Haplogroup Distribution in Romania and Republic of Moldova

[Ion Basescul]

I pulled together all the sources that I could find and came up with about 1200 regional samples.

Here are the results on regional level:

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Haplogroup
Oltenia
Muntenia
Dobrogea
Wallachia (Oltenia,Muntenia and Dobrogea)
Transylvania
Moldavia
Republic of Moldova


R1b
15%
13%
18%
14%
19%
12%
11%


R1a
20%
13%
8%
16%
19.5%
20.5%
30%


I2
26%
24%
38%
26%
25%
31.5%
29%


J2
13%
19%
8%
16%
14%
14%
5%


E1b1b
15.5%
16%
8%
16%
12%
10%
14%


J1
1%
2%
0%
1%
1%
1%
2%


G2a
2%
6%
13%
5%
2%
3.5%
0.5%


I1
5.5%
3%
0%
4%
3%
5%
3%


N1c
0.5%
1%
5%
1%
1.5%
2%
3%


T
0.5%
1%
0%
0.5%
2%
0%
1%


Q1
0%
1%
0%
0.5%
1%
0%
0.5%


E-V22
1%
0%
2%
0%
0%
0%
0%


H
0%
1%
0%
0%
0%
0.5%
0%


Total
234
268
39
541
315
166
212

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County level (only academic sources; not shown below, but included in regional totals are those from FTDNA projects, Yfull and 23andme)
Muntenia (Greater Wallachia)

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Haplogroup
Calarasi
Arges
Dambovita
Ialomita
Teleorman
Prahova
Giurgiu
Bucuresti


R1b
8%
33%
0%
0%
29%
8%
20%
14%


R1a
13%
17%
0%
50%
0%
8%
20%
13%


I2
27%
17%
33%
0%
43%
35%
27%
15%


J2
13%
33%
33%
0%
0%
18%
24%
18%


E1b1b
25%
0%
17%
0%
14%
18%
7%
19%


J1
2%
0%
0%
0%
0%
3%
0%
3%


G2a
6%
0%
17%
0%
14%
10%
0%
6%


I1
6%
0%
0%
0%
0%
3%
0%
5%


N1c
0%
0%
0%
0%
0%
0%
0%
1%


T
0%
0%
0%
0%
0%
0%
2%
2%


Q1
0%
0%
0%
0%
0%
0%
0%
2%


E-V22
0%
0%
0%
0%
0%
0%
0%
0%


H
0%
0%
0%
50%
0%
0%
0%
1%


Total
48
6
6
2
7
40
45
104

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Oltenia (Lesser Wallachia)

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Haplogroup
Mehedinti
Dolj
Olt


R1b
21%
13%
15%


R1a
17%
23%
5%


I2
28%
24%
45%


J2
21%
12%
10%


E1b1b
14%
16%
15%


J1
0%
1%
0%


G2a
0%
2%
10%


I1
0%
7%
0%


N1c
0%
1%
0%


T
0%
1%
0%


Q1
0%
1%
0%


E-V22
0%
1%
0%


H
0%
0%
0%


Total
29
182
20

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Transylvania

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Haplogroup
Maramures
Bihor
Arad
Alba
Cluj
Brasov


R1b
24%
19%
33%
30%
11%
10%


R1a
17%
18%
13%
19%
29%
14%


I2
21%
30%
17%
33%
16%
28%


J2
31%
12%
23%
0%
9%
16%


E1b1b
3%
12%
3%
11%
18%
18%


J1
0%
1%
0%
0%
2%
4%


G2a
3%
0%
0%
0%
5%
0%


I1
0%
1%
0%
0%
5%
8%


N1c
0%
2%
3%
0%
2%
0%


T
0%
1%
7%
7%
2%
0%


Q1
0%
3%
0%
0%
0%
2%


E-V22
0%
0%
0%
0%
0%
0%


H
0%
0%
0%
0%
0%
0%


Total
29
105
30
27
55
50

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Moldavia

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Haplogroup
Vrancea
Neamt
Suceava


R1b
16%
8%
43%


R1a
16%
24%
14%


I2
23%
42%
14%


J2
16%
11%
14%


E1b1b
16%
7%
0%


J1
2%
0%
0%


G2a
2%
4%
0%


I1
7%
2%
0%


N1c
2%
1%
14%


T
0%
0%
0%


Q1
0%
0%
0%


E-V22
0%
0%
0%


H
0%
1%
0%


Total
44
89
7

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Republic of Moldova

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Haplogroup
Stefan Voda
Drochia
Chisinau


R1b
15%
17%
6%


R1a
37%
22%
36%


I2
21%
28%
37%


J2
4%
4%
3%


E1b1b
13%
13%
10%


J1
6%
2%
0%


G2a
0%
2%
0%


I1
3%
7%
0%


N1c
1%
2%
6%


T
0%
2%
3%


Q1
0%
2%
0%


E-V22
0%
0%
0%


H
0%
0%
0%


Total
71
54
70

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[Coastal Elite]

It's all about E-V13 in Brasov and Cluj

[andre]

Did you found some I2a2 like me? (On 23andme i score I-cts10057)

[Ion Basescul]

