Alternative customized Polish references.

[gixajo]

Hard work to differentiate from neighbouring countries but here you have if you want to try them.



Polish:B,0.131276,0.131340,0.067504,0.059432,0.038 673,0.020266,0.005405,0.008769,0.001295,-0.020167,-0.008498,-0.004096,0.011843,0.018992,-0.006967,0.000972,-0.000261,-0.00076,0.0010053,-0.001334,-0.006155,-0.004946,0.007477,0.003615,-0.000718
Polish:C,0.131558,0.130306,0.068686,0.058585,0.039 675,0.020990,0.007042,0.009816,0.000181,-0.019360,-0.006424,-0.005258,0.012468,0.018811,-0.006996,0.000206,0.000643,-0.000417,0.001850,-0.000024,-0.004642,-0.004033,0.006542,0.000141,-0.000403
Polish:D,0.132761,0.131561,0.068401,0.055704,0.038 837,0.021654,0.007439,0.009118,0.001106,-0.021255,-0.007572,-0.004767,0.013852,0.019390,-0.008500,0.000348,0.001344,-0.002546,0.001035,-0.002329,-0.006095,-0.006002,0.005782,-0.000515,0.001223


"Official" modern averages datasheet Polish reference:


Polish,0.13184,0.12927,0.069868,0.057738,0.040676, 0.021713,0.008678,0.010863,-0.000933,-0.018553,-0.004349,-0.006419,0.013093,0.018629,-0.007024,-0.00056,0.001546,-7.4e-05,0.002695,0.001287,-0.003129,-0.003119,0.005606,-0.003333,-8.8e-05

And some neighbouring countries or countries close to Polish could have "interferences" due to Slav&German&Baltic or anything else.(original sources from modern averages datasheet)


Cossack_Ukrainian,0.135449,0.116786,0.071653,0.060 078,0.033852,0.023148,0.011281,0.010615,0.003068,-0.017859,-0.000974,-0.008243,0.017839,0.021744,-0.009093,0.001989,0.000391,0.005194,0.00352,0.0033 77,-0.009608,-0.002349,0.004067,-0.006868,0.000599
Czech,0.13116,0.131862,0.060484,0.047258,0.038658, 0.018922,0.006345,0.008662,0.004673,-0.008887,-0.001686,-0.003897,0.006049,0.011772,0.001743,0.000999,-0.000642,-0.000146,0.003568,0.002896,-0.001267,-0.000162,0.006513,0.00393,0.001594
German,0.130263,0.137379,0.057981,0.038707,0.04000 3,0.015646,0.004067,0.005787,0.003526,0.00188,-0.004413,0.002373,-0.005371,-0.002542,0.008513,0.003291,-0.003273,0.001663,0.003367,0.001719,0.00314,0.0020 05,7.2e-05,0.008305,0.000277
German_East,0.130897,0.138493,0.061094,0.049984,0. 038123,0.016141,0.006316,0.007038,0.002199,-0.00492,-0.005217,-0.00178,-3.7e-05,0.008223,0.001306,-0.003132,-0.007905,0.001188,0.005311,-0.00075,0.000624,-0.001113,0.001772,0.001612,-0.000314
Hungarian,0.127076,0.129625,0.055356,0.03643,0.036 38,0.011933,0.006614,0.007533,0.00206,-0.004673,-0.001473,-0.002719,0.003855,0.008749,-0.004372,0.000123,-8.4e-05,-0.000389,0.002649,-0.001322,-0.003378,0.001387,0.005529,0.002694,0.000479
Austrian,0.129089,0.135005,0.054394,0.032737,0.034 776,0.012567,0.00723,0.006244,0.002827,0.002755,-0.003878,0.000785,-0.001294,0.002785,0.000503,0.003697,0.000222,0.000 79,0.003179,0.000839,-0.000991,-0.002655,0.001667,0.002963,-0.001028
Belarusian,0.132262,0.123623,0.075022,0.069596,0.0 40233,0.026569,0.010732,0.013322,-0.000273,-0.024602,-0.002696,-0.009212,0.019326,0.027231,-0.011265,-0.003801,-0.000965,0.000372,0.00414,-0.001051,-0.004234,-0.004608,0.007724,-0.00686,0.000695
Lithuanian_PA,0.133742,0.124148,0.07962,0.074613,0 .042162,0.029109,0.008725,0.013413,-0.003733,-0.02631,-0.003512,-0.009104,0.018675,0.026647,-0.011876,0.003497,0.004286,0.001029,0.003928,0.001 235,-0.006052,-0.003292,0.009398,-0.006552,-0.000284
Lithuanian_PZ,0.135677,0.125519,0.088397,0.087114, 0.044562,0.035447,0.010646,0.015669,-0.003007,-0.034752,-0.006788,-0.012978,0.023057,0.031516,-0.007112,-0.003222,-0.003481,-0.001634,0.000817,0.003427,-0.002346,-0.005948,0.008442,-0.009013,0.000515
Lithuanian_RA,0.135108,0.124098,0.083306,0.080524, 0.043116,0.029423,0.012315,0.015207,-0.0045,-0.032347,-0.00302,-0.012469,0.024053,0.030002,-0.015296,0.001724,0.007002,-0.001394,0.00494,0.003014,-0.005328,-0.006034,0.010057,-0.006639,-0.000371
Lithuanian_SZ,0.134767,0.125824,0.086134,0.087727, 0.044839,0.031543,0.012808,0.018553,-0.001963,-0.035354,-0.003914,-0.012739,0.023503,0.029603,-0.012391,0.001856,0.005111,-0.00128,0.002087,0.002151,-0.002957,-0.006764,0.007025,-0.010423,0.002934
Lithuanian_VA,0.134425,0.125723,0.082476,0.075098, 0.043331,0.027889,0.009988,0.014884,-0.002045,-0.029868,-0.002955,-0.013833,0.020039,0.028006,-0.011061,0.002943,0.006141,-0.00057,0.002313,0.006115,-0.003731,-0.00481,0.007235,-0.007881,-0.000862
Lithuanian_VZ,0.137299,0.12618,0.085088,0.082365,0 .044431,0.032665,0.010487,0.017624,-0.003605,-0.031527,-0.003613,-0.009704,0.019976,0.030139,-0.01045,-0.004558,-0.000603,0.001283,0.003252,0.001344,-0.004383,-0.005673,0.00835,-0.005874,-0.001317
Latvian,0.135449,0.122473,0.088774,0.089471,0.0432 08,0.034025,0.012597,0.014076,-0.002168,-0.036885,-0.003573,-0.013818,0.023221,0.031378,-0.010559,0.004057,0.002712,-0.00038,0.001609,0.004302,-0.002795,-0.005713,0.009071,-0.009327,0.002634
Estonian,0.132945,0.114146,0.087756,0.083302,0.042 777,0.029758,0.011375,0.014446,0.000409,-0.028447,6.5e-05,-0.012349,0.01946,0.021359,-0.006664,0.00171,0.000222,-0.002483,0.001345,0.002214,0.001385,-0.001867,0.004264,0.000747,0.003054
Ukrainian,0.130927,0.124087,0.06835,0.057555,0.037 687,0.021294,0.008765,0.011307,-0.002891,-0.0211,-0.001633,-0.007659,0.015356,0.021633,-0.011235,-0.001097,0.00469,-0.000699,0.002599,0.0017,-0.004499,-0.003479,0.006739,-0.004058,0.000722
Russian_Kostroma,0.128241,0.087336,0.081458,0.0680 46,0.027441,0.021521,0.011907,0.012999,-0.003375,-0.029947,0.004222,-0.007493,0.017963,0.01234,-0.009138,-0.003911,0.000913,-0.001626,-0.00176,0.000479,6.2e-05,-0.001443,0.003595,-0.000602,-0.002056
Russian_Kursk,0.131181,0.115516,0.069673,0.065892, 0.032621,0.022172,0.010752,0.01298,-0.004039,-0.025786,-0.001867,-0.007269,0.018806,0.019577,-0.013097,0.002088,0.003651,0.000887,0.002545,0.000 625,-0.003743,-0.008099,0.005854,-0.00476,-0.001377
Russian_Orel,0.131222,0.118672,0.071707,0.062478,0 .033149,0.022231,0.008528,0.011999,-0.004909,-0.025305,-0.001299,-0.007194,0.014717,0.023337,-0.01204,-0.000814,0.002384,-0.001973,0.003035,0.001483,-0.004528,-0.005564,0.005828,-0.005354,-0.001112
Russian_Pinega,0.124826,0.06364,0.094532,0.07752,0 .02185,0.023241,0.011829,0.014615,0.001364,-0.031162,0.007091,-0.011939,0.023934,0.011331,-0.010224,-0.003757,-0.003998,-0.00228,-0.005195,-0.001042,0.007612,-0.000124,0.001972,-0.00241,0.002076
Russian_Smolensk,0.134454,0.12326,0.072124,0.06633 6,0.039123,0.024996,0.011604,0.012692,0.000102,-0.025399,-0.003532,-0.008823,0.016892,0.029004,-0.009806,-0.007823,-0.003341,-0.000839,4.7e-05,0.001782,0.000109,-0.004235,0.0059,-0.006402,0.000329
Russian_Tver,0.130043,0.106377,0.075141,0.069284,0 .035237,0.026146,0.010517,0.013211,-0.004857,-0.027518,-0.000284,-0.009367,0.016241,0.022639,-0.008313,0.002917,0.006193,-0.001457,-0.00088,0.001563,-0.002964,-0.005533,0.010076,-0.001868,-0.003113
Russian_Voronez,0.130897,0.12161,0.073539,0.060886 ,0.036084,0.02252,0.009694,0.011711,-0.002454,-0.02401,0.000812,-0.007905,0.017282,0.024359,-0.01364,-0.003713,0.001239,0.001109,0.002828,0.003439,-0.002371,-0.003215,0.002373,-0.005031,-0.001976

