How come that richer French regions voted for Le Pen?

[Faklon]

Well, except for Paris.

Red is higher GDP per capita.

https://i.ibb.co/D10LfZj/1550852435-france-quality-of-life-map.png

https://i.ibb.co/tzKwSmR/1493022317-mapvote.jpg

It's not like Marine Le Pen is some hardcore far-right but it's interesting since I dare to believe that poorer rural people around Europe tend to be more nationalistic.

[Teutone]

French people are mysterious as fuck to me, I never met a politically educated french man capable of speaking English.

[Faklon]

French people are mysterious as fuck to me, I never met a politically educated french man capable of speaking English.

Y, it's an interesting diversion.

I'm wondering if it has to do with the fact that Eastern France has been the home of influential nobility when the West is possibly more historically pro-integration (Celtic, Italic, Catalan, Ugandan...) and by extend socialistic.

[Insuperable]

Means Melki is a poor rural guy.

[Bosniensis]

Rich French are French, Poor French are recent Migrants who want another 10 million of their "brothers"

[The Lawspeaker]

Means Melki is a poor rural guy.


Melki is either a half-caste or a migrant.

[Insuperable]

Melki is either a half-caste or a migrant.

It is evident by his low IQ.

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

Do you have the data by region?

I have high hopes for the Rassemblement National. We need a major European economy to turn into national conservatism to break off the stigma we have in the European Union and possibly set an example or start a domino effect. Nations like Poland and Hungary will keep on being seen as the black sheep unless a nation like France or Germany converges to the same ideological spectrum. Brussels would not dare to "bully" and lecture France on its home policies as it does with smaller economies and right-leaning nations currently.

[Faklon]

Do you have the data by region?

I have high hopes for the Rassemblement National. We need a major European economy to turn into national conservatism to break off the stigma we have in the European Union and possibly set an example or start a domino effect. Nations like Poland and Hungary will keep on being seen as the black sheep unless a nation like France or Germany converges to the same ideological spectrum. Brussels would not dare to "bully" and lecture France on its home policies as it does with smaller economies and right-leaning nations currently.

Votes:

https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/R%C3%A9sultats_par_d%C3%A9partement_de_l%27%C3%A9l ection_pr%C3%A9sidentielle_fran%C3%A7aise_de_2017

GDP per Capita

https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statistique_%C3%A9conomique_sur_les_r%C3%A9gions_f ran%C3%A7aises

https://i.ibb.co/3MF5m7M/gdp.png

[Hamilcar]

Maybe a link with the fact that foreigners don't live in these areas ---> for instance racism is mostly induced by ignorance

[The Lawspeaker]

Maybe a link with the fact that foreigners don't live in these areas ---> for instance racism is mostly induced by ignorance


Actually, it's the other way around: a lot of people have been fleeing the cities since the 1970s. White flight is a real thing.

[Faklon]

Maybe a link with the fact that foreigners don't live in these areas ---> for instance racism is mostly induced by ignorance

More likely that immigrants live there (Lyon, Marseilles) and socialism is induced by ignorance dear Nassbean.

[Faklon]

dp

[Jana]

Rich are usually right wing/conservative, excluding cathegories like athletes and celebrities (so called new rich). This is nothing now.

[Ouistreham]

How come that richer French regions voted for Le Pen?

It's not like Marine Le Pen is some hardcore far-right but it's interesting since I dare to believe that poorer rural people around Europe tend to be more nationalistic.

It's not that simple. Keep in mind that poverty is relative.

• SouthWestern France is largely rural, with few migrants, medium-sized towns that attract new high tech industries, inhabited by conservative, well-to-do middle classes. The average income may be lower than elsewhere but voters are mainly satisfied with their lives and consequently choose Macron for president.

• The NorthEast half consists of big urban centers surrounded by rust belts. The presence of wealthy people makes the average income higher, they concentrate in towns —along with many migrants— while poorer Whites have to flee to remote suburbs whose economic situation isn't that good already with yet high housing costs. Those people are Marine Le Pen's core electorate.

