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Daco Celtic
09-12-2020, 07:33 PM
Moravian Wallachia. Interesting group. Anybody here know much about them?
"In the eastern Czech Republic, within the province of Moravia and at the northern end of the Carpathian Mountains, there is a region inhabited by Vlachs, a population of Romanian origin who arrived there hundreds of years ago. The region is called Wallachia Moravia. Over time they merged into the local Czech and Slovak population, but you can still hear the distinctive Wallachian dialect, bearing several traces of its Romanian origins. The most obvious Wallachian symbol is the large, pointed black shepherd’s hat, which appears on village crests."
"Moravian Wallachia (Czech: Moravské Valašsko, or simply Valašsko; Romanian: Valahia Moravă) is a mountainous ethnoregion located in the easternmost part of Moravia in the Czech Republic, near the Slovak border, roughly centered on the cities Vsetín, Valašské Meziříčí and Rožnov pod Radhoštěm.[1] The name Wallachia used to be applied to all the highlands of Moravia and the neighboring Silesia, although in the 19th century a smaller area came to be defined as ethno-cultural Moravian Wallachia. The traditional dialect (rarely heard these days) represents a mixture of elements from the Czech and Slovak languages, and has a distinct lexicon of Romanian origin relating to the pastoral economy of the highlands. The name originated in the "Vlachs", an originally Romance-speaking community that migrated to Moravia." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moravian_Wallachia https://english.radio.cz/court-hear-appeal-wallachian-kingdom-dispute-8592511
Districts of the Czech Republic that comprise Moravian Wallachia in full (red) and in part (orange)
https://i.imgur.com/yVxzo38.png
https://youtu.be/6PpsKRhjNMo
https://youtu.be/9_uOWjG0NjA
Bosniensis
09-12-2020, 07:35 PM
mmm vlachs...
we need more vlach topics
Varda
09-12-2020, 07:35 PM
Trump is Vlach? :)
Daco Celtic
09-12-2020, 07:36 PM
Trump is Vlach? :)
That's what I told my neighbor yesterday
Bosniensis
09-12-2020, 07:38 PM
Trump is from Germany, a Saxon German.
Varda
09-12-2020, 07:41 PM
That's what I told my neighbor yesterday
Some Serbs claim that Trump is Shop from Tran by paternal line in deep origin
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shopi
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tran,_Bulgaria
No joke.
Ion Basescul
09-12-2020, 07:42 PM
Here's an idea on how to name your descendants:
https://i.imgur.com/dBinlQ5.png
Benyzero
09-12-2020, 07:47 PM
My ancestors
Now I know why I tan well
https://i.imgur.com/6oD1Yb1.png
https://media.tenor.com/images/5537078ad7a203365e18acaedf7854df/tenor.gif
Aspirin
09-12-2020, 07:50 PM
They are Central Europeans today, only some aspects of their culture is Vlach in origin.
Daco Celtic
09-12-2020, 07:57 PM
They are Central Europeans today, only some aspects of their culture is Vlach in origin.
I'm sure the Vlachness has been watered down since they were a small minority to begin with but the cultural aspects are interesting
Daco Celtic
09-13-2020, 02:37 AM
Apparently, Vlach is Czech surname. https://www.surnamedb.com/Surname/Vlach
from Vlach ‘Italian’, ‘Romanian’, or ‘Wallachian’. This vocabulary word originally meant ‘foreigner’; it is cognate with German welsch meaning ‘Latin’ or ‘Romance-speaking’, and ultimately with Old English wćlisc ‘foreign’ and modern English Welsh. At the time when surnames were formed, the Czech word was applied chiefly to Italians, but also to Romanians. from a pet form of any of various personal names beginning with Vla-, for example Vlastislav or Vladislav.
