Bulgarian GEDmatch Results

[Ion Basescul]

After similar threads for Romania and Moldova (Moldavia (https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?327651-Moldovan-Romanian-GEDmatch-Results-v2), Wallachia (https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?332304-Wallachian-Romanian-GEDmatch-Results-v2) and Transylvania (https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?319438-Transylvanian-Romanian-GEDmatch-Results)), I decided that it's time to show Bulgaria some love as well.

For the purpose of this thread, Bulgaria will be divided regionally along the lines of the NUTS statistical regions (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NUTS_statistical_regions_of_Bulgaria):

https://i.imgur.com/uGs9VeH.png


Eurogenes K13 results:

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<tbody>
Name
Location/Ethnicity
Number of Samples
N_Atlantic
Baltic
West_Med
West_Asian
East_Med
Red_Sea
South_Asian
East_Asian
Siberian
Amerindian
Oceanian
NE_African
Sub-Saharan


Bulgaria_Northeastern
NE
9
22.15
22.37
17.46
13.43
19.44
2.56
0.46
0.32
0.49
0.24
0.29
0.11
0.10


Bulgaria_Northcentral
NC
15
21.30
24.45
17.41
11.88
19.86
2.33
0.65
0.28
0.99
0.37
0.28
0.07
0.14


Bulgaria_Northwestern
NW
27
22.04
26.19
17.58
10.15
19.05
2.31
0.40
0.52
0.70
0.51
0.38
0.07
0.09


Bulgaria_Southeastern
SE
12
20.13
21.81
18.44
13.87
20.44
2.92
0.43
0.30
0.48
0.44
0.47
0.11
0.07


Bulgaria_Southcentral
SC
29
21.22
23.73
18.05
11.66
20.32
2.41
0.57
0.37
0.85
0.21
0.29
0.24
0.04


Bulgaria_Southwestern
SW
33
22.85
24.04
17.87
11.48
18.68
2.26
0.58
0.51
0.85
0.44
0.33
0.06
0.06


Bulgaria_average
Bulgarian
125
21.80
24.15
17.82
11.65
19.51
2.40
0.53
0.42
0.77
0.38
0.33
0.11
0.08

</tbody>
</google-sheets-html-origin>


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<tbody>
Name
Location/Ethnicity
Number of Samples
NE+NW Euro
Med Euro
Caucasus
SW Asia
Siberia
India


Bulgaria_Northeastern
NE
9
44.52
36.90
13.43
2.67
1.06
0.46


Bulgaria_Northcentral
NC
15
45.75
37.27
11.88
2.40
1.63
0.65


Bulgaria_Northwestern
NW
27
48.24
36.63
10.15
2.38
1.73
0.40


Bulgaria_Southeastern
SE
12
41.95
38.88
13.87
3.03
1.21
0.43


Bulgaria_Southcentral
SC
29
44.95
38.37
11.66
2.65
1.42
0.57


Bulgaria_Southwestern
SW
33
46.88
36.55
11.48
2.32
1.80
0.58


Bulgaria_average
Bulgarian
125
45.95
37.33
11.65
2.51
1.57
0.53

</tbody>
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[Ion Basescul]

This is just the beginning and I will continue to update these averages.

Later today or tomorrow I will also post the averages by provinces. Please don't copy and give them to Lucas, because I don't want to have 1001 averages on K13 again. We will just use the regional ones, as I am doing for Romania and R. Moldova.

By the way, we were talking the other day about the genetic composition of Northern Bulgarians versus Southern Romanians. The two of them are similar, but what's interesting is that in both countries the Western parts are more Northern-shifted than the Central and Eastern.
Any guesses on what's the cause for that?



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<tbody>
Name
Geography
Number of Samples
N_Atlantic
Baltic
West_Med
West_Asian
East_Med
Red_Sea
South_Asian
East_Asian
Siberian
Amerindian
Oceanian
NE_African
Sub-Saharan


Bulgaria_Northeastern
Northeastern
9
22.15
22.37
17.46
13.43
19.44
2.56
0.46
0.32
0.49
0.24
0.29
0.11
0.10


Bulgaria_Northcentral
Northcentral
15
21.30
24.45
17.41
11.88
19.86
2.33
0.65
0.28
0.99
0.37
0.28
0.07
0.14


Bulgaria_Northwestern
Northwestern
27
22.04
26.19
17.58
10.15
19.05
2.31
0.40
0.52
0.70
0.51
0.38
0.07
0.09


Romania_Dobruja
Southeastern
21
22.29
24.36
17.86
10.90
19.00
2.26
0.63
0.88
1.17
0.28
0.25
0.06
0.07


Romania_Muntenia
Southcentral
137
21.89
24.46
17.54
11.50
18.85
2.24
0.73
0.57
1.04
0.57
0.36
0.15
0.09


Romania_Oltenia
Southwestern
58
23.55
25.06
17.95
10.70
17.79
1.82
0.68
0.80
0.68
0.40
0.37
0.10
0.10

</tbody>
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Also interesting to notice how Southern Romanians have more Siberian/East Asian admixture than Bulgarians, who according to the history of the country was founded by Turkic Bulgars.

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<tbody>
Name
Geography
Number of Samples
NE+NW Euro
Med Euro
Caucasus
SW Asia
Siberia
India


Bulgaria_Northeastern
Northeastern
9
44.52
36.90
13.43
2.67
1.06
0.46


Bulgaria_Northcentral
Northcentral
15
45.75
37.27
11.88
2.40
1.63
0.65


Bulgaria_Northwestern
Northwestern
27
48.24
36.63
10.15
2.38
1.73
0.40


Romania_Dobruja
Southeastern
21
46.65
36.86
10.90
2.31
2.33
0.63


Romania_Muntenia
Southcentral
137
46.35
36.39
11.50
2.39
2.18
0.73


Romania_Oltenia
Southwestern
58
48.61
35.74
10.70
1.92
1.88
0.68

</tbody>
</google-sheets-html-origin>

[Ion Basescul]

By the way, if Bulgarian users want me to run them against all samples, then post your coordinates here.

[Ion Basescul]

Single population distances for the Northern half of the country


<tbody>
Distance to:
Bulgaria_Northeastern


2.72185598
Pomak_Nevrokopi


3.00888684
Moldova_South_Gagauzia


3.02834939
Romania_Muntenia


3.67209749
Romania_Wallachia


3.77876964
Romania_Dobruja


3.87223450
Macedonian_Northwest


3.97823846
North_Macedonian


4.02058453
Macedonian_average


4.17097111
Macedonian_Southeast


4.31736030
Moldova_South


4.52887403
Romania_Oltenia


4.71651354
Vlach_North-Macedonia-Highlander


4.72637282
Vlach_North-Macedonia


4.79548746
Bosniak_Sandzak


4.81298244
Romania_Banat


5.00622612
Macedonian_Central


5.22492105
Turk_Razgrad


5.26784586
Turk_Kavala


5.36676811
Romania_average


5.40656083
Pomak_Drama


5.61258408
Montenegrin


5.86585885
Pomak_Central-Macedonia


5.87751648
Romania_Transylvania


5.92919050
Turk_Dobrich


6.01808109
Macedonian_East

</tbody>


<tbody>
Distance to:
Bulgaria_Northcentral


1.29846063
Romania_Muntenia


1.64529633
Romania_Dobruja


2.34738152
Romania_Wallachia


2.35087218
Pomak_Nevrokopi


2.38941415
Moldova_South


2.98229777
Romania_Banat


3.24294619
Macedonian_Northwest


3.28823661
Moldova_South_Gagauzia


3.47033140
Romania_Oltenia


3.56953779
Macedonian_average


3.87761525
Romania_average


4.06910310
Bosniak_Sandzak


4.46643034
Macedonian_Central


4.48833279
North_Macedonian


4.67138095
Montenegrin


4.72605544
Turk_N-Macedonia


4.74340595
Romania_Transylvania


4.82716273
Macedonian_North


5.10965752
Vlach_North-Macedonia-Highlander


5.15645227
Romania_Moldavia_South


5.19317822
Turk_Razgrad


5.31012241
Macedonian_East


5.35162592
Serb_Serbia_South&East


5.40856728
Pomak_Drama


5.75240819
Turk_Dobrich

</tbody>


<tbody>
Distance to:
Bulgaria_Northwestern


1.53202480
Romania_Banat


1.56137760
Moldova_South


1.74527935
Romania_Dobruja


2.05046336
Romania_Wallachia


2.22995516
Romania_average


2.26313941
Romania_Muntenia


2.44953057
Romania_Oltenia


2.94093523
Serb_Serbia_South&East


3.14593388
Romania_Transylvania


3.17811265
Montenegrin


3.20137470
Bosniak_Sandzak


3.28021341
Romania_Moldavia_South


3.39660124
Macedonian_Northwest


3.88459779
Serb_B&H_Herzegovina


4.45075275
Pomak_Plovdiv


4.65319245
Pomak_Nevrokopi


4.76961214
Romania_Crisana


4.98890770
Macedonian_average


5.23141472
Macedonian_North


5.28936669
Turk_N-Macedonia


5.40677353
Serb_Serbia


5.48124359
North_Macedonian


5.48490656
Macedonian_East


5.63207777
Serb


5.83582899
Moldova_South_Gagauzia

</tbody>

[Ion Basescul]

Single population distances for the Southern half of the country


<tbody>
Distance to:
Bulgaria_Southeastern


1.57076415
Moldova_South_Gagauzia


2.26185764
Pomak_Nevrokopi


3.50165675
Macedonian_average


3.50458271
Macedonian_Southeast


3.80462876
Macedonian_Central


4.06041870
Pomak_Drama


4.15701816
Vlach_North-Macedonia-Highlander


4.47716428
Romania_Muntenia


4.48792825
Vlach_North-Macedonia


4.93378151
Romania_Dobruja


4.96425032
North_Macedonian


5.27089177
Turk_Kavala


5.35913239
Macedonian_Northwest


5.40695848
Romania_Wallachia


5.41550552
Macedonian_North


5.44796292
Greek_Northern-Thrace


5.49625327
Turk_Dobrich


5.51904883
Moldova_South


5.68210348
Turk_Drama


5.74552870
Macedonian_Greece


5.86091290
Torbeshi_North-Macedonia-Central


5.89114590
Pomak_Komotini


6.16968395
Albanian_Montenegro


6.21400032
Albanian_Kosovo


6.30459356
Turk_Razgrad


</tbody>


<tbody>
Distance to:
Bulgaria_Southcentral


1.91522845
Romania_Dobruja


1.92460386
Romania_Muntenia


2.08309865
Pomak_Nevrokopi


2.53221247
Macedonian_average


2.84177761
Romania_Wallachia


2.89748167
Moldova_South_Gagauzia


2.96158741
Moldova_South


3.06264591
Macedonian_Northwest


3.59897208
Romania_Banat


3.74938412
North_Macedonian


3.88140439
Macedonian_Central


3.89516367
Romania_Oltenia


4.02554344
Macedonian_North


4.15563473
Bosniak_Sandzak


4.26357831
Vlach_North-Macedonia-Highlander


4.55282330
Romania_average


4.58895413
Macedonian_East


5.10224460
Montenegrin


5.28333228
Vlach_North-Macedonia


5.32858330
Romania_Transylvania


5.42725529
Pomak_Drama


5.48297365
Greek_Northern-Thrace


5.60561326
Turk_N-Macedonia


5.63213991
Turk_Razgrad


5.82055839
Romania_Moldavia_South


</tbody>


<tbody>
Distance to:
Bulgaria_Southwestern


0.96591925
Romania_Wallachia


1.15134704
Romania_Muntenia


1.69841102
Romania_Dobruja


1.77254055
Macedonian_Northwest


1.80621150
Romania_Oltenia


2.04594721
Moldova_South


2.17924299
Romania_Banat


2.29769450
Bosniak_Sandzak


2.71707563
Romania_average


3.00828855
Montenegrin


3.24149657
Romania_Transylvania


3.74074608
North_Macedonian


3.79154322
Pomak_Nevrokopi


3.87414507
Romania_Moldavia_South


4.02313311
Macedonian_average


4.57714977
Moldova_South_Gagauzia


4.61580979
Serb_Serbia_South&East


4.93224087
Macedonian_East


5.26636497
Macedonian_Central


5.28119305
Romania_Crisana


5.32059207
Macedonian_North


5.57198349
Vlach_North-Macedonia-Highlander


5.67810708
Serb_B&H_Herzegovina


5.67918128
Vlach_North-Macedonia


5.68599156
Turk_Razgrad


</tbody>


Bulgarian average

<tbody>
Distance to:
Bulgaria_average


0.91673333
Romania_Muntenia


1.29884564
Romania_Dobruja


1.78980446
Romania_Wallachia


2.08703138
Moldova_South


2.51652538
Macedonian_Northwest


2.62815525
Pomak_Nevrokopi


2.65836416
Romania_Banat


2.87843708
Romania_Oltenia


3.27621733
Macedonian_average


3.33034533
Bosniak_Sandzak


3.52211584
Romania_average


3.57344372
Moldova_South_Gagauzia


3.88590803
North_Macedonian


4.09677922
Montenegrin


4.28794823
Romania_Transylvania


4.44648176
Macedonian_Central


4.59084959
Macedonian_North


4.78589595
Romania_Moldavia_South


4.87107791
Macedonian_East


4.91505849
Vlach_North-Macedonia-Highlander


5.15071840
Serb_Serbia_South&East


5.34466089
Turk_N-Macedonia


5.50028181
Turk_Razgrad


5.58514995
Vlach_North-Macedonia


6.03728416
Pomak_Drama


</tbody>

[JohnnyP]

This is just the beginning and I will continue to update these averages.

