Turk from Greek Macedonia Result

[Mingle]

He's a Turk from Istanbul with roots in Langadas, Central Macedonia, Greece.

His Y-DNA is I-PH908.

Description about his background:


"Where i am from there are a lot of people called „patriyot“, who are greek muslims from Thessaloniki. But they all know that their heritage is greek. That‘s why im doubting i am greek, cause my whole family thinks we are turkish .I mean the point with language is understandable. But at least they should know where their ancestors are from."



MyHeritage

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Eurogenes K13

Admix Results (sorted):


# Population Percent
1 East_Med 24.15
2 Baltic 22.84
3 North_Atlantic 16.6
4 West_Med 16.12
5 West_Asian 12.89
6 South_Asian 2.75
7 Red_Sea 2.12
8 Oceanian 1.17
9 Northeast_African 1.01
10 East_Asian 0.36


Single Population Sharing:


# Population (source) Distance
1 Bulgarian 6.66
2 Greek_Thessaly 7.96
3 Romanian 9.22
4 Serbian 12.97
5 Central_Greek 13.54
6 East_Sicilian 14.7
7 Italian_Abruzzo 14.87
8 Ashkenazi 15.33
9 West_Sicilian 16.24
10 Tuscan 16.87
11 Moldavian 16.96
12 South_Italian 17.92
13 North_Italian 19.71
14 Croatian 20.15
15 Hungarian 20.75
16 Algerian_Jewish 22.5
17 Italian_Jewish 22.72
18 Sephardic_Jewish 22.89
19 Austrian 23.98
20 Turkish 25.22


Mixed Mode Population Sharing:


# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 50.6% Cyprian + 49.4% Ukrainian @ 3.16
2 50.5% Cyprian + 49.5% South_Polish @ 3.48
3 57% Croatian + 43% Cyprian @ 3.6
4 53.5% Cyprian + 46.5% Polish @ 3.63
5 61.3% Moldavian + 38.7% Cyprian @ 3.68
6 50.5% Ukrainian_Lviv + 49.5% Cyprian @ 3.7
7 86% Bulgarian + 14% Iranian_Jewish @ 3.93
8 66.7% Moldavian + 33.3% Lebanese_Christian @ 3.94
9 54.9% Cyprian + 45.1% Estonian_Polish @ 3.95
10 65.9% Moldavian + 34.1% Lebanese_Druze @ 3.97
11 54.5% Cyprian + 45.5% Russian_Smolensk @ 3.99
12 58.5% Cyprian + 41.5% Estonian @ 4.12
13 86.5% Bulgarian + 13.5% Kurdish_Jewish @ 4.13
14 55.3% Cyprian + 44.7% Belorussian @ 4.14
15 85.9% Bulgarian + 14.1% Lebanese_Druze @ 4.15
16 52.5% Cyprian + 47.5% Southwest_Russian @ 4.15
17 62.6% Croatian + 37.4% Lebanese_Christian @ 4.16
18 58.5% Cyprian + 41.5% Lithuanian @ 4.17
19 86.1% Bulgarian + 13.9% Assyrian @ 4.23
20 85.7% Bulgarian + 14.3% Jordanian @ 4.26

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Eurogenes K15


Admix Results (sorted):


# Population Percent
1 East_Med 22.86
2 Baltic 13.14
3 Atlantic 12.75
4 West_Med 12.04
5 Eastern_Euro 11.91
6 West_Asian 11.56
7 North_Sea 9.73
8 South_Asian 2.53
9 Red_Sea 1.98
10 Oceanian 0.9
11 Northeast_African 0.59


Single Population Sharing:


# Population (source) Distance
1 Greek 7.3
2 Bulgarian 8.11
3 Greek_Thessaly 8.95
4 Romanian 10.19
5 Ashkenazi 11.09
6 Central_Greek 11.89
7 Italian_Abruzzo 12.51
8 East_Sicilian 13
9 Serbian 13.13
10 West_Sicilian 13.58
11 Tuscan 14.61
12 South_Italian 15.06
13 Moldavian 17.12
14 North_Italian 18.27
15 Italian_Jewish 18.28
16 Sephardic_Jewish 18.58
17 Algerian_Jewish 19.12
18 Croatian 19.24
19 Austrian 19.86
20 Hungarian 20.33


Mixed Mode Population Sharing:


# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 54.8% Cyprian + 45.2% Polish @ 4.25
2 54.7% Croatian + 45.3% Cyprian @ 4.37
3 56.3% Cyprian + 43.7% Estonian_Polish @ 4.45
4 54.3% Cyprian + 45.7% Russian_Smolensk @ 4.45
5 52.5% Cyprian + 47.5% South_Polish @ 4.47
6 67.4% South_Italian + 32.6% Erzya @ 4.51
7 54.4% Cyprian + 45.6% Southwest_Russian @ 4.61
8 52.8% Cyprian + 47.2% Ukrainian @ 4.71
9 81.8% Bulgarian + 18.2% Lebanese_Druze @ 4.75
10 57.8% Moldavian + 42.2% Cyprian @ 4.76
11 84.4% Greek + 15.6% Erzya @ 4.8
12 56.3% Cyprian + 43.7% Belorussian @ 4.83
13 53.8% Cyprian + 46.2% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 4.85
14 73.2% Central_Greek + 26.8% Erzya @ 4.87
15 56.1% Cyprian + 43.9% Kargopol_Russian @ 4.95
16 61.4% Croatian + 38.6% Lebanese_Druze @ 4.97
17 87.3% Greek + 12.7% Chuvash @ 5.04
18 66.9% South_Italian + 33.1% Kargopol_Russian @ 5.06
19 84.5% Greek + 15.5% Kargopol_Russian @ 5.06
20 58.7% Algerian_Jewish + 41.3% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 5.08




