AncestryDNA is trash

[JamesBond007]

Sorry, to belabor the point. Obviously, being English is more than a matter of simple DNA it is also cultural. Also, genetic testing is so 'American' blah.... However, that is no excuse for my AncestryDNA results :

62% Ireland

27% English/Welsh/NorthWestern European

Germanic Europe 6%

Norway 4%

blah blah


WTF is that even suppose to mean ?It makes no sense to me Call me nerdy but G25 ancient :



Target: KevinG_scaled
Distance: 1.9624% / 0.01962356
42.8 England_IA (England Iron Age)
32.0 ISL_Viking_Age_Pre_Christian (Teutonic Viking)
25.2 SVK_Poprad_MA (ancient continental German)

https://media.springernature.com/full/springer-static/image/art%3A10.1038%2Fncomms10408/MediaObjects/41467_2016_Article_BFncomms10408_Fig2_HTML.jpg?as= webp


https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms10408/figures/2


https://i.postimg.cc/bvKKc8MM/UCLA.jpg

https://dnagenics.com/admixture-ucla-human-genetics/

The Frenchman Tolan used to have a GPS function for mapping k36 coordinates before he made it more generic :

https://i.postimg.cc/Hn7nWpsy/TOLAN.png

https://gen3553.pagesperso-orange.fr/ADN/similitude.htm


Eurogenes K13 updated with samples from creoda (less accurate than K15 for me but still telling ) :

Kevin
2.24784341 East_Midlands
2.42179685 Yorks1
2.48567898 West_Midlands
2.77794888 Cumbria1


etc...

Euorgenes K15 updated from samples from creoda :

Distanceto:
kevin
1.96073966 West_Midlands
2.51139404 East_Midlands
2.80319461Yorkshire

etc...


Many thanks to the university staff at UCLA , Frenchman Tolan, Davidski, and Creoda ! The truth shall set you free !

[RatCat]

It's pretty accurate for me. With the latest update I got %100 caucasus on my results which is very accurate.

[Adamm]

You should test with 23andMe, its better than ancestry because it also gives regions.

[Grace O'Malley]

You should test with 23andMe, its better than ancestry because it also gives regions.

Ancestry's GC are far superior to 23&Me's regions. Ancestry's GCs are on IBD sharing and the vast amount of trees they have access to. 23&Me's regions just seem to be based on where people you share with live now which is why people get the capital cities. My GCs on Ancestry are correct but my regions on 23&Me aren't. 23&Me's AC seems to be better judging by user's comments.

[Graham]

Ancestry's GC are far superior to 23&Me's regions. Ancestry's GCs are on IBD sharing and the vast amount of trees they have access to. 23&Me's regions just seem to be based on where people you share with live now which is why people get the capital cities. My GCs on Ancestry are correct but my regions on 23&Me aren't. 23&Me's AC seems to be better judging by user's comments.

The community thing and linking people up using the family trees makes it better than 23andme.

Have been able to work out my great grans dad's side, who she never knew. Thanks to Ancestry.

[Jana]

Ancestry is for me overall best DNA company out of these most popular ones. So I don't agree with you. I like AncestryDNA.

[Coastal Elite]

MyLivingDNA is the most underrated

[JamesBond007]

MyLivingDNA is the most underrated

https://www.theverge.com/2013/12/3/5169722/us-students-lag-behind-math-science-oecd-pisa-report

I have come to the conclusion that most people don't want to know the truth or something so that is why AncestryDNA is trash :

Truth has no manners. It is no respecter of persons. It wounds kings as deeply as commoners. It cuts down the high, and confirms the lowness of the low. It may dress up for formal occasions, but it does so only in order that it may more shockingly expose itself in front of the assembled company. And just as it respects no one, likewise there are few who respect it. But those who do are granted many favors -- power, understanding, dominion, and of course the honor of the unswerving hatred of the ignorant millions.

[Slavic Italian]

https://www.theverge.com/2013/12/3/5169722/us-students-lag-behind-math-science-oecd-pisa-report

I have come to the conclusion that most people don't want to know the truth or something so that is why AncestryDNA is trash :

Truth has no manners. It is no respecter of persons. It wounds kings as deeply as commoners. It cuts down the high, and confirms the lowness of the low. It may dress up for formal occasions, but it does so only in order that it may more shockingly expose itself in front of the assembled company. And just as it respects no one, likewise there are few who respect it. But those who do are granted many favors -- power, understanding, dominion, and of course the honor of the unswerving hatred of the ignorant millions.
You need to have a drink.

