8 SouthEast_Europe
12.2 NorthEast_Europe


My father

Target: Father_scaled
Distance: 2.2931% / 0.02293147
62.0 SouthEast_Europe
27.8 NorthEast_Europe
5.6 NorthWest_Europe
4.6 SouthWest_Europe

[alnortedelsur]

Target: Alnortedelsur_scaled
Distance: 6.9374% / 0.06937445
72.8 SouthWest_Europe
25.6 SouthEast_Europe
1.6 NorthEast_Europe

Distance to: Alnortedelsur_scaled
0.07180823 SouthWest_Europe
0.08671800 SouthEast_Europe
0.11169428 NorthWest_Europe
0.13240506 NorthEast_Europe

[Adamm]

Are these coordinates custom made?

[gixajo]

Are these coordinates custom made?

Yes, this is why I add how i did every reference:


NorthWest_Europe,=Shetlandic,+Icelandic,+Orcadian,
NorthEast_Europe,=Russian_Voronez,+Ukrainian,+Russ ian_Orel,
SouthWest_Europe,=NorthWest_Iberia,+North_Iberia,+ NorthEast_Iberia ,+SouthWest_Iberia,+SouthEast_Iberia,
SouthEast_Europe=Greek:Islander(Kos+Cyrpus)+Macedo nian+Greek_Centr al_Macedonia,+Greek_Thessaly

[Dunai]

Target: Dunai
Distance: 2.1944% / 0.02194359
47.8 NorthEast_Europe
24.4 NorthWest_Europe
20.8 SouthEast_Europe
7.0 SouthWest_Europe

Distance to: Dunai
0.04920834 NorthEast_Europe
0.05084736 NorthWest_Europe
0.07903774 SouthWest_Europe
0.08873304 SouthEast_Europe

[gixajo]

Are these coordinates custom made?

Can you try this one if you want, the NA reference is new.

NorthAfrica,=Moroccan,+Algerian,+Tunisian,

Do you think add Mozabites to this average could be a good idea or I left the reference as it is just now?


NorthAfrica,-0.0673137,0.1314590,-0.0116907,-0.0712517,0.0206577,-0.0312307,-0.0239980,0.0074100,0.0542707,0.0230963,0.0068190,-0.0077440,0.0248620,-0.0128367,0.0141237,-0.0078340,-0.0032800,-0.0154520,-0.0330237,0.0072563,-0.0099777,-0.0268773,0.0190723,-0.0015783,0.0024743
NorthWest_Europe,0.1325593,0.1337507,0.0638800,0.0 508907,0.0394997,0.0199777,0.0031217,0.0057113,0.0 037393,-0.0007613,-0.0054230,0.0055750,-0.0099407,-0.0108430,0.0222443,0.0036457,-0.0109377,0.0022727,0.0024637,0.0005757,0.0058040, 0.0025773,0.0010957,0.0142847,0.0009677
NorthEast_Europe,0.1310153,0.1214563,0.0711987,0.0 603063,0.0356400,0.0220150,0.0089957,0.0116723,-0.0034180,-0.0234717,-0.0007067,-0.0075860,0.0157850,0.0231097,-0.0123050,-0.0018747,0.0027710,-0.0005210,0.0028207,0.0022073,-0.0037993,-0.0040860,0.0049800,-0.0048143,-0.0007887
SouthWest_Europe,0.1127253,0.1464038,0.0406260,-0.0010165,0.0449500,-0.0025714,-0.0027779,0.0015101,0.0246433,0.0325341,-0.0026677,0.0075804,-0.0142454,-0.0123391,0.0108006,-0.0001258,-0.0041015,-0.0006735,-0.0030864,-0.0014932,0.0036968,-0.0019572,-0.0022307,-0.0031847,0.0014280
SouthEast_Europe,0.1168672,0.1439147,0.0075187,-0.0235787,0.0165243,-0.0061066,0.0025563,0.0000703,-0.0000882,0.0123834,0.0017905,0.0018742,-0.0016914,0.0064181,-0.0128488,-0.0009988,0.0065265,0.0002924,0.0041233,-0.0039529,-0.0074012,0.0008815,0.0023408,0.0002892,-0.0016262

[Rocinante]

Can you try this one if you want, the NA reference is new.

NorthAfrica,=Moroccan,+Algerian,+Tunisian,

Do you think add Mozabites to this average could be a good idea or I left the reference as it is just now?


NorthAfrica,-0.0673137,0.1314590,-0.0116907,-0.0712517,0.0206577,-0.0312307,-0.0239980,0.0074100,0.0542707,0.0230963,0.0068190,-0.0077440,0.0248620,-0.0128367,0.0141237,-0.0078340,-0.0032800,-0.0154520,-0.0330237,0.0072563,-0.0099777,-0.0268773,0.0190723,-0.0015783,0.0024743
NorthWest_Europe,0.1325593,0.1337507,0.0638800,0.0 508907,0.0394997,0.0199777,0.0031217,0.0057113,0.0 037393,-0.0007613,-0.0054230,0.0055750,-0.0099407,-0.0108430,0.0222443,0.0036457,-0.0109377,0.0022727,0.0024637,0.0005757,0.0058040, 0.0025773,0.0010957,0.0142847,0.0009677
NorthEast_Europe,0.1310153,0.1214563,0.0711987,0.0 603063,0.0356400,0.0220150,0.0089957,0.0116723,-0.0034180,-0.0234717,-0.0007067,-0.0075860,0.0157850,0.0231097,-0.0123050,-0.0018747,0.0027710,-0.0005210,0.0028207,0.0022073,-0.0037993,-0.0040860,0.0049800,-0.0048143,-0.0007887
SouthWest_Europe,0.1127253,0.1464038,0.0406260,-0.0010165,0.0449500,-0.0025714,-0.0027779,0.0015101,0.0246433,0.0325341,-0.0026677,0.0075804,-0.0142454,-0.0123391,0.0108006,-0.0001258,-0.0041015,-0.0006735,-0.0030864,-0.0014932,0.0036968,-0.0019572,-0.0022307,-0.0031847,0.0014280
SouthEast_Europe,0.1168672,0.1439147,0.0075187,-0.0235787,0.0165243,-0.0061066,0.0025563,0.0000703,-0.0000882,0.0123834,0.0017905,0.0018742,-0.0016914,0.0064181,-0.0128488,-0.0009988,0.0065265,0.0002924,0.0041233,-0.0039529,-0.0074012,0.0008815,0.0023408,0.0002892,-0.0016262

Distance: 2.6126% / 0.02612601 | ADC: 0.25x
60.8 SouthWest_Europe
29.0 SouthEast_Europe
6.8 NorthAfrica
3.4 NorthEast_Europe

[altaic]

There is only one corner for me!

https://i.ibb.co/zPJKW4C/m-IVAOg0-d.jpg

Target: Altaic_scaled
Distance: 8.4246% / 0.08424618
100.0 SouthEast_Europe

Distance to: Altaic_scaled
0.08424618 SouthEast_Europe
0.13925634 SouthWest_Europe
0.16784907 NorthWest_Europe
0.17287390 NorthEast_Europe
0.21672693 NorthAfrica

[gixajo]

Distance: 2.6126% / 0.02612601 | ADC: 0.25x
e

Target: gixajo_scaled
Distance: 1.8354% / 0.01835396
93.8 SouthWest_Europe
6.0 NorthWest_Europe
0.2 NorthEast_Europe
0.0 NorthAfrica
0.0 SouthEast_Europe

Target: gixajo_dad_scaled
Distance: 2.0754% / 0.02075412
92.4 SouthWest_Europe
5.4 SouthEast_Europe
2.2 NorthAfrica
0.0 NorthEast_Europe
0.0 NorthWest_Europe

Target: gixajo_mom_scaled
Distance: 2.2738% / 0.02273821
83.2 SouthWest_Europe
16.8 NorthWest_Europe
0.0 NorthAfrica
0.0 NorthEast_Europe
0.0 SouthEast_Europe

[Bosniensis]

Target: Bosniensis_scaled
Distance: 2.0400% / 0.02039988
52.8 SouthEast_Europe
46.2 NorthEast_Europe
1.0 SouthWest_Europe

[Jana]

Target: Stearsolina_scaled
Distance: 3.2878% / 0.03287811

60.0 NorthEast_Europe
23.6 SouthEast_Europe
16.4 SouthWest_Europe

[Jana]

Target: Stears_scaled
Distance: 1.8347% / 0.01834737

47.6 NorthEast_Europe
31.4 SouthEast_Europe
21.0 NorthWest_Europe

[Adamm]

Can you try this one if you want, the NA reference is new.

