Ethnicity update coming on AncestryDNA

[Smitty]

https://www.reddit.com/r/AncestryDNA/comments/ikvov5/update_coming_soon/

[JamesBond007]

My updated version :

Ireland : 53%
Scotland : 33%
England : 7%
Germany : 4%
Norway : 2%
Nigger : 1%

^ I don't find the above very useful are there is no single closest population like GEDmatch and G25 etc.. can do. From the above it would look like single closest population could potentially be Scotland but I dunno.

[JamesBond007]

My updated version :

Ireland : 53%
Scotland : 33%
England : 7%
Germany : 4%
Norway : 2%
Nigger : 1%

^ I don't find the above very useful are there is no single closest population like GEDmatch and G25 etc.. can do. From the above it would look like single closest population could potentially be Scotland but I dunno.

Yo, why are my G25 results so different and what is more accurate AncestryDNA or G25 based on modern population averages ? :

Distance: 2.599256786973063%

Norwegian: 50.1%
Dutch: 35.9%
Spanish_La_Rioja: 5.3%
French_Pas-de-Calais: 4.4%
Tajik_Shugnan: 3.7%
Other: 0.6%

https://yk.github.io/ancestry/

[Luso]

My old results:

Portugal: 69%
Spain: 14%
France 7%
Ireland & Scottland 6%
Sardinia 2%

New Results:

Portugal: 70%
Spain: 22%
France: 6%
Scotland: 2%

[Creoda]

2018 results (accurate)

England, Wales & NW Europe - 53%
Ireland & Scotland - 47%

2019 results (less accurate)

Ireland & Scotland - 55%
England, Wales & Northwestern Europe - 42%
Sweden - 3%

2020 results via the hack - WTF?

{"version":2020,"createdAt":1596148642000,"regions":
{"key":"Ireland","percentage":46,"lowerConfidence":31,"upperConfidence":53,"lowConfidenceAssignment":false,"color":"#f1e000"},
{"key":"Scotland","percentage":30,"lowerConfidence":0,"upperConfidence":31,"lowConfidenceAssignment":false,"color":"#75cd00"},
{"key":"England","percentage":18,"lowerConfidence":18,"upperConfidence":24,"lowConfidenceAssignment":false,"color":"#00cc99"},
{"key":"Wales","percentage":6,"lowerConfidence":0,"upperConfidence":11,"lowConfidenceAssignment":false,"color":"#00b8cd"}]}

[Lucas]

My updated version :

Ireland : 53%
Scotland : 33%
England : 7%
Germany : 4%
Norway : 2%
Nigger : 1%

^ I don't find the above very useful are there is no single closest population like GEDmatch and G25 etc.. can do. From the above it would look like single closest population could potentially be Scotland but I dunno.

I believe there isn't a genetic company (except third-party) who gives you a list of numerical distances in the same way like on Gedmatch or G25. Some could wonder why they don't...

[JamesBond007]

I believe there isn't a genetic company (except third-party) who gives you a list of numerical distances in the same way like on Gedmatch or G25. Some could wonder why they don't...

I understand why G25 is so popular because it has wider utility for more demographics but Davidski's Celtic vs Germanic PCA is more useful for NorthWestern Europeans. Also, it makes AncestryDNA and commercial companies look like a joke, my results :

https://i.postimg.cc/T2tsSB22/Celto-Germanic-PCA-country-codes.png

[JamesBond007]

I believe there isn't a genetic company (except third-party) who gives you a list of numerical distances in the same way like on Gedmatch or G25. Some could wonder why they don't...

Dude, AncestryDNA and 23andme are some kind of joke except for the raw dna files.

[Grace O'Malley]

Daughter present results 100% Ireland and Scotland.

Hack results

{"version":2020,"createdAt":1596233415000,"regions":[{"key":"Ireland","percentage":89,"lowerConfidence":78,"upperConfidence":98,"lowConfidenceAssignment":false,"color":"#f1e000"},{"key":"Scotland","percentage":6,"lowerConfidence":0,"upperConfidence":8,"lowConfidenceAssignment":false,"color":"#75cd00"},{"key":"England","percentage":5,"lowerConfidence":0,"upperConfidence":5,"lowConfidenceAssignment":false,"color":"#00cc99"}]}

My result as per hack

{"version":2020,"createdAt":1594623278000,"regions":[{"key":"Ireland","percentage":98,"lowerConfidence":88,"upperConfidence":100,"lowConfidenceAssignment":false,"color":"#f1e000"},{"key":"Scotland","percentage":2,"lowerConfidence":0,"upperConfidence":2,"lowConfidenceAssignment":false,"color":"#75cd00"}]}

[Creoda]

Mother's new result via the hack (c. 97% English, 3% Irish on paper)

{"version":2020,"createdAt":1596274797000,"regions ":[
{"key":"England","percentage":66,"lowerConfidence":57,"upperConfidence":66,"lowCon fidenceAssignment":false,"color":"#f1e000"},
{"key":"Norway","percentage":13,"lowerConfidence":0,"upperConfidence":17,"lowConf idenceAssignment":false,"color":"#75cd00"},
{"key":"Scotland","percentage":11,"lowerConfidence":0,"upperConfidence":16,"lowConf idenceAssignment":false,"color":"#00cc99"},
{"key":"Wales","percentage":10,"lowerConfidence":0,"upperConfidence":19,"lowConf idenceAssignment":false,"color":"#00b8cd"}]}

[RatCat]

Old results:
Turkey and the Caucasus : %96
Eastern europe and Russia : %4

New Results:
Turkey and the Caucasus : %100 LOL

Seems more accurate to me.

[ShieldWolf]

https://imgur.com/23cucyihttps://i.imgur.com/23cucyi.jpg

[Jana]

Nice job!

Stears

Europe Northeastern 46%
Balkans 32%
Germany 22%

Hrvoje

Europe Northeastern 46%
Balkans 36%
Germany 14%
Sweden 4%

Both of them get highly similar results! :)
Good update.

[Ford]

New:
95% Balkans
5% NE Europe

Old:
94% Eastern Europe and Russia
6% Greece and Balkans

What a joke lol

[Jana]

New:
95% Balkans
5% NE Europe

Old:
94% Eastern Europe and Russia
6% Greece and Balkans

What a joke lol

Weird...you aren't far from both Stears and Hrvoje on PCAs....and they get much better results (I think pretty accurate percentages of their Slavic, Balkan and German input)

[TheMaestro]

My updated version :

Ireland : 53%
Scotland : 33%
England : 7%
Germany : 4%
Norway : 2%
Nigger : 1%

^ I don't find the above very useful are there is no single closest population like GEDmatch and G25 etc.. can do. From the above it would look like single closest population could potentially be Scotland but I dunno.

Where is Dutch

[JamesBond007]

Where is Dutch

I dunno dude and emailing AncestryDNA about it won't help matters much I reckon.

[Benyzero]

My updated version :

Ireland : 53%
Scotland : 33%
England : 7%
Germany : 4%
Norway : 2%
Nigger : 1%

^ I don't find the above very useful are there is no single closest population like GEDmatch and G25 etc.. can do. From the above it would look like single closest population could potentially be Scotland but I dunno.