[Erronkari]

Ancestry's GC are far superior to 23&Me's regions. Ancestry's GCs are on IBD sharing and the vast amount of trees they have access to. 23&Me's regions just seem to be based on where people you share with live now which is why people get the capital cities. My GCs on Ancestry are correct but my regions on 23&Me aren't. 23&Me's AC seems to be better judging by user's comments.

100% agree!!

[Mingle]

You should test with 23andMe, its better than ancestry because it also gives regions.
Ancestry DNA also has many regions: https://support.ancestry.com/s/article/List-of-AncestryDNA-Regions

[David Johnson]

You are 75% Irish 25% German from Alsace right? You should stop desperately trying to be something you're not (English) and getting angry at every test which doesn't fit this fantasy. Be proud of what you actually are, this obsession with plotting as English is unhealthy and won't lead anywhere. There is nothing wrong with being Irish/German buddy.

[JamesBond007]

Sorry, to belabor the point. Obviously, being English is more than a matter of simple DNA it is also cultural. Also, genetic testing is so 'American' blah.... However, that is no excuse for my AncestryDNA results :

62% Ireland

27% English/Welsh/NorthWestern European

Germanic Europe 6%

Norway 4%

blah blah


WTF is that even suppose to mean ?It makes no sense to me Call me nerdy but G25 ancient :



Target: KevinG_scaled
Distance: 1.9624% / 0.01962356
42.8 England_IA (England Iron Age)
32.0 ISL_Viking_Age_Pre_Christian (Teutonic Viking)
25.2 SVK_Poprad_MA (ancient continental German)

]img]https://media.springernature.com/full/springer-static/image/art%3A10.1038%2Fncomms10408/MediaObjects/41467_2016_Article_BFncomms10408_Fig2_HTML.jpg?as= webp[/img]


https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms10408/figures/2


https://i.postimg.cc/bvKKc8MM/UCLA.jpg

https://dnagenics.com/admixture-ucla-human-genetics/

The Frenchman Tolan used to have a GPS function for mapping k36 coordinates before he made it more generic :

]img]https://i.postimg.cc/Hn7nWpsy/TOLAN.png[/img]

https://gen3553.pagesperso-orange.fr/ADN/similitude.htm


Eurogenes K13 updated with samples from creoda (less accurate than K15 for me but still telling ) :

Kevin
2.24784341 East_Midlands
2.42179685 Yorks1
2.48567898 West_Midlands
2.77794888 Cumbria1


etc...

Euorgenes K15 updated from samples from creoda :

Distanceto:
kevin
1.96073966 West_Midlands
2.51139404 East_Midlands
2.80319461Yorkshire

etc...


Many thanks to the university staff at UCLA , Frenchman Tolan, Davidski, and Creoda ! The truth shall set you free !

Sorry, I gave the wrong link to UCLA :

http://genetics.cs.ucla.edu/spa/

[JamesBond007]

You are 75% Irish 25% German from Alsace right? You should stop desperately trying to be something you're not (English) and getting angry at every test which doesn't fit this fantasy. Be proud of what you actually are, this obsession with plotting as English is unhealthy and won't lead anywhere. There is nothing wrong with being Irish/German buddy.

Don't be retarded : on paper on Irish, German, English but 'a paper trail' does not necessarily represent reality for scientific reasons such as possible infidelity etc... etc... :


As the nineteenth century progressed, immigrants began to arrive from a wider array of sources in Eastern and Southern Europe, eventually forming a majority of the
flow. (Easterlin 1982) New England WASP writers of the mid-nineteenth century like Ralph Waldo Emerson, though decrying the rise of the Irish presence, at least
contented themselves with the knowledge that they had been spared the 'Black eyes and black drop....the "Europe of Europe".' (Higham [1955] 1986: 65) Likewise, a
new generation of writers in the late nineteenth century, like Theodore Roosevelt or Francis Parkman, subscribed to the idea that the Irish and Germans could combine with the English to re-form a new Anglo-Saxon compound akin to the English blend of Saxon and Celt. This would allow the WASP dominant ethnie to restore its congruence with the nation.

https://www.sneps.net/OO/images/Kaufmann-Decline_WASP_USA_Canada.pdf

Lots of English people have Irish grandparents and many English people are 25% German.

