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J. Ketch

09-05-2020, 03:15 PM

From some I've collected

Yorkshire
K13

Yorkshire,50.72,23.82,12.88,5.7,3.31,0.65,1.27,0.0 4,0.08,0.60,0.78,0.14,0.02

Original

Distance to: Yorkshire
1.83934771 Orcadian
2.57592702 Southeast_English
2.64263126 Irish
3.10069347 West_Scottish
3.30243849 North_Dutch
3.31392517 Southwest_English
3.91889015 Danish
5.92016892 North_German
6.01257017 Norwegian
8.18226741 South_Dutch
8.73010882 Swedish
9.59573864 West_German
14.31577452 French
15.66910655 North_Swedish
15.82150435 Austrian
16.20347185 East_German
21.22802864 Hungarian
22.26297599 Spanish_Cataluna
23.22298000 Southwest_French
23.54282693 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
23.83674894 Spanish_Cantabria
23.86981148 Spanish_Galicia
24.30430826 Portuguese
24.75707374 Southwest_Finnish
25.41592217 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha

Updated

Distance to: Yorkshire
1.23935467 English
1.29023254 English_North
1.72151096 English_Midlands
1.83934771 Orcadian
2.57592702 Southeast_English
2.64263126 Irish
3.08583862 Scottish
3.10069347 West_Scottish
3.31392517 Southwest_English
3.55287208 North-Dutch
3.99967499 FRA_Armorica
4.76278280 Welsh
5.70493646 Danish
5.79030224 Denmark
5.92016892 North_German
6.01257017 Norwegian
6.35725570 German_West
6.36789604 Norway_South_Central
6.54783170 Sweden_Götaland
8.00852671 Sweden_Svealand_West
8.18226741 South_Dutch
8.46591991 Swedish
9.59573864 West_German
10.59042020 FRA_Belgica
12.20320040 Sweden_Svealand_East

K15

Yorkshire,37.7,27.47,10.22,8.79,9.09,3.79,0.78,0.3 0,0.91,0,0,0.25,0.51,0.10,0.02

Original

Distance to: Yorkshire
3.33568584 North_Dutch
3.54892942 Orcadian
3.76531539 Southeast_English
3.86892750 Southwest_English
3.99667362 West_Scottish
4.30827111 Danish
4.31994213 Irish
6.85604842 Norwegian
6.86514384 North_German
7.28140783 West_Norwegian
8.75459879 Swedish
9.08200418 South_Dutch
9.11523450 West_German
12.41864727 North_Swedish
13.62078192 French
15.67614430 East_German
18.63935621 Southwest_Finnish
21.08664506 Austrian
21.12371653 Hungarian
22.10487050 Finnish
22.44425093 Spanish_Galicia
22.61915560 Spanish_Cataluna
23.84544401 Portuguese
24.05898793 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
25.28504301 Spanish_Cantabria

Updated

Distance to: Yorkshire
1.14756263 English_Midlands
1.19478031 English_North
1.68686099 Welsh
1.92486363 Dutch
2.40206161 England
2.54648778 Scotland
3.33568584 North_Dutch
3.54892942 Orcadian
3.76531539 Southeast_English
3.86892750 Southwest_English
3.99667362 West_Scottish
4.31994213 Irish
4.98418499 FRA_Armorica
5.39593365 Danish
6.64173923 Norway
6.85604842 Norwegian
6.86514384 North_German
7.22411932 Belgium
7.28140783 West_Norwegian
7.34296943 Swedish
8.79052331 North_Swedish
9.08200418 South_Dutch
9.11523450 West_German
10.13287718 FRA_Belgica
11.42937444 German_Bavarian

Northwest England (mostly Lancashire)
K13

NW_England,50.43,24.93,11.92,5.93,2.56,0.74,1.35,0 .26,0.13,0.81,0.29,0.33,0.25

Original

Distance to: NW_England
1.94489074 Orcadian
2.04570281 North_Dutch
2.44038931 Irish
2.66685208 Danish
3.37029672 West_Scottish
4.04363698 Southeast_English
4.50222167 Norwegian
4.73188123 Southwest_English
4.85693319 North_German
7.20648319 Swedish
8.98769715 South_Dutch
10.22692525 West_German
14.30082865 North_Swedish
15.50114834 French
15.54861409 Austrian
15.69848719 East_German
20.83865159 Hungarian
23.48997871 Southwest_Finnish
23.64777157 Spanish_Cataluna
24.57453967 Southwest_French
24.88602218 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
25.09349119 Spanish_Galicia
25.22445639 Spanish_Cantabria
25.57259080 Portuguese
26.44537578 South_Polish

Updated

Distance to: NW_England
1.52187384 English_North
1.94489074 Orcadian
2.22867674 English
2.25957961 North-Dutch
2.44038931 Irish
2.82634039 English_Midlands
3.37029672 West_Scottish
3.38177468 Scottish
4.04363698 Southeast_English
4.32043979 Denmark
4.50222167 Norwegian
4.60413944 Danish
4.73188123 Southwest_English
4.85693319 North_German
4.91405128 Norway_South_Central
5.09186606 Sweden_Götaland
5.26273693 FRA_Armorica
5.46784235 Welsh
6.35972484 German_West
6.57906528 Sweden_Svealand_West
7.12395957 Swedish
8.98769715 South_Dutch
10.22692525 West_German
10.78573595 Sweden_Svealand_East
11.54012998 FRA_Belgica

K15

NW_England,36.44,28.59,11.62,8.72,7.49,3.85,0.59,0 .40,0.91,0.11,0.06,0.58,0.14,0.31,0.14

Original

Distance to: NW_England
2.46736702 Irish
2.51765764 North_Dutch
2.80389015 West_Scottish
3.07961036 Danish
3.37564809 Southeast_English
4.51115285 Orcadian
4.62491081 Southwest_English
5.00205958 North_German
7.18716912 Norwegian
8.02547818 West_Norwegian
8.50078820 Swedish
8.90877096 South_Dutch
10.06726875 West_German
11.94384360 North_Swedish
14.13711074 French
14.87862561 East_German
17.34993372 Southwest_Finnish
19.94816784 Austrian
20.44456896 Hungarian
21.07589856 Finnish
22.86497759 Spanish_Cataluna
23.07159292 Spanish_Galicia
24.09981328 La_Brana-1
24.17776871 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
24.32434172 Portuguese

Distance to: NW_England
2.19392343 English_North
2.25377461 Dutch
2.43973359 England
2.46736702 Irish
2.51765764 North_Dutch
2.80389015 West_Scottish
3.01132861 Welsh
3.08804145 Scotland
3.11382402 English_Midlands
3.37564809 Southeast_English
4.51115285 Orcadian
4.62491081 Southwest_English
5.00205958 North_German
5.09581201 Danish
5.24710396 FRA_Armorica
6.78774631 Norway
7.00409880 Swedish
7.18716912 Norwegian
7.44680468 Belgium
8.02547818 West_Norwegian
8.48292992 North_Swedish
8.90877096 South_Dutch
10.06726875 West_German
10.44269122 FRA_Belgica
11.09408852 German_Bavarian

J. Ketch

09-05-2020, 03:32 PM

Individual Gedmatch results from NW England

K15

NW England1

# Population Percent
1 North_Sea 37.58
2 Atlantic 24.91
3 Eastern_Euro 12.63
4 Baltic 10.17
5 West_Med 7.09
6 West_Asian 5.2
7 South_Asian 1.4
8 Red_Sea 0.71
9 Sub-Saharan 0.3

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Danish 4.22
2 North_Dutch 4.47
3 Norwegian 4.73
4 West_Norwegian 5.77
5 Orcadian 5.92
6 West_Scottish 6.16
7 North_German 6.2
8 Swedish 6.4
9 Southeast_English 6.68
10 Irish 6.74
11 Southwest_English 7.08
12 North_Swedish 8.25
13 West_German 8.61
14 South_Dutch 9.25
15 East_German 12.55
16 French 13.81
17 Southwest_Finnish 14.19
18 Finnish 17.02
19 Hungarian 17.07
20 Austrian 17.42

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 85.9% Orcadian + 14.1% Erzya @ 3.12
2 84.6% Orcadian + 15.4% Kargopol_Russian @ 3.34
3 61.1% Orcadian + 38.9% North_Swedish @ 3.55
4 81.7% Orcadian + 18.3% East_Finnish @ 3.55
5 85% Orcadian + 15% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 3.57
6 85% Orcadian + 15% Southwest_Russian @ 3.64
7 58.7% Danish + 41.3% Norwegian @ 3.65
8 82.7% Orcadian + 17.3% Ukrainian @ 3.65
9 89.4% Orcadian + 10.6% Chuvash @ 3.77
10 83% Orcadian + 17% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 3.79
11 95.7% North_Dutch + 4.3% Kalash @ 3.79
12 96% Danish + 4% Tabassaran @ 3.79
13 94.2% North_Dutch + 5.8% Chuvash @ 3.79
14 78.5% Orcadian + 21.5% Finnish @ 3.79
15 68% Norwegian + 32% Southwest_English @ 3.81
16 82.5% Orcadian + 17.5% South_Polish @ 3.81
17 70.7% Danish + 29.3% West_Norwegian @ 3.82
18 66.1% West_Norwegian + 33.9% South_Dutch @ 3.82
19 75.2% Norwegian + 24.8% South_Dutch @ 3.82
20 96% North_Dutch + 4% Burusho @ 3.83

NW England2

# Population Percent
1 North_Sea 38.75
2 Atlantic 28.57
3 Baltic 12.9
4 West_Med 8.48
5 Eastern_Euro 6.62
6 Amerindian 1.53
7 West_Asian 1.51
8 South_Asian 0.85
9 Southeast_Asian 0.78

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 North_Dutch 4.35
2 Irish 4.35
3 West_Scottish 4.61
4 Orcadian 5.01
5 Southeast_English 5.28
6 Danish 5.58
7 Southwest_English 5.82
8 Norwegian 6.58
9 West_Norwegian 6.58
10 North_German 7.43
11 Swedish 7.63
12 South_Dutch 10.05
13 West_German 10.12
14 North_Swedish 11.43
15 French 13.84
16 East_German 14.68
17 Southwest_Finnish 16.54
18 Hungarian 19.18
19 Austrian 19.3
20 Finnish 19.67

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 68.9% Irish + 31.1% West_Norwegian @ 3.56
2 83.9% West_Norwegian + 16.1% French_Basque @ 3.57
3 70.5% Irish + 29.5% Norwegian @ 3.72
4 75.2% Irish + 24.8% Swedish @ 3.76
5 50.2% North_Dutch + 49.8% Irish @ 3.97
6 60.2% Southeast_English + 39.8% West_Norwegian @ 3.99
7 55.4% Southwest_English + 44.6% West_Norwegian @ 4.04
8 74.9% West_Scottish + 25.1% Swedish @ 4.06
9 70.5% West_Scottish + 29.5% West_Norwegian @ 4.07
10 66.3% North_Dutch + 33.7% Orcadian @ 4.09
11 71% West_Scottish + 29% Norwegian @ 4.1
12 59.8% North_Dutch + 40.2% West_Scottish @ 4.12
13 95.7% North_Dutch + 4.3% French_Basque @ 4.15
14 76.1% North_Dutch + 23.9% Southwest_English @ 4.16
15 91.8% Orcadian + 8.2% Lithuanian @ 4.17
16 69% Irish + 31% Orcadian @ 4.17
17 90.2% Irish + 9.8% North_Swedish @ 4.2
18 99.1% North_Dutch + 0.9% Karitiana @ 4.2
19 99% North_Dutch + 1% Mayan @ 4.21
20 74.8% North_Dutch + 25.2% Southeast_English @ 4.21

NW England3

# Population Percent
1 North_Sea 37.54
2 Atlantic 26.04
3 Baltic 12.5
4 West_Med 9.16
5 Eastern_Euro 6.71
6 South_Asian 2.41
7 Red_Sea 1.53
8 East_Med 1.15
9 Northeast_African 1.13
10 West_Asian 0.85
11 Sub-Saharan 0.49
12 Southeast_Asian 0.29
13 Oceanian 0.22

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 North_Dutch 4.62
2 Southwest_English 5.6
3 Danish 5.71
4 Southeast_English 5.71
5 Irish 5.78
6 West_Scottish 5.93
7 Orcadian 5.99
8 Norwegian 6.29
9 West_Norwegian 6.99
10 North_German 7.14
11 Swedish 7.19
12 West_German 8.07
13 South_Dutch 8.76
14 North_Swedish 10.73
15 French 12.16
16 East_German 13.27
17 Southwest_Finnish 15.9
18 Hungarian 17.45
19 Austrian 17.93
20 Finnish 18.79

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 77.4% West_Norwegian + 22.6% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 3.72
2 59.7% Southwest_English + 40.3% Swedish @ 3.79
3 79.1% West_Norwegian + 20.9% Spanish_Cantabria @ 3.94
4 80.7% West_Norwegian + 19.3% Spanish_Aragon @ 3.96
5 79.6% West_Norwegian + 20.4% Southwest_French @ 3.99
6 55.3% Southwest_English + 44.7% Norwegian @ 4
7 80.6% West_Norwegian + 19.4% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 4.04
8 89.4% North_Dutch + 10.6% Spanish_Galicia @ 4.05
9 76.7% West_Norwegian + 23.3% Spanish_Galicia @ 4.05
10 77.2% West_Norwegian + 22.8% Spanish_Cataluna @ 4.06
11 80.5% West_Norwegian + 19.5% Spanish_Valencia @ 4.08
12 81.7% West_Norwegian + 18.3% Spanish_Andalucia @ 4.09
13 78% West_Norwegian + 22% Portuguese @ 4.1
14 80.9% Norwegian + 19.1% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 4.1
15 79.4% West_Norwegian + 20.6% Spanish_Murcia @ 4.11
16 79.4% West_Norwegian + 20.6% Spanish_Extremadura @ 4.12
17 95.8% North_Dutch + 4.2% Sardinian @ 4.13
18 59.9% Southwest_English + 40.1% West_Norwegian @ 4.16
19 96% North_Dutch + 4% Moroccan @ 4.17
20 91% North_Dutch + 9% Portuguese @ 4.18

Lancashire2

# Population Percent
1 North_Sea 36.44
2 Atlantic 27.17
3 Baltic 13.98
4 Eastern_Euro 8.34
5 West_Med 7.82
6 West_Asian 4.5
7 Red_Sea 0.76
8 Northeast_African 0.67
9 Amerindian 0.27
10 Southeast_Asian 0.05

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 North_Dutch 2.68
2 Danish 4.09
3 North_German 4.29
4 Irish 4.31
5 West_Scottish 4.81
6 Southeast_English 5.09
7 Southwest_English 5.52
8 Norwegian 5.77
9 Orcadian 5.95
10 Swedish 6.21
11 West_Norwegian 6.79
12 South_Dutch 8.16
13 West_German 8.56
14 North_Swedish 9.64
15 East_German 11.56
16 French 12.78
17 Southwest_Finnish 14.14
18 Hungarian 16.25
19 Austrian 16.32
20 Finnish 17.32

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 89.7% North_Dutch + 10.3% East_German @ 2.35
2 94.7% North_Dutch + 5.3% South_Polish @ 2.41
3 94.9% North_Dutch + 5.1% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 2.42
4 94.7% North_Dutch + 5.3% Croatian @ 2.43
5 95.6% North_Dutch + 4.4% Russian_Smolensk @ 2.43
6 96.2% North_Dutch + 3.8% Lithuanian @ 2.43
7 95% North_Dutch + 5% Polish @ 2.44
8 95.2% North_Dutch + 4.8% Ukrainian @ 2.45
9 96% North_Dutch + 4% Estonian_Polish @ 2.45
10 96% North_Dutch + 4% Belorussian @ 2.46
11 96.2% North_Dutch + 3.8% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.48
12 96.4% North_Dutch + 3.6% Southwest_Russian @ 2.5
13 95.8% North_Dutch + 4.2% Moldavian @ 2.5
14 94.3% North_Dutch + 5.7% Austrian @ 2.5
15 94.3% North_Dutch + 5.7% Hungarian @ 2.5
16 96.1% North_Dutch + 3.9% Southwest_French @ 2.51
17 78.9% North_Dutch + 21.1% North_German @ 2.52
18 96.4% North_Dutch + 3.6% Estonian @ 2.54
19 97.2% North_Dutch + 2.8% French_Basque @ 2.55
20 96.6% North_Dutch + 3.4% Spanish_Cantabria @ 2.56

Lancashire3

# Population Percent
1 North_Sea 37.39
2 Atlantic 31.09
3 Baltic 9.41
4 Eastern_Euro 7.63
5 West_Asian 6.42
6 West_Med 4.09
7 South_Asian 1.46
8 East_Med 0.96
9 Amerindian 0.7
10 Oceanian 0.46
11 Northeast_African 0.38

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 West_Scottish 4.18
2 Irish 4.31
3 Orcadian 4.79
4 Danish 5.54
5 Southeast_English 5.63
6 North_Dutch 5.8
7 North_German 6.83
8 Southwest_English 7.49
9 West_Norwegian 9.15
10 Norwegian 9.28
11 Swedish 10.28
12 South_Dutch 10.65
13 West_German 11.66
14 North_Swedish 13.21
15 French 14.91
16 East_German 16.33
17 Southwest_Finnish 17.97
18 Austrian 19.57
19 Hungarian 20.63
20 Finnish 21.23