Lol

[Ion Basescul]

New:
95% Balkans
5% NE Europe

Old:
94% Eastern Europe and Russia
6% Greece and Balkans

What a joke lol

Why is it a joke if you are literally balls deep from the Balkans? It seems like they balanced the component, as before it was too Southern.

[Mr.G]

Yo, why are my G25 results so different and what is more accurate AncestryDNA or G25 based on modern population averages ? :

Distance: 2.599256786973063%

Norwegian: 50.1%
Dutch: 35.9%
Spanish_La_Rioja: 5.3%
French_Pas-de-Calais: 4.4%
Tajik_Shugnan: 3.7%
Other: 0.6%

https://yk.github.io/ancestry/

Try selecting the exact same populations i.e. Ireland, Scotland, England, etc that Ancestry assigned you, then run only those on G25 - see how it splits you.

[Lucas]

Where is Dutch

I never seen Dutch in Ancestry ethnicity estimate:) Someone has it ever?

[Ford]

Why is it a joke if you are literally balls deep from the Balkans? It seems like they balanced the component, as before it was too Southern.

It's how much the categories are changing that is a joke. Feels like they (or any of the other companies for that matter) have no idea what they're doing.

[TheMaestro]

I never seen Dutch in Ancestry ethnicity estimate:) Someone has it ever?

Nah it labels as NW Europe, but it's a meme, because he claimed to be Dutch.

[RandomGuy20]

[{"key":"EuropeNE","percentage":37,"lowerConfidence":0,"upperConfidence":38,"lowConfidenceAssignment":false,"color":"#f1e000"},{"key":"England","percentage":23,"lowerConfidence":0,"upperConfidence":23,"lowConfidenceAssignment":false,"color":"#75cd00"},{"key":"Germany","percentage" :22,"lowerConfidence":21,"upperConfidence":55,"lowConfidenceAssignment":false,"color":"#00cc99"},{"key":"Sweden","percentage":10,"lowerConfidence":0,"upperConfidence":12,"lowConfidenceAssignment":false,"color":"#00b8cd"},{"key":"Baltic","percentage":6,"lowerConfidence":0,"upperConfidence":26,"lowConfidenceAssignment":false,"color":"#0087a2"},
{"key":"Norway","percentage":2,"lowerConfidence":0,"upperConfidence":5,"lowConfidenceAssignment":false,"color":"#6633cc"}]}

[JamesBond007]

Try selecting the exact same populations i.e. Ireland, Scotland, England, etc that Ancestry assigned you, then run only those on G25 - see how it splits you.


Target: Kevin_scaled
Distance: 2.8659% / 0.02865856
62.4 Norwegian
24.2 English
6.8 German
6.6 Irish


Irish,0.133404,0.134874,0.061088,0.048254,0.038339 ,0.018899,0.003,0.004774,0.003132,0.002725,-0.00714,0.005606,-0.014376,-0.013928,0.025348,0.004821,-0.011072,0.002205,0.00075,0.001339,0.005174,0.0012 25,-0.000356,0.014767,0.001066
English,0.131855,0.137043,0.061788,0.044013,0.0392 3,0.016748,0.004985,0.005745,0.005264,0.005678,-0.004769,0.005616,-0.012589,-0.010351,0.020615,0.003552,-0.010369,0.004094,0.003685,0.002962,0.005937,0.003 404,-0.003269,0.013794,3.1e-05
Scottish,0.131466,0.134232,0.062265,0.047043,0.039 106,0.017281,0.00355,0.005176,0.003572,0.002825,-0.005614,0.005047,-0.01168,-0.011973,0.023024,0.003125,-0.011255,0.002774,0.00255,0.001452,0.004225,0.0033 08,-0.000656,0.013556,-0.0007
German,0.130263,0.137379,0.057981,0.038707,0.04000 3,0.015646,0.004067,0.005787,0.003526,0.00188,-0.004413,0.002373,-0.005371,-0.002542,0.008513,0.003291,-0.003273,0.001663,0.003367,0.001719,0.00314,0.0020 05,7.2e-05,0.008305,0.000277
Norwegian,0.133823,0.127957,0.067936,0.053434,0.03 8644,0.021036,0.004197,0.006297,0.005727,0.000391,-0.003735,0.003682,-0.007518,-0.011698,0.021075,0.009395,-0.00542,0.002606,0.000682,0.00075,0.005633,0.00556 4,0.004278,0.017731,0.001095



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3CThd9S7Ko&list=PLJFSIyibmnylQz8cqnv-Ishp9KEKGqhSF&index=2
https://media.istockphoto.com/photos/dark-haired-viking-woman-in-the-sea-at-dusk-picture-id696305356

[Ion Basescul]

It's how much the categories are changing that is a joke. Feels like they (or any of the other companies for that matter) have no idea what they're doing.

For a newbie jumping from version to version will be confusing of course, but at least for you they make more sense now.
I've seen a Bulgarian result though, and that one doesn't look so good.

Current :
Greece & the Balkans - 61%
Eastern Europe and Russia -34%
Italy 5%

New:
Balkans 48%
Greece & Albania 35%
Europe NE 6%
Italy South 6%
Italy North 3%
Cyprus 2%

[Mr.G]

https://media.istockphoto.com/photos/dark-haired-viking-woman-in-the-sea-at-dusk-picture-id696305356[/center]

Haha. Just get rid of Norway and you'll be alright.

[Jana]

So Balkan seem south Slavic, explains Ford's results.

[WeirdLookingFellow]

For a newbie jumping from version to version will be confusing of course, but at least for you they make more sense now.
I've seen a Bulgarian result though, and that one doesn't look so good.

Current :
Greece & the Balkans - 61%
Eastern Europe and Russia -34%
Italy 5%

New:
Balkans 48%
Greece & Albania 35%
Europe NE 6%
Italy South 6%
Italy North 3%
Cyprus 2%

It seems fine but they should work on an extra category showing if they can differentiate in the Balkan component which is pre-Slavic and which is Slavic.

[El_Abominacion]

{"version":2020,"createdAt":1595656593000,"regions":[{"key":"Pakistan","percentage":19,"lowerConfidence":0,"upperConfidence":36,"lowConfidenceAssignment":false,"color":"#f1e000"},{"key":"IndiaN","percentage":19,"lowerConfidence":18,"upperConfidence":22,"lowConfidenceAssignment":false,"color":"#75cd00"},{"key":"Spain","percentage":15,"lowerConfidence":0,"upperConfidence":15,"lowConfidenceAssignment":false,"color":"#00cc99"},{"key":"France","percentage":10,"lowerConfidence":0,"upperConfidence":17,"lowConfidenceAssignment":false,"color":"#00b8cd"},{"key":"Vietnam","percentage":7,"lowerConfidence":0,"upperConfidence":15,"lowConfidenceAssignment":false,"color":"#0087a2"},{"key":"IndiaS","percentage":4,"lowerConfidence":0,"upperConfidence":10,"lowConfidenceAssignment":false,"color":"#6633cc"},{"key":"Ireland","percentage":4,"lowerConfidence":0,"upperConfidence":5,"lowConfidenceAssignment":false,"color":"#9933cc"},{"key":"ChinaS","percentage":3,"lowerConfidence":0,"upperConfidence":4,"lowConfidenceAssignment":false,"color":"#df64b4"},{"key":"AfricaE","percentage":3,"lowerConfidence":0,"upperConfidence":15,"lowConfidenceAssignment":false,"color":"#ed2941"},{"key":"AfricaS","percentage":3,"lowerConfidence":0,"upperConfidence":10,"lowConfidenceAssignment":false,"color":"#ff9900"},{"key":"CameroonCongo","percentage":3,"lowerConfidence":0,"upperConfidence":7,"lowConfidenceAssignment":false,"color":"#f1e000"},{"key":"ChinaN","percentage":3,"lowerConfidence":0,"upperConfidence":9,"lowConfidenceAssignment":false,"color":"#75cd00"},{"key":"Dai","percentage":2,"lowerConfidence":0,"upperConfidence":2,"lowConfidenceAssignment":false,"color":"#00cc99"},{"key":"Senegal","percentage":2,"lowerConfidence":0,"upperConfidence":6,"lowConfidenceAssignment":false,"color":"#00b8cd"},{"key":"Scotland","percentage":2,"lowerConfidence":0,"upperConfidence":2,"lowConfidenceAssignment":false,"color":"#0087a2"},{"key":"Balkans","percentage":1,"lowerConfidence":0,"upperConfidence":2,"lowConfidenceAssignment":false,"color":"#6633cc"}]}

