Laly’s husband results – please help!

[Laly]

The reason why I recently logged in on this site not so long ago is that I had bought a dna test for my husband, from the company IGenea, in Switzerland.

He got the results today and I am disappointed by the lack of information. I bought the most basic kit, which cost me around 200 euros, while the more complete kits cost at IGenea more than 500 euros or 1300 euros, which is a lot. On the websites of other companies, I see only one package, for around 200 euros. Is the information provided by these other companies, for about the same price, more complete?

This is all he got, and there is no “raw data”:

https://i.ibb.co/WGMkQ9K/igenea-pf.png

It’s not detailed at all and on the map, why is it mostly Britain that is coloured while all his known ancestors since the XVIIth century are Walloons?

Thank you in advance for your help.

[Annie999]

Congrats on the results. Might I ask why you bought that test instead of 23andme or AncestryDNA that are more popular, less expensive and give you raw data?

[Scandal]

there is no “raw data”:


Lol! You didn't make the right choice imo. I bought 'MyHeritage' for 49 Euros and I have the raw data that can be used for gedmatch, vahaduo etc.

[Luke35]

I'm not familiar with this particular company, but all of the company's that I am familiar with allow you to download your raw data. This is essential for use on GEDmatch, G25, uploading to other commercial company's etc. It can be a little tricky to find how to access the raw data, depending on the company. I would suggest sending an email to them asking for detailed instructions as to how to download it.

As far as his results, this looks to my eye to be a major mis-modeling of his ancestry. I am not an expert on Walloon admixture, but I am guessing this 3-way split: British Isles/East Europe/Southeast Europe could be a balancing act of sorts. Seems like the algorithm assigned him too much British, and to balance that out these Eastern references were selected. But actually, that does not even make much sense, as he seems to get way too much admix from the East/Southeast even in this scenario.

[Scandal]

This company seems trash to be honest. You should've asked for advice from experienced users, like I did.

[Laly]

Congrats on the results. Might I ask why you bought that test instead of 23andme or AncestryDNA that are more popular, less expensive and give you raw data?

Thank you for your message. I had actually tried to buy a kit from the companies you mentioned, but I couldn't order any from my country.

[Scandal]

Thank you for your message. I had actually tried to buy a kit from the companies you mentioned, but I couldn't order any from my country.

What about myheritage? Don't they ship to Belgium?

[Laly]

This company seems trash to be honest. You should've asked for advice from experienced users, like I did.

Yes, it seems I made a big mistake... I should have asked here first, but I thought about this site after I had bought the kit...

[Scandal]

This company is trash and its headquarters are ought to demolished.

[Leto]

200 euros for that thing? Lol, you were duped big time, I feel sorry for you.

[Laly]

What about myheritage? Don't they ship to Belgium?

I don't know, this company didn't come to my mind. I'm really dumb :(

[Annie999]

I don't know, this company didn't come to my mind. I'm really dumb :(

You’re not dumb, you just didn’t know.

[Luke35]

I don't know, this company didn't come to my mind. I'm really dumb :(

Your obviously not dumb. But unfortunately, if this company is a scam and won't provide you the raw data, you may have to go with a reputable company and do it all again.

[Laly]

I'm not familiar with this particular company, but all of the company's that I am familiar with allow you to download your raw data. This is essential for use on GEDmatch, G25, uploading to other commercial company's etc. It can be a little tricky to find how to access the raw data, depending on the company. I would suggest sending an email to them asking for detailed instructions as to how to download it.

As far as his results, this looks to my eye to be a major mis-modeling of his ancestry. I am not an expert on Walloon admixture, but I am guessing this 3-way split: British Isles/East Europe/Southeast Europe could be a balancing act of sorts. Seems like the algorithm assigned him too much British, and to balance that out these Eastern references were selected. But actually, that does not even make much sense, as he seems to get way too much admix from the East/Southeast even in this scenario.

But strangely enough, he looks quite Eastern Euro, doesn't he?

https://i.ibb.co/wC56NVr/1.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/K0k2cND/2.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/vP8Yh73/6.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/WgPRfRR/SDC14875-2.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/rfB6dq5/SDC15834-2.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/TBDVrNK/IMG-20180505-143645-3.jpg

[Luke35]

But strangely enough, he looks quite Eastern Euro, doesn't he?

Imo, he would pass in Central/East no problem. He is tough for me to classify for some reason, maybe Atlantid/Atlanto-Med range, also he has a little Dinarization to his facial profile. But on the other hand in some ways he seems fairly close to North Pontid types.

[Laly]

Imo, he would pass in Central/East no problem. He is tough for me to classify for some reason, maybe Atlantid/Atlanto-Med range, also he has a little Dinarization to his facial profile. But on the other hand in some ways he seems fairly close to North Pontid types.

Interesting. Why "North Pontid" rather than "Pontid"?

By the way, I wrote a mail to IGenea asking for the raw data.

[Jana]

He does looks partly eastern European. Are you sure he is fully Walloon?

[Jana]

PS: you are really nice looksmatched couple. Both of you look similar to each other and have similar phenotypes and colors. Very cool!
Sorry to hear that Ignenea scammed you, they are complete trash and they really don't provide raw data as far as I know.

[Token]

I can't believe you've paid 200 euros for this.

[Luke35]

Interesting. Why "North Pontid" rather than "Pontid"?

By the way, I wrote a mail to IGenea asking for the raw data.

His features are a little too chiseled for Pontid I think. Something else too, I can't put my finger on it.

I sure hope they give you the raw data but as I just read Stearsolina says that they do not.

[Laly]

PS: you are really nice looksmatched couple. Both of you look similar to each other and have similar phenotypes and colors. Very cool!
Sorry to hear that Ignenea scammed you, they are complete trash and they really don't provide raw data as far as I know.

You are really too kind Stearsolina! Thank you very much. You and your husband also make a lovely well-matched couple, with beautiful coulours!

[Laly]

He does looks partly eastern European. Are you sure he is fully Walloon?

As far as we know, yes and he is really into genealogy.

[Lucas]

Maybe price is for that?:) Husband got this noble picture frame?

https://www.igenea.co.uk/en/result

https://i.imgur.com/aHZDMee.png

[Peterski]

Try to email them and ask to send you the raw data file.

BTW their map looks just like FTDNA MyOrigins 1.0 map.

Here is my FTDNA MyOrigins 1.0 map:

https://i.imgur.com/03OZHkN.png

[Laly]

Maybe price is for that?:) Husband got this noble picture frame?

https://www.igenea.co.uk/en/result

https://i.imgur.com/aHZDMee.png

You really made me laugh, which is a good thing, so thank you! :) I guess it should arrive soon in the mail...

[Laly]

Try to email them and ask to send you the raw data file.

BTW their map looks just like FTDNA MyOrigins 1.0 map.

Here is my FTDNA MyOrigins 1.0 map:

https://i.imgur.com/03OZHkN.png

Thank you for your answer. I've asked for the raw data file, I wish they will send it.

What you say reminds me of what a banned member said:

https://i.ibb.co/T4j4d3W/igenea-2.png

So, it would be the same laboratory? Do you think what they sent concerning my husband can be trusted?

[Lucas]

https://i.ibb.co/T4j4d3W/igenea-2.png

So, it would be the same laboratory? Do you think what they sent concerning my husband can be trusted?
It seems yes. But the price is much higher and you don't have raw file. If it is FTDNA daughter-company? Quite disappointing move for them.

[Peterski]

So, it would be the same laboratory?

I knew that MyHeritage is the same laboratory as FTDNA, but I wasn't aware that IGenea is also associated with them.

[Coastal Elite]

Maybe price is for that?:) Husband got this noble picture frame?

https://www.igenea.co.uk/en/result

https://i.imgur.com/aHZDMee.png

The framed results and printed booklets are the biggest marketing gimmicks considering results are frequently changing with updates, even with the better companies.

[Laly]

It seems yes. But the price is much higher and you don't have raw file. If it is FTDNA daughter-company? Quite disappointing move for them.

But can MyHeritage and FTDNA results be trusted? Because I guess that if they can, so what IGenea provided should be quite right? However, not only do I not have the raw data file, but the map is really strange, as if my husband is half English half Eastern Euro, while he is Walloon. It’s illogical, as Mr. G and Peterski pointed out.

[Luke35]

But can MyHeritage and FTDNA results be trusted? Because I guess that if they can, so what IGenea provided should be quite right? However, not only do I not have the raw data file, but the map is really strange, as if my husband is half English half Eastern Euro, while he is Walloon. It’s illogical, as Mr. G and Peterski pointed out.

FTNDA and even more so, MyHeritage, have arguably the poorest results as far as accuracy out of all of the most popular commercial testing companies. From what I have seen, 23andMe is best, followed by LivingDNA and AncestryDNA.

FTDNA and MH are promising big improvements with the next updates.

As far as I know, you get the best raw data from AncestryDNA, so that's a reason to consider that company.

Regardless, the raw data is the key with the multitude of amateur calculators available, using GEDmatch or G25 it would be fairly easy to determine if this result he got is truly outlandish or in fact, has some merit. To me his result looks like pure crap.

[Lucas]

Regardless, the raw data is the key with the multitude of amateur calculators available, using GEDmatch or G25 it would be fairly easy to determine if this result he got is truly outlandish or in fact, has some merit. To me his result looks like pure crap.

It's the main reason they don't provide raw data:) Remember the noble picture frame man. Result must fits it. What if in another calc, estimation table would be too long:)?

[Not a Cop]

But strangely enough, he looks quite Eastern Euro, doesn't he?


He really does. I would guess Moldavian/Ukrainian or Chuvash/Tatar.