Eurogenes K36

Amerindian -
Arabian 4.79 Pct
Armenian 1.58 Pct
Basque 1.52 Pct
Central_African 0.08 Pct
Central_Euro 2.61 Pct
East_African -
East_Asian -
East_Balkan 6.34 Pct
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro 9.03 Pct
East_Med 8.34 Pct
Eastern_Euro 8.00 Pct
Fennoscandian 2.74 Pct
French 2.50 Pct
Iberian 5.60 Pct
Indo-Chinese -
Italian 17.18 Pct
Malayan -
Near_Eastern 6.77 Pct
North_African -
North_Atlantic 3.44 Pct
North_Caucasian 10.24 Pct
North_Sea -
Northeast_African -
Oceanian 0.23 Pct
Omotic -
Pygmy -
Siberian -
South_Asian -
South_Central_Asian 0.51 Pct
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural 2.11 Pct
West_African -
West_Caucasian 2.48 Pct
West_Med 3.91 Pct




Dodecad K12b




Admix Results (sorted):


# Population Percent
1 Caucasus 29.67
2 North_European 27.74
3 Atlantic_Med 21.59
4 Southwest_Asian 9.54
5 Gedrosia 7.6
6 South_Asian 2.08
7 Northwest_African 1.33
8 Southeast_Asian 0.46


Single Population Sharing:


# Population (source) Distance
1 Bulgarian (Dodecad) 8.58
2 Romanians (Behar) 9.92
3 Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) 10.21
4 Greek (Dodecad) 12.27
5 O_Italian (Dodecad) 12.82
6 C_Italian (Dodecad) 16.25
7 Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) 17.17
8 Ashkenazi (Dodecad) 17.65
9 Tuscan (HGDP) 17.77
10 S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) 18.06
11 TSI30 (Metspalu) 18.21
12 Sicilian (Dodecad) 18.27
13 N_Italian (Dodecad) 20.13
14 North_Italian (HGDP) 22.96
15 Sephardic_Jews (Behar) 23.15
16 Hungarians (Behar) 24.09
17 Turkish (Dodecad) 24.69
18 Morocco_Jews (Behar) 24.92
19 Turks (Behar) 26.44
20 Nogais (Yunusbayev) 27.02


Mixed Mode Population Sharing:


# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 58.7% Hungarians (Behar) + 41.3% Druze (HGDP) @ 3.02
2 78.5% Romanians (Behar) + 21.5% Iranians (Behar) @ 3.03
3 77.2% Romanians (Behar) + 22.8% Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) @ 3.09
4 81.2% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 18.8% Iranians (Behar) @ 3.15
5 75.9% Romanians (Behar) + 24.1% Lebanese (Behar) @ 3.31
6 78% Romanians (Behar) + 22% Kurd (Dodecad) @ 3.31
7 79.5% Romanians (Behar) + 20.5% Iraq_Jews (Behar) @ 3.31
8 77.2% Romanians (Behar) + 22.8% Syrians (Behar) @ 3.36
9 80% Romanians (Behar) + 20% Iranian_Jews (Behar) @ 3.39
10 78.2% Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) + 21.8% Iranians (Behar) @ 3.41
11 77.8% Romanians (Behar) + 22.2% Kurds (Yunusbayev) @ 3.48
12 78.1% Romanians (Behar) + 21.9% Iranian (Dodecad) @ 3.55
13 78.3% Romanians (Behar) + 21.7% Jordanians (Behar) @ 3.62
14 81.1% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 18.9% Kurd (Dodecad) @ 3.72
15 54.1% German (Dodecad) + 45.9% Druze (HGDP) @ 3.73
16 60.2% Hungarians (Behar) + 39.8% Assyrian (Dodecad) @ 3.77
17 81.1% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 18.9% Iranian (Dodecad) @ 3.78
18 80.4% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 19.6% Syrians (Behar) @ 3.79
19 60.2% Hungarians (Behar) + 39.8% Azerbaijan_Jews (Behar) @ 3.82
20 60.3% Hungarians (Behar) + 39.7% Iraq_Jews (Behar) @ 3.87

[CommonSense]

That‘s why im doubting i am greek, cause my whole family thinks we are turkish .I mean the point with language is understandable. But at least they should know where their ancestors are from."



10 East_Asian 0.36



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[Dr_Maul]

Its amazing how he has retained pretty much 100% assimilated blood, I know Balkan turks are generally less but not even 2%? thats tough

[DarknessWin]

Turks are a modern creation from Kemal. Turks are not exist at all and the old Asian turks that came to Anatolia assimilated to the natives. Most of them are close to Armenians and other Caucasians and the turks of European parts are close to natives of the region

[Fedora]

I think Patriyot would be closer to mainland Greeks based on one result i've seen.

[Kaspias]

There were no Patriyots in Langaza. This guy might be Pomak. Other Turks from Langaza(N=3) were scoring East Eurasian.

What is his kit number?

[Faklon]

What is Patrrotyok?

The guy most likely hails from Vallahades.

[Leto]

In my opinion, just an assimilated (apostate/Islamicized) Greek. Nothing Turkic about him. Pure mainland Greek.

[Kaspias]

What is Patrrotyok?

The guy most likely hails from Vallahades.

Vallahades are from Western Macedonia.

Patriyot = Vallahades.


In my opinion, just an assimilated (apostate/Islamicized) Greek. Nothing Turkic about him. Pure mainland Greek.

His results are in the same line with Slavic speakers of the region.

[Fedora]

What is Patrrotyok?

The guy most likely hails from Vallahades.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IitfYvD9Qw0

[Faklon]

Vallahades are from Western Macedonia.

Patriyot = Vallahades.



The biggest communities were in Western Macedonia like the biggest communities of Pomak Bulgarian speakers are located in Thrace. Langadas is almost Thessaloniki so he may hail from everywhere.

[Chris596]

Nice. Even he got East European on Myheritage, but not me xD

[Kaspias]

The biggest communities were in Western Macedonia like the biggest communities of Pomak Bulgarian speakers are located in Thrace. Langadas is almost Thessaloniki so he may hail from everywhere.

Vallahades is a given name to Muslim Greeks of Servia, and Ioannina Muslims often evaluated in the same umbrella as they speak Greek too. Kozani, Trikala, Kastoria were speaking Turkish despite they are in the same region, and evaluated as Turkish. It is not reasonable to explain the situation with being an extension while they couldn't even share their culture with their neighbor towns. They are far from being an ethnic group, just a small community that is converted.