In total

42% South Asian
32% European
15% East Asian
11% SSA

19% Pakistani
19% Indian
15% Spanish
10% French
7% Vietnamese
4% South Indian
4% Irish
3% South Chinese
3% East African
3% South African
3% Cameroonian/Congolese
3% North Chinese
2% Dai
2% Senegalese
2% Scottish
1% Balkan

My dreams came true and i'm actually Albanian now


https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/36/Flag_of_Albania.svg/1200px-Flag_of_Albania.svg.png

[JamesBond007]

Target: Kevin_scaled
Distance: 2.8659% / 0.02865856
62.4 Norwegian
24.2 English
6.8 German
6.6 Irish


Irish,0.133404,0.134874,0.061088,0.048254,0.038339 ,0.018899,0.003,0.004774,0.003132,0.002725,-0.00714,0.005606,-0.014376,-0.013928,0.025348,0.004821,-0.011072,0.002205,0.00075,0.001339,0.005174,0.0012 25,-0.000356,0.014767,0.001066
English,0.131855,0.137043,0.061788,0.044013,0.0392 3,0.016748,0.004985,0.005745,0.005264,0.005678,-0.004769,0.005616,-0.012589,-0.010351,0.020615,0.003552,-0.010369,0.004094,0.003685,0.002962,0.005937,0.003 404,-0.003269,0.013794,3.1e-05
Scottish,0.131466,0.134232,0.062265,0.047043,0.039 106,0.017281,0.00355,0.005176,0.003572,0.002825,-0.005614,0.005047,-0.01168,-0.011973,0.023024,0.003125,-0.011255,0.002774,0.00255,0.001452,0.004225,0.0033 08,-0.000656,0.013556,-0.0007
German,0.130263,0.137379,0.057981,0.038707,0.04000 3,0.015646,0.004067,0.005787,0.003526,0.00188,-0.004413,0.002373,-0.005371,-0.002542,0.008513,0.003291,-0.003273,0.001663,0.003367,0.001719,0.00314,0.0020 05,7.2e-05,0.008305,0.000277
Norwegian,0.133823,0.127957,0.067936,0.053434,0.03 8644,0.021036,0.004197,0.006297,0.005727,0.000391,-0.003735,0.003682,-0.007518,-0.011698,0.021075,0.009395,-0.00542,0.002606,0.000682,0.00075,0.005633,0.00556 4,0.004278,0.017731,0.001095


I realize the Norwegian G25 average is controversial to some so I'l use Dutch in place of Norwegian instead here :

Target: Kevin_scaled
Distance: 2.8498% / 0.02849762
81.2 Dutch
18.8 Irish


Irish,0.133404,0.134874,0.061088,0.048254,0.038339 ,0.018899,0.003,0.004774,0.003132,0.002725,-0.00714,0.005606,-0.014376,-0.013928,0.025348,0.004821,-0.011072,0.002205,0.00075,0.001339,0.005174,0.0012 25,-0.000356,0.014767,0.001066
English,0.131855,0.137043,0.061788,0.044013,0.0392 3,0.016748,0.004985,0.005745,0.005264,0.005678,-0.004769,0.005616,-0.012589,-0.010351,0.020615,0.003552,-0.010369,0.004094,0.003685,0.002962,0.005937,0.003 404,-0.003269,0.013794,3.1e-05
Scottish,0.131466,0.134232,0.062265,0.047043,0.039 106,0.017281,0.00355,0.005176,0.003572,0.002825,-0.005614,0.005047,-0.01168,-0.011973,0.023024,0.003125,-0.011255,0.002774,0.00255,0.001452,0.004225,0.0033 08,-0.000656,0.013556,-0.0007
German,0.130263,0.137379,0.057981,0.038707,0.04000 3,0.015646,0.004067,0.005787,0.003526,0.00188,-0.004413,0.002373,-0.005371,-0.002542,0.008513,0.003291,-0.003273,0.001663,0.003367,0.001719,0.00314,0.0020 05,7.2e-05,0.008305,0.000277
Dutch,0.126752,0.131305,0.061094,0.046149,0.040469 ,0.016624,0.006544,0.00808,0.003576,0.000327,-0.006445,0.004587,-0.008708,-0.008842,0.017444,0.005345,-0.008214,0.001267,0.00427,0.002814,0.004691,0.0028 67,0.000268,0.015354,-0.000492

[vbnetkhio]

mine:
Balkans 89
EuropeNE 11

great, now they have a "Balkans" component based on either Serbs or Bosniaks, just like MyHeritage. :rolleyes:
at least they don't give random Finnish and Arabic, and Ashkenazi Jewish to south Slavs.



It seems fine but they should work on an extra category showing if they can differentiate in the Balkan component which is pre-Slavic and which is Slavic.

i don't think that's going to happen soon. all the companies just comapre you to modern day populations.

[paradox]

Old results

Greece & the Balkans 53
Eastern Europe & Russia 23
Italy 21
Turkey & the Caucasus 2
Baltic 1


New results

Greece & Albania 55
Balkans 32
Europe NE 10
Cyprus 2
Arabia & Levant 1
-------------------------------------------------

My father's

Old results

Eastern Europe & Russia 55
Greece & the Balkans 45


New results

Balkans 47
Greece & Albania 37
Europe NE 16

[WhatsGoingOnBigGuy]

Older:
Ireland & Scotland - 38%
Germanic Europe - 21%
Baltics - 17%
England, Wales, and NWE - 12%
Eastern Europe & Russia - 9%
Norway - 2%
Middle East - 1%

Updated:
Ireland - 26%
Scotland - 22%
Germany - 16%
Baltic - 16%
England - 12%
NE Europe - 7%
Wales 1%

lol, still zero Italian or Southern European. The only explanation is that it’s STILL hiding in one of my northwestern European categories.