[Chris596]

I agree with the others, your husband seems to be at least partially Eastern European. But you can rarely get someone's ancestry right, only by looking at their picture. You look like a beautiful couple :)

And yes I also have to say that this was not worth it at all, but now you already know it. Don't worry, because if you have the money (and will), you should try again later, when you feel like it. Something like Ancestry, 23andme, these companies are good indeed.

[Leto]

He really does. I would guess Moldavian/Ukrainian or Chuvash/Tatar.
And yet not Russian :rolleyes: I'd say Tatar/Chuvash would be a bit of a stretch. Moldovan or khokhol yes.

[Lucas]

He really does. I would guess Moldavian/Ukrainian or Chuvash/Tatar.

Chuvash/Tatar??? Because of his eyes? But Laly has even more "eastern" eyes and she is western Euro only.

[Immanenz]

His features are a little too chiseled for Pontid I think. Something else too, I can't put my finger on it.

I sure hope they give you the raw data but as I just read Stearsolina says that they do not.

The way Pontid is used on anthroforums was never used by Bunak nor Coon- its basically used for Gorid like Meds, sometimes for exotic, borderline Euro looking people who are "just" Pontid...

What is Pontid? Coon defined it as a high headed Med type, thats basically the only difference for him. He would classify Laly´s husband most likely as an Alpine- Atlanto Med type, simply because he is certainly not high headed.
A high headed, soft features Atlanto Med sounds basically like a dinaromprhic Atlanto with Alpine influnces and both Alpine and Dinaric influences are traced up to Belgium.

It obv. does not answer the question if Laly´s husband has Easteuro heritage, but i doubt it.
Pontid and North Pontid look can be easily simulated in Westeuro, much more if Dinaric and Alpine influences are there, hooded eyes help too.
Mario Rui was classified as "Pontid" by a Portuese user and Migel Luis is also considered as Russian looking
https://www.transfermarkt.at/mario-rui/profil/spieler/87884
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?331227-Variation-showcase-Post-different-types-from-your-country
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?287257-Classify-Portuguese-football-player-Miguel-Lu%EDs

[TheMaestro]

LOOOOL, RIP MONEY, also it looks like cheaper version of FTDNA XD

[Faklon]

The way Pontid is used on anthroforums was never used by Bunak nor Coon- its basically used for Gorid like Meds, sometimes for exotic, borderline Euro looking people who are "just" Pontid...

What is Pontid? Coon defined it as a high headed Med type, thats basically the only difference for him. He would classify Laly´s husband most likely as an Alpine- Atlanto Med type, simply because he is certainly not high headed.
A high headed, soft features Atlanto Med sounds basically like a dinaromprhic Atlanto with Alpine influnces and both Alpine and Dinaric influences are traced up to Belgium.

It obv. does not answer the question if Laly´s husband has Easteuro heritage, but i doubt it.
Pontid and North Pontid look can be easily simulated in Westeuro, much more if Dinaric and Alpine influences are there, hooded eyes help too.
Mario Rui was classified as "Pontid" by a Portuese user and Migel Luis is also considered as Russian looking
https://www.transfermarkt.at/mario-rui/profil/spieler/87884
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?331227-Variation-showcase-Post-different-types-from-your-country
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?287257-Classify-Portuguese-football-player-Miguel-Lu%EDs

Basically Pontid and East-med (generic high-headed spectrum by Lundman) are used for Litorid and various alpinesque types from Western Asia to Eastern Europe and beyond.

[Coastal Elite]

I went to the IGenea website: https://www.igenea.us/en/home

Only $1,500 USD for "iGENEA Expert"

[Faklon]

I went to the IGenea website: https://www.igenea.us/en/home

Only $1,500 USD for "iGENEA Expert"

"All ancient tribes" sounds like ancient aliens.

[Not a Cop]

Chuvash/Tatar??? Because of his eyes? But Laly has even more "eastern" eyes and she is western Euro only.

He just gave me such impression

[Tchek]

I'd say he looks quite atypical... maybe there is some truth about eastern-european ancestry? Sometimes you have a surprise, we think we know our forefathers but we don't... For example I learned only recently that one of my grandmother was French.

Do you have his haplogroup(s)?

[Chris596]

I'd say he looks quite atypical... maybe there is some truth about eastern-european ancestry? Sometimes you have a surprise, we think we know our forefathers but we don't... For example I learned only recently that one of my grandmother was French.

Do you have his haplogroup(s)?

This is really true, I have had the same experience recently. (finding out that I'm part Armenian) - I already suspected it before and knew some stories, but I wasn't sure so after all of my results I asked my father and especially my paternal grandparents and looks like it's true.

[Token]

I can buy 5 whole genome sequencing kits for 1500 euros :picard1:

[Laly]

I was finally given access to his raw data files. Your comments are really welcome, as I am so ignorant in matters of genetics.

Eurogenes K13 Oracle results:

Admix Results (sorted):

Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 42.89
2 Baltic 22.49
3 West_Med 16.15
4 East_Med 9.33
5 West_Asian 4.52
6 Red_Sea 1.87
7 South_Asian 1.28
8 Amerindian 0.72
9 Northeast_African 0.66
10 Sub-Saharan 0.09

Single Population Sharing:

Population (source) Distance
1 West_German 2.83
2 South_Dutch 2.92
3 French 5.6
4 Southeast_English 8.06
5 Austrian 8.75
6 North_German 9.23
7 Southwest_English 9.87
8 Orcadian 10.22
9 Danish 10.31
10 North_Dutch 10.37
11 East_German 10.4
12 Irish 11.34
13 West_Scottish 11.7
14 Norwegian 12.6
15 Hungarian 12.95
16 Swedish 13.1
17 Spanish_Cataluna 13.26
18 Spanish_Galicia 14.12
19 Portuguese 14.23
20 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 14.36

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 75.8% French + 24.2% North_Swedish @ 1.83
2 59.6% Norwegian + 40.4% North_Italian @ 2.01
3 81.2% French + 18.8% Southwest_Finnish@ 2.06
4 64.5% Danish + 35.5% North_Italian @ 2.09
5 61% North_German + 39% Portuguese @ 2.11
6 95.7% South_Dutch + 4.3% Tunisian @ 2.14
7 96.9% South_Dutch + 3.1% Yemenite_Jewish @ 2.15
8 94.6% South_Dutch + 5.4% Ashkenazi @ 2.15
9 95.7% South_Dutch + 4.3% Algerian @ 2.17
10 77.3% Southeast_English +22.7% Greek_Thessaly @ 2.18
11 96.4% South_Dutch + 3.6% Egyptian @ 2.18
12 95.9% South_Dutch + 4.1% Moroccan @ 2.19
13 93.3% South_Dutch + 6.7% Greek_Thessaly @ 2.2
14 95.5% South_Dutch + 4.5% Algerian_Jewish @ 2.21
15 88.8% West_German + 11.2% Spanish_Galicia @ 2.21
16 95.9% South_Dutch + 4.1% Mozabite_Berber@ 2.22
17 95.9% South_Dutch + 4.1% Libyan_Jewish @ 2.23
18 95.5% South_Dutch + 4.5% Italian_Jewish @ 2.24
19 75% West_German + 25% French @ 2.26
20 58.7% Swedish + 41.3% North_Italian @ 2.26





Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15 Oracle results:

Admix Results (sorted):

Population Percent
1 North_Sea 28.14
2 Atlantic 27.1
3 West_Med 11.79
4 Baltic 10.84
5 Eastern_Euro 9.23
6 East_Med 7.78
7 West_Asian 2.11
8 Red_Sea 1.68
9 South_Asian 0.56
10 Northeast_African 0.52
11 Amerindian 0.2
12 Sub-Saharan 0.05

Single Population Sharing:

Population (source) Distance
1 South_Dutch 3.95
2 French 5.53
3 West_German 7.42
4 Southwest_English 8.32
5 Southeast_English 8.76
6 North_German 8.81
7 East_German 10.07
8 Danish 10.39
9 Irish 10.55
10 North_Dutch 10.87
11 West_Scottish 11.13
12 Austrian 11.26
13 Spanish_Cataluna 11.6
14 Spanish_Galicia 12.15
15 Orcadian 12.64
16 Portuguese 12.8
17 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 12.92
18 Hungarian 13.11
19 Norwegian 13.31
20 Spanish_Murcia 13.88

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 51.7% Spanish_Murcia + 48.3% North_Swedish @ 2.66
2 50.9% North_Swedish + 49.1% Spanish_Valencia @ 2.67
3 56.4% Spanish_Cataluna + 43.6% North_Swedish @ 2.87
4 52.5% Swedish + 47.5% Spanish_Valencia @ 2.88
5 62.1% Danish + 37.9% North_Italian @ 2.95
6 95.9% South_Dutch + 4.1% Yemenite_Jewish @ 3.05
7 55.4% Swedish + 44.6% Spanish_Andalucia @ 3.11
8 50.1% Spanish_Murcia + 49.9% Swedish @ 3.12
9 52% North_Swedish + 48% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 3.13
10 94.3% South_Dutch + 5.7% Tunisian @ 3.13
11 53.6% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + 46.4% North_Swedish @ 3.15
12 93.7% South_Dutch + 6.3% Algerian_Jewish @ 3.15
13 53.8% North_Swedish + 46.2% Spanish_Andalucia @ 3.15
14 60.1% North_German + 39.9% Portuguese @ 3.15
15 62.2% North_German + 37.8% Spanish_Murcia @ 3.16
16 95.3% South_Dutch + 4.7% Egyptian @ 3.18
17 91.9% South_Dutch + 8.1% West_Sicilian @ 3.2
18 94.4% South_Dutch + 5.6% Tunisian_Jewish @ 3.21
19 94.5% South_Dutch + 5.5% Algerian @ 3.22
20 85.5% South_Dutch + 14.5% Spanish_Murcia @ 3.23

[Leto]

Wow, that's very cool, glad for him. His results are exactly what they should be!