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 95.7% West_Scottish + 4.3% Chechen @ 3.57
2 96.1% West_Scottish + 3.9% North_Ossetian @ 3.58
3 96.6% West_Scottish + 3.4% Abhkasian @ 3.59
4 96.1% West_Scottish + 3.9% Ossetian @ 3.59
5 95.6% West_Scottish + 4.4% Tabassaran @ 3.6
6 96.5% West_Scottish + 3.5% Georgian @ 3.64
7 96.2% West_Scottish + 3.8% Adygei @ 3.64
8 95.9% West_Scottish + 4.1% Lezgin @ 3.65
9 96.1% West_Scottish + 3.9% Kabardin @ 3.68
10 96.3% West_Scottish + 3.7% Balkar @ 3.69
11 96.2% West_Scottish + 3.8% Kumyk @ 3.73
12 96.4% West_Scottish + 3.6% Afghan_Pashtun @ 3.75
13 96.8% West_Scottish + 3.2% Kalash @ 3.77
14 96.9% West_Scottish + 3.1% Brahui @ 3.78
15 96.9% West_Scottish + 3.1% Balochi @ 3.78
16 97% West_Scottish + 3% Makrani @ 3.8
17 96.4% West_Scottish + 3.6% Tadjik @ 3.84
18 97.4% West_Scottish + 2.6% Sindhi @ 3.85
19 97.2% West_Scottish + 2.8% Pathan @ 3.86
20 96% Irish + 4% Tabassaran @ 3.86

Lancashire4

# Population Percent
1 North_Sea 36.61
2 Atlantic 30.95
3 Baltic 12.25
4 Eastern_Euro 8.95
5 West_Med 6.23
6 West_Asian 1.84
7 South_Asian 1.01
8 East_Med 0.68
9 Oceanian 0.66
10 Amerindian 0.43
11 Northeast_African 0.41

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Irish 2.27
2 West_Scottish 2.47
3 Danish 3.72
4 Southeast_English 4.02
5 North_Dutch 4.04
6 Orcadian 4.95
7 North_German 5.61
8 Southwest_English 5.83
9 Norwegian 7.36
10 West_Norwegian 7.84
11 Swedish 8.35
12 South_Dutch 9.37
13 West_German 10.92
14 North_Swedish 11.04
15 French 13.99
16 East_German 14.18
17 Southwest_Finnish 15.37
18 Austrian 17.98
19 Hungarian 18.93
20 Finnish 18.95

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 93.6% West_Scottish + 6.4% La_Brana-1 @ 1.98
2 95.5% West_Scottish + 4.5% Lithuanian @ 2.01
3 95.4% Irish + 4.6% La_Brana-1 @ 2.02
4 96% Irish + 4% Estonian @ 2.03
5 94% Irish + 6% Southwest_Finnish @ 2.05
6 94.7% West_Scottish + 5.3% Estonian @ 2.06
7 92% Irish + 8% North_Swedish @ 2.07
8 97.1% Irish + 2.9% Lithuanian @ 2.08
9 95.4% West_Scottish + 4.6% Belorussian @ 2.08
10 95.5% Irish + 4.5% Finnish @ 2.09
11 95.5% West_Scottish + 4.5% Estonian_Polish @ 2.09
12 96.7% Irish + 3.3% East_Finnish @ 2.12
13 97.2% Irish + 2.8% Belorussian @ 2.12
14 97.2% Irish + 2.8% Estonian_Polish @ 2.12
15 94.9% West_Scottish + 5.1% Polish @ 2.13
16 91.3% Irish + 8.7% Swedish @ 2.14
17 95.6% West_Scottish + 4.4% Russian_Smolensk @ 2.14
18 97% Irish + 3% Polish @ 2.15
19 97.6% Irish + 2.4% Kargopol_Russian @ 2.16
20 91.3% Irish + 8.7% Norwegian @ 2.17

Lancashire5

# Population Percent
1 North_Sea 31.61
2 Atlantic 29.75
3 Baltic 12.99
4 West_Med 10.74
5 Eastern_Euro 8.88
6 West_Asian 3.84
7 Amerindian 1.32
8 Siberian 0.67
9 Sub-Saharan 0.19
10 Northeast_African 0.01

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Southwest_English 4.98
2 Southeast_English 5.37
3 South_Dutch 5.69
4 North_German 5.74
5 Irish 5.9
6 West_Scottish 6.82
7 North_Dutch 7.01
8 Danish 7.03
9 Orcadian 8.65
10 West_German 9.39
11 Norwegian 10.04
12 French 10.08
13 East_German 10.46
14 Swedish 10.83
15 West_Norwegian 11.42
16 North_Swedish 12.54
17 Austrian 14.26
18 Southwest_Finnish 14.64
19 Hungarian 15.66
20 Spanish_Cataluna 16.48

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 69.9% Swedish + 30.1% French_Basque @ 2.75
2 86.8% Southwest_English + 13.2% Russian_Smolensk @ 3.41
3 87.6% Southwest_English + 12.4% Estonian_Polish @ 3.44
4 71.9% Norwegian + 28.1% French_Basque @ 3.45
5 84.1% North_German + 15.9% French_Basque @ 3.48
6 87.8% Southwest_English + 12.2% Belorussian @ 3.51
7 85.6% Southwest_English + 14.4% Polish @ 3.53
8 89.1% Southwest_English + 10.9% Lithuanian @ 3.54
9 74.9% North_Dutch + 25.1% Southwest_French @ 3.56
10 88.3% Southwest_English + 11.7% Southwest_Russian @ 3.63
11 80.1% North_Dutch + 19.9% French_Basque @ 3.64
12 88.5% Southwest_English + 11.5% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 3.65
13 85.8% Southwest_English + 14.2% South_Polish @ 3.68
14 75.1% Southwest_English + 24.9% East_German @ 3.79
15 75.2% Danish + 24.8% Southwest_French @ 3.81
16 89.3% Southwest_English + 10.7% Kargopol_Russian @ 3.81
17 87.9% Southwest_English + 12.1% Estonian @ 3.82
18 81.2% Southwest_English + 18.8% Austrian @ 3.83
19 80% Irish + 20% Southwest_French @ 3.84
20 80.7% North_German + 19.3% Southwest_French @ 3.84

Lancashire6

# Population Percent
1 North_Sea 34.88
2 Atlantic 28.38
3 Baltic 13.22
4 Eastern_Euro 9.94
5 West_Med 6.15
6 West_Asian 5.71
7 South_Asian 1.22
8 Amerindian 0.5
9 Red_Sea 0.01

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 North_German 2.89
2 Danish 3.49
3 North_Dutch 3.74
4 Irish 4.2
5 West_Scottish 4.67
6 Southeast_English 5.19
7 Southwest_English 6.31
8 Orcadian 6.4
9 Norwegian 6.81
10 Swedish 7.32
11 West_Norwegian 8.06
12 South_Dutch 8.1
13 West_German 9.53
14 North_Swedish 9.65
15 East_German 11.38
16 French 13.29
17 Southwest_Finnish 13.46
18 Austrian 15.51
19 Hungarian 16.18
20 Finnish 16.9

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 77.5% North_German + 22.5% Orcadian @ 2.31
2 70.5% North_German + 29.5% West_Scottish @ 2.34
3 67.7% North_German + 32.3% Irish @ 2.36
4 88.2% Irish + 11.8% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.4
5 64.4% North_German + 35.6% North_Dutch @ 2.43
6 86.6% West_Scottish + 13.4% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.48
7 88.3% Irish + 11.7% Southwest_Russian @ 2.5
8 62.9% North_German + 37.1% Danish @ 2.51
9 84.4% North_German + 15.6% West_Norwegian @ 2.52
10 90.2% Irish + 9.8% Erzya @ 2.58
11 86% Irish + 14% South_Polish @ 2.58
12 80.4% Orcadian + 19.6% Russian_Smolensk @ 2.58
13 84% West_Scottish + 16% South_Polish @ 2.6
14 86.1% West_Scottish + 13.9% Russian_Smolensk @ 2.62
15 88% Irish + 12% Russian_Smolensk @ 2.62
16 86.8% West_Scottish + 13.2% Southwest_Russian @ 2.62
17 86.8% Irish + 13.2% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 2.65
18 86.9% Irish + 13.1% Ukrainian @ 2.65
19 84.5% North_German + 15.5% Norwegian @ 2.65
20 89.1% Irish + 10.9% Kargopol_Russian @ 2.67

NW England4

# Population Percent
1 North_Sea 38.54
2 Atlantic 30.43
3 Eastern_Euro 10.51
4 West_Med 7.12
5 Baltic 5.93
6 West_Asian 5.11
7 South_Asian 0.75
8 Red_Sea 0.64
9 Amerindian 0.63
10 Northeast_African 0.25
11 Sub-Saharan 0.1

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Orcadian 3.9
2 West_Scottish 4.72
3 Southeast_English 5.62
4 Irish 5.66
5 Danish 6.28
6 Southwest_English 6.56
7 North_Dutch 6.72
8 North_German 8.77
9 West_Norwegian 8.83
10 Norwegian 9.28
11 South_Dutch 10.53
12 Swedish 11.23
13 West_German 11.45
14 North_Swedish 13.58
15 French 14.21
16 East_German 17.08
17 Southwest_Finnish 19
18 Austrian 20.89
19 Spanish_Cataluna 21.43
20 Hungarian 21.8

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 97.6% Orcadian + 2.4% Tabassaran @ 3.74
2 97.9% Orcadian + 2.1% Lezgin @ 3.76
3 98% Orcadian + 2% Chechen @ 3.77
4 98.2% Orcadian + 1.8% Ossetian @ 3.78
5 96.9% Orcadian + 3.1% French_Basque @ 3.8
6 98.3% Orcadian + 1.7% Adygei @ 3.8
7 98.5% Orcadian + 1.5% MA-1 @ 3.8
8 98.3% Orcadian + 1.7% Kabardin @ 3.8
9 98.3% Orcadian + 1.7% Balkar @ 3.81
10 98.6% Orcadian + 1.4% Abhkasian @ 3.81
11 98.6% Orcadian + 1.4% Georgian @ 3.81
12 98.6% Orcadian + 1.4% Kalash @ 3.82
13 98.5% Orcadian + 1.5% North_Ossetian @ 3.82
14 98.4% Orcadian + 1.6% Kumyk @ 3.82
15 98.5% Orcadian + 1.5% Afghan_Pashtun @ 3.83
16 98.3% Orcadian + 1.7% Tadjik @ 3.83
17 98.7% Orcadian + 1.3% Burusho @ 3.84
18 98.8% Orcadian + 1.2% Balochi @ 3.84
19 98.8% Orcadian + 1.2% Brahui @ 3.85
20 98.6% Orcadian + 1.4% Mari @ 3.85

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NW England1

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 48.57
2 Baltic 26.21
3 West_Med 11.29
4 West_Asian 8.21
5 South_Asian 2.58
6 East_Med 1.74
7 Red_Sea 0.87
8 Sub-Saharan 0.54

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 North_German 3.23
2 Danish 3.33
3 North_Dutch 3.51
4 Irish 4.59
5 Norwegian 4.68
6 Orcadian 4.76
7 West_Scottish 5.62
8 Swedish 5.84
9 Southeast_English 6.16
10 Southwest_English 6.76
11 South_Dutch 8.39
12 West_German 9.06
13 North_Swedish 11.82
14 Austrian 12.29
15 East_German 12.33
16 French 14.45
17 Hungarian 16.75
18 Southwest_Finnish 19.62
19 South_Polish 21.39
20 Croatian 21.81

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 95.1% North_Dutch + 4.9% Kalash @ 1.84
2 95.2% North_Dutch + 4.8% Punjabi_Jat @ 1.92
3 95.7% North_Dutch + 4.3% Balochi @ 2
4 95.8% North_Dutch + 4.2% Sindhi @ 2.01
5 95.4% North_Dutch + 4.6% Pathan @ 2.02
6 95.4% North_Dutch + 4.6% Burusho @ 2.02
7 95.9% North_Dutch + 4.1% Brahui @ 2.04
8 96.1% North_Dutch + 3.9% Gujarati @ 2.14
9 95% North_Dutch + 5% Afghan_Pashtun @ 2.14
10 95.9% North_Dutch + 4.1% Makrani @ 2.19
11 95.9% North_Dutch + 4.1% Brahmin_UP @ 2.21
12 96.1% North_Dutch + 3.9% Kshatriya @ 2.23
13 63.8% North_German + 36.2% Irish @ 2.32
14 96.6% North_Dutch + 3.4% Dharkar @ 2.34
15 96.6% North_Dutch + 3.4% Kanjar @ 2.35
16 96.5% Danish + 3.5% Balochi @ 2.36
17 96.8% North_Dutch + 3.2% Velamas @ 2.37
18 94.8% North_Dutch + 5.2% Tadjik @ 2.38
19 96.8% North_Dutch + 3.2% Kurumba @ 2.38
20 96.6% Danish + 3.4% Brahui @ 2.39

NW England2

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 52.39
2 Baltic 24.8
3 West_Med 13.01
4 West_Asian 4.29
5 Amerindian 1.58
6 East_Asian 1.23
7 South_Asian 1.12
8 East_Med 0.8
9 Red_Sea 0.65
10 Oceanian 0.14

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Irish 2.47
2 Orcadian 2.6
3 West_Scottish 2.63
4 Southwest_English 4.11
5 North_Dutch 4.18
6 Southeast_English 4.7
7 Danish 4.82
8 Norwegian 4.96
9 North_German 7.05
10 Swedish 7.64
11 South_Dutch 9.78
12 West_German 11.1
13 North_Swedish 13.8
14 French 14.91
15 East_German 15.63
16 Austrian 15.72
17 Hungarian 20.33
18 Spanish_Cataluna 21.61
19 Southwest_Finnish 21.91
20 Southwest_French 21.99

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 94.9% West_Scottish + 5.1% La_Brana-1 @ 2.19
2 85.8% Norwegian + 14.2% French_Basque @ 2.21
3 95.4% West_Scottish + 4.6% Estonian @ 2.23
4 96% West_Scottish + 4% Lithuanian @ 2.25
5 94.3% West_Scottish + 5.7% Southwest_Finnish @ 2.28
6 95.3% West_Scottish + 4.7% Polish @ 2.29
7 95.9% West_Scottish + 4.1% Estonian_Polish @ 2.29
8 57.5% Irish + 42.5% Orcadian @ 2.3
9 91.5% West_Scottish + 8.5% North_Swedish @ 2.31
10 96.9% Irish + 3.1% La_Brana-1 @ 2.31
11 95.6% West_Scottish + 4.4% Finnish @ 2.31
12 99.2% Irish + 0.8% Dai @ 2.32
13 96% West_Scottish + 4% Belorussian @ 2.32
14 96% West_Scottish + 4% Russian_Smolensk @ 2.32
15 99.2% Irish + 0.8% Vietnamese @ 2.32
16 95.7% West_Scottish + 4.3% Ukrainian @ 2.33
17 96.2% West_Scottish + 3.8% East_Finnish @ 2.33
18 99.2% Irish + 0.8% She @ 2.33
19 99.2% Irish + 0.8% Lahu @ 2.33
20 85.6% West_Scottish + 14.4% Swedish @ 2.33

NW England3

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 49.05
2 Baltic 24.34
3 West_Med 13.38
4 East_Med 4.33
5 South_Asian 2.62
6 Red_Sea 1.86
7 West_Asian 1.8
8 Sub-Saharan 0.84
9 Northeast_African 0.77
10 East_Asian 0.64
11 Oceanian 0.38

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Southeast_English 3.93
2 Orcadian 4.65
3 Southwest_English 5.13
4 Danish 5.25
5 North_Dutch 5.35
6 West_Scottish 5.93
7 Irish 5.94
8 North_German 6.46
9 South_Dutch 6.88
10 Norwegian 7.19
11 West_German 8.2
12 Swedish 8.45
13 French 11.7
14 Austrian 12.97
15 East_German 13.17
16 North_Swedish 13.48
17 Hungarian 17.53
18 Spanish_Cataluna 18.64
19 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 19.56
20 Spanish_Galicia 19.61

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 82.7% Danish + 17.3% Spanish_Galicia @ 3.34
2 83.1% Danish + 16.9% Spanish_Cantabria @ 3.37
3 82.8% Danish + 17.2% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 3.4
4 83% Danish + 17% Southwest_French @ 3.43
5 84.6% Danish + 15.4% Spanish_Aragon @ 3.43
6 93.4% Southeast_English + 6.6% La_Brana-1 @ 3.45
7 97.8% Southeast_English + 2.2% Austroasiatic_Ho @ 3.47
8 94.2% Southeast_English + 5.8% East_Finnish @ 3.47
9 94.2% Orcadian + 5.8% Moroccan @ 3.48
10 94.1% Orcadian + 5.9% Algerian @ 3.48
11 75.4% Norwegian + 24.6% Spanish_Galicia @ 3.48
12 92.1% Southeast_English + 7.9% Southwest_Finnish @ 3.49
13 94.2% Orcadian + 5.8% Mozabite_Berber @ 3.49
14 88% Southeast_English + 12% North_Swedish @ 3.5
15 93.8% Southeast_English + 6.2% Finnish @ 3.5
16 94.3% Orcadian + 5.7% Tunisian @ 3.51
17 94.3% Southeast_English + 5.7% Estonian_Polish @ 3.52
18 94.3% Southeast_English + 5.7% Belorussian @ 3.52
19 94.2% Southeast_English + 5.8% Estonian @ 3.53
20 94.9% Southeast_English + 5.1% Lithuanian @ 3.53

Lancashire2

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 49.81
2 Baltic 26.93
3 West_Med 12.36
4 West_Asian 6.55
5 Red_Sea 1.52
6 Northeast_African 0.98
7 East_Med 0.5
8 East_Asian 0.47
9 Amerindian 0.44
10 South_Asian 0.34
11 Siberian 0.06
12 Oceanian 0.04

