How much South Asian do you score on GEDmatch: k13, k15, k36 calculators

[samario]

Me.

k13 1.34
k15 0.92
k36 0.20

[hmaohma78]

K13 1.03
K15 1
K36 0

[Chris596]

0% on all of them.

Looks like there was no mixing between my ancestors and Roma people.

[Mixdguy17]

K13

South Asian -


K15

South Asian -

K36

South Asian -
South Central Asian -

[Thambi]

K13 - 69.22%
K15 - 72.71%
K36 - 63.99%

[WeirdLookingFellow]

0% on all of them.

Looks like there was no mixing between my ancestors and Roma people.

Armenians have an average of 3.41 on the gedmatch spreadsheet, with the Adyge at 2.72. A lot of Europeans score this as a residual from presumably some old CHG particle from Yamnaya.

Basescu for example doesn't really take S. Asian into consideration in Romanians if it's under 3 or 4% tho personally if you score over 2% I'd test the parents to see if they score more. There were Serb results somewhere of a girl with 2% or so but her mom scored 4 or 4.5%.

K13 0.10 Pc
K15 0.24 Pct
K36 0

[Kyp]

Eurogenes is very bad calculator when it comes to detecting South Asian DNA.

K13: 5.06
K15: 4.62
k36: 1.70

[WeirdLookingFellow]

Eurogenes is very bad calculator when it comes to detecting South Asian DNA.

K13: 5.06
K15: 4.62
k36: 1.70

It seems to be fine if ur actually Roma admix but if it's 1/8th or less you can't really tell.

[Kyp]

It seems to be fine if ur actually Roma admix but if it's 1/8th or less you can't really tell.

On K13 and K15 it contains a lot of Gedrosian/Iran_Neolithic

[happycow]

k13: South_Asian 2.27 Pct
k15: South_Asian 2.22 Pct
k36: South_Asian 0; South_Central_Asian 3.14 Pct

[Leto]

Below 1 percent.

[Leto]

It seems to be fine if ur actually Roma admix but if it's 1/8th or less you can't really tell.
Roma are not the only possible source of South Asian in Europeans. Many Russians score 1-2% but there is no widespread Romani influence in Russia. Romani people do exist in the East Slavic countries but they couldn't have impacted the remaining 99+ percent of the population.

[Leto]

On K13 and K15 it contains a lot of Gedrosian/Iran_Neolithic
Yes, always check HarappaWorld and/or Dodecad K12b.

[WeirdLookingFellow]

Roma are not the only possible source of South Asian in Europeans. Many Russians score 1-2% but there is no widespread Romani influence in Russia. Romani people do exist in the East Slavic countries but they couldn't have impacted the remaining 99+ percent of the population.

Yes I was talking mostly about places with more widespread Roma presence like the Balkans, not Europe in general. Like I noted in the previous post, a lot of Europeans score some due to it not being fully S. Asian like Kyp said.

[Vojnik]

0% in all.

[Aspirin]

Roma are not the only possible source of South Asian in Europeans. Many Russians score 1-2% but there is no widespread Romani influence in Russia. Romani people do exist in the East Slavic countries but they couldn't have impacted the remaining 99+ percent of the population.

High South Asian (2-3.5%) mostly is related to Mongoloid admixture.

[Leto]

High South Asian (2-3.5%) mostly is related to Mongoloid admixture.
Not sure about that. More Mongoloid Turkics like Kyrgyz and Kazakhs score less than Azerbaijanis or Kurds. The Mongols themselves don't have much South Asian, maybe 1 or 2%.

[Adamm]

K13: 0%
K15: 0%
K36: 0%

[Chris596]

High South Asian (2-3.5%) mostly is related to Mongoloid admixture.

Not true at all. Then why do I score always 2-3% East Asian but 0% South Asian? They are distant from each other (geographically and genetically too)

[Helen]

k13 0.65
k15 0.05
k36 0.44

[Aspirin]

Not sure about that. More Mongoloid Turkics like Kyrgyz and Kazakhs score less than Azerbaijanis or Kurds. The Mongols themselves don't have much South Asian, maybe 1 or 2%.

Most people with high South Asian have and high Siberian or East Asian many times. Especially is seen in results of Hungarians, Romanians, Moldavians, lesser Bulgarians, Serbs, or Croats. Many Turkics in fact have visible high South Asian.

For example just look at the results of these three Csango brothers posted by andre, look at the last one, he have lesser Siberian and East Asian, but high South Asian. Under South Asian is hidden part of Mongoloid influence.