How many SNPs were used? You can see it under the pie chart once you run the kit.

[Benyzero]

In this case I would even dare to say you should have choose myheritage instead of this, if the price was the main concern.

[Benyzero]

So you have the raw data now..fine

[Luke35]

This looks right in line with his known ancestry! Seems those sizable Eastern European/Southeastern European regions assigned to him are indeed incorrect!

[dududud]

I was finally given access to his raw data files. Your comments are really welcome, as I am so ignorant in matters of genetics.

Eurogenes K13 Oracle results:

Admix Results (sorted):

Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 42.89
2 Baltic 22.49
3 West_Med 16.15
4 East_Med 9.33
5 West_Asian 4.52
6 Red_Sea 1.87
7 South_Asian 1.28
8 Amerindian 0.72
9 Northeast_African 0.66
10 Sub-Saharan 0.09

If you want to compare with an individual mainly (means not "100%", because genealogically speaking, he has a great-great-great-great-great-great-grandfather of Couhé, in the center-west of France) from the North of France (my father, in this case); the difference is mainly in the Baltic percentage (perhaps some recent Flemish ancestors from Belgium in the case of your boyfriend?), otherwise the rest is roughly similar:

1 North_Atlantic 51.99 (more or least 9% more than your boyfriend)
2 West_Med 17.65 (1% more)
3 Baltic 15.18 (7% least)
4 East_Med 7.36 (2% least)
5 West_Asian 4.01 (more or least the same percentage)
6 East_Asian 1.73 (percentage your boyfriend does not have)
7 Oceanian 0.82 (percentage your boyfriend does not have)
8 Sub-Saharan 0.62 (a little higher than your boyfriend)
9 Red_Sea 0.56 (least)
10 South_Asian 0.07 (percentage your boyfriend does not have)


Phenotypically, he is not far from my father. There is nothing Eastern European about it in my opinion, having seen similar faces (but not always with the same pigmentation) in certain small villages in the Northern France, I think it's just a autochthonous variation of the local population traits (and therefore, natively Gallo-Celtic); however, people who have only their own province and village as their sole basis will only be able to compare his features to those of their population.

[Grace O'Malley]

I was finally given access to his raw data files. Your comments are really welcome, as I am so ignorant in matters of genetics.

Eurogenes K13 Oracle results:

Admix Results (sorted):

Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 42.89
2 Baltic 22.49
3 West_Med 16.15
4 East_Med 9.33
5 West_Asian 4.52
6 Red_Sea 1.87
7 South_Asian 1.28
8 Amerindian 0.72
9 Northeast_African 0.66
10 Sub-Saharan 0.09

Single Population Sharing:

Population (source) Distance
1 West_German 2.83
2 South_Dutch 2.92
3 French 5.6
4 Southeast_English 8.06
5 Austrian 8.75
6 North_German 9.23
7 Southwest_English 9.87
8 Orcadian 10.22
9 Danish 10.31
10 North_Dutch 10.37
11 East_German 10.4
12 Irish 11.34
13 West_Scottish 11.7
14 Norwegian 12.6
15 Hungarian 12.95
16 Swedish 13.1
17 Spanish_Cataluna 13.26
18 Spanish_Galicia 14.12
19 Portuguese 14.23
20 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 14.36

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 75.8% French + 24.2% North_Swedish @ 1.83
2 59.6% Norwegian + 40.4% North_Italian @ 2.01
3 81.2% French + 18.8% Southwest_Finnish@ 2.06
4 64.5% Danish + 35.5% North_Italian @ 2.09
5 61% North_German + 39% Portuguese @ 2.11
6 95.7% South_Dutch + 4.3% Tunisian @ 2.14
7 96.9% South_Dutch + 3.1% Yemenite_Jewish @ 2.15
8 94.6% South_Dutch + 5.4% Ashkenazi @ 2.15
9 95.7% South_Dutch + 4.3% Algerian @ 2.17
10 77.3% Southeast_English +22.7% Greek_Thessaly @ 2.18
11 96.4% South_Dutch + 3.6% Egyptian @ 2.18
12 95.9% South_Dutch + 4.1% Moroccan @ 2.19
13 93.3% South_Dutch + 6.7% Greek_Thessaly @ 2.2
14 95.5% South_Dutch + 4.5% Algerian_Jewish @ 2.21
15 88.8% West_German + 11.2% Spanish_Galicia @ 2.21
16 95.9% South_Dutch + 4.1% Mozabite_Berber@ 2.22
17 95.9% South_Dutch + 4.1% Libyan_Jewish @ 2.23
18 95.5% South_Dutch + 4.5% Italian_Jewish @ 2.24
19 75% West_German + 25% French @ 2.26
20 58.7% Swedish + 41.3% North_Italian @ 2.26





Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15 Oracle results:

Admix Results (sorted):

Population Percent
1 North_Sea 28.14
2 Atlantic 27.1
3 West_Med 11.79
4 Baltic 10.84
5 Eastern_Euro 9.23
6 East_Med 7.78
7 West_Asian 2.11
8 Red_Sea 1.68
9 South_Asian 0.56
10 Northeast_African 0.52
11 Amerindian 0.2
12 Sub-Saharan 0.05

Single Population Sharing:

Population (source) Distance
1 South_Dutch 3.95
2 French 5.53
3 West_German 7.42
4 Southwest_English 8.32
5 Southeast_English 8.76
6 North_German 8.81
7 East_German 10.07
8 Danish 10.39
9 Irish 10.55
10 North_Dutch 10.87
11 West_Scottish 11.13
12 Austrian 11.26
13 Spanish_Cataluna 11.6
14 Spanish_Galicia 12.15
15 Orcadian 12.64
16 Portuguese 12.8
17 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 12.92
18 Hungarian 13.11
19 Norwegian 13.31
20 Spanish_Murcia 13.88

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 51.7% Spanish_Murcia + 48.3% North_Swedish @ 2.66
2 50.9% North_Swedish + 49.1% Spanish_Valencia @ 2.67
3 56.4% Spanish_Cataluna + 43.6% North_Swedish @ 2.87
4 52.5% Swedish + 47.5% Spanish_Valencia @ 2.88
5 62.1% Danish + 37.9% North_Italian @ 2.95
6 95.9% South_Dutch + 4.1% Yemenite_Jewish @ 3.05
7 55.4% Swedish + 44.6% Spanish_Andalucia @ 3.11
8 50.1% Spanish_Murcia + 49.9% Swedish @ 3.12
9 52% North_Swedish + 48% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 3.13
10 94.3% South_Dutch + 5.7% Tunisian @ 3.13
11 53.6% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + 46.4% North_Swedish @ 3.15
12 93.7% South_Dutch + 6.3% Algerian_Jewish @ 3.15
13 53.8% North_Swedish + 46.2% Spanish_Andalucia @ 3.15
14 60.1% North_German + 39.9% Portuguese @ 3.15
15 62.2% North_German + 37.8% Spanish_Murcia @ 3.16
16 95.3% South_Dutch + 4.7% Egyptian @ 3.18
17 91.9% South_Dutch + 8.1% West_Sicilian @ 3.2
18 94.4% South_Dutch + 5.6% Tunisian_Jewish @ 3.21
19 94.5% South_Dutch + 5.5% Algerian @ 3.22
20 85.5% South_Dutch + 14.5% Spanish_Murcia @ 3.23

His raw dna when put through GEDmatch looks quite typical of your husband's ancestry. The problem is the interpretation of his dna by the different commercial companies. Once you have the raw dna you can upload to other sites and see if they match people of similar ancestry. I'm happy for you that you got his raw dna.

[Leto]

@Laly, post his MDLP K23b results and also Dodecad K12b components.

[Lucas]

@Laly, post his MDLP K23b results and also Dodecad K12b components.

Eurogenes K36 too

[Figaro]

Funny how phenotype manifests. Your husband looks more Eastern than I do, someone confirmed over 1/4 N.E Euro genomically.

[Laly]

This looks right in line with his known ancestry! Seems those sizable Eastern European/Southeastern European regions assigned to him are indeed incorrect!

Yes, they have done a terrible work, and when I'll get their "noble picture frame", it will go directly in the bin. Here is the data you asked for:

K13 unsorted data:

Population
North_Atlantic 42.89 Pct
Baltic 22.49 Pct
West_Med 16.15 Pct
West_Asian 4.52 Pct
East_Med 9.33 Pct
Red_Sea 1.87 Pct
South_Asian 1.28 Pct
East_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian 0.72 Pct
Oceanian -
Northeast_African 0.66 Pct
Sub-Saharan 0.09 Pct

K15 unsorted data

Population
North_Sea 28.14 Pct
Atlantic 27.10 Pct
Baltic 10.84 Pct
Eastern_Euro 9.23 Pct
West_Med 11.79 Pct
West_Asian 2.11 Pct
East_Med 7.78 Pct
Red_Sea 1.68 Pct
South_Asian 0.56 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian 0.20 Pct
Oceanian -
Northeast_African 0.52 Pct
Sub-Saharan 0.05 Pct

[Laly]

I'd say he looks quite atypical... maybe there is some truth about eastern-european ancestry? Sometimes you have a surprise, we think we know our forefathers but we don't... For example I learned only recently that one of my grandmother was French.

Do you have his haplogroup(s)?

My husband is a peasant, from a family of peasants very rooted locally.

How can I find his haplogroup(s)?

[Laly]

Wow, that's very cool, glad for him. His results are exactly what they should be!