NorthAfrica,=Moroccan,+Algerian,+Tunisian,

Do you think add Mozabites to this average could be a good idea or I left the reference as it is just now?


NorthAfrica,-0.0673137,0.1314590,-0.0116907,-0.0712517,0.0206577,-0.0312307,-0.0239980,0.0074100,0.0542707,0.0230963,0.0068190,-0.0077440,0.0248620,-0.0128367,0.0141237,-0.0078340,-0.0032800,-0.0154520,-0.0330237,0.0072563,-0.0099777,-0.0268773,0.0190723,-0.0015783,0.0024743
NorthWest_Europe,0.1325593,0.1337507,0.0638800,0.0 508907,0.0394997,0.0199777,0.0031217,0.0057113,0.0 037393,-0.0007613,-0.0054230,0.0055750,-0.0099407,-0.0108430,0.0222443,0.0036457,-0.0109377,0.0022727,0.0024637,0.0005757,0.0058040, 0.0025773,0.0010957,0.0142847,0.0009677
NorthEast_Europe,0.1310153,0.1214563,0.0711987,0.0 603063,0.0356400,0.0220150,0.0089957,0.0116723,-0.0034180,-0.0234717,-0.0007067,-0.0075860,0.0157850,0.0231097,-0.0123050,-0.0018747,0.0027710,-0.0005210,0.0028207,0.0022073,-0.0037993,-0.0040860,0.0049800,-0.0048143,-0.0007887
SouthWest_Europe,0.1127253,0.1464038,0.0406260,-0.0010165,0.0449500,-0.0025714,-0.0027779,0.0015101,0.0246433,0.0325341,-0.0026677,0.0075804,-0.0142454,-0.0123391,0.0108006,-0.0001258,-0.0041015,-0.0006735,-0.0030864,-0.0014932,0.0036968,-0.0019572,-0.0022307,-0.0031847,0.0014280
SouthEast_Europe,0.1168672,0.1439147,0.0075187,-0.0235787,0.0165243,-0.0061066,0.0025563,0.0000703,-0.0000882,0.0123834,0.0017905,0.0018742,-0.0016914,0.0064181,-0.0128488,-0.0009988,0.0065265,0.0002924,0.0041233,-0.0039529,-0.0074012,0.0008815,0.0023408,0.0002892,-0.0016262

Target: Adam_Scaled
Distance: 4.1380% / 0.04138046
82.4 NorthAfrica
17.6 SouthWest_Europe


For me mozabites are not a good reference, Moroccan_North is I think the best reference for me.

[Lucas]

Target: Lukasz_scaled
Distance: 3.0207% / 0.03020670
100.0 NorthEast_Europe

[Bessarion]

Target: Bojan_scaled
Distance: 2.1266% / 0.02126551 | ADC: 0.25x
39.0 NorthEast_Europe
32.4 SouthEast_Europe
28.6 NorthWest_Europe

Target: Bojan_scaled
Distance: 2.1247% / 0.02124671
39.0 NorthEast_Europe
33.2 SouthEast_Europe
27.8 NorthWest_Europe

[gixajo]

There is only one corner for me!

[g]



Maybe this help to make distances lower.

Iranian=Iranian_Fars,+Iranian_Lor,
Turkic,=Turkmen,+Turkmen_Uzbekistan,
North_Caucasus,=Ingushian,+Tabasaran,+Adygei,+Chec hen,
South_Caucasus=Armenian,(Armenian,+Armenian_Hemshe ni)+Georgian,(Georgian_Imer,+Georgian_Laz)
Turkish,=Turkish_Northwest,+Turkish_South,+Turkish _Southwest,+Turkish_Central,




Iran,0.08819270,0.10113475,-0.06562890,-0.02964950,-0.04627995,-0.00295545,0.00468410,-0.00464850,-0.02821040,-0.01373640,0.00216160,-0.00098600,0.00418345,-0.00166035,0.00498295,0.01070660,-0.00466300,0.00281875,0.00398130,-0.00991535,-0.00093175,-0.00418420,-0.00039000,-0.00518885,0.00490625
Turkic,0.08279575,-0.04872655,-0.00773435,-0.00521585,-0.04090210,-0.00345510,0.00827315,0.00604885,-0.01586195,-0.01025075,-0.00767745,-0.00170265,0.00110940,-0.00557500,0.00308635,0.00607450,-0.00259560,0.00098765,-0.00011860,-0.00280345,-0.00721875,-0.00283710,-0.00430805,-0.00055895,0.00290500
North_Caucasus,0.1118315,0.1024153,-0.0287335,-0.0090908,-0.0356423,0.0042915,0.0086275,-0.0047280,-0.0549838,-0.0298180,-0.0004145,0.0068230,-0.0156533,-0.0030655,0.0105975,-0.0093328,0.0040275,-0.0036700,-0.0081430,0.0127298,0.0042930,0.0017125,0.0033763, 0.0023808,-0.0027710
South_Caucasus,0.1067264,0.1363757,-0.0581747,-0.0559139,-0.0331286,-0.0121737,0.0080243,-0.0058783,-0.0475088,-0.0101576,0.0016182,0.0074542,-0.0146538,0.0036951,-0.0037905,-0.0124577,0.0073158,-0.0018122,-0.0030135,0.0068889,0.0059410,0.0024363,-0.0016627,-0.0060699,-0.0005444
NorthWest_Europe,0.1325593,0.1337507,0.0638800,0.0 508907,0.0394997,0.0199777,0.0031217,0.0057113,0.0 037393,-0.0007613,-0.0054230,0.0055750,-0.0099407,-0.0108430,0.0222443,0.0036457,-0.0109377,0.0022727,0.0024637,0.0005757,0.0058040, 0.0025773,0.0010957,0.0142847,0.0009677
NorthEast_Europe,0.1310153,0.1214563,0.0711987,0.0 603063,0.0356400,0.0220150,0.0089957,0.0116723,-0.0034180,-0.0234717,-0.0007067,-0.0075860,0.0157850,0.0231097,-0.0123050,-0.0018747,0.0027710,-0.0005210,0.0028207,0.0022073,-0.0037993,-0.0040860,0.0049800,-0.0048143,-0.0007887
SouthWest_Europe,0.1127253,0.1464038,0.0406260,-0.0010165,0.0449500,-0.0025714,-0.0027779,0.0015101,0.0246433,0.0325341,-0.0026677,0.0075804,-0.0142454,-0.0123391,0.0108006,-0.0001258,-0.0041015,-0.0006735,-0.0030864,-0.0014932,0.0036968,-0.0019572,-0.0022307,-0.0031847,0.0014280
SouthEast_Europe,0.1168672,0.1439147,0.0075187,-0.0235787,0.0165243,-0.0061066,0.0025563,0.0000703,-0.0000882,0.0123834,0.0017905,0.0018742,-0.0016914,0.0064181,-0.0128488,-0.0009988,0.0065265,0.0002924,0.0041233,-0.0039529,-0.0074012,0.0008815,0.0023408,0.0002892,-0.0016262
Turkish,0.09640925,0.06378650,-0.02045625,-0.03320250,-0.02308875,-0.01185625,0.00550450,-0.00071725,-0.01859325,-0.00091900,-0.00156250,0.00106575,-0.00297950,0.00045875,-0.00413350,0.00206750,0.00507075,0.00100425,0.0012 1175,-0.00008175,-0.00320775,0.00049575,-0.00238325,0.00046100,0.00063825

[Damião de Góis]

Target: Gil_Vicente
Distance: 2.5274% / 0.02527375
84.0 SouthWest_Europe
10.2 SouthEast_Europe
5.8 NorthWest_Europe

[gixajo]

For me mozabites are not a good reference, Moroccan_North is I think the best reference for me.