With minorities

I think it's pretty safe to say that J2 is the Vlach haplogroup


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Haplogroup
Harghita (Hungarians)
Bihor (Slovaks)
Bihor (Germans)
Bihor (Roma)
Transnistria (Ukrainians)
Constanta (Vlachs)


R1b
25%
6%
56%
0%
21%
33%


R1a
19%
60%
0%
0%
40%
2%


I2
44%
11%
31%
0%
21%
19%


J2
0%
6%
0%
0%
8%
38%


E1b1b
6%
9%
6%
3%
0%
7%


J1
0%
3%
0%
0%
2%
0%


G2a
0%
3%
3%
0%
0%
0%


I1
0%
0%
3%
0%
4%
0%


N1c
3%
3%
0%
0%
6%
0%


T
3%
0%
0%
0%
0%
0%


Q1
0%
0%
0%
0%
0%
0%


E-V22
0%
0%
0%
0%
0%
0%


H
0%
0%
0%
97%
0%
0%


Total
36
35
32
35
53
42

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[Impaler]

Is J2-M67 common in Romania?

[Rocinante]

Favorite places of Romania: Suceava, Arges, Arad, Alba and Teleorman. Romania is rich in R-L23*, in other words, R-Z2103.

[Ion Basescul]

Did you found some I2a2 like me? (On 23andme i score I-cts10057)

Sure, there are a couple at I2a2 (I-M223) level.


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I-M223




RU298
Bra


RU382
Dol


RU390
Meh


RU393
Meh


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And there's also one from Neamt in another study and 4 others in a study from Dolj.

[Ion Basescul]

Is J2-M67 common in Romania?

Most J2 in Romania is J2a. About 65% of it falls under J2a compared to 35% J2b.
Most of the J2a falls under M67 and for those tests that look deeper, that usually leads to M92.

[Dr_Maul]

Looks like a decent amount of Alpha (J2) has persisted. Not sure how much of it is J2b but when the reckoning draws it seems many Romanians will live.

[Ion Basescul]

Looks like a decent amount of Alpha (J2) has persisted. Not sure how much of it is J2b but when the reckoning draws it seems many Romanians will live.

I think that those are the Imperial Romans and their descendants who romanised the locals and the Vlachs.
E-V13 and R-L23 are probably related to various Thracians like the Getae and Dacians.

[Coastal Elite]

I think that those are the Imperial Romans and their descendants who romanised the locals and the Vlachs.
E-V13 and R-L23 are probably related to various Thracians like the Getae and Dacians.

Seems like the Y-DNA distribution is Moldova is fairly similar to Romania, is that correct?

[Ion Basescul]

No, it's quite different actually, especially in the distribution of R1b, R1a, but most noticeably J2.

[Coastal Elite]

No, it's quite different actually, especially in the distribution of R1b, R1a, but most noticeably J2.

Ehhh, no more than a 10% difference on any given haplogroup

[Ion Basescul]

Ehhh, no more than a 10% difference on any given haplogroup

You should look at the percentage change, instead of simply subtracting one from another.
5% to 15% J2 is a big difference. That's the same as 20% to 60%.

[Coastal Elite]

You should look at the percentage change, instead of simply subtracting one from another.
5% to 15% J2 is a big difference. That's the same as 20% to 60%.

The R1a vs R1b difference is interesting. It almost mirrors Romanians affinity for western European culture vs Molodova

[Leto]

The R1a vs R1b difference is interesting. It almost mirrors Romanians affinity for western European culture vs Molodova
Yeah, you won't get around the khokhol influence in the Republic of Moldova looking at the national average.

[Ion Basescul]

Yeah, you won't get around the khokhol influence in the Republic of Moldova looking at the national average.

Probably not related at all to Ukrainians, considering that the samples from Stefan Voda have the highest share of R1a. And we know that people from there are the most Southern in Moldova, comparable to Wallachians.

[Leto]

Probably not related at all to Ukrainians, considering that the samples from Stefan Voda have the highest share of R1a. And we know that people from there are the most Southern in Moldova, comparable to Wallachians.
Dude, don't counter-signal the East Slavs, you are literally 1/4 Ukrainian yourself and in your own words Moldovans are basically Slavs speaking a non-Slavic language.

[Leto]

Yes, I did notice Stefan Voda, fair enough. But it's Slavic Y DNA anyway, no point denying it.

[Ion Basescul]

Dude, don't counter-signal the East Slavs, you are literally 1/4 Ukrainian yourself and in your own words Moldovans are basically Slavs speaking a non-Slavic language.

Don't get me wrong, most of R1a and like 95-98% of I2a comes from the Slavs, but those trace to the early middle ages. I doubt more than a handful of people in that village where the samples were collected mixed with Slavs in the last 100-200 years. So in that regard they are as related to Ukrainians as Punjabis are.

[Leto]

Don't get me wrong, most of R1a and like 95-98% of I2a comes from the Slavs, but those trace to the early middle ages. I doubt more than a handful of people in that village where the samples were collected mixed with Slavs in the last 100-200 years. So in that regard they are as related to Ukrainians as Punjabis are.
Yeah, I used khokhol just for kicks, didn't mean specifically recent Ukrainians.