Later today or tomorrow I will also post the averages by provinces. Please don't copy and give them to Lucas, because I don't want to have 1001 averages on K13 again. We will just use the regional ones, as I am doing for Romania and R. Moldova.

By the way, we were talking the other day about the genetic composition of Northern Bulgarians versus Southern Romanians. The two of them are similar, but what's interesting is that in both countries the Western parts are more Northern-shifted than the Central and Eastern.
Any guesses on what's the cause for that?



<google-sheets-html-origin style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: medium;">
<tbody>
Name
Geography
Number of Samples
N_Atlantic
Baltic
West_Med
West_Asian
East_Med
Red_Sea
South_Asian
East_Asian
Siberian
Amerindian
Oceanian
NE_African
Sub-Saharan


Bulgaria_Northeastern
Northeastern
9
22.15
22.37
17.46
13.43
19.44
2.56
0.46
0.32
0.49
0.24
0.29
0.11
0.10


Bulgaria_Northcentral
Northcentral
15
21.30
24.45
17.41
11.88
19.86
2.33
0.65
0.28
0.99
0.37
0.28
0.07
0.14


Bulgaria_Northwestern
Northwestern
27
22.04
26.19
17.58
10.15
19.05
2.31
0.40
0.52
0.70
0.51
0.38
0.07
0.09


Romania_Dobruja
Southeastern
21
22.29
24.36
17.86
10.90
19.00
2.26
0.63
0.88
1.17
0.28
0.25
0.06
0.07


Romania_Muntenia
Southcentral
137
21.89
24.46
17.54
11.50
18.85
2.24
0.73
0.57
1.04
0.57
0.36
0.15
0.09


Romania_Oltenia
Southwestern
58
23.55
25.06
17.95
10.70
17.79
1.82
0.68
0.80
0.68
0.40
0.37
0.10
0.10

</tbody>
</google-sheets-html-origin>
Also interesting to notice how Southern Romanians have more Siberian/East Asian admixture than Bulgarians, who according to the history of the country was founded by Turkic Bulgars.

<google-sheets-html-origin style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: medium;">
<tbody>
Name
Geography
Number of Samples
NE+NW Euro
Med Euro
Caucasus
SW Asia
Siberia
India


Bulgaria_Northeastern
Northeastern
9
44.52
36.90
13.43
2.67
1.06
0.46


Bulgaria_Northcentral
Northcentral
15
45.75
37.27
11.88
2.40
1.63
0.65


Bulgaria_Northwestern
Northwestern
27
48.24
36.63
10.15
2.38
1.73
0.40


Romania_Dobruja
Southeastern
21
46.65
36.86
10.90
2.31
2.33
0.63


Romania_Muntenia
Southcentral
137
46.35
36.39
11.50
2.39
2.18
0.73


Romania_Oltenia
Southwestern
58
48.61
35.74
10.70
1.92
1.88
0.68

</tbody>
</google-sheets-html-origin>

In fact Bulgarians are not Bulgars, maybe some parts of Bulgaria have more East_Asian/Siberian admixture but in general they are not,uses only name,they r native+slavic.
Btw thanks for idea i will try to make charts like this for Macedonians with regions.

[Varda]

In fact Bulgarians are not Bulgars, maybe some parts of Bulgaria have more East_Asian/Siberian admixture but in general they are not,uses only name,they r native+slavic.
Btw thanks for idea i will try to make charts like this for Macedonians with regions.

Of course they are not Turkic. They are just Serbs who use Turkic name, like you are Serbs with ancient Macedonian name/umbrella. :cool:

[Thracian]

I feel bored and to bump thread I played with my coordinates bit. Thracian (FTDNA) and Thracian_I (23andMe)

First I modeled only Anatolian Turks and Bulgarians.

Target: Thracian_I
Distance: 406.6056% / 4.06605644 | ADC: 0.25x
72.6 Bulgaria_Northeastern
21.2 Turk_Central_West
6.2 Turk_South

Target: Thracian
Distance: 393.0247% / 3.93024682 | ADC: 0.25x
71.2 Bulgaria_Northeastern
28.8 Turk_South

Later I added Turkmens and removed Anatolian Turks. The fit went up,

Target: Thracian_I
Distance: 559.1151% / 5.59115150 | ADC: 0.25x
72.4 Bulgaria_Southeastern
16.8 Turkmen_Uzbekistan
10.8 Bulgaria_Northeastern

Target: Thracian
Distance: 468.1350% / 4.68135017 | ADC: 0.25x
80.6 Bulgaria_Southeastern
19.4 Turkmen_Uzbekistan


I later added Anatolian Turks, Turkmens, Iranians, Kurds and Greeks.

Target: Thracian_I
Distance: 256.8092% / 2.56809217 | ADC: 0.25x
45.6 Greek_Central-Macedonia
29.8 Bulgaria_Northeastern
9.6 Turkmen_Uzbekistan
9.0 Iran_Centraleast
6.0 Greek_Istanbul

Target: Thracian
Distance: 251.7276% / 2.51727648 | ADC: 0.25x
48.0 Bulgaria_Southeastern
23.4 Greek_Central-Macedonia
10.2 Turkmen_Uzbekistan
8.0 Greek_Eastern-Macedonia
8.0 Iran_Bandari
2.4 Iran_Centraleast

I added Macedonians, (I think both Torbeshi and Vlach samples are wrongly named but added them either) Vlachs, Torbeshi and Pomaks

Target: Thracian
Distance: 255.2393% / 2.55239282 | ADC: 0.25x
53.0 Macedonian_Southeast
16.2 Greek_Eastern-Macedonia
11.2 Pomak_Drama
8.6 Turkmen_Uzbekistan
8.2 Iran_Bandari
2.8 Pomak_Kavala

Target: Thracian_I
Distance: 210.0302% / 2.10030217 | ADC: 0.25x
36.4 Greek_Central-Macedonia
25.2 Pomak_Central-Macedonia
12.4 Pomak_Drama
10.0 Greek_Istanbul
9.6 Turkmen_Uzbekistan
3.8 Iran_Centraleast
2.6 Iran_Bandari

I finally added Balkan Turks but not all of them only places where my ancestors are from (except Stara Zagora, my fathers maternal side actually from V. Tarnovo I selected Stara Zagora since no Veliko Tarnovo sample)

Target: Thracian
Distance: 188.2051% / 1.88205064 | ADC: 0.25x
39.6 Turk_Stara-Zagora
27.6 Turk_Kardzhali-West
22.2 Greek_Eastern-Macedonia
7.4 Iran_Centraleast
2.6 Iran_Bandari
0.6 Greek_Macedonia_Thrace

Target: Thracian_I
Distance: 180.2153% / 1.80215258 | ADC: 0.25x
67.0 Turk_Stara-Zagora
17.4 Greek_Peloponnese
8.2 Iran_Centraleast
4.6 Pomak_Central-Macedonia
2.8 Pomak_Drama

[bained]

Amazing job. You are doing more for Bulgarian genetics than all bulgarians combined. The sea side was heavily colonized by Greeks and Romans. Most of them spoke Greek until around 1920 and some are still called greeks for shits and giggles. Also keep in mind the Varna neolithic samples, there was a big culture out there.

"who according to the history of the country was founded by Turkic Bulgars." - That was pretty cringe, idk how people assume they were turkic with 0 proofs.

If you wanna run me or use me in the averages, I'm from the dead center of the country, just 30km north of Plovdiv: BaiNed,25.63,21.24,18.04,8.86,22.32,2.31,0,0,0.27, 0.97,0.32,0,0

[Ion Basescul]

If you wanna run me or use me in the averages, I'm from the dead center of the country, just 30km north of Plovdiv: BaiNed,25.63,21.24,18.04,8.86,22.32,2.31,0,0,0.27, 0.97,0.32,0,0

Sure, here you go:

Regional level


<tbody>
Distance to:
BaiNed


6.07740899
Bulgaria_Southwestern


6.23972756
Bulgaria_Southcentral


6.32041929
Bulgaria_average


6.62448489
Bulgaria_Northeastern


6.78437175
Bulgaria_Northcentral


7.12760128
Bulgaria_Northwestern


7.77051478
Bulgaria_Southeastern

</tbody>


Provincial level


<tbody>
Distance to:
BaiNed


4.89908155
Bulgaria_Northwestern_Pleven


4.92247905
Bulgaria_Northcentral_Silistra


5.21645473
Bulgaria_Northeastern_Varna


5.24712302
Bulgaria_Southwestern_Sofia_city


5.29590408
Bulgaria_Southcentral_Plovdiv


5.90121174
Bulgaria_Northcentral_Gabrovo


6.82890914
Bulgaria_Southeastern_StaraZagora


6.85197782
Bulgaria_Southcentral_Smolyan


7.14189751
Bulgaria_Northeastern_Dobrich


7.35434565
Bulgaria_Southwestern_Sofia


7.50564454
Bulgaria_Southwestern_Blagoevgrad


7.61789341
Bulgaria_Northwestern_Montana


7.69476445
Bulgaria_Northcentral_VelikoTarnovo


8.03757426
Bulgaria_Northwestern_Vratsa


8.61424982
Bulgaria_Northwestern_Vidin


8.81989796
Bulgaria_Southeastern_unspecified


8.83989819
Bulgaria_Northwestern_Lovech


9.32760419
Bulgaria_Southcentral_Haskov


9.43139968
Bulgaria_Southeastern_Sliven


9.69664891
Bulgaria_Northwestern_unspecified


10.24840475
Bulgaria_Southeastern_Burgas


10.93937384
Bulgaria_Southcentral_Pazardzhik


11.36368778
Bulgaria_Southwestern_Kyustendil


12.15953946
Bulgaria_Northcentral_Ruse


</tbody>


Individual level


<tbody>
Distance to:
BaiNed


3.15207868
Bulgaria_Northcentral_13_Silistra


3.29145864
Bulgaria_Northwestern_24_Pleven


3.48899699
Bulgaria_Southwestern_25_Sofia_city


3.62822271
Bulgaria_Southcentral_21_Plovdiv


3.63159744
Bulgaria_Northcentral_8_VelikoTarnovo


3.93589888
Bulgaria_Southcentral_9_Plovdiv


4.18884232
Bulgaria_Southwestern_26_Sofia_city


4.26321475
Bulgaria_Northcentral_10_Silistra


4.84852555
Bulgaria_Southwestern_29_Sofia_city


4.90896119
Bulgaria_Southcentral_14_Plovdiv


5.21401956
Bulgaria_Southcentral_12_Plovdiv


5.27046488
Bulgaria_Northcentral_11_Silistra


5.38969387
Bulgaria_Southcentral_18_Plovdiv


5.40252719
Bulgaria_Northcentral_3_Gabrovo


5.45101825
Bulgaria_Northwestern_22_Pleven


5.47958940
Bulgaria_Northeastern_8_Varna


5.56393745
Bulgaria_Southeastern_3_StaraZagora


5.57055653
Bulgaria_Southcentral_15_Plovdiv


5.57696154
Bulgaria_Southeastern_11_unspecified


5.80137915
Bulgaria_Northwestern_7_Montana


5.84196885
Bulgaria_Southwestern_19_Sofia_city


6.06028052
Bulgaria_Northwestern_13_Vratsa


6.17937699
Bulgaria_Northeastern_9_Varna


6.17937699
Bulgaria_Northcentral_4_VelikoTarnovo


6.19876601
Bulgaria_Northwestern_27_Lovech


6.29715015
Bulgaria_Southwestern_1_Blagoevgrad


6.30548967
Bulgaria_Southwestern_23_Sofia_city


6.41479540
Bulgaria_Southwestern_10_Sofia


6.45536211
Bulgaria_Southcentral_7_Plovdiv


6.54835094
Bulgaria_Southeastern_5_Sliven


6.57159037
Bulgaria_Southcentral_16_Plovdiv


6.66862804
Bulgaria_Southwestern_17_Sofia_city


6.68528982
Bulgaria_Southwestern_15_Sofia


6.72365228
Bulgaria_Southwestern_14_Sofia


6.73008915
Bulgaria_Northwestern_23_Pleven


6.82836730
Bulgaria_Southeastern_1_StaraZagora


6.85197782
Bulgaria_Southcentral_29_Smolyan


6.93015151
Bulgaria_Northcentral_1_Gabrovo


7.06250664
Bulgaria_Southwestern_5_Sofia


7.06283229
Bulgaria_Southcentral_17_Plovdiv


7.11807558
Bulgaria_Northeastern_7_Dobrich


7.19815254
Bulgaria_Southwestern_16_Sofia


7.25421946
Bulgaria_Southcentral_19_Plovdiv


7.27514261
Bulgaria_Southcentral_22_Plovdiv


7.36372189
Bulgaria_Southwestern_31_Sofia_city


7.42187308
Bulgaria_Northcentral_2_Gabrovo


7.51654176
Bulgaria_Northwestern_1_unspecified


7.59608452
Bulgaria_Northwestern_8_Montana


7.70057790
Bulgaria_Northwestern_20_Pleven


7.70969520
Bulgaria_Northeastern_6_Dobrich


</tbody>


You are not modelled well with averages, but with individuals, it comes close to your ancestral place of origin, right?