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 North_Dutch 3.01
2 Norwegian 3.62
3 Irish 3.74
4 Danish 3.83
5 Orcadian 3.94
6 North_German 4.61
7 West_Scottish 4.78
8 Swedish 5.3
9 Southwest_English 5.94
10 Southeast_English 5.96
11 South_Dutch 9.16
12 West_German 10.15
13 North_Swedish 11.5
14 East_German 13.06
15 Austrian 13.24
16 French 15.03
17 Hungarian 17.83
18 Southwest_Finnish 19.45
19 South_Polish 21.98
20 Spanish_Cataluna 22.33

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 90.3% Irish + 9.7% Lithuanian @ 1.81
2 87.9% Irish + 12.1% Polish @ 1.84
3 89.3% Irish + 10.7% Russian_Smolensk @ 1.85
4 89.6% Irish + 10.4% Estonian_Polish @ 1.91
5 89.5% Irish + 10.5% Belorussian @ 1.93
6 89.3% Irish + 10.7% Estonian @ 1.95
7 89.9% Irish + 10.1% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 1.99
8 91.5% Irish + 8.5% Erzya @ 2.02
9 90.5% Irish + 9.5% Kargopol_Russian @ 2.03
10 90% Irish + 10% Southwest_Russian @ 2.05
11 88.7% Irish + 11.3% Ukrainian @ 2.06
12 87.6% Irish + 12.4% South_Polish @ 2.07
13 88.5% Irish + 11.5% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 2.08
14 89% Irish + 11% Finnish @ 2.08
15 90.3% Irish + 9.7% East_Finnish @ 2.12
16 86.3% Irish + 13.7% Southwest_Finnish @ 2.13
17 84.8% West_Scottish + 15.2% Polish @ 2.2
18 86.5% West_Scottish + 13.5% Russian_Smolensk @ 2.23
19 87.8% West_Scottish + 12.2% Lithuanian @ 2.26
20 61.8% Irish + 38.2% Swedish @ 2.28

Lancashire3

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 52.55
2 Baltic 23.2
3 West_Med 8.07
4 West_Asian 7.1
5 East_Med 5.02
6 South_Asian 1.83
7 Amerindian 0.93
8 Oceanian 0.66
9 Northeast_African 0.36
10 East_Asian 0.28

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Danish 4.72
2 North_Dutch 4.97
3 West_Scottish 5.13
4 Irish 5.21
5 Orcadian 5.45
6 Southeast_English 6.12
7 Norwegian 6.29
8 North_German 6.45
9 Southwest_English 7.17
10 Swedish 8.78
11 South_Dutch 10.29
12 West_German 10.7
13 North_Swedish 14.74
14 French 15.46
15 Austrian 16.07
16 East_German 16.61
17 Hungarian 20.08
18 Spanish_Cataluna 22.6
19 Southwest_Finnish 22.99
20 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 23.8

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 59.1% Danish + 40.9% West_Scottish @ 4.3
2 95.2% West_Scottish + 4.8% Lezgin @ 4.44
3 95.8% West_Scottish + 4.2% Iranian @ 4.44
4 95% West_Scottish + 5% Tabassaran @ 4.45
5 95.8% West_Scottish + 4.2% Kurdish @ 4.47
6 64.1% Danish + 35.9% Irish @ 4.48
7 95.4% West_Scottish + 4.6% Turkmen @ 4.49
8 96.1% West_Scottish + 3.9% Iranian_Jewish @ 4.5
9 95.6% West_Scottish + 4.4% Azeri @ 4.5
10 96.1% West_Scottish + 3.9% Lebanese_Druze @ 4.5
11 65.2% West_Scottish + 34.8% North_German @ 4.51
12 96.4% West_Scottish + 3.6% Kurdish_Jewish @ 4.55
13 96.3% West_Scottish + 3.7% Assyrian @ 4.57
14 95.6% West_Scottish + 4.4% Chechen @ 4.58
15 96.4% West_Scottish + 3.6% Georgian_Jewish @ 4.58
16 95.9% West_Scottish + 4.1% Afghan_Pashtun @ 4.59
17 95.7% West_Scottish + 4.3% Kumyk @ 4.59
18 96.7% West_Scottish + 3.3% Makrani @ 4.61
19 54.8% North_Dutch + 45.2% West_Scottish @ 4.62
20 96.5% West_Scottish + 3.5% Armenian @ 4.63

Lancashire4

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 53.47
2 Baltic 24.48
3 West_Med 10.36
4 West_Asian 4.51
5 East_Med 3.43
6 South_Asian 1.35
7 Amerindian 0.9
8 Oceanian 0.87
9 Northeast_African 0.64

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 West_Scottish 2.99
2 Orcadian 3.29
3 Irish 3.39
4 North_Dutch 3.69
5 Danish 3.88
6 Southeast_English 4.58
7 Norwegian 4.83
8 Southwest_English 5.2
9 North_German 6.61
10 Swedish 7.7
11 South_Dutch 10.23
12 West_German 11.12
13 North_Swedish 13.93
14 French 15.45
15 Austrian 16.21
16 East_German 16.36
17 Hungarian 20.56
18 Southwest_Finnish 22.26
19 Spanish_Cataluna 22.32
20 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 23.43

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 63.7% West_Scottish + 36.3% Danish @ 2.44
2 64.2% West_Scottish + 35.8% North_Dutch @ 2.61
3 73.7% West_Scottish + 26.3% Norwegian @ 2.61
4 95.2% West_Scottish + 4.8% La_Brana-1 @ 2.65
5 84.9% West_Scottish + 15.1% Swedish @ 2.7
6 91.8% West_Scottish + 8.2% North_Swedish @ 2.73
7 84.8% West_Scottish + 15.2% North_German @ 2.79
8 95.6% West_Scottish + 4.4% Southwest_Finnish @ 2.81
9 96.5% West_Scottish + 3.5% Finnish @ 2.81
10 97% West_Scottish + 3% Belorussian @ 2.83
11 96.9% West_Scottish + 3.1% Estonian @ 2.83
12 97.4% West_Scottish + 2.6% Lithuanian @ 2.85
13 97.3% West_Scottish + 2.7% East_Finnish @ 2.86
14 97.4% West_Scottish + 2.6% Estonian_Polish @ 2.87
15 97.5% West_Scottish + 2.5% Southwest_Russian @ 2.88
16 97.5% West_Scottish + 2.5% Russian_Smolensk @ 2.89
17 97.7% West_Scottish + 2.3% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.89
18 97.4% West_Scottish + 2.6% Polish @ 2.9
19 97.3% West_Scottish + 2.7% South_Polish @ 2.9
20 68.8% West_Scottish + 31.2% Orcadian @ 2.9

Lancashire5

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 47.34
2 Baltic 25.35
3 West_Med 15.48
4 West_Asian 5.96
5 East_Med 2.61
6 Amerindian 1.57
7 Siberian 1.27
8 Sub-Saharan 0.29
9 Oceanian 0.11
10 Northeast_African 0.01

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Orcadian 4.65
2 Southeast_English 4.82
3 North_Dutch 5.34
4 Southwest_English 5.62
5 Irish 5.66
6 North_German 5.8
7 Danish 5.86
8 South_Dutch 5.95
9 West_Scottish 6.4
10 Norwegian 6.83
11 West_German 7.12
12 Swedish 7.93
13 Austrian 11.18
14 East_German 11.35
15 French 11.57
16 North_Swedish 12.98
17 Hungarian 15.88
18 Spanish_Cataluna 18.57
19 Southwest_French 19
20 Spanish_Galicia 19.77

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 88% Norwegian + 12% Sardinian @ 2.16
2 74.8% Norwegian + 25.2% Southwest_French @ 2.5
3 71.5% Swedish + 28.5% Southwest_French @ 2.54
4 87% Southwest_English + 13% Erzya @ 2.59
5 82.6% Southwest_English + 17.4% Ukrainian @ 2.61
6 82.3% Southwest_English + 17.7% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 2.64
7 85.7% Southwest_English + 14.3% Kargopol_Russian @ 2.66
8 69.2% Southwest_English + 30.8% East_German @ 2.75
9 75.9% Norwegian + 24.1% Spanish_Cantabria @ 2.77
10 72.6% Swedish + 27.4% Spanish_Cantabria @ 2.78
11 81% Southwest_English + 19% Croatian @ 2.79
12 81.3% Southwest_English + 18.7% South_Polish @ 2.82
13 85.1% Southwest_English + 14.9% Southwest_Russian @ 2.82
14 74.9% Swedish + 25.1% Spanish_Aragon @ 2.84
15 85.9% Orcadian + 14.1% Moldavian @ 2.85
16 85.3% Southwest_English + 14.7% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.86
17 82.3% Southwest_English + 17.7% Moldavian @ 2.92
18 83.1% Southwest_English + 16.9% Polish @ 2.94
19 75% Orcadian + 25% Austrian @ 2.95
20 85.3% Orcadian + 14.7% Croatian @ 2.97

Lancashire6

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 49.74
2 Baltic 26.52
3 West_Med 10.1
4 West_Asian 8.73
5 South_Asian 1.66
6 East_Med 1.11
7 Amerindian 0.95
8 Red_Sea 0.83
9 Oceanian 0.37

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 North_Dutch 3.37
2 Danish 3.56
3 Norwegian 3.8
4 North_German 3.9
5 Irish 4.3
6 Orcadian 4.95
7 West_Scottish 5.38
8 Swedish 5.45
9 Southeast_English 6.86
10 Southwest_English 7.33
11 South_Dutch 9.84
12 West_German 10.38
13 North_Swedish 11.7
14 East_German 13.54
15 Austrian 13.56
16 French 15.85
17 Hungarian 17.8
18 Southwest_Finnish 19.72
19 South_Polish 22.1
20 Croatian 22.84

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 95.1% Norwegian + 4.9% Balochi @ 1.81
2 95.2% Norwegian + 4.8% Brahui @ 1.82
3 95.2% Norwegian + 4.8% Makrani @ 1.97
4 94.9% Norwegian + 5.1% Kalash @ 2.13
5 94.5% Norwegian + 5.5% Afghan_Pashtun @ 2.2
6 95.5% Norwegian + 4.5% Sindhi @ 2.24
7 94.7% Norwegian + 5.3% Ossetian @ 2.28
8 94% Norwegian + 6% Tabassaran @ 2.3
9 95.2% Norwegian + 4.8% Punjabi_Jat @ 2.36
10 95.3% Norwegian + 4.7% Georgian @ 2.36
11 95.3% Norwegian + 4.7% Pathan @ 2.37
12 94.4% Norwegian + 5.6% Chechen @ 2.38
13 95.5% Norwegian + 4.5% Abhkasian @ 2.39
14 95.4% Norwegian + 4.6% Burusho @ 2.42
15 94.5% Norwegian + 5.5% Lezgin @ 2.42
16 94.9% Norwegian + 5.1% North_Ossetian @ 2.44
17 96.2% North_Dutch + 3.8% Kalash @ 2.44
18 94.2% Norwegian + 5.8% Tadjik @ 2.44
19 94.8% Norwegian + 5.2% Adygei @ 2.44
20 94.7% Norwegian + 5.3% Kabardin @ 2.48

NW England4

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 53.02
2 Baltic 22.23
3 West_Med 12.35
4 West_Asian 7.94
5 South_Asian 1.51
6 Red_Sea 1.14
7 Amerindian 1.02
8 Northeast_African 0.41
9 Sub-Saharan 0.29
10 Oceanian 0.1

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Irish 2.61
2 West_Scottish 2.84
3 Orcadian 4.42
4 Southwest_English 4.57
5 North_Dutch 5.67
6 Southeast_English 6.13
7 Danish 6.29
8 Norwegian 6.92
9 North_German 8
10 Swedish 9.7
11 South_Dutch 10.35
12 West_German 11.55
13 French 15.13
14 North_Swedish 16.16
15 Austrian 17.01
16 East_German 17.31
17 Hungarian 21.65
18 Spanish_Cataluna 21.79
19 Southwest_French 22.5
20 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 22.84

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 97.6% West_Scottish + 2.4% Balochi @ 2.32
2 97.7% West_Scottish + 2.3% Brahui @ 2.33
3 97.6% West_Scottish + 2.4% Kalash @ 2.42
4 97.8% West_Scottish + 2.2% Makrani @ 2.42
5 98.6% Irish + 1.4% Balochi @ 2.44
6 98.7% Irish + 1.3% Brahui @ 2.44
7 98.8% Irish + 1.2% Makrani @ 2.49
8 97.3% West_Scottish + 2.7% Tabassaran @ 2.49
9 97.6% West_Scottish + 2.4% Ossetian @ 2.49
10 97.6% West_Scottish + 2.4% Afghan_Pashtun @ 2.5
11 98% West_Scottish + 2% Sindhi @ 2.5
12 98.9% Irish + 1.1% Sindhi @ 2.5
13 98.8% Irish + 1.2% Kalash @ 2.5
14 97.9% West_Scottish + 2.1% Punjabi_Jat @ 2.52
15 97.9% West_Scottish + 2.1% Burusho @ 2.52
16 98.9% Irish + 1.1% Punjabi_Jat @ 2.52
17 97.5% West_Scottish + 2.5% Chechen @ 2.52
18 99% Irish + 1% Burusho @ 2.53
19 98.8% Irish + 1.2% Afghan_Pashtun @ 2.53
20 98.9% Irish + 1.1% Ossetian @ 2.54

K13

NW_Eng1,48.57,26.21,11.29,8.21,1.74,0.87,2.58,0,0, 0,0,0,0.54
NW_Eng2,52.39,24.80,13.01,4.29,0.80,0.65,1.12,1.23 ,0,1.58,0.14,0,0
NW_Eng3,49.05,24.34,13.38,1.80,4.33,1.86,2.62,0.64 ,0,0,0.38,0.77,0.84
Lancs1,48.39,25.33,12.80,4.30,6.12,0.56,0.57,0,0,0 .79,0.36,0.22,0.55
Lancs2,49.81,26.93,12.36,6.55,0.50,1.52,0.34,0.47, 0.06,0.44,0,0.98,0
Lancs3,52.55,23.20,8.07,7.10,5.02,0,1.83,0.28,0,0. 93,0.66,0.36,0
Lancs4,53.47,24.48,10.36,4.51,3.43,0,1.35,0,0,0.90 ,0.87,0.64,0
Lancs5,47.34,25.35,15.48,5.96,2.61,0,0,0,1.27,1.57 ,0.11,0,0.29
Lancs6,49.74,26.52,10.10,8.73,1.11,0.83,1.66,0,0,0 .95,0.37,0,0
NW_Eng4,53.02,22.23,12.35,7.94,0,1.14,1.51,0,0,1.0 2,0.10,0.41,0.29

K15

NW_Eng1,37.58,24.91,10.17,12.63,7.09,5.20,0,0.71,1 .40,0,0,0,0,0,0.30
NW_Eng2,38.75,28.57,12.90,6.62,8.48,1.51,0,0,0.85, 0.78,0,1.53,0,0,0
NW_Eng3,37.54,26.04,12.50,6.71,9.16,0.85,1.15,1.53 ,2.41,0.29,0,0,0.22,1.13,0.49
Lancs1,35.08,28.64,12.87,7.05,8.03,3.53,3.12,0.39, 0,0,0,0.51,0.15,0.29,0.34
Lancs2,36.44,27.17,13.98,8.34,7.82,4.50,0,0.76,0,0 .05,0,0.27,0,0.67,0
Lancs3,37.39,31.09,9.41,7.63,4.09,6.42,0.96,0,1.46 ,0,0,0.70,0.46,0.38,0
Lancs4,36.61,30.95,12.25,8.95,6.23,1.84,0.68,0,1.0 1,0,0,0.43,0.66,0.41,0
Lancs5,31.61,29.75,12.99,8.88,10.74,3.84,0,0,0,0,0 .67,1.32,0,0,0.19
Lancs6,34.88,28.38,13.22,9.94,6.15,5.71,0,0,1.22,0 ,0,0.50,0,0,0
NW_Eng4,38.54,30.43,5.93,10.51,7.12,5.11,0,0.64,0. 75,0,0,0.63,0,0.25,0.10

J. Ketch

09-05-2020, 03:52 PM

Yorkshire individuals

Yorks1,49.10,24.09,13.07,8.08,3.03,0.42,0.55,0.08, 0,0.46,1.08,0,0
Yorks2,51.63,21.23,13.76,5.42,4.36,0.26,1.69,0,0,0 .49,1.17,0,0
Yorks3,49.72,23.41,13.91,4.86,4.93,1.58,0.79,0,0,0 .62,0.18,0,0
Yorks4,48.81,25.85,14.97,5.77,1.17,0,1.62,0.20,0,0 .99,0.63,0,0
Yorks5,52.14,25.21,9.77,6.09,3.81,0.51,0,0,0.49,0. 29,1.13,0.41,0.16
Yorks6,48.54,23.56,12.65,6.33,4.41,0,2.70,0,0,0.93 ,0.87,0,0
Yorks7,55.13,23.44,12.09,3.35,1.50,1.84,1.55,0,0.0 9,0.43,0,0.57,0

Yorks1,32.70,31.20,11.58,7.93,8.20,6.89,0,0,0.32,0 ,0,0.21,0.91,0,0
Yorks2,39.55,25.41,8.72,8.44,10.88,4.05,0.55,0.07, 1.41,0,0,0.05,0.87,0,0
Yorks3,36.07,29.17,8.93,9.28,9.47,2.76,3.08,0.66,0 .38,0,0,0.20,0,0,0
Yorks4,35.50,27.53,12.53,8.69,10.76,2.74,0,0,1.27, 0,0,0.58,0.39,0,0
Yorks5,42.75,24.58,10.52,8.83,6.54,4.19,1.14,0,0,0 ,0,0.09,0.83,0.35,0.14
Yorks6,37.14,25.14,10.76,8.64,9.06,5.03,0.73,0,2.3 7,0,0,0.55,0.58,0,0
Yorks7,40.19,29.29,8.55,9.74,8.73,0.91,0,1.39,0.67 ,0,0,0.13,0,0.40,0

Cumbria

Cumbria1,49.27,24.66,14.43,7.16,0,0.92,1.61,0.15,0 .44,0.25,0.53,0,0.59

Cumbria1,40.23,25.59,6.09,12.23,10.50,3.09,0,0.10, 1.49,0,0,0,0.21,0,0.47

NE England

NE_Eng1,49.31,23.40,14.75,7.68,0,1.19,2.08,0,1.39, 0,0,0.19,0
NE_Eng2,47.30,24.05,14.08,8.17,2.92,1.24,0.92,0,0, 0.37,0.30,0.60,0

NE_Eng1,37.68,25.53,10.59,8.10,10.43,4.83,0,0.35,1 .56,0,0.80,0,0,0.15,0
NE_Eng2,37.07,23.60,10.08,10.28,10.26,6.88,0,0.76, 0.46,0,0,0,0,0.59,0

RyoHazuki

09-05-2020, 04:25 PM

I've been hoping for something like this for England since forever. Thank you.