[Leto]

But Chisinau is 36% R1a, some of it should definitely be more recent. Otherwise it would not be that high.

[Ion Basescul]

Most of Romanian J2 falls under J2a and then J2a-M67.

Here are all the ancients positive for J2a-M67.

R19.SG Italy_N.SG J2a1a1a2b2

ART019 Arslantepe_LC J2a1a1a2b2a1
ART017 Arslantepe_LC J2a1a1a2b2a2b2a
ART022 Arslantepe_LC J2a1a1a2b2a3b1
ART001 Arslantepe_EBA J2a1a1a2b2a1
ART011 Arslantepe_EBA J2a1a1a2b2a3b1a1b
ALA004 Alalakh_MLBA J2a1a1a2b2a1
ALA011 Alalakh_MLBA J2a1a1a2b2a3b1
MA2200_final.SG Anatolia_MLBA.SG J2a1a1a2b2a1a or J2a1a1a2b2a2b2a
MA2205_final.SG Anatolia_MLBA.SG J2a1a1a2b2a3b
I2190 Megiddo_MLBA J2a1a1a2b2a1a
I4519 Megiddo_MLBA_family1 J2a1a1a2b2a1a
I1504 Hungary_LBA_Kyjatice J2a1a1a2b2a3b1a1b
BR2.SG Hungary_LBA.SG.SG J2a1a1a2b2a3b1a1b

I8208 Iberia_Hellenistic_B J2a1a1a2b2a

I3983 Iberia_Roman J2a1a1a2b2a
R44.SG Italy_Imperial.SG J2a1a1a2b2a
R1550.SG Italy_Imperial.SG J2a1a1a2b2a1
R115.SG Italy_Imperial.SG J2a1a1a2b2a1a1
R81.SG Italy_Imperial.SG J2a1a1a2b2a2b2a
R1551.SG Italy_Imperial.SG J2a1a1a2b2a3b1a1

R969.SG Italy_Medieval_EarlyModern.SG J2a1a1a2b2a1
SI-44.SG Lebanon_Medieval_o3.SG J2a1a1a2b2

[Ion Basescul]

But Chisinau is 36% R1a, some of it should definitely be more recent. Otherwise it would not be that high.

Could be, but that's from a Romanian paper, so the locals were probably picked carefully. It might not be obvious from R1a, since it's at comparable levels to those in monoethnic villages, but that elevated N1c definitely comes from mixing with Russians.

[andre]

Most of Romanian J2 falls under J2a and then J2a-M67.

Here are all the ancients positive for J2a-M67.

R19.SG Italy_N.SG J2a1a1a2b2

ART019 Arslantepe_LC J2a1a1a2b2a1
ART017 Arslantepe_LC J2a1a1a2b2a2b2a
ART022 Arslantepe_LC J2a1a1a2b2a3b1
ART001 Arslantepe_EBA J2a1a1a2b2a1
ART011 Arslantepe_EBA J2a1a1a2b2a3b1a1b
ALA004 Alalakh_MLBA J2a1a1a2b2a1
ALA011 Alalakh_MLBA J2a1a1a2b2a3b1
MA2200_final.SG Anatolia_MLBA.SG J2a1a1a2b2a1a or J2a1a1a2b2a2b2a
MA2205_final.SG Anatolia_MLBA.SG J2a1a1a2b2a3b
I2190 Megiddo_MLBA J2a1a1a2b2a1a
I4519 Megiddo_MLBA_family1 J2a1a1a2b2a1a
I1504 Hungary_LBA_Kyjatice J2a1a1a2b2a3b1a1b
BR2.SG Hungary_LBA.SG.SG J2a1a1a2b2a3b1a1b

I8208 Iberia_Hellenistic_B J2a1a1a2b2a

I3983 Iberia_Roman J2a1a1a2b2a
R44.SG Italy_Imperial.SG J2a1a1a2b2a
R1550.SG Italy_Imperial.SG J2a1a1a2b2a1
R115.SG Italy_Imperial.SG J2a1a1a2b2a1a1
R81.SG Italy_Imperial.SG J2a1a1a2b2a2b2a
R1551.SG Italy_Imperial.SG J2a1a1a2b2a3b1a1

R969.SG Italy_Medieval_EarlyModern.SG J2a1a1a2b2a1
SI-44.SG Lebanon_Medieval_o3.SG J2a1a1a2b2


Some of today romanian’s R1b match with the Moldova_Scythians?

[Ion Basescul]

Some of today romanian’s R1b match with the Moldova_Scythians?

The majority of the Romanian variety of R1b falls under R-L23. It's the most widespread subclade in Southeast Europe. I think there was one sample from Glinoe with that subclade, but most of it probably arrived with the folk that brought J2 and romanised the locals. I doubt we will see much outside of E-V13, G2a and non-CT10228 I2 among pre-Roman locals.

[vbnetkhio]

I1504 Hungary_LBA_Kyjatice J2a1a1a2b2a3b1a1b
BR2.SG Hungary_LBA.SG.SG J2a1a1a2b2a3b1a1b


BR2 and I1504 are two alternative names of the same sample.

[Ion Basescul]

BR2 and I1504 are two alternative names of the same sample.