How many SNPs were used? You can see it under the pie chart once you run the kit.

Thanks, but I feel lost with all these numbers and terms, I don't understand anything.

Eurogene k13: 77945 SNPs used
Eurogene k15: 78565 SNPs used

[Leto]

My husband is a peasant, from a family of peasants very rooted locally.

Which provinces of Wallonia?

Thanks, but I feel lost with all these numbers and terms, I don't understand anything.

Eurogene k13: 77945 SNPs used
Eurogene k15: 78565 SNPs used
The exact same number as MyHeritage and FTDNA give today.

[Laly]

@Laly, post his MDLP K23b results and also Dodecad K12b components.

MDLP K23b:

Population
Amerindian 0.89 Pct
Ancestral_Altaic 2.66 Pct
South_Central_Asian 4.28 Pct
Arctic -
South_Indian -
Australoid -
Austronesian -
Caucasian 25.33 Pct
Archaic_Human -
East_African -
East_Siberian -
European_Early_Farmers 27.79 Pct
Khoisan -
Melano_Polynesian -
Archaic_African 0.35 Pct
Near_East 4.68 Pct
North_African 1.39 Pct
Paleo_Siberian 0.57 Pct
African_Pygmy 0.42 Pct
South_East_Asian -
Subsaharian -
Tungus-Altaic -
European_Hunters_Gatherers 31.63 Pct


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 European_Hunters_Gatherers 31.63
2 European_Early_Farmers 27.79
3 Caucasian 25.33
4 Near_East 4.68
5 South_Central_Asian 4.28
6 Ancestral_Altaic 2.66
7 North_African 1.39
8 Amerindian 0.89
9 Paleo_Siberian 0.57
10 African_Pygmy 0.42
11 Archaic_African 0.35

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 South_German ( ) 3.91
2 German-Volga ( ) 4.52
3 Italian_North ( ) 7.07
4 Belgian ( ) 7.21
5 Frisian ( ) 7.63
6 Dutch ( ) 8.04
7 Austrian ( ) 8.1
8 North_German ( ) 8.1
9 Irish ( ) 9.34
10 English ( ) 9.52
11 Dane ( ) 10.75
12 English_Kent_GBR ( ) 10.76
13 North_European ( ) 11.25
14 Swede ( ) 11.63
15 German_East ( ) 12.01
16 Norwegian_East ( ) 12.15
17 Hungarian ( ) 12.18
18 English_Cornwall_GBR ( ) 12.22
19 Italian_Bergamo ( ) 12.37
20 Slovenian ( ) 12.39

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 59.6% Norwegian_East ( ) + 40.4% Italian_Abruzzo ( ) @ 1.75
2 63.8% CEU ( ) + 36.2% Greek_Peloponnesos ( ) @ 1.83
3 55.8% Swede ( ) + 44.2% Italian_Tuscan ( ) @ 1.93
4 64.1% CEU ( ) + 35.9% Greek_Thessaly ( ) @ 2.01
5 63.4% Welsh ( ) + 36.6% Greek_Peloponnesos ( ) @ 2.01
6 54.8% Norwegian_West ( ) + 45.2% Italian_Abruzzo ( ) @ 2.02
7 68.7% CEU ( ) + 31.3% Sicilian_Center ( ) @ 2.03
8 69.6% CEU ( ) + 30.4% Greek_Phokaia ( ) @ 2.03
9 80.2% South_German ( ) + 19.8% Italian_Piedmont ( ) @ 2.04
10 65.8% Austrian ( ) + 34.2% Spanish_Baleares_IBS ( ) @ 2.05
11 81.5% English_Kent_GBR ( ) + 18.5% Christian_Arabs_Israel ( ) @ 2.08
12 69.2% Welsh ( ) + 30.8% Greek_Phokaia ( ) @ 2.09
13 56.1% Dane ( ) + 43.9% Italian_Piedmont ( ) @ 2.1
14 66.1% CEU ( ) + 33.9% Ashkenazi ( ) @ 2.11
15 81.5% South_German ( ) + 18.5% Italian_Tuscan ( ) @ 2.12
16 72% North_European ( ) + 28% Sicilian_Center ( ) @ 2.14
17 82.4% English_Kent_GBR ( ) + 17.6% Druze ( ) @ 2.15
18 78.3% English_Kent_GBR ( ) + 21.7% Cypriot ( ) @ 2.15
19 68% CEU ( ) + 32% Romanian_Jew ( ) @ 2.16
20 65% CEU ( ) + 35% Greek_Thessaloniki ( ) @ 2.16



Dodecat Kb12:
Population
Gedrosia 9.49 Pct
Siberian -
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 38.14 Pct
North_European 37.77 Pct
South_Asian -
East_African 0.67 Pct
Southwest_Asian 3.34 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 10.59 Pct
Sub_Saharan -



Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Atlantic_Med 38.14
2 North_European 37.77
3 Caucasus 10.59
4 Gedrosia 9.49
5 Southwest_Asian 3.34
6 East_African 0.67

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 French (Dodecad) 6.12
2 French (HGDP) 6.55
3 Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) 7.57
4 Dutch (Dodecad) 9.28
5 Kent (1000Genomes) 9.58
6 CEU30 (1000Genomes) 10.15
7 English (Dodecad) 10.22
8 Cornwall (1000Genomes) 10.99
9 German (Dodecad) 11.04
10 British (Dodecad) 11.53
11 British_Isles (Dodecad) 11.63
12 Argyll (1000Genomes) 12.49
13 Irish (Dodecad) 12.82
14 Orcadian (HGDP) 13.09
15 Orkney (1000Genomes) 13.32
16 Hungarians (Behar) 15.92
17 Galicia (1000Genomes) 17.47
18 N_Italian (Dodecad) 17.58
19 Cataluna (1000Genomes) 17.71
20 Extremadura (1000Genomes) 18.23

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 83.3% English (Dodecad) + 16.7% Cypriots (Behar) @ 0.93
2 70.6% Orcadian (HGDP) + 29.4% Greek (Dodecad) @ 0.97
3 71.1% Irish (Dodecad) + 28.9% Greek (Dodecad) @ 0.98
4 84.2% Kent (1000Genomes) + 15.8% Cypriots (Behar) @ 0.99
5 83.4% CEU30 (1000Genomes) + 16.6% Cypriots (Behar) @ 1.03
6 81.4% British_Isles (Dodecad) + 18.6% Cypriots (Behar) @ 1.14
7 85.7% Kent (1000Genomes) + 14.3% Druze (HGDP) @ 1.15
8 63% Orkney (1000Genomes) + 37% O_Italian (Dodecad) @ 1.2
9 77.8% CEU30 (1000Genomes) + 22.2% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) @ 1.2
10 83.2% British_Isles (Dodecad) + 16.8% Druze (HGDP) @ 1.21
11 77.7% English (Dodecad) + 22.3% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) @ 1.27
12 70.3% Orkney (1000Genomes) + 29.7% Greek (Dodecad) @ 1.3
13 78.8% English (Dodecad) + 21.2% Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) @ 1.31
14 79.9% Kent (1000Genomes) + 20.1% Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) @ 1.35
15 78.8% English (Dodecad) + 21.2% Ashkenazi (Dodecad) @ 1.37
16 79% CEU30 (1000Genomes) + 21% Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) @ 1.39
17 78.9% CEU30 (1000Genomes) + 21.1% Ashkenazi (Dodecad) @ 1.4
18 71.7% Argyll (1000Genomes) + 28.3% Greek (Dodecad) @ 1.4
19 72.7% Orkney (1000Genomes) + 27.3% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) @ 1.42
20 74.3% Orcadian (HGDP) + 25.7% Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) @ 1.42

[Laly]

Eurogenes K36 too

Eurogenes K36

Population
Amerindian -
Arabian -
Armenian -
Basque 3.91 Pct
Central_African -
Central_Euro 9.87 Pct
East_African -
East_Asian -
East_Balkan 3.18 Pct
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro 3.32 Pct
East_Med 1.93 Pct
Eastern_Euro 2.09 Pct
Fennoscandian 5.96 Pct
French 5.98 Pct
Iberian 13.27 Pct
Indo-Chinese -
Italian 15.95 Pct
Malayan -
Near_Eastern -
North_African -
North_Atlantic 11.22 Pct
North_Caucasian 2.15 Pct
North_Sea 16.40 Pct
Northeast_African -
Oceanian -
Omotic -
Pygmy -
Siberian -
South_Asian -
South_Central_Asian 1.04 Pct
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural 0.91 Pct
West_African -
West_Caucasian -
West_Med 2.78 Pct

[Jana]

Here is how he compares with other TheApricity members:

Distance to: Laly_husband(walloon)

2.89143563 yowasgeht_mom(RussiaGerman)
3.78688526 Pendragon(french_nw)
4.60153235 Inf99MGma(usa)
4.70139341 Mr.G_mother(german)
4.74260477 Shuffle(german_south)
4.78635561 Skeleton(White_American)
4.82883009 Frizzlefry(white_american)
4.86677511 jtoml3(white_New_Zealander)
5.03271299 Calpalsister(British+French+Ukrainian)
5.22858489 Jingorex(white_american)
5.24401564 Grundig(German_American)
5.27923290 Norb(english)
5.30102820 Egyvalaki(Hungarian)
5.31593830 InfamousAngel99(amerimutt)
5.38416196 Jackson(english)
5.41006469 Lawalye(belgian)
5.68697635 Tchek(belgian)
5.93123090 Morticia(American)
5.98400368 Nyx(french_canadian)
6.05920787 GötterfunkeDad(German+Dutch)
6.15635444 Rædwald(English/French_Canadian)
6.20830895 Rudel(French)
6.28719333 Mr.G(hungarian/german)
6.35238538 acbrasil(white_brazilian)
6.41304920 Armatus(West_German)

