Dodecad K12b inconsistencies

[princeton90]

I investigated Dodecad K12b spread sheet and I found some inconsistencies. First, how can East Slavic people be genetically more "North European" than Scando-Germanic people? Secondly, how can Swedish and Norwegian results be more "Southern European" (Atlantic_Med) than Italian, Greek, and Bulgarian results? This is the spreadsheet: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1GWhNZcfTQ2hMSK9Ni1IqG7aXHB00SRE5L6ED2osPs9M/edit#gid=0

[princeton90]

Bump

[Kyp]

It's because of the naming of the components. For example Atlantic_Med isn't 100% Southern European. Eastern European components get included into Northern_Euro. European genetic components are just not diverse enough to be split into all of these components.

In general Dodecad is not a good calculator for Europeans. I think it is decent for West Asia but still has some flaws there too.

[Chris596]

Right.. I have the same problem with Dodecad K12b. I'm Hungarian myself without Germanic ancestry, meanwhile it gives me a lot of Northern European... I also have some Armenian and Jewish ancestry as well. Anyway I'm like 75% South Slavic and 25% East Slavic or 66% Southeast European and 33% Northeast European, genetically speaking. These are my results:

# Population Percent
1 North_European 38.52
2 Atlantic_Med 26.33
3 Caucasus 24.36
4 Gedrosia 4.47
5 Southwest_Asian 3.31
6 East_Asian 2.11



Using 1 population approximation:
1 Romanians_Behar @ 6.310910
2 Bulgarian_Dodecad @ 8.262884
3 Bulgarians_Yunusbayev @ 8.558097
4 Hungarians_Behar @ 13.001328
5 German_Dodecad @ 19.123543
6 O_Italian_Dodecad @ 19.418102
7 N_Italian_Dodecad @ 21.332819
8 Mixed_Germanic_Dodecad @ 23.549515
9 Greek_Dodecad @ 23.689869
10 TSI30_Metspalu @ 23.730427
11 Tuscan_HGDP @ 24.125481
12 French_Dodecad @ 24.465988
13 North_Italian_HGDP @ 24.488031
14 French_HGDP @ 24.574301
15 C_Italian_Dodecad @ 25.103893
16 Dutch_Dodecad @ 25.249147
17 Ukranians_Yunusbayev @ 27.250574
18 Kent_1000Genomes @ 27.413891
19 CEU30_1000Genomes @ 27.608744
20 English_Dodecad @ 27.825298

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Tuscan_HGDP +50% Ukranians_Yunusbayev @ 3.957404

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Belorussian_Behar +25% Kumyks_Yunusbayev +25% Sardinian_HGDP @ 2.121763

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Belorussian_Behar + Belorussian_Behar + Kumyks_Yunusbayev + Sardinian_HGDP @ 2.121763
2 Lithuanian_Dodecad + North_Ossetians_Yunusbayev + Polish_Dodecad + Sardinian_HGDP @ 2.162121
3 Kumyks_Yunusbayev + Lithuanian_Dodecad + Sardinian_HGDP + Ukranians_Yunusbayev @ 2.199847
4 Balkars_Yunusbayev + Lithuanian_Dodecad + Polish_Dodecad + Sardinian_HGDP @ 2.232515
5 Belorussian_Behar + Kumyks_Yunusbayev + Sardinian_HGDP + Ukranians_Yunusbayev @ 2.390067
6 Belorussian_Behar + Kumyks_Yunusbayev + Russian_B_Behar + Sardinian_HGDP @ 2.405673
7 Belorussian_Behar + Kumyks_Yunusbayev + Mixed_Slav_Dodecad + Sardinian_HGDP @ 2.445205
8 Adygei_HGDP + Lithuanian_Dodecad + Polish_Dodecad + Sardinian_HGDP @ 2.500461
9 Lithuanians_Behar + North_Ossetians_Yunusbayev + Polish_Dodecad + Sardinian_HGDP @ 2.502563
10 Balkars_Yunusbayev + Lithuanians_Behar + Polish_Dodecad + Sardinian_HGDP @ 2.586148

[Scandal]

Right.. I have the same problem with Dodecad K12b. I'm Hungarian myself without Germanic ancestry, meanwhile it gives me a lot of Northern European...

I think it doesn't give you any germanic:
Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Tuscan_HGDP +50% Ukranians_Yunusbayev @ 3.957404

[gixajo]

I investigated Dodecad K12b spread sheet and I found some inconsistencies. First, how can East Slavic people be genetically more "North European" than Scando-Germanic people? Secondly, how can Swedish and Norwegian results be more "Southern European" (Atlantic_Med) than Italian, Greek, and Bulgarian results? This is the spreadsheet: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1GWhNZcfTQ2hMSK9Ni1IqG7aXHB00SRE5L6ED2osPs9M/edit#gid=0

My parents and my results usually are quite absurds too with Dodecad K12b.

[Lucas]

My parents and my results usually are quite absurds too with Dodecad K12b.

Someone should add good Iberian references to oracle. Now are some general Spanish and Spaniards refs.

[Dr_Maul]

Considering it is either the best or second best calculator for me in terms of accuracy and distance, it clearly does not have Europeans in mind

[JamesBond007]

It's because of the naming of the components. For example Atlantic_Med isn't 100% Southern European. Eastern European components get included into Northern_Euro. European genetic components are just not diverse enough to be split into all of these components.

In general Dodecad is not a good calculator for Europeans. I think it is decent for West Asia but still has some flaws there too.

Dodecad is not even on my radar even though I've tried various dodecad calculators. There are so many genetic tests and calculators we need to serious start dismissing a lot of them in the very least.

[Leto]

Someone should add good Iberian references to oracle. Now are some general Spanish and Spaniards refs.
With the original spreadsheet it's practically useless unless you need specific components like Siberian, Gedrosia, etc.