I've just copy pasted from an Anthrogenica thread.

[Chris596]

Really cool Ion! Interesting that according to your findings, E1b1b in Bihor county is the most common among Slovaks, after them among Romanians.

[Ion Basescul]

Really cool Ion! Interesting that according to your findings, E1b1b in Bihor county is the most common among Slovaks, after them among Romanians.

Thanks
You probably misread, as it's at 12% among Romanians from Bihor, 9% Slovaks, 6% Germans and 3% Roma.

[Ion Basescul]

Here's the deeper breakdown for the J2 samples that could be tested deeper than J-M172.
As mentioned previously, the proportion of J2a to J2b is about 65% to 35%.

For the 9 J2 guys on YFull, 5 are J2a and 4 are J2b. You can click the subclade links to see whom they cluster with.

For those under J2a, 4 out of 5 fall under J2a-M92, with 2 of them moving further into L556.

For those under J2b, 3 out of 4 fall under J2b-Z2507, with 2 of them moving further into Z1295.

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Haplogroup
Origin
Subclade
Country
Location


J2a
YFull
J-FT87369 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/J-FT87369/)
ROU
ROU


J2a
YFull
J-BY68767 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/J-BY68767/)
ROU
ROU


J2a
YFull
J-Y13511 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/J-Y13511/)
ROU
ROU


J2a
YFull
J-Y22280 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/J-Y22280/)
ROU
Braila


J2a
YFull
J-FGC62187 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/J-FGC62187/)
ROU
Iasi


J2b
YFull
J-Y102756 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/J-Y102756/)
ROU
Constanta


J2b
YFull
J-BY81991 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/J-BY81991/)
ROU
Arges


J2b
YFull
J-Y85328 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/J-Y85328/)
ROU
Buzau


J2b
YFull
J-Y191359 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/J-Y191359/)
ROU
Botosani

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The rest of my regional J2 samples for Romania, which went deeper than J2-M172 are as follows:

Calarasi (Wallachia): 5xJ2a (2xJ-Z387 (under L25)) ; 1xJ2b
Dambovita (Wallachia): 2xJ2a
Prahova (Wallachia): 1xJ2a
Dolj (Wallachia): 13xJ2a (8xJ2a-M410, 4xJ2a-M67, 1xJ2a-M92) ; 9xJ2b-M241
Olt (Wallachia): 1xJ2a ; 1xJ2b
Constanta (Wallachia): 1xJ2b

Cluj (Transylvania): 5xJ2a (4xJ2a-M410, 1xJ2a-M67)
Brasov (Transylvania): 5xJ2a (4xJ2a-M410,1xJ2a-M92) ; 3xJ2b-M241
Bihor (Transylvania): 4xJ2a (3xJ2a-M67) ; 3xJ2b

Vrancea (Moldavia): 3xJ2a ; 1xJ2b
Neamt (Moldavia): 2xJ2a (1xJ2a-M92) ; 1xJ2b
Suceava (Moldavia): 2xJ2a (1xJ2a-Z471 (under M67); 1xJ2a-L243)

[Ion Basescul]

Favorite places of Romania: Suceava, Arges, Arad, Alba and Teleorman. Romania is rich in R-L23*, in other words, R-Z2103.

Some studies don't go too deep, so it's hard to say to which subclade they belong to, but the one with 180 samples from Dolj (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dolj_County) for example did, and none of them were confirmed as Z2103. Some stopped at L23, so maybe that's the L23* that you are referring to?

R-L2 (L151)
R-L2 (L151)
R-L2 (L151)
R-L21 (L151)
R-L23
R-L23
R-L23
R-L23
R-L23
R-L23
R-L23
R-L23
R-L48 (L151)
R-U106 (L151)
R-U106 (L151)
R-U106 (L151)
R-U152 (L151)
R-U198 (L151)



The ones originating from YFull tend to be more skewed towards Z2103.

https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-A19725/ (L151)
https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-Z16828/ (L151)
https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-DF13*/ (L151)
https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-FGC12346*/ (L151)
https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-FGC75224/ (Z2103)
https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-FGC14600*/ (Z2103)
https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-A13358*/ (Z2103)
https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-Y38317/ (Z2103)
https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-V2986*/ (Z2103)
https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-Y32147/ (Z2103)

[Rocinante]

Some studies don't go too deep, so it's hard to say to which subclade they belong to, but the one with 180 samples from Dolj (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dolj_County) for example did, and none of them were confirmed as Z2103. Some stopped at L23, so maybe that's the L23* that you are referring to?

R-L2 (L151)
R-L2 (L151)
R-L2 (L151)
R-L21 (L151)
R-L23
R-L23
R-L23
R-L23
R-L23
R-L23
R-L23
R-L23
R-L48 (L151)
R-U106 (L151)
R-U106 (L151)
R-U106 (L151)
R-U152 (L151)
R-U198 (L151)



The ones originating from YFull tend to be more skewed towards Z2103.

https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-A19725/ (L151)
https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-Z16828/ (L151)
https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-DF13*/ (L151)
https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-FGC12346*/ (L151)
https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-FGC75224/ (Z2103)
https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-FGC14600*/ (Z2103)
https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-A13358*/ (Z2103)
https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-Y38317/ (Z2103)
https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-V2986*/ (Z2103)
https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-Y32147/ (Z2103)

5 R-U106
4 R-U152
1 R-L21

Were Romania invaded by germanics in at some point? All the L2 belongs to U152 (is common in germanic peoples), U106 is strictly germanic, and U198 along with L48, belongs to U106, so this is obvius germanic influence, but could mean previus migrations like CWC (not sure). L21 is the most curious one, though is very related to gaels, some germanic peoples score this haplo, but this is celtic per se as far as i know.