[ShieldWolf]

Old results:

https://imgur.com/23cucyihttps://i.imgur.com/23cucyi.jpg

New results:

England 29%
Scotland 28%
Germany 15%
Wales 9%
Sweden 7%
Norway 6%
Ireland 6%

[Luso]

My old results:

Portugal: 69%
Spain: 14%
France 7%
Ireland & Scottland 6%
Sardinia 2%

New Results:

Portugal: 70%
Spain: 22%
France: 6%
Scotland: 2%

Just did the hack with my mom... it seems way less accurate for her-

OLD:

Portugal: 51%
Spain: 20%
France: 18%
England, Wales & Northwestern Europe: 5%
Sardinia: 4%
Northern Africa: 1%
Senegal: 1%

NEW:

Portugal: 63%
Spain: 13%
Wales: 13% ???
Scotland: 7%
France: 3%
African: 1%

[Rgvgjhvv]

New results

Greece & Albania - 83%
Balkans - 8%
Turkey & Armenia - 5%
Southern Italy - 2%
Pakistan - 2%

---

Seems much more accurate this time round. Cool.

For my partner too:

France - 42%
Ireland - 41%
Scotland - 9%
Wales - 4%
Indigenous Americas - 2%
England - 2%

[Ford]

For a newbie jumping from version to version will be confusing of course, but at least for you they make more sense now.
I've seen a Bulgarian result though, and that one doesn't look so good.

Current :
Greece & the Balkans - 61%
Eastern Europe and Russia -34%
Italy 5%

New:
Balkans 48%
Greece & Albania 35%
Europe NE 6%
Italy South 6%
Italy North 3%
Cyprus 2%

Except the results already made sense, if we consider that they included West/North-West Balkans in the old category (as is currently illustrated on the ethnicity breakdown page). They're pratically just throwing around the categories that makes no real difference.

[alnortedelsur]

{"version":2020,"createdAt":1595254822000,"regions":[{"key":"Spain","percentage":36,"lowerConfidence":35,"upperConfidence":53,"lowConfidenceAssignment":false,"color":"#f1e000"},{"key":"France","percentage":20,"lowerConfidence":20,"upperConfidence":23,"lowConfidenceAssignment":false,"color":"#75cd00"},{"key":"Portugal","percentage":15,"lowerConfidence":0,"upperConfidence":32,"lowConfidenceAssignment":false,"color":"#00cc99"},{"key":"ItalyS","percentage":7,"lowerConfidence":0,"upperConfidence":7,"lowConfidenceAssignment":false,"color":"#00b8cd"},{"key":"Ireland","percentage":4,"lowerConfidence":0,"upperConfidence":5,"lowConfidenceAssignment":false,"color":"#0087a2"},{"key":"GreeceAlbania","percentage":3,"lowerConfidence":0,"upperConfidence":3,"lowConfidenceAssignment":false,"color":"#6633cc"},{"key":"Hispaniola","percentage":2,"lowerConfidence":0,"upperConfidence":22,"lowConfidenceAssignment":false,"color":"#9933cc"},{"key":"England","percentage":2,"lowerConfidence":0,"upperConfidence":2,"lowConfidenceAssignment":false,"color":"#df64b4"},{"key":"CameroonCongo","percentage":2,"lowerConfidence":0,"upperConfidence":4,"lowConfidenceAssignment":false,"color":"#ed2941"},{"key":"ArgUruBrazil","percentage":1,"lowerConfidence":0,"upperConfidence":3,"lowConfidenceAssignment":false,"color":"#ff9900"},{"key":"ColVen","percentage":1,"lowerConfidence":0,"upperConfidence":3,"lowConfidenceAssignment":false,"color":"#f1e000"},{"key":"BeninTogo","percentage":1,"lowerConfidence":0,"upperConfidence":3,"lowConfidenceAssignment":false,"color":"#75cd00"},{"key":"TurkeyArmenia","percentage":1,"lowerConfidence":0,"upperConfidence":1,"lowConfidenceAssignment":false,"color":"#00cc99"},{"key":"Yucatan","percentage":1,"lowerConfidence":0,"upperConfidence":1,"lowConfidenceAssignment":false,"color":"#00b8cd"},{"key":"AmericaC","percentage":1,"lowerConfidence":0,"upperConfidence":3,"lowConfidenceAssignment":false,"color":"#0087a2"},{"key":"Senegal","percentage":1,"lowerConfidence":0,"upperConfidence":2,"lowConfidenceAssignment":false,"color":"#6633cc"},{"key":"Nigeria","percentage":1,"lowerConfidence":0,"upperConfidence":3,"lowConfidenceAssignment":false,"color":"#9933cc"},{"key":"EuropeJew","percentage":1,"lowerConfidence":0,"upperConfidence":1,"lowConfidenceAssignment":false,"color":"#df64b4"}]}

[CommonSense]

AncestryDNA and 23andMe will conduct updates several times over before MyHeritage and FTDNA do it even once :D

[Adamm]

AncestryDNA and 23andMe will conduct updates several times over before MyHeritage and FTDNA do it even once :D

Fuck MyHeritage and FTDNA.

[Mingle]

Interesting there's no "British & Irish" category but the three Celtic groups are split up while the English are grouped with "Northwestern Europe". I'd think it makes more sense to group the English with Scots than with Mainland Germanics.

[Mingle]

New results

Greece & Albania - 83%
Balkans - 8%
Turkey & Armenia - 5%
Southern Italy - 2%
Pakistan - 2%

---

Seems much more accurate this time round. Cool.

For my partner too:

France - 42%
Ireland - 41%
Scotland - 9%
Wales - 4%
Indigenous Americas - 2%
England - 2%

What were your old results?

What ethnic background does your partner have?

[Leto]

My updated version :

Ireland : 53%
Scotland : 33%
England : 7%
Germany : 4%
Norway : 2%
Nigger : 1%

I think they added the last one only to fuck with you :swl

[Leto]

New results

Greece & Albania - 83%
Balkans - 8%
Turkey & Armenia - 5%
Southern Italy - 2%
Pakistan - 2%

---

Seems much more accurate this time round. Cool.

For my partner too:

France - 42%
Ireland - 41%
Scotland - 9%
Wales - 4%
Indigenous Americas - 2%
England - 2%
I thought you were a race-mixer in South Korea :lol:

[Jana]

Markos partner's results look like Anglo-French Canadian with nearly identical results like Rædwald, he also scored minor Amerindian.

[Jana]

I think they added the last one only to fuck with you :swl

It's real. He usually scores that tiny bit SSA elsewhere too heheh.

[Jana]

AncestryDNA and 23andMe will conduct updates several times over before MyHeritage and FTDNA do it even once :D

I wish my entire family tested with Ancestry. Really like them. Their graphic design too, also cool genetic communities. Myheritage is coming up, shitty AC composition but good raw data,cheapest,and largest database.
From both of these YDNA can be extracted for free.

23andme has highest shipping price, worst raw data and they became really shitty. At least they do both haplogroups and detailed regional breakdown.
FTDNA is currently the worst. No updates in ages, no even chance to extract YDNA from it but needs a separate test.
And my parents raw data from FTDNA is of poor quality.

[Jana]

Only advantage of FTDNA is once they have your saliva you don't need to send it again to purchase their very good Y and Mt tests.
But even that isn't such advantage any longer - they remained too pricey, it takes ages to receive results and competition like yseq offers even better haplogroup tests for lesser money and they do it faster.