And adding those 2?

Arabian,=Saudi,+(Yemenite_Al_Jawf,+Yemenite_Mahra, )
Levantine=(Levant_Yehud_IBA,+Levant_Ashkelon_IA1,) +Palestinian_Beit_Sahour



NorthAfrica,-0.0673137,0.1314590,-0.0116907,-0.0712517,0.0206577,-0.0312307,-0.0239980,0.0074100,0.0542707,0.0230963,0.0068190,-0.0077440,0.0248620,-0.0128367,0.0141237,-0.0078340,-0.0032800,-0.0154520,-0.0330237,0.0072563,-0.0099777,-0.0268773,0.0190723,-0.0015783,0.0024743
NorthWest_Europe,0.1325593,0.1337507,0.0638800,0.0 508907,0.0394997,0.0199777,0.0031217,0.0057113,0.0 037393,-0.0007613,-0.0054230,0.0055750,-0.0099407,-0.0108430,0.0222443,0.0036457,-0.0109377,0.0022727,0.0024637,0.0005757,0.0058040, 0.0025773,0.0010957,0.0142847,0.0009677
NorthEast_Europe,0.1310153,0.1214563,0.0711987,0.0 603063,0.0356400,0.0220150,0.0089957,0.0116723,-0.0034180,-0.0234717,-0.0007067,-0.0075860,0.0157850,0.0231097,-0.0123050,-0.0018747,0.0027710,-0.0005210,0.0028207,0.0022073,-0.0037993,-0.0040860,0.0049800,-0.0048143,-0.0007887
SouthWest_Europe,0.1127253,0.1464038,0.0406260,-0.0010165,0.0449500,-0.0025714,-0.0027779,0.0015101,0.0246433,0.0325341,-0.0026677,0.0075804,-0.0142454,-0.0123391,0.0108006,-0.0001258,-0.0041015,-0.0006735,-0.0030864,-0.0014932,0.0036968,-0.0019572,-0.0022307,-0.0031847,0.0014280
SouthEast_Europe,0.1168672,0.1439147,0.0075187,-0.0235787,0.0165243,-0.0061066,0.0025563,0.0000703,-0.0000882,0.0123834,0.0017905,0.0018742,-0.0016914,0.0064181,-0.0128488,-0.0009988,0.0065265,0.0002924,0.0041233,-0.0039529,-0.0074012,0.0008815,0.0023408,0.0002892,-0.0016262


Arabian,0.05059585,0.13995270,-0.06513990,-0.11723870,-0.00940130,-0.04997380,-0.01229238,-0.00808298,0.05608075,-0.00410653,0.01556333,-0.03192903,0.06243548,0.00350273,0.00455410,0.0252 5745,-0.02140830,0.00386218,0.00015448,0.02687405,0.0126 3658,0.01614353,-0.00905183,0.00697205,-0.00832413
Levantine,0.08970675,0.15220263,-0.04970895,-0.08630155,-0.00821318,-0.02909195,-0.00308430,-0.00400938,0.01374138,0.01814400,0.00735825,-0.00407470,0.00702445,0.00651988,-0.00855050,0.00501358,-0.00108388,0.00259705,0.00276545,0.00053945,-0.00321313,0.00803751,0.00093205,0.00186763,0.0012 6450

[Scandal]

Eurogenes K13(I don't have G25)
source:

Irish,52.23,24.02,12.39,6.32,1.41,0.82,1.09,0.09,0 .03,0.99,0.33,0.18,0.10
Greek_Peloponnese,18.56,14.36,21.06,15.04,24.24,5. 05,0,0.57,0.29,0.28,0.17,0,0.32
Russian_Smolensk,28.16,48.47,8.74,5.82,3.83,1.69,1 .38,0.17,0.85,0.43,0.38,0.06,0.01
Portuguese,38.54,11.51,25.32,2.43,13.90,3.63,0.42, 0.14,0.25,0.44,0.67,1.72,1.04

Result:

Target: Universe(hungarian)
Distance: 6.1377% / 6.13774640
71.2 Russian_Smolensk
16.2 Greek_Peloponnese
12.6 Portuguese
Adding futher source populations to decrease the distance:

Irish,52.23,24.02,12.39,6.32,1.41,0.82,1.09,0.09,0 .03,0.99,0.33,0.18,0.10
Greek_Peloponnese,18.56,14.36,21.06,15.04,24.24,5. 05,0,0.57,0.29,0.28,0.17,0,0.32
Russian_Smolensk,28.16,48.47,8.74,5.82,3.83,1.69,1 .38,0.17,0.85,0.43,0.38,0.06,0.01
Portuguese,38.54,11.51,25.32,2.43,13.90,3.63,0.42, 0.14,0.25,0.44,0.67,1.72,1.04
Algerian_Jewish,12.58,3.47,22.86,10.35,37.03,7.63, 0.75,0.51,0.27,0.00,0.43,2.22,1.91
Italian_Jewish,15.54,2.81,21.20,10.89,38.45,7.05,0 .14,0.70,0.21,0.27,0.88,1.82,0.06
Swiss-Italian,35.93,15.27,24.19,4.23,16.97,2.3,0.12,0,0. 26,0.36,0.13,0.24,0
Belorussian,29.37,49.40,7.59,3.87,4.98,1.44,0.97,0 .18,1.32,0.18,0.38,0.20,0.13

Result:

Target: Universe(hungarian)
Distance: 2.6400% / 2.64003434
74.4 Belorussian
15.4 Italian_Jewish
10.2 Swiss-Italian

[alnortedelsur]

Gixajo gave me (by PM) some additional references to shorten my distances, and these are my results when we include those references:

Target: Alnortedelsur_scaled
Distance: 2.4050% / 0.02405035
67.0 SouthWest_Europe
20.4 SouthEast_Europe
7.4 Amerindian
5.2 SSA

Target: Alnortedelsur_scaled
Distance: 2.5742% / 0.02574195 | ADC: 0.25x
70.6 SouthWest_Europe
18.6 SouthEast_Europe
6.4 Amerindian
4.4 SSA

Distance to: Alnortedelsur_scaled
0.07180823 SouthWest_Europe
0.08671800 SouthEast_Europe
0.11169428 NorthWest_Europe
0.13240506 NorthEast_Europe
0.57103004 Amerindian
0.70151842 SSA:B

Credits to him :)

[gixajo]

Target: Adam_Scaled
Distance: 4.1380% / 0.04138046
82.4 NorthAfrica
17.6 SouthWest_Europe


For me mozabites are not a good reference, Moroccan_North is I think the best reference for me.

Algerian average use to be quite strange also(at least Algerian Berber in datasheet is), maybe Moroccan+Tunisian would have been enough for you or the Berber average I made times ago:

Berber=MAR_ERR,+MAR_TIZ,+Tunisia_Chen,+Tunisia_Sen


Berber,-0.06548320,0.13410613,-0.00816420,-0.07538218,0.02581348,-0.03472953,-0.02944445,0.00831648,0.06752790,0.02796198,0.0070 7855,-0.00796418,0.02308645,-0.01552258,0.01677808,-0.01294335,-0.00285148,-0.02166338,-0.04415378,0.01019313,-0.01565483,-0.03933808,0.02467100,-0.00293920,0.00493865

[someonenotyou]

Target:
Distance: 1.5600% / 0.01559951
39.0 NorthWest_Europe
33.4 SouthEast_Europe
27.6 NorthEast_Europe

[Adamm]

Algerian average use to be quite strange also(at least Algerian Berber in datasheet is), maybe Moroccan+Tunisian would have been enough for you or the Berber average I made times ago:

Berber=MAR_ERR,+MAR_TIZ,+Tunisia_Chen,+Tunisia_Sen


Berber,-0.06548320,0.13410613,-0.00816420,-0.07538218,0.02581348,-0.03472953,-0.02944445,0.00831648,0.06752790,0.02796198,0.0070 7855,-0.00796418,0.02308645,-0.01552258,0.01677808,-0.01294335,-0.00285148,-0.02166338,-0.04415378,0.01019313,-0.01565483,-0.03933808,0.02467100,-0.00293920,0.00493865

This one is better:

Target: Adam_Scaled
Distance: 2.6646% / 0.02664557
80.6 NorthAfrica
10.2 SouthEast_Europe
9.2 SouthWest_Europe

But MAR_ERR and TIZ are southern Moroccan samples, some of them are heavily SSA.