The L23* is known as Z2103, is common in hitties, hellenic peoples, illyrians and armenians. I thought it was going to be super common in Romania, but seems to me that you guys have some interesting variety.

[Ion Basescul]

5 R-U106
4 R-U152
1 R-L21

Were Romania invaded by germanics in at some point? All the L2 belongs to U152 (is common in germanic peoples), U106 is strictly germanic, and U198 along with L48, belongs to U106, so this is obvius germanic influence, but could mean previus migrations like CWC (not sure). L21 is the most curious one, though is very related to gaels, some germanic peoples score this haplo, but this is celtic per se as far as i know.

The L23* is known as Z2103, is common in hitties, hellenic peoples, illyrians and armenians. I thought it was going to be super common in Romania, but seems to me that you guys have some interesting variety.

Goths and Gepids used to settle sporadically and migrate throughout the territory, so perhaps some stayed and got assimilated.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romania_in_the_Early_Middle_Ages#Gutthiuda:_land_o f_the_Goths_(c._290%E2%80%93c._455)

[Rocinante]

Goths and Gepids used to settle sporadically and migrate throughout the territory, so perhaps some stayed and got assimilated.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romania_in_the_Early_Middle_Ages#Gutthiuda:_land_o f_the_Goths_(c._290%E2%80%93c._455)

Make sense. Could be Szekelies too right?

[Ion Basescul]

Make sense. Could be Szekelies too right?

Who knows, but it's probably unlikely considering that in the past people were marrying mostly others of the same religion as them. Szekelys were Catholic, while Romanians Orthodox.

[ixulescu]

I pulled together all the sources that I could find and came up with about 1200 regional samples.



very nice, but put the average for the whole Romania as well, so that we can compare it with other sources, like Eupedia for instance.

[Kaspias]

Q in Moldova is L715 and in Romania L715 & M25 as far as I know. Is there any other subclade present?

[TheMaestro]

E1B here represents E-V13 ?

Is this E-V22 of European origin?

[Ion Basescul]

very nice, but put the average for the whole Romania as well, so that we can compare it with other sources, like Eupedia for instance.

Those on Eupedia are also mine, so it will be identical with this one pretty much. I think I've got like 100 more samples since, so not much of a change.

[Ion Basescul]

E1B here represents E-V13 ?

Is this E-V22 of European origin?

Yes, 95% of it E-V13, while the rest E-M123.
None of them under E are.

[Ion Basescul]

Q in Moldova is L715 and in Romania L715 & M25 as far as I know. Is there any other subclade present?

I haven't looked into subclades for Q, but I will check later.

[someonenotyou]

Grandfather was born in Brasov, so I guess he would belong with 8% of I1.

[alexmegas777]

is J-M92 common in Romania?

[Jana]

is J-M92 common in Romania?

User Incelslayer (and his brother Deymark) who are Romanians from Galați belong to J-M92, more precisely J2a1b>M92>CTS2906>S8230>Z38463* subclade.

[alexmegas777]

User Incelslayer (and his brother Deymark) who are Romanians from Galați belong to J-M92, more precisely J2a1b>M92>CTS2906>S8230>Z38463* subclade.
I am from Galati too lol

[Ion Basescul]

I am from Galati too lol

Yes, M67 and then M92 under it seem to be the most popular subclades of J2a: https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?331243-Haplogroup-Distribution-in-Romania-and-Republic-of-Moldova&p=6867942&viewfull=1#post6867942

J2a-M67 and J2a-M92 are also Roma/Gypsy founder haplogroups, but the haplotypes in Romas were not found in Romanians from Dolj (144 samples) according to this study: https://www.nature.com/articles/ejhg2015201

[Bosniensis]

Since Romanians have a lot of Bosniak I2a1b haplogroup (we have 50%-60%)

could it be that... Romanians are Bosniaks?

:)

[Black Wolf]

I am from Galati too lol

Interesting stuff...I am interested in the presence of J2a clades among Romanians.

[Dirdepo]

My oldest paternal ancestor Vlach Romanian is originally from Câmpulung, Suceava county and was buried in Volovăț

I am Y-DNA I2 (no specific clade). I see 14% stragglers survived. How many samples determined those statistic?

[Black Wolf]

My oldest paternal ancestor Vlach Romanian is originally from Câmpulung, Suceava county and was buried in Volovăț

I am Y-DNA I2 (no specific clade). I see 14% stragglers survived. How many samples determined those statistic?

Which company did you test with?

[Rethel]

I pulled together all the sources that I could find and came up with about 1200 regional samples.