You can notice that the richest urban centres (Rouen, Lille, Reims, Strasbourg, Dijon, Lyon etc. and of course Paris) closely match the white spots within Le Pen's voting map:

https://fr.actualitix.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/revenu-net-moyen-france-avec-limitation-des-departements.png

https://img.over-blog-kiwi.com/1/10/47/05/20170428/ob_fa3463_le-pen.jpeg



French people are mysterious as fuck to me, I never met a politically educated french man capable of speaking English.
Probably they thought pointless ao argue with a moron.


Rich are usually right wing/conservative, excluding cathegories like athletes and celebrities (so called new rich). This is nothing now.
You're not the brightest bulb on the tree.
Never heard that the Rassemblement National is by far the dominant vote in French working class?

[Hamilcar]

More likely that immigrants live there (Lyon, Marseilles) and socialism is induced by ignorance dear Nassbean.

why do you speak as if you had any idea of how life is in France ? Rich french people don't live among foreigners even in these departments it's two different worlds and I'm not socialist nor this nassbean try again

[Hamilcar]

Actually, it's the other way around: a lot of people have been fleeing the cities since the 1970s. White flight is a real thing.

It doesn't contradict what I said and most big cities in France are still mostly "white" I don't think you have ever been to France

[The Lawspeaker]

It doesn't contradict what I said and most big cities in France are still mostly "white" I don't think you have ever been to France

Try to fool someone else, Nassbean. I am quite familiar with France.

[Jana]

You're not the brightest bulb on the tree.
Never heard that the Rassemblement National is by far the dominant vote in French working class?

Since my IQ is 135, I highly doubt so.
I have no idea about French politics, my comment was about traditional rich being right wing/conservative in general.

[Faklon]

Rich are usually right wing/conservative, excluding cathegories like athletes and celebrities (so called new rich). This is nothing now.

Higher class people here (and afaik the UK) tend to be far more liberal, they don't have to worry that an immigrant will stab them on their way home like the proletarians do.

[Melki]

..

[Jana]

Higher class people here (and afaik the UK) tend to be far more liberal, they don't have to worry that an immigrant will stab them on their way home like the proletarians do.

Maybe you mean white collar working class/upper middle class.
Real elite is hardly ever liberal. They live outside of cities.

[Jana]

double

[Faklon]

why do you speak as if you had any idea of how life is in France ? Rich french people don't live among foreigners even in these departments it's two different worlds and I'm not socialist nor this nassbean try again

I asked a legit question going by legit statistics that was answered by a legit French.

The conclusion is that more immigrants result to right politics.

I didn't ask a Morrocan living in Belgium and streaming the site via a proxy to push his agenda.

[Hamilcar]

I asked a legit question going by legit statistics that was answered by a legit French.

The conclusion is that more immigrants result to right politics.

I didn't ask a Morrocan living in Belgium and streaming the site via a proxy to push his agenda.

it doesn't even make sense why would rich french be more conservative while the poorest of them would vote for leftist parties ? It has nothing to do with more immigrants (which are way less than what france experienced 50 years ago).

Also stop trying to portray me as someone I am not. Bring arguments instead of attacking my person.

[The Lawspeaker]

it doesn't even make sense why would rich french be more conservative while the poorest of them would vote for leftist parties ? It has nothing to do with more immigrants (which are way less than what france experienced 50 years ago).

Also stop trying to portray me as someone I am not. Bring arguments instead of attacking my person.


Nice try, Nassbean. You're not fooling anyone here.

[Aldaris]

Naz, you can aswell use your picture as an avatar by now. Did you take Fractal's lessons on subtlety, or was it the other way around?

[Ouistreham]

The conclusion is that more immigrants result to right politics.

Not directly.
In big towns liberal upper classes get along just fine with immigrants. They use them as servants, as cocaine providers, they appreciate ethnic restaurants, Chinese and Arabs offer shops that keep open late at night etc. And in the end they vote for Socialist/Green mayors, they welcome migrants and oppose Brexiters.
It's typically the case in Paris, London, Brussels, Amsterdam.