On the other hand, Langaza was a Turkish and Pomak settlement. This result is like a genetic continuum of Drama Pomaks.


Turk from Langaza, for example:


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasus 30.91
2 Atlantic_Med 22.15
3 North_European 20.94
4 Southwest_Asian 11.09
5 Gedrosia 8.59
6 East_Asian 2.97
7 Siberian 2.16
8 Northwest_African 1.17
9 Sub_Saharan 0.02

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Crimean_Tatar_Coast @ 6,538746
2 Turk_Greece @ 6,983458
3 Italy_Apulia @ 7,125335
4 Turk_Macedonia @ 7,816578
5 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain @ 8,019274
6 Italy_Abruzzo @ 9,575038
7 Turk_Bulgaria @ 10,107372
8 MD_Jewish @ 10,598019
9 Italy_Sicily @ 10,651168
10 Italy_Lazio @ 10,822105
11 Greek @ 10,879887
12 Ashkenazi_Jews @ 11,247193
13 Albanian_Kosovo @ 11,340023
14 Italy_Campania @ 11,377185
15 Gagauz @ 12,006845
16 Italy_Marche @ 12,053528
17 R,Moldova_Gagauz @ 12,076895
18 Turk_Northwest @ 12,655844
19 Albanian_North @ 12,657675
20 Greek_Crete @ 12,657783
21 Italy_Calabria @ 12,809011
22 R,Moldova_South @ 13,741576
23 Turk_West_BlackSea @ 13,921749
24 Italy_Romagna @ 13,964651
25 Turk_Southwest @ 14,86634
26 Pomak @ 15,519295
27 Bulgarian @ 15,994562
28 Turk_Central_West @ 16,375176
29 Italy_Tuscany @ 16,626978
30 Macedonian @ 16,822687
335 iterations.

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 HUN_Szekely+Nusayri_Turkey @ 2,699639
2 Albanian_Kosovo+Turk_Northwest @ 2,729374
3 Greek_Crete+Turk_Bulgaria @ 2,811816
4 Albanian_North+Turk_Northwest @ 2,974518
5 Albanian_North+Turk_Southwest @ 3,003662
6 Albanian_Kosovo+Turk_Southwest @ 3,088358
7 Albanian_Kosovo+Turk_West_BlackSea @ 3,104547
8 Albanian_North+Turk_West_BlackSea @ 3,120487
9 Turk_Bulgaria+MD_Jewish @ 3,261451
10 Ashkenazi_Jews+Turk_Bulgaria @ 3,300001
11 Albanian_North+Turk_Central_West @ 3,438822
12 R,Moldova_South+Turk_Central_West @ 3,441856
13 R,Moldova_South+Turk_West_BlackSea @ 3,500643
14 Italy_FriuliVG+Turk_South @ 3,541672
15 Italy_Calabria+Turk_Bulgaria @ 3,576797
16 Italy_FriuliVG+Turk_Central_West @ 3,582908
17 Italy_FriuliVG+Turk_Anatolia @ 3,592622
18 Italy_FriuliVG+Turk_Central_East @ 3,648983
19 Macedonian+Turk_Central_West @ 3,64977
20 Italy_FriuliVG+Turk_Central_Black_Sea @ 3,651503
21 Albanian_North+Turk_Anatolia @ 3,704365
22 Albanian_Kosovo+Turk_Central_West @ 3,733094
23 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain+Italy_Lazio @ 3,761473
24 R,Moldova_South+Turk_Southwest @ 3,824852
25 Nusayri_Turkey+Serb @ 3,854429
26 R,Moldova_South+Turk_Anatolia @ 3,900072
27 Montenegrin+Turk_Central_West @ 3,972767
28 Albanian_Kosovo+Turk_Anatolia @ 3,97289
29 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain+Italy_Apulia @ 3,985599
30 Italy_Sicily+Turk_Bulgaria @ 3,99861
56280 iterations.

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Greek_Crete +25% Slovenian +25% Yoruk @ 1,878144
2 50% Turk_Greece +25% Ashkenazi_Jews +25% Turk_Northwest @ 1,923259
3 50% Greek_Crete +25% Hungarians +25% Yoruk @ 1,9238
4 50% Turk_Greece +25% Turk_Northwest +25% MD_Jewish @ 1,965078
5 50% Italy_FriuliVG +25% Nogais +25% Syrians @ 1,985064
6 50% Greek_Crete +25% Slovenian +25% Turk_Northwest @ 2,014284
7 50% Greek_Crete +25% Slovak +25% Turk_Southwest @ 2,05273
8 50% Turk_Greece +25% Italy_Apulia +25% Turk_Southwest @ 2,062935
9 50% Turk_Greece +25% Italy_Apulia +25% Turk_Northwest @ 2,064048
10 50% Greek_Crete +25% Slovak +25% Yoruk @ 2,074739
11 50% Turk_Greece +25% Italy_Campania +25% Turk_Northwest @ 2,094963
12 50% Crimean_Tatar_Mountain +25% English_Kent +25% Samaritians @ 2,098615
13 50% Greek_Crete +25% Hungarians +25% Turk_Southwest @ 2,102958
14 50% Greek_Crete +25% Slovenian +25% Turk_Southwest @ 2,110513
15 50% R,Moldova_South +25% Greek_Crete +25% Yoruk @ 2,121971
16 50% Greek_Crete +25% Hungarians +25% Turk_Northwest @ 2,129294
17 50% Montenegrin +25% Nusayri_Turkey +25% Turk_Southwest @ 2,135149
18 50% Turk_Greece +25% Italy_Apulia +25% Turk_West_BlackSea @ 2,144492
19 50% Turk_Greece +25% Italy_Lazio +25% Turk_South @ 2,154373
20 50% R,Moldova_South +25% Ashkenazi_Jews +25% Turk_South @ 2,155733
21 50% Turk_Greece +25% Italy_Abruzzo +25% Turk_Southwest @ 2,181349
22 50% Turk_Greece +25% Italy_Abruzzo +25% Turk_Northwest @ 2,205476
23 50% Crimean_Tatar_Mountain +25% French2 +25% Samaritians @ 2,206563
24 50% Crimean_Tatar_Mountain +25% French +25% Samaritians @ 2,206721
25 50% Turk_Greece +25% Nusayri_Turkey +25% Turk_Bulgaria @ 2,217404
26 50% Ashkenazi_Jews +25% Slovak +25% Turk_Central_Black_Sea @ 2,22252
27 50% Turk_Greece +25% Italy_Sicily +25% Turk_Northwest @ 2,223943
28 50% Crimean_Tatar_Mountain +25% CEU30 +25% Samaritians @ 2,225946
29 50% Macedonian +25% Nusayri_Turkey +25% Turk_Northwest @ 2,226328
30 50% Ashkenazi_Jews +25% Hungarians +25% Turk_South @ 2,23417
9913055 iterations.