Here are the results on regional level:

<google-sheets-html-origin style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: medium;">
<tbody>
Haplogroup
Oltenia
Muntenia
Dobrogea
Wallachia (Oltenia,Muntenia and Dobrogea)
Transylvania
Moldavia
Republic of Moldova


R1b
15%
13%
18%
14%
19%
12%
11%


R1a
20%
13%
8%
16%
19.5%
20.5%
30%


I2
26%
24%
38%
26%
25%
31.5%
29%


J2
13%
19%
8%
16%
14%
14%
5%


E1b1b
15.5%
16%
8%
16%
12%
10%
14%


J1
1%
2%
0%
1%
1%
1%
2%


G2a
2%
6%
13%
5%
2%
3.5%
0.5%


I1
5.5%
3%
0%
4%
3%
5%
3%


N1c
0.5%
1%
5%
1%
1.5%
2%
3%


T
0.5%
1%
0%
0.5%
2%
0%
1%


Q1
0%
1%
0%
0.5%
1%
0%
0.5%


E-V22
1%
0%
2%
0%
0%
0%
0%


H
0%
1%
0%
0%
0%
0.5%
0%


Total
234
268
39
541
315
166
212

</tbody>
</google-sheets-html-origin>





Siebenbürgen rules! Almost 40% IEs!

[Dirdepo]

Which company did you test with?

All

[Black Wolf]

All

Do you have any Romanian matches on your 23andme ''relatives'' list that are J2a do you know?

[Ion Basescul]

I pulled together all the sources that I could find and came up with about 1200 regional samples.

Here are the results on regional level:

<google-sheets-html-origin style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: medium;">
<tbody>
Haplogroup
Oltenia
Muntenia
Dobrogea
Wallachia (Oltenia,Muntenia and Dobrogea)
Transylvania
Moldavia
Republic of Moldova


R1b
15%
13%
18%
14%
19%
12%
11%


R1a
20%
13%
8%
16%
19.5%
20.5%
30%


I2
26%
24%
38%
26%
25%
31.5%
29%


J2
13%
19%
8%
16%
14%
14%
5%


E1b1b
15.5%
16%
8%
16%
12%
10%
14%


J1
1%
2%
0%
1%
1%
1%
2%


G2a
2%
6%
13%
5%
2%
3.5%
0.5%


I1
5.5%
3%
0%
4%
3%
5%
3%


N1c
0.5%
1%
5%
1%
1.5%
2%
3%


T
0.5%
1%
0%
0.5%
2%
0%
1%


Q1
0%
1%
0%
0.5%
1%
0%
0.5%


E-V22
1%
0%
2%
0%
0%
0%
0%


H
0%
1%
0%
0%
0%
0.5%
0%


Total
234
268
39
541
315
166
212

</tbody>
</google-sheets-html-origin>



Update

<google-sheets-html-origin style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: medium;">
<colgroup><col style="width: 120px"><col width="120"><col width="120"><col width="120"><col width="130"></colgroup><tbody>
Haplogroup
Wallachia
Transylvania
Moldavia
Republic of Moldova


R1b
15%
19.5%
13%
10.5%


R1a
15%
19%
18%
30%


I2
25%
25.5%
32%
29%


J2
16%
13%
14%
5%


E1b1b
16%
12%
10%
14%


J1
1%
1%
1%
2%


G2a
5%
2%
3%
1%


I1
4%
3%
6%
3.5%


N1c
1%
2%
2%
3%


T
1%
2%
0%
2%


Q1
1%
1%
0%
0%


E (other)
1%
0%
0%
0%


H
0%
0%
1%
0%


Total
566
340
191
229

</tbody>
</google-sheets-html-origin>

[Rethel]

Interesitng, that:
Vallachia and romanian Moldavia have 30% R1,
but
Siebenburgen and free Moldavia have 40% R1.

[Ion Basescul]

Interesitng, that:
Vallachia and romanian Moldavia have 30% R1,
but
Siebenburgen and free Moldavia have 40% R1.

I'm personally interested in the discrepancy for J2 between Republic of Moldova and Romania's regions. E-V13 seems to be following the trend, but J2 must be linked to some movement of people that didn't settle as prominently here. Are those Aromanians/Vlachs perhaps? J2 is at high levels among them.

[canadienne]

What about mtdna distribution?

[Ion Basescul]

What about mtdna distribution?

Maybe one day there will be a thread on it too.

[Ion Basescul]

What about mtdna distribution?

I actually have this from some time ago, but it contains only academic samples.

https://i.ibb.co/X8XYRB4/image.png

[Gallop]

I pulled together all the sources that I could find and came up with about 1200 regional samples.