Here you have to check them or simply to play with them. Alone could work well, the problem could come when you start to mix them in sources with other references, as always.

You are free to criticize references, me, my family, or my hair cut.:)

[Gallop]

Target: Gallop_scaled
Distance: 6.9422% / 0.06942160
96.6 Austrian
3.4 German

Distance to: Gallop_scaled
0.06942411 Austrian
0.07141783 German
0.07933039 Hungarian
0.08542113 German_East
0.08965634 Czech
0.10899188 Polish

[gixajo]

Target: Gallop_scaled
Distance: 6.9422% / 0.06942160
96.6 Austrian
3.4 German

Distance to: Gallop_scaled
0.06942411 Austrian
0.07141783 German
0.07933039 Hungarian
0.08542113 German_East
0.08965634 Czech
0.10899188 Polish

Nuestros resultados como que no me sirven de mucho, pero gracias. ;)

[Defcon2]

Nuestros resultados como que no me sirven de mucho, pero gracias. ;)

I'm Polish, oops ... it seems I'm adopted.

Target: Juan_scaled
Distance: 7.9024% / 0.07902420
100.0 Austrian


Distance to: Juan_scaled
0.07902420 Austrian
0.08153240 German
0.08680800 Hungarian
0.09383447 German_East
0.09870289 Czech
0.11673786 Polish:B
0.11716819 Polish:C
0.11757196 Polish:D
0.11790761 Polish
0.12199332 Ukrainian
0.12590044 Cossack_Ukrainian
0.12824768 Russian_Voronez
0.12949922 Russian_Orel
0.13185080 Russian_Kursk
0.13229798 Russian_Smolensk
0.13502754 Belarusian
0.13877221 Russian_Tver
0.14241150 Lithuanian_PA
0.14283148 Russian_Kostroma
0.14664179 Lithuanian_VA
0.14942352 Estonian
0.15262101 Lithuanian_VZ
0.15398636 Lithuanian_RA
0.15945555 Lithuanian_PZ
0.15961997 Lithuanian_SZ

[mitalit]