Target: Laly_husband(walloon)
Distance: 0.8470% / 0.84702603 | ADC: 0.5x

50.6 yowasgeht_mom(RussiaGerman)
27.2 Pendragon(french_nw)
11.8 Tchek(belgian)
5.6 Frizzlefry(white_american)
4.8 Norb(english)

Target: Laly_husband(walloon)
Distance: 0.6150% / 0.61500115 | ADC: 0.25x

40.6 yowasgeht_mom(RussiaGerman)
25.6 Pendragon(french_nw)
13.8 Frizzlefry(white_american)
6.6 Nyx(french_canadian)
6.4 Tchek(belgian)
5.6 Norb(english)
1.4 RyoHazuki(English+French)

[Laly]

If you want to compare with an individual mainly (means not "100%", because genealogically speaking, he has a great-great-great-great-great-great-grandfather of Couhé, in the center-west of France) from the North of France (my father, in this case); the difference is mainly in the Baltic percentage (perhaps some recent Flemish ancestors from Belgium in the case of your boyfriend?), otherwise the rest is roughly similar:

1 North_Atlantic 51.99 (more or least 9% more than your boyfriend)
2 West_Med 17.65 (1% more)
3 Baltic 15.18 (7% least)
4 East_Med 7.36 (2% least)
5 West_Asian 4.01 (more or least the same percentage)
6 East_Asian 1.73 (percentage your boyfriend does not have)
7 Oceanian 0.82 (percentage your boyfriend does not have)
8 Sub-Saharan 0.62 (a little higher than your boyfriend)
9 Red_Sea 0.56 (least)
10 South_Asian 0.07 (percentage your boyfriend does not have)


Phenotypically, he is not far from my father. There is nothing Eastern European about it in my opinion, having seen similar faces (but not always with the same pigmentation) in certain small villages in the Northern France, I think it's just a autochthonous variation of the local population traits (and therefore, natively Gallo-Celtic); however, people who have only their own province and village as their sole basis will only be able to compare his features to those of their population.

Very interesting! Thank you for sharing this!

Your father has ancestors from French Polynesia too? Why do they have Sub-Saharan? Is it present in many European populations? I have to say I don't really like to see that, but maybe I have more Sub-Saharan than them...

[Jana]

Try this to find out his HG (not sure will it work but give it a try)

https://ytree.morleydna.com/extractFromAutosomal
https://cladefinder.yseq.net/

[Leto]

Population[/b]
Gedrosia 9.49 Pct
Siberian -
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 38.14 Pct
North_European 37.77 Pct
South_Asian -
East_African 0.67 Pct
Southwest_Asian 3.34 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 10.59 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Target: Laly_husband
Distance: 2.0218% / 2.02180568 | ADC: 0.5x
51.2 Bavarian_German
39.6 French2
8.2 Mixed_NW_Euro
1.0 Brahui

Target: Laly_husband
Distance: 1.0621% / 1.06206525 | ADC: 0.25x
45.4 Bavarian_German
38.4 French2
13.4 Mixed_NW_Euro
2.0 Brahui
0.4 Ethiopians
0.4 Saudis

If we disregard the East African noise, your husband is 100% Caucasoid! :cool:

[Laly]

Here is how he compares with other TheApricity members:

Distance to: Laly_husband(walloon)

2.89143563 yowasgeht_mom(RussiaGerman)
3.78688526 Pendragon(french_nw)
4.60153235 Inf99MGma(usa)
4.70139341 Mr.G_mother(german)
4.74260477 Shuffle(german_south)
4.78635561 Skeleton(White_American)
4.82883009 Frizzlefry(white_american)
4.86677511 jtoml3(white_New_Zealander)
5.03271299 Calpalsister(British+French+Ukrainian)
5.22858489 Jingorex(white_american)
5.24401564 Grundig(German_American)
5.27923290 Norb(english)
5.30102820 Egyvalaki(Hungarian)
5.31593830 InfamousAngel99(amerimutt)
5.38416196 Jackson(english)
5.41006469 Lawalye(belgian)
5.68697635 Tchek(belgian)
5.93123090 Morticia(American)
5.98400368 Nyx(french_canadian)
6.05920787 GötterfunkeDad(German+Dutch)
6.15635444 Rædwald(English/French_Canadian)
6.20830895 Rudel(French)
6.28719333 Mr.G(hungarian/german)
6.35238538 acbrasil(white_brazilian)
6.41304920 Armatus(West_German)

Target: Laly_husband(walloon)
Distance: 0.8470% / 0.84702603 | ADC: 0.5x

50.6 yowasgeht_mom(RussiaGerman)
27.2 Pendragon(french_nw)
11.8 Tchek(belgian)
5.6 Frizzlefry(white_american)
4.8 Norb(english)

Target: Laly_husband(walloon)
Distance: 0.6150% / 0.61500115 | ADC: 0.25x

40.6 yowasgeht_mom(RussiaGerman)
25.6 Pendragon(french_nw)
13.8 Frizzlefry(white_american)
6.6 Nyx(french_canadian)
6.4 Tchek(belgian)
5.6 Norb(english)
1.4 RyoHazuki(English+French)

Very funny :)

[Leto]

Very interesting! Thank you for sharing this!

Your father has ancestors from French Polynesia too? Why do they have Sub-Saharan? Is it present in many European populations? I have to say I don't really like to see that, but maybe I have more Sub-Saharan than them...
In DNA testing there is such a thing called 'background noise'. Those are usually small amounts of DNA which were misread or wrongly assigned in the process. Typically stuff that is at 1 percent or below can be disregarded as noise, especially if it's something extraordinary like Oceanian, Amerindian or Sub-Saharan in Western or Northern Europe for example. Gedmatch calculators are especially noisy.

[Peterski]

(...)

His similarity map to European populations based on K36 results:

https://i.imgur.com/E0tbXhp.png

[Laly]

In DNA testing there is such a thing called 'background noise'. Those are usually small amounts of DNA which were misread or wrongly assigned in the process. Typically stuff that is at 1 percent or below can be disregarded as noise, especially if it's something extraordinary like Oceanian, Amerindian or Sub-Saharan in Western or Northern Europe for example. Gedmatch calculators are especially noisy.

Thank you very much for your explanations! :)

[Peterski]

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 75.8% French + 24.2% North_Swedish @ 1.83
2 59.6% Norwegian + 40.4% North_Italian @ 2.01
3 81.2% French + 18.8% Southwest_Finnish@ 2.06
4 64.5% Danish + 35.5% North_Italian @ 2.09
5 61% North_German + 39% Portuguese @ 2.11
6 95.7% South_Dutch + 4.3% Tunisian @ 2.14
(...)

He is a bit Eastern-shifted / NE-shifted (81% French + 19% Southwest Finnish indicates this, for example).

North Swedes have North-Eastern European admixture too, they are not so different from Southwest Finns.

[Laly]

His similarity map to European populations based on K36 results:



Thank you very much!:)

[Leto]

His K36 map makes perfect sense too (Southwest Germany, East and North France and Belgium as the strongest regions).

[Peterski]

He is a bit southern-shifted compared to Walloon average too, hence Switzerland. Closest top 4 populations:

[1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
1. CH_Switzerland-German
0.5732827
2. BE_Wallonia
0.6325567
3. NL_Noord-Brabant
0.6352803
4. FR_Nord-Pas-de-Calais
0.6675148
(...)

Then next come Alsatians and Flemish people, regions along French-German border and in Northern France.

[Jana]

He is a bit southern-shifted compared to Walloon average too, hence Switzerland. Closest top 4 populations:

[1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
1. CH_Switzerland-German
0.5732827
2. BE_Wallonia
0.6325567
3. NL_Noord-Brabant
0.6352803
4. FR_Nord-Pas-de-Calais
0.6675148
(...)

Then next come Alsatians and Flemish people.

Are Walloons more northern shifted than Swiss Germans on average?

[Leto]

He is a bit southern-shifted compared to Walloon average too, hence Switzerland. Closest top 4 populations:

[1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
1. CH_Switzerland-German
0.5732827
2. BE_Wallonia
0.6325567
3. NL_Noord-Brabant
0.6352803
4. FR_Nord-Pas-de-Calais
0.6675148
(...)

Then next come Alsatians and Flemish people, regions along French-German border and in Northern France.
I guess it doesn't matter much where in Wallonia he is from, does it? That's a small region after all (16,901 km2 which is smaller than North Macedonia).

[Leto]

Are Walloons more northern shifted than Swiss Germans on average?
Obiously Switzerland is much more Southern than Belgium, they aren't even neighbors.

[Jana]

Obiously Switzerland is much more Southern than Belgium, they aren't even neighbors.

I doubt, especially Swiss Germans being "much more southern". I imagine them being very similar.