CSANGO_ROMAN_1

6 East_Asian 4.67
7 Amerindian 2.4
9 Siberian 0.4
10 South_Asian 0.08

CSANGO_ROMAN_2

6 Siberian 3.06
7 East_Asian 3.02

CSANGO_ROMAN_3

6 East_Asian 2.93
7 South_Asian 2.48
8 Siberian 1.7
9 Amerindian 0.99
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?330080-Csangos-from-northen-Siret-GEDMATCH

Plus these Cangos from Dunai thread, I highly doubt what person with 3.04 South Asian have Gypsy ancestry, he have and high Siberian too, 2.96.
https://i.imgur.com/vzrp8Vs.png

[Kaspias]

Not true at all. Then why do I score always 2-3% East Asian but 0% South Asian? They are distant from each other (geographically and genetically too)

Aspirin is right. SA can be carried by Turkic migration in most of the cases. Yet there are groups which don't score SA at all.

Balkan Turks usually score like 8% EE and 2% SA.

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasus 23.61
2 North_European 21.8
3 Atlantic_Med 19.69
4 Gedrosia 11.44
5 Siberian 8
6 Southwest_Asian 7.48
7 East_Asian 3.79
8 South_Asian 2.95
9 Northwest_African 1
10 East_African 0.24

[Leto]

South Asian on K13 is heavily Caucasoid, especially in small amounts. Don't focus on one calculator only, Kyp is right.

[Chris596]

Aspirin is right. SA can be carried by Turkic migration in most of the cases. Yet there are groups which don't score SA at all.

Balkan Turks usually score like 8% EE and 2% SA.

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasus 23.61
2 North_European 21.8
3 Atlantic_Med 19.69
4 Gedrosia 11.44
5 Siberian 8
6 Southwest_Asian 7.48
7 East_Asian 3.79
8 South_Asian 2.95
9 Northwest_African 1
10 East_African 0.24

Yes, I understand that. But saying that South Asian admixture comes with Mongoloid ancestry is not exactly right. As you can see there are Mongoloids who don't have South Asian admixture. I believe original Magyars (in the Ural Mountain) didn't have South Asian admixture, like the majority of North/Northeast Asians.

I'm not sure about the Huns for example (possible ancient ancestry of my father) , but you know ancient GEDmatch samples much better than me, I'm sure.

[paradox]

K13- 1.09
K15- 0.87
K36- 0

Father
K13- 0
K15- 0
K36- 0

[Kaspias]

Yes, I understand that. But saying that South Asian admixture comes with Mongoloid ancestry is not exactly right. As you can see there are Mongoloids who don't have South Asian admixture. I believe original Magyars (in the Ural Mountain) didn't have South Asian admixture, like the majority of North/Northeast Asians.

I'm not sure about the Huns for example (possible ancient ancestry of my father) , but you know ancient GEDmatch samples much better than me, I'm sure.

All groups of Ural-Altay are/were carrying some degree of SCA admixture. It depends on the calculator of how much of it's percentage will be read as South Asian. Ancient samples like DA89 or so usually get around 2% on Eurogenes K13 but gets a huge SCA in MDLP K23b. So, SA among Turkic can be regarded as an extension of Iranic admixture.

[Leto]

Yes, I understand that. But saying that South Asian admixture comes with Mongoloid ancestry is not exactly right. As you can see there are Mongoloids who don't have South Asian admixture. I believe original Magyars (in the Ural Mountain) didn't have South Asian admixture, like the majority of North/Northeast Asians.

I'm not sure about the Huns for example (possible ancient ancestry of my father) , but you know ancient GEDmatch samples much better than me, I'm sure.
South Asian is not related to East Asian, that's for sure. Two different things. Whether Turkics score it or not is a different question and they are very heterogeneous.

[Aspirin]

South Asian on K13 is heavily Caucasoid, especially in small amounts. Don't focus on one calculator only, Kyp is right.

Hou about this woman?

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?246872-Northwest-Russian-GEDmatch&highlight=russian+gedmatch

[Leto]

Hou about this woman?

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?246872-Northwest-Russian-GEDmatch&highlight=russian+gedmatch
And what about her?

# Population Percent
1 North_European 62.28
2 Atlantic_Med 21
3 Caucasus 8.64
4 Gedrosia 4.39
5 Siberian 2.87
6 South_Asian 0.83

She scores less East Eurasian than an average Russian. What the fuck are you suggesting? She is very Baltic, again more than an average Russian. She has neither Turkic nor Gypsy admixture, it's fucking obvious.

[Aspirin]

Yes, I understand that. But saying that South Asian admixture comes with Mongoloid ancestry is not exactly right. As you can see there are Mongoloids who don't have South Asian admixture. I believe original Magyars (in the Ural Mountain) didn't have South Asian admixture, like the majority of North/Northeast Asians.