<tbody>
Target: BaiNed
Distance: 1.3295% / 1.32952128




37.0
Bulgaria_Southcentral_21_Plovdiv


23.4
Bulgaria_Southcentral_19_Plovdiv


21.4
Bulgaria_Southwestern_25_Sofia_city


17.8
Bulgaria_Southcentral_12_Plovdiv


0.4
Bulgaria_Northwestern_23_Pleven

</tbody>


With Sofia city samples removed, since being the capital their ancestors would have come from all over the country


<tbody>
Target: BaiNed
Distance: 1.4445% / 1.44452779




41.6
Bulgaria_Southcentral_21_Plovdiv


30.8
Bulgaria_Southcentral_19_Plovdiv


12.6
Bulgaria_Southcentral_12_Plovdiv


9.0
Bulgaria_Northwestern_23_Pleven


6.0
Bulgaria_Southcentral_7_Plovdiv


</tbody>

:thumb001:

[bained]

Maritza,20.45,23.47,21.57,10.51,19.54,0.61,0,0,2.1 4,0.75,0.88,0.06,0
Hemus,23.19,22.39,17.70,8.96,20.02,3.71,0.87,0,1.5 4,1.62,0,0,0
Gaida,21.90,22.46,18.39,13.49,19.27,2.48,0,0.29,0. 73,0.62,0.37,0,0
Struma,26.41,22.34,18.27,11.04,17.22,1.60,1.04,0,0 ,1.50,0.57,0,0
Iskar,21.73,21.46,17.37,14.88,16.78,3.54,1.61,1.12 ,0,0.47,0.88,0.16,0

All these are south central region. Idk if you used them. Only Iskar is Kardzhali, rest is Plovdiv.

[Ion Basescul]

This is just the beginning and I will continue to update these averages.

Later today or tomorrow I will also post the averages by provinces. Please don't copy and give them to Lucas, because I don't want to have 1001 averages on K13 again. We will just use the regional ones, as I am doing for Romania and R. Moldova.




As promised, here are the provincial averages. Some provinces have very few samples and will obviously grow with time. If you find something, post them in this thread to get them added.

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Name
Number of Samples
N_Atlantic
Baltic
West_Med
West_Asian
East_Med
Red_Sea
South_Asian
East_Asian
Siberian
Amerindian
Oceanian
NE_African
Sub-Saharan


Bulgaria_Northeastern_Dobrich
7
21.64
22.34
17.33
13.72
19.41
2.89
0.59
0.32
0.39
0.30
0.21
0.15
0.00


Bulgaria_Northeastern_Varna
2
23.94
22.48
17.90
12.43
19.54
1.41
0.02
0.33
0.84
0.08
0.58
0.00
0.47


Bulgaria_Northcentral_Gabrovo
3
22.69
23.70
17.48
11.92
19.25
2.11
0.55
0.14
1.07
0.90
0.18
0.00
0.02


Bulgaria_Northcentral_VelikoTarnovo
6
21.17
24.30
18.07
12.72
18.61
2.69
0.13
0.42
0.93
0.29
0.39
0.07
0.21


Bulgaria_Northcentral_Silistra
4
21.95
23.44
16.96
9.74
23.16
2.04
1.46
0.26
0.70
0.12
0.17
0.00
0.00


Bulgaria_Northcentral_Ruse
2
18.29
28.04
16.23
13.57
17.94
2.18
0.79
0.09
1.61
0.30
0.35
0.29
0.34


Bulgaria_Northwestern_unspecified
2
20.10
28.50
16.59
10.01
19.99
2.50
0.00
0.74
0.49
0.09
1.01
0.00
0.00


Bulgaria_Northwestern_Vidin
3
20.98
27.66
16.57
9.81
19.64
2.17
0.99
0.15
0.29
0.98
0.29
0.21
0.23


Bulgaria_Northwestern_Montana
5
20.63
26.62
17.86
9.17
20.60
2.89
0.00
0.51
0.59
0.47
0.51
0.04
0.12


Bulgaria_Northwestern_Vratsa
8
23.20
27.20
17.89
9.54
17.70
2.21
0.31
0.62
0.69
0.16
0.30
0.03
0.15


Bulgaria_Northwestern_Pleven
6
23.03
23.43
18.47
10.10
19.26
2.46
0.66
0.64
0.93
0.78
0.19
0.05
0.00


Bulgaria_Northwestern_Lovech
3
21.72
25.32
16.18
13.92
18.43
1.30
0.49
0.24
1.05
0.75
0.45
0.15
0.00


Bulgaria_Southeastern_StaraZagora
4
22.33
22.56
18.63
13.27
18.68
2.55
0.00
0.57
0.42
0.29
0.60
0.00
0.10


Bulgaria_Southeastern_Sliven
2
18.00
20.13
19.24
13.63
21.97
4.37
0.26
0.00
1.08
0.67
0.68
0.00
0.00


Bulgaria_Southeastern_unspecified
5
18.47
21.94
18.79
13.70
21.49
2.94
0.85
0.20
0.28
0.54
0.38
0.06
0.08


Bulgaria_Southeastern_Burgas
1
23.92
21.59
14.33
17.54
19.18
1.39
0.35
0.27
0.49
0.00
0.00
0.94
0.00


Bulgaria_Southcentral_Plovdiv
26
22.00
23.15
17.99
11.24
20.45
2.46
0.54
0.24
0.96
0.39
0.32
0.21
0.05


Bulgaria_Southcentral_Pazardzhik
5
17.15
26.30
19.20
12.66
20.21
1.91
0.39
0.65
0.97
0.15
0.28
0.14
0.00


Bulgaria_Southcentral_Kardzhali
1
21.73
21.46
17.37
14.88
16.78
3.54
1.61
1.12
0.00
0.47
0.88
0.16
0.00


Bulgaria_Southcentral_Haskov
1
22.24
21.99
17.17
14.05
16.32
3.92
2.37
1.17
0.00
0.00
0.00
0.75
0.00


Bulgaria_Southwestern_Blagoevgrad
3
20.53
23.79
18.70
10.97
18.44
3.22
1.27
0.93
0.87
0.59
0.33
0.16
0.21


Bulgaria_Southwestern_Kyustendil
1
27.23
27.16
16.45
9.78
13.18
2.69
0.00
0.28
2.16
0.23
0.84
0.00
0.00


Bulgaria_Southwestern_Sofia
12
22.36
25.30
18.08
11.30
17.92
2.21
0.79
0.37
0.95
0.37
0.35
0.02
0.00


Bulgaria_Southwestern_Sofia_city
15
23.33
23.23
17.60
12.00
19.36
2.01
0.33
0.62
0.69
0.37
0.28
0.09
0.09

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<colgroup><col style="width: 226px"><col width="117"><col width="85"><col width="63"><col width="65"><col width="57"><col width="47"><col width="40"></colgroup><tbody>
Name
Number of Samples
NE+NW Euro
Med Euro
Caucasus
SW Asia
Siberia
India


Bulgaria_Northeastern_Dobrich
7
43.98
36.74
13.72
3.03
1.02
0.59


Bulgaria_Northeastern_Varna
2
46.42
37.44
12.43
1.41
1.25
0.02


Bulgaria_Northcentral_Gabrovo
3
46.39
36.73
11.92
2.11
2.10
0.55


Bulgaria_Northcentral_VelikoTarnovo
6
45.47
36.68
12.72
2.75
1.65
0.13


Bulgaria_Northcentral_Silistra
4
45.39
40.12
9.74
2.04
1.08
1.46


Bulgaria_Northcentral_Ruse
2
46.33
34.17
13.57
2.47
2.00
0.79


Bulgaria_Northwestern_unspecified
2
48.60
36.58
10.01
2.50
1.32
0.00


Bulgaria_Northwestern_Vidin
3
48.64
36.20
9.81
2.39
1.42
0.99


Bulgaria_Northwestern_Montana
5
47.25
38.46
9.17
2.93
1.57
0.00


Bulgaria_Northwestern_Vratsa
8
50.40
35.60
9.54
2.24
1.47
0.31


Bulgaria_Northwestern_Pleven
6
46.45
37.73
10.10
2.51
2.36
0.66


Bulgaria_Northwestern_Lovech
3
47.04
34.61
13.92
1.45
2.04
0.49


Bulgaria_Southeastern_StaraZagora
4
44.89
37.31
13.27
2.55
1.29
0.00


Bulgaria_Southeastern_Sliven
2
38.12
41.20
13.63
4.37
1.74
0.26


Bulgaria_Southeastern_unspecified
5
40.41
40.28
13.70
3.00
1.03
0.85


Bulgaria_Southeastern_Burgas
1
45.51
33.51
17.54
2.33
0.76
0.35


Bulgaria_Southcentral_Plovdiv
26
45.15
38.44
11.24
2.67
1.59
0.54


Bulgaria_Southcentral_Pazardzhik
5
43.45
39.40
12.66
2.05
1.77
0.39


Bulgaria_Southcentral_Kardzhali
1
43.19
34.15
14.88
3.70
1.59
1.61


Bulgaria_Southcentral_Haskov
1
44.23
33.49
14.05
4.67
1.17
2.37


Bulgaria_Southwestern_Blagoevgrad
3
44.32
37.14
10.97
3.38
2.39
1.27


Bulgaria_Southwestern_Kyustendil
1
54.39
29.63
9.78
2.69
2.67
0.00


Bulgaria_Southwestern_Sofia
12
47.66
36.00
11.30
2.23
1.68
0.79


Bulgaria_Southwestern_Sofia_city
15
46.56
36.96
12.00
2.11
1.68
0.33

</tbody>
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[vbnetkhio]

This is just the beginning and I will continue to update these averages.

Later today or tomorrow I will also post the averages by provinces. Please don't copy and give them to Lucas, because I don't want to have 1001 averages on K13 again. We will just use the regional ones, as I am doing for Romania and R. Moldova.

By the way, we were talking the other day about the genetic composition of Northern Bulgarians versus Southern Romanians. The two of them are similar, but what's interesting is that in both countries the Western parts are more Northern-shifted than the Central and Eastern.
Any guesses on what's the cause for that?



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<tbody>
Name
Geography
Number of Samples
N_Atlantic
Baltic
West_Med
West_Asian
East_Med
Red_Sea
South_Asian
East_Asian
Siberian
Amerindian
Oceanian
NE_African
Sub-Saharan


Bulgaria_Northeastern
Northeastern
9
22.15
22.37
17.46
13.43
19.44
2.56
0.46
0.32
0.49
0.24
0.29
0.11
0.10


Bulgaria_Northcentral
Northcentral
15
21.30
24.45
17.41
11.88
19.86
2.33
0.65
0.28
0.99
0.37
0.28
0.07
0.14


Bulgaria_Northwestern
Northwestern
27
22.04
26.19
17.58
10.15
19.05
2.31
0.40
0.52
0.70
0.51
0.38
0.07
0.09


Romania_Dobruja
Southeastern
21
22.29
24.36
17.86
10.90
19.00
2.26
0.63
0.88
1.17
0.28
0.25
0.06
0.07


Romania_Muntenia
Southcentral
137
21.89
24.46
17.54
11.50
18.85
2.24
0.73
0.57
1.04
0.57
0.36
0.15
0.09


Romania_Oltenia
Southwestern
58
23.55
25.06
17.95
10.70
17.79
1.82
0.68
0.80
0.68
0.40
0.37
0.10
0.10

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Also interesting to notice how Southern Romanians have more Siberian/East Asian admixture than Bulgarians, who according to the history of the country was founded by Turkic Bulgars.

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<tbody>
Name
Geography
Number of Samples
NE+NW Euro
Med Euro
Caucasus
SW Asia
Siberia
India


Bulgaria_Northeastern
Northeastern
9
44.52
36.90
13.43
2.67
1.06
0.46


Bulgaria_Northcentral
Northcentral
15
45.75
37.27
11.88
2.40
1.63
0.65


Bulgaria_Northwestern
Northwestern
27
48.24
36.63
10.15
2.38
1.73
0.40


Romania_Dobruja
Southeastern
21
46.65
36.86
10.90
2.31
2.33
0.63


Romania_Muntenia
Southcentral
137
46.35
36.39
11.50
2.39
2.18
0.73


Romania_Oltenia
Southwestern
58
48.61
35.74
10.70
1.92
1.88
0.68

</tbody>
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could you make a PCA in PAST with individual results from Northern Bulgaria and Southern Romania? i'll provide the East/Southeast Serbs.

here it is is with the data i have:

https://i.imgur.com/yRwHSxk.png

red- Serbs, green-Bulgarians, blue- Romanians.

[Ion Basescul]

could you make a PCA in PAST with individual results from Northern Bulgaria and Southern Romania? i'll provide the East/Southeast Serbs.

here it is is with the data i have:

https://i.imgur.com/yRwHSxk.png

red- Serbs, green-Bulgarians, blue- Romanians.

Send me the Serbs and I'll do it later today.

[Ion Basescul]

could you make a PCA in PAST with individual results from Northern Bulgaria and Southern Romania? i'll provide the East/Southeast Serbs.

here it is is with the data i have:



red- Serbs, green-Bulgarians, blue- Romanians.

Here it is, I am using Vahaduo (https://vahaduo.github.io/custompca/) instead of PAST, since I need my work computer with Windows for the latter one.

Number of samples:


Northern Bulgaria: 51
Southern Romania: 219
Eastern and Southern Serbia: 23


Romanians are clearly overrepresented and even Bulgarians are almost twice as many as Serbs. Having taken these disadvantages into account, on average Bulgarians appear slightly more Near Eastern-shifted, Romanians more West European-shifted and Serbs East European-shifted. There are also a couple of Southern Romanian outliers who are both more East European and Near East-shifted than both East/South Serbs and Northern Bulgarians.

https://i.imgur.com/gOMiCda.png

https://i.imgur.com/M2lWfpS.png

[vbnetkhio]

Here it is, I am using Vahaduo (https://vahaduo.github.io/custompca/) instead of PAST, since I need my work computer with Windows for the latter one.