Meanwhile, the White lower to middle classes have no choice but fleeing to locations where coloured pupils are still minorities in schools.
Ant they tend to vote nationalist.

[dududud]

Personnaly, where I live there is an FN mayor but that does not change the situation: young white people are Arabized, there are drug addicts and alcoholics (white or not), there is racial diversity (gypsies, sandigger, nigger), etc. A mayor does not have the powers to change anything at this level, assuming that he is not leftist in ideas (which is the case with most FN mayors who are anti-racist).

It's quite unbearable. I have difficulty even discussing with people who vote for Marine le Pen, since they are still at the assimilation stage (I do not believe in assimilation, much less for non-European populations); however, some are really racist (which is a good thing for me), but they vote Front National out of spite, less out of conviction, other people are racist and don't vote Front National, because they see it as a waste of time (like me) and dislike the leftist Marine Le Pen.

There are very few racists in France, the French are unfortunately mostly anti-racist (passively or actively). Even with all the extra-Europeans that there are in France, some people who vote Marine Le Pen say to themselves that it is always possible to apply an "assimilation policy", it is to give an idea of ​​the level of mental illness of the population.

Even before mass immigration, there were already big problems in many villages in the North of France.

I think that the only solution to remedy all these evils is a totalitarian state "à la national-socialiste", but still the people would have to want this (which was the case in Germany in the past), which I do not think in France.

So right now, France is in a weird form of libero-leftism, with a status quo (that is, the big-replacement is going smoothly). I still prefer to live in a country that clearly announces things.

Personally, I think that the French people will be replaced and no one will say anything, since most of them are all anti-racists.

You should know that racism is condemned in France, while racism is a natural thing in all populations (in Africa, Asia, etc).

[Insuperable]

Not directly.
In big towns liberal upper classes get along just fine with immigrants. They use them as servants, as cocaine providers, they appreciate ethnic restaurants, Chinese and Arabs offer shops that keep open late at night etc. And in the end they vote for Socialist/Green mayors, they welcome migrants and oppose Brexiters.
It's typically the case in Paris, London, Brussels, Amsterdam.

Meanwhile, the White lower to middle classes have no choice but fleeing to locations where coloured pupils are still minorities in schools.
Ant they tend to vote nationalist.

When you have enough money and come to a certain age people naturally get liberal. In most cases. That is my experience with several people. They were quite nationalistic, but once they earned big bucks, formed families they became more liberal. They themselves told me that. It's business business business family etc. Have no time to think about politics, especially since politics today is quite tiring. Kinda selfish in some way but it is how it is. Usually people who have nothing 'smart' to do in their life are either far right or far left.

[Melki]

Melki is either a half-caste or a migrant.

or simply an educated white liberal...I think that the existence of white liberals is a narcissistic wound for your frigid bigotry, as a result you wish I were a non-European migrant


Y, it's an interesting diversion.

I'm wondering if it has to do with the fact that Eastern France has been the home of influential nobility when the West is possibly more historically pro-integration (Celtic, Italic, Catalan, Ugandan...) and by extend socialistic.

lol, you're wondering nothing, you're just an ignorant gyros.
Eastern France used to be a blue collar area from the beginning of the Industrial Revolution, old mining districts which were the first to welcome immigrants from Italy, Belgium or Poland in the 19th Century; their post-industrial descendants voted for Marine Le Pen.

And we have no Ugandan immigrants in France. Uganda belongs to Commonwealth and was not part of the French colonial empire,



Means Melki is a poor rural guy.

You missed your target. I live in Toulouse, a big city with a reputation of being a leftist city, which voted massively for Jean-Luc Mélenchon (far-left - the red patch in the south-west)

https://zupimages.net/up/20/37/eyoe.png (https://zupimages.net/viewer.php?id=20/37/eyoe.png)




Try to fool someone else, Nassbean. I am quite familiar with France.

No you aren't. Stop pretending you're posh and refined. You don"t fool me. You're a socially awkward autist who spends his life on this forum. You never leave your southern Netherlands.