[michal3141]

Nothing special for me with this update:

Current results:

{"version":2019,"createdAt":1565679957000,"regions":[{"key":"Slavic","percentage":97,"lowerConfidence":90,"upperConfidence":100,"lowConfidenceAssignment":false,"color":"#f1e000"},{"key":"Baltic","percentage":3,"lowerConfidence":0,"upperConfidence":16,"lowConfidenceAssignment":false,"color":"#75cd00"}]}

Upcoming results:

{"version":2020,"createdAt":1595445578000,"regions":[{"key":"EuropeNE","percentage":98,"lowerConfidence":94,"upperConfidence":100,"lowConfidenceAssignment":false,"color":"#f1e000"},{"key":"Baltic","percentage":2,"lowerConfidence":0,"upperConfidence":11,"lowConfidenceAssignment":false,"color":"#75cd00"}]}

[JamesBond007]

I think they added the last one only to fuck with you :swl

It is possible they did that in their political current deviant sly way. For instance, Dna.land (asscociated with Columbia university) and LivingDNA (a British company) both say I am 0% black.:confused:

[Rgvgjhvv]

What were your old results?

What ethnic background does your partner have?

My old results:

Greece & the Balkans - 91%
Turkey & the Caucasus - 3%
Italy - 3%
Northern & Western India - 1%
Sardinia - 1%
Sweden 1%

My partner's old results:

Ireland & Scotland - 56%
England, Wales, Northwestern Europe - 33%
France - 9%
Indigenous Americas - North - 2%

---

She is 50% French-Canadian (Acadian from Nova Scotia). Her French ancestors came to Canada in the early-mid 1600s from Hauts-de-France (Northern France) and Normandy (Northwestern France). This side is also where the Indigenous results come from. She is also supposedly 37.5% Irish (recent ancestors were all from England, however). AncestryDNA connects her to West Clare, Munster (Western Ireland) so that is probably where they hail from originally. Also reportedly 12.5% English from Liverpool. This side is a bit less "known", so take it with a grain of salt.


I thought you were a race-mixer in South Korea :lol:

Nothing wrong with Korean women but I've been with my lovely lady since we were 16 :cool:


Markos partner's results look like Anglo-French Canadian with nearly identical results like Rædwald, he also scored minor Amerindian.

Pretty similar, for sure. Except her Anglo ancestry is majority Irish.

[Leto]

It is possible they did that in their political current deviant sly way. For instance, Dna.land (asscociated with Columbia university) and LivingDNA (a British company) both say I am 0% black.:confused:
Can you show me your Dodecad K12b components please? Even the noise. I know you don't like Gedmatch and I promise I'm not asking for trolling purposes which would be lame of me.

[Creoda]

Interesting there's no "British & Irish" category but the three Celtic groups are split up while the English are grouped with "Northwestern Europe". I'd think it makes more sense to group the English with Scots than with Mainland Germanics.
Their Irish percentages are very accurate (as per the white paper and most results I've seen), whereas the Scottish and English percentages are all over the place, so yes, it should have been a single British category for now, separate from the continent. My result would be basically correct then, not 30% phantom Scottish.

[Rædwald]

{"key":"England","percentage":50,"lowerConfidence":47,"upperConfidence":51
{"key":"Scotland","percentage":26,"lowerConfidence":0,"upperConfidence":28
{"key":"Ireland","percentage":14,"lowerConfidence":0,"upperConfidence":14
{"key":"Wales","percentage":6,"lowerConfidence":0,"upperConfidence":12
{"key":"CanadaUSA","percentage":2,"lowerConfidence":0,"upperConfidence":3
{"key":"Norway","percentage":2,"lowerConfidence":0,"upperConfidence":3

[Daco Celtic]

New results

{"version":2020,"createdAt":1595869661000,"regions":[{"key":"Ireland","percentage":51,"lowerConfidence":47,"upperConfidence":54,"lowConfidenceAssignment":false,"color":"#f1e000"},{"key":"Balkans","percentage":47,"lowerConfidence":46,"upperConfidence":52,"lowConfidenceAssignment":false,"color":"#75cd00"},{"key":"Germany","percentage":2,"lowerConfidence":0,"upperConfidence":8,"lowConfidenceAssignment":false,"color":"#00cc99"}]}

[Smitty]

The specificity with the British Isles seems to be a case of offering something users wanted that Ancestry can't really provide. But I'm sure it will please as many people as it irritates.

[Smitty]

I wish my entire family tested with Ancestry. Really like them. Their graphic design too, also cool genetic communities. Myheritage is coming up, shitty AC composition but good raw data,cheapest,and largest database.
From both of these YDNA can be extracted for free.

23andme has highest shipping price, worst raw data and they became really shitty. At least they do both haplogroups and detailed regional breakdown.
FTDNA is currently the worst. No updates in ages, no even chance to extract YDNA from it but needs a separate test.
And my parents raw data from FTDNA is of poor quality.

Can you really extract yDNA from Ancestry's raw data? They don't offer haplogroups, so I was under the impression that they don't even genotype (think that's the right word) those parts of the genome. And if that's the case, how can there be a way to extract yDNA via a third party? I'm hoping to test with AncestryDNA soon, so it would make me really happy if I could get my haplogroup for free.

[RatCat]

Can you really extract yDNA from Ancestry's raw data? They don't offer haplogroups, so I was under the impression that they don't even genotype (think that's the right word) those parts of the genome. And if that's the case, how can there be a way to extract yDNA via a third party? I'm hoping to test with AncestryDNA soon, so it would make me really happy if I could get my haplogroup for free.

https://ytree.morleydna.com/extractFromAutosomal

https://cladefinder.yseq.net/

Try this two tools.

It's possible because your raw data contains some Y chromosome SNPs.

https://i.imgur.com/CwSRmi9.png

Number 1 is AncestryDNA and number 2 is myheritage

[Rgvgjhvv]

Does anyone know how to find their mtdna with AncestryDNA data?

[PaleoEuropean]

England 48

Scotland 28

Ireland 14

Sweden 5

Norway 3

Germany 2

[PaleoEuropean]

It is possible they did that in their political current deviant sly way. For instance, Dna.land (asscociated with Columbia university) and LivingDNA (a British company) both say I am 0% black.:confused:

If you look at all the different data sheets a lot of European populations show upwards to half a percent African, could just be combined noise or Archaic dna.

[Smitty]

https://ytree.morleydna.com/extractFromAutosomal

https://cladefinder.yseq.net/

Try this two tools.

It's possible because your raw data contains some Y chromosome SNPs.

https://i.imgur.com/CwSRmi9.png

Number 1 is AncestryDNA and number 2 is myheritage

Wow, I didn't know that. I will definitely be trying those tools. Thanks.

[rurov0]

It now gives me a 1% England. Would that just be an error or is it legit?

2019 Results:

Eastern Europe and Russia: 70%

Baltics: 30% (with Lithuania coming up as a community)


New results:

Europe NE: 83%

Baltic: 16%

England: 1%

[Rædwald]

{"key":"Scotland","percentage":26,"lowerConfidence":0,"upperConfidence":28,"lowConfidenceAssignment":false,"color":"#75cd00"}

This seems like a broad range of confidence, no? I'm not certain about how their calculator works.

Also I'm not confident these will reflect final result. The last time users jury-rigged a preview it wasn't accurate to final prediction.

[RandomGuy20]

Their Irish percentages are very accurate (as per the white paper and most results I've seen), whereas the Scottish and English percentages are all over the place, so yes, it should have been a single British category for now, separate from the continent. My result would be basically correct then, not 30% phantom Scottish.