I'm not sure about the Huns for example (possible ancient ancestry of my father) , but you know ancient GEDmatch samples much better than me, I'm sure.

Ironically, Hungarians score the most high South Asian compared with their neighbours, except Romania.

[Aspirin]

And what about her?
She has neither Turkic nor Gypsy.

Mostly this, her South Asian is not related to Gypsies, can be related to Finno-Ugrics assimilated by Slavs.

[Leto]

Once again, the Eurogenes "South Asian" component is heavily Gedrosian (Caucasoid), particularly if we're talking about small amounts in people with no apparent connection to the Indian subcontinent. Kyp's father i Azerbaijani/Iranian and he scores 10% South Asian on Eurogenes whereas on Harappa/Dodecad he got only 5%. The same was with Hadouken (Zaza/Kurd) 6% vs 2%. The thing is that those calculators do not capture all the nuances that exist.
And as always, 1+ percent may as well be simply noise or an ancient IE signal.

[Leto]

Mostly this, her South Asian is not related to Gypsies, can be related to Finno-Ugrics assimilated by Slavs.
More like Baltic and Baltic-Finnic to me. Not Volga Finnic since she is from Pskov. Closer to Estonia than Mordovia.

[samario]

I think South Asian is a Caucasoid component, yeah. Nothing Mongoloid about it. (or Gypsy in small amounts).

Judging by this thread, some Europeans and Palestinians (happycow) score a little South Asian.

[Leto]

With ACTUAL direct Indian ancestry it's a little different. In such cases Harappa/Dodecad will reduce the percentage only slightly.

Consider this example:

A full Bulgarian Gypsy living in Hessen, Germany
photo (https://scontent.fhrk1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/fr/cp0/e15/q65/118995641_10221321603762670_6446539340811341154_n. jpg?_nc_cat=106&_nc_sid=85a577&efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9&_nc_eui2=AeEpOyBKYp-SIN-lK6B-TzmfzJmwLbpjmZ3MmbAtumOZnfpxB3wRRWPY3jUirr5DhE11ea kYWzmFU8Oj1pDuHs5v&_nc_ohc=w5NxjZP1TR0AX8xPxl1&_nc_ht=scontent.fhrk1-1.fna&tp=14&oh=9b98d9f9d65e1fb43dd61c158db0d547&oe=5F8BCB10)

North_Atlantic 9.01 Pct
Baltic 7.40 Pct
West_Med 13.32 Pct
West_Asian 19.56 Pct
East_Med 19.88 Pct
Red_Sea 2.05 Pct
South_Asian 26.72 Pct
East_Asian 1.22 Pct
Siberian -
Amerindian -
Oceanian 0.79 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

Distance to: Luba
4.12629374 Balkan_Gypsy
8.64325170 Romani
20.22516255 Parsi_India
25.96100537 Turkmen
26.10462986 Turk_Edirne
26.19953244 Afghan_Tadjik
26.65282912 Iran_Bandari
26.71138896 Iran_Centraleast
26.72837444 Turk_South
26.98356537 Turk_Anatolia

Target: Luba
Distance: 2.4578% / 2.45776099 | ADC: 0.25x
83.6 Balkan_Gypsy
14.0 Parsi_India
2.2 Sardinian
0.2 Velamas

Gedrosia 16.63 Pct
Siberian -
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 0.90 Pct
Atlantic_Med 14.56 Pct
North_European 11.12 Pct
South_Asian 21.20 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 9.50 Pct
East_Asian 0.15 Pct
Caucasus 25.93 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Distance to: Luba
4.70275451 Balkan_Gypsy
19.05327793 Parsi_India
20.89649253 Tajik_Herat
20.93037745 Iran_Khorasan
22.45055679 Turkmen_Iran
23.19823485 Tajik_Kabul
23.53392233 Iranian_Fars
23.58517543 Turk_Northwest
23.64452368 Turk_Southwest
23.75812072 Bnei_Menashe_Jews

Target: Luba
Distance: 2.3029% / 2.30288800 | ADC: 0.25x
81.6 Balkan_Gypsy
6.8 Syrians
5.8 Bnei_Menashe_Jews
5.8 Parsi_India
As you can see the Dodecad score is ca. 80% of the Eurogenes one. The same was with Mortimer and another guy who got 5-6% South Asian.