Number of samples:


Northern Bulgaria: 51
Southern Romania: 219
Eastern and Southern Serbia: 23


Romanians are clearly overrepresented and even Bulgarians are almost twice as many as Serbs. Having taken these disadvantages into account, on average Bulgarians appear slightly more Near Eastern-shifted, Romanians more West European-shifted and Serbs East European-shifted. There are also a couple of Southern Romanian outliers who are both more East and Near East-shifted than both East/South Serbs and Northern Bulgarians.

https://i.imgur.com/gOMiCda.png

https://i.imgur.com/M2lWfpS.png

on the second PCA, it's obvious that South Romanians and North Bulgarians have a very similar range and distribution, with some Romanains being more Slavic admixed than any of the Bulgarian samples.
so there goes my theory about autosomal dna correlating with linguistics.

[Ion Basescul]

so there goes my theory about autosomal dna correlating with linguistics.

Well, that could still be true. Bulgaria's ancient Thracian sample was more Southern genetically than the Getae samples from Moldova. The ancient samples from the coast of Croatia were more Northern than both.
So theoretically, Northern Bulgarians received a larger Slavic input than Southern Romanians, but because Romania's native population was more Northern-shifted, they arrive at about the same results.

[Lioncourt]

So genetic difference in Bulgaria is more west/east than north/south. Not surprising.

Also, result from Sofia city are slightly different from other western results and closer to Bulgarian average. Again not surprising.

[Ion Basescul]

.

I've added manually the lines that are autogenerated with PAST.

https://i.imgur.com/bmH7XHW.png

[Ion Basescul]

double post

[Ion Basescul]

+ Southern Bulgarians

If someone has those North Macedonians who are contained in the averages from Eurogenes K13 updated and wants to see them in these PCAs, then PM them to me.

https://i.imgur.com/pkd5B1i.png

https://i.imgur.com/ZhyeDgC.png

[bained]

You are now aware that First Bulgarian Tsardom was holding Walachia for longer than Thrace.

Don't show these results to many people, the bulgarian snowflake nationalists will not like it. We are special and unique.

[Ion Basescul]

You are now aware that First Bulgarian Tsardom was holding Walachia for longer than Thrace.

Don't show these results to many people, the bulgarian snowflake nationalists will not like it. We are special and unique.

Do Bulgarian nationalists put the accent on the Turkic, Slavic or Thracian aspect?

[bained]

Do Bulgarian nationalists put the accent on the Turkic, Slavic or Thracian aspect?

Bulgars were not turkic, I can tell you that for sure. When that Harvard DNA study comes out next year, the debate will be dead once and for all. Enough with soviet propaganda. Slavic is just panslavism = russian fifth column. Thracian is new and gaining popularity, someone had a revelation that can profit from all the gold and archeological sites.

I'm from roman fortress town and I LARP daily as a roman - drinking olive oil and eating macaroni.

[Sofia]

Very interesting thread, good job! If you want to run me you can use my values, I am from Sofia City.
Sofia, 26.84, 22.38, 16.08, 9.58, 21.02, 1.36, 0.00, 0.00, 1.99, 0.46, 0.29, 0.00, 0.00

[Ion Basescul]

Very interesting thread, good job! If you want to run me you can use my values, I am from Sofia City.
Sofia, 26.84, 22.38, 16.08, 9.58, 21.02, 1.36, 0.00, 0.00, 1.99, 0.46, 0.29, 0.00, 0.00

Thanks, here are your results.


<tbody>
Distance to:
Sofia


3.51279091
Bulgaria_Northcentral_8_VelikoTarnovo


3.59660951
Bulgaria_Southcentral_1_Plovdiv


4.09604687
Bulgaria_Northcentral_13_Silistra


4.37990867
Bulgaria_Northcentral_10_Silistra


4.44177892
Bulgaria_Northwestern_13_Vratsa


4.76015756
Bulgaria_Northwestern_27_Lovech


5.02424124
Bulgaria_Southcentral_24_Plovdiv


5.02424124
Bulgaria_Southcentral_25_Plovdiv


5.09913718
Bulgaria_Southwestern_29_Sofia_city


5.19184938
Bulgaria_Northeastern_8_Varna


5.20292226
Bulgaria_Southwestern_19_Sofia_city


5.27328171
Bulgaria_Southcentral_15_Plovdiv


5.38266663
Bulgaria_Southcentral_9_Plovdiv


5.49030965
Bulgaria_Southcentral_14_Plovdiv


5.52420130
Bulgaria_Southwestern_23_Sofia_city


5.55419661
Bulgaria_Northcentral_3_Gabrovo


5.63776551
Bulgaria_Southcentral_21_Plovdiv


5.64276528
Bulgaria_Southcentral_18_Plovdiv


5.79571393
Bulgaria_Northwestern_24_Pleven


5.88989813
Bulgaria_Northeastern_9_Varna


5.88989813
Bulgaria_Northcentral_4_VelikoTarnovo


5.92497257
Bulgaria_Northwestern_23_Pleven


6.16627116
Bulgaria_Southwestern_15_Sofia


6.16682252
Bulgaria_Southwestern_28_Sofia_city


6.19835462
Bulgaria_Northwestern_7_Montana


6.22078773
Bulgaria_Southwestern_21_Sofia_city


6.48818927
Bulgaria_Southcentral_16_Plovdiv


6.51074497
Bulgaria_Northcentral_11_Silistra


6.59094834
Bulgaria_Northcentral_2_Gabrovo


6.64314684
Bulgaria_Northwestern_22_Pleven


6.64414780
Bulgaria_Northwestern_17_Vratsa


6.65932429
Bulgaria_Southeastern_3_StaraZagora


6.74012611
Bulgaria_Southwestern_14_Sofia


6.74288514
Bulgaria_Southwestern_11_Sofia


6.75086661
Bulgaria_Northwestern_19_Pleven


6.75692238
Bulgaria_Southeastern_1_StaraZagora


6.84034356
Bulgaria_Southwestern_30_Sofia_city


6.91774530
Bulgaria_Northwestern_1_unspecified


6.92688963
Bulgaria_Northcentral_1_Gabrovo


7.02432915
Bulgaria_Southwestern_5_Sofia


7.03597897
Bulgaria_Southwestern_10_Sofia


7.04031960
Bulgaria_Northwestern_18_Vratsa


7.04523243
Bulgaria_Southeastern_11_unspecified


7.07723816
Bulgaria_Southcentral_19_Plovdiv


7.16026536
Bulgaria_Southcentral_26_Plovdiv


7.36673605
Bulgaria_Northeastern_7_Dobrich


7.40545745
Bulgaria_Southcentral_12_Plovdiv


7.45970509
Bulgaria_Southwestern_12_Sofia


7.68730772
Bulgaria_Southcentral_22_Plovdiv


7.68962288
Bulgaria_Southwestern_13_Sofia

</tbody>



Target: Sofia
Distance: 2.0392% / 2.03921895 | ADC: 0.25x
37.6 Bulgaria_Southcentral_1_Plovdiv
25.0 Bulgaria_Northwestern_27_Lovech
13.4 Bulgaria_Southcentral_19_Plovdiv
12.8 Bulgaria_Northwestern_13_Vratsa
8.0 Bulgaria_Southwestern_21_Sofia_city
3.2 Bulgaria_Northwestern_23_Pleven


With only samples from Sofia
Target: Sofia
Distance: 3.7333% / 3.73331161
33.8 Bulgaria_Southwestern_21_Sofia_city
23.2 Bulgaria_Southwestern_10_Sofia
21.4 Bulgaria_Southwestern_20_Sofia_city
18.0 Bulgaria_Southwestern_28_Sofia_city
3.6 Bulgaria_Southwestern_19_Sofia_city

[Jana]

here are newest Macedonian regional averages made by Johhny, for comparison

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?319731-Macedonian-Gedmatch-kits-28&p=6912241&viewfull=1#post6912241

[vbnetkhio]

Well, that could still be true. Bulgaria's ancient Thracian sample was more Southern genetically than the Getae samples from Moldova. The ancient samples from the coast of Croatia were more Northern than both.
So theoretically, Northern Bulgarians received a larger Slavic input than Southern Romanians, but because Romania's native population was more Northern-shifted, they arrive at about the same results.

it depends, is that north shift a Bell Beaker shift or a Baltic shift.

[PAGANE]

I follow

[TheBalkanite]

UT8918045 is my kit number you can add me to Northwestern Bulgaria. What i notice is we have more Baltic than other regions in Bulgaria which means more Slavic what is interesting is whether that is because the region of Northwestern Bulgaria was more depopulated than other regions or the other regions were the same amount of depopulated but they later mixed with other native balkanites, i tend to think its probably the first.

[Ion Basescul]

UT8918045 is my kit number you can add me to Northwestern Bulgaria. What i notice is we have more Baltic than other regions in Bulgaria which means more Slavic what is interesting is whether that is because the region of Northwestern Bulgaria was more depopulated than other regions or the other regions were the same amount of depopulated but they later mixed with other native balkanites, i tend to think its probably the first.

It seems that people closer to Serbia originally, both in the North and South have a higher weight of Northern components (North Atlantic and Baltic). In your case the sum of them is lower than average for Northwestern and Southwestern Bulgaria, but you definitely fit within their variety.

[War Chef]

Best thread ever. Thanks for this.

:popcorn:

[War Chef]

Single population distances for the Northern half of the country


<tbody>
Distance to:
Bulgaria_Northeastern


2.72185598
Pomak_Nevrokopi


3.00888684
Moldova_South_Gagauzia


3.02834939
Romania_Muntenia


3.67209749
Romania_Wallachia


3.77876964
Romania_Dobruja


3.87223450
Macedonian_Northwest


3.97823846
North_Macedonian


4.02058453
Macedonian_average


4.17097111
Macedonian_Southeast


4.31736030
Moldova_South


4.52887403
Romania_Oltenia


4.71651354
Vlach_North-Macedonia-Highlander


4.72637282
Vlach_North-Macedonia


4.79548746
Bosniak_Sandzak


4.81298244
Romania_Banat


5.00622612
Macedonian_Central


5.22492105
Turk_Razgrad


5.26784586
Turk_Kavala


5.36676811
Romania_average


5.40656083
Pomak_Drama


5.61258408
Montenegrin


5.86585885
Pomak_Central-Macedonia


5.87751648
Romania_Transylvania


5.92919050
Turk_Dobrich


6.01808109
Macedonian_East

</tbody>



Very cool. Yeah mystery solved about the Gagauz. They are from here mostly:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaliakra

[vbnetkhio]

After similar threads for Romania and Moldova (Moldavia (https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?327651-Moldovan-Romanian-GEDmatch-Results-v2), Wallachia (https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?332304-Wallachian-Romanian-GEDmatch-Results-v2) and Transylvania (https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?319438-Transylvanian-Romanian-GEDmatch-Results)), I decided that it's time to show Bulgaria some love as well.

For the purpose of this thread, Bulgaria will be divided regionally along the lines of the NUTS statistical regions (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NUTS_statistical_regions_of_Bulgaria):



some academic samples from Plovdiv:

East_Rumelia_650,20.56,16.52,21.60,13.04,22.89,4.2 0,0.00,0.00,0.57,0.22,0.39,0.00,0.01
East_Rumelia_653,17.84,14.43,18.86,16.20,27.79,3.4 8,0.04,0.00,0.00,1.37,0.00,0.00,0.00
East_Rumelia_651,15.29,19.60,20.91,16.84,22.89,3.2 8,0.03,0.00,0.79,0.00,0.37,0.00,0.00
East_Rumelia_642,24.43,16.27,17.56,13.25,23.08,3.0 8,1.92,0.00,0.01,0.38,0.00,0.00,0.00
East_Rumelia_646,19.34,13.74,17.62,17.82,25.37,2.7 9,1.92,0.04,0.70,0.24,0.41,0.00,0.00
East_Rumelia_652,15.81,11.41,18.26,17.16,32.14,2.5 9,0.00,0.16,0.95,0.52,0.00,0.00,1.00
East_Rumelia_647,21.08,22.70,20.07,15.47,16.99,2.3 1,0.54,0.02,0.75,0.00,0.00,0.05,0.00
East_Rumelia_643,15.84,16.99,17.21,19.83,26.62,2.0 5,0.23,0.00,0.08,0.00,1.16,0.00,0.00
East_Rumelia_644,14.78,25.52,16.33,11.82,27.11,1.9 2,0.00,0.00,2.11,0.00,0.00,0.01,0.39
East_Rumelia_645,20.59,22.70,18.67,11.77,23.06,1.9 0,0.00,0.00,0.12,0.00,1.19,0.00,0.00
East_Rumelia_649,21.36,17.76,18.77,10.40,27.10,1.5 5,1.87,0.00,0.11,0.48,0.00,0.00,0.60
East_Rumelia_648,20.35,21.58,21.26,15.82,17.05,0.8 3,0.13,1.93,0.00,0.69,0.00,0.00,0.36

[Kaspias]

some academic samples from Plovdiv:

East_Rumelia_650,20.56,16.52,21.60,13.04,22.89,4.2 0,0.00,0.00,0.57,0.22,0.39,0.00,0.01
East_Rumelia_653,17.84,14.43,18.86,16.20,27.79,3.4 8,0.04,0.00,0.00,1.37,0.00,0.00,0.00
East_Rumelia_651,15.29,19.60,20.91,16.84,22.89,3.2 8,0.03,0.00,0.79,0.00,0.37,0.00,0.00
East_Rumelia_642,24.43,16.27,17.56,13.25,23.08,3.0 8,1.92,0.00,0.01,0.38,0.00,0.00,0.00
East_Rumelia_646,19.34,13.74,17.62,17.82,25.37,2.7 9,1.92,0.04,0.70,0.24,0.41,0.00,0.00
East_Rumelia_652,15.81,11.41,18.26,17.16,32.14,2.5 9,0.00,0.16,0.95,0.52,0.00,0.00,1.00
East_Rumelia_647,21.08,22.70,20.07,15.47,16.99,2.3 1,0.54,0.02,0.75,0.00,0.00,0.05,0.00
East_Rumelia_643,15.84,16.99,17.21,19.83,26.62,2.0 5,0.23,0.00,0.08,0.00,1.16,0.00,0.00
East_Rumelia_644,14.78,25.52,16.33,11.82,27.11,1.9 2,0.00,0.00,2.11,0.00,0.00,0.01,0.39
East_Rumelia_645,20.59,22.70,18.67,11.77,23.06,1.9 0,0.00,0.00,0.12,0.00,1.19,0.00,0.00
East_Rumelia_649,21.36,17.76,18.77,10.40,27.10,1.5 5,1.87,0.00,0.11,0.48,0.00,0.00,0.60
East_Rumelia_648,20.35,21.58,21.26,15.82,17.05,0.8 3,0.13,1.93,0.00,0.69,0.00,0.00,0.36

Thanks for posting!