[Rgvgjhvv]

...many English people are 25% German.

Yeah man, for sure...

[JamesBond007]

You are 75% Irish 25% German from Alsace right? You should stop desperately trying to be something you're not (English) and getting angry at every test which doesn't fit this fantasy. Be proud of what you actually are, this obsession with plotting as English is unhealthy and won't lead anywhere. There is nothing wrong with being Irish/German buddy.

It's not an obsession I just don't like being told a million different things from a million different companies and genetic calculators. I'm annoyed that to get to the truth is a convoluted and sophisticated process that took me many years to figure out. That is why it seems like an obsession because I'm pissed off to the high heavens I had to spend years figuring this out and this is my way showing my frustration with the lack of candor in the DNA testing industry.

[Coastal Elite]

1) 23andMe
2) MyLivingDNA
3) AncestryDNA

I should add the much maligned 23andMe raw data isn't that different from AncestryDNA

[Mingle]

1) 23andMe
2) MyLivingDNA
3) AncestryDNA

I should add the much maligned 23andMe raw data isn't that different from AncestryDNA
AncestryDNA is said to have the best raw data today while 23andMe V5 is said to be one of the worst.

[Coastal Elite]

AncestryDNA is said to have the best raw data today while 23andMe V5 is said to be one of the worst.

I've heard that but don't see much of a difference when applied to different calculators. I think it's a bunch of hyperbole.

[J. Ketch]

I've heard that but don't see much of a difference when applied to different calculators. I think it's a bunch of hyperbole.
For semi-autists like most of us here, the fractionally closer distances provided by good raw data is all-important.

[JamesBond007]

http://genetics.cs.ucla.edu/spa/

UCLA says my Ancestry is British the location is accurate to within 500 kilometers :

https://i.postimg.cc/DwcyQF6q/ancestry.png



The University of California, Los Angeles (UCLA)[1] is a public research university in Los Angeles, California. UCLA traces its early origins back to 1882 as the southern branch of the California State Normal School (now San Jose State University). It became the Southern Branch of the University of California in 1919, making it the second-oldest (after UC Berkeley) of the 10-campus University of California system.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_California,_Los_Angeles



Ancestry.com LLC is a privately held online company based in Lehi, Utah. The largest for-profit genealogy company in the world, it operates a network of genealogical, historical records, and related genetic genealogy websites.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancestry.com


https://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/aRgPg1B_700bwp.webp

[oszkar07]

1) 23andMe
2) MyLivingDNA
3) AncestryDNA

I should add the much maligned 23andMe raw data isn't that different from AncestryDNA

I am yet to try living DNA but I agree with your ranking 23andme over Ancestry DNA , I didnt find Ancestry particuliarly great for myself.

[JamesBond007]

I am yet to try living DNA but I agree with your ranking 23andme over Ancestry DNA , I didnt find Ancestry particuliarly great for myself.

I tried livingdna it was significantly better than AncestryDNA, for myself, but still not terrific. I think there is a problem with all commercial testing companies and I'm not sure why that is. I'm still trying to figure out why some free scientific tools that operate on your raw data are seemingly more accurate than a service you pay for.

[oszkar07]

I tried livingdna it was significantly better than AncestryDNA, for myself, but still not terrific. I think there is a problem with all commercial testing companies and I'm not sure why that is. I'm still trying to figure out why some free scientific tools that operate on your raw data are seemingly more accurate than a service you pay for.

I totally agree with your comment above.
At least for me this is true , for sure non commercial tools eg gedmatch, vahuedo etc all seem consistant in giving me better breakdowns closer to my known ancestry than commercial sites.

[JamesBond007]

I totally agree with your comment above.
At least for me this is true , for sure non commercial tools eg gedmatch, vahuedo etc all seem consistant in giving me better breakdowns closer to my known ancestry than commercial sites.