J. Ketch

09-05-2020, 04:32 PM

And some Midlands averages from a few kits, for good measure

K13

West_Midlands,50.19,23.24,13.76,6.60,2.89,0.39,0.8 7,0.36,0.32,0.49,0.31,0.17,0.36
East_Midlands,49.81,23.64,14.3,6.90,2.46,0.47,0.77 ,0.13,0.1,0.22,0.44,0.35,0.36

Staffordshire1,48.91,24.71,12.97,7.34,3.14,0,1.98, 0.69,0,0.25,0,0,0
Staffordshire3,54.22,24.04,11.69,4.23,3.04,0,1.42, 0.18,0,0.30,0.88,0,0
WestMidlands1,50.66,20.93,16.23,8.42,0.81,0,0.51,0 ,0.68,0.48,0.45,0.41,0.43
WestMidlands2,49.01,23.31,13.55,6.46,4.22,0,0.20,0 .82,0,0.55,1.09,0,0.76
WestMidlands3;48.45;24.21;14.70;6.94;2.66;0.31;0.3 6;0.12;0.73;0.36;0;0.30;0.86
Lincolnshire1;50.60;22.01;15.34;6.48;1.27;1.22;0.4 2;0;0.21;0;1.61;0.84;0
Derbyshire1,51.16,23.23,13.99,5.52,2.61,0.08,1.23, 0.83,0,0.65,0,0.70,0
EastMidlands1,50.33,21.89,13.12,8.57,4.15,0,0.94,0 ,0.20,0,0.80,0,0
EastMidlands2,46.45,23.77,15.29,7.05,4.21,1.53,0.3 9,0,0.19,0.24,0,0,0.88
Derbyshire2,48.83,25.18,16.70,5.61,0.77,0,1.69,0,0 ,0.09,0,0.61,0.52
Derbyshire3,51.51,25.78,11.36,8.22,1.78,0,0,0,0,0. 34,0.25,0,0.77
WestMidlands4,51.97,23.35,14.13,6.65,0,1.01,0.47,0 ,0.68,1.00,0.12,0,0.63
WestMidlands5,45.43,22.70,16.75,7.78,5.29,0,0,1.04 ,0,0,0.33,0.23,0.43
WestMidlands6,52.34,21.73,12.58,5.48,2.35,2.06,1.7 4,0.43,0,0.67,0,0.61,0
WestMidlands7,50.74,24.21,11.28,6.11,4.50,0.14,1.2 0,0,0.81,0.86,0,0,0.15

K15

West_Midlands,36.44,28.25,9.73,9.21,9.24,4.56,0.50 ,0.44,0.52,0.11,0.11,0.25,0.22,0.14,0.23
East_Midlands,35.94,28.68,10.15,8.50,9.91,4.73,0.4 2,0.32,0.36,0.07,0,0.06,0.29,0.26,0.26

Staffordshire1,37.16,26.33,9.65,10.65,9.33,5.14,0, 0,1.72,0,0,0,0,0,0
Staffordshire2,36.54,26.06,9.54,13.90,8.70,1.89,0. 89,1.61,0.25,0,0,0,0.49,0.14,0
Staffordshire3,33.72,35.44,10.66,9.42,6.43,2.93,0, 0,0.79,0,0,0,0.61,0,0
WestMidlands1,41.26,24.15,7.86,7.75,12.09,5.29,0,0 ,0,0,0.33,0.29,0.24,0.47,0.22
WestMidlands2,37.17,25.32,11.00,7.71,10.27,4.87,1. 20,0.14,0,0.38,0,0.37,0.87,0,0.68
WestMidlands3;39.85,22.90,10.58,8.69,11.10,5.35,0, 0.07,0.08,0,0.27,0.24,0,0,0.87
Lincolnshire1;33.41,31.64,11.33,6.07,9.75,5.03,0,0 .79,0,0,0,0,1.36,0.63,0
Derbyshire1,35.36,29.99,10.47,8.54,9.93,3.59,0,0,0 .84,0.42,0,0.36,0,0.49,0
EastMidlands1,31.77,33.32,10.35,6.75,8.24,6.58,2.1 1,0,0.44,0,0,0,0.43,0,0
EastMidlands2,32.40,28.70,9.43,9.92,10.78,6.36,0.4 6,1.14,0,0,0,0,0,0,0.81
Derbyshire2,41.88,22.37,11.33,8.25,12.52,1.97,0,0, 0.89,0,0,0,0,0.45,0.34
Derbyshire3,40.82,26.08,8.02,11.51,8.25,4.90,0,0,0 ,0,0,0,0,0,0.43
WestMidlands4,33.65,32.32,9.18,10.81,8.47,3.79,0,0 .61,0.11,0,0,0.69,0,0,0.36
WestMidlands5,31.29,28.97,10.73,6.68,11.20,7.39,2. 53,0,0,0.67,0,0,0,0.38,0.17
WestMidlands6,38.26,29.76,8.15,7.82,8.12,3.73,0,1. 77,1.45,0.11,0,0.39,0,0.44,0
WestMidlands7,35.51,31.26,9.95,8.73,6.74,5.25,0.40 ,0.27,0.81,0,0.51,0.58,0,0,0

Jana

09-05-2020, 05:07 PM

Great work! Lucas should ad these to Vahaduo. We really need NW Euro regional averages.

Alenka

09-05-2020, 05:12 PM

Well done.
:)

J. Ketch

09-05-2020, 05:21 PM

Great work! Lucas should ad these to Vahaduo. We really need NW Euro regional averages.
Thanks, I'd prefer to get more for each region before adding them to calculators. This is mainly for mine and other's interest.

Jana

09-05-2020, 05:38 PM

Thanks, I'd prefer to get more for each region before adding them to calculators. This is mainly for mine and other's interest.

Makes sense. How does your mom compares to these?

J. Ketch

09-05-2020, 06:30 PM

Makes sense. How does your mom compares to these?
K13

CreodaMum,48.91,24.71,12.97,7.34,3.14,0,1.98,0.69, 0,0.25,0,0,0
Distance to: CreodaMum
2.61438329 East_Midlands
2.63461572 West_Midlands
2.73883187 NW_England
2.98348789 Yorkshire
3.86297813 Orcadian
4.19584318 North-Dutch
4.28864781 Irish
4.42314368 Southeast_English
4.48281162 FRA_Armorica
4.48811765 North_German
4.87687400 German_West
4.89385329 Scottish
5.14634822 Danish
5.31528927 West_Scottish
5.45214637 Southwest_English
5.58122746 Welsh
5.91127736 Denmark
6.17797702 Norwegian
6.63006033 Norway_South_Central
6.67182883 Sweden_Götaland

K15

CreodaMum,37.16,26.33,9.65,10.65,9.33,5.14,0,0,1.7 2,0,0,0,0,0,0
Distance to: CreodaMum
2.95304927 West_Midlands
2.99053507 Yorkshire
3.20820822 Dutch
3.28298645 Welsh
3.83980468 East_Midlands
3.90920708 Scotland
4.46465004 NW_England
4.83204925 North_Dutch
5.33680616 Southwest_English
5.33958800 Orcadian
5.64401453 Southeast_English
5.81664852 FRA_Armorica
5.93616880 West_Scottish
6.11015548 Danish
6.36455812 Irish
6.61306283 Norway
6.93588495 Norwegian
7.11187036 North_German
7.38524881 Swedish
7.81595803 West_Norwegian

On lots of things she is most similar to the Northwest, because North Staffordshire borders it and is genetically part of that region, despite being in the Midlands.

https://i.postimg.cc/DfQ0mDty/Opera-Snapshot-2020-09-06-041254-ukancestrymap-github-io.png
https://i.postimg.cc/3rZr3Gvk/plota.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/mrpV7YYH/Opera-Snapshot-2020-02-05-142842-my-livingdna-com.png

Lancashire/West Yorkshire is somewhat surprisingly the most Northern/Nordic shifted part of England, not so much because of Germanic influence (East Yorkshire/Lincolnshire/East Anglia etc had more), but because the Northwest was the least Celticised and Romanised part of the country.

https://i.postimg.cc/tR1Dj1GR/POBI.jpg

oszkar07

09-06-2020, 12:54 PM

NW England1

# Population Percent
1 North_Sea 37.58
2 Atlantic 24.91
3 Eastern_Euro 12.63
4 Baltic 10.17
5 West_Med 7.09
6 West_Asian 5.2
7 South_Asian 1.4
8 Red_Sea 0.71
9 Sub-Saharan 0.3

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Danish 4.22
2 North_Dutch 4.47
3 Norwegian 4.73
4 West_Norwegian 5.77
5 Orcadian 5.92
6 West_Scottish 6.16
7 North_German 6.2
8 Swedish 6.4
9 Southeast_English 6.68
10 Irish 6.74
11 Southwest_English 7.08
12 North_Swedish 8.25
13 West_German 8.61
14 South_Dutch 9.25
15 East_German 12.55
16 French 13.81
17 Southwest_Finnish 14.19
18 Finnish 17.02
19 Hungarian 17.07
20 Austrian 17.42

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 85.9% Orcadian + 14.1% Erzya @ 3.12
2 84.6% Orcadian + 15.4% Kargopol_Russian @ 3.34
3 61.1% Orcadian + 38.9% North_Swedish @ 3.55
4 81.7% Orcadian + 18.3% East_Finnish @ 3.55
5 85% Orcadian + 15% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 3.57
6 85% Orcadian + 15% Southwest_Russian @ 3.64
7 58.7% Danish + 41.3% Norwegian @ 3.65
8 82.7% Orcadian + 17.3% Ukrainian @ 3.65

This guys gets quite a high East Euro for an Englishman.
Didnt check the K15 averages datasheet but Im guessing his East Euro is somewhat above the Eng average.

J. Ketch

09-06-2020, 03:31 PM

This guys gets quite a high East Euro for an Englishman.
Didnt check the K15 averages datasheet but Im guessing his East Euro is somewhat above the Eng average.
It is high, but I've re-checked their GEDcom and all ancestry going back to the late 18th century is British, overwhelmingly from Lancashire/Cheshire.

WestMidlands5 gets low North Atlantic for an Englishman in K13 (45.43) and plots closest to South Dutch.

Distance to: WestMidlands5
3.78631747 South_Dutch
4.58172457 German_West
4.59755370 FRA_Armorica
4.87740710 West_German
5.08866387 FRA_Belgica
6.49943844 English
6.54448623 English_Midlands
6.79801442 FRA_Alsace
6.91224276 Southeast_English
6.91885829 English_North
7.02239987 Swiss_German2
7.74034883 Swiss_German
7.74311307 Welsh
7.97270343 Southwest_English
8.47583034 North_German
8.58326861 Orcadian
8.72331932 FRA_Central
9.25630596 Danish
9.38261158 Irish
9.68436369 Scottish
9.83710323 North-Dutch
10.09483036 West_Scottish
10.32175857 Swiss_French
11.23523476 Denmark
11.57561661 Norwegian

Token

09-06-2020, 04:01 PM

It is high, but I've re-checked their GEDcom and all ancestry going back to the late 18th century is British, overwhelmingly from Lancashire/Cheshire.
I thought it could be Viking but now i doubt it.

JamesBond007

09-06-2020, 04:16 PM

I've been hoping for something like this for England since forever. Thank you.

Hopefully they are legit I'm not saying Creoda is a liar but modern samples can be based on worth of mouth at least sometimes.

JamesBond007

09-06-2020, 04:16 PM

JamesBond007

09-06-2020, 04:17 PM

*edited out* *double post*

JamesBond007

09-06-2020, 04:20 PM

This guys gets quite a high East Euro for an Englishman.
Didnt check the K15 averages datasheet but Im guessing his East Euro is somewhat above the Eng average.

Some English people are closer to Danish and Dutch people than they are to the native English population, they are outliers, but can still be legit. If Danish people have more East Euro than English people which I guess they can off the top of my head since Swedish people definitely have more East Europe. I could be wrong though this is just a guess.

JamesBond007

09-06-2020, 04:31 PM

JamesBond007

09-06-2020, 04:56 PM

My K13 :

Distance to: Kevin
2.24784341 East_Midlands
2.48567898 West_Midlands
2.65804439 English_Midlands
3.22384863 English
3.33270161 English_North
3.46812630 Irish
3.47928154 NW_England
3.68688215 Welsh
3.84262931 Scottish
4.11368448 Orcadian
4.49547550 West_Scottish
4.76309773 Southwest_English
4.99629863 FRA_Armorica

My Eurogenes K15 :

Distance to: kevin
1.83820565 West_Midlands
2.24991111 English_Midlands
2.42870336 East_Midlands
2.51867028 Welsh
2.57858488 English_North
2.64450373 Yorkshire
2.70830205 England
2.74308221 Dutch
3.28980243 NW_England
3.69307460 Scotland
4.12688745 Southwest_English
4.22028435 Southeast_English
4.32428029 North_Dutch
4.53719076 FRA_Armorica
4.89272930 West_Scottish
4.95744894 Irish

RyoHazuki

09-07-2020, 01:30 AM

Using K13 individuals, I can model myself around 60% NW English (Lancashire), 40% Central France (North France + Iberian).

Target: RyoHazuki(English+French)
Distance: 2.1354% / 2.13539313
29.4 Lancs3
28.2 dududud_father(french_north)
20.8 Lancs4
9.8 Luso(portuguese)
6.6 Creoda(british-irish)
4.8 Firemonkey(british)
0.2 inactive-member(algerian)
0.2 gixajo_father_cousin(Spain)

J. Ketch

09-07-2020, 01:48 AM

Tooting Carmen

09-07-2020, 01:52 AM

Interesting how lots of them get Irish before Scottish or Welsh. Why do you think that's the case?

J. Ketch

09-07-2020, 02:00 AM

Interesting how lots of them get Irish before Scottish or Welsh. Why do you think that's the case?
Wouldn't read too much into it. All these pops are close and the Eurogenes averages aren't necessarily that accurate.

JamesBond007

09-07-2020, 02:17 AM

Eurogenes K15 :

Distance to: kevin
1.96073966 West_Midlands
2.51139404 East_Midlands
2.80319461 Yorkshire
3.04929500 Staffordshire1
3.38515879 NW_England
3.73162163 WestMidlands2
3.80536463 Yorks6
3.80740069 Derbyshire1
3.85455575 NE_Eng1
4.17582327 Yorks4
4.63803838 Yorks3
4.78785965 Lancs2
4.93187591 EastMidlands2
4.97374105 WestMidlands7
5.05940708 NE_Eng2
5.06430647 Lancs6
5.11819304 NW_Eng1
5.21528523 Yorks2
5.22407887 WestMidlands6
5.58669849 Lancs1
5.89025466 Staffordshire2
6.02430909 Derbyshire3
6.03233786 WestMidlands4
6.17786371 Yorks1
6.20280582 Lancs4

K13 :

Distanceto:Kevin
2.24784341 East_Midlands
2.42179685 Yorks1
2.48567898 West_Midlands
2.77794888 Cumbria1
2.82856854 NE_Eng1
3.12176232 Staffordshire1
3.15852814 WestMidlands3
3.31532804 NE_Eng2
3.42861488 WestMidlands4
3.47928154 NW_England
3.49521101 Lincolnshire1
3.52309523 Yorkshire
3.56433725 EastMidlands1
3.62095291 Derbyshire1
3.84036457 WestMidlands2
3.95046833 Derbyshire3
4.32226792 WestMidlands1
4.42490678 Yorks4
4.49041201 WestMidlands6
4.61261314 Yorks6
4.67791620 WestMidlands7
5.03780706 Yorks3
5.14675626 Derbyshire2
5.18029922 EastMidlands2
5.27101508 Yorks2

JamesBond007

09-07-2020, 02:23 AM

^ It seems K15 is slightly better for this IMHO not just because I get a closer distance but because it makes more sense overall to me given my ancestry and 'looks'.

JamesBond007

09-07-2020, 02:39 AM

I've been hoping for something like this for England since forever. Thank you.

Dude, looks like I wasted years on this DNA stuff all because there were not enough British samples unless of course more Scottish samples come out and I am closer to that (seems unlikely but possible). British genetics are highly diverse with significant regional differences.

w00t ! I think my DNA journey just ended !

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3d7x_RQb-VI

JamesBond007

09-07-2020, 07:57 AM

Wouldn't read too much into it. All these pops are close and the Eurogenes averages aren't necessarily that accurate.

I dunno, Eurogenes K13 and Eurogenes K15 seem pretty accurate for me with your samples. I think the K13 ordering can be more out of whack than K15 because it does not split North Sea from Atlantic son I think K15 is a bit more accurate here etc..