These should be supposedly Greeks but some are in Pomak and Bulgarian degrees. Now I question if they mean all the present ethnicities while naming them "East_Rumelia."

Anyway, 5 of them have consistency in terms of being Greek, while the other 5 are kind of outliers. These are the outliers(extremely North/South)

Distance to: East_Rumelia_648
5.57434301 Bulgaria_Southeastern
5.68049294 Moldova_South_Gagauzia
6.00238286 Bulgaria_Northeastern
6.68280630 Pomak_Nevrokopi
7.05513288 Bulgaria_average


Distance to: East_Rumelia_644
5.21930072 Pomak_Xanthi
7.20131238 Greek_Northern-Thrace
7.87399517 Pomak_average
7.89250277 Pomak_Drama
8.40816270 Pomak_Komotini

Distance to: East_Rumelia_647
4.31413954 Bulgaria_Northeastern
4.44662794 Bulgaria_Southeastern
4.63562294 Moldova_South_Gagauzia
5.39055656 Bulgaria_average
5.39491427 Bulgaria_Southwestern


Distance to: East_Rumelia_652
4.38633104 Greek_Ionia
4.80825332 Greek_Crete
5.46134599 Greek_North_Aegean
5.57526681 Greek_Andros_Island
5.80142224 Greek_Cyclades

Distance to: East_Rumelia_653
2.88910021 Greek_Central
3.73038872 Greek_Athens
4.11953881 Greek_Peloponnese
4.26697785 Greek_Macedonia_Thrace
4.66753682 Greek_Andros_Island

Average made by removing the outliers:


Greek_Rumelia,19.63,17.65,18.91,14.71,24.43,2.69,0 .85,0.01,0.34,0.19,0.50,0.00,0.09



Distance to: Average
2.53335746 Greek_Northeast
2.83148371 Greek
3.11480336 Greek_West_Macedonia
3.35280480 Greek_Central_Macedonia
3.42172471 Turk_Makedonya
3.83717670 Greek_Thessaly
3.87134344 Greek_Peloponnese
3.91391109 Greek_West
4.77147776 Vlach(Aromanian)_average
4.94642295 Greek_Eastern-Macedonia
5.09586107 Albanian
5.15133963 Greek_Eastern-Thrace
5.25850739 Albanian_Tosk
5.37911703 Albanian_Gheg
5.79435933 Greek_Central
5.90009322 Bulgaria_Southeastern
5.95890091 Torbesh_average
6.11159554 Greek_Macedonia_Thrace
6.36468872 Macedonia_south
6.40905609 Greek_Northern-Thrace
6.59209375 Greek_Athens
6.62727697 Moldova_South_Gagauzia
6.70085069 Greek_Istanbul
6.96025143 Pomak_Drama
7.03194852 MACEDONIAN_AVERAGE

[Thracian]

Average of them


East_Rumelia,18.94,18.27,18.93,14.95,24.34,2.50,0. 56,0.18,0.52,0.33,0.30,0.01,0.20


Distance to: East_Rumelia
3.14305584 Greek_Northeast
3.28940724 Greek
3.29270406 Turk_Makedonya
3.42948976 Greek_Central_Macedonia
3.82362394 Greek_West_Macedonia
4.22170582 Greek_West
4.32256868 Greek_Peloponnese
4.43612725 Greek_Thessaly
4.83841916 Vlach(Aromanian)_average
4.86131669 Greek_Eastern-Thrace
5.41274422 Greek_Eastern-Macedonia
5.55350340 Bulgaria_Southeastern
5.56610277 Albanian
5.75039999 Greek_Macedonia_Thrace
5.77387218 Albanian_Gheg
5.81553093 Albanian_Tosk
5.94514087 Greek_Northern-Thrace
6.15237353 Moldova_South_Gagauzia
6.16787646 Greek_Central
6.32015823 Torbesh_average
6.36845350 Pomak_Drama
6.41915201 Macedonia_south
6.65670339 Greek_Istanbul
6.85690892 Pomak_Komotini
6.98366666 Greek_Athens

[vbnetkhio]

Thanks for posting!

These should be supposedly Greeks but the most are in Pomak and Bulgarian degrees. Now I question if they mean all the present ethnicities while naming them "East_Rumelia."

Anyway, 5 of them have consistency in terms of being Greek, while the other 5 are kind of outliers. These are the outliers(extremely North/South)



they are supposed to be Greek? it's mentioned in the study?

[Kaspias]

they are supposed to be Greek? it's mentioned in the study?

This is the only information provided in the article:


In our sample collection process from the Greek subpopulations, we extracted DNA from blood samples of individuals that were at least 70 y old and self-reported that all four grandparents originated from the target population. We expect that because of our sample selection process, our data reflect the genetic structure of the Greek subpopulations four generations before present. We combined our data with four additional datasets to study population structure around the Mediterranean basin as well as Northern Europe. Thus, we produced a dataset of 964 samples from 32 populations, genotyped on 75,194 SNPs.


The Greek members in Anthrogenica, together with Davidski, presumed that Rumelia samples are Greeks. But what I see here they can be random Plovdivians as well. If we are going to presume that these are the Greeks, their average when the individuals I mentioned as outliers are removed actually show a connection to the Northern Greek data we had.(Greece_Northeast as a reference)

If they are all indeed the Greeks, it shows recent colonization effort from the Southern Greece/Aegea, and somehow it preserved.(Individuals were quite old though.) In addition, it also shows some Bulgarians are absorbed among the Greek community.

If we are going to presume these are not Greeks and randomly collected, samples might be including half Sephardic Jewish individuals, Pomaks, Bulgarians, and Greeks.

[vbnetkhio]

This is the only information provided in the article:



The Greek members in Anthrogenica, together with Davidski, presumed that Rumelia samples are Greeks. But what I see here they can be random Plovdivians as well. If we are going to presume that these are the Greeks, their average when the individuals I mentioned as outliers are removed actually show a connection to the Northern Greek data we had.(Greece_Northeast as a reference)

If they are all indeed the Greeks, it shows recent colonization effort from the Southern Greece/Aegea, and somehow it preserved.(Individuals were quite old though.) In addition, it also shows some Bulgarians are absorbed among the Greek community.

If we are going to presume these are not Greeks and randomly collected, samples might be including half Sephardic Jewish individuals, Pomaks, Bulgarians, and Greeks.

in the supplementary data it says they are from Plovdiv.

this sentence:

In our sample collection process from the Greek subpopulations, we extracted DNA from blood samples of individuals that were at least 70 y old and self-reported that all four grandparents originated from the target population. We expect that because of our sample selection process, our data reflect the genetic structure of the Greek subpopulations four generations before present. We combined our data with four additional datasets to study population structure around the Mediterranean basin as well as Northern Europe. Thus, we produced a dataset of 964 samples from 32 populations, genotyped on 75,194 SNPs.

could be refering just to the actual Greek samples from the study, like the Cretans, Macedonians etc.

there are many other non-Greek samples in the study too. Serbs, Hungarians..

[Thracian]

I think all of them should be Greek speakers. Otherwise, I don't see any reason to put Greeks from North, Southern and Anatolia in the same basket. Northern Greeks, especially Greeks from Macedonia are closer to Bulgarians. Anyway, I excluded 3 of outliers -643, 636 and 652 because Greek Istanbul and Greek Macedonia Thrace are mixed- and divided those samples into 3 different groups, according to their closest populations.


East_Rumelian_Bulgarian,20.71,22.14,20.67,15.65,17 .02,1.57,0.34,0.98,0.38,0.35,0,0.03,0.18
East_Rumelian_Greek,20.96,17.54,19.09,12.93,24.78, 2.84,0.77,0,0.16,0.49,0.32,0,0.12
East_Rumelian_Pomak,15.04,22.56,18.62,14.33,25,2.6 ,0.02,0,1.45,0,0.19,0.01,0.2




Distance to: East_Rumelian_Pomak
4.56452626 Pomak_Komotini
5.55869589 Pomak_Drama
5.59065291 Greek_Northern-Thrace
5.90996616 Greek_Eastern-Thrace
6.54306503 Pomak_average
6.62086097 Turk_Makedonya
6.63318928 Moldova_South_Gagauzia
7.00774571 Bulgaria_Southeastern
7.08610612 Greek_Central_Macedonia
7.27122411 Pomak_Nevrokopi
7.59730215 Vlach(Aromanian)_average
7.60128936 Greek_Macedonia_Thrace
8.01400649 Greek
8.25239965 Greek_West
8.29874087 Greek_Northeast
8.35976076 Bulgaria_Southcentral
8.52120297 Greek_Peloponnese
8.54455967 Turk_Deliorman
8.72618473 Turk_Trakya
8.73967748 Macedonia_south
8.80669632 Bulgaria_Northcentral
8.86259697 Greek_Thessaly
8.87909905 Pomak_Xanthi
8.93070546 MACEDONIAN_AVERAGE
9.12198268 Macednia_north


Distance to: East_Rumelian_Greek
2.07294477 Greek_Northeast
2.12153836 Greek_Thessaly
2.70867126 Greek
2.76882647 Greek_West_Macedonia
2.95623071 Greek_Central_Macedonia
3.44222312 Greek_West
3.48485294 Albanian
3.54515162 Albanian_Tosk
3.80692790 Greek_Peloponnese
3.84007812 Vlach(Aromanian)_average
3.96901751 Albanian_Gheg
3.96918128 Turk_Makedonya
4.41937778 Torbesh_average
4.55472282 Greek_Eastern-Macedonia
5.38823371 Macedonia_south
5.63188246 Greek_Eastern-Thrace
6.11052371 MACEDONIAN_AVERAGE
6.27590631 Greek_Central
6.27833577 Bulgaria_Southeastern
6.32469762 Greek_Western-Thrace
6.39554908 Macednia_north
6.39753077 Greek_Northern-Thrace
6.82882860 Greek_Athens
7.08892093 Moldova_South_Gagauzia
7.47659682 Pomak_Nevrokopi

Distance to: East_Rumelian_Bulgarian
4.77844117 Bulgaria_Southeastern
4.92700721 Moldova_South_Gagauzia
4.97660527 Bulgaria_Northeastern
5.89483672 Pomak_Nevrokopi
6.07187780 Bulgaria_average
6.10589060 Bulgaria_Southwestern
6.16292139 Bulgaria_Southcentral
6.34098573 Bulgaria_Northcentral
6.39003130 Romania_Muntenia
6.53217422 Romania_Wallachia
6.64414780 Romania_Dobruja
6.64593109 Moldova_South
6.66410534 MACEDONIAN_AVERAGE
6.73375174 Macedonia_south
6.88605112 Pomak_average
6.90204665 Macednia_north
6.99673495 Romania_Oltenia
7.03608556 Bosniak_Sandzak
7.15078317 Romania_Banat
7.44436700 Vlach(Aromanian)_average
7.57256231 Pomak_Drama
7.81718619 Romania_average
7.87925758 Pomak_Komotini
7.94211559 Montenegrin
7.94577246 Bulgaria_Northwestern

[Kaspias]

in the supplementary data it says they are from Plovdiv.

this sentence:


could be refering just to the actual Greek samples from the study, like the Cretans, Macedonians etc.

there are many other non-Greek samples in the study too. Serbs, Hungarians..

Yes, I'm aware of it. I presumed they are Greeks because of what Thracian stated and thought Johnny and 23abc in Anthrogenica have some other information we don't have, but apparently they don't have. But how is it likely to found such Greek shifted individuals if you collect samples randomly in a Bulgarian town? This is the question we should ask.

But then, you see the variation...

https://i.ibb.co/qd8HrfC/Ads-z.png

2 Major clusters, one possibly cluster, and 3 definitive outliers. I wonder how the projection would look like based on Dodecad K12b.