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Druze+Hungarians+Italy_Emilia+Yoruk @ 1,300996
2 Druze+Hungarians+Italy_Tuscany+Yoruk @ 1,334403
3 Italy_Marche+Mixed_NW_Euro+Nogais+Samaritians @ 1,364808
4 Cornwall+Greek+Nogais+Samaritians @ 1,401075
5 British+Greek+Nogais+Samaritians @ 1,403358
6 Druze+Hungarians+Italy_Liguria+Yoruk @ 1,433014
7 Bosnian+Druze+Italy_Trentino+Yoruk @ 1,438279
8 British_Isles+Italy_Abruzzo+Nogais+Samaritians @ 1,444095
9 British_Isles+Italy_Campania+Nogais+Samaritians @ 1,457729
10 Croat+Druze+Italy_FriuliVG+Yoruk @ 1,478935
11 English_Kent+Italy_Abruzzo+Nogais+Samaritians @ 1,481213
12 English+Italy_Abruzzo+Nogais+Samaritians @ 1,487256
13 CEU30+Italy_Abruzzo+Nogais+Samaritians @ 1,491002
14 Druze+HUN_Szekely+Italy_FriuliVG+Turk_Northwest @ 1,493267
15 Cypriots+Greek_Crete+Swedish+Yoruk @ 1,497338
16 Druze+Italy_Tuscany+Slovak+Yoruk @ 1,513263
17 Albanian_Kosovo+French+Nogais+Samaritians @ 1,524415
18 Croat+Druze+Italy_Piedmont+Yoruk @ 1,526996
19 Albanian_Kosovo+French2+Nogais+Samaritians @ 1,530674
20 Bosnian+Druze+Swiss_Italian+Yoruk @ 1,534719
21 Croat+Druze+Italy_Veneto+Yoruk @ 1,539221
22 Greek+Irish+Nogais+Samaritians @ 1,54512
23 Croat+Druze+Italy_Trentino+Yoruk @ 1,571853
24 Druze+Italy_Trentino+Serb+Yoruk @ 1,578216
25 Druze+HUN_Szekely+Italy_FriuliVG+Turk_Southwest @ 1,581107
26 Italy_Lazio+Mixed_NW_Euro+Nogais+Samaritians @ 1,587117
27 Dutch+Italy_Marche+Nogais+Samaritians @ 1,600463
28 Druze+Italy_Emilia+Slovenian+Yoruk @ 1,614759
29 Bosnian+Druze+Italy_Piedmont+Yoruk @ 1,628756
30 Greek+Nogais+Orcadian+Samaritians @ 1,631475
31 Italy_Campania+Nogais+Orkney+Samaritians @ 1,637107
32 Druze+Italy_Romagna+Slovak+Yoruk @ 1,641164
33 Bosnian+Druze+Italy_FriuliVG+Yoruk @ 1,646379
34 Bavarian_German+Druze+R,Moldova_South+Yoruk @ 1,64789
35 British+Italy_Abruzzo+Nogais+Samaritians @ 1,654891
36 English+Italy_Campania+Nogais+Samaritians @ 1,657412
37 CEU30+Italy_Campania+Nogais+Samaritians @ 1,660004
38 Bosnian+Druze+Italy_Veneto+Yoruk @ 1,667241
39 French+Nogais+Samaritians+Turk_Macedonia @ 1,668757
40 Druze+Italy_Tuscany+Slovenian+Yoruk @ 1,669181
41 Croat+Druze+Swiss_Italian+Yoruk @ 1,669292
42 Cornwall+Italy_Abruzzo+Nogais+Samaritians @ 1,669517
43 Argyll+Greek+Nogais+Samaritians @ 1,672695
44 Italy_Campania+Nogais+Orcadian+Samaritians @ 1,673063
45 Irish+Italy_Campania+Nogais+Samaritians @ 1,676164
46 Italy_Romagna+Mixed_NW_Euro+Nogais+Samaritians @ 1,679397
47 Cornwall+Italy_Apulia+Nogais+Samaritians @ 1,68075
48 Bavarian_German+Italy_Emilia+Nogais+Samaritians @ 1,681286
49 Druze+Italy_Emilia+Slovak+Yoruk @ 1,688489
50 Druze+Hungarians+Italy_Lombardy+Yoruk @ 1,690642
51 Druze+Italy_Liguria+Slovenian+Yoruk @ 1,697288
52 Druze+Italy_Veneto+Slovenian+Yoruk @ 1,703137
53 Druze+France_Corsica+PL_GreaterPoland+Yoruk @ 1,707069
54 British+Italy_Apulia+Nogais+Samaritians @ 1,716457
55 Druze+Hungarians+Italy_Romagna+Yoruk @ 1,721104
56 Croat+Druze+Italy_Lombardy+Yoruk @ 1,728256
57 English_Kent+Italy_Marche+Nogais+Samaritians @ 1,72848
58 Druze+Greek+Norwegian+Yoruk @ 1,729246
59 Druze+HUN_Szekely+Italy_FriuliVG+Yoruk @ 1,73198
60 Dutch+Italy_Abruzzo+Nogais+Samaritians @ 1,733582
74303592 iterations.