Yeah the English percentage is odd, the regional map includes most of France and a portion of SW Germany. My dad for example is 23% English even though the highest point his ancestry goes is South Germany.

[RyoHazuki]

403, doesnt work.

[Grace O'Malley]

New results

{"version":2020,"createdAt":1595869661000,"regions":[{"key":"Ireland","percentage":51,"lowerConfidence":47,"upperConfidence":54,"lowConfidenceAssignment":false,"color":"#f1e000"},{"key":"Balkans","percentage":47,"lowerConfidence":46,"upperConfidence":52,"lowConfidenceAssignment":false,"color":"#75cd00"},{"key":"Germany","percentage":2,"lowerConfidence":0,"upperConfidence":8,"lowConfidenceAssignment":false,"color":"#00cc99"}]}

That looks really good for you.

[PaleoEuropean]

Yeah the English percentage is odd, the regional map includes most of France and a portion of SW Germany. My dad for example is 23% English even though the highest point his ancestry goes is South Germany.

It used to include all of Denmark too XD. I am sure at least 50% of my English on Ancestry and 23 is Danish

[Peterski]

Nothing special for me with this update:

Current results:

{"version":2019,"createdAt":1565679957000,"regions":[{"key":"Slavic","percentage":97,"lowerConfidence":90,"upperConfidence":100,"lowConfidenceAssignment":false,"color":"#f1e000"},{"key":"Baltic","percentage":3,"lowerConfidence":0,"upperConfidence":16,"lowConfidenceAssignment":false,"color":"#75cd00"}]}

Upcoming results:

{"version":2020,"createdAt":1595445578000,"regions":[{"key":"EuropeNE","percentage":98,"lowerConfidence":94,"upperConfidence":100,"lowConfidenceAssignment":false,"color":"#f1e000"},{"key":"Baltic","percentage":2,"lowerConfidence":0,"upperConfidence":11,"lowConfidenceAssignment":false,"color":"#75cd00"}]}

Slavic declined from 97% to 0% = nothing special?!

[RyoHazuki]

Slavic declined from 97% to 0% = nothing special?!

Slavic was renamed to NE Euro.

[JamesBond007]

My updated version :

Ireland : 53%
Scotland : 33%
England : 7%
Germany : 4%
Norway : 2%
Nigger : 1%

^ I don't find the above very useful are there is no single closest population like GEDmatch and G25 etc.. can do. From the above it would look like single closest population could potentially be Scotland but I dunno.

So, G25 has my number 1 population as Dutch but that is the global macro view rather than micro view. In Creoda I trust (AncestryDNA is trash):


https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?331893-Northern-English-regional-K13-K15-averages


Eurogenes K13 :

Distance to: Kevin
2.24784341 East_Midlands_England
2.48567898 West_Midlands_England
2.65804439 English_Midlands
3.22384863 English
3.33270161 English_North
3.46812630 Irish
3.68688215 Welsh
3.84262931 Scottish
4.11368448 Orcadian
4.49547550 West_Scottish
4.76309773 Southwest_English

K15 :

Distance to: kevin
1.83820565 West_Midlands_England
2.24991111 English_Midlands
2.42870336 East_Midlands_England
2.51867028 Welsh
2.57858488 English_North
2.64450373 Yorkshire
2.70830205 England
2.74308221 Dutch
3.28980243 NW_England
3.69307460 Scotland
4.12688745 Southwest_English
4.22028435 Southeast_English


My Best Ancient G25 fit (using Iron Age and Medieval samples) :

Target: KevinG_scaled
Distance: 1.9624% / 0.01962356
42.8 England_IA (England Iron Age)
32.0 ISL_Viking_Age_Pre_Christian (Icelandic Norse Teutonic Viking)
25.2 SVK_Poprad_MA (Continental Ancient German)

[Lemgrant]

nope:
{"status":403,"error":"FORBIDDEN","message":"","timeStamp":1599595176262}

but they will update soon:
https://i.imgur.com/CHVwDuq.png

[Pine]

Where is Dutch

Must've been mistaken for SSA.

[Pine]

It is possible they did that in their political current deviant sly way. For instance, Dna.land (asscociated with Columbia university) and LivingDNA (a British company) both say I am 0% black.:confused:

It's extremely unlikely to be an error. It's very distinct. Mind sharing your G25 coordinates?

[JamesBond007]

My updated version :

Ireland : 53%
Scotland : 33%
England : 7%
Germany : 4%
Norway : 2%
Nigger : 1%

^ I don't find the above very useful are there is no single closest population like GEDmatch and G25 etc.. can do. From the above it would look like single closest population could potentially be Scotland but I dunno.

Reality check for retarded Americans such as AncestryDNA :

Target: KevinG_scaled
Distance: 1.9624% / 0.01962356
42.8 England_IA (native British)
32.0 ISL_Viking_Age_Pre_Christian (Teutonic viking )
25.2 SVK_Poprad_MA (Deutschendorf Germanic)

https://dnagenics.com/admixture-ucla-human-genetics/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_California,_Los_Angeles

UCLA says my ancestry is from Britain :

https://i.postimg.cc/xTWTgwfx/UCLA.jpg


Distance: 2.10

81.60% England
07.20% Dutch
07.00% Norway
01.40% Chuvash

etc.. everything under 1 surpressed as probable statistical noise

Least-squares method.

Using 1 populations approximation
1 100% England @ 2.921
2 100% Dutch @ 3.148
3 100% Scotland @ 4.029
4 100% Southwest_English @ 4.219
5 100% Southeast_English @ 4.350
6 100% North_Dutch @ 4.705
7 100% West_Scottish @ 5.159
8 100% Irish @ 5.164
9 100% Orcadian @ 5.529
10 100% North_German @ 6.022

Using 2 populations approximation
1 50% England + 50% Dutch @ 2.661
2 50% England + 50% England @ 2.921
3 50% Dutch + 50% Southwest_English @ 2.992
4 50% England + 50% Scotland @ 3.143
5 50% Dutch + 50% Dutch @ 3.148
6 50% Scotland + 50% Southwest_English @ 3.228
7 50% England + 50% North_Dutch @ 3.267
8 50% Southwest_English + 50% North_Dutch @ 3.287
9 50% Dutch + 50% Southeast_English @ 3.306
10 50% England + 50% Southwest_English @ 3.379

Using 3 populations approximation
1 33% England + 33% England + 33% Dutch @ 2.662
2 33% England + 33% Dutch + 33% Dutch @ 2.747
3 33% England + 33% Dutch + 33% Southwest_English @ 2.859
4 33% Dutch + 33% Dutch + 33% Southwest_English @ 2.860
5 33% England + 33% England + 33% England @ 2.921
6 33% England + 33% Dutch + 33% Scotland @ 2.962
7 33% Dutch + 33% Scotland + 33% Southwest_English @ 2.969
8 33% Orcadian + 33% Orcadian + 33% East_German @ 2.973
9 33% England + 33% England + 33% Scotland @ 2.979
10 33% England + 33% England + 33% North_Dutch @ 2.987

Using 4 populations approximation
1 25% Orcadian + 25% Orcadian + 25% Orcadian + 25% East_German @ 2.622
2 25% England + 25% England + 25% Dutch + 25% Dutch @ 2.661
3 25% England + 25% England + 25% England + 25% Dutch @ 2.697
4 25% England + 25% England + 25% England + 25% Norway @ 2.729
5 25% England + 25% England + 25% England + 25% North_Swedish @ 2.818
6 25% England + 25% England + 25% Dutch + 25% Southwest_English @ 2.833
7 25% England + 25% England + 25% Dutch + 25% Scotland @ 2.841
8 25% England + 25% England + 25% England + 25% North_German @ 2.842
9 25% England + 25% England + 25% Dutch + 25% North_German @ 2.843
10 25% Dutch + 25% Dutch + 25% Dutch + 25% Southwest_English @ 2.864

[JamesBond007]

Their Irish percentages are very accurate (as per the white paper and most results I've seen), whereas the Scottish and English percentages are all over the place, so yes, it should have been a single British category for now, separate from the continent. My result would be basically correct then, not 30% phantom Scottish.