I think this shit is more accurate than G25 which has my number one population as Dutch. I'm not fucking Dutch man there is no way I'm Dutch I'm 75% British isles and 25% kraut.

In retrospect the most accurate things in a general sense come from Academic institutions as to be expected except one comes from Tolan (the French are crazy good a math like that). I could have saved myself a lot of time trusting the university of UCLA and stanford university (these basically just show I'm British the exact marker in the two of them is not to be taken literally I can still be midlands English). BTW, G25 is overrated and is not even optimized just for Europeans. G25 says I'm Dutch first and then Norwegian second that is crazy ! :

The university of UCLA's Analysis of my DNA :

https://i.postimg.cc/GmKMhsz0/UCLA.jpg

The University of Stanford analysis of my DNA (I am the black square the one that is almost exactly overlapping with a British flag):

https://i.postimg.cc/PxYYJghL/interpretome.png

Frenchman Tolan's Analysis of my DNA :

https://i.postimg.cc/d30spCWq/TOLAN.png

Graham

09-07-2020, 08:11 AM

My regional to do list (20+ Kits) and how many I have so far:

Cumbria - 2
NE England - 3
NW England - 14
Yorkshire - 12
West Midlands - 11
East Midlands - 7
Nth Wales - 2
Sth Wales - 2
SE England - 17
East England - 0
SW England - 1
Cornwall - 2
Leinster - 4
Munster - 2
Connacht - 2
Ulster/Northern Ireland - 9

I have a load of folk from Scotland, Wales, Western Gaelic Ireland and Northern England if you want the codes.

Edit: and Gaels from Nova Scotia.

J. Ketch

09-07-2020, 08:32 AM

I have a load of folk from Scotland, Wales, Western Gaelic Ireland and Northern England if you want the codes.

Edit: and Gaels from Nova Scotia.
That would be much appreciated.

I'm not doing Scotland because I can't make head nor tail of Scottish regions ;) I'll leave that to you.

Graham

09-07-2020, 08:42 AM

That would be much appreciated.

I'm not doing Scotland because I can't make head nor tail of Scottish regions ;) I'll leave that to you.

That is cool. will pm you them today some time. Away for more tea first.

Token

09-07-2020, 07:45 PM

Interesting how lots of them get Irish before Scottish or Welsh. Why do you think that's the case?

British & Irish are so similar that they are indistinguishable.

J. Ketch

09-10-2020, 02:00 AM

My updated tally for England:

Regions

Northwest England - 29
Southeast England - 19
West Midlands - 13
Yorkshire - 12
East Midlands - 9
Northeast England - 4
Southwest England - 4
East England - 2

Counties

Lancashire - 15
Yorkshire - 12
Staffordshire - 6
Cumbria - 4
Derbyshire - 4
Kent - 3
Lincolnshire - 2
Hampshire - 2
Middlesex - 2
Cornwall - 2
Durham - 1
Northumberland - 1
Bedfordshire - 1

Updated K13 averages (5+ kits)

Yorkshire,50.60,23.88,13.09,6.02,2.78,0.68,1.19,0. 05,0.23,0.58,0.65,0.08,0.13
NW_England,50.70,23.59,13.22,5.85,3.10,0.60,1.01,0 .17,0.24,0.62,0.37,0.20,0.26
West_Midlands,50.20,23.38,13.67,6.30,3.17,0.43,0.9 6,0.25,0.24,0.52,0.39,0.16,0.27
East_Midlands,49.62,23.24,14.31,6.57,3.23,0.57,0.7 3,0.18,0.06,0.28,0.43,0.37,0.34
SE_England,48.81,23.09,14.08,6.64,3.79,0.64,0.93,0 .34,0.24,0.57,0.39,0.26,0.13
Lancashire,50.33,24.04,12.95,5.91,3.27,0.67,0.87,0 .05,0.27,0.69,0.43,0.29,0.18
Staffordshire,50.68,23.93,13.09,5.68,3.57,0.36,1.3 3,0.14,0.05,0.48,0.51,0.09,0.04

Updated K15 averages (5+ kits)

Yorkshire,36.93,28.01,10.39,8.77,9.1,3.94,0.64,0.3 4,0.88,0,0.09,0.25,0.43,0.07,0.1
NW_England,36.51,28.58,9.98,9.12,9.02,3.68,0.97,0. 34,0.66,0.08,0.07,0.37,0.20,0.17,0.16
West_Midlands,36.33,28.42,9.88,8.79,9.35,4.71,0.53 ,0.34,0.59,0.08,0.08,0.29,0.23,0.12,0.17
East_Midlands,36.59,27.86,9.88,8.28,10.01,4.61,0.9 2,0.43,0.38,0.09,0,0.08,0.27,0.27,0.26
SE_England,34.97,27.98,9.65,9.07,9.89,4.85,1.39,0. 42,0.67,0.16,0.10,0.34,0.21,0.15,0.09
Lancashire,35.39,29.26,10.57,9.22,8.71,3.87,0.93,0 .39,0.50,0.00,0.11,0.41,0.24,0.22,0.10
Staffordshire,35.89,29.13,10.18,9.35,8.94,4.27,0.4 6,0.27,0.87,0,0,0.22,0.325,0.05,0

JamesBond007

09-10-2020, 02:07 AM

British & Irish are so similar that they are indistinguishable.

That is why when you mix the Irish, Germans and English together you basically get a British person because that is my mix and my genetics comes out British. :P

J. Ketch

09-10-2020, 02:09 AM

K13 distances

Distance to: Yorkshire
1.10022725 English
1.23426091 English_North
1.34249767 English_Midlands
1.78849098 Orcadian
2.34222117 Irish
2.92467092 Scottish
3.02086080 West_Scottish
3.05641947 Southeast_English
3.28100594 Southwest_English
3.60873939 North-Dutch
4.01211914 FRA_Armorica
4.26098580 Welsh
5.74567664 Danish
5.78096013 Denmark
5.94031144 North_German
5.94475399 Norwegian
6.37386853 Norway_South_Central
6.37560977 German_West
6.53606916 Sweden_Götaland
7.99352238 Sweden_Svealand_West
8.27757211 South_Dutch
8.49426277 Swedish
9.73338071 West_German
10.68820378 FRA_Belgica
12.13372985 Sweden_Svealand_East

Distance to: NW_England
0.99267316 English
1.24177293 English_Midlands
1.39165369 English_North
1.82860603 Orcadian
2.56154250 Irish
2.65258365 Southeast_English
2.98018456 Southwest_English
2.98191214 Scottish
3.04212097 West_Scottish
3.72008064 FRA_Armorica
3.88083754 North-Dutch
4.25018823 Welsh
5.98442144 Danish
6.08757751 Denmark
6.19879020 North_German
6.24954398 Norwegian
6.36211443 German_West
6.69035873 Norway_South_Central
6.84913863 Sweden_Götaland
8.07628008 South_Dutch
8.30476369 Sweden_Svealand_West
8.78727489 Swedish
9.57866379 West_German
10.44670283 FRA_Belgica
12.46898151 Sweden_Svealand_East

Distance to: West_Midlands
0.76269260 English_Midlands
0.88198639 English
1.56537535 English_North
2.52315279 Orcadian
2.75798840 Southeast_English
3.08386122 Southwest_English
3.12400384 Irish
3.17078855 FRA_Armorica
3.46801096 Scottish
3.71733776 West_Scottish
3.97806486 Welsh
4.45472783 North-Dutch
5.92212800 German_West
6.21781312 Danish
6.21989550 North_German
6.59245781 Denmark
6.75740335 Norwegian
7.23130694 Norway_South_Central
7.35675200 Sweden_Götaland
7.51739317 South_Dutch
8.75571813 Sweden_Svealand_West
9.02726426 West_German
9.17017448 Swedish
9.84714679 FRA_Belgica
12.01668007 FRA_Alsace

Distance to: East_Midlands
1.13674975 English_Midlands
1.38470213 English
2.12591157 English_North
2.61162784 FRA_Armorica
3.08353693 Southeast_English
3.27876501 Southwest_English
3.40928145 Orcadian
3.80053944 Welsh
3.91033247 Irish
4.28448363 Scottish
4.56575295 West_Scottish
5.20193233 North-Dutch
5.52089667 German_West
6.40062497 North_German
6.54282049 Danish
6.90225326 South_Dutch
7.20349915 Denmark
7.40575452 Norwegian
7.87124514 Norway_South_Central
7.95203747 Sweden_Götaland
8.45830952 West_German
9.15685536 FRA_Belgica
9.27627619 Sweden_Svealand_West
9.58753357 Swedish
11.34420998 FRA_Alsace

Distance to: SE_England
1.84054340 English
1.93277003 English_Midlands
2.17761337 FRA_Armorica
2.29736806 English_North
3.15268140 Southeast_English
3.93227669 Orcadian
4.07635867 Southwest_English
4.59903251 Welsh
4.64070038 Irish
4.66663690 German_West
4.92808279 Scottish
5.29861303 West_Scottish
5.51837838 North-Dutch
5.99105166 South_Dutch
6.00058330 North_German
6.39538115 Danish
7.44599221 Denmark
7.47675063 West_German
7.70159724 Norwegian
8.11807243 Norway_South_Central
8.18337950 Sweden_Götaland
8.31974759 FRA_Belgica
9.42744398 Sweden_Svealand_West
9.59774974 Swedish
10.44225550 FRA_Alsace

Distance to: Lancashire
0.83078276 English
0.93813645 English_North
1.66577309 English_Midlands
1.88605408 Orcadian
2.76025361 Southeast_English
2.79290172 Irish
3.37045991 Scottish
3.42900860 West_Scottish
3.49452429 North-Dutch
3.58651642 Southwest_English
3.85831569 FRA_Armorica
4.70381760 Welsh
5.37346257 Danish
5.55596976 North_German
5.63206889 Denmark
5.82709190 Norwegian
5.86642140 German_West
6.24681519 Norway_South_Central
6.39225312 Sweden_Götaland
7.81746122 Sweden_Svealand_West
7.89271183 South_Dutch
8.25169074 Swedish
9.29580551 West_German
10.34704789 FRA_Belgica
11.91413027 Sweden_Svealand_East

Distance to: Staffordshire
1.10326787 English
1.26043643 English_North
1.71499271 English_Midlands
1.94118520 Orcadian
2.28696305 Southeast_English
2.92439737 Irish
3.33621043 Southwest_English
3.35566685 West_Scottish
3.36217192 Scottish
3.61027700 North-Dutch
3.84569890 FRA_Armorica
4.87775563 Welsh
5.64853078 Danish
5.84136970 Denmark
5.89735534 North_German
6.09691725 Norwegian
6.19398902 German_West
6.46044116 Norway_South_Central
6.61452190 Sweden_Götaland
7.98961201 South_Dutch
8.04811158 Sweden_Svealand_West
8.47243767 Swedish
9.41968152 West_German
10.40871750 FRA_Belgica
12.22012684 Sweden_Svealand_East

K15 distances

Distance to: Yorkshire
1.03469802 English_Midlands
1.15974135 English_North
1.33431630 Welsh
1.52630272 England
1.92010416 Dutch
2.71162313 Scotland
3.14122588 Southeast_English
3.30307433 Southwest_English
3.44065401 North_Dutch
3.65208160 West_Scottish
3.74117629 Irish
3.90417725 Orcadian
4.32851014 FRA_Armorica
5.82036081 Danish
6.32138434 North_German
6.81513023 Belgium
7.09419481 Norway
7.41025641 Norwegian
7.68720365 Swedish
8.02747781 West_Norwegian
8.51474603 South_Dutch
9.02638355 North_Swedish
9.23912334 West_German
9.70553966 FRA_Belgica
10.89956421 German_Bavarian

Distance to: NW_England
0.96514248 England
1.56233799 Welsh
1.70273310 English_Midlands
1.90291881 English_North
2.19178010 Dutch
2.40154117 Southeast_English
2.44744765 Scotland
2.93203001 Southwest_English
3.21655095 West_Scottish
3.35736504 Irish
3.76997347 FRA_Armorica
3.80415562 North_Dutch
4.01184496 Orcadian
6.23785219 North_German
6.27422505 Danish
6.53084221 Belgium
7.54493870 Norway
7.89920249 Norwegian
8.13336339 Swedish
8.17563453 South_Dutch
8.52881586 West_Norwegian
9.30423022 North_Swedish
9.40921357 West_German
9.51387408 FRA_Belgica
10.66607707 German_Bavarian

Distance to: West_Midlands
1.19586789 England
1.20104121 Welsh
1.53886322 English_Midlands
2.12967134 English_North
2.63505218 Dutch
2.92496154 Southwest_English
3.00306510 Southeast_English
3.27181907 Scotland
3.83214039 FRA_Armorica
3.91465196 Irish
3.95850982 West_Scottish
4.27908869 North_Dutch
4.33198569 Orcadian
6.33772830 North_German
6.39542805 Belgium
6.79388696 Danish
8.00774001 Norway
8.05487430 South_Dutch
8.38541591 Norwegian
8.59670867 Swedish
9.00061665 West_Norwegian
9.28002155 FRA_Belgica
9.32947480 West_German
9.85396874 North_Swedish
10.44050765 German_Bavarian

Distance to: East_Midlands
1.33262898 English_Midlands
1.67657389 Welsh
1.92491558 England
2.07207625 English_North
2.55769427 Southwest_English
2.82402195 Dutch
3.31671524 Southeast_English
3.77786977 FRA_Armorica
3.78116384 Scotland
4.49054562 North_Dutch
4.56888389 Orcadian
4.57133460 Irish
4.64945158 West_Scottish
5.99687419 Belgium
6.79670508 North_German
6.97652492 Danish
7.88522669 South_Dutch
8.12499231 Norway
8.41270468 Norwegian
8.63791063 West_German
8.77924826 Swedish
8.79702222 FRA_Belgica
8.95959262 West_Norwegian
10.07440817 North_Swedish
10.21397082 German_Bavarian

Distance to: SE_England
2.24575154 England
2.39108762 Southwest_English
2.50535427 FRA_Armorica
2.63085537 English_Midlands
2.85359422 Welsh
3.00519550 English_North
3.03191359 Southeast_English
3.20062494 Dutch
4.31723291 Scotland
4.82429269 Irish
4.93722594 Belgium
5.07311541 West_Scottish
5.11054792 North_Dutch
5.78833309 Orcadian
5.87980442 North_German
6.34699141 South_Dutch
7.66017624 FRA_Belgica
7.69789582 Danish
8.16712924 West_German
8.68558576 Norway
8.80213042 German_Bavarian
9.04933699 Norwegian
9.23595691 Swedish
10.01025974 FRA_Alsace
10.06016898 West_Norwegian

Distance to: Lancashire
1.17940663 England
2.09076541 Southeast_English
2.63946964 Welsh
2.77211111 English_North
2.83287839 Irish
2.85310357 Dutch
2.86041955 English_Midlands
3.07055370 Southwest_English
3.19814008 West_Scottish
3.37376644 Scotland
3.43851712 FRA_Armorica
4.12197768 North_Dutch
5.06316107 Orcadian
5.34135751 North_German
6.30025396 Belgium
6.79699934 Danish
7.57155862 South_Dutch
8.10371520 Norway
8.49085979 Swedish
8.56437388 Norwegian
9.20723085 FRA_Belgica
9.47022703 West_Norwegian
9.52046217 North_Swedish
9.75360446 West_German
10.00948051 German_Bavarian

Distance to: Staffordshire
0.90217792 England
1.88836570 Welsh
2.30844645 English_Midlands
2.59411353 English_North
2.62299924 Southeast_English
2.82453979 Dutch
3.13976512 Scotland
3.17022476 Southwest_English
3.28848369 Irish
3.37791726 West_Scottish
3.76110688 FRA_Armorica
4.27836710 North_Dutch
4.61633242 Orcadian
5.90278112 North_German
6.69257238 Belgium
6.79292463 Danish
8.04659089 South_Dutch
8.05378327 Norway
8.49858959 Norwegian
8.52382103 Swedish
9.26754687 West_Norwegian
9.58058584 FRA_Belgica
9.63315239 North_Swedish
9.94843329 West_German
10.51061487 German_Bavarian

JamesBond007

09-10-2020, 02:14 AM

Coastal Elite

09-10-2020, 02:22 AM

My Mom - K13 (23andMe Raw data)

Distance to: Mom
2.15069756 Yorkshire
2.16882457 Lancashire
2.20571984 NW_England
2.40091649 Staffordshire
2.68281569 West_Midlands
3.47997126 East_Midlands
4.08384623 SE_England

Token

09-10-2020, 10:58 AM

That is why when you mix the Irish, Germans and English together you basically get a British person because that is my mix and my genetics comes out British. :P

West Germans are not very different from Brits either, they have similar ancient ancestry proportions. The difference is in more recent ancestry, with Brits being mostly Bell Beaker and Germans being mostly Battle Axe, as can be seen in Y-DNA proportions.

JerryS.

09-10-2020, 12:40 PM

I dunno, Eurogenes K13 and Eurogenes K15 seem pretty accurate for me with your samples. I think the K13 ordering can be more out of whack than K15 because it does not split North Sea from Atlantic son I think K15 is a bit more accurate here etc..

I think this shit is more accurate than G25 which has my number one population as Dutch. I'm not fucking Dutch man there is no way I'm Dutch I'm 75% British isles and 25% kraut.