A mi no hace falta que me lo agradezcas.
Target: Xabier_scaled
Distance: 5.8581% / 0.05858075
87.6 Austrian
12.4 German

Distance to: Xabier_scaled
0.05861975 Austrian
0.06052544 German
0.06886616 Hungarian
0.07762540 German_East
0.07969766 Czech
0.10512755 Ukrainian
0.10967427 Cossack_Ukrainian
0.11284190 Russian_Orel
0.11308286 Russian_Voronez
0.11566398 Russian_Kursk
0.11780225 Russian_Smolensk
0.12048330 Belarusian
0.12159783 Russian_Tver
0.12595901 Lithuanian_PA
0.12711817 Russian_Kostroma
0.12942750 Lithuanian_VA
0.13289892 Estonian
0.13746812 Lithuanian_RA
0.13751343 Lithuanian_VZ
0.14331081 Lithuanian_SZ
0.14414980 Lithuanian_PZ
0.14684319 Latvian
0.15044849 Russian_Pinega

[gixajo]

I'm Polish, oops ... it seems I'm adopted.

Target: Juan_scaled
Distance: 7.9024% / 0.07902420
100.0 Austrian


Distance to: Juan_scaled
0.07902420 Austrian
0.08153240 German
0.08680800 Hungarian
0.09383447 German_East
0.09870289 Czech
0.11673786 Polish:B
0.11716819 Polish:C
0.11757196 Polish:D
0.11790761 Polish
0.12199332 Ukrainian
0.12590044 Cossack_Ukrainian
0.12824768 Russian_Voronez
0.12949922 Russian_Orel
0.13185080 Russian_Kursk
0.13229798 Russian_Smolensk
0.13502754 Belarusian
0.13877221 Russian_Tver
0.14241150 Lithuanian_PA
0.14283148 Russian_Kostroma
0.14664179 Lithuanian_VA
0.14942352 Estonian
0.15262101 Lithuanian_VZ
0.15398636 Lithuanian_RA
0.15945555 Lithuanian_PZ
0.15961997 Lithuanian_SZ


Parece que los polacos están todos de fiesta hoy, no hacen más que entrar españoles pesados disfrazados de austríacos a probar mis relucientes referencias.

Al menos limpiadlas cuando me las devolváis, las dejáis todas llenas de mierda.

Marditoh roedoreh.

[gixajo]

A mi no hace falta que me lo agradezcas.
Target: Xabier_scaled
Distance: 5.8581% / 0.05858075
87.6 Austrian
12.4 German



Otro más?

A tí te he pillado, una de las referencias que has probado me la has devuelto con un moco pegado...

[mitalit]

Otro más?

A tí te he pillado, una de las referencias que has probado me la has devuelto con un moco pegado...
Tio, porque no sepa polaco, no viva en polonia y en general no tenga nada que ver con polonia no significa que no sea polaco. Guárdate esos prejuicios...

[Gallop]

Nuestros resultados como que no me sirven de mucho, pero gracias. ;)

De nada. :D

[gixajo]

Tio, porque no sepa polaco, no viva en polonia y en general no tenga nada que ver con polonia no significa que no sea polaco. Guárdate esos prejuicios...

Ante ese argumento no puedo más que callarme.:hrm00000:

[gixajo]

Veo que vamos por el camino de hacer de un thread inicialmente serio otra fiesta surrealista española.:picard1:

[gixajo]

Ahora que lo pienso, Defcon2, sí es polaco, él sí puede usar las referencias.

[Defcon2]

Ahora que lo pienso, Defcon2, sí es polaco, él sí puede usar las referencias.

Suelo puntuar algún porcentaje de Karelia el cazador en taparrabos proto-polaco... no descartar.

[gixajo]

Suelo puntuar algún porcentaje de Karelia el cazador en taparrabos proto-polaco... no descartar.

Lo decía porque eres de catalonia, no se los llama polacos?

El taparrabos debería ser enorme, sospecho.

[calxpal]

Being a quarter Ukrainian, I'm hoping this calc will be decent ;).

Target: cpalscaled
Distance: 2.7704% / 0.02770393
57.4 Austrian
40.8 German
1.8 Russian_Tver

Distance to: cpalscaled
0.02859929 Austrian
0.02960434 German
0.03510876 Hungarian
0.03834306 Czech
0.04414833 German_East
0.05669550 Polish:B
0.05691689 Polish:C
0.05790689 Polish:D
0.06136612 Ukrainian
0.06573552 Cossack_Ukrainian
0.06853849 Russian_Orel
0.06943810 Russian_Voronez
0.06993286 Russian_Kursk
0.07468246 Russian_Tver
0.07600076 Russian_Smolensk
0.07735713 Belarusian
0.07959531 Lithuanian_PA
0.08306334 Lithuanian_VA
0.08399265 Russian_Kostroma
0.08611611 Estonian
0.09063239 Lithuanian_RA
0.09227209 Lithuanian_VZ
0.09730833 Lithuanian_SZ
0.09945025 Lithuanian_PZ
0.09984787 Latvian

I'm a bit surprised I didn't get any Ukrainian in the breakdown, but the top 5 populations are pretty close to what I get on many other calcs ;).

[Scandal]

Target: Universe_scaled:K13&K15
Distance: 1.1814% / 0.01181367
70.2 Hungarian
13.0 Russian_Kursk
8.6 Russian_Voronez
8.2 Russian_Smolensk

Distance to: Universe_scaled:K13&K15
0.01886825 Hungarian
0.02005855 Czech
0.02690861 Polish:C
0.02719789 Polish:D
0.02765738 Ukrainian
0.02822052 Polish:B
0.02877564 German_East
0.03183399 Austrian
0.03425747 Cossack_Ukrainian
0.03472449 Russian_Voronez
0.03517094 Russian_Orel
0.03800603 Russian_Kursk
0.04054454 Russian_Smolensk
0.04083797 German
0.04313863 Belarusian
0.04708053 Russian_Tver
0.05092800 Lithuanian_PA
0.05464463 Lithuanian_VA
0.05919043 Russian_Kostroma
0.06116572 Estonian
0.06172236 Lithuanian_RA
0.06294749 Lithuanian_VZ
0.06885040 Lithuanian_SZ
0.06997157 Lithuanian_PZ
0.07208472 Latvian

[Scandal]

where da poles at

[gixajo]

Being a quarter Ukrainian, I'm hoping this calc will be decent ;).