[vbnetkhio]

Yes, I'm aware of it. I presumed they are Greeks because of what Thracian stated and thought Johnny and 23abc in Anthrogenica have some other information we don't have, but apparently they don't have. But how is it likely to found such Greek shifted individuals if you collect samples randomly in a Bulgarian town? This is the question we should ask.

But then, you see the variation...

https://i.ibb.co/qd8HrfC/Ads-z.png

2 Major clusters, one possibly cluster, and 3 definitive outliers. I wonder how the projection would look like based on Dodecad K12b.

they are all further south than Bulgaria-SC. Maybe they are Plovdiv Greeks after all.

i'll try to do the dodecad tomorrow. the samples have number-coded snps, they'll need some reformating to get the most k12b snps out of them.

[andre]

Yes, I'm aware of it. I presumed they are Greeks because of what Thracian stated and thought Johnny and 23abc in Anthrogenica have some other information we don't have, but apparently they don't have. But how is it likely to found such Greek shifted individuals if you collect samples randomly in a Bulgarian town? This is the question we should ask.

But then, you see the variation...

https://i.ibb.co/qd8HrfC/Ads-z.png

2 Major clusters, one possibly cluster, and 3 definitive outliers. I wonder how the projection would look like based on Dodecad K12b.

Maybe someone already asked about; which software did you used for this PCA?

[Abriekman]

As promised, here are the provincial averages. Some provinces have very few samples and will obviously grow with time. If you find something, post them in this thread to get them added.

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Name
Number of Samples
N_Atlantic
Baltic
West_Med
West_Asian
East_Med
Red_Sea
South_Asian
East_Asian
Siberian
Amerindian
Oceanian
NE_African
Sub-Saharan


Bulgaria_Northeastern_Dobrich
7
21.64
22.34
17.33
13.72
19.41
2.89
0.59
0.32
0.39
0.30
0.21
0.15
0.00


Bulgaria_Northeastern_Varna
2
23.94
22.48
17.90
12.43
19.54
1.41
0.02
0.33
0.84
0.08
0.58
0.00
0.47


Bulgaria_Northcentral_Gabrovo
3
22.69
23.70
17.48
11.92
19.25
2.11
0.55
0.14
1.07
0.90
0.18
0.00
0.02


Bulgaria_Northcentral_VelikoTarnovo
6
21.17
24.30
18.07
12.72
18.61
2.69
0.13
0.42
0.93
0.29
0.39
0.07
0.21


Bulgaria_Northcentral_Silistra
4
21.95
23.44
16.96
9.74
23.16
2.04
1.46
0.26
0.70
0.12
0.17
0.00
0.00


Bulgaria_Northcentral_Ruse
2
18.29
28.04
16.23
13.57
17.94
2.18
0.79
0.09
1.61
0.30
0.35
0.29
0.34


Bulgaria_Northwestern_unspecified
2
20.10
28.50
16.59
10.01
19.99
2.50
0.00
0.74
0.49
0.09
1.01
0.00
0.00


Bulgaria_Northwestern_Vidin
3
20.98
27.66
16.57
9.81
19.64
2.17
0.99
0.15
0.29
0.98
0.29
0.21
0.23


Bulgaria_Northwestern_Montana
5
20.63
26.62
17.86
9.17
20.60
2.89
0.00
0.51
0.59
0.47
0.51
0.04
0.12


Bulgaria_Northwestern_Vratsa
8
23.20
27.20
17.89
9.54
17.70
2.21
0.31
0.62
0.69
0.16
0.30
0.03
0.15


Bulgaria_Northwestern_Pleven
6
23.03
23.43
18.47
10.10
19.26
2.46
0.66
0.64
0.93
0.78
0.19
0.05
0.00


Bulgaria_Northwestern_Lovech
3
21.72
25.32
16.18
13.92
18.43
1.30
0.49
0.24
1.05
0.75
0.45
0.15
0.00


Bulgaria_Southeastern_StaraZagora
4
22.33
22.56
18.63
13.27
18.68
2.55
0.00
0.57
0.42
0.29
0.60
0.00
0.10


Bulgaria_Southeastern_Sliven
2
18.00
20.13
19.24
13.63
21.97
4.37
0.26
0.00
1.08
0.67
0.68
0.00
0.00


Bulgaria_Southeastern_unspecified
5
18.47
21.94
18.79
13.70
21.49
2.94
0.85
0.20
0.28
0.54
0.38
0.06
0.08


Bulgaria_Southeastern_Burgas
1
23.92
21.59
14.33
17.54
19.18
1.39
0.35
0.27
0.49
0.00
0.00
0.94
0.00


Bulgaria_Southcentral_Plovdiv
26
22.00
23.15
17.99
11.24
20.45
2.46
0.54
0.24
0.96
0.39
0.32
0.21
0.05


Bulgaria_Southcentral_Pazardzhik
5
17.15
26.30
19.20
12.66
20.21
1.91
0.39
0.65
0.97
0.15
0.28
0.14
0.00


Bulgaria_Southcentral_Kardzhali
1
21.73
21.46
17.37
14.88
16.78
3.54
1.61
1.12
0.00
0.47
0.88
0.16
0.00


Bulgaria_Southcentral_Haskov
1
22.24
21.99
17.17
14.05
16.32
3.92
2.37
1.17
0.00
0.00
0.00
0.75
0.00


Bulgaria_Southwestern_Blagoevgrad
3
20.53
23.79
18.70
10.97
18.44
3.22
1.27
0.93
0.87
0.59
0.33
0.16
0.21


Bulgaria_Southwestern_Kyustendil
1
27.23
27.16
16.45
9.78
13.18
2.69
0.00
0.28
2.16
0.23
0.84
0.00
0.00


Bulgaria_Southwestern_Sofia
12
22.36
25.30
18.08
11.30
17.92
2.21
0.79
0.37
0.95
0.37
0.35
0.02
0.00


Bulgaria_Southwestern_Sofia_city
15
23.33
23.23
17.60
12.00
19.36
2.01
0.33
0.62
0.69
0.37
0.28
0.09
0.09

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Name
Number of Samples
NE+NW Euro
Med Euro
Caucasus
SW Asia
Siberia
India


Bulgaria_Northeastern_Dobrich
7
43.98
36.74
13.72
3.03
1.02
0.59


Bulgaria_Northeastern_Varna
2
46.42
37.44
12.43
1.41
1.25
0.02


Bulgaria_Northcentral_Gabrovo
3
46.39
36.73
11.92
2.11
2.10
0.55


Bulgaria_Northcentral_VelikoTarnovo
6
45.47
36.68
12.72
2.75
1.65
0.13


Bulgaria_Northcentral_Silistra
4
45.39
40.12
9.74
2.04
1.08
1.46


Bulgaria_Northcentral_Ruse
2
46.33
34.17
13.57
2.47
2.00
0.79


Bulgaria_Northwestern_unspecified
2
48.60
36.58
10.01
2.50
1.32
0.00


Bulgaria_Northwestern_Vidin
3
48.64
36.20
9.81
2.39
1.42
0.99


Bulgaria_Northwestern_Montana
5
47.25
38.46
9.17
2.93
1.57
0.00


Bulgaria_Northwestern_Vratsa
8
50.40
35.60
9.54
2.24
1.47
0.31


Bulgaria_Northwestern_Pleven
6
46.45
37.73
10.10
2.51
2.36
0.66


Bulgaria_Northwestern_Lovech
3
47.04
34.61
13.92
1.45
2.04
0.49


Bulgaria_Southeastern_StaraZagora
4
44.89
37.31
13.27
2.55
1.29
0.00


Bulgaria_Southeastern_Sliven
2
38.12
41.20
13.63
4.37
1.74
0.26


Bulgaria_Southeastern_unspecified
5
40.41
40.28
13.70
3.00
1.03
0.85


Bulgaria_Southeastern_Burgas
1
45.51
33.51
17.54
2.33
0.76
0.35


Bulgaria_Southcentral_Plovdiv
26
45.15
38.44
11.24
2.67
1.59
0.54


Bulgaria_Southcentral_Pazardzhik
5
43.45
39.40
12.66
2.05
1.77
0.39


Bulgaria_Southcentral_Kardzhali
1
43.19
34.15
14.88
3.70
1.59
1.61


Bulgaria_Southcentral_Haskov
1
44.23
33.49
14.05
4.67
1.17
2.37


Bulgaria_Southwestern_Blagoevgrad
3
44.32
37.14
10.97
3.38
2.39
1.27


Bulgaria_Southwestern_Kyustendil
1
54.39
29.63
9.78
2.69
2.67
0.00


Bulgaria_Southwestern_Sofia
12
47.66
36.00
11.30
2.23
1.68
0.79


Bulgaria_Southwestern_Sofia_city
15
46.56
36.96
12.00
2.11
1.68
0.33

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Why do Silistra Bulgarians have the highest East Med among samples from other regions?

[Ion Basescul]

some academic samples from Plovdiv:

East_Rumelia_650,20.56,16.52,21.60,13.04,22.89,4.2 0,0.00,0.00,0.57,0.22,0.39,0.00,0.01
East_Rumelia_653,17.84,14.43,18.86,16.20,27.79,3.4 8,0.04,0.00,0.00,1.37,0.00,0.00,0.00
East_Rumelia_651,15.29,19.60,20.91,16.84,22.89,3.2 8,0.03,0.00,0.79,0.00,0.37,0.00,0.00
East_Rumelia_642,24.43,16.27,17.56,13.25,23.08,3.0 8,1.92,0.00,0.01,0.38,0.00,0.00,0.00
East_Rumelia_646,19.34,13.74,17.62,17.82,25.37,2.7 9,1.92,0.04,0.70,0.24,0.41,0.00,0.00
East_Rumelia_652,15.81,11.41,18.26,17.16,32.14,2.5 9,0.00,0.16,0.95,0.52,0.00,0.00,1.00
East_Rumelia_647,21.08,22.70,20.07,15.47,16.99,2.3 1,0.54,0.02,0.75,0.00,0.00,0.05,0.00
East_Rumelia_643,15.84,16.99,17.21,19.83,26.62,2.0 5,0.23,0.00,0.08,0.00,1.16,0.00,0.00
East_Rumelia_644,14.78,25.52,16.33,11.82,27.11,1.9 2,0.00,0.00,2.11,0.00,0.00,0.01,0.39
East_Rumelia_645,20.59,22.70,18.67,11.77,23.06,1.9 0,0.00,0.00,0.12,0.00,1.19,0.00,0.00
East_Rumelia_649,21.36,17.76,18.77,10.40,27.10,1.5 5,1.87,0.00,0.11,0.48,0.00,0.00,0.60
East_Rumelia_648,20.35,21.58,21.26,15.82,17.05,0.8 3,0.13,1.93,0.00,0.69,0.00,0.00,0.36

These are the ones from Plovdiv that I had:

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N_Atlantic
Baltic
West_Med
West_Asian
East_Med
Red_Sea
South_Asian
East_Asian
Siberian
Amerindian
Oceanian
NE_African
Sub-Saharan


25.63
21.24
18.04
8.86
22.32
2.31
0.00
0.00
0.27
0.97
0.32
0.00
0.00


21.60
21.85
15.23
16.60
18.18
3.60
0.52
0.00
1.57
0.00
0.31
0.55
0.00


21.13
25.34
20.77
10.79
16.19
2.00
1.02
0.30
0.46
1.36
0.24
0.39
0.00


17.40
24.66
18.54
11.61
22.10
2.38
1.15
0.00
1.81
0.00
0.00
0.20
0.14


18.57
27.30
16.64
9.78
22.26
2.62
0.00
0.00
1.32
0.00
0.00
1.38
0.13


19.07
23.81
15.94
12.14
22.95
3.51
0.26
0.52
1.80
0.00
0.00
0.00
0.00


22.47
19.32
17.06
12.26
25.79
1.18
0.00
0.93
0.60
0.00
0.00
0.38
0.00


16.91
29.32
15.12
10.67
22.89
2.34
0.50
0.00
1.52
0.00
0.73
0.00
0.00


24.72
20.56
19.62
9.24
19.81
3.30
1.54
0.00
1.20
0.00
0.00
0.00
0.00


19.48
26.74
16.22
13.59
17.74
3.92
0.00
0.08
0.53
0.00
0.94
0.76
0.00


24.20
21.25
19.99
13.21
16.38
1.96
0.67
0.98
0.00
0.72
0.64
0.00
0.00


23.87
18.02
20.68
11.09
21.91
2.50
0.10
0.32
0.95
0.00
0.56
0.00
0.00


23.92
21.59
14.33
17.54
19.18
1.39
0.35
0.27
0.49
0.00
0.00
0.94
0.00


22.34
23.53
17.24
9.60
20.89
3.06
1.34
1.03
0.89
0
0.09
0
0


23.09
24.55
16.27
10.92
20.39
2.32
0.54
1.23
0
0.19
0.51
0
0


20.97
24.47
16.94
10.56
21.37
2.06
0.61
0.19
2.37
0
0
0.28
0.18


22.78
19.44
20.39
13.23
18.73
2.33
0.87
0
0.34
1.14
0.28
0
0.47


22.28
24.97
16.62
9.45
22.27
1.94
0.66
0
0.78
0.22
0.69
0
0.12


25.92
25.89
16.38
4.18
21.46
4.00
0
0
1.55
0
0.61
0
0


20.10
24.69
21.20
10.77
20.09
0.90
1.15
0
0
0
0.99
0.12
0


23.68
20.24
18.62
11.63
22.44
1.85
0
0
0
0.99
0.55
0
0


23.26
22.34
20.65
12.51
17.45
2.06
1.03
0.05
0.51
0.00
0.00
0.00
0.15


20.45
23.47
21.57
10.51
19.54
0.61
0.00
0.00
2.14
0.75
0.88
0.06
0.00


23.19
22.39
17.70
8.96
20.02
3.71
0.87
0.00
1.54
1.62
0.00
0.00
0.00


23.19
22.39
17.70
8.96
20.02
3.71
0.87
0.00
1.54
1.62
0.00
0.00
0.00


21.90
22.46
18.39
13.49
19.27
2.48
0.00
0.29
0.73
0.62
0.00
0.37
0.00

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Yours look significantly more Southern, but I guess that's normal for a big town.