[calxpal]

Target: cpalscaled
Distance: 2.9939% / 0.02993914
55.4 NorthWest_Europe
22.4 SouthEast_Europe
19.6 NorthEast_Europe
2.6 SouthWest_Europe

Distance to: cpalscaled
0.04382651 NorthWest_Europe
0.06624281 NorthEast_Europe
0.07289130 SouthWest_Europe
0.09034920 SouthEast_Europe

[alnortedelsur]

Adding a Northern African reference:

Target: Alnortedelsur_scaled
Distance: 2.2253% / 0.02225309
65.4 SouthWest_Europe
15.2 SouthEast_Europe
8.6 NorthAfrica
7.6 Amerindian
3.0 SSA
0.2 NorthWest_Europe

Target: Alnortedelsur_scaled
Distance: 2.4083% / 0.02408311 | ADC: 0.25x
68.6 SouthWest_Europe
12.4 SouthEast_Europe
10.4 NorthAfrica
6.8 Amerindian
1.8 SSA

Target: Alnortedelsur_scaled
Distance: 3.5943% / 0.03594322 | ADC: 0.5x
76.0 SouthWest_Europe
12.2 NorthAfrica
7.2 SouthEast_Europe
4.6 Amerindian

Distance to: Alnortedelsur_scaled
0.07180823 SouthWest_Europe
0.08671800 SouthEast_Europe
0.11169428 NorthWest_Europe
0.13240506 NorthEast_Europe
0.18250690 NorthAfrica
0.57103004 Amerindian
0.70151842 SSA:B

Credits again to Gixajo.

[gixajo]

This one is better:

Target: Adam_Scaled
Distance: 2.6646% / 0.02664557
80.6 NorthAfrica
10.2 SouthEast_Europe
9.2 SouthWest_Europe

But MAR_ERR and TIZ are southern Moroccan samples, some of them are heavily SSA.

And Tunisia samples have usually many European input (same than moroccan North), so they compensate between them.

You can always suggest me a new average when you want.

[mitalit]

And adding those 2?

Arabian,=Saudi,+(Yemenite_Al_Jawf,+Yemenite_Mahra, )
Levantine=(Levant_Yehud_IBA,+Levant_Ashkelon_IA1,) +Palestinian_Beit_Sahour



NorthAfrica,-0.0673137,0.1314590,-0.0116907,-0.0712517,0.0206577,-0.0312307,-0.0239980,0.0074100,0.0542707,0.0230963,0.0068190,-0.0077440,0.0248620,-0.0128367,0.0141237,-0.0078340,-0.0032800,-0.0154520,-0.0330237,0.0072563,-0.0099777,-0.0268773,0.0190723,-0.0015783,0.0024743
NorthWest_Europe,0.1325593,0.1337507,0.0638800,0.0 508907,0.0394997,0.0199777,0.0031217,0.0057113,0.0 037393,-0.0007613,-0.0054230,0.0055750,-0.0099407,-0.0108430,0.0222443,0.0036457,-0.0109377,0.0022727,0.0024637,0.0005757,0.0058040, 0.0025773,0.0010957,0.0142847,0.0009677
NorthEast_Europe,0.1310153,0.1214563,0.0711987,0.0 603063,0.0356400,0.0220150,0.0089957,0.0116723,-0.0034180,-0.0234717,-0.0007067,-0.0075860,0.0157850,0.0231097,-0.0123050,-0.0018747,0.0027710,-0.0005210,0.0028207,0.0022073,-0.0037993,-0.0040860,0.0049800,-0.0048143,-0.0007887
SouthWest_Europe,0.1127253,0.1464038,0.0406260,-0.0010165,0.0449500,-0.0025714,-0.0027779,0.0015101,0.0246433,0.0325341,-0.0026677,0.0075804,-0.0142454,-0.0123391,0.0108006,-0.0001258,-0.0041015,-0.0006735,-0.0030864,-0.0014932,0.0036968,-0.0019572,-0.0022307,-0.0031847,0.0014280
SouthEast_Europe,0.1168672,0.1439147,0.0075187,-0.0235787,0.0165243,-0.0061066,0.0025563,0.0000703,-0.0000882,0.0123834,0.0017905,0.0018742,-0.0016914,0.0064181,-0.0128488,-0.0009988,0.0065265,0.0002924,0.0041233,-0.0039529,-0.0074012,0.0008815,0.0023408,0.0002892,-0.0016262


Arabian,0.05059585,0.13995270,-0.06513990,-0.11723870,-0.00940130,-0.04997380,-0.01229238,-0.00808298,0.05608075,-0.00410653,0.01556333,-0.03192903,0.06243548,0.00350273,0.00455410,0.0252 5745,-0.02140830,0.00386218,0.00015448,0.02687405,0.0126 3658,0.01614353,-0.00905183,0.00697205,-0.00832413
Levantine,0.08970675,0.15220263,-0.04970895,-0.08630155,-0.00821318,-0.02909195,-0.00308430,-0.00400938,0.01374138,0.01814400,0.00735825,-0.00407470,0.00702445,0.00651988,-0.00855050,0.00501358,-0.00108388,0.00259705,0.00276545,0.00053945,-0.00321313,0.00803751,0.00093205,0.00186763,0.0012 6450


Target: Xabier_scaled
Distance: 2.5481% / 0.02548054
70.6 SouthWest_Europe
18.4 NorthWest_Europe
9.6 SouthEast_Europe
1.4 NorthAfrica

[Adamm]

And Tunisia samples have usually many European input (same than moroccan North), so they compensate between them.

You can always suggest me a new average when you want.

Could you make an average with these samples:


Berber_Zenatan,-0.01935,0.138112,-0.001131,-0.069445,0.026159,-0.04016,-0.027026,0.003692,0.065243,0.021504,0.001949,-0.010641,0.021556,-0.014038,0.016829,-0.011668,0.004694,-0.02027,-0.04148,0.007879,-0.010731,-0.037838,0.021322,-0.011809,0.005029
Moroccan_North:MNA1,-0.020488,0.131003,0.002263,-0.070737,0.02462,-0.034582,-0.025851,-0.003923,0.06238,0.027518,0.003085,-0.008992,0.023191,-0.007707,0.009093,-0.016176,0.00339,-0.019763,-0.04412,0.007879,-0.009358,-0.032397,0.017871,-0.001325,-0.000479
Mozabite:HGDP01263,-0.027318,0.137096,-0.004525,-0.071706,0.029236,-0.033188,-0.024441,0.011076,0.062789,0.032802,0.004547,-0.006444,0.015461,-0.01734,0.012893,-0.012596,0.004042,-0.01837,-0.043492,0.011631,-0.015098,-0.035859,0.021322,-0.001807,0.006107
Berber_ALG_Chaoui,-0.025041,0.145221,-0.011314,-0.072675,0.033852,-0.032351,-0.028436,0.002308,0.06422,0.0277,0.004222,-0.003447,0.014866,-0.016928,0.014251,-0.010209,0.004042,-0.01989,-0.041857,0.004877,-0.009608,-0.0413,0.025266,0.003253,0.006945

[gixajo]

Could you make an average with these samples:

Ok, but take into account that we must make valid references for all Moroccans, not only references that fit you well, because maybe tomorrow will come new Moroccan members and this reference is not valid for them.