Target: cpalscaled
Distance: 2.7704% / 0.02770393
57.4 Austrian
40.8 German
1.8 Russian_Tver

Distance to: cpalscaled
0.02859929 Austrian
0.02960434 German
0.03510876 Hungarian
0.03834306 Czech
0.04414833 German_East
0.05669550 Polish:B
0.05691689 Polish:C
0.05790689 Polish:D
0.06136612 Ukrainian
0.06573552 Cossack_Ukrainian
0.06853849 Russian_Orel
0.06943810 Russian_Voronez
0.06993286 Russian_Kursk
0.07468246 Russian_Tver
0.07600076 Russian_Smolensk
0.07735713 Belarusian
0.07959531 Lithuanian_PA
0.08306334 Lithuanian_VA
0.08399265 Russian_Kostroma
0.08611611 Estonian
0.09063239 Lithuanian_RA
0.09227209 Lithuanian_VZ
0.09730833 Lithuanian_SZ
0.09945025 Lithuanian_PZ
0.09984787 Latvian

I'm a bit surprised I didn't get any Ukrainian in the breakdown, but the top 5 populations are pretty close to what I get on many other calcs ;).

Difficult to score many Ukranian for any with Ukranian background with these sources full of close references.:rolleyes:

But tell me where comes from the other 75% and I can give you the correspondent references to try a better sources for you.

But Ukranian and Polish are quite difficult to differentiate.

[gixajo]

where da poles at

It was Saturday night so guess it...;)

[Lucas]

It was Saturday night so guess it...;)

Good guess in my case:) Late dinner with friends.


I'm too east shifted. I ask michal3121 to try he is more balanced.

Distance to: Lukasz_scaled
0.02469762 Russian_Smolensk
0.02588022 Belarusian
0.02835042 Russian_Voronez
0.03025774 Polish "official"
0.03055164 Polish: D
0.03080204 Ukrainian
0.03124992 Polish:C
0.03324871 Russian_Orel
0.03333108 Polish:B
0.03440524 Lithuanian_PA
0.03541132 Cossack_Ukrainian
0.03588411 Lithuanian_VA
0.03719013 Russian_Kursk
0.03747035 Lithuanian_VZ
0.03964994 Lithuanian_RA
0.04222264 Lithuanian_PZ
0.04430943 Lithuanian_SZ
0.04620649 Russian_Tver
0.04641203 Estonian
0.04739806 Czech
0.04759883 Latvian
0.04986500 German_East
0.05630131 Hungarian
0.06333556 Russian_Kostroma
0.06681433 Austrian

without Russian and Belarussian

Target: Lukasz_scaled
Distance: 2.6110% / 0.02611044
45.6 Polish: D
34.2 Lithuanian_PZ (you see)
11.6 Ukrainian
8.6 German_East

[gixajo]

Maybe better forget countries and try modellate that people area through models with this type type of components: Slav+"Germanic"and/or Baltic and if you want too, add some ashkenazi reference. With these 3/4 components could be enough. What do you think?



German:B,0.12850750,0.13434200,0.05953750,0.042428 00,0.04023600,0.01613500,0.00530550,0.00693350,0.0 0355100,0.00110350,-0.00542900,0.00348000,-0.00703950,-0.00569200,0.01297850,0.00431800,-0.00574350,0.00146500,0.00381850,0.00226650,0.0039 1550,0.00243600,0.00017000,0.01182950,-0.00010750
Slav:A,0.13138390,0.12667805,0.06910955,0.05764665 ,0.03918105,0.02150315,0.00872160,0.01108490,-0.00191195,-0.01982615,-0.00299075,-0.00703905,0.01422465,0.02013115,-0.00912990,-0.00082800,0.00311790,-0.00038630,0.00264685,0.00149370,-0.00381375,-0.00329875,0.00617250,-0.00369530,0.00031705
Baltic,0.13419740,0.11830925,0.08826510,0.08638635 ,0.04299255,0.03189105,0.01198555,0.01426095,-0.00087945,-0.03266560,-0.00175390,-0.01308335,0.02134025,0.02636855,-0.00861145,0.00288380,0.00146670,-0.00143170,0.00147695,0.00325795,-0.00070510,-0.00379000,0.00666760,-0.00428965,0.00284405



https://i.imgur.com/zNV76OF.png

I will do an Askenazi Average to include it in the sources.

[gixajo]

So here you have if you are interested in it, the Ashkenazi average:


Ashkenazi:A,0.099970,0.135429,-0.008377,-0.041881,0.010566,-0.015231,-0.001245,-0.000821,0.007360,0.014738,0.001841,-0.000588,0.002471,-0.000415,-0.004074,0.000929,-0.000614,-0.000406,-0.000085,-0.002904,-0.003305,-0.002439,0.001605,0.002374,0.000129

Ashkenazi:A,=Ashkenazi_Belarussia,+Ashkenazi_Germa ny,+Ashkenazi_Lithuania+Ashkenazi_Poland,+Ashkenaz i_Russia,+Ashkenazi_Ukraine,

Target: Ashkenazi:A
Distance: 0.0009% / 0.00000933
16.8Ashkenazi_Belarussia16.8Ashkenazi_Poland16.6As hkenazi_Germany16.6Ashkenazi_Lithuania16.6Ashkenaz i_Russia16.6Ashkenazi_Ukraine

[michal3141]

I am also too east shifted:

0.02672977 Ukrainian
0.02674947 Russian_Kursk
0.02901996 Cossack_Ukrainian
0.03014519 Russian_Orel
0.03032329 Polish:C
0.03129903 Polish:D
0.03132731 Russian_Tver
0.03217514 Russian_Voronez
0.03230189 Polish:B
0.03636893 Lithuanian_PA
0.03713891 Belarusian
0.03914841 Lithuanian_VA
0.03932614 Czech
0.04015495 Russian_Smolensk
0.04416065 Lithuanian_RA
0.04528852 Estonian
0.04628030 Hungarian
0.04768352 Russian_Kostroma
0.05025504 German_East
0.05068626 Lithuanian_VZ
0.05197456 Lithuanian_SZ
0.05456221 Latvian
0.05476287 Austrian
0.05733899 Lithuanian_PZ
0.06009916 German

[gixajo]

Maybe this model is better for all of you:


German:B,0.12850750,0.13434200,0.05953750,0.042428 00,0.04023600,0.01613500,0.00530550,0.00693350,0.0 0355100,0.00110350,-0.00542900,0.00348000,-0.00703950,-0.00569200,0.01297850,0.00431800,-0.00574350,0.00146500,0.00381850,0.00226650,0.0039 1550,0.00243600,0.00017000,0.01182950,-0.00010750
Slav:A,0.13138390,0.12667805,0.06910955,0.05764665 ,0.03918105,0.02150315,0.00872160,0.01108490,-0.00191195,-0.01982615,-0.00299075,-0.00703905,0.01422465,0.02013115,-0.00912990,-0.00082800,0.00311790,-0.00038630,0.00264685,0.00149370,-0.00381375,-0.00329875,0.00617250,-0.00369530,0.00031705
Baltic,0.13419740,0.11830925,0.08826510,0.08638635 ,0.04299255,0.03189105,0.01198555,0.01426095,-0.00087945,-0.03266560,-0.00175390,-0.01308335,0.02134025,0.02636855,-0.00861145,0.00288380,0.00146670,-0.00143170,0.00147695,0.00325795,-0.00070510,-0.00379000,0.00666760,-0.00428965,0.00284405
Ashkenazi:A,0.099970,0.135429,-0.008377,-0.041881,0.010566,-0.015231,-0.001245,-0.000821,0.007360,0.014738,0.001841,-0.000588,0.002471,-0.000415,-0.004074,0.000929,-0.000614,-0.000406,-0.000085,-0.002904,-0.003305,-0.002439,0.001605,0.002374,0.000129

Not too Ashkenazi in the Polish references:

https://i.imgur.com/ZyvdGTw.png

[Grace O'Malley]

Target: Grace_scaled
Distance: 3.3202% / 0.03320160
96.4 German
3.6 Estonian

Distance to: Grace_scaled
0.03332957 German
0.04377664 German_East
0.04754158 Austrian
0.04816829 Czech
0.05444125 Hungarian
0.06328257 Polish:B
0.06367122 Polish:C
0.06462543 Polish
0.06611735 Polish:D
0.07212015 Ukrainian
0.07380695 Cossack_Ukrainian
0.07645017 Russian_Orel
0.07691641 Russian_Voronez
0.07827079 Russian_Smolensk
0.07887127 Russian_Kursk
0.08117576 Belarusian
0.08204903 Russian_Tver
0.08382147 Lithuanian_PA
0.08437841 Estonian
0.08664217 Lithuanian_VA
0.08850681 Russian_Kostroma
0.09099881 Lithuanian_VZ
0.09494872 Lithuanian_RA
0.09543415 Lithuanian_PZ
0.09755723 Lithuanian_SZ

[michal3141]

Distance to: michal3141
0.02766299 Slav:A
0.04878741 Baltic
0.06229842 German:B
0.14814177 Ashkenazi:A

Target: michal3141
Distance: 2.7663% / 0.02766299 | ADC: 2x
100.0 Slav

Target: michal3141
Distance: 2.7663% / 0.02766299 | ADC: 1x
100.0 Slav

Target: michal3141
Distance: 2.7663% / 0.02766299 | ADC: 0.5x
100.0 Slav

Target: michal3141
Distance: 2.7584% / 0.02758405 | ADC: 0.25x
96.6 Slav
3.0 Baltic
0.4 Ashkenazi

Target: michal3141
Distance: 2.6796% / 0.02679610
50.2 Baltic
34.0 Slav
13.6 Ashkenazi
2.2 German

I guess Ashkenazi acts as a proxy for something more southern/med-like

[gixajo]

I am also too east shifted:

0.02672977 Ukrainian
0.02674947 Russian_Kursk
0.02901996 Cossack_Ukrainian
0.03014519 Russian_Orel
0.03032329 Polish:C
0.03129903 Polish:D
0.03132731 Russian_Tver
0.03217514 Russian_Voronez
0.03230189 Polish:B
0.03636893 Lithuanian_PA
0.03713891 Belarusian
0.03914841 Lithuanian_VA
0.03932614 Czech
0.04015495 Russian_Smolensk
0.04416065 Lithuanian_RA
0.04528852 Estonian
0.04628030 Hungarian
0.04768352 Russian_Kostroma
0.05025504 German_East
0.05068626 Lithuanian_VZ
0.05197456 Lithuanian_SZ
0.05456221 Latvian
0.05476287 Austrian
0.05733899 Lithuanian_PZ
0.06009916 German

Impossible mission to separate correctly or accurately Ukranians Polish and Ukranians and some Russian and Belarusian genetically, the borders between references is too "difuse".