I would not trust AncestryDNA : Americans are retarded at math and science and they would rather hear they are Irish and Scandinavian than British (I'm not saying most Americans are of British origin) so the market dictates that AncestryDNA will lie to them because the customer is always 'right' in Capitalism.

[Celestia]

All of my family's results say error "forbidden" :-/

[JamesBond007]

https://www.reddit.com/r/AncestryDNA/comments/ikvov5/update_coming_soon/

https://www.theverge.com/2013/12/3/5169722/us-students-lag-behind-math-science-oecd-pisa-report

[Smitty]

https://www.theverge.com/2013/12/3/5169722/us-students-lag-behind-math-science-oecd-pisa-report

Lol, why the quote? I don't see the relevance anyway. Just because "Americans" are bad at math and science doesn't mean the scientists AncestryDNA employs are. But you won't catch me defending their ethnicity estimates: They flubbed worse on my mom than you think they did on you.

[JamesBond007]

Lol, why the quote? I don't see the relevance anyway. Just because "Americans" are bad at math and science doesn't mean the scientists AncestryDNA employs are. But you won't catch me defending their ethnicity estimates: They flubbed worse on my mom than you think they did on you.

Lol Americans are so unsophisticated. I'm sorry but there is no nice way to put it. So, even if the 'scientists' do not represent the average American in their proficiency at math and science it means that AncestryDNA can LIE to you in order to make $$. Economics is not a natural science like physics and biology so it does not mix well with AncestryDNA's service. There are economic and social factors on why they would skew their results one way or another.

So, if AncestryDNA lies to Americans there is no way they can find out they are being lied to because they suck at math and science. It is not like they are going to download their raw DNA and analyze it.

[Smitty]

Lol Americans are so unsophisticated. I'm sorry but there is no nice way to put it. So, even if the 'scientists' do not represent the average American in their proficiency at math and science it means that AncestryDNA can LIE to you in order to make $$. Economics is not a natural science like physics and biology so it does not mix well with AncestryDNA's service. There are economic and social factors on why they would skew their results one way or another.

So, if AncestryDNA lies to Americans there is no way they can find out they are being lied to because they suck at math and science. It is not like they are going to download their raw DNA and analyze it.

Of course, they could lie. Any company can. Are they doing so deliberately? Possibly. But that's not a very good business model. It may sell well to those who are looking to be something they're not. But plenty of testers already have an idea of their ancestry and will be upset if the company gets it wrong. There are way too many variables involved to make it a good idea to purposefully skew results. Furthermore, those testers who are so ignorant as to take these results at face value aren't doing any preliminary research on the testing companies to see which one will give them their coveted Irish and Amerindian. They just take the test and believe it or not based on what they wanted to see. So how does this lying increase sales? Word of mouth? Ancestry just isn't very good at what they do, in my opinion.

[Graham]

Will be interesting how they calculate the Scottish region which I don't think any of the main companies have done before.

Ancestry will have tons and tons of Scots with family trees to get this correct.

Also I'll say this before hand. People who are Irish-English in ancestry could score Scottish.

[Graham]

1,411 Samples from Scotland. Seems solid. Looks to be East Coast/Highlands Makes sense considering How Irish West Scotland is anyway.


https://i.postimg.cc/h47vP18g/image.png

[Smitty]

Will be interesting how they calculate the Scottish region which I don't think any of the main companies have done before.

Ancestry will have tons and tons of Scots with family trees to get this correct.

Also I'll say this before hand. People who are Irish-English in ancestry could score Scottish.

Scotland looks overestimated based on some of these preliminary results. It'll probably be good only for pure British Islanders.

[Graham]

Can see what they were doing based on the studies. Borders obviously in-between and people who score a mix of multiple populations have different looking results.



https://i.ibb.co/F5XDqbG/image.pnghttps://i.ibb.co/XY5QTpK/image.png

[Mingle]

1,411 Samples from Scotland. Seems solid. Looks to be East Coast/Highlands Makes sense considering How Irish West Scotland is anyway.


https://i.postimg.cc/h47vP18g/image.pngDo you think the eastern lowlands (Scottish Marches/Borders & Lothian) should be its own category? That region doesn't have the same Gaelic influence as the western lowlands. Maybe grouping the lowlands with northern (or just northeastern) England as a single region would make sense.

[JamesBond007]

Can see what they were doing based on the studies. Borders obviously in-between and people who score a mix of multiple populations have different looking results.



https://i.ibb.co/F5XDqbG/image.pnghttps://i.ibb.co/XY5QTpK/image.png

I don't hate the Scots but what I pissed about is AncestryDNA's results make me look Scottish. Now I would rather be Scottish than Southern European or Slavic and I see lowland Scots as blood brothers with the English but AncestryDNA's update is saying I'm mostly Scottish and Irish.

Honestly, we don't need new studies and tecniques to keep coming out IMHO (maybe more samples would be good though). This science matured a long time ago as the human genome project was finished way back in 2003 and it is now 2020.


This study from 2012 seems sufficient so why all the updates from AncestryDNA ? I'm not trying to walk around saying I'm a Scotsman or Irishman if that is not the case it could be potentially dangerous for me :

I can map myself here to within 500 kilometers of my Ancestry from the university of UCLA :

http://genetics.cs.ucla.edu/spa/

http://genetics.cs.ucla.edu/spa/images/2d.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/jdmP352Y/ancestry.png


Also, here :

https://gen3553.pagesperso-orange.fr/ADN/Europe.htm


https://i.postimg.cc/DZcY1Nr0/k36gps.png

[PaleoEuropean]

Will be interesting how they calculate the Scottish region which I don't think any of the main companies have done before.

Ancestry will have tons and tons of Scots with family trees to get this correct.

Also I'll say this before hand. People who are Irish-English in ancestry could score Scottish.

23 has Scottish regions

[JamesBond007]

Of course, they could lie. Any company can. Are they doing so deliberately? Possibly. But that's not a very good business model.


Truth has no manners. It is no respecter of persons. It wounds kings as deeply as commoners. It cuts down the high, and confirms the lowness of the low. It may dress up for formal occasions, but it does so only in order that it may more shockingly expose itself in front of the assembled company. And just as it respects no one, likewise there are few who respect it. But those who do are granted many favors -- power, understanding, dominion, and of course the honor of the unswerving hatred of the ignorant millions.