Anyway in future models with many references, I can add also this reference and others. :thumb001:

[Adamm]

Ok, but take into account that we must make valid references for all Moroccans, not only references that fit you well, because maybe tomorrow will come new Moroccan members and this reference is not valid for them.

Anyway in future models with many references, I can add also this reference and others. :thumb001:

Haha I understand, these references are probably a bit biased. How do you make average samples btw?

[Coastal Elite]

Target: DacoCeltic_scaled
Distance: 1.7319% / 0.01731880
61.2 NorthWest_Europe
38.8 SouthEast_Europe

Distance to: DacoCeltic_scaled
0.04724395 NorthWest_Europe
0.05819299 SouthWest_Europe
0.07173637 SouthEast_Europe
0.07843951 NorthEast_Europe

Mom

Target: Daco_mom_scaled
Distance: 1.6281% / 0.01628098
97.8 NorthWest_Europe
2.2 NorthEast_Europe

Dad

Target: Dad
Distance: 3.4353% / 0.03435295
74.6 SouthEast_Europe
15.0 NorthWest_Europe
10.4 NorthEast_Europe

[gixajo]

Could you make an average with these samples:

Change the name if you want.


Moroccan:forAdamm,-0.0230493,0.1378580,-0.0036768,-0.0711408,0.0284668,-0.0350703,-0.0264385,0.0032883,0.0636580,0.0273810,0.0034508,-0.0073810,0.0187685,-0.0140033,0.0132665,-0.0126623,0.0040420,-0.0195733,-0.0427373,0.0080665,-0.0111988,-0.0368485,0.0214453,-0.0029220,0.0044005

Target: Moroccan:forAdamm
Distance: 0.0000% / 0.00000018
25.0 Berber_ALG_Chaoui
25.0 Berber_Zenatan
25.0 Moroccan_North
25.0 Mozabite

[gixajo]

Haha I understand, these references are probably a bit biased. How do you make average samples btw?

Using a table similar to Excell, but in my case, not is not a Microsoft software.

[gixajo]

Haha I understand, these references are probably a bit biased. How do you make average samples btw?

I wouldn´t call it biased strictly, they are good references for modern Moroccans, I mean, that sometimes people choose references selecting the samples with the closest distance to themselves, and doing this sometimes result in samples that are not very representative for the majority of their compatriots.

I say this from my own experience.:picard1:

[Pedro Ruben]

And adding those 2?

Arabian,=Saudi,+(Yemenite_Al_Jawf,+Yemenite_Mahra, )
Levantine=(Levant_Yehud_IBA,+Levant_Ashkelon_IA1,) +Palestinian_Beit_Sahour



NorthAfrica,-0.0673137,0.1314590,-0.0116907,-0.0712517,0.0206577,-0.0312307,-0.0239980,0.0074100,0.0542707,0.0230963,0.0068190,-0.0077440,0.0248620,-0.0128367,0.0141237,-0.0078340,-0.0032800,-0.0154520,-0.0330237,0.0072563,-0.0099777,-0.0268773,0.0190723,-0.0015783,0.0024743
NorthWest_Europe,0.1325593,0.1337507,0.0638800,0.0 508907,0.0394997,0.0199777,0.0031217,0.0057113,0.0 037393,-0.0007613,-0.0054230,0.0055750,-0.0099407,-0.0108430,0.0222443,0.0036457,-0.0109377,0.0022727,0.0024637,0.0005757,0.0058040, 0.0025773,0.0010957,0.0142847,0.0009677
NorthEast_Europe,0.1310153,0.1214563,0.0711987,0.0 603063,0.0356400,0.0220150,0.0089957,0.0116723,-0.0034180,-0.0234717,-0.0007067,-0.0075860,0.0157850,0.0231097,-0.0123050,-0.0018747,0.0027710,-0.0005210,0.0028207,0.0022073,-0.0037993,-0.0040860,0.0049800,-0.0048143,-0.0007887
SouthWest_Europe,0.1127253,0.1464038,0.0406260,-0.0010165,0.0449500,-0.0025714,-0.0027779,0.0015101,0.0246433,0.0325341,-0.0026677,0.0075804,-0.0142454,-0.0123391,0.0108006,-0.0001258,-0.0041015,-0.0006735,-0.0030864,-0.0014932,0.0036968,-0.0019572,-0.0022307,-0.0031847,0.0014280
SouthEast_Europe,0.1168672,0.1439147,0.0075187,-0.0235787,0.0165243,-0.0061066,0.0025563,0.0000703,-0.0000882,0.0123834,0.0017905,0.0018742,-0.0016914,0.0064181,-0.0128488,-0.0009988,0.0065265,0.0002924,0.0041233,-0.0039529,-0.0074012,0.0008815,0.0023408,0.0002892,-0.0016262


Arabian,0.05059585,0.13995270,-0.06513990,-0.11723870,-0.00940130,-0.04997380,-0.01229238,-0.00808298,0.05608075,-0.00410653,0.01556333,-0.03192903,0.06243548,0.00350273,0.00455410,0.0252 5745,-0.02140830,0.00386218,0.00015448,0.02687405,0.0126 3658,0.01614353,-0.00905183,0.00697205,-0.00832413
Levantine,0.08970675,0.15220263,-0.04970895,-0.08630155,-0.00821318,-0.02909195,-0.00308430,-0.00400938,0.01374138,0.01814400,0.00735825,-0.00407470,0.00702445,0.00651988,-0.00855050,0.00501358,-0.00108388,0.00259705,0.00276545,0.00053945,-0.00321313,0.00803751,0.00093205,0.00186763,0.0012 6450


Target: Pedro_scaled
Distance: 1.9343% / 0.01934341
57.8 SouthWest_Europe
22.2 NorthWest_Europe
16.4 NorthAfrica
2.6 SouthEast_Europe
1.0 NorthEast_Europe

[Adamm]

Target: Pedro_scaled
Distance: 1.9343% / 0.01934341
57.8 SouthWest_Europe
22.2 NorthWest_Europe
16.4 NorthAfrica
2.6 SouthEast_Europe
1.0 NorthEast_Europe

Pedro could you use this one as NorthAfrican reference and see what happens:

Moroccan:forAdamm,-0.0230493,0.1378580,-0.0036768,-0.0711408,0.0284668,-0.0350703,-0.0264385,0.0032883,0.0636580,0.0273810,0.0034508,-0.0073810,0.0187685,-0.0140033,0.0132665,-0.0126623,0.0040420,-0.0195733,-0.0427373,0.0080665,-0.0111988,-0.0368485,0.0214453,-0.0029220,0.0044005

[Pedro Ruben]

Pedro could you use this one as NorthAfrican reference and see what happens:

Moroccan:forAdamm,-0.0230493,0.1378580,-0.0036768,-0.0711408,0.0284668,-0.0350703,-0.0264385,0.0032883,0.0636580,0.0273810,0.0034508,-0.0073810,0.0187685,-0.0140033,0.0132665,-0.0126623,0.0040420,-0.0195733,-0.0427373,0.0080665,-0.0111988,-0.0368485,0.0214453,-0.0029220,0.0044005

Target: Pedro_scaled
Distance: 2.1459% / 0.02145935
49.4 SouthWest_Europe
27.8 NorthWest_Europe
19.0 Moroccan:forAdamm
2.8 Levantine
1.0 NorthEast_Europe

[gixajo]

Pedro could you use this one as NorthAfrican reference and see what happens:

Moroccan:forAdamm,-0.0230493,0.1378580,-0.0036768,-0.0711408,0.0284668,-0.0350703,-0.0264385,0.0032883,0.0636580,0.0273810,0.0034508,-0.0073810,0.0187685,-0.0140033,0.0132665,-0.0126623,0.0040420,-0.0195733,-0.0427373,0.0080665,-0.0111988,-0.0368485,0.0214453,-0.0029220,0.0044005

Target: gixajo_scaled
Distance: 1.8354% / 0.01835396
93.8 SouthWest_Europe
6.0 NorthWest_Europe
0.2 NorthEast_Europe
0.0 Moroccan
0.0 SouthEast_Europe

Target: gixajo_dad_scaled
Distance: 2.0706% / 0.02070644
91.6 SouthWest_Europe
5.6 SouthEast_Europe
2.8 Moroccan
0.0 NorthEast_Europe
0.0 NorthWest_Europe

Target: gixajo_mom_scaled
Distance: 2.2738% / 0.02273821
83.2 SouthWest_Europe
16.8 NorthWest_Europe
0.0 Moroccan
0.0 NorthEast_Europe
0.0 SouthEast_Europe

[gixajo]

Pedro could you use this one as NorthAfrican reference and see what happens:

Moroccan:forAdamm,-0.0230493,0.1378580,-0.0036768,-0.0711408,0.0284668,-0.0350703,-0.0264385,0.0032883,0.0636580,0.0273810,0.0034508,-0.0073810,0.0187685,-0.0140033,0.0132665,-0.0126623,0.0040420,-0.0195733,-0.0427373,0.0080665,-0.0111988,-0.0368485,0.0214453,-0.0029220,0.0044005

The question is...this reference fits better for you than previous ones?