[Scandal]

Target: Universe_scaled:K13&K15
Distance: 0.4617% / 0.00461722
38.0 Baltic
28.8 Slav
26.2 Ashkenazi
7.0 German

[gixajo]

Target: Universe_scaled:K13&K15
Distance: 0.4617% / 0.00461722
38.0 Baltic
28.8 Slav
26.2 Ashkenazi
7.0 German

Ashkenazi average and Ashkenazim samples in datasheet:


Ashkenazi(gixajo):A,0.099970,0.135429,-0.008377,-0.041881,0.010566,-0.015231,-0.001245,-0.000821,0.007360,0.014738,0.001841,-0.000588,0.002471,-0.000415,-0.004074,0.000929,-0.000614,-0.000406,-0.000085,-0.002904,-0.003305,-0.002439,0.001605,0.002374,0.000129
Ashkenazi_Belarussia,0.101915,0.133972,-0.00734,-0.03958,0.010771,-0.014459,-0.001012,-0.00103,0.005727,0.014621,0.002448,-0.000369,0.00231,-0.001461,-0.002944,0.002795,0.001815,-0.000341,0.001489,-0.00126,-0.003859,-0.00077,0.00274,0.001566,-0.000295
Ashkenazi_Germany,0.097319,0.142377,-0.014406,-0.049936,0.010925,-0.018769,-0.001974,-0.001754,0.009858,0.018843,0.003962,-0.001124,0.002512,-0.00267,-0.005049,0.003089,0.002203,-0.001698,-0.000779,-0.001126,-0.003344,-0.002696,0.000875,0.001386,0.000814
Ashkenazi_Lithuania,0.099854,0.132757,-0.009222,-0.040375,0.009484,-0.014147,-0.000556,-0.001175,0.006061,0.013701,0.00155,-0.001853,0.002568,0.000625,-0.004442,0.003459,0.0016,0.000161,0.000446,-0.003172,-0.003256,-0.00335,0.002924,0.002443,-0.001056
Ashkenazi_Poland,0.100117,0.136843,-0.007338,-0.043,0.009797,-0.015409,-0.000881,-0.000894,0.008198,0.014275,0.001164,-0.000593,0.00288,0.000166,-0.004145,-0.001674,-0.003765,3.2e-05,-0.000807,-0.004064,-0.002678,-0.002272,0.001689,0.002169,0.001527
Ashkenazi_Russia,0.101189,0.131511,-0.006449,-0.038276,0.010371,-0.014335,-0.001951,-0.000185,0.006545,0.01405,0.00112,3e-04,0.002141,0.00033,-0.005035,-0.000265,-0.001213,-0.00057,-0.002137,-0.003126,-0.003569,-0.002955,0.000629,0.004579,-0.001221
Ashkenazi_Ukraine,0.099424,0.135116,-0.005506,-0.040117,0.012048,-0.014265,-0.001093,0.000115,0.007772,0.012939,0.000804,0.000 112,0.002416,0.000523,-0.00283,-0.00183,-0.004322,-1.9e-05,0.001276,-0.004677,-0.003126,-0.002591,0.00077,0.002103,0.001006


German:B,0.12850750,0.13434200,0.05953750,0.042428 00,0.04023600,0.01613500,0.00530550,0.00693350,0.0 0355100,0.00110350,-0.00542900,0.00348000,-0.00703950,-0.00569200,0.01297850,0.00431800,-0.00574350,0.00146500,0.00381850,0.00226650,0.0039 1550,0.00243600,0.00017000,0.01182950,-0.00010750
Slav:A,0.13138390,0.12667805,0.06910955,0.05764665 ,0.03918105,0.02150315,0.00872160,0.01108490,-0.00191195,-0.01982615,-0.00299075,-0.00703905,0.01422465,0.02013115,-0.00912990,-0.00082800,0.00311790,-0.00038630,0.00264685,0.00149370,-0.00381375,-0.00329875,0.00617250,-0.00369530,0.00031705
Baltic,0.13419740,0.11830925,0.08826510,0.08638635 ,0.04299255,0.03189105,0.01198555,0.01426095,-0.00087945,-0.03266560,-0.00175390,-0.01308335,0.02134025,0.02636855,-0.00861145,0.00288380,0.00146670,-0.00143170,0.00147695,0.00325795,-0.00070510,-0.00379000,0.00666760,-0.00428965,0.00284405
Palestinian/Jewish,0.08970675,0.15220263,-0.04970895,-0.08630155,-0.00821318,-0.02909195,-0.00308430,-0.00400938,0.01374138,0.01814400,0.00735825,-0.00407470,0.00702445,0.00651988,-0.00855050,0.00501358,-0.00108388,0.00259705,0.00276545,0.00053945,-0.00321313,0.00803751,0.00093205,0.00186763,0.0012 6450

https://i.imgur.com/kHH7VLi.png

[gixajo]

Better not to use my baltic reference, it is quite useless :picard1:

[Chris596]

Not working for me (I don't have Austrian ancestry, nor Western European, or very low):

Target: Chris_scaled
Distance: 3.5369% / 0.03536937
72.0 Hungarian
28.0 Austrian

If I delete the Austrian average I get 100% Hungarian. If I delete the Hungarian average I get 68% German and 32% Ukrainian.

This is what happens when I add the Ashkenazi samples:


Target: Chris_scaled
Distance: 2.4517% / 0.02451740
33.0 Ashkenazi_Belarussia
30.0 Ukrainian
22.4 Austrian
14.6 Cossack_Ukrainian

[oszkar07]

East German and Austrian removed because both are too strong midpoints.

Target: Oszkar
Distance: 2.4996% / 0.02499648 | ADC: 0.25x
46.8 German
45.0 Hungarian
8.2 Russian_Smolensk


Target: Oszkar
Distance: 2.4609% / 0.02460938
60.2 German
26.4 Russian_Smolensk
8.0 Ashkenazi
5.4 Hungarian

Distance to: Oszkar
0.02924778 Hungarian
0.03114791 Czech
0.03148532 German:B
0.04657452 Polish:C
0.04677231 Polish
0.04715808 Polish:B
0.04793255 Polish:D
0.04960163 Slav:A
0.05278091 Ukrainian
0.05447413 Cossack_Ukrainian
0.05668131 Russian_Voronez
0.05837558 Russian_Orel
0.05924476 Russian_Smolensk
0.06299326 Russian_Kursk
0.06347663 Belarusian
0.07019447 Russian_Tver
0.07083534 Lithuanian_PA
0.07457437 Lithuanian_VA
0.07706011 Estonian
0.07709291 Russian_Kostroma
0.07890129 Lithuanian_VZ
0.08252976 Lithuanian_RA
0.08307077 Baltic
0.08547915 Lithuanian_PZ
0.08776208 Lithuanian_SZ
0.09017214 Latvian
0.10347761 Russian_Pinega
0.12297406 Ashkenazi:A

[oszkar07]

Target: Oszkar
Distance: 2.6209% / 0.02620916
62.4 German
30.0 Slav
7.6 Ashkenazi_Poland


Target: Oszkar
Distance: 2.6313% / 0.02631349 | ADC: 0.25x
66.6 German
27.6 Slav
5.8 Ashkenazi_Poland

[gixajo]

East German and Austrian removed because both are too strong midpoints.