[Ion Basescul]

Why do Silistra Bulgarians have the highest East Med among samples from other regions?

3 out of 4 are part of the same family, so that's probably why. With a larger cohort, it might decrease.

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N_Atlantic
Baltic
West_Med
West_Asian
East_Med
Red_Sea
South_Asian
East_Asian
Siberian
Amerindian
Oceanian
NE_African
Sub-Saharan


23.47
22.84
16.26
10.25
23.10
1.31
1.44
0
1.33
0
0
0
0


21.80
23.33
16.34
9.73
24.15
2.45
0.56
1.02
0.10
0.48
0
0
0


17.41
25.65
17.19
11.04
24.64
1.23
2.11
0.00
0.05
0.00
0.68
0.00
0.00


25.13
21.93
18.06
7.93
20.74
3.16
1.72
0.00
1.33
0.00
0.00
0.00
0.00

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[Abriekman]

3 out of 4 are part of the same family, so that's probably why. With a larger cohort, it might decrease.

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N_Atlantic
Baltic
West_Med
West_Asian
East_Med
Red_Sea
South_Asian
East_Asian
Siberian
Amerindian
Oceanian
NE_African
Sub-Saharan


23.47
22.84
16.26
10.25
23.10
1.31
1.44
0
1.33
0
0
0
0


21.80
23.33
16.34
9.73
24.15
2.45
0.56
1.02
0.10
0.48
0
0
0


17.41
25.65
17.19
11.04
24.64
1.23
2.11
0.00
0.05
0.00
0.68
0.00
0.00


25.13
21.93
18.06
7.93
20.74
3.16
1.72
0.00
1.33
0.00
0.00
0.00
0.00

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I posted 23andme results of my Silistra Bulgarian match on 23andme results from Reddit thread, scores 15% Anatolian, while Bulgarians from other regions and even mainland Greeks have zero of it, what can it be?

[Ion Basescul]

I posted 23andme results of my Silistra Bulgarian match on 23andme results from Reddit thread, scores 15% Anatolian, while Bulgarians from other regions and even mainland Greeks have zero of it, what can it be?

If I were to guess then probably Turkish, since Northeastern Bulgaria forms the Turkish hotspot from what I recall.

[Abriekman]

If I were to guess then probably Turkish, since Northeastern Bulgaria forms the Turkish hotspot from what I recall.

But what is interesting he is not Muslim and has Bulgarian name, in this case my Anatolian can be Turkish too, if my ancestors are from same area

[Ion Basescul]

But what is interesting he is not Muslim and has Bulgarian name, in this case my Anatolian can be Turkish too, if my ancestors are from same area

If this is not the case of an assimilated Turkish family member, then perhaps 23andme is just wonky. Should have him try K13 if possible and compare to others from the area.

[Abriekman]

If this is not the case of an assimilated Turkish family member, then perhaps 23andme is just wonky. Should have him try K13 if possible and compare to others from the area.

23andme says his Anatolia ancestor was born in 1820-1880, is it possible, that Turks assimilate into Bulgarian nation, before Bulgarian independence or communism? All my Balkan matches I have except this from Silistra score 100% Balkan

[Thracian]

23andme says his Anatolia ancestor was born in 1820-1880, is it possible, that Turks assimilate into Bulgarian nation, before Bulgarian independence or communism? All my Balkan matches I have except this from Silistra score 100% Balkan

That doesn't need to be really a Turk from Bulgaria. 23andMe uses some Balkan populations among Anatolian references like Pomaks. That's why some people oddly get Anatolian.

[Abriekman]

That doesn't need to be really a Turk from Bulgaria. 23andMe uses some Balkan populations among Anatolian references like Pomaks. That's why some people oddly get Anatolian.

Where is it written? On 23andme website there is written they use Western Turks for that, you say people oddly get Anatolian according to one result, which can be correct and not false positive, I would agree if all Bulgarians, Albanians or Greeks had it

[Ion Basescul]

23andme says his Anatolia ancestor was born in 1820-1880, is it possible, that Turks assimilate into Bulgarian nation, before Bulgarian independence or communism? All my Balkan matches I have except this from Silistra score 100% Balkan

Who knows, I wouldn't interpret the timeline literally. I have only 7 matches, but they are more diverse than all scoring 100% Balkan.

1) T-CTS8512, Location in Bulgaria not specified

https://i.ibb.co/4YK5nJS/image.png

2) J-M241, Vratsa province

https://i.ibb.co/6sRq22c/image.png

3) L-M22, Location in Bulgaria not specified

https://i.ibb.co/gJBhq2Q/image.png

4) E-L791, Vratsa province

https://i.ibb.co/JcynbyY/image.png

5) E-M34, Location in Bulgaria not specified (looks like partial Roma/Gypsy ancestry)

https://i.ibb.co/S3r10qD/image.png

6) I-M423, 3/4 Vratsa, 1/4 Kyustendil

https://i.ibb.co/2kTzdbf/image.png

7) N/A, Location in Bulgaria not specified

https://i.ibb.co/DfcmXJp/image.png

[Abriekman]

Who knows, I wouldn't interpret the timeline literally. I have only 7 matches, but they are more diverse than all scoring 100% Balkan.

1) T-CTS8512, Location in Bulgaria not specified

https://i.ibb.co/4YK5nJS/image.png

2) J-M241, Vratsa province

https://i.ibb.co/6sRq22c/image.png

3) L-M22, Location in Bulgaria not specified

https://i.ibb.co/gJBhq2Q/image.png

4) E-L791, Vratsa province

https://i.ibb.co/JcynbyY/image.png

5) E-M34, Location in Bulgaria not specified (looks like partial Roma/Gypsy ancestry)

https://i.ibb.co/S3r10qD/image.png

6) I-M423, 3/4 Vratsa, 1/4 Kyustendil

https://i.ibb.co/2kTzdbf/image.png

7) N/A, Location in Bulgaria not specified

https://i.ibb.co/DfcmXJp/image.png

1 can have Romanian ancestry, Romanians have 0-4% Anatolian, because of Tatar settlements, it is not as high as 15%
2 is pure Bulgarian
3 is pure Bulgarian
4 is pure Bulgarian
5 has Roma herutage
6 is pure Bulgarian
7 is pure Bulgarian

Not higher, than 5%, those who get small amounts can have Romanian ancestry and they very likely have if you match them

[Ion Basescul]

1 can have Romanian ancestry, Romanians have 0-4% Anatolian, because of Tatar settlements, it is not as high as 15%
2 is pure Bulgarian
3 is pure Bulgarian
4 is pure Bulgarian
5 has Roma herutage
6 is pure Bulgarian
7 is pure Bulgarian

Not higher, than 5%, those who get small amounts can have Romanian ancestry and they very likely have if you match them

3/3 are from Vratsa and 2/3 specified the exact location, which is the town of Oryahovo. It seems to be on the Danube, so these could have some shared ancestry with Romanians. But could also be completely random. In any case, the point was that 100% Balkan-scoring Bulgarians is just your personal experience.

[Abriekman]

3/3 are from Vratsa and 2/3 specified the exact location, which is the town of Oryahovo. It seems to be on the Danube, so these could have some shared ancestry with Romanians. But could also be completely random. In any case, the point was that 100% Balkan-scoring Bulgarians is just your personal experience.

Does this 10% Eastern European or <1% SSA, Central Asian or Anatolian mean anything? We should keep in mind, that people who test very likely have some suspected or known distant or recent "foreign" ancestry.






Now compare with it





https://i.imgur.com/ve2p3DU.jpg

[Ion Basescul]

1 can have Romanian ancestry, Romanians have 0-4% Anatolian, because of Tatar settlements, it is not as high as 15%

You shouldn't compare v5.2 results from my 23andme thread to v5.9 results. All the Romanians from that thread don't score more than 0.5% on v5.9. Most score 0% and the average is probably at around 0.1%.

[Ion Basescul]

Does this 10% Eastern European or <1% SSA, Central Asian or Anatolian mean anything? We should keep in mind, that people who test very likely have some suspected or known distant or recent "foreign" ancestry.






Now compare with it





https://i.imgur.com/ve2p3DU.jpg

The surname is Turkish...

[Abriekman]

You shouldn't compare v5.2 results from my 23andme thread to v5.9 results. All the Romanians from that thread don't score more than 0.5% on v5.9. Most score 0% and the average is probably at around 0.1%.

I do not compare 5.2 results, in my matches Romanians still have 2-4% Anatolian in results, I can show if you want

[Ion Basescul]

I do not compare 5.2 results, in my matches Romanians still have 2-4% Anatolian in results, I can show if you want

Post in the 23andme thread for Romania.

[Abriekman]

The surname is Turkish...

I do not think his name is Turkish, surname ended Slavic suffix - ev

[Ion Basescul]

I do not think his name is Turkish, surname ended Slavic suffix - ev

Are you from the US? In Europe it's pretty normal for endings to change, depending on the assimilation trends of a given era/empire. That's why the root is the most important part and it is Turkish.
https://forebears.io/surnames/dede
https://forebears.io/surnames/dedeo%C4%9Flu
https://forebears.io/surnames/dedev

If that's not a surname, but a forename, then that still doesn't change anything. Such a forename doesn't even exist in Bulgaria, but there are thousands of individuals with it in Turkey.

https://forebears.io/forenames/dede

[Abriekman]

Are you from the US? In Europe it's pretty normal for endings to change, depending on the assimilation trends of a given era/empire. That's why the root is the most important part and it is Turkish.
https://forebears.io/surnames/dede
https://forebears.io/surnames/dedeo%C4%9Flu
https://forebears.io/surnames/dedev

If that's not a surname, but a forename, then that still doesn't change anything. Such a forename doesn't even exist in Bulgaria, but there are thousands of individuals with it in Turkey.

https://forebears.io/forenames/dede

I do not know if it is Turkish, but now I connected with him and his name is very Bulgarian, he is Dimitri. Anyway >5% Anatolian in Bulgarian person can be only Turkish admixture in my opinion, especially in Northern Bulgaria, however Bulgarians in Thrace can have some Anatolian, because of Greeks there

I am from Europe

[Abriekman]

Post in the 23andme thread for Romania.

I posted

[Ion Basescul]

I do not know if it is Turkish, but now I connected with him and his name is very Bulgarian, he is Dimitri. Anyway >5% Anatolian in Bulgarian person can be only Turkish admixture in my opinion, especially in Northern Bulgaria, however Bulgarians in Thrace can have some Anatolian, because of Greeks there

I am from Europe

The root of the surname isn't though. That's a classic case of assimilation.

[Abriekman]

The root of the surname isn't though. That's a classic case of assimilation.

I do not know what is Dede, surname or something else, because I connected with him and name is different, from what I saw before, surname is not Dedev, on forebears most popular in Bulgaria https://forebears.io/surnames/yanashev

[Ion Basescul]

I do not know what is Dede, surname or something else, because I connected with him and name is different, from what I saw before, surname is not Dedev, on forebears most popular in Bulgaria https://forebears.io/surnames/yanashev

You should be very skeptical about surnames that have so few people bearing it. It could be a new family, which was formed after someone renounced his original one.

[bained]

:D :D :D
You realize that dede means grandfather in both Turkish and Bulgarian right? A lot of family names are based on turkish professions, because bulgarians didnt have family names before the liberation. Hence you have plenty of arabadzjiev, merdjanov, dulgarski, lalovski, etc. which got the -ev/-ov/-ski ending. They are not turks in any regard and most of the time not related to each other. Other family names are based on the father name - hence you see plenty of Ivanov, Petrov, Nikolaev, Georgiev. The last group is based on some sort of appearance or behavior the ancestor had when the liberation happened + nicknames - Mishkov, Misirov, Barzev, Gegov etc. Yanashev is probably from a person with the name Ianasi or had the nickname "the knyaz". Lots of people change their family names now, because some of them feel embraced = mostly the nickname ones :D

[vbnetkhio]

This is the only information provided in the article:



The Greek members in Anthrogenica, together with Davidski, presumed that Rumelia samples are Greeks. But what I see here they can be random Plovdivians as well. If we are going to presume that these are the Greeks, their average when the individuals I mentioned as outliers are removed actually show a connection to the Northern Greek data we had.(Greece_Northeast as a reference)

If they are all indeed the Greeks, it shows recent colonization effort from the Southern Greece/Aegea, and somehow it preserved.(Individuals were quite old though.) In addition, it also shows some Bulgarians are absorbed among the Greek community.

If we are going to presume these are not Greeks and randomly collected, samples might be including half Sephardic Jewish individuals, Pomaks, Bulgarians, and Greeks.

I have a correction. They just listed the capital of each region, and Plovdiv is the "capital of East Rumelia" according to them.
the pointer on the map actually seems to land on Haskovo or something nearby , and not Plovdiv.

also, there were no Greeks in Plovdiv in the last 20 years, according to wikipedia.

so could these samples be the general population of Haskovo? or maybe Haskovo Greeks, if they exist?