Do you get more Moroccan % with it?

[Adamm]

The question is...this reference fits better for you than previous ones?

Do you get more Moroccan % with it?

Yes:

Target: Adam_Scaled
Distance: 1.4127% / 0.01412714

98.8 NorthAfrica
1.2 NorthEast_Europe

[Luso]

Target: Luso_scaled
Distance: 3.1056% / 0.03105599
94.6 SouthWest_Europe
5.4 SouthEast_Europe

[Luso]

Pedro could you use this one as NorthAfrican reference and see what happens:

Moroccan:forAdamm,-0.0230493,0.1378580,-0.0036768,-0.0711408,0.0284668,-0.0350703,-0.0264385,0.0032883,0.0636580,0.0273810,0.0034508,-0.0073810,0.0187685,-0.0140033,0.0132665,-0.0126623,0.0040420,-0.0195733,-0.0427373,0.0080665,-0.0111988,-0.0368485,0.0214453,-0.0029220,0.0044005


With your reference:

Target: Luso_scaled
Distance: 2.4800% / 0.02479970
80.6 SouthWest_Europe
11.4 moroccan
6.6 NorthEast_Europe
1.4 NorthWest_Europe

[JamesBond007]

Target: Kevin_scaled
Distance: 3.2175% / 0.03217513
92.8 NorthWest_Europe
7.2 SouthWest_Europe

[JamesBond007]

With your reference:

Target: Luso_scaled
Distance: 2.4800% / 0.02479970
80.6 SouthWest_Europe
11.4 moroccan
6.6 NorthEast_Europe
1.4 NorthWest_Europe

Yeah, I did not get below 3 because the NorthWest samples are not Germanic enough in the Norwegian or Dutch sense of the word

[Scandal]

My pseudo G25 coordinates generated from Eurogenes K13&K15 coordinates

Universe_scaled:K13&K15,0.1224527,0.126924,0.0562441,0.0417401,0.03321 84,0.0147008,0.0067211,0.0099188,0.0034183,-0.0130713,-0.0009855,-0.0066277,0.0127543,0.0162907,-0.0058659,-0.0006116,-0.0008830,-0.0003915,0.0017811,0.0005728,-0.0015366,-0.0030104,0.0054556,-0.001824,0.0008381
My result:

Target: Universe_scaled:K13&K15
Distance: 0.9565% / 0.00956460 | ADC: 0.25x
73.4 NorthEast_Europe
12.8 SouthEast_Europe
11.8 SouthWest_Europe
2.0 NorthWest_Europe

[gixajo]

Yes:

Target: Adam_Scaled
Distance: 1.4127% / 0.01412714

98.8 NorthAfrica
1.2 NorthEast_Europe

;)

[gixajo]

Yeah, I did not get below 3 because the NorthWest samples are not Germanic enough in the Norwegian or Dutch sense of the word

3.2 is not a very bad distance, is still within the acceptable range to be considered a valid result for a "native".

But yes, without center-european references (and others), some people even having mainly European ancestors will not score around 2.

But strangely good model, taking into account the theme of the model and that it only has 4 references.

At least I'm quite surprised in a positive way.

[celticdragongod]

Distance to: CDG_scaled
0.01674384 NorthWest_Europe
0.07224922 NorthEast_Europe
0.08036681 SouthWest_Europe
0.11207279 SouthEast_Europe

Target: CDG_scaled
Distance: 1.6744% / 0.01674384 | ADC: 2x
100.0 NorthWest_Europe

Target: CDG_scaled
Distance: 1.6744% / 0.01674384 | ADC: 1x
100.0 NorthWest_Europe

Target: CDG_scaled
Distance: 1.6744% / 0.01674384 | ADC: 0.5x
100.0 NorthWest_Europe

Target: CDG_scaled
Distance: 1.6623% / 0.01662334 | ADC: 0.25x
98.4 NorthWest_Europe
1.6 SouthWest_Europe

Target: CDG_scaled
Distance: 1.6598% / 0.01659765
97.0 NorthWest_Europe
2.8 SouthWest_Europe
0.2 NorthEast_Europe

[Grace O'Malley]

Yes, this is why I add how i did every reference:

Those Northwestern Europe references are right up my alley. I'm Orcadian/Icelandic with G25/Gedmatch. You've picked extreme Northwestern Europeans for your references. :) So no surprise I come out 100%.

[Gallop]

Target: Gallop_scaled
Distance: 2.2389% / 0.02238852
99.8 SouthWest_Europe
0.2 NorthWest_Europe

Distance to: Gallop_scaled
0.02238964 SouthWest_Europe
0.07648269 SouthEast_Europe
0.08365093 NorthWest_Europe
0.11837381 NorthEast_Europe

[Kyp]

Target: KypMom_scaled
Distance: 1.4396% / 0.01439551
56.4 NorthWest_Europe
21.0 NorthEast_Europe
14.0 SouthWest_Europe
8.6 SouthEast_Europe

[gixajo]

Those Northwestern Europe references are right up my alley. I'm Orcadian/Icelandic with G25/Gedmatch. You've picked extreme Northwestern Europeans for your references. :) So no surprise I come out 100%.

I know it.;)

[gixajo]

Target: KypMom_scaled
Distance: 1.4396% / 0.01439551
56.4 NorthWest_Europe
21.0 NorthEast_Europe
14.0 SouthWest_Europe
8.6 SouthEast_Europe

You can try with those ones for you:

Turkic,=Turkmen,+Turkmen_Uzbekistan,
North_Caucasus,=Ingushian,+Tabasaran,+Adygei,+Chec hen,
South_Caucasus=Armenian,(Armenian,+Armenian_Hemshe ni)+Georgian,(Georgian_Imer,+Georgian_Laz)
Persian=Iranian_Fars,+Iranian_Zoroastrian,

+4 original references posted initially in the first post.(already included in the sources below)

If need a new reference for you tell me which references should I use to fit well with your origins.