[Gaditanian]

10 East_Asian 0.36



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A true Steppe Warrior

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/PlaintiveDesertedDalmatian-small.gif

[Faklon]

Vallahades is a given name to Muslim Greeks of Servia, and Ioannina Muslims often evaluated in the same umbrella as they speak Greek too. Kozani, Trikala, Kastoria were speaking Turkish despite they are in the same region, and evaluated as Turkish. It is not reasonable to explain the situation with being an extension while they couldn't even share their culture with their neighbor towns. They are far from being an ethnic group, just a small community that is converted.

On the other hand, Langaza was a Turkish and Pomak settlement. This result is like a genetic continuum of Drama Pomaks.


Turk from Langaza, for example:


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasus 30.91
2 Atlantic_Med 22.15
3 North_European 20.94
4 Southwest_Asian 11.09
5 Gedrosia 8.59
6 East_Asian 2.97
7 Siberian 2.16
8 Northwest_African 1.17
9 Sub_Saharan 0.02

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Crimean_Tatar_Coast @ 6,538746
2 Turk_Greece @ 6,983458
3 Italy_Apulia @ 7,125335
4 Turk_Macedonia @ 7,816578
5 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain @ 8,019274
6 Italy_Abruzzo @ 9,575038
7 Turk_Bulgaria @ 10,107372
8 MD_Jewish @ 10,598019
9 Italy_Sicily @ 10,651168
10 Italy_Lazio @ 10,822105
11 Greek @ 10,879887
12 Ashkenazi_Jews @ 11,247193
13 Albanian_Kosovo @ 11,340023
14 Italy_Campania @ 11,377185
15 Gagauz @ 12,006845
16 Italy_Marche @ 12,053528
17 R,Moldova_Gagauz @ 12,076895
18 Turk_Northwest @ 12,655844
19 Albanian_North @ 12,657675
20 Greek_Crete @ 12,657783
21 Italy_Calabria @ 12,809011
22 R,Moldova_South @ 13,741576
23 Turk_West_BlackSea @ 13,921749
24 Italy_Romagna @ 13,964651
25 Turk_Southwest @ 14,86634
26 Pomak @ 15,519295
27 Bulgarian @ 15,994562
28 Turk_Central_West @ 16,375176
29 Italy_Tuscany @ 16,626978
30 Macedonian @ 16,822687
335 iterations.

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 HUN_Szekely+Nusayri_Turkey @ 2,699639
2 Albanian_Kosovo+Turk_Northwest @ 2,729374
3 Greek_Crete+Turk_Bulgaria @ 2,811816
4 Albanian_North+Turk_Northwest @ 2,974518
5 Albanian_North+Turk_Southwest @ 3,003662
6 Albanian_Kosovo+Turk_Southwest @ 3,088358
7 Albanian_Kosovo+Turk_West_BlackSea @ 3,104547
8 Albanian_North+Turk_West_BlackSea @ 3,120487
9 Turk_Bulgaria+MD_Jewish @ 3,261451
10 Ashkenazi_Jews+Turk_Bulgaria @ 3,300001
11 Albanian_North+Turk_Central_West @ 3,438822
12 R,Moldova_South+Turk_Central_West @ 3,441856
13 R,Moldova_South+Turk_West_BlackSea @ 3,500643
14 Italy_FriuliVG+Turk_South @ 3,541672
15 Italy_Calabria+Turk_Bulgaria @ 3,576797
16 Italy_FriuliVG+Turk_Central_West @ 3,582908
17 Italy_FriuliVG+Turk_Anatolia @ 3,592622
18 Italy_FriuliVG+Turk_Central_East @ 3,648983
19 Macedonian+Turk_Central_West @ 3,64977
20 Italy_FriuliVG+Turk_Central_Black_Sea @ 3,651503
21 Albanian_North+Turk_Anatolia @ 3,704365
22 Albanian_Kosovo+Turk_Central_West @ 3,733094
23 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain+Italy_Lazio @ 3,761473
24 R,Moldova_South+Turk_Southwest @ 3,824852
25 Nusayri_Turkey+Serb @ 3,854429
26 R,Moldova_South+Turk_Anatolia @ 3,900072
27 Montenegrin+Turk_Central_West @ 3,972767
28 Albanian_Kosovo+Turk_Anatolia @ 3,97289
29 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain+Italy_Apulia @ 3,985599
30 Italy_Sicily+Turk_Bulgaria @ 3,99861
56280 iterations.

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Greek_Crete +25% Slovenian +25% Yoruk @ 1,878144
2 50% Turk_Greece +25% Ashkenazi_Jews +25% Turk_Northwest @ 1,923259
3 50% Greek_Crete +25% Hungarians +25% Yoruk @ 1,9238
4 50% Turk_Greece +25% Turk_Northwest +25% MD_Jewish @ 1,965078
5 50% Italy_FriuliVG +25% Nogais +25% Syrians @ 1,985064
6 50% Greek_Crete +25% Slovenian +25% Turk_Northwest @ 2,014284
7 50% Greek_Crete +25% Slovak +25% Turk_Southwest @ 2,05273
8 50% Turk_Greece +25% Italy_Apulia +25% Turk_Southwest @ 2,062935
9 50% Turk_Greece +25% Italy_Apulia +25% Turk_Northwest @ 2,064048
10 50% Greek_Crete +25% Slovak +25% Yoruk @ 2,074739
11 50% Turk_Greece +25% Italy_Campania +25% Turk_Northwest @ 2,094963
12 50% Crimean_Tatar_Mountain +25% English_Kent +25% Samaritians @ 2,098615
13 50% Greek_Crete +25% Hungarians +25% Turk_Southwest @ 2,102958
14 50% Greek_Crete +25% Slovenian +25% Turk_Southwest @ 2,110513
15 50% R,Moldova_South +25% Greek_Crete +25% Yoruk @ 2,121971
16 50% Greek_Crete +25% Hungarians +25% Turk_Northwest @ 2,129294
17 50% Montenegrin +25% Nusayri_Turkey +25% Turk_Southwest @ 2,135149
18 50% Turk_Greece +25% Italy_Apulia +25% Turk_West_BlackSea @ 2,144492
19 50% Turk_Greece +25% Italy_Lazio +25% Turk_South @ 2,154373
20 50% R,Moldova_South +25% Ashkenazi_Jews +25% Turk_South @ 2,155733
21 50% Turk_Greece +25% Italy_Abruzzo +25% Turk_Southwest @ 2,181349
22 50% Turk_Greece +25% Italy_Abruzzo +25% Turk_Northwest @ 2,205476
23 50% Crimean_Tatar_Mountain +25% French2 +25% Samaritians @ 2,206563
24 50% Crimean_Tatar_Mountain +25% French +25% Samaritians @ 2,206721
25 50% Turk_Greece +25% Nusayri_Turkey +25% Turk_Bulgaria @ 2,217404
26 50% Ashkenazi_Jews +25% Slovak +25% Turk_Central_Black_Sea @ 2,22252
27 50% Turk_Greece +25% Italy_Sicily +25% Turk_Northwest @ 2,223943
28 50% Crimean_Tatar_Mountain +25% CEU30 +25% Samaritians @ 2,225946
29 50% Macedonian +25% Nusayri_Turkey +25% Turk_Northwest @ 2,226328
30 50% Ashkenazi_Jews +25% Hungarians +25% Turk_South @ 2,23417
9913055 iterations.