Vlach was first applied in medieval times by the Czechs to refugee Italians and Rumanians, who were (are) also known as Walchians. It is unclear when or where the surname was first recorded, as church registers for many parts of Europe particularly those under former Communist control have been destroyed. From those available we have recordings such as Johan Vlach at Kobylnice, Brno, Czech Republic, on August 27th 1746, and Simon Vlahovic at Tinjan, Slovenia, on April 4th 1914.
https://i.imgur.com/1PUVaK9.jpg
Ion Basescul
09-13-2020, 10:19 AM
Apparently, Vlach is Czech surname. https://www.surnamedb.com/Surname/Vlach
from Vlach ‘Italian’, ‘Romanian’, or ‘Wallachian’. This vocabulary word originally meant ‘foreigner’; it is cognate with German welsch meaning ‘Latin’ or ‘Romance-speaking’, and ultimately with Old English wćlisc ‘foreign’ and modern English Welsh. At the time when surnames were formed, the Czech word was applied chiefly to Italians, but also to Romanians. from a pet form of any of various personal names beginning with Vla-, for example Vlastislav or Vladislav.
Vlach was first applied in medieval times by the Czechs to refugee Italians and Rumanians, who were (are) also known as Walchians. It is unclear when or where the surname was first recorded, as church registers for many parts of Europe particularly those under former Communist control have been destroyed. From those available we have recordings such as Johan Vlach at Kobylnice, Brno, Czech Republic, on August 27th 1746, and Simon Vlahovic at Tinjan, Slovenia, on April 4th 1914.
https://i.imgur.com/1PUVaK9.jpg
Those are rookie numbers. Check this out (town of Valozhyn my ass, when it peaks in Lviv and barely exists along the border with Belarus :lol:...and what surnames trace to names of towns anyway?):
https://i.imgur.com/m9aqKsI.png
It more likely comes from Voloh, which is just another name for Vlach.
They are Central Europeans today, only some aspects of their culture is Vlach in origin.
Central European is a codeword for Vlach™ lite.
vbnetkhio
09-13-2020, 10:29 AM
Moravian Wallachia. Interesting group. Anybody here know much about them?
there was an y-dna study on them.
they tested 2 groups, self-declared Vlachs, and those with surnames of Vlach origin. the first group had normal Czech y-dna proportions, while the second was similar to Romanians.
Mikula
09-14-2020, 07:12 PM
I am from this area, respective from its edge. The area was colonized by Slavs before the Vlach colonization. When they came they asimilated with locals.
Mikula
09-14-2020, 07:15 PM
That's what I told my neighbor yesterday
Donald Trump married Ivana Zelníčková (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivana_Trump) in 1977, she is from Zlín (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zl%C3%ADn), Moravian Walachia
Ion Basescul
09-14-2020, 07:30 PM
I am from this area, respective from its edge. The area was colonized by Slavs before the Vlach colonization. When they came they asimilated with locals.
mtDNA V for Vlach?
Polak
09-14-2020, 07:32 PM
I am from this area, respective from its edge. The area was colonized by Slavs before the Vlach colonization. When they came they asimilated with locals.
Do you know if Moravian Vlachs immigrated to Volhynia?
Daco Celtic
09-14-2020, 10:34 PM
Those are rookie numbers. Check this out (town of Valozhyn my ass, when it peaks in Lviv and barely exists along the border with Belarus :lol:...and what surnames trace to names of towns anyway?):
https://i.imgur.com/m9aqKsI.png
It more likely comes from Voloh, which is just another name for Vlach.
Not really Vlachs but Vlachish with their Carpathian oriented culture. Ukrainian Hutsul
https://youtu.be/rb6GMSG2cEY
Daco Celtic
09-14-2020, 10:56 PM
I am from this area, respective from its edge. The area was colonized by Slavs before the Vlach colonization. When they came they asimilated with locals.
Is the "Kingdom of Wallachia" thing still a running joke? Pretty funny. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Wallachia
Mikula
09-15-2020, 07:07 PM
Is the "Kingdom of Wallachia" thing still a running joke? Pretty funny. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Wallachia
Look here (http://www.valasske-kralovstvi.cz/en/wallachian-kingdom)
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