[Peterski]

When using my regional French Eurogenes K15 averages in Vahaduo:

FRA_Belgica is similar to Walloons (obviously)
FRA_Alsace is very similar to Swiss Germans

https://i.imgur.com/WwtEH3E.png

Sources:


FRA_Central,27.42,27.40,8.88,6.00,16.19,3.94,6.84, 1.52,0.33,0.15,0.21,0.29,0.25,0.38,0.19
FRA_Provence_South,21.54,24.19,7.16,4.53,18.02,6.1 3,14.18,2.51,0.30,0.18,0.19,0.24,0.24,0.44,0.15
FRA_Provence_North,27.71,24.52,8.57,5.77,17.53,4.7 9,7.12,1.96,0.18,0.34,0.08,0.06,0.39,0.50,0.48
FRA_Alsace,28.49,24.36,12.31,7.12,12.76,5.91,6.23, 1.50,0.20,0.31,0.14,0.20,0.14,0.13,0.19
FRA_Armorica,33.63,28.77,9.43,8.78,10.92,3.51,2.23 ,0.79,0.81,0.15,0.14,0.39,0.18,0.15,0.12
FRA_Belgica,30.06,25.90,9.94,7.14,13.16,4.86,5.19, 1.51,0.65,0.21,0.22,0.33,0.20,0.26,0.38
FRA_Septimania,23.44,30.07,6.86,5.00,20.86,2.32,7. 92,1.58,0.42,0.08,0.14,0.41,0.38,0.36,0.15
FRA_Aquitania,20.30,39.32,4.81,2.49,24.29,0.77,4.4 4,1.91,0.45,0.30,0.23,0.20,0.21,0.17,0.13

Target:


LalyHusbandK15,28.14,27.10,10.84,9.23,11.79,2.11,7 .78,1.68,0.56,0,0,0.20,0,0.52,0.05

Single Distances:

https://i.imgur.com/d2rPr67.png

Mixed Modes with various levels of ADC:

https://i.imgur.com/doxjVGP.png

Languedoc = Septimania

[Leto]

I doubt, especially Swiss Germans being "much more southern". I imagine them being very similar.
Switzerland IS more Southern
https://www.whatphone.net/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/Netherlands-Belgium-Luxembourg-France-Switzerland-Monaco.png
Yes, they might be similar to Swiss Germans. Or even Rheinland-Pfalz.

[Peterski]

I doubt, especially Swiss Germans being "much more southern". I imagine them being very similar.

Not much, but a little bit. It seems River Rhine was a "highway" that made all populations living along the Rhine very similar to each other.

Check my K15 averages above (Alsace is very much like Swiss Germans; I also posted actual Swiss German average somewhere as well):

Let's check their North Sea levels:

FRA_Belgica,30.06
FRA_Alsace,28.49

So Belgica is a bit more northern.

Edit:

And my K15 Swiss German average:


Swiss_German,29.02,24.29,11.25,7.06,13.51,5.61,7.4 0,1.10,0.15,0.01,0.10,0.21,0.17,0.07,0.04

[Tchek]

I doubt, especially Swiss Germans being "much more southern". I imagine them being very similar.

Yes, in my case, I'm similar to Swiss Germans.
French Swiss on the other hand are much more southern.

[Peterski]

Yes, in my case, I'm similar to Swiss Germans.

What are your K15 admixture percentages?

Swiss Germans have on average 29% North Sea in K15, Alsatians 28.5%, Walloons closer to 30%, a bit more northern-shifted.

[Jana]

Switzerland IS more Southern
https://www.whatphone.net/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/Netherlands-Belgium-Luxembourg-France-Switzerland-Monaco.png
Yes, they might be similar to Swiss Germans. Or even Rheinland-Pfalz.

I know geographically, but so is northern Italy in comparison with Bosnia and it's much more Med.
You'd expect Germanic speakers in Switzerland have bit extra northern input compared to Romance speaking Swiss which would compensate for fact Walloons are situated more north.

Differences are really small anyway. Both are typical western Europeans.

[Peterski]

Distances based on K15 with Swiss German average added:


Swiss_German,29.02,24.29,11.25,7.06,13.51,5.61,7.4 0,1.10,0.15,0.01,0.10,0.21,0.17,0.07,0.04
FRA_Central,27.42,27.40,8.88,6.00,16.19,3.94,6.84, 1.52,0.33,0.15,0.21,0.29,0.25,0.38,0.19
FRA_Provence_South,21.54,24.19,7.16,4.53,18.02,6.1 3,14.18,2.51,0.30,0.18,0.19,0.24,0.24,0.44,0.15
FRA_Provence_North,27.71,24.52,8.57,5.77,17.53,4.7 9,7.12,1.96,0.18,0.34,0.08,0.06,0.39,0.50,0.48
FRA_Alsace,28.49,24.36,12.31,7.12,12.76,5.91,6.23, 1.50,0.20,0.31,0.14,0.20,0.14,0.13,0.19
FRA_Armorica,33.63,28.77,9.43,8.78,10.92,3.51,2.23 ,0.79,0.81,0.15,0.14,0.39,0.18,0.15,0.12
FRA_Belgica,30.06,25.90,9.94,7.14,13.16,4.86,5.19, 1.51,0.65,0.21,0.22,0.33,0.20,0.26,0.38
FRA_Septimania,23.44,30.07,6.86,5.00,20.86,2.32,7. 92,1.58,0.42,0.08,0.14,0.41,0.38,0.36,0.15
FRA_Aquitania,20.30,39.32,4.81,2.49,24.29,0.77,4.4 4,1.91,0.45,0.30,0.23,0.20,0.21,0.17,0.13

https://i.imgur.com/kevDSXk.png


Switzerland IS more Southern
https://www.whatphone.net/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/Netherlands-Belgium-Luxembourg-France-Switzerland-Monaco.png
Yes, they might be similar to Swiss Germans. Or even Rheinland-Pfalz.

Genetically there is a lot of overlap & similarity between populations living along the Rhine, from Switzerland to South Dutch:

https://i.imgur.com/ECmrnSU.png

Edit:

Especially populations living to the west of the Rhine. Which was the Roman Empire's eastern border for a long time, after all.

[Tchek]

What are your K15 admixture percentages?

Swiss Germans have on average 29% North Sea in K15, Alsatians 28.5%, Walloons closer to 30%, a bit more northern-shifted.
I'm only 26.5% North Sea, (I think I have relatively high Atlantic at 31%) I often have Swiss German on oracles tho... sometimes in first place.
I'm also a bit more southern-shifted than Laly's husband. I'm a bit more southern-shifted than any Walloons' results I have seen, must be because my grandmother is of French origin.

EDIT: I wouldn't say "southern-shifted", but rather "Continental-shifted" because I think the real schism is Sea vs Continent, not North vs South.

[Peterski]

BTW this is "Belgium" average in K15 Vahaduo (not sure who added it, because it is not in the original GEDmatch version):


Belgium,32.68,27.36,9.52,7.25,10.65,5.06,5.22,0.60 ,0.64,0.07,0.13,0.11,0.22,0.32,0.15

^^^
Almost 33% North Sea, so probablt it is based mostly on Flemish samples. And much more northern than Swiss Germans.

[Peterski]

I'm only 26.5% North Sea, (I think I have relatively high Atlantic at 31%) I often have Swiss German on oracles tho... sometimes in first place.
I'm also a bit more southern-shifted than Laly's husband. I'm a bit more southern-shifted than any Walloons' results I have seen, must be because my grandmother is of French origin.

Depends from which region of France?

Northern France is not much different than Wallonia, so a Northern French grandmother would not make much difference.

Breton DNA would even shift you north.


(I think I have relatively high Atlantic at 31%)

Yes looks like some SW French admixture.

[Tchek]

Depends from which region of France?

Northern France is not much different than Wallonia, so a Northern French grandmother would not make much difference.

Breton DNA would even shift you north.

I don't where she was from... but if I had to take a guess I would say anywhere in eastern France from Lorraine to Savoy, because it seems that's where I'm pushing toward in all PCA's (I even get Rhone-Alpes on 23andme)

[Peterski]

(I even get Rhone-Alpes on 23andme)

Or Auvergne. It seems they don't distinguish the two.

So it could be some ancestry from South-Western or Southern Auvergne for example (which could already have high "Atlantic" in K15).

BTW Rhone-Alpes is not too different from Aosta Valley.

[Peterski]

I mean the screenshot in your signature says "Auvergne - Rhone-Alpes".

I would say Auvergne is more likely based on so high Atlantic in K15 (31%).

Atlantic peaks in SW France, not in SE France. 31% is high even for Auvergne.

[Peterski]

Not sure who made "Belgium" average in Vahaduo K15 updated, but obviously it is not representative for Belgians:

(looks like someone cherry-picked north-shifted samples for this average, and now real Belgians are not close to it)

https://i.imgur.com/78YXNUd.png

[Laly]

The exact same number as MyHeritage and FTDNA give today.

I see.


Which provinces of Wallonia?

He is from Hainaut province:

https://portail.hainaut.be/sites/default/files/styles/panopoly_image_full/public/medias/belgiumhainaut.png?itok=MF0Yiw-3

More specifically from the Botte du Hainaut (Hainaut Boot) :):

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/62/ZP_5334_-_Zone_de_Police_Botte_du_Hainaut.GIF/600px-ZP_5334_-_Zone_de_Police_Botte_du_Hainaut.GIF

It's beautiful there.

Do you know the region?

[Alenka]

It seems you basically purchased FTDNA through a middleman.
Glad to see you got the raw data afterall though.
GEDmatch results make sense for a Walloon.

[Laly]

Thank you so much Peterski for all the interesting information you provided!

I wonder, is there data on Luxembourgish people? Are there means of comparison with them?

[Graham]

Have noticed a cluster on the G25, K13 etc.. Alsace, West Germany, Northern France, Belgium, South Dutch. Brittany has some shared likeness to Britain funnily enough. North Dutch towards Scandinavians.

There are Brits who tend to overlap it all. So why you might see weird scores like the first post.

Don't worry about other posts saying duped etc.. you have to start somewhere and getting the raw data is a win.



I was finally given access to his raw data files. Your comments are really welcome, as I am so ignorant in matters of genetics.

Eurogenes K13 Oracle results:
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[Lucas]

I wonder, is there data on Luxembourgish people? Are there means of comparison with them?