Target: Oszkar
Distance: 2.4996% / 0.02499648 | ADC: 0.25x
46.8 German
45.0 Hungarian
8.2 Russian_Smolensk


Target: Oszkar
Distance: 2.4609% / 0.02460938
60.2 German
26.4 Russian_Smolensk
8.0 Ashkenazi
5.4 Hungarian

Distance to: Oszkar
0.02924778 Hungarian
0.03114791 Czech
0.03148532 German:B
0.04657452 Polish:C
0.04677231 Polish
0.04715808 Polish:B
0.04793255 Polish:D
0.04960163 Slav:A
0.05278091 Ukrainian
0.05447413 Cossack_Ukrainian
0.05668131 Russian_Voronez
0.05837558 Russian_Orel
0.05924476 Russian_Smolensk
0.06299326 Russian_Kursk
0.06347663 Belarusian
0.07019447 Russian_Tver
0.07083534 Lithuanian_PA
0.07457437 Lithuanian_VA
0.07706011 Estonian
0.07709291 Russian_Kostroma
0.07890129 Lithuanian_VZ
0.08252976 Lithuanian_RA
0.08307077 Baltic
0.08547915 Lithuanian_PZ
0.08776208 Lithuanian_SZ
0.09017214 Latvian
0.10347761 Russian_Pinega
0.12297406 Ashkenazi:A

You are the only who understood the way of using the sources I post.:thumb001:

[gixajo]

You are the only who understood the way of using the sources I post.:thumb001:

At least the most correct way to use them.

[Peterski]

Here are some Poles from my region (Wielkopolska):

Top 4 closest distances to them:

Distance to: Wlkp7
0.02493125 Polish:C
0.02526633 Polish:B
0.02603867 Polish
0.02732182 Polish:D

Distance to: Wlkp6
0.01642892 Polish:C
0.01709657 Polish:D
0.01725763 Polish
0.01775743 Polish:B

Distance to: Wlkp5
0.01932760 Polish:B
0.01991003 Polish:C
0.02036013 Polish:D
0.02219532 Polish

Distance to: Wlkp4
0.02178208 Polish:C
0.02253699 Polish:B
0.02267777 Polish
0.02365176 Ukrainian

Distance to: Wlkp3
0.03004700 Polish:B
0.03039188 Polish:C
0.03109410 Polish:D
0.03190319 Polish

Distance to: Wlkp2
0.02338285 Polish:C
0.02408878 Polish:B
0.02421870 Polish
0.02467877 Polish:D

Distance to: Wlkp1b
0.02156209 Polish:B
0.02470018 Polish:D
0.02477970 Polish:C
0.02810090 Czech

Distance to: Wlkp1a
0.01809611 Polish:B
0.01940570 Polish:C
0.02028667 Polish:D
0.02233837 Polish

Their scaled coordinates:


Wlkp1a,0.133173,0.140143,0.065619,0.058463,0.03385 2,0.022869,0.006815,0.009923,0.000409,-0.018041,-0.003897,-0.001798,0.010109,0.00867,-0.007465,-0.000133,0.002999,0.0019,-0.00088,-0.001251,-0.009982,-0.000742,0.006409,0.006145,-0.002874
Wlkp1b,0.135449,0.142174,0.065619,0.056848,0.03600 7,0.021475,0.004935,0.006,0.005522,-0.01877,-0.004709,-0.005245,0.011744,0.011698,-0.005157,0.00053,0.002868,0.000887,-0.003897,-0.003252,-0.009358,-0.001978,0.007025,0.015785,-0.002634
Wlkp2,0.12862,0.137096,0.061471,0.053295,0.044316, 0.018686,0.00799,0.009692,0.001023,-0.017495,-0.002111,-0.004646,0.010852,0.016377,-0.006515,-0.012066,-0.009257,0.004054,0.000754,-0.005753,-0.004866,0.001237,0.002342,0.001205,-0.002155
Wlkp3,0.133173,0.135065,0.06939,0.05814,0.027697,0 .019243,0.00658,0.006692,-0.001841,-0.02041,-0.004872,-0.007793,0.014271,0.007707,-0.008415,0.017369,0.014864,0,0.002137,0.004877,-0.006364,-0.000618,0.011462,0.006145,-0.002036
Wlkp4,0.124067,0.125926,0.069767,0.059755,0.040007 ,0.023427,0.00893,0.009,0.007158,-0.024602,-0.003735,-0.006444,0.013082,0.017203,-0.012622,0.006099,-0.001434,-0.000633,0.004148,0.013006,-0.002496,-0.005564,0.008134,0.004699,-0.005149
Wlkp5,0.135449,0.141159,0.067505,0.060401,0.03139, 0.026216,0.0094,0.005077,-0.002454,-0.015308,-0.009581,-0.008692,0.014866,0.017753,-0.00475,-0.000796,0.005085,-0.000127,-0.000503,0.003252,-0.006863,-0.00507,0.010106,0.004579,-0.001916
Wlkp6,0.130897,0.128972,0.069013,0.057817,0.043393 ,0.018686,0.012926,0.006231,0.001432,-0.02041,-0.002436,-0.009891,0.017245,0.018717,-0.004886,0.003447,0.002738,0,-0.000754,-0.007379,0.000749,-0.005317,0.004683,0.00482,-0.001437
Wlkp7,0.136588,0.137096,0.073916,0.062662,0.032621 ,0.024542,0.006345,0.002538,-0.004704,-0.020775,0.001299,-0.005545,0.009217,0.010597,-0.002443,-0.003182,0.002608,-0.00152,0.000377,0.009379,-0.007612,0.000866,0.008134,0.008073,0.000359

[gixajo]

Here are some Poles from my region (Wielkopolska):

Top 4 closest distances to them:

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Maybe it´s necessary delete a pair of "extreme" individuals before doing something with these coordinates, what do you opine?

https://i.imgur.com/bOjf4RU.png

[Peterski]

Maybe it´s necessary delete a pair of "extreme" individuals before doing something with these coordinates, what do you opine?

https://i.imgur.com/bOjf4RU.png

Well I sent you a PM.