In retrospect the most accurate things in a general sense come from Academic institutions as to be expected except one comes from Tolan (the French are crazy good a math like that). I could have saved myself a lot of time trusting the university of UCLA and stanford university (these basically just show I'm British the exact marker in the two of them is not to be taken literally I can still be midlands English). BTW, G25 is overrated and is not even optimized just for Europeans. G25 says I'm Dutch first and then Norwegian second that is crazy ! :

The university of UCLA's Analysis of my DNA :

https://i.postimg.cc/GmKMhsz0/UCLA.jpg

The University of Stanford analysis of my DNA (I am the black square the one that is almost exactly overlapping with a British flag):

https://i.postimg.cc/PxYYJghL/interpretome.png

Frenchman Tolan's Analysis of my DNA :

https://i.postimg.cc/d30spCWq/TOLAN.png

G25 coordinance and the vahaduo model are the latest thing that people prefer. it allows people to make their own Gedmatch if you will. of course its all dependent upon the populations used and how well those samples were vetted. I've read some issues with some samples and not being a best fit for a given ethnicity would be putting it mildly, but it is what it is. regarding the Eurogenes, I think what you are seeing is it trying to find a middle ground for your ethnicities rather than parting them out as one would prefer. Dutch or that region is generally a good halfway point for most anything UK and German. Scandinavian could be over fitting or because of so much overlapping DNA from the whole North Sea region the model just uses it as a happy medium. I've yet to see a calculator sort out the NW European groups reasonably well. they usually get over estimated and lumped into one midpoint group. I've gotten just about everything from 43% Scandinavian with a hodge podge of 20% UK pops as my primary to, 71% Shetlandic, to 15% British Isles and 50% German/French, to 80% Frisian... the rest of my stuff is southern and even that I can't get a solid consensus. All that said, I wouldn't be too critical on any model and its North Sea region breakdown. I haven't seen one get mine right yet but considering all the similarities they have I don't expect any one will. The now defunct Ethnogenes was pretty good in my opinion but it had my German spread all over the country.

J. Ketch

09-10-2020, 01:26 PM

Token

09-10-2020, 01:35 PM

And the Battle-Axe Haplogroups are?
Mainly R1a, R1b-U106 and I1. R1a clans weren't very succesful.

J. Ketch

09-10-2020, 01:49 PM

Mainly R1a, R1b-U106 and I1. R1a clans weren't very succesful.
So early Battle Axe had I1? Did that come from Funnelbeakers?

I'm curious how much of the R1a in Germany comes from pre-Slavs in the East, vs Germanic or Slavic R1a. Also how much of East Germany's eastern autosomal shift is due to Slavs or pre-Slavs.

Token

09-10-2020, 02:15 PM

So early Battle Axe had I1? Did that come from Funnelbeakers?
Yes, BAC had I1. The most recent common ancestor of all modern I1 is very young (4600ybp), which points to a founder effect around the same time as Battle Axe culture was kicking in. So far it looks like I1 was an almost extinct Hunter-Gatherer haplogroup in Scandinavia which managed to attain high social status sometime between LN and BA in Scandinavia and spread from there to the rest of Europe with Germanic peoples.

I'm curious how much of the R1a in Germany comes from pre-Slavs in the East, vs Germanic or Slavic R1a. Also how much of East Germany's eastern autosomal shift is due to Slavs or pre-Slavs.
The vast majority of it is Slavic without a shred of doubt. The eastern shift in East Germany is all due to Slavs too. Take a look at the Tollense battle samples in northeastern Germany, they look nothing like any modern pop (look at the distances) and have very weird proportions of EEF-WHG-Steppe. It is clear that they contributed nothing to present-day populations of the region.

Distance to: DEU_Tollense_BA:WEZ83
0.06109585 Slovakian
0.06418548 Swedish
0.06480593 Cossack_Kuban
0.06855496 Norwegian
0.06946194 Polish
0.06950709 Czech
0.07055393 Sorb_Niederlausitz
0.07095483 Icelandic
0.07114529 Dutch
0.07151699 Cossack_Ukrainian
0.07243584 Moldovan_o
0.07278894 German
0.07283896 Ukrainian
0.07339815 Russian_Kursk
0.07368475 German_East
0.07375051 Estonian
0.07386118 Danish
0.07390249 Finnish
0.07460815 Russian_Voronez
0.07467550 Ingrian
0.07474810 Orcadian
0.07506539 Russian_Tver
0.07540025 Lithuanian_PA
0.07540058 Russian_Orel
0.07553473 Hungarian

Distance to: DEU_Tollense_BA:WEZ59
0.06475266 German_East
0.06680599 Swedish
0.06891362 Icelandic
0.06895400 German
0.06920844 Czech
0.06982397 Sorb_Niederlausitz
0.06993339 Slovakian
0.07030120 Polish
0.07142976 Orcadian
0.07149427 Danish
0.07152957 Austrian
0.07202263 Dutch
0.07228409 French_Pas-de-Calais
0.07246712 English
0.07270585 Welsh
0.07342028 Afrikaner
0.07352614 English_Cornwall
0.07367883 French_Brittany
0.07410718 Scottish
0.07453721 Norwegian
0.07484705 Slovenian
0.07576613 Hungarian
0.07594888 Irish
0.07701890 Ukrainian
0.07720240 Cossack_Ukrainian

Distance to: DEU_Tollense_BA:WEZ58
0.08126806 Swedish
0.08487436 Polish
0.08569600 Finnish
0.08605445 German_East
0.08614970 Cossack_Ukrainian
0.08629412 Estonian
0.08762736 Ingrian
0.08767109 Russian_Voronez
0.08784685 Slovakian
0.08786720 Lithuanian_VA
0.08855741 Czech
0.08913332 Ukrainian
0.08913913 Cossack_Kuban
0.08916796 Belarusian
0.08959388 Icelandic
0.08970625 Lithuanian_PA
0.08974549 Sorb_Niederlausitz
0.08974684 Russian_Smolensk
0.09070896 Russian_Kursk
0.09089827 Russian_Orel
0.09166264 German
0.09168057 Dutch
0.09172973 Norwegian
0.09207218 Danish
0.09207687 Orcadian

Distance to: DEU_Tollense_BA:WEZ57
0.04239983 French_Paris
0.04301626 Swiss_German
0.04357829 French_Nord
0.04396632 French_Occitanie
0.04449055 Belgian
0.04584339 French_Alsace
0.04661202 French_Auvergne
0.04747736 Afrikaner
0.04760582 French_Pas-de-Calais
0.04824914 French_Brittany
0.04938329 German
0.04948302 Swiss_French
0.05125590 Welsh
0.05128850 French_Seine-Maritime
0.05148946 Austrian
0.05179539 Italian_Aosta_Valley
0.05190975 English_Cornwall
0.05285630 English
0.05336065 French_Provence
0.05394164 Dutch
0.05461589 Spanish_Penedes
0.05510567 Orcadian
0.05515678 Spanish_Girona
0.05541032 Scottish
0.05611640 Spanish_Mallorca

Distance to: DEU_Tollense_BA:WEZ56
0.05475256 Lithuanian_VZ
0.05483564 Lithuanian_VA
0.05500475 Lithuanian_SZ
0.05505482 Lithuanian_PZ
0.05516224 Lithuanian_PA
0.05549548 Latvian
0.05771721 Lithuanian_RA
0.06065908 Belarusian
0.06217453 Estonian
0.06300635 Russian_Smolensk
0.06490550 Polish
0.06626961 Cossack_Ukrainian
0.06627773 Russian_Orel
0.06643780 Russian_Voronez
0.06657630 Sorb_Niederlausitz
0.06760354 Russian_Tver
0.06774144 Ukrainian
0.06782744 Russian_Kursk
0.07416878 Slovakian
0.07898836 Czech
0.07905679 German_East
0.08072416 Ingrian
0.08116458 Cossack_Kuban
0.08125669 Swedish
0.08157005 Moldovan_o

Distance to: DEU_Tollense_BA:WEZ53
0.05577383 German_East
0.05584274 Slovenian
0.05768831 Austrian
0.05826673 German
0.05894190 French_Alsace
0.05921558 Croatian
0.05954961 French_Nord
0.06019242 Hungarian
0.06126941 Swiss_German
0.06157395 French_Occitanie
0.06233428 French_Pas-de-Calais
0.06241739 Belgian
0.06255602 French_Auvergne
0.06283406 Czech
0.06327053 French_Brittany
0.06361819 French_Seine-Maritime
0.06451957 English_Cornwall
0.06454042 Welsh
0.06506118 French_Paris
0.06529634 Orcadian
0.06564432 English
0.06576776 Danish
0.06577375 Afrikaner
0.06726768 Spanish_Barcelones
0.06738476 Dutch

Distance to: DEU_Tollense_BA:WEZ51
0.06272107 German_East
0.06464310 Czech
0.06589246 Danish
0.06709547 German
0.06803772 Hungarian
0.06926291 Swedish
0.06929647 Polish
0.06937832 Sorb_Niederlausitz
0.06950277 Slovenian
0.07018940 Croatian
0.07023554 Austrian
0.07118011 Dutch
0.07146435 Afrikaner
0.07194928 English_Cornwall
0.07203298 Welsh
0.07297284 Shetlandic
0.07297962 Orcadian
0.07305359 Slovakian
0.07314555 Icelandic
0.07333264 English
0.07362528 French_Brittany
0.07370584 Scottish
0.07428704 Ukrainian
0.07561476 Irish
0.07577629 French_Pas-de-Calais

Distance to: DEU_Tollense_BA:WEZ40
0.05444130 Polish
0.05553906 Sorb_Niederlausitz
0.05579722 Russian_Voronez
0.05658834 Belarusian
0.05700577 German_East
0.05716072 Ukrainian
0.05752008 Cossack_Ukrainian
0.05767311 Russian_Smolensk
0.05795833 Russian_Orel
0.05998875 Russian_Kursk
0.06018619 Czech
0.06198211 Estonian
0.06232325 Slovakian
0.06239381 Swedish
0.06247131 Lithuanian_PA
0.06310948 Finnish
0.06311573 Slovenian
0.06394982 Russian_Tver
0.06427681 Lithuanian_VA
0.06438688 Hungarian
0.06495175 Moldovan_o
0.06540680 Lithuanian_VZ
0.06667351 Russian_Kostroma
0.06755405 Cossack_Kuban
0.06831129 Lithuanian_RA

Distance to: DEU_Tollense_BA:WEZ35
0.05528936 Austrian
0.05545530 German
0.05683446 German_East
0.05736236 Czech
0.05777461 Slovenian
0.05815326 French_Pas-de-Calais
0.05826334 Croatian
0.05872550 Hungarian
0.06036611 Afrikaner
0.06039934 French_Brittany
0.06076896 French_Nord
0.06097381 French_Alsace
0.06172797 Slovakian
0.06224011 Welsh
0.06245144 Belgian
0.06365658 English_Cornwall
0.06388042 Swedish
0.06391677 English
0.06392214 French_Occitanie
0.06431817 Orcadian
0.06438041 French_Paris
0.06481866 Danish
0.06483563 French_Seine-Maritime
0.06490977 Dutch
0.06499143 Swiss_German

Distance to: DEU_Tollense_BA:WEZ15
0.05197955 Slovakian
0.05219037 Sorb_Niederlausitz
0.05483414 Polish
0.05608252 Czech
0.05807021 Cossack_Ukrainian
0.05892875 Swedish
0.05916872 Ukrainian
0.05919999 German_East
0.06208031 Lithuanian_PA
0.06248675 Russian_Voronez
0.06260982 Hungarian
0.06303709 Belarusian
0.06356905 Lithuanian_VA
0.06375394 German
0.06464368 Russian_Orel
0.06488297 Slovenian
0.06522723 Austrian
0.06560696 Russian_Smolensk
0.06582510 Russian_Kursk
0.06597446 Moldovan_o
0.06606467 Estonian
0.06662423 Croatian
0.06680060 Norwegian
0.06727070 Cossack_Kuban
0.06735495 Danish

Aren

09-10-2020, 04:29 PM

Refreshing thread, I feel like England has always been represented by the academic average from Kent on Gedmatch. Considering the rather strong uniformity in England and Britain as a whole I think we need 20+ samples from every region to get a clear picture but this is good work so far.

Regarding the haplgroups of the various Late Neolithic cultures in Northern Europe I believe we'll find the ground zero of R1a-L664, R1b-U106 and R1b-P312 to be in the Dutch-Danish Single Grave. Swedish-Norwegian Battle Axe might be more rich in R1a-Z284 and I1.

Token

09-10-2020, 05:48 PM

Overall, i believe Y-DNA is a very good way to differentiate between two closely related populations when autossomal is often not able to, even though it is prone to be affected by founder effects. I1 and R1b-S21 maps are more or less how i imagine the distribution of Germanic admixture throughout Europe. The ones below are just rough approximations since many regions coloured had only very few samples tested, someone with a lot of time nowadays could probably do much better.

https://www.eupedia.com/images/content/Germanic_Europe.gif

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/8LhYP62djW-m3YPs5ZgPe9rpeT-ZvCJDV4DTf3PX9-2HTjKP_dRizNw911eR5a_q7Jcz9gddt-phDH2FTCUueJgVIMgu3edBSAuYp4SKUw3SbY_5s2aFBijLM4qW ELNgW52xfw

David Johnson

09-11-2020, 12:22 AM

West Germans are not very different from Brits either, they have similar ancient ancestry proportions. The difference is in more recent ancestry, with Brits being mostly Bell Beaker and Germans being mostly Battle Axe, as can be seen in Y-DNA proportions.

So why do English seem so genetically close to other Brits autosomally, despite having a lot of Battle Axe Y dna, and low Beaker L21? According to the English Dna project some counties in South/East England have as low as 3-5% tested L21, that's basically a complete population replacement along the male line. Yet these people still overlap a lot with Welsh, Scottish etc who have very high L21. I've seen lots of English get Welsh as their top population on the G25. Seems like the Y dna stats in England contradict the autosomal data we have, as well as studies which have proposed a relatively low Anglo-Saxon contribution, so how can this be reconciled? The only answer I can think of is a very extreme founder effect/bottle neck in Germanic Y dna.

J. Ketch

09-11-2020, 12:45 AM

David Johnson

09-11-2020, 12:53 AM

Dutch overlap strongly with Scottish, Welsh and Irish too though, so that's more of a sign of deep, pre-Celt/Germanic ancestral similarities. Even small amounts of Celtic, Roman, Balto-Slavic or Finnic influence shift NW Euro populations away from each other more noticeably than huge amounts of Insular vs Germanic influence between NW Euro's, eg in England or Iceland, both of whom have 30-40% Germanic or Insular influence, yet are still almost genetically indistinguishable from other Brits/Nordics. By contrast I think Southern Swedes often plot closer to British/Irish than to Northern Swedes, only because the latter has a small amount of Finnic influence.

I see your point with the Dutch who do often overlap on gedmatch with Brits/Irish. But if the celtic vs germanic pca for example, is meant to display drift, then English are still very close to England IA and England Roman and more distant from say the Dutch.

https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-o5bLx1NoVV0/W55Qai-4VTI/AAAAAAAAHN8/3vDHMJFj_aw1SusVi1O_16Uf_txWhncPgCLcBGAs/s1600/Celto-Germanic_PCA2.png

Token

09-11-2020, 12:56 AM

So why do English seem so genetically close to other Brits autosomally, despite having a lot of Battle Axe Y dna, and low Beaker L21? According to the English Dna project some counties in South/East England have as low as 3-5% tested L21, that's basically a complete population replacement along the male line. Yet these people still overlap a lot with Welsh, Scottish etc who have very high L21. I've seen lots of English get Welsh as their top population on the G25. Seems like the Y dna stats in England contradict the autosomal data we have, as well as studies which have proposed a relatively low Anglo-Saxon contribution, so how can this be reconciled? The only answer I can think of is a very extreme founder effect/bottle neck in Germanic Y dna.

There is a huge overlap between all Northwestern Europeans, not only between British & Irish. The fact is: no software can really differentiate Iron Age Britons and Anglo-Saxons. David Reich tried using a very complex software which looks at rare allele sharing in relation to two sets of outgroups, but the standard deviations are so high that the estimate of Anglo-Saxon admixture inferred over the same set of samples can be anywhere between 10% to 60%. That is how an Northwestern European PCA looks like:

https://anthrogenica.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=39137&d=1598280372

For example, these are the closest pops of one of the Iron Age Britons:

Distance to: England_IA:I0789
0.03413877 Norwegian
0.03590659 Dutch
0.03688027 German
0.03765129 Swedish
0.03909567 Welsh
0.03995562 French_Brittany
0.03999571 Scottish
0.04013691 English
0.04023915 Shetlandic
0.04063351 Orcadian
0.04068772 Irish
0.04076546 Icelandic
0.04197249 Afrikaner
0.04250078 Danish
0.04252580 Austrian
0.04259293 French_Pas-de-Calais
0.04358621 English_Cornwall
0.04470408 Belgian
0.04630650 Czech
0.04646857 Slovakian
0.04775787 French_Nord
0.04818030 German_East
0.04828649 Hungarian
0.04942192 French_Seine-Maritime
0.05011226 French_Alsace

People may call me too conservative. Why not just run one of these horrendously overfitted Global25 models that users post daily and take the estimates as absolute? That is what most people do, people who are clueless about how statistics works. My point is: no one can estimate with total confidence how much Anglo-Saxon the English realy are at the moment.