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Druze+Hungarians+Italy_Emilia+Yoruk @ 1,300996
2 Druze+Hungarians+Italy_Tuscany+Yoruk @ 1,334403
3 Italy_Marche+Mixed_NW_Euro+Nogais+Samaritians @ 1,364808
4 Cornwall+Greek+Nogais+Samaritians @ 1,401075
5 British+Greek+Nogais+Samaritians @ 1,403358
6 Druze+Hungarians+Italy_Liguria+Yoruk @ 1,433014
7 Bosnian+Druze+Italy_Trentino+Yoruk @ 1,438279
8 British_Isles+Italy_Abruzzo+Nogais+Samaritians @ 1,444095
9 British_Isles+Italy_Campania+Nogais+Samaritians @ 1,457729
10 Croat+Druze+Italy_FriuliVG+Yoruk @ 1,478935
11 English_Kent+Italy_Abruzzo+Nogais+Samaritians @ 1,481213
12 English+Italy_Abruzzo+Nogais+Samaritians @ 1,487256
13 CEU30+Italy_Abruzzo+Nogais+Samaritians @ 1,491002
14 Druze+HUN_Szekely+Italy_FriuliVG+Turk_Northwest @ 1,493267
15 Cypriots+Greek_Crete+Swedish+Yoruk @ 1,497338
16 Druze+Italy_Tuscany+Slovak+Yoruk @ 1,513263
17 Albanian_Kosovo+French+Nogais+Samaritians @ 1,524415
18 Croat+Druze+Italy_Piedmont+Yoruk @ 1,526996
19 Albanian_Kosovo+French2+Nogais+Samaritians @ 1,530674
20 Bosnian+Druze+Swiss_Italian+Yoruk @ 1,534719
21 Croat+Druze+Italy_Veneto+Yoruk @ 1,539221
22 Greek+Irish+Nogais+Samaritians @ 1,54512
23 Croat+Druze+Italy_Trentino+Yoruk @ 1,571853
24 Druze+Italy_Trentino+Serb+Yoruk @ 1,578216
25 Druze+HUN_Szekely+Italy_FriuliVG+Turk_Southwest @ 1,581107
26 Italy_Lazio+Mixed_NW_Euro+Nogais+Samaritians @ 1,587117
27 Dutch+Italy_Marche+Nogais+Samaritians @ 1,600463
28 Druze+Italy_Emilia+Slovenian+Yoruk @ 1,614759
29 Bosnian+Druze+Italy_Piedmont+Yoruk @ 1,628756
30 Greek+Nogais+Orcadian+Samaritians @ 1,631475
31 Italy_Campania+Nogais+Orkney+Samaritians @ 1,637107
32 Druze+Italy_Romagna+Slovak+Yoruk @ 1,641164
33 Bosnian+Druze+Italy_FriuliVG+Yoruk @ 1,646379
34 Bavarian_German+Druze+R,Moldova_South+Yoruk @ 1,64789
35 British+Italy_Abruzzo+Nogais+Samaritians @ 1,654891
36 English+Italy_Campania+Nogais+Samaritians @ 1,657412
37 CEU30+Italy_Campania+Nogais+Samaritians @ 1,660004
38 Bosnian+Druze+Italy_Veneto+Yoruk @ 1,667241
39 French+Nogais+Samaritians+Turk_Macedonia @ 1,668757
40 Druze+Italy_Tuscany+Slovenian+Yoruk @ 1,669181
41 Croat+Druze+Swiss_Italian+Yoruk @ 1,669292
42 Cornwall+Italy_Abruzzo+Nogais+Samaritians @ 1,669517
43 Argyll+Greek+Nogais+Samaritians @ 1,672695
44 Italy_Campania+Nogais+Orcadian+Samaritians @ 1,673063
45 Irish+Italy_Campania+Nogais+Samaritians @ 1,676164
46 Italy_Romagna+Mixed_NW_Euro+Nogais+Samaritians @ 1,679397
47 Cornwall+Italy_Apulia+Nogais+Samaritians @ 1,68075
48 Bavarian_German+Italy_Emilia+Nogais+Samaritians @ 1,681286
49 Druze+Italy_Emilia+Slovak+Yoruk @ 1,688489
50 Druze+Hungarians+Italy_Lombardy+Yoruk @ 1,690642
51 Druze+Italy_Liguria+Slovenian+Yoruk @ 1,697288
52 Druze+Italy_Veneto+Slovenian+Yoruk @ 1,703137
53 Druze+France_Corsica+PL_GreaterPoland+Yoruk @ 1,707069
54 British+Italy_Apulia+Nogais+Samaritians @ 1,716457
55 Druze+Hungarians+Italy_Romagna+Yoruk @ 1,721104
56 Croat+Druze+Italy_Lombardy+Yoruk @ 1,728256
57 English_Kent+Italy_Marche+Nogais+Samaritians @ 1,72848
58 Druze+Greek+Norwegian+Yoruk @ 1,729246
59 Druze+HUN_Szekely+Italy_FriuliVG+Yoruk @ 1,73198
60 Dutch+Italy_Abruzzo+Nogais+Samaritians @ 1,733582
74303592 iterations.