It may sell well to those who are looking to be something they're not. But plenty of testers already have an idea of their ancestry and will be upset if the company gets it wrong. There are way too many variables involved to make it a good idea to purposefully skew results. Furthermore, those testers who are so ignorant as to take these results at face value aren't doing any preliminary research on the testing companies to see which one will give them their coveted Irish and Amerindian. They just take the test and believe it or not based on what they wanted to see. So how does this lying increase sales? Word of mouth? Ancestry just isn't very good at what they do, in my opinion.

Americans of European descent would rather hear they are part Irish and Scandinavian , among other possible results sometimes, with small amounts native American. The truth does not sell well. Damn right they are not good at what they do man. They are a geneology company first and foremost tracking ancestry the old school way they just got into the the genetics game as an afterthought.

[Creoda]

1,411 Samples from Scotland. Seems solid. Looks to be East Coast/Highlands Makes sense considering How Irish West Scotland is anyway.


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It's interesting that Brittany gets higher Scottish than the Republic of Ireland, Wales and most of England, also that the nucleus of the Scottish region is the former Pictish areas. English only get between 50-75% English, & NW Euro for the latest update. On Anthrogenica someone's grandmother from Norfolk gets only 49% E&NW.

[Creoda]

Truth has no manners. It is no respecter of persons. It wounds kings as deeply as commoners. It cuts down the high, and confirms the lowness of the low. It may dress up for formal occasions, but it does so only in order that it may more shockingly expose itself in front of the assembled company. And just as it respects no one, likewise there are few who respect it. But those who do are granted many favors -- power, understanding, dominion, and of course the honor of the unswerving hatred of the ignorant millions.




Americans of European descent would rather hear they are part Irish and Scandinavian , among other possible results sometimes, with small amounts native American. The truth does not sell well. Damn right they are not good at what they do man. They are a geneology company first and foremost tracking ancestry the old school way they just got into the the genetics game as an afterthought.
You are a typical American, larping as something you're not, you just larp the opposite way of most Americans.

[JamesBond007]

You are a typical American, larping as something you're not, you just larp the opposite way of most Americans.

You bloody scottish hypocrite have me chuffed at your bants mate. You are the pot calling the kettle black. You larp as English and Irish when in reality that makes you probably of Scottish origin.

So why don't write the researchers at UCLA college a letter saying " you morons with low IQs I'm a Australian bogan that knows more than you !" ? Then write one to Stanford University because they both plot me as British and only slightly more than 8% of Americans are of British origin this is not the 1780s anymore.

[Creoda]

You bloody scottish hypocrite have me chuffed at your bants mate. You are the pot calling the kettle black. You larp as English and Irish when in reality that makes you probably of Scottish origin.

So why don't write the researchers at UCLA college a letter saying " you morons with low IQs I'm a Australian bogan that knows more than you !" ? Then write one to Stanford University because they both plot me as British and only slightly more than 8% of Americans are of British origin this is not the 1780s anymore.
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[Graham]

Do you think the eastern lowlands (Scottish Marches/Borders & Lothian) should be its own category? That region doesn't have the same Gaelic influence as the western lowlands. Maybe grouping the lowlands with northern (or just northeastern) England as a single region would make sense.

Many on the Scottish side of the borders cluster with SW Scotland. I'd argue that East Lothian is more English than Dumfries.

Cumbria & Northumberland are too in-between really.


23 has Scottish regions

The regions don't work very well, seems to have a bias to the cities. They tried to compete with Ancestries Communities, but it is not as good.

I have 23andme and Ancestry.


It's interesting that Brittany gets higher Scottish than the Republic of Ireland, Wales and most of England, also that the nucleus of the Scottish region is the former Pictish areas. English only get between 50-75% English, & NW Euro for the latest update. On Anthrogenica someone's grandmother from Norfolk gets only 49% E&NW.

I think it is because Brittany doesn't have it's region? Irish scores higher there too.

It might change things if they did.

49%. What else did they score?

I do wonder if there should have been an extra Sco-Ire-eng cluster that catches the loose bits.

[Mingle]

Many on the Scottish side of the borders cluster with SW Scotland. I'd argue that East Lothian is more English than Dumfries.

Lothian was never Gaelic, so it makes sense it'd be more English than Dumfries.

When talking about SE Scotland, I was referring to the Borders+Lothian as those were the parts of the Lowlands that were never Gaelic, unlike SW Scotland which had the strongest Gaelic impact.

Would you say SE Scotland is more similar to SW Scotland or to NW England (Northumberland+Yorkshire)?

[Graham]

Lothian was never Gaelic, so it makes sense it'd be more English than Dumfries.

When talking about SE Scotland, I was referring to the Borders+Lothian as those were the parts of the Lowlands that were never Gaelic, unlike SW Scotland which had the strongest Gaelic impact.

Would you say SE Scotland is more similar to SW Scotland or to NW England (Northumberland+Yorkshire)?

Edinburgh is more of a mix.

West Lothian most people there came from the 20th century Glasgow overspill, incomers from Ulster (Catholic & Protestants) or a few areas around Scotland from the 19th century(mining county). Central belt Scotland is a modern construct. West Lothian is more like North & South Lanarkshire in culture. So South West Scotland. I'm from Livingston in West Lothian.

I'd say East Lothian is the more Anglo part of the Lothians. Less incomers, low population, occupied by the Angles for a time. That and Berwickshire.

The Kingdom of Fife. Fuck knows. Mysterious people over the Forth. :D

[Creoda]

Many on the Scottish side of the borders cluster with SW Scotland. I'd argue that East Lothian is more English than Dumfries.

Cumbria & Northumberland are too in-between really.



The regions don't work very well, seems to have a bias to the cities. They tried to compete with Ancestries Communities, but it is not as good.

I have 23andme and Ancestry.



I think it is because Brittany doesn't have it's region? Irish scores higher there too.

It might change things if they did.

49%. What else did they score?

I do wonder if there should have been an extra Sco-Ire-eng cluster that catches the loose bits.

Originally Posted by Mstock View Post
Just got my grandmothers results back from ancestrydna. She got the new reference panel and is born in East anglia Norfolk.
england: 49%
germanic 7%
Sweden 6%
Norway 11%
Scotland 27%
Honestly I’m scared for her to see these results. She is the typical English lady and this may confuse her. Honestly I don’t read into percentages but when she reads it she will wonder what the hell. I can honestly say these results are trash. All her family goes back hundreds of years from neighboring towns. I have not tracked any of her family out of England. I understand there is influences from neighboring countries but this is just ludacris.

[Mingle]

Edinburgh is more of a mix.

West Lothian most people there came from the 20th century Glasgow overspill, incomers from Ulster (Catholic & Protestants) or a few areas around Scotland from the 19th century(mining county). Central belt Scotland is a modern construct. West Lothian is more like North & South Lanarkshire in culture. So South West Scotland. I'm from Livingston in West Lothian.

I'd say East Lothian is the more Anglo part of the Lothians. Less incomers, low population, occupied by the Angles for a time. That and Berwickshire.

The Kingdom of Fife. Fuck knows. Mysterious people over the Forth. :D

How much influence do highland settlers have on the various lowland regions that came as a result of the Highland Clearances?

[Ford]

Moved to other thread

[Graham]

How much influence do highland settlers have on the various lowland regions that came as a result of the Highland Clearances?

Lots. Scotlands concentrated population has moved around. This should give you a fair idea.

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