Wlkp4 is the brother of my maternal grandpa, Davidski says he has some Jewish DNA (even though FTDNA MyOrigins reported 0% Jewish).

His FTDNA results (29% Balkan is probably where they put the Ashkenazi, but of course his Jewish admixture is maybe 10% at the most):

https://i.imgur.com/fHpI2m8.png

Here is a model I got for him using Global25:

https://i.imgur.com/L9TcTdA.png

His DNA Land reports both high Balkan & AJ:

https://i.imgur.com/G5V33pw.png

[Peterski]

If you use this PCA (or Europe2, or North Europe PCA) all the Wlkp samples from 1 to 7 plot quite close to each other:

https://vahaduo.github.io/g25views/#Europe1

BTW what did you use for "Slav" and "Balt" ??? I do suspect that Wlkp4 can have some actual Baltic admix (see PM).

[Peterski]

I am also too east shifted:

Yes, for your region, you are. You would pass better in Lubelskie Voivodeship.

You are an outlier like this sample Wlkp8_o (check in Europe2 or Europe1 PCA):


Wlkp8_o,0.12862,0.126941,0.080704,0.0646,0.043085, 0.021196,0.009165,0.006692,-0.006136,-0.024784,-0.006333,-0.01124,0.00996,0.026424,-0.009365,-0.006364,-0.006389,0.000127,0.005028,-0.004877,-0.003743,-0.009398,0.00986,-0.001325,0.002515

In MyOrigins Wlkp8_o scored 95% East Europe, 3% Finnish, 2% Scandinavian.

[gixajo]

If you use this PCA (or Europe2, or North Europe PCA) all the Wlkp samples from 1 to 7 plot quite close to each other:

https://vahaduo.github.io/g25views/#Europe1

BTW what did you use for "Slav" and "Balt" ??? I do suspect that Wlkp4 can have some actual Baltic admix (see PM).

I know it, the model is improvised and not very accurate, but curiously Slav reference has Polish reference inside...:confused:

Slav:A=Ukrainian+Polish
Baltic=Latvian+Estonian
German:B,=German,+Dutch,
Ashkenazi reference is the average of all Ashkenazim references (6)


It would be better use ancient references, but I don´t know well ancient references, if you know better those references better make other model, surely it will be more accurate than mine. Sorry, it was improvised.

[Peterski]

Slav:A=Ukrainian+Polish

As for Ukrainians, I think Global25 needs these Kiev Ukrainian samples, they would be a more accurate representation of Central Ukraine:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?330904-Ukrainian-national-average

Current Ukrainian samples are too western. You can see in Europe1 PCA or Europe2 PCA.

For example sample Ukrainian:UKR-1283 plots like Czechs or East Germans, more western-shifted than Western Poles.

There is also academic sample from Sumy Oblast (North-East Ukraine near the Russian border) which plots with East Germans / Czechs.

These Ukrainians are likely mixed with minority ethnic groups in Ukraine.

I'm surprised they were published by scientists as "typical Ukrainians".

[calxpal]

Difficult to score many Ukranian for any with Ukranian background with these sources full of close references.:rolleyes:

But tell me where comes from the other 75% and I can give you the correspondent references to try a better sources for you.

But Ukranian and Polish are quite difficult to differentiate.

I imagine ;) and the other 75% is British, Irish, and French.

[Peterski]

Ethnic Pole from Kuyavia region this time:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kuyavia

Distance to: Kuyavia1
0.01941157 PolishC
0.01961091 PolishB
0.01982756 PolishD
0.02103187 Polish
0.02421695 Czech

[Kyp]

Target: KypMother_scaled
Distance: 1.3641% / 0.01364075
85.4 German
14.6 Austrian

[Jana]

Good guess in my case:) Late dinner with friends.


I'm too east shifted. I ask michal3121 to try he is more balanced.

Distance to: Lukasz_scaled
0.02469762 Russian_Smolensk
0.02588022 Belarusian
0.02835042 Russian_Voronez
0.03025774 Polish "official"
0.03055164 Polish: D
0.03080204 Ukrainian
0.03124992 Polish:C
0.03324871 Russian_Orel
0.03333108 Polish:B
0.03440524 Lithuanian_PA
0.03541132 Cossack_Ukrainian
0.03588411 Lithuanian_VA
0.03719013 Russian_Kursk
0.03747035 Lithuanian_VZ
0.03964994 Lithuanian_RA
0.04222264 Lithuanian_PZ
0.04430943 Lithuanian_SZ
0.04620649 Russian_Tver
0.04641203 Estonian
0.04739806 Czech
0.04759883 Latvian
0.04986500 German_East
0.05630131 Hungarian
0.06333556 Russian_Kostroma
0.06681433 Austrian

without Russian and Belarussian

Target: Lukasz_scaled
Distance: 2.6110% / 0.02611044
45.6 Polish: D
34.2 Lithuanian_PZ (you see)
11.6 Ukrainian
8.6 German_East

Do you have Baltic admixture? In my models both Belarusians and Russians Smolensk are cca 80% Slavic and rest is Baltic.
I tought Baltic admix doesn't exist outside of NE Poles but you score like these people.

[Lucas]

Do you have Baltic admixture? In my models both Belarusians and Russians Smolensk are cca 80% Slavic and rest is Baltic.
I tought Baltic admix doesn't exist outside of NE Poles but you score like these people.

My father is half Masovian but maybe I have distant Masovian ancestry in what are my lines from Central Poland too. This area was buffer between bigger regions (Masovia at the north of it). Until Łódź was created in XIX century (or rather expanded enormously) there weren't any bigger cities there.