Turkic,0.08279575,-0.04872655,-0.00773435,-0.00521585,-0.04090210,-0.00345510,0.00827315,0.00604885,-0.01586195,-0.01025075,-0.00767745,-0.00170265,0.00110940,-0.00557500,0.00308635,0.00607450,-0.00259560,0.00098765,-0.00011860,-0.00280345,-0.00721875,-0.00283710,-0.00430805,-0.00055895,0.00290500
North_Caucasus,0.1118315,0.1024153,-0.0287335,-0.0090908,-0.0356423,0.0042915,0.0086275,-0.0047280,-0.0549838,-0.0298180,-0.0004145,0.0068230,-0.0156533,-0.0030655,0.0105975,-0.0093328,0.0040275,-0.0036700,-0.0081430,0.0127298,0.0042930,0.0017125,0.0033763, 0.0023808,-0.0027710
South_Caucasus,0.1067264,0.1363757,-0.0581747,-0.0559139,-0.0331286,-0.0121737,0.0080243,-0.0058783,-0.0475088,-0.0101576,0.0016182,0.0074542,-0.0146538,0.0036951,-0.0037905,-0.0124577,0.0073158,-0.0018122,-0.0030135,0.0068889,0.0059410,0.0024363,-0.0016627,-0.0060699,-0.0005444
Persian,0.0900715,0.1017110,-0.0635430,-0.0233070,-0.0457275,0.0023995,0.0031345,-0.0052650,-0.0284790,-0.0158325,0.0002660,-0.0003485,0.0045525,-0.0037460,0.0058380,0.0126770,-0.0044705,0.0022025,0.0018490,-0.0088545,-0.0018130,-0.0035630,0.0009845,-0.0039630,0.0047155
NorthWest_Europe,0.1325593,0.1337507,0.0638800,0.0 508907,0.0394997,0.0199777,0.0031217,0.0057113,0.0 037393,-0.0007613,-0.0054230,0.0055750,-0.0099407,-0.0108430,0.0222443,0.0036457,-0.0109377,0.0022727,0.0024637,0.0005757,0.0058040, 0.0025773,0.0010957,0.0142847,0.0009677
NorthEast_Europe,0.1310153,0.1214563,0.0711987,0.0 603063,0.0356400,0.0220150,0.0089957,0.0116723,-0.0034180,-0.0234717,-0.0007067,-0.0075860,0.0157850,0.0231097,-0.0123050,-0.0018747,0.0027710,-0.0005210,0.0028207,0.0022073,-0.0037993,-0.0040860,0.0049800,-0.0048143,-0.0007887
SouthWest_Europe,0.1127253,0.1464038,0.0406260,-0.0010165,0.0449500,-0.0025714,-0.0027779,0.0015101,0.0246433,0.0325341,-0.0026677,0.0075804,-0.0142454,-0.0123391,0.0108006,-0.0001258,-0.0041015,-0.0006735,-0.0030864,-0.0014932,0.0036968,-0.0019572,-0.0022307,-0.0031847,0.0014280
SouthEast_Europe,0.1168672,0.1439147,0.0075187,-0.0235787,0.0165243,-0.0061066,0.0025563,0.0000703,-0.0000882,0.0123834,0.0017905,0.0018742,-0.0016914,0.0064181,-0.0128488,-0.0009988,0.0065265,0.0002924,0.0041233,-0.0039529,-0.0074012,0.0008815,0.0023408,0.0002892,-0.0016262

[Grace O'Malley]

I know it.;)

I really appreciate all your hard work and love your contributions to this forum. I would miss you if you weren't here.:fbard:

[gixajo]

I really appreciate all your hard work and love your contributions to this forum. I would miss you if you weren't here.:fbard:

Not very hard, I enjoy doing it, but thanks.

It will be harder for me to get up tomorrow morning at seven to work on a Saturday.:picard1:

[oszkar07]

Target: Oszkar
Distance: 2.4371% / 0.02437073 | ADC: 0.25x
42.8 NorthWest_Europe
35.4 NorthEast_Europe
15.4 SouthWest_Europe
6.4 SouthEast_Europe

Target: Oszkar
Distance: 2.4293% / 0.02429324
39.4 NorthWest_Europe
36.8 NorthEast_Europe
16.8 SouthWest_Europe
7.0 SouthEast_Europe

[oszkar07]

I really appreciate all your hard work and love your contributions to this forum. I would miss you if you weren't here.:fbard:

Grace what are you doing up at 2.30 in the morning lol.

Nice result btw .

[Kyp]

You can try with those ones for you:

Turkic,=Turkmen,+Turkmen_Uzbekistan,
North_Caucasus,=Ingushian,+Tabasaran,+Adygei,+Chec hen,
South_Caucasus=Armenian,(Armenian,+Armenian_Hemshe ni)+Georgian,(Georgian_Imer,+Georgian_Laz)
Persian=Iranian_Fars,+Iranian_Zoroastrian,

+4 original references posted initially in the first post.(already included in the sources below)

If need a new reference for you tell me which references should I use to fit well with your origins.





Turkic,0.08279575,-0.04872655,-0.00773435,-0.00521585,-0.04090210,-0.00345510,0.00827315,0.00604885,-0.01586195,-0.01025075,-0.00767745,-0.00170265,0.00110940,-0.00557500,0.00308635,0.00607450,-0.00259560,0.00098765,-0.00011860,-0.00280345,-0.00721875,-0.00283710,-0.00430805,-0.00055895,0.00290500
North_Caucasus,0.1118315,0.1024153,-0.0287335,-0.0090908,-0.0356423,0.0042915,0.0086275,-0.0047280,-0.0549838,-0.0298180,-0.0004145,0.0068230,-0.0156533,-0.0030655,0.0105975,-0.0093328,0.0040275,-0.0036700,-0.0081430,0.0127298,0.0042930,0.0017125,0.0033763, 0.0023808,-0.0027710
South_Caucasus,0.1067264,0.1363757,-0.0581747,-0.0559139,-0.0331286,-0.0121737,0.0080243,-0.0058783,-0.0475088,-0.0101576,0.0016182,0.0074542,-0.0146538,0.0036951,-0.0037905,-0.0124577,0.0073158,-0.0018122,-0.0030135,0.0068889,0.0059410,0.0024363,-0.0016627,-0.0060699,-0.0005444
Persian,0.0900715,0.1017110,-0.0635430,-0.0233070,-0.0457275,0.0023995,0.0031345,-0.0052650,-0.0284790,-0.0158325,0.0002660,-0.0003485,0.0045525,-0.0037460,0.0058380,0.0126770,-0.0044705,0.0022025,0.0018490,-0.0088545,-0.0018130,-0.0035630,0.0009845,-0.0039630,0.0047155
NorthWest_Europe,0.1325593,0.1337507,0.0638800,0.0 508907,0.0394997,0.0199777,0.0031217,0.0057113,0.0 037393,-0.0007613,-0.0054230,0.0055750,-0.0099407,-0.0108430,0.0222443,0.0036457,-0.0109377,0.0022727,0.0024637,0.0005757,0.0058040, 0.0025773,0.0010957,0.0142847,0.0009677
NorthEast_Europe,0.1310153,0.1214563,0.0711987,0.0 603063,0.0356400,0.0220150,0.0089957,0.0116723,-0.0034180,-0.0234717,-0.0007067,-0.0075860,0.0157850,0.0231097,-0.0123050,-0.0018747,0.0027710,-0.0005210,0.0028207,0.0022073,-0.0037993,-0.0040860,0.0049800,-0.0048143,-0.0007887
SouthWest_Europe,0.1127253,0.1464038,0.0406260,-0.0010165,0.0449500,-0.0025714,-0.0027779,0.0015101,0.0246433,0.0325341,-0.0026677,0.0075804,-0.0142454,-0.0123391,0.0108006,-0.0001258,-0.0041015,-0.0006735,-0.0030864,-0.0014932,0.0036968,-0.0019572,-0.0022307,-0.0031847,0.0014280
SouthEast_Europe,0.1168672,0.1439147,0.0075187,-0.0235787,0.0165243,-0.0061066,0.0025563,0.0000703,-0.0000882,0.0123834,0.0017905,0.0018742,-0.0016914,0.0064181,-0.0128488,-0.0009988,0.0065265,0.0002924,0.0041233,-0.0039529,-0.0074012,0.0008815,0.0023408,0.0002892,-0.0016262


Target: Kyp_scaled
Distance: 2.8072% / 0.02807187
33.4 Persian
17.4 NorthEast_Europe
15.2 NorthWest_Europe
10.8 SouthWest_Europe
9.8 South_Caucasus
9.4 Turkic
4.0 SouthEast_Europe

Target: KypFather_scaled
Distance: 2.2185% / 0.02218469
47.0 Persian
23.6 Turkic
19.0 South_Caucasus
10.4 SouthEast_Europe

[Rædwald]

Distance to: Rædwald

0.01931484 NorthWest_Europe
0.06502195 SouthWest_Europe
0.07482167 NorthEast_Europe
0.10206311 SouthEast_Europe

Target: Rædwald

Distance: 1.5856% / 0.01585552 | ADC: 1x
94.8 NorthWest_Europe
5.2 SouthWest_Europe

Target: Rædwald

Distance: 1.0622% / 0.01062182 | ADC: 0.5x
84.2 NorthWest_Europe
15.8 SouthWest_Europe

Target: Rædwald

Distance: 0.9974% / 0.00997387 | ADC: 0.25x
80.8 NorthWest_Europe
19.2 SouthWest_Europe

[Grace O'Malley]

Not very hard, I enjoy doing it, but thanks.