Here are the results on regional level:

<google-sheets-html-origin style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: medium;">
<tbody>
Haplogroup
Oltenia
Muntenia
Dobrogea
Wallachia (Oltenia,Muntenia and Dobrogea)
Transylvania
Moldavia
Republic of Moldova


R1b
15%
13%
18%
14%
19%
12%
11%


R1a
20%
13%
8%
16%
19.5%
20.5%
30%


I2
26%
24%
38%
26%
25%
31.5%
29%


J2
13%
19%
8%
16%
14%
14%
5%


E1b1b
15.5%
16%
8%
16%
12%
10%
14%


J1
1%
2%
0%
1%
1%
1%
2%


G2a
2%
6%
13%
5%
2%
3.5%
0.5%


I1
5.5%
3%
0%
4%
3%
5%
3%


N1c
0.5%
1%
5%
1%
1.5%
2%
3%


T
0.5%
1%
0%
0.5%
2%
0%
1%


Q1
0%
1%
0%
0.5%
1%
0%
0.5%


E-V22
1%
0%
2%
0%
0%
0%
0%


H
0%
1%
0%
0%
0%
0.5%
0%


Total
234
268
39
541
315
166
212

</tbody>
</google-sheets-html-origin>

County level (only academic sources; not shown below, but included in regional totals are those from FTDNA projects, Yfull and 23andme)
Muntenia (Greater Wallachia)

<google-sheets-html-origin style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: medium;">
<tbody>
Haplogroup
Calarasi
Arges
Dambovita
Ialomita
Teleorman
Prahova
Giurgiu
Bucuresti


R1b
8%
33%
0%
0%
29%
8%
20%
14%


R1a
13%
17%
0%
50%
0%
8%
20%
13%


I2
27%
17%
33%
0%
43%
35%
27%
15%


J2
13%
33%
33%
0%
0%
18%
24%
18%


E1b1b
25%
0%
17%
0%
14%
18%
7%
19%


J1
2%
0%
0%
0%
0%
3%
0%
3%


G2a
6%
0%
17%
0%
14%
10%
0%
6%


I1
6%
0%
0%
0%
0%
3%
0%
5%


N1c
0%
0%
0%
0%
0%
0%
0%
1%


T
0%
0%
0%
0%
0%
0%
2%
2%


Q1
0%
0%
0%
0%
0%
0%
0%
2%


E-V22
0%
0%
0%
0%
0%
0%
0%
0%


H
0%
0%
0%
50%
0%
0%
0%
1%


Total
48
6
6
2
7
40
45
104

</tbody>
</google-sheets-html-origin>

Oltenia (Lesser Wallachia)

<google-sheets-html-origin style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: medium;">
<tbody>
Haplogroup
Mehedinti
Dolj
Olt


R1b
21%
13%
15%


R1a
17%
23%
5%


I2
28%
24%
45%


J2
21%
12%
10%


E1b1b
14%
16%
15%


J1
0%
1%
0%


G2a
0%
2%
10%


I1
0%
7%
0%


N1c
0%
1%
0%


T
0%
1%
0%


Q1
0%
1%
0%


E-V22
0%
1%
0%


H
0%
0%
0%


Total
29
182
20

</tbody>
</google-sheets-html-origin>

Transylvania

<google-sheets-html-origin style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: medium;">
<tbody>
Haplogroup
Maramures
Bihor
Arad
Alba
Cluj
Brasov


R1b
24%
19%
33%
30%
11%
10%


R1a
17%
18%
13%
19%
29%
14%


I2
21%
30%
17%
33%
16%
28%


J2
31%
12%
23%
0%
9%
16%


E1b1b
3%
12%
3%
11%
18%
18%


J1
0%
1%
0%
0%
2%
4%


G2a
3%
0%
0%
0%
5%
0%


I1
0%
1%
0%
0%
5%
8%


N1c
0%
2%
3%
0%
2%
0%


T
0%
1%
7%
7%
2%
0%


Q1
0%
3%
0%
0%
0%
2%


E-V22
0%
0%
0%
0%
0%
0%


H
0%
0%
0%
0%
0%
0%


Total
29
105
30
27
55
50

</tbody>
</google-sheets-html-origin>

Moldavia

<google-sheets-html-origin style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: medium;">
<tbody>
Haplogroup
Vrancea
Neamt
Suceava


R1b
16%
8%
43%


R1a
16%
24%
14%


I2
23%
42%
14%


J2
16%
11%
14%


E1b1b
16%
7%
0%


J1
2%
0%
0%


G2a
2%
4%
0%


I1
7%
2%
0%


N1c
2%
1%
14%


T
0%
0%
0%


Q1
0%
0%
0%


E-V22
0%
0%
0%


H
0%
1%
0%


Total
44
89
7

</tbody>
</google-sheets-html-origin>

Republic of Moldova

<google-sheets-html-origin style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: medium;">
<tbody>
Haplogroup
Stefan Voda
Drochia
Chisinau


R1b
15%
17%
6%


R1a
37%
22%
36%


I2
21%
28%
37%


J2
4%
4%
3%


E1b1b
13%
13%
10%


J1
6%
2%
0%


G2a
0%
2%
0%


I1
3%
7%
0%


N1c
1%
2%
6%


T
0%
2%
3%


Q1
0%
2%
0%


E-V22
0%
0%
0%


H
0%
0%
0%


Total
71
54
70

</tbody>
</google-sheets-html-origin>


What is the origin of this E-V22 origin in Dolj, Dobrojea and Oltenia?

[andre]

I pulled together all the sources that I could find and came up with about 1200 regional samples.