David Johnson

09-11-2020, 01:00 AM

There is a huge overlap between all Northwestern Europeans, not only between British & Irish. The fact is: no software can really differentiate Iron Age Britons and Anglo-Saxons. David Reich tried using a very complex software which looks at rare allele sharing, but the standard deviations are so high that the estimate of Anglo-Saxon admixture inferred over the same set of samples can be anywhere between 10% to 60%. That is how an Northwestern European PCA looks like:

https://anthrogenica.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=39137&d=1598280372

For example, these are the closest pops of one of the Iron Age Britons:

Distance to: England_IA:I0789
0.03413877 Norwegian
0.03590659 Dutch
0.03688027 German
0.03765129 Swedish
0.03909567 Welsh
0.03995562 French_Brittany
0.03999571 Scottish
0.04013691 English
0.04023915 Shetlandic
0.04063351 Orcadian
0.04068772 Irish
0.04076546 Icelandic
0.04197249 Afrikaner
0.04250078 Danish
0.04252580 Austrian
0.04259293 French_Pas-de-Calais
0.04358621 English_Cornwall
0.04470408 Belgian
0.04630650 Czech
0.04646857 Slovakian
0.04775787 French_Nord
0.04818030 German_East
0.04828649 Hungarian
0.04942192 French_Seine-Maritime
0.05011226 French_Alsace

People may call me too conservative. Why not just run one of these horrendously overfitted Global25 models that users post daily and take the estimates as absolute? That is what most people do, people who are clueless about how statistics works. My point is: no one can estimate with total confidence how much Anglo-Saxon the English realy are at the moment.

I think the other issue is that modern English have more neolithic and less steppe than both iron age Briton samples and Anglo-Saxon samples so a two way model between them doesn't work. This is at least with the G25, I cannot speak for qpAdm or other advanced tools. I believe Reich has said he believes there to be something missing when it comes to the ethnogenesis of English.

Token

09-11-2020, 01:06 AM

I think the other issue is that modern English have more neolithic and less steppe than both iron age Briton samples and Anglo-Saxon samples so a two way model between them doesn't work. This is at least with the G25, I cannot speak for qpAdm or other advanced tools. I believe Reich has said he believes there seems to be something missing when it comes to the ethnogenesis of English.
Yes, i was going to write about that. The English are likely far more complex that just a two-way mixture between Anglo-Saxons and Britons, so Reich's model is bound to be an failure. And when the formation of the genepool involves too many admixture events we also have to deal with the problem that tools for estimating admixture can't deal with more than 3 references save a few exceptions (very distal models), especially when they are closely related as all Europeans are.

J. Ketch

09-11-2020, 01:13 AM

I see your point with the Dutch who do often overlap on gedmatch with Brits/Irish. But if the celtic vs germanic pca for example, is meant to display drift, then English are still very close to England IA and England Roman and more distant from say the Dutch.

https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-o5bLx1NoVV0/W55Qai-4VTI/AAAAAAAAHN8/3vDHMJFj_aw1SusVi1O_16Uf_txWhncPgCLcBGAs/s1600/Celto-Germanic_PCA2.png
But if you've seen people's results on that PCA, most English fall within the Dutch cluster(s), the others are more outliers.
https://i.postimg.cc/MKVGt42v/140819.png
https://i.postimg.cc/g2XTL7bG/10919.png
Dutch North = Blue
Dutch Central = Orange
Dutch South = Green
English = Red

Only 4 here of about 20 don't, and one of those is right next to Icelandics/Norwegians. By contrast only 1 or 2 fall within the Irish/Scottish/Welsh clusters.

J. Ketch

09-11-2020, 01:57 AM

Yes, i was going to write about that. The English are likely far more complex that just a two-way mixture between Anglo-Saxons and Britons, so Reich's model is bound to be an failure. And when the formation of the genepool involves too many admixture events we also have to deal with the problem that tools for estimating admixture can't deal with more than 3 references save a few exceptions (very distal models), especially when they are closely related as all Europeans are.
I believe the ethnogenesis of the English was mostly in Southeast/East England in the 5th century, with invading Anglo-Saxon men mixing with the most Romanised (and previously Celticised) Briton women, those who probably weren't even culturally Celtic anymore, hence the lack of Celtic influence in the English language. Those were already genetically different from Britons in Wales, Caledonia and much of England, probably having a small amount of Roman/Med influence. Those initial mixed Anglo-Britons then conquered and replaced the rest of England over the next 2 centuries, gradually picking up slightly more native Briton ancestry as they went further West and North.

Token

09-11-2020, 02:12 AM

I believe the ethnogenesis of the English was mostly in Southeast/East England in the 5th century, with invading Anglo-Saxons mixing with the most Romanised (and previously Celticised) Britons, those who probably weren't even culturally Celtic anymore, hence the lack of Celtic influence in the English language. Those were already genetically different from Britons in Wales, Caledonia and much of England, probably having a small amount of Roman/Med influence. Those initial mixed Anglo-Britons then conquered and replaced the rest of England, gradually picking up slightly more native Briton ancestry as they went further West and North.
Pretty sure Danes and Normans did have an impact too. Many commonplace English words are borrowed from Old Norse, which is always a clue to settlement initiatives. Norman admixture might partially explain the southern shift in parts of England.

J. Ketch

09-11-2020, 02:26 AM

Pretty sure Danes and Normans did have an impact too. Many commonplace English words are borrowed from Old Norse, which is always a clue to settlement initiatives. Norman admixture might partially explain the southern shift in parts of England.
Of course, I just think it was relatively minor, and the English were basically who they are already in the 7th/8th centuries. The Danish+Norwegian influence is probably similar to that in Ireland, 5-10% in the Danelaw areas. I've never thought Normans had a significant genetic impact but who knows, the massive number of Norman surnames in England suggests otherwise and I wouldn't be enormously surprised if they did contribute around 5% or above in some parts.

Davystayn

09-11-2020, 10:24 AM

There is a huge overlap between all Northwestern Europeans, not only between British & Irish. The fact is: no software can really differentiate Iron Age Britons and Anglo-Saxons. David Reich tried using a very complex software which looks at rare allele sharing in relation to two sets of outgroups, but the standard deviations are so high that the estimate of Anglo-Saxon admixture inferred over the same set of samples can be anywhere between 10% to 60%. That is how an Northwestern European PCA looks like:

https://anthrogenica.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=39137&d=1598280372

For example, these are the closest pops of one of the Iron Age Britons:

Distance to: England_IA:I0789
0.03413877 Norwegian
0.03590659 Dutch
0.03688027 German
0.03765129 Swedish
0.03909567 Welsh
0.03995562 French_Brittany
0.03999571 Scottish
0.04013691 English
0.04023915 Shetlandic
0.04063351 Orcadian
0.04068772 Irish
0.04076546 Icelandic
0.04197249 Afrikaner
0.04250078 Danish
0.04252580 Austrian
0.04259293 French_Pas-de-Calais
0.04358621 English_Cornwall
0.04470408 Belgian
0.04630650 Czech
0.04646857 Slovakian
0.04775787 French_Nord
0.04818030 German_East
0.04828649 Hungarian
0.04942192 French_Seine-Maritime
0.05011226 French_Alsace

People may call me too conservative. Why not just run one of these horrendously overfitted Global25 models that users post daily and take the estimates as absolute? That is what most people do, people who are clueless about how statistics works. My point is: no one can estimate with total confidence how much Anglo-Saxon the English realy are at the moment.

The could indicate why most studies plump for the 35% or so mark, the basic mid point between 10-60%, after the pressure for an answer

Jana

09-12-2020, 02:20 PM

English entirely from West Midlands (had gedcom! I checked 4-5 generations back).

Seems bit more south shifted than the average

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 48.58
2 Baltic 21.93
3 West_Med 14.42
4 East_Med 6.66
5 West_Asian 4.14
6 Red_Sea 1.08
7 Amerindian 0.94
8 Sub-Saharan 0.88
9 South_Asian 0.88
10 Oceanian 0.31
11 East_Asian 0.18

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Southeast_English 2.89
2 South_Dutch 4.34
3 Southwest_English 4.76
4 Orcadian 5.34
5 West_German 5.65
6 North_Dutch 6.35
7 Irish 6.43
8 West_Scottish 6.44
9 Danish 6.57
10 North_German 7.12
11 Norwegian 8.81
12 French 8.82
13 Swedish 10.52
14 Austrian 12.56
15 East_German 13.49
16 North_Swedish 15.79
17 Spanish_Cataluna 15.89
18 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 17.06
19 Hungarian 17.13
20 Spanish_Galicia 17.39

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 94.7% Southeast_English + 5.3% Tunisian @ 0.99
2 94.6% Southeast_English + 5.4% Algerian @ 1.04
3 94.7% Southeast_English + 5.3% Mozabite_Berber @ 1.05
4 94.9% Southeast_English + 5.1% Moroccan @ 1.18
5 95.7% Southeast_English + 4.3% Egyptian @ 1.32
6 94.6% Southeast_English + 5.4% Algerian_Jewish @ 1.35
7 95% Southeast_English + 5% Libyan_Jewish @ 1.38
8 95% Southeast_English + 5% Tunisian_Jewish @ 1.38
9 94.6% Southeast_English + 5.4% Sephardic_Jewish @ 1.41
10 95.8% Southeast_English + 4.2% Bedouin @ 1.43
11 93.2% Southeast_English + 6.8% West_Sicilian @ 1.44
12 94.6% Southeast_English + 5.4% Italian_Jewish @ 1.44
13 77.7% Southeast_English + 22.3% French @ 1.46
14 91.8% Southeast_English + 8.2% Tuscan @ 1.47
15 96.4% Southeast_English + 3.6% Yemenite_Jewish @ 1.48
16 94.1% Southeast_English + 5.9% Ashkenazi @ 1.49
17 95.8% Southeast_English + 4.2% Palestinian @ 1.49
18 96.3% Southeast_English + 3.7% Saudi @ 1.51
19 96% Southeast_English + 4% Samaritan @ 1.52
20 93.9% Southeast_English + 6.1% East_Sicilian @ 1.53

Distance to: NN

3.01288898 FRA_Armorica
3.20654019 Southeast_English
4.70859852 English
4.87187849 South_Dutch
5.04537412 English_North
5.13066273 English_Midlands
5.44643002 Southwest_English
5.76560491 German_West
6.09008210 Orcadian
6.47744548 West_German
6.71274162 FRA_Belgica
7.40883257 Irish
7.41609061 West_Scottish
7.42194718 Scottish
7.46272068 Welsh
7.73870790 North-Dutch
8.01933912 Danish
8.02171428 North_German
9.19935867 FRA_Alsace
9.30342410 Swiss_German2
9.50513019 Denmark
9.98317084 Norwegian
10.03675744 FRA_Central
10.03692184 Swiss_German
10.09548414 Norway_South_Central

Distance to: NN

3.01288898 FRA_Armorica
3.20654019 Southeast_English
4.12961257 SE_England
4.65234350 East_Midlands
4.70859852 English
4.81736442 West_Midlands
4.87187849 South_Dutch
4.87738660 Staffordshire
5.01229488 NW_England
5.02090629 Lancashire
5.42038744 Yorkshire
5.44643002 Southwest_English
5.76560491 German_West
6.09008210 Orcadian
6.47744548 West_German
6.71274162 FRA_Belgica
7.40883257 Irish
7.41609061 West_Scottish
7.42194718 Scottish
7.46272068 Welsh
7.73870790 North-Dutch
8.01933912 Danish
8.02171428 North_German
9.19935867 FRA_Alsace
9.30342410 Swiss_German2
9.50513019 Denmark
9.98317084 Norwegian

Target: NN
Distance: 0.6205% / 0.62046475

74.2 Southeast_English
13.4 West_Scottish
8.6 Swiss_Italian
1.4 Yemenite_Jewish
1.2 Spanish_Aragon
0.8 Yoruban
0.2 Karitiana
0.2 Norway_South_Central

Target: NN
Distance: 0.9237% / 0.92370701 | ADC: 0.25x

85.4 Southeast_English
5.8 FRA_Belgica
3.8 Spanish_Murcia
3.0 South_Dutch
1.4 Yemenite_Jewish
0.4 Yoruban
0.2 Swiss_Italian

K15

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Sea 40.95
2 Atlantic 23.28
3 West_Med 11.33
4 Baltic 7.95
5 Eastern_Euro 7.2
6 East_Med 4.62
7 West_Asian 1.95
8 Sub-Saharan 0.82
9 Amerindian 0.62
10 South_Asian 0.57
11 Red_Sea 0.56
12 Oceanian 0.13
13 Northeast_African 0.02

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 West_German 7.21
2 Orcadian 7.3
3 Southwest_English 7.67
4 West_Norwegian 7.78
5 North_Dutch 7.95
6 Southeast_English 8.24
7 Norwegian 8.24
8 Danish 8.86
9 West_Scottish 9.02
10 Irish 9.45
11 Swedish 9.86
12 South_Dutch 10.61
13 North_German 10.98
14 French 12.32
15 North_Swedish 13.21
16 East_German 16.36
17 Spanish_Galicia 18.93
18 Southwest_Finnish 19.58
19 Hungarian 19.66
20 Spanish_Cataluna 19.97

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 88.3% West_Norwegian + 11.7% Sardinian @ 4.71
2 74.9% West_Norwegian + 25.1% Spanish_Galicia @ 4.79
3 76.6% West_Norwegian + 23.4% Portuguese @ 4.9
4 78.5% West_Norwegian + 21.5% Spanish_Extremadura @ 5.08
5 78.7% West_Norwegian + 21.3% Spanish_Murcia @ 5.15
6 66% West_Norwegian + 34% French @ 5.26
7 53.7% West_German + 46.3% West_Norwegian @ 5.26
8 50.6% West_German + 49.4% Orcadian @ 5.26
9 81% West_Norwegian + 19% North_Italian @ 5.29
10 77.2% West_Norwegian + 22.8% Spanish_Cataluna @ 5.29
11 78.6% West_Norwegian + 21.4% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 5.39
12 83.8% West_Norwegian + 16.2% Tuscan @ 5.49
13 82.4% West_Norwegian + 17.6% Spanish_Andalucia @ 5.54
14 80.3% West_Norwegian + 19.7% Spanish_Cantabria @ 5.54
15 81.5% West_Norwegian + 18.5% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 5.57
16 81.6% West_Norwegian + 18.4% Spanish_Valencia @ 5.62
17 88.4% West_Norwegian + 11.6% Italian_Jewish @ 5.64
18 88.9% West_Norwegian + 11.1% Algerian_Jewish @ 5.64
19 82.1% West_Norwegian + 17.9% Spanish_Aragon @ 5.64
20 89.5% West_Norwegian + 10.5% Algerian @ 5.68

Distance to: NN

8.12547845 English_Midlands
8.13137135 English_North
8.35568070 Dutch
8.40690193 West_German
8.43242551 Orcadian
8.59700529 Scotland
8.76374349 Welsh
8.85594715 West_Norwegian
8.94119120 Southwest_English
9.09738974 North_Dutch
9.41089263 Norwegian
9.47866024 England
9.56828093 Danish
9.57537989 Southeast_English
9.87135249 FRA_Armorica
9.94228344 Belgium
9.94861799 Norway
10.41858436 West_Scottish
10.92459610 Irish
10.99304780 Swedish
11.95465181 FRA_Belgica
12.15192166 North_Swedish
12.39768930 South_Dutch
12.65654376 North_German
13.46818845 Swiss_German

Distance to: NN

8.25494397 East_Midlands
8.35568070 Dutch
8.40690193 West_German
8.43242551 Orcadian
8.52220629 Yorkshire
8.59700529 Scotland
8.76374349 Welsh
8.82395036 NW_England
8.85594715 West_Norwegian
8.94119120 Southwest_English
9.09738974 North_Dutch
9.10497117 West_Midlands
9.26602396 SE_England
9.41089263 Norwegian
9.47866024 England
9.56828093 Danish
9.57537989 Southeast_English
9.87135249 FRA_Armorica
9.94228344 Belgium
9.94327034 Staffordshire
9.94861799 Norway
10.12198597 Lancashire
10.41858436 West_Scottish
10.92459610 Irish
10.99304780 Swedish

Target: NN
Distance: 5.0449% / 5.04489744

67.0 West_Norwegian
21.4 Orcadian
7.6 Sardinian
4.0 Libyan_Jewish

Very big distances on K15, unlike K13

J. Ketch

09-12-2020, 02:32 PM

English entirely from West Midlands (had gedcom! I checked 4-5 generations back). You can too
Kit A266083

Seems bit more south shifted than the average

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 48.58
2 Baltic 21.93
3 West_Med 14.42
4 East_Med 6.66
5 West_Asian 4.14
6 Red_Sea 1.08
7 Amerindian 0.94
8 Sub-Saharan 0.88
9 South_Asian 0.88
10 Oceanian 0.31
11 East_Asian 0.18

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Southeast_English 2.89
2 South_Dutch 4.34
3 Southwest_English 4.76
4 Orcadian 5.34
5 West_German 5.65
6 North_Dutch 6.35
7 Irish 6.43
8 West_Scottish 6.44
9 Danish 6.57
10 North_German 7.12
11 Norwegian 8.81
12 French 8.82
13 Swedish 10.52
14 Austrian 12.56
15 East_German 13.49
16 North_Swedish 15.79
17 Spanish_Cataluna 15.89
18 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 17.06
19 Hungarian 17.13
20 Spanish_Galicia 17.39

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 94.7% Southeast_English + 5.3% Tunisian @ 0.99
2 94.6% Southeast_English + 5.4% Algerian @ 1.04
3 94.7% Southeast_English + 5.3% Mozabite_Berber @ 1.05
4 94.9% Southeast_English + 5.1% Moroccan @ 1.18
5 95.7% Southeast_English + 4.3% Egyptian @ 1.32
6 94.6% Southeast_English + 5.4% Algerian_Jewish @ 1.35
7 95% Southeast_English + 5% Libyan_Jewish @ 1.38
8 95% Southeast_English + 5% Tunisian_Jewish @ 1.38
9 94.6% Southeast_English + 5.4% Sephardic_Jewish @ 1.41
10 95.8% Southeast_English + 4.2% Bedouin @ 1.43
11 93.2% Southeast_English + 6.8% West_Sicilian @ 1.44
12 94.6% Southeast_English + 5.4% Italian_Jewish @ 1.44
13 77.7% Southeast_English + 22.3% French @ 1.46
14 91.8% Southeast_English + 8.2% Tuscan @ 1.47
15 96.4% Southeast_English + 3.6% Yemenite_Jewish @ 1.48
16 94.1% Southeast_English + 5.9% Ashkenazi @ 1.49
17 95.8% Southeast_English + 4.2% Palestinian @ 1.49
18 96.3% Southeast_English + 3.7% Saudi @ 1.51
19 96% Southeast_English + 4% Samaritan @ 1.52
20 93.9% Southeast_English + 6.1% East_Sicilian @ 1.53