It will be harder for me to get up tomorrow morning at seven to work on a Saturday.:picard1:

I think populations like the English and Dutch are much better representatives of Northwestern Europeans than populations like Orcadians, Shetlanders and Icelanders. These populations have not contributed to anyone's ancestry in any significant way. They are very small and drifted populations who are a mixture of Gael and Scandos. I personally remove these pops for myself in G25 because Irish are more a source than the other way round. Icelanders just skew my results. No offence to any of these populations as I myself have some drift and I'm similar to them. If honest though they are not representative of Northwest Europe just periphery pops and I'm also periphery so I'm just giving my honest opinion. :) There is a Norwegian on Anthrogenica who always advises against using these island pops and I've taken his advice to heart and agree with him.

[oszkar07]

Target: Oszkar_ArmenianWife
Distance: 3.0685% / 0.03068517 | ADC: 0.25x
88.6 South_Caucasus
9.0 SouthEast_Europe
2.4 Persian

Target: Oszkar_ArmenianWife
Distance: 3.0623% / 0.03062290
85.6 South_Caucasus
10.2 SouthEast_Europe
4.2 Persian

Distance to: Oszkar_ArmenianWife
0.03285490 South_Caucasus
0.07421170 Persian
0.08688175 North_Caucasus
0.10130789 SouthEast_Europe
0.15957009 SouthWest_Europe
0.19357380 NorthWest_Europe
0.20181287 NorthEast_Europe
0.20819464 Turkic

[gixajo]

I think populations like the English and Dutch are much better representatives of Northwestern Europeans than populations like Orcadians, Shetlanders and Icelanders. These populations have not contributed to anyone's ancestry in any significant way. They are very small and drifted populations who are a mixture of Gael and Scandos. I personally remove these pops for myself in G25 because Irish are more a source than the other way round. Icelanders just skew my results. No offence to any of these populations as I myself have some drift and I'm similar to them. If honest though they are not representative of Northwest Europe just periphery pops and I'm also periphery so I'm just giving my honest opinion. :) There is a Norwegian on Anthrogenica who always advises against using these island pops and I've taken his advice to heart and agree with him.

With English or Dutch we could start having problems, every reference has their own "behavior" when used in conjunction with other, and this is a problem wich has different origins, from the type of maths used in these statistical packages and from the references themselves and the way in collecting samples etc.

I chose the references with all of this in mind, and they seem to work quite well. In any case, we could always make a model with what you propose at another time, and it maybe will work better than this one.

No problem in using different versions with different versions.:thumb001:

[RyoHazuki]

Target: Ryo_scaled
Distance: 3.0984% / 0.03098422
80.4 NorthWest_Europe
19.6 SouthWest_Europe

[celticdragongod]

I think populations like the English and Dutch are much better representatives of Northwestern Europeans than populations like Orcadians, Shetlanders and Icelanders. These populations have not contributed to anyone's ancestry in any significant way. They are very small and drifted populations who are a mixture of Gael and Scandos. I personally remove these pops for myself in G25 because Irish are more a source than the other way round. Icelanders just skew my results. No offence to any of these populations as I myself have some drift and I'm similar to them. If honest though they are not representative of Northwest Europe just periphery pops and I'm also periphery so I'm just giving my honest opinion. :) There is a Norwegian on Anthrogenica who always advises against using these island pops and I've taken his advice to heart and agree with him.

But the Orkneys, Shetlands and Iceland would have experienced less recent population change than England and the Netherlands have over the last few hundred years. Historical events such as the Industrial Revolution may mean that the modern English and Dutch populations may have changed considerably over the last two or three centuries.

[Grace O'Malley]

But the Orkneys, Shetlands and Iceland would have experienced less recent population change than England and the Netherlands have over the last few hundred years. Historical events such as the Industrial Revolution may mean that the modern English and Dutch populations may have changed considerably over the last two or three centuries.

Yes but those island populations are small and drifted. They aren't a true representative of Northwestern Europe only the extreme periphery. Many Dutch and English are not much different that centuries ago if you get the correct samples like PoBI. English might have some Insular Celt in the woodpile but they are all Northwestern European. I'm just pointing out that the populations selected are a more extreme type and not core Northwestern European. It would be like selecting Sardinians to represent Southern Europe or the Azores to represent Southwest Europe. It is not a criticism of the calc but just an comment on the populations selected.

If I change the Northwest category with Dutch I still get this but just a higher distance.

Target: Grace_scaled
Distance: 2.4590% / 0.02458997
100.0 Dutch

Gixajo wanted the extremes but the Iberian category is quite a core Southwest selection. It is his calc so he can choose what populations he wants. :thumb001:

[RyoHazuki]

Target: Grace_scaled
Distance: 1.8951% / 0.01895102
100.0 NorthWest_Europe

Distance to: Grace_scaled
0.01895102 NorthWest_Europe
0.07492537 NorthEast_Europe
0.08516971 SouthWest_Europe
0.11791329 SouthEast_Europe

True


Target: Ryo_scaled
Distance: 3.2107% / 0.03210692
85.6 Dutch
14.4 SouthWest_Europe

[Dušan]

Simple model with new references made for the ocassion.:)

For fun.

https://vahaduo.github.io/vahaduo/

NorthWest_Europe,=Shetlandic,+Icelandic,+Orcadian,
NorthEast_Europe,=Russian_Voronez,+Ukrainian,+Russ ian_Orel,
SouthWest_Europe,=NorthWest_Iberia,+North_Iberia,+ NorthEast_Iberia,+SouthWest_Iberia,+SouthEast_Iber ia,
SouthEast_Europe=Greek:Islander(Kos+Cyrpus)+Macedo nian+Greek_Central_Macedonia,+Greek_Thessaly


Target: Dušan_simulated_g25_scaled
Distance: 1.6030% / 0.01602977
55.6 NorthEast_Europe
36.2 SouthEast_Europe
8.2 SouthWest_Europe

[rothaer]

Even if declared just fun this is a very good calculator as it provides a brief and stable generalized assessment for Europeans. "Sometimes less is more" is a saying in German and it applies here. IMO it's very telling and even suitable to be a kind of "gold standard" for moderns.

Target: rothaer_scaled
Distance: 1.6117% / 0.01611702
46.6 NorthWest_Europe
46.0 NorthEast_Europe
7.4 SouthWest_Europe

Target: rothaer_wife2_scaled
Distance: 2.2206% / 0.02220620
66.6 NorthWest_Europe
33.4 NorthEast_Europe

[noricum]

Target: G25noricum_scaled
Distance: 2.5000% / 0.02499955
50.4 NorthEast_Europe
21.6 NorthWest_Europe
19.0 SouthWest_Europe
9.0 SouthEast_Europe

[alexmegas777]

Target: alexmegas_scaled
Distance: 2.2971% / 0.02297061
49.8 SouthEast_Europe
27.0 NorthEast_Europe
21.8 SouthWest_Europe
1.4 NorthWest_Europe

[hazmatnik]

Target: hazmatnik_scaled
Distance: 2.9880% / 0.02987964
48.0 SouthEast_Europe
44.6 NorthEast_Europe
7.4 SouthWest_Europe

[Dušan]

Target: Dušan_scaled
Distance: 2.7098% / 0.02709845
54.2 NorthEast_Europe
37.4 SouthEast_Europe
8.4 SouthWest_Europe