Here are the results on regional level:

<google-sheets-html-origin style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: medium;">
<tbody>
Haplogroup
Oltenia
Muntenia
Dobrogea
Wallachia (Oltenia,Muntenia and Dobrogea)
Transylvania
Moldavia
Republic of Moldova


R1b
15%
13%
18%
14%
19%
12%
11%


R1a
20%
13%
8%
16%
19.5%
20.5%
30%


I2
26%
24%
38%
26%
25%
31.5%
29%


J2
13%
19%
8%
16%
14%
14%
5%


E1b1b
15.5%
16%
8%
16%
12%
10%
14%


J1
1%
2%
0%
1%
1%
1%
2%


G2a
2%
6%
13%
5%
2%
3.5%
0.5%


I1
5.5%
3%
0%
4%
3%
5%
3%


N1c
0.5%
1%
5%
1%
1.5%
2%
3%


T
0.5%
1%
0%
0.5%
2%
0%
1%


Q1
0%
1%
0%
0.5%
1%
0%
0.5%


E-V22
1%
0%
2%
0%
0%
0%
0%


H
0%
1%
0%
0%
0%
0.5%
0%


Total
234
268
39
541
315
166
212

</tbody>
</google-sheets-html-origin>

County level (only academic sources; not shown below, but included in regional totals are those from FTDNA projects, Yfull and 23andme)
Muntenia (Greater Wallachia)

<google-sheets-html-origin style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: medium;">
<tbody>
Haplogroup
Calarasi
Arges
Dambovita
Ialomita
Teleorman
Prahova
Giurgiu
Bucuresti


R1b
8%
33%
0%
0%
29%
8%
20%
14%


R1a
13%
17%
0%
50%
0%
8%
20%
13%


I2
27%
17%
33%
0%
43%
35%
27%
15%


J2
13%
33%
33%
0%
0%
18%
24%
18%


E1b1b
25%
0%
17%
0%
14%
18%
7%
19%


J1
2%
0%
0%
0%
0%
3%
0%
3%


G2a
6%
0%
17%
0%
14%
10%
0%
6%


I1
6%
0%
0%
0%
0%
3%
0%
5%


N1c
0%
0%
0%
0%
0%
0%
0%
1%


T
0%
0%
0%
0%
0%
0%
2%
2%


Q1
0%
0%
0%
0%
0%
0%
0%
2%


E-V22
0%
0%
0%
0%
0%
0%
0%
0%


H
0%
0%
0%
50%
0%
0%
0%
1%


Total
48
6
6
2
7
40
45
104

</tbody>
</google-sheets-html-origin>

Oltenia (Lesser Wallachia)

<google-sheets-html-origin style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: medium;">
<tbody>
Haplogroup
Mehedinti
Dolj
Olt


R1b
21%
13%
15%


R1a
17%
23%
5%


I2
28%
24%
45%


J2
21%
12%
10%


E1b1b
14%
16%
15%


J1
0%
1%
0%


G2a
0%
2%
10%


I1
0%
7%
0%


N1c
0%
1%
0%


T
0%
1%
0%


Q1
0%
1%
0%


E-V22
0%
1%
0%


H
0%
0%
0%


Total
29
182
20

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Transylvania

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Haplogroup
Maramures
Bihor
Arad
Alba
Cluj
Brasov


R1b
24%
19%
33%
30%
11%
10%


R1a
17%
18%
13%
19%
29%
14%


I2
21%
30%
17%
33%
16%
28%


J2
31%
12%
23%
0%
9%
16%


E1b1b
3%
12%
3%
11%
18%
18%


J1
0%
1%
0%
0%
2%
4%


G2a
3%
0%
0%
0%
5%
0%


I1
0%
1%
0%
0%
5%
8%


N1c
0%
2%
3%
0%
2%
0%


T
0%
1%
7%
7%
2%
0%


Q1
0%
3%
0%
0%
0%
2%


E-V22
0%
0%
0%
0%
0%
0%


H
0%
0%
0%
0%
0%
0%


Total
29
105
30
27
55
50

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Moldavia

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Haplogroup
Vrancea
Neamt
Suceava


R1b
16%
8%
43%


R1a
16%
24%
14%


I2
23%
42%
14%


J2
16%
11%
14%


E1b1b
16%
7%
0%


J1
2%
0%
0%


G2a
2%
4%
0%


I1
7%
2%
0%


N1c
2%
1%
14%


T
0%
0%
0%


Q1
0%
0%
0%


E-V22
0%
0%
0%


H
0%
1%
0%


Total
44
89
7

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Republic of Moldova

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Haplogroup
Stefan Voda
Drochia
Chisinau


R1b
15%
17%
6%


R1a
37%
22%
36%


I2
21%
28%
37%


J2
4%
4%
3%


E1b1b
13%
13%
10%


J1
6%
2%
0%


G2a
0%
2%
0%


I1
3%
7%
0%


N1c
1%
2%
6%


T
0%
2%
3%


Q1
0%
2%
0%


E-V22
0%
0%
0%


H
0%
0%
0%


Total
71
54
70

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In the Moldavia samples (n: 166), are included only ethnic romanians or catholics, roma and others minorities too?

[Ion Basescul]

In the Moldavia samples (n: 166), are included only ethnic romanians or catholics, roma and others minorities too?

Those are only academic samples

[Nausevar]

Did you find some J-L283?