[Leto]

Mongolian 2.93 4.38 1.13 7.15 1.42 0.54 1.22 30.75 48.10 1.67 0.58 0.05 0.08
Tuvinian 2.35 7.30 0.57 4.02 0.24 0.55 1.60 23.23 56.57 2.50 0.71 0.05 0.29
Buryat 0.47 3.04 1.11 5.10 1.22 0.73 0.74 26.85 58.82 1.44 0.26 0.21 0.01
Altaian 4.25 9.58 0.55 8.32 0.14 0.23 2.94 21.39 48.62 3.21 0.51 0.01 0.25
Hakas 3.88 16.30 0.23 9.81 0.02 0.06 3.33 17.07 44.91 3.88 0.15 0.14 0.21
Kazakh 7.42 11.87 1.47 12.28 0.99 0.86 3.34 22.47 36.11 2.22 0.91 0.05 0.03
Kirgiz 5.81 7.94 1.15 12.69 2.05 0.34 4.21 24.46 37.76 2.56 0.91 0.04 0.08

Looks like the more Steppe ancestry the higher is the South Asian, although Central Asian Turkics might have actual Bactria-Margiana type of ancestry too.

[Hamilcar]

K13 0
K15 0
K36 0

[mitalit]

k13: 0
k15: 0
k36: 0

[El_Abominacion]

Me:

K13: 22.40 Pct

K15: 23.32 Pct

K36: 17.40 Pct


Mum:

K13: 22.52 Pct

K15: 23.74 Pct

K36: 17.13 Pct


Autosomally I am 40% South Asian and my Mum is 50%. My pred. South Asian grandmother on my father's side was about 65% South Asian from what i'm assuming is Bihar, so the AASI will be proportionally higher than on my mothers South Asian side (North Pakistani)

[Dr_Maul]

K13: 11.39 Pct
K15: 12.19 Pct
K36: 0 (? dafuq)

[Leto]

K13: 11.39 Pct
K15: 12.19 Pct
K36: 0 (? dafuq)
And on Harappa and Dodecad you score only 5-6%.

[Leto]

Me:

K13: 22.40 Pct

K15: 23.32 Pct

K36: 17.40 Pct


Mum:

K13: 22.52 Pct

K15: 23.74 Pct

K36: 17.13 Pct


Autosomally I am 40% South Asian and my Mum is 50%. My pred. South Asian grandmother on my father's side was about 65% South Asian from what i'm assuming is Bihar, so the AASI will be proportionally higher than on my mothers South Asian side (North Pakistani)
Your maternal grandfather was a Muslim Jatt? He would have been ca. 45% South Asian, pretty much like Punjabi Jatts.

[El_Abominacion]

Your maternal grandfather was a Muslim Jatt? He would have been ca. 45% South Asian, pretty much like Punjabi Jatts.

His family were Azad Kashmiris from around the Mirpur region, though most Mirpuris identify as Kashmiri they're pretty much in line with Northern Paki Punjabis. They aren't 'proper' Kashmiris like those from the valley. i I will send you my mother's harappa in PM, I don't want to derail this thread

[Kyp]

K13: 11.39 Pct
K15: 12.19 Pct
K36: 0 (? dafuq)

I guess on K36 your South Central Asian score is very high. For example my father scores South Asian on K36 but his SouthCentral Asian (Gedrosian) is very low for Iranian standards.

[Dr_Maul]

I guess on K36 your South Central Asian score is very high. For example my father scores South Asian on K36 but his SouthCentral Asian (Gedrosian) is very low for Iranian standards.

Yeah probably
South Central Asian: 25.96 Pct
Compared to Harappworld
Baloch 27.21 Pct (with 4 percent South Asian)

[Chris596]

Ironically, Hungarians score the most high South Asian compared with their neighbours, except Romania.

Not me :wink

[PAGANE]

K13-1,00
K15-0.72
K36-South_Central_Asian 1.06
South_Asian- 0

[Dušan]

K13: South_Asian 0.72 Pct

K15: South_Asian 0.05 Pct

K36: -

[knez01]

0 on all

[Seya]

k13 0.00
k15 0.00
k36 0.00

[InfamousAngel99]

K13: 1.14
K15: 0.49
K36: 0

[calxpal]

K13: 1.17
K15: 0.77
K36: 0.65 (South Central Asian)

[Erronkari]

K13: South_Asian: 1.23
k15: South_Asian: 0.97
k36: Soth_Asian: 0 *

* On K36 I score 0 "South Asian", but 2.03 "South_Central_Asian".
I don't know if SCA is related to SA... I think that it's more related to afhgans, pakis and persians, and just northwest indians. But it seems different to properly SA... Even I am not sure.

[Chaos One]

K13: 2.27
K15: 2.49
K36: 2.28

[Erronkari]

K13: 2.27
K15: 2.49
K36: 2.28

It has to do your central asian ancestry.