Distance to: NN

3.01288898 FRA_Armorica
3.20654019 Southeast_English
4.70859852 English
4.87187849 South_Dutch
5.04537412 English_North
5.13066273 English_Midlands
5.44643002 Southwest_English
5.76560491 German_West
6.09008210 Orcadian
6.47744548 West_German
6.71274162 FRA_Belgica
7.40883257 Irish
7.41609061 West_Scottish
7.42194718 Scottish
7.46272068 Welsh
7.73870790 North-Dutch
8.01933912 Danish
8.02171428 North_German
9.19935867 FRA_Alsace
9.30342410 Swiss_German2
9.50513019 Denmark
9.98317084 Norwegian
10.03675744 FRA_Central
10.03692184 Swiss_German
10.09548414 Norway_South_Central

Distance to: NN

3.01288898 FRA_Armorica
3.20654019 Southeast_English
4.12961257 SE_England
4.65234350 East_Midlands
4.70859852 English
4.81736442 West_Midlands
4.87187849 South_Dutch
4.87738660 Staffordshire
5.01229488 NW_England
5.02090629 Lancashire
5.42038744 Yorkshire
5.44643002 Southwest_English
5.76560491 German_West
6.09008210 Orcadian
6.47744548 West_German
6.71274162 FRA_Belgica
7.40883257 Irish
7.41609061 West_Scottish
7.42194718 Scottish
7.46272068 Welsh
7.73870790 North-Dutch
8.01933912 Danish
8.02171428 North_German
9.19935867 FRA_Alsace
9.30342410 Swiss_German2
9.50513019 Denmark
9.98317084 Norwegian

Target: NN
Distance: 0.6205% / 0.62046475

74.2 Southeast_English
13.4 West_Scottish
8.6 Swiss_Italian
1.4 Yemenite_Jewish
1.2 Spanish_Aragon
0.8 Yoruban
0.2 Karitiana
0.2 Norway_South_Central

Target: NN
Distance: 0.9237% / 0.92370701 | ADC: 0.25x

85.4 Southeast_English
5.8 FRA_Belgica
3.8 Spanish_Murcia
3.0 South_Dutch
1.4 Yemenite_Jewish
0.4 Yoruban
0.2 Swiss_Italian

K15

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Sea 40.95
2 Atlantic 23.28
3 West_Med 11.33
4 Baltic 7.95
5 Eastern_Euro 7.2
6 East_Med 4.62
7 West_Asian 1.95
8 Sub-Saharan 0.82
9 Amerindian 0.62
10 South_Asian 0.57
11 Red_Sea 0.56
12 Oceanian 0.13
13 Northeast_African 0.02

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 West_German 7.21
2 Orcadian 7.3
3 Southwest_English 7.67
4 West_Norwegian 7.78
5 North_Dutch 7.95
6 Southeast_English 8.24
7 Norwegian 8.24
8 Danish 8.86
9 West_Scottish 9.02
10 Irish 9.45
11 Swedish 9.86
12 South_Dutch 10.61
13 North_German 10.98
14 French 12.32
15 North_Swedish 13.21
16 East_German 16.36
17 Spanish_Galicia 18.93
18 Southwest_Finnish 19.58
19 Hungarian 19.66
20 Spanish_Cataluna 19.97

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 88.3% West_Norwegian + 11.7% Sardinian @ 4.71
2 74.9% West_Norwegian + 25.1% Spanish_Galicia @ 4.79
3 76.6% West_Norwegian + 23.4% Portuguese @ 4.9
4 78.5% West_Norwegian + 21.5% Spanish_Extremadura @ 5.08
5 78.7% West_Norwegian + 21.3% Spanish_Murcia @ 5.15
6 66% West_Norwegian + 34% French @ 5.26
7 53.7% West_German + 46.3% West_Norwegian @ 5.26
8 50.6% West_German + 49.4% Orcadian @ 5.26
9 81% West_Norwegian + 19% North_Italian @ 5.29
10 77.2% West_Norwegian + 22.8% Spanish_Cataluna @ 5.29
11 78.6% West_Norwegian + 21.4% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 5.39
12 83.8% West_Norwegian + 16.2% Tuscan @ 5.49
13 82.4% West_Norwegian + 17.6% Spanish_Andalucia @ 5.54
14 80.3% West_Norwegian + 19.7% Spanish_Cantabria @ 5.54
15 81.5% West_Norwegian + 18.5% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 5.57
16 81.6% West_Norwegian + 18.4% Spanish_Valencia @ 5.62
17 88.4% West_Norwegian + 11.6% Italian_Jewish @ 5.64
18 88.9% West_Norwegian + 11.1% Algerian_Jewish @ 5.64
19 82.1% West_Norwegian + 17.9% Spanish_Aragon @ 5.64
20 89.5% West_Norwegian + 10.5% Algerian @ 5.68

Distance to: NN

8.12547845 English_Midlands
8.13137135 English_North
8.35568070 Dutch
8.40690193 West_German
8.43242551 Orcadian
8.59700529 Scotland
8.76374349 Welsh
8.85594715 West_Norwegian
8.94119120 Southwest_English
9.09738974 North_Dutch
9.41089263 Norwegian
9.47866024 England
9.56828093 Danish
9.57537989 Southeast_English
9.87135249 FRA_Armorica
9.94228344 Belgium
9.94861799 Norway
10.41858436 West_Scottish
10.92459610 Irish
10.99304780 Swedish
11.95465181 FRA_Belgica
12.15192166 North_Swedish
12.39768930 South_Dutch
12.65654376 North_German
13.46818845 Swiss_German

Distance to: NN

8.25494397 East_Midlands
8.35568070 Dutch
8.40690193 West_German
8.43242551 Orcadian
8.52220629 Yorkshire
8.59700529 Scotland
8.76374349 Welsh
8.82395036 NW_England
8.85594715 West_Norwegian
8.94119120 Southwest_English
9.09738974 North_Dutch
9.10497117 West_Midlands
9.26602396 SE_England
9.41089263 Norwegian
9.47866024 England
9.56828093 Danish
9.57537989 Southeast_English
9.87135249 FRA_Armorica
9.94228344 Belgium
9.94327034 Staffordshire
9.94861799 Norway
10.12198597 Lancashire
10.41858436 West_Scottish
10.92459610 Irish
10.99304780 Swedish

Target: NN
Distance: 5.0449% / 5.04489744

67.0 West_Norwegian
21.4 Orcadian
7.6 Sardinian
4.0 Libyan_Jewish

Very big distances on K15, unlike K13
Nice one :thumb001: Thanks. Will add them to the WM references.

J. Ketch

09-12-2020, 02:52 PM

English entirely from West Midlands (had gedcom! I checked 4-5 generations back).

Just checked the GEDcom, they're largely from Shropshire (border county with Wales) and Worcestershire, also some Wolverhampton. My West Midlands kits so far are biased towards Staffordshire, don't have many from Shropshire/Salop or south of Birmingham. My East Midlands kits are biased towards Derbyshire and some from Lincolnshire.

Jana

09-12-2020, 03:34 PM

Just checked the GEDcom, they're largely from Shropshire (border county with Wales) and Worcestershire, also some Wolverhampton. My West Midlands kits so far are biased towards Staffordshire, don't have many from Shropshire/Salop or south of Birmingham. My East Midlands kits are biased towards Derbyshire and some from Lincolnshire.

I hope it was helpful addition for your database! :) I know some of these counties names from Peaky Blinders which is set in Birmingham hehe.

Graham

09-15-2020, 06:12 PM

Leto

09-15-2020, 11:45 PM

Mostly Worcestershire, some Suffolk (at least 3 generations back)

K13:
North_Atlantic 49.84 Pct
Baltic 21.69 Pct
West_Med 13.61 Pct
West_Asian 6.10 Pct
East_Med 6.20 Pct
Red_Sea 1.20 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian -
Oceanian 0.39 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 0.99 Pct

Distance to: Helen
3.28257521 Southeast_English
3.40888545 FRA_Armorica
3.80574566 English_Midlands
3.96816078 English
4.72012712 English_North
4.72163107 Southwest_English
5.46337808 Orcadian
5.93609299 German_West
6.01001664 Scottish
6.04729692 South_Dutch
6.22668451 Irish
6.24454962 West_Scottish
6.52394053 Welsh
6.93038238 North-Dutch
7.43450738 West_German
7.63345924 North_German
7.98264994 FRA_Belgica
8.08653201 Danish
9.05545692 Denmark
9.29966128 Norwegian

Target: Helen
Distance: 1.6129% / 1.61290245
34.8 Southwest_English
32.0 Southeast_English
27.6 West_Scottish
5.2 Lebanese_Druze
0.4 Yoruban

K15:
North_Sea 33.40 Pct
Atlantic 30.85 Pct
Baltic 11.46 Pct
Eastern_Euro 5.18 Pct
West_Med 9.71 Pct
West_Asian 4.32 Pct
East_Med 3.35 Pct
Red_Sea 0.79 Pct
South_Asian -
Southeast_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian -
Oceanian 0.07 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 0.87 Pct

Distance to: Helen
4.69462459 Southeast_English
4.92618514 Southwest_English
5.12661682 FRA_Armorica
5.17667847 Belgium
5.64784915 Irish
5.75447652 England
5.98199799 EEnglish_Midlands
6.87254684 West_Scottish
6.92980519 Welsh
7.02143148 South_Dutch
7.22121181 English_North
7.26201074 Dutch
7.35500510 North_German
7.67181204 FRA_Belgica
7.86879279 North_Dutch
8.13960073 Scotland
8.49356815 German_Bavarian
8.57890436 Orcadian
9.59287757 FRA_Alsace
9.95890054 Swiss_German

Target: Helen
Distance: 2.5775% / 2.57753816
80.6 Irish
10.0 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
4.0 French_Basque
2.8 Italy_Lombardy
1.4 Turkish_Trabzon
0.8 Italy_Aostavalley
0.4 Yoruban

Her daughter is not fully English but has very interesting results nevertheless. Her father is quarter Pakistani, half American from the East Coast of mostly Irish decent and quarter English from Suffolk

K13:
North_Atlantic 47.31 Pct
Baltic 17.47 Pct
West_Med 11.77 Pct
West_Asian 9.55 Pct
East_Med 3.82 Pct
Red_Sea 0.28 Pct
South_Asian 6.25 Pct
East_Asian -
Siberian 1.32 Pct
Amerindian 1.08 Pct
Oceanian 0.57 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 0.57 Pct

Target: daughter
Distance: 2.7022% / 2.70216180 | ADC: 0.25x
80.0 Scottish
10.4 Spanish_Murcia
8.6 Sindhi
0.8 Kurumba
0.2 Turkmen

Target: daughter
Distance: 2.1785% / 2.17853353
79.8 Scottish
7.4 French_Basque
5.6 Velamas
4.2 Kurd_Iran
2.2 Makrani
0.6 Evens
0.2 Yoruban

K15:
North_Sea 33.18 Pct
Atlantic 26.54 Pct
Baltic 6.32 Pct
Eastern_Euro 7.59 Pct
West_Med 7.97 Pct
West_Asian 5.54 Pct
East_Med 3.70 Pct
Red_Sea -
South_Asian 6.30 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Siberian 1.20 Pct
Amerindian 0.75 Pct
Oceanian 0.42 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 0.48 Pct

Target: daughter
Distance: 2.5870% / 2.58704051 | ADC: 0.25x
47.8 Belgium
44.2 Orcadian
4.4 Velamas
2.8 Sindhi
0.4 Brahmin_UP
0.4 Chukchi

Target: daughter
Distance: 1.3650% / 1.36504318
79.0 Orcadian
7.2 French_Basque
6.8 Kol
3.4 Kurd
2.6 Iraqi_Jew
0.6 Chukchi
0.2 Evens
0.2 Karitiana

J. Ketch

09-16-2020, 01:47 PM

Put in Creoda's averages from page 4. Thought would bump the thread up. Noticed there was a different Norway average, so that changed things more so.

Target: Graham
Distance: 3.5913% / 3.59127464
84.0 West_Scottish
6.2 North-Dutch
5.2 Southeast_English
4.6 Norway_South_Central

Distance to: Graham
3.65224588 West_Scottish
4.26434051 Scottish
4.56984682 Irish
4.62000000 Orcadian
5.09113936 North-Dutch
5.14420062 Staffordshire
5.24694197 NW_England
5.34264916 Yorkshire
5.42608514 Lancashire
5.58018817 English_North
5.67400211 Southwest_English
5.75586657 Southeast_English
5.93397000 English
5.93822364 West_Midlands
6.21678373 English_Midlands
6.75718876 East_Midlands
My latest English regional tally/averages

Regions

Northern England - 66
Midlands - 39
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NW England - 34
SE England - 25/26
West Midlands - 17
Yorkshire - 16
East Midlands - 12
SW England - 6
NE England - 5
East England - 4

Counties

Lancashire - 18
Yorkshire - 16
Staffordshire - 6
Derbyshire - 5
Cumbria - 4
Lincolnshire - 3
Kent - 3
Middlesex/London - 3
Hampshire - 2
Cornwall - 2
Northumberland - 1
Durham - 1
Oxfordshire - 1
Bedfordshire - 1
Essex - 1

Averages (10+ kits)

K13

English_North,50.42,23.90,13.05,5.85,3.14,0.72,1.0 4,0.11,0.25,0.62,0.43,0.21,0.21
English_Midlands,50.28,23.20,13.60,5.57,3.68,0.80, 1.11,0.20,0.25,0.41,0.37,0.25,0.21
Yorkshire,50.48,24.03,13.17,5.70,2.88,0.77,1.14,0. 06,0.25,0.57,0.60,0.17,0.14
NW_England,50.96,23.46,13.02,5.78,3.23,0.64,0.97,0 .16,0.22,0.67,0.36,0.19,0.25
West_Midlands,50.07,23.29,13.58,5.91,3.64,0.48,1.1 3,0.25,0.23,0.52,0.38,0.21,0.26
East_Midlands,49.77,23.60,14.06,5.69,3.73,0.76,0.7 7,0.13,0.16,0.25,0.47,0.28,0.26
SE_England,48.88,22.88,14.42,6.25,3.93,0.63,0.99,0 .24,0.24,0.48,0.51,0.29,0.18
Lancashire,50.81,23.69,12.81,5.72,3.36,0.73,0.88,0 .06,0.22,0.77,0.40,0.26,0.21

https://i.postimg.cc/WpkPBrgW/k13newcomparison.png

K15

English_North,36.94,27.98,10.26,8.92,8.95,3.74,0.9 5,0.43,0.69,0.04,0.08,0.35,0.26,0.18,0.15
English_Midlands,36.76,28.18,9.80,8.56,9.42,3.72,1 .21,0.59,0.80,0.08,0.06,0.18,0.21,0.18,0.16
Yorkshire,37.07,27.83,10.59,8.59,9.13,3.72,0.72,0. 43,0.81,0.01,0.10,0.27,0.40,0.17,0.09
NW_England,36.92,28.57,9.86,8.95,8.88,3.67,1.02,0. 37,0.62,0.06,0.06,0.41,0.20,0.16,0.17
West_Midlands,36.78,27.88,9.81,8.74,9.33,4.06,1.19 ,0.33,0.77,0.06,0.07,0.30,0.22,0.17,0.18
East_Midlands,37.33,27.02,10.21,8.37,10.10,3.81,1. 30,0.54,0.41,0.07,0.00,0.06,0.30,0.20,0.20
SE_England,35.89,27.20,9.41,8.94,10.32,4.35,1.64,0 .38,0.66,0.11,0.09,0.26,0.33,0.20,0.13
Lancashire,35.95,29.29,10.34,8.94,8.59,3.68,1.07,0 .43,0.49,0.00,0.09,0.50,0.23,0.20,0.14

https://i.postimg.cc/0jqHR61F/k15newcomp.png

J. Ketch

09-17-2020, 10:37 AM

Some early Irish averages, with thanks to Graham, who found most of them

K13

Munster,52.98,23.00,12.26,6.67,1.62,0.22,1.36,0.19 ,0.27,0.79,0.23,0.17,0.18
Donegal,54.27,21.89,12.41,7.16,0.65,0.59,1.04,0.19 ,0.10,1.01,0.36,0.12,0.15
Clare,53.08,23.15,12.25,6.44,1.82,0.19,1.25,0.16,0 .18,0.80,0.11,0.28,0.20

https://i.postimg.cc/VN8V0JHg/k13newcomparison.png

K15

Munster,37.47,30.26,9.72,8.59,7.39,4.38,0.13,0.10, 0.87,0.08,0.08,0.50,0.13,0.10,0.14
Clare,38.22,29.70,9.79,8.51,7.40,4.27,0.21,0.12,0. 76,0.06,0.03,0.51,0.03,0.17,0.14
Donegal,37.58,31.51,8.84,7.92,7.07,4.70,0.09,0.22, 0.94,0.11,0.07,0.65,0.12,0.09,0.01

https://i.postimg.cc/m21XdYvV/k15newcomp.png

Donegal = pure, unadmixed Irish

Irish tally

Munster - 28
Ulster/Donegal - 7/8
Connacht - 5
Leinster - 5
Clare - 15
Donegal - 7/8
Cork - 4
Kerry - 2
Mayo - 4
Galway - 1
Offaly - 1
Dublin - 1
Northern Irish/Ulster Scots - 14