Yy, Trikala spoke Turkish and Ali Pasha was a Tengrist.

Balkan Turk is a real thing.

[Kaspias]

Yy, Trikala spoke Turkish and Ali Pasha was a Tengrist.

Balkan Turk is a real thing.

Muslim community were speaking Turkish.

[Deniz]

Nice. Even he got East European on Myheritage, but not me xD

Balkan category on Myheritage=%100 Serbian South Slav.Also almost nothing Greek or Turk about this result.Pomak with a little bit more East med touch.

[Faklon]

Muslim community were speaking Turkish.

Source?

Maybe to the Sultan, between themselves they mostly spoke Albanian. Other would have been speaking Greek and Vlach. This is not a merchantile city like Salonika where Turkish can be popularized.

[Kaspias]

Source?

Maybe to the Sultan, between themselves they mostly spoke Albanian. Other would have been speaking Greek and Vlach. This is not a merchantile city like Salonika where Turkish can be popularized.

https://www.devletarsivleri.gov.tr/varliklar/dosyalar/eskisiteden/yayinlar/elektronik-yayinlar/Rumeli_eyaleti.pdf

Around 15.000 Yörüks of Kayi origin and around 50.000 Tatars of Anatolian(expelled, actual origin unknown) origin were settled to Trikala. Yörüks settled around Kozani, Tatars settled around Trikala. Tatars were full of men and married with locals while Yörüks came there with their own families. Locals, who converted to Islam, Turkified rapidly thanks to the Turkic population settled there.

On the other hand, there were no Turkic settlement in Ioannina and Servia.

[Faklon]

https://www.devletarsivleri.gov.tr/varliklar/dosyalar/eskisiteden/yayinlar/elektronik-yayinlar/Rumeli_eyaleti.pdf

Around 15.000 Yörüks of Kayi origin and around 50.000 Tatars of Anatolian(expelled, actual origin unknown) origin were settled to Trikala. Yörüks settled around Kozani, Tatars settled around Trikala. Tatars were full of men and married with locals while Yörüks came there with their own families. Locals, who converted to Islam, Turkified rapidly thanks to the Turkic population settled there.

On the other hand, there were no Turkic settlement in Ioannina and Servia.

You understand that I cannot read Turkish and I don't trust Turkish sources. More than that, we don't know much about Yoruks to begin with nor they were relevant before the Ataturk era.

Νow Tatars settling in Trikala sounds bordeline ancient aliens.

Why all these people left nothing behind besides a minaret or two?

[Kaspias]

.

It is not a regular Turkish source, it is Ottoman tax registers of Rumelia. You can't find it any other language or something more reliable than it. In fact, there is no other source to get such detailed information, expectedly.


More than that, we don't know much about Yoruks to begin with nor they were relevant before the Ataturk era. Νow Tatars settling in Trikala sounds bordeline ancient aliens.


We know everything we need about Yoruks but the term's itself is confusing. Modern Yörüks =/= Medieval Yörüks. The early Yörüks were Beylik era Turks who are still nomads and didn't mix with Anatolians. Modern Yörüks are just Anatolian Turks who prefered to stay as nomadic until recently.

Settlement of Tatars were already known among Balkan Turks. It is not surprising.



Why all these people left nothing behind besides a minaret or two?



Maybe because of they are all destroyed just after Turks leave.

[Bender1999]

You understand that I cannot read Turkish and I don't trust Turkish sources. More than that, we don't know much about Yoruks to begin with nor they were relevant before the Ataturk era.


Ottoman sources are worth gold and more trustworthy than any other sources. And who says they weren’t relevant before Atatürks era?

[Noble Cuman]

It is not a regular Turkish source, it is Ottoman tax registers of Rumelia. You can't find it any other language or something more reliable than it. In fact, there is no other source to get such detailed information, expectedly.


We know everything we need about Yoruks but the term's itself is confusing. Modern Yörüks =/= Medieval Yörüks. The early Yörüks were Beylik era Turks who are still nomads and didn't mix with Anatolians. Modern Yörüks are just Anatolian Turks who prefered to stay as nomadic until recently.

Settlement of Tatars were already known among Balkan Turks. It is not surprising.





Maybe because of they are all destroyed just after Turks leave.
This Patriot? (Muslim Greek) result is similar to these results that you shared. They have little bit elavated east med. They are from city center and Kilkis.
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?278951-Balkan-Turk-Gedmatch-from-Thessaloniki
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?281353-Balkan-Turk-Gedmatch-from-Thessaloniki
For comparing Greek results from Macedonia. I do not know If they are typical. But they get Bulgarian first in their populations. So are they mostly Vlachs, Bulgarians genetically?
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?245627-Greek-Eurogenes-K13-results-from-Macedonia-Thessaly-and-Peloponnese

[Faklon]

The Kebab squad as usual.


Ottoman sources are worth gold and more trustworthy than any other sources. And who says they weren’t relevant before Atatürks era?

Translate then.