On my K36 Correspondence Analysis Plot he is here (b1). Close to Hauts de France average and not so far from Luxembourg. And shifted south from Walloon average.

https://i.imgur.com/Mk1bWdn.png

Swiss_German is light green dot but name is long so appear more on the left.

[Leto]

I see.



He is from Hainaut province:

[img]https://portail.hainaut.be/sites/default/files/styles/panopoly_image_full/public/medias/belgiumhainaut.png?itok=MF0Yiw-3

More specifically from the Botte du Hainaut (Hainaut Boot) :):

[img]https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/62/ZP_5334_-_Zone_de_Police_Botte_du_Hainaut.GIF/600px-ZP_5334_-_Zone_de_Police_Botte_du_Hainaut.GIF

It's beautiful there.

Do you know the region?
Not familiar with it but looking at the map I would guess it's similar to Hauts de France. I once posted Gedmatch results from there (the person was also like 1/4 West Flemish).

[dududud]

Have noticed a cluster on the G25, K13 etc.. Alsace, West Germany, Northern France, Belgium, South Dutch. Brittany has some shared likeness to Britain funnily enough. North Dutch towards Scandinavians.

There are Brits who tend to overlap it all. So why you might see weird scores like the first post.

Don't worry about other posts saying duped etc.. you have to start somewhere and getting the raw data is a win.

This is not entirely correct; it's known that indeed a part of the Bretons clusters towards Irish, but another part clusters towards the other French.

Moreover, if we take the French from the North-West (if we put aside the "Irish like" part of Brittany), they are much closer to the French from the center than to the English or the Dutch.

My father, on a PCA, are more close to Central French than to English or Dutch.

[dududud]

BTW this is "Belgium" average in K15 Vahaduo (not sure who added it, because it is not in the original GEDmatch version):


Belgium,32.68,27.36,9.52,7.25,10.65,5.06,5.22,0.60 ,0.64,0.07,0.13,0.11,0.22,0.32,0.15

^^^
Almost 33% North Sea, so probablt it is based mostly on Flemish samples. And much more northern than Swiss Germans.

You can add my father as a sample from the North of France to compare him to others. He's not Flemish.

NorthernFrog,31.96,33.98,6.17,4.35,12.77,2.90,5.08 ,0.32,0.00,1.39,0.00,0.00,0.55,0.00,0.52

[dududud]

Very interesting! Thank you for sharing this!

Your father has ancestors from French Polynesia too? Why do they have Sub-Saharan? Is it present in many European populations? I have to say I don't really like to see that, but maybe I have more Sub-Saharan than them...

I don't know, I have already seen other pure French who had a bit of Sub-Saharan (like 0,30/40/50) on Eurogene k13 and 15, maybe noise.

He is totally French, with no other origin than French over the past 700 years (genealogy). He's Picard, mostly.

[Leto]

For comparison: a Flemish kit which I happen to have (East Flanders and Antwerp)

Eurogenes K13 Oracle results:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 49.96
2 Baltic 22.87
3 West_Med 14.27
4 East_Med 5.07
5 Red_Sea 2.89
6 West_Asian 2.29
7 South_Asian 1.82
8 Northeast_African 0.66
9 Oceanian 0.07
10 Siberian 0.06

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Southeast_English 3.55
2 Southwest_English 4.24
3 Orcadian 4.95
4 West_Scottish 5.72
5 Irish 5.95
6 North_Dutch 6.06
7 Danish 6.3
8 South_Dutch 6.42
9 North_German 7.5
10 West_German 8.05
11 Norwegian 8.22
12 Swedish 10
13 French 10.6
14 Austrian 13.74
15 East_German 14.28
16 North_Swedish 15.2
17 Spanish_Cataluna 17.48
18 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 18.32
19 Hungarian 18.43
20 Southwest_French 18.52

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 95.9% Southwest_English + 4.1% Yemenite_Jewish @ 3.1
2 97.8% Southeast_English + 2.2% Ethiopian_Tigray @ 3.13
3 97.8% Southeast_English + 2.2% Ethiopian_Amhara @ 3.13
4 96.8% Southeast_English + 3.2% Moroccan @ 3.14
5 98.1% Southeast_English + 1.9% Somali @ 3.18
6 97.7% Southeast_English + 2.3% Saudi @ 3.18
7 95.9% Southwest_English + 4.1% Saudi @ 3.19
8 96.9% Southeast_English + 3.1% Algerian @ 3.2
9 97% Southeast_English + 3% Mozabite_Berber @ 3.2
10 98.2% Southeast_English + 1.8% Ethiopian_Oromo @ 3.23
11 97.2% Southeast_English + 2.8% Tunisian @ 3.24
12 79.1% Danish + 20.9% Spanish_Aragon @ 3.24
13 92.7% Southeast_English + 7.3% Spanish_Galicia @ 3.24
14 98.3% Southeast_English + 1.7% Ethiopian_Wolayta @ 3.26
15 98% Southeast_English + 2% Yemenite_Jewish @ 3.26
16 83.1% Orcadian + 16.9% Spanish_Galicia @ 3.26
17 80.1% North_Dutch + 19.9% Spanish_Aragon @ 3.3
18 93.4% Southeast_English + 6.6% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 3.31
19 83.1% Orcadian + 16.9% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 3.32
20 97.9% Southeast_English + 2.1% Egyptian @ 3.32

Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15 Oracle results:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Atlantic 34.03
2 North_Sea 29.46
3 Eastern_Euro 10.01
4 West_Med 9.8
5 Baltic 9.69
6 Red_Sea 2.57
7 East_Med 2.32
8 West_Asian 0.92
9 South_Asian 0.7
10 Northeast_African 0.51

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Southeast_English 7.18
2 South_Dutch 7.48
3 Southwest_English 7.5
4 Irish 7.92
5 West_Scottish 8.44
6 North_German 8.93
7 Danish 9.46
8 North_Dutch 10.29
9 French 10.49
10 Orcadian 10.73
11 West_German 12.42
12 Norwegian 13.73
13 East_German 13.93
14 West_Norwegian 14.78
15 Swedish 14.79
16 Spanish_Cataluna 15.16
17 Austrian 15.73
18 North_Swedish 15.87
19 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 16.09
20 Southwest_French 16.58

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 70.7% Danish + 29.3% French_Basque @ 3.61
2 74.3% West_Scottish + 25.7% French_Basque @ 4.3
3 72.9% North_German + 27.1% French_Basque @ 4.37
4 76.1% Irish + 23.9% French_Basque @ 4.39
5 69% West_Scottish + 31% Southwest_French @ 4.42
6 69.4% North_Dutch + 30.6% French_Basque @ 4.56
7 71.1% Irish + 28.9% Southwest_French @ 4.58
8 71.3% West_Scottish + 28.7% Spanish_Aragon @ 4.63
9 73.3% Irish + 26.7% Spanish_Aragon @ 4.7
10 79.4% Southeast_English + 20.6% French_Basque @ 4.71
11 58% North_Swedish + 42% French_Basque @ 4.8
12 71.4% West_Scottish + 28.6% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 4.83
13 73.4% Irish + 26.6% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 4.87
14 71.4% West_Scottish + 28.6% Spanish_Valencia @ 4.88
15 73.5% Irish + 26.5% Spanish_Valencia @ 4.95
16 68.4% Danish + 31.6% Spanish_Aragon @ 4.98
17 61.9% Norwegian + 38.1% French_Basque @ 4.98
18 59.9% Swedish + 40.1% French_Basque @ 4.99
19 66.3% Danish + 33.7% Southwest_French @ 5.01
20 70.2% West_Scottish + 29.8% Spanish_Cantabria @ 5.02

Population
Amerindian -
Arabian 0.37 Pct
Armenian -
Basque 3.33 Pct
Central_African -
Central_Euro 4.19 Pct
East_African -
East_Asian -
East_Balkan 2.32 Pct
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro 7.65 Pct
East_Med -
Eastern_Euro 3.79 Pct
Fennoscandian 8.33 Pct
French 8.50 Pct
Iberian 17.98 Pct
Indo-Chinese -
Italian 11.23 Pct
Malayan -
Near_Eastern -
North_African 0.23 Pct
North_Atlantic 14.47 Pct
North_Caucasian 0.68 Pct
North_Sea 15.91 Pct
Northeast_African -
Oceanian -
Omotic -
Pygmy -
Siberian -
South_Asian -
South_Central_Asian -
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural 0.13 Pct
West_African -
West_Caucasian -
West_Med 0.90 Pct

[Laly]

For comparison: a Flemish kit which I happen to have (East Flanders and Antwerp)



Thank you for sharing! What do you conclude when comparing the results?

[Graham]

This is not entirely correct; it's known that indeed a part of the Bretons clusters towards Irish, but another part clusters towards the other French.

Moreover, if we take the French from the North-West (if we put aside the "Irish like" part of Brittany), they are much closer to the French from the center than to the English or the Dutch.

My father, on a PCA, are more close to Central French than to English or Dutch.

Not entirely correct yeah, but there is a connection there. Picking out the first 35 in the list. Top 3 close populations. Like 3 quarters have Britain or Ireland at the top.


https://i.postimg.cc/4y1RgnJC/image.png

[PaleoEuropean]

I don't know, I have already seen other pure French who had a bit of Sub-Saharan (like 0,30/40/50) on Eurogene k13 and 15, maybe noise.

He is totally French, with no other origin than French over the past 700 years (genealogy). He's Picard, mostly.

I said this in a different thread, it could be archaic human or a mix of noise. If you look at the spreadsheets on calculators a bunch of pure Europeans have upwards to 0.60 percent African.

[Scandal]

...g]

I have seen westerners look similar to him. You look more eastern.

[Tchek]

Thank you for sharing! What do you conclude when comparing the results?