True, even G25 makes more sense than AncestryDNA. For instance G25 has my number one population as Dutch and that makes more sense than AncestryDNA since the British are closely related to the Dutch maybe also the Danes. However, G25 is still flawed for modern populations. It's great for Ancient populations though :

Distance to: Kevin_scaled
0.02218995 England_IA
0.02589647 ISL_Viking_Age_Pre_Christian
0.02652135 England_Saxon
0.02695867 Scotland_MBA
0.02790445 DEU_Halberstadt_LBA
0.02885695 England_MBA
0.02888607 Bell_Beaker_POL
0.02951875 ISL_Viking_Age_Early_Christian
0.02956853 Bell_Beaker_CZE
0.02972524 England_CA_EBA
0.02976019 SWE_Ollsjo_BA


GEDmatch is a hit or a miss not all calculators work well for all people. I think Eurogenes K13 works well for most Europeans but Eurogenes K15 works best for me :

Eurogenes K15 :

Least-squares method.

Using 1 populations approximation
1 100% England @ 2.921
2 100% Dutch @ 3.148
3 100% Scotland @ 4.029
4 100% Southwest_English @ 4.219
5 100% Southeast_English @ 4.350
6 100% North_Dutch @ 4.705
7 100% West_Scottish @ 5.159
8 100% Irish @ 5.164
9 100% Orcadian @ 5.529
10 100% North_German @ 6.022

[Slavic Italian]

True, even G25 makes more sense than AncestryDNA. For instance G25 has my number one population as Dutch and that makes more sense than AncestryDNA since the British are closely related to the Dutch maybe also the Danes. However, G25 is still flawed for modern populations. It's great for Ancient populations though :

Distance to: Kevin_scaled
0.02218995 England_IA
0.02589647 ISL_Viking_Age_Pre_Christian
0.02652135 England_Saxon
0.02695867 Scotland_MBA
0.02790445 DEU_Halberstadt_LBA
0.02885695 England_MBA
0.02888607 Bell_Beaker_POL
0.02951875 ISL_Viking_Age_Early_Christian
0.02956853 Bell_Beaker_CZE
0.02972524 England_CA_EBA
0.02976019 SWE_Ollsjo_BA


GEDmatch is a hit or a miss not all calculators work well for all people. I think Eurogenes K13 works well for most Europeans but Eurogenes K15 works best for me :

Eurogenes K15 :

Least-squares method.

Using 1 populations approximation
1 100% England @ 2.921
2 100% Dutch @ 3.148
3 100% Scotland @ 4.029
4 100% Southwest_English @ 4.219
5 100% Southeast_English @ 4.350
6 100% North_Dutch @ 4.705
7 100% West_Scottish @ 5.159
8 100% Irish @ 5.164
9 100% Orcadian @ 5.529
10 100% North_German @ 6.022

All those tools suck. There is a grain of truth in some of them but they are not that good. Get a Y test from Family Tree DNA. Join as many projects as possible. Look at who your matches are and where they are from. At first people did not mix as much as they do today. But look at those matches especially on 12 markers. That is who you are. Those are your REAL people!

[Slavic Italian]

True, even G25 makes more sense than AncestryDNA. For instance G25 has my number one population as Dutch and that makes more sense than AncestryDNA since the British are closely related to the Dutch maybe also the Danes. However, G25 is still flawed for modern populations. It's great for Ancient populations though :

Distance to: Kevin_scaled
0.02218995 England_IA
0.02589647 ISL_Viking_Age_Pre_Christian
0.02652135 England_Saxon
0.02695867 Scotland_MBA
0.02790445 DEU_Halberstadt_LBA
0.02885695 England_MBA
0.02888607 Bell_Beaker_POL
0.02951875 ISL_Viking_Age_Early_Christian
0.02956853 Bell_Beaker_CZE
0.02972524 England_CA_EBA
0.02976019 SWE_Ollsjo_BA


GEDmatch is a hit or a miss not all calculators work well for all people. I think Eurogenes K13 works well for most Europeans but Eurogenes K15 works best for me :

Eurogenes K15 :

Least-squares method.

Using 1 populations approximation
1 100% England @ 2.921
2 100% Dutch @ 3.148
3 100% Scotland @ 4.029
4 100% Southwest_English @ 4.219
5 100% Southeast_English @ 4.350
6 100% North_Dutch @ 4.705
7 100% West_Scottish @ 5.159
8 100% Irish @ 5.164
9 100% Orcadian @ 5.529
10 100% North_German @ 6.022

This is my clade. Those are my people at those various locations listed on the tree. I love the Russian/Czech peoples. Same deal with maternal. The same concepts. In my case(H1) I don't care much for the Germanic peoples.

https://yfull.com/tree/R-YP1337/