The ordinary Turks [Turkmen, or Yörüks] did not have a sense of belonging to a ruling ethnic group. In particular, they had a confused sense of self-image. Who were they: Turks, Muslims or Ottomans? Their literature was sometimes Persian, sometimes Arabic, but always courtly and elitist. There was always a huge social and cultural distance between the Imperial centre and the Anatolian periphery. As Bernard Lewis expressed it: "In the Imperial society of the Ottomans the ethnic term Turk was little used, and then chiefly in a rather derogatory sense, to designate the Turcoman nomads or, later, the ignorant and uncouth Turkish-speaking peasants of the Anatolian villages." (Lewis 1968: 1) In the words of a British observer of the Ottoman values and institutions at the start of the twentieth century: "The surest way to insult an Ottoman gentleman is to call him a 'Turk'. His face will straightway wear the expression a Londoner's assumes, when he hears himself frankly styled a Cockney. He is no Turk, no savage, he will assure you, but an Ottoman subject of the Sultan, by no means to be confounded with certain barbarians styled Turcomans, and from whom indeed, on the male side, he may possibly be descended." (Davey 1907: 209)


Ottoman Turk=Muslim no matter how many biased Durkish revisionists try hard

Tatars in Trikala and ancient aliens in a thread for a guy who shows less East-Asian ancestry than many South Slavs

[Leto]

Why is it even being debated whether that individual is assimilated? He may be a Pomak/South Slav but he is not Turkish, that's for sure. Linguistically maybe and religiously/politically Muslim but ethnically no.

[Kaspias]

This Patriot? (Muslim Greek) result is similar to these results that you shared. They have little bit elavated east med. They are from city center and Kilkis.
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?278951-Balkan-Turk-Gedmatch-from-Thessaloniki
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?281353-Balkan-Turk-Gedmatch-from-Thessaloniki
For comparing Greek results from Macedonia. I do not know If they are typical. But they get Bulgarian first in their populations. So are they mostly Vlachs, Bulgarians genetically?
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?245627-Greek-Eurogenes-K13-results-from-Macedonia-Thessaly-and-Peloponnese

This is not a Patriyot.

The results are similar because both have same native stock, but the ones I posted have East Eurasian too, while OP's don't have. In this sense, he is most probably Pomak. Another option is Turkic admixture is not inherited.

Even though we presume this result is not Pomak, and did not receive Turkic admixture since the beginning, he is still in Slavic speaker range. Patriyots are Greeks.

The primary native stock mixed with Turks are Slavic speakers, followed by Aromanians and Greeks if that's what you are asking.

[Bender1999]

You don’t need to teach me about Turkish history and Ottoman society. Ottomans indeed know and documented which group belonged to which tribe. The „nonsense“ which you spread here is nothing but imbecility.

[Faklon]

You don’t need to teach me about Turkish history and Ottoman society. Ottomans indeed know and documented which group belonged to which tribe. The „nonsense“ which you spread here is nothing but imbecility.

Instantly defensive.

Translate bitch and provide a single medieval source mentioning Yoruks.

[Noble Cuman]

Yes, this person can be Pomak. But Greeks from Macedonia that I gave the link get 1-3 East Eurasian like Turks. So Greeks and Turks in region seem to be similar genetically.

[Bender1999]

Instantly defensive.

Translate bitch and provide a single medieval source mentioning Yoruks.

There are thousand of Ottoman sources about konar göcer(nomads) in Ottoman area, either mentioned as Yörükan, Türkmen,Kurd and even Arabs you brainless putz.

[Pulkher]

Distance to: Turk from Greek Macedonia

3.97282016 paradox(greek+aromanian)
4.14832496 Pomak_Drama
4.78494514 Macedonian_Greece
4.92183466 Bulgarian_Thrace
5.07874000 Gagauz
5.55055853 Greek_Northern-Thrace
5.89427689 Pan(greek)
5.95043696 Vojnik_dad(north_macedonian)
6.01511430 Turk_Thessaloniki
6.10918980 Pomak_Komotini
6.15806788 Pomak_Nevrokopi
6.16099830 Turk_Drama
6.62736750 Turk_Dobrich
6.78564662 Turk_Xanthi
6.81784423 Dijana_Friend_of_valentins(north_macedonia)
6.89501994 Vale(Macedonian)
7.07103953 Coolguy1(greek)
7.16159200 Freeroostah(greek)
7.40346540 Sofia(bulgarian)

[Pulkher]

delete

[Kaspias]

The Kebab squad as usual.



Translate then.



Ottoman Turk=Muslim no matter how many biased Durkish revisionists try hard

Tatars in Trikala and ancient aliens in a thread for a guy who shows less East-Asian ancestry than many South Slavs

Turk might mean both Muslim and actual Turk. Muslims usually have another answer except for Turk when they were questioned like "who are you?" while ethnic Turks have no answer but "Turk." There is actually a clear distinguishing method between them.

I don't know what the Durkish is.


Yes, this person can be Pomak. But Greeks from Macedonia that I gave the link get 1-3 East Eurasian like Turks. So Greeks and Turks in region seem to be similar genetically.


No. Even 1% EE among Greeks is unusual. It is usual among Slavs, yet this time Turks can be seperated with their SCA/Gedrosia amount.

It depends on what we understand than the term "similar."



Anyway, to turn back to topic, I would say this person is neither Turkish nor Patriyot. He is probably Pomak.

[Noble Cuman]

Turk might mean both Muslim and actual Turk. Muslims usually have another answer except for Turk when they were questioned like "who are you?" while ethnic Turks have no answer but "Turk." There is actually a clear distinguishing method between them.

I don't know what the Durkish is.




No. Even 1% EE among Greeks is unusual. It is usual among Slavs, yet this time Turks can be seperated with their SCA/Gedrosia amount.

It depends on what we understand than the term "similar."



Anyway, to turn back to topic, I would say this person is neither Turkish nor Patriyot. He is probably Pomak.

Greek from Macedonia according to that thread. Atypical But there is even a Greek that gets Serbian as first population that you shared. His closest population is Bulgarian. Plus close to average. We can say that more north and Balkan influence is present in the region. He gets 2-3 east Eurasian.

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 22.31
2 North_Atlantic 20.91
3 East_Med 20.39
4 West_Med 20.07
5 West_Asian 12.02
6 South_Asian 1.03
7 Siberian 0.97
8 East_Asian 0.97
9 Oceanian 0.74
10 Red_Sea 0.58
Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Bulgarian 3.21
2 Romanian 5.32
3 Greek_Thessaly 7.8
4 Serbian 9.43