Quite similar, but West-Flemish/Antwerpers lean a bit more toward the British, while your husband lean more toward West-Germans (but very slightly, only due to lower North-atlantic, the Flemish sample is 49 which is British level, while your husband (42) is more at french/german level, and I'm in inbetween at 44)

[Laly]

You can add my father as a sample from the North of France to compare him to others. He's not Flemish.

NorthernFrog,31.96,33.98,6.17,4.35,12.77,2.90,5.08 ,0.32,0.00,1.39,0.00,0.00,0.55,0.00,0.52

Your father is a Picard from Courcelles-lès-Lens? The Picards are indeed very close to the Waloons and the Walloon variety spoken in my husband's region is actually Wallo-Picard.

[Jana]

Laly, did you try these links I posted to extract your husband paternal haplogroup?

[Token]

Not sure who made "Belgium" average in Vahaduo K15 updated, but obviously it is not representative for Belgians:

(looks like someone cherry-picked north-shifted samples for this average, and now real Belgians are not close to it)

https://i.imgur.com/78YXNUd.png

There is a considerable difference between Germanic-speaking Flemish and Romance-speaking Walloons. Belgian, like Swiss, is a meaningless term.

[Laly]

Laly, did you try these links I posted to extract your husband paternal haplogroup?

Dear Stearsolina, I have tried again to use the two websites you referred to, but it didn't work when I entered the file. And on the the second website, I really don't know what to put when asked to "enter SNPs". So I don't know how I could know his haplogroup(s)...

[Jana]

Dear Stearsolina, I have tried again to use the two websites you referred to, but it didn't work when I entered the file. And on the the second website, I really don't know what to put when asked to "enter SNPs". So I don't know how I could know his haplogroup(s)...

Go to second option, (2), file upload and than browse his raw data file.

[Laly]

Go to second option, (2), file upload and than browse his raw data file.

Thanks for the help, but it doesn't work. I always get that: "Error: Neither VCF nor ASCII file found in uploaded file / root directory of uploaded archive".

[Jana]

Thanks for the help, but it doesn't work. I always get that: "Error: Neither VCF nor ASCII file found in uploaded file / root directory of uploaded archive".

Yes, it seems raw data provided to you does not contain Y dna information. If you really are interested, you can always purchase separate haplogroup test from yseq or FTDNA.

[Laly]

Yes, it seems raw data provided to you does not contain Y dna information. If you really are interested, you can always purchase separate haplogroup test from yseq or FTDNA.

Interesting! Do other companies provide automatically that data?

[Laly]

Quite similar, but West-Flemish/Antwerpers lean a bit more toward the British, while your husband lean more toward West-Germans (but very slightly, only due to lower North-atlantic, the Flemish sample is 49 which is British level, while your husband (42) is more at french/german level, and I'm in inbetween at 44)

May I know where you find these figures "49", "42", "44"?

I still don't understand anything...

[Dr_Maul]

Interesting! Do other companies provide automatically that data?

23andMe provides Mtdna as well as Y DNA. However sometimes it will not tell you the exact sublclade and you will need a separate test for that.

[Jana]

Interesting! Do other companies provide automatically that data?

From autosomal test by MyHeritage and AncestryDNA basic Y haplogroup can be extracted by this method I showed you.
23andme provides both Ydna and mtdna information included in autosomal test.

[Tchek]

May I know where you find these figures "49", "42", "44"?

I still don't understand anything...

It's the North-Atlantic in the K13 results...

Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 42.89
2 Baltic 22.49
3 West_Med 16.15
4 East_Med 9.33
5 West_Asian 4.52
6 Red_Sea 1.87
7 South_Asian 1.28
8 Amerindian 0.72
9 Northeast_African 0.66
10 Sub-Saharan 0.09

It's no big deal... i just highlighted this figure because it's the one a bit different (closer to continentals like Germans) compared to the West-Flemish sample (who are more British-like).
Your husband has really north-western European results on the K13 calculator which is normal.

[dududud]

Your father is a Picard from Courcelles-lès-Lens? The Picards are indeed very close to the Waloons and the Walloon variety spoken in my husband's region is actually Wallo-Picard.

No.

My maternal grandmother was mostly from Courcelles-lès-Lens.

My father is a "mix": paternal side >>> Gouy-Saint-André, Bruille-Saint-Amand, distant Taintignies (one of his ancestors left Taintignies to settle in Bruille-Saint-Amand, around the middle of the 19th century) ; maternal side >>> Solesmes, Douai, Vertain, Vitry-en-Artois.

[Leto]

Dandelion's results, he is Flemish from Antwerp, I believe

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 46.33
2 Baltic 26.35
3 West_Med 13.73
4 West_Asian 5.74
5 East_Med 3.21
6 Red_Sea 1.18
7 East_Asian 1.16
8 Oceanian 0.95
9 Amerindian 0.75
10 Northeast_African 0.6

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 North_German 4.12
2 North_Dutch 4.55
3 Danish 5.01
4 Orcadian 5.27
5 Southeast_English 5.31
6 South_Dutch 6.03
7 Irish 6.13
8 Norwegian 6.18
9 Southwest_English 6.56
10 Swedish 6.57
11 West_German 6.66
12 West_Scottish 7.01
13 Austrian 9.83
14 East_German 10.03
15 North_Swedish 11.51
16 French 11.93
17 Hungarian 14.54
18 Southwest_Finnish 18.85
19 Spanish_Cataluna 19.36
20 Croatian 19.6

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 77.4% Southwest_English + 22.6% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 1.72
2 80.7% Southwest_English + 19.3% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 1.76
3 78% Southwest_English + 22% Ukrainian @ 1.84
4 80.7% Southwest_English + 19.3% Southwest_Russian @ 1.87
5 78% Swedish + 22% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 1.89
6 79.3% Swedish + 20.7% Spanish_Andalucia @ 1.89
7 75.9% Southwest_English + 24.1% South_Polish @ 1.91
8 78.2% Swedish + 21.8% Spanish_Extremadura @ 2.01
9 76.9% Swedish + 23.1% Spanish_Cantabria @ 2.01
10 74.4% West_Scottish + 25.6% Croatian @ 2.03
11 76.5% Swedish + 23.5% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 2.03
12 75.5% Swedish + 24.5% Spanish_Cataluna @ 2.06
13 78% Southwest_English + 22% Polish @ 2.07
14 77.2% Irish + 22.8% Croatian @ 2.07
15 62.5% Irish + 37.5% Austrian @ 2.09
16 80.5% Southwest_English + 19.5% Russian_Smolensk @ 2.12
17 63% Irish + 37% East_German @ 2.13
18 78% Swedish + 22% Spanish_Murcia @ 2.14
19 80.2% Orcadian + 19.8% Croatian @ 2.15
20 76.8% Swedish + 23.2% Portuguese @ 2.15


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_European 44.61
2 Atlantic_Med 35.39
3 Gedrosia 9.5
4 Caucasus 7.18
5 Northwest_African 2.31
6 Southwest_Asian 0.67
7 Southeast_Asian 0.27
8 East_Asian 0.07

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) 3.82
2 Dutch (Dodecad) 4.69
3 German (Dodecad) 5.55
4 CEU30 (1000Genomes) 7.02
5 English (Dodecad) 7.24
6 Kent (1000Genomes) 7.26
7 British_Isles (Dodecad) 8.34
8 Argyll (1000Genomes) 8.98
9 Orkney (1000Genomes) 9.4
10 British (Dodecad) 9.63
11 Cornwall (1000Genomes) 9.67
12 Orcadian (HGDP) 9.71
13 Irish (Dodecad) 9.77
14 French (Dodecad) 11.01
15 Norwegian (Dodecad) 11.52
16 French (HGDP) 11.68
17 Swedish (Dodecad) 12.89
18 Hungarians (Behar) 13.1
19 Polish (Dodecad) 23.86
20 Cataluna (1000Genomes) 23.97

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 81.6% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) + 18.4% Hungarians (Behar) @ 2.49
2 63.5% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) + 36.5% German (Dodecad) @ 2.56
3 90.5% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) + 9.5% Ukranians (Yunusbayev) @ 2.57
4 91.6% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) + 8.4% Mordovians (Yunusbayev) @ 2.62
5 91.8% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) + 8.2% Russian_B (Behar) @ 2.65
6 90.8% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) + 9.2% Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) @ 2.68
7 92% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) + 8% Russian (HGDP) @ 2.73
8 93.6% Dutch (Dodecad) + 6.4% Chechens (Yunusbayev) @ 2.74
9 94.1% Dutch (Dodecad) + 5.9% North_Ossetians (Yunusbayev) @ 2.75
10 94% Dutch (Dodecad) + 6% Balkars (Yunusbayev) @ 2.76
11 97.5% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) + 2.5% Mozabite (HGDP) @ 2.77
12 91.9% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) + 8.1% Belorussian (Behar) @ 2.78
13 90.1% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) + 9.9% Polish (Dodecad) @ 2.79
14 94% Dutch (Dodecad) + 6% Adygei (HGDP) @ 2.79
15 93.3% Dutch (Dodecad) + 6.7% Kumyks (Yunusbayev) @ 2.8
16 60% Argyll (1000Genomes) + 40% Hungarians (Behar) @ 2.84
17 92.8% Dutch (Dodecad) + 7.2% Nogais (Yunusbayev) @ 2.84
18 93.5% Dutch (Dodecad) + 6.5% Lezgins (Behar) @ 2.85
19 93.4% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) + 6.6% Chuvashs (Behar) @ 2.87
20 87.5% Dutch (Dodecad) + 12.5% Bulgarian (Dodecad) @ 2.88

[aherne]

Your husband looks like a Russian Jew and you look Amerindian mainly