[Ion Basescul]

I have a correction. They just listed the capital of each region, and Plovdiv is the "capital of East Rumelia" according to them.
the pointer on the map actually seems to land on Haskovo or something nearby , and not Plovdiv.

also, there were no Greeks in Plovdiv in the last 20 years, according to wikipedia.

so could these samples be the general population of Haskovo? or maybe Haskovo Greeks, if they exist?

It could be a random pointer. In one study with 32 Moldovan samples, the pointer landed in Northern Chisinau to Southern Straseni district, but after talking to the authors they said that all pointers for every country in their study were random middle points. The samples in this case were collected 150km to the North.

[vbnetkhio]

It could be a random pointer. In one study with 32 Moldovan samples, the pointer landed in Northern Chisinau to Southern Straseni district, but after talking to the authors they said that all pointers for every country in their study were random middle points. The samples in this case were collected 150km to the North.

here some pointers precisely mark the capital of the country or region, but there are also a few exceptions, the "East Rumelian" point is one of them.

https://i.imgur.com/cFP0Z9F.png

I doubt they would be so inconsistent and mark the capital for some regions, and for others a completely random point, it's not even the geographic midpoint of the region or anything.

[Ion Basescul]

here some pointers precisely mark the capital of the country or region, but there are also a few exceptions, the "East Rumelian" point is one of them.

https://i.imgur.com/cFP0Z9F.png

I doubt they would be so inconsistent and mark the capital for some regions, and for others a completely random point, it's not even the geographic midpoint of the region or anything.

Yes, this one is definitely from there. Not because of the position of the pointer, but because it says East Rumelia instead of Bulgaria.

[Kaspias]

I have a correction. They just listed the capital of each region, and Plovdiv is the "capital of East Rumelia" according to them.
the pointer on the map actually seems to land on Haskovo or something nearby , and not Plovdiv.

also, there were no Greeks in Plovdiv in the last 20 years, according to wikipedia.

so could these samples be the general population of Haskovo? or maybe Haskovo Greeks, if they exist?

Well, they are from Sliven then. The Greek community lives there.

I don't know why even they write Plovdiv there. I asked for details from the author, but he didn't reply.

[PAGANE]

[QUOTE = Abriekman; 7044823] Не знам какво е Деде, фамилия или нещо друго, защото се свързах с него и името е различно от това, което видях преди, фамилията не е Дедев, на най-популярните в България https: / /forebears.io/surnames/yanashev (https://forebears.io/surnames/yanashev) [/ QUOTE]

Dedev comes from the word Diado * grandfather* normal Bulgarian surname

[PAGANE]

Number of Greeks by district, according to the 2001 census
District Number
Total - 3408
Blagoevgrad- 86
Burgas- 125
Varna- 223
Veliko Tarnovo - 23
Vidin- 9
Vratsa- 24
Gabrovo- 47
Dobrich- 38
Kardzhali - 21
Kyustendil- 36
Lovech- 21
Montana- 24
Pazardzhik - 74
Pernik- 22
Pleven- 130
Plovdiv- 766
Razgrad -14
Ruse- 30
Silistra- 18
Sliven- 138
Smolyan- 13
Sofia- 18
Sofia- 1157
Stara Zagora- 190
Targovishte - 19
Haskovo- 78
Shumen- 37
Yambol- 27

The 2011 census gives a total of 1379 people who identified themselves as Greeks in Bulgaria.

[Seya]

It seems little to no difference between North Bungaria, South Bulgaria and South Romania. Except for the SE that might be slightly different but not by much.

[Kaspias]

Well, which one should be added to SS, the one merged with Greek Thrace, or two datasets separately? (GreeceNE is the current Greek_Thrace in K12b, and Greek_Northeast in Eurogenes K13 SS.)

Out of topic, Thracian Greeks and Thracian Bulgars are identical in K12b. The separation in Eurogenes K13 is the differentiation between Baltic and North Atlantic.


East_Rumelia,5.97,0.39,1.92,0.01,24.99,26.16,0.44, 0.10,8.43,0.30,31.22,0.07
Greek_Thrace,5.97,0.38,1.63,0.02,26.29,25.45,0.37, 0.05,8.83,0.23,30.73,0.04


East_Rumelia642,6.7,0,0.03,0,28.95,25.24,2.27,0,7. 7,0,29.13,0
East_Rumelia643,8.85,0.06,2.75,0.01,24.02,21.8,0.0 1,0,8.23,0,34.27,0
East_Rumelia644,4,1.91,3.37,0,22.29,31.09,0,0.12,6 .94,0,30.27,0
East_Rumelia645,3.83,0,0.19,0,26.46,30.74,0,1.04,7 .59,0,30.14,0
East_Rumelia646,6.73,0,2.52,0,19.98,23.85,0.6,0,11 .28,0.43,34.61,0
East_Rumelia647,6.47,0.33,2.64,0,25.07,32.59,0,0,6 .91,0.01,25.98,0
East_Rumelia648,5.68,0,2.89,0.02,28.44,30.46,0.04, 0,4.21,1.79,26.47,0
East_Rumelia649,4.54,0,2.05,0.1,26.56,26.28,1.82,0 ,8.06,0,30.07,0.52
East_Rumelia650,4.78,1.09,2.08,0.01,27.98,24.67,0, 0,9.02,0,30.37,0
East_Rumelia651,4.26,0.09,0.35,0,23.62,27.69,0,0,1 2.17,0.76,31.07,0
East_Rumelia652,8.48,0.66,3.15,0,21.14,18.91,0,0.0 1,10.58,0.62,36.19,0.24
East_Rumelia653,7.34,0.5,1.05,0,25.33,20.59,0.58,0 ,8.5,0,36.03,0.08

https://i.ibb.co/K0ybsVP/pca2.png
https://i.ibb.co/dkL5KjR/RUMLAR.png
https://i.ibb.co/hfd5xrm/comparison.png
https://i.ibb.co/fNzFYmz/pca1.png

[Ion Basescul]

Number of Greeks by district, according to the 2001 census
District Number
Total - 3408
Blagoevgrad- 86
Burgas- 125
Varna- 223
Veliko Tarnovo - 23
Vidin- 9
Vratsa- 24
Gabrovo- 47
Dobrich- 38
Kardzhali - 21
Kyustendil- 36
Lovech- 21
Montana- 24
Pazardzhik - 74
Pernik- 22
Pleven- 130
Plovdiv- 766
Razgrad -14
Ruse- 30
Silistra- 18
Sliven- 138
Smolyan- 13
Sofia- 18
Sofia- 1157
Stara Zagora- 190
Targovishte - 19
Haskovo- 78
Shumen- 37
Yambol- 27

The 2011 census gives a total of 1379 people who identified themselves as Greeks in Bulgaria.

Hmm, that's a very low number. Is it then fair to assume that chances are low that those Bulgarians that vbn shared are ethnically Greek?

[Ion Basescul]

It seems little to no difference between North Bungaria, South Bulgaria and South Romania. Except for the SE that might be slightly different but not by much.

In Bulgaria the differences are more pronounced from West to East, as opposed to North to South in Romania. People on both sides of the Danube are indeed very similar.

[Abriekman]

In Bulgaria the differences are more pronounced from West to East, as opposed to North to South in Romania. People on both sides of the Danube are indeed very similar.

What are genetic differences between Eastern part of Bulgaria and western part?

[Ion Basescul]

What are genetic differences between Eastern part of Bulgaria and western part?

You can see that in OP post..2nd table especially.

[PAGANE]

Hmm, that's a very low number. Is it then fair to assume that chances are low that those Bulgarians that vbn shared are ethnically Greek?
I have no answer to this question. I don't know what data he used and why you think they are Greeks, unless people have identified themselves ethnically as such. If these are data taken about the Bulgarian DNA project, then only ethnic Bulgarians are intentionally included there.

[Jana]

What are genetic differences between Eastern part of Bulgaria and western part?

Western Bulgarians are more Slavic/northern genetically. I think east Bulgaria had lot of Turks and Greeks historically, and was later re-settled with Bulgarians from Aegean Greece/Macedonia, who are more southern shifted.

[Abriekman]

Western Bulgarians are more Slavic/northern genetically. I think east Bulgaria had lot of Turks and Greeks historically, and was later re-settled with Bulgarians from Aegean Greece/Macedonia, who are more southern shifted.

I am interested how did Eastern Bulgarians look genetically before this resettlement, my Bulgarian ancestors leave Northeast Bulgaria in 1768, through mixing with each other saved this genetic and my Bulgarian ancestry is very southern on calculators

[Ion Basescul]

I am interested how did Eastern Bulgarians look genetically before this resettlement, my Bulgarian ancestors leave Northeast Bulgaria in 1768, through mixing with each other saved this genetic and my Bulgarian ancestry is very southern on calculators

We will need medieval to modern era samples to be able to objectively respond to this, but the ancient samples that were found on the Eastern side of Bulgaria were quite Southern genetically.

[vbnetkhio]

I am interested how did Eastern Bulgarians look genetically before this resettlement, my Bulgarian ancestors leave Northeast Bulgaria in 1768, through mixing with each other saved this genetic and my Bulgarian ancestry is very southern on calculators

Like Gagauz. because Gagauz are pure eastern Bulgarians by origins, they just changed their language.

Unless i'm missing out on something. Pagane will know better.

[vbnetkhio]

Hmm, that's a very low number. Is it then fair to assume that chances are low that those Bulgarians that vbn shared are ethnically Greek?

Davidski added them as Greeks to his sheet for some reason.

https://anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?22283-Additional-Modern-Greek-Averages

[Ion Basescul]

Davidski added them as Greeks to his sheet for some reason.

https://anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?22283-Additional-Modern-Greek-Averages

Maybe he knows something that we don't. I thought that he was discontinuing the sheet for moderns, did he change his mind?

[Ion Basescul]

Like Gagauz. because Gagauz are pure eastern Bulgarians by origins, they just changed their language.

Unless i'm missing out on something. Pagane will know better.

We have a study in Moldova from a Romanian traveller (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zamfir_Arbore), which is dated to 1904. He basically travelled to every locality in the current Republic of Moldova and beyond and documented the societal, economic and ethnic aspects. All Gagauz settlements are described as "Bulgarian colony".

[Abriekman]

We will need medieval to modern era samples to be able to objectively respond to this, but the ancient samples that were found on the Eastern side of Bulgaria were quite Southern genetically.

Could you name these ancient samples, that were found there and are they on G25?

[Ion Basescul]

Could you name these ancient samples, that were found there and are they on G25?

Yes, I was referring mainly to the Iron Age ones, of which there is only one, I5769. This sample was classified on the genetic forums as a Thracian.

https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/viewer?mid=1TYJrkLXUap0Ip-8EIeTH-uzN4V8&ll=42.68558767261456%2C25.68020503134351&z=8

[Abriekman]

Like Gagauz. because Gagauz are pure eastern Bulgarians by origins, they just changed their language.

Unless i'm missing out on something. Pagane will know better.

Thanks, I model with Gagauz much better, than with Bulgarians

Distance: 1.8135% / 0.01813532
Target: Abriekman_scaled
70.1 Ukrainian
14.6 Slovakian
8.6 Gagauz
6.7 Sephardic_Jew


Distance: 1.8030% / 0.01802964
Target: Abriekman_scaled
72.1 Ukrainian
12.9 Bulgarian
9.5 Slovakian
5.5 Sephardic_Jew

Maybe my Bulgarian ancestors were even more southern, than Gagauz, because I do not know how big my Jewish is, impossible to tell by matches, especially if it is Sephardic and then it confuses with it on G25

What is the reason why Gagauzes are more southern, than Bulgarians?

[vbnetkhio]

Thanks, I model with Gagauz much better, than with Bulgarians

Distance: 1.8135% / 0.01813532
Target: Cyryl_scaled
70.1 Ukrainian
14.6 Slovakian
8.6 Gagauz
6.7 Sephardic_Jew


Distance: 1.8030% / 0.01802964
Target: Cyryl_scaled
72.1 Ukrainian
12.9 Bulgarian
9.5 Slovakian
5.5 Sephardic_Jew

Maybe my Bulgarian ancestors were even more southern, than Gagauz, because I do not know how big my Jewish is, impossible to tell by matches, especially if it is Sephardic and then it confuses with it on G25

What is the reason why Gagauzes are more southern, than Bulgarians?
They are a little bit more southern than the average Bulgarian, but they are very similar to East Bulgarians.

[PAGANE]

In Medieval Bulgaria there was also mixing, starting with the greatest mixing of Bulgarians and Slavs, which in practice creates the current image of the Bulgarian people, going through mixing with the old local Balkan population, Byzantine population / including Greeks, Armenians and Syrians /, and also the assimilation of later Turkic populations (such as Uzi, Cumans and Pechenegs) and to a lesser extent Genoese and Venetians / mainly in coastal cities /. This is a general situation until the beginning of the 15-16 century. With the conquest of the Balkans by the Ottoman Turks and for the next 5 centuries migration processes began - internal displacements of the Christian population within the Ottoman Empire / voluntary or forced / and external / import of Asia Minor in the Balkans and flight of the Bulgarian population abroad. of the empire or escape to its peripheral parts, where the pressure of power was weaker - it was in the northwest / today territories of Serbia, Croatia, Hungary, Austria /, north / Wallachia / and northeast / today's Moldova and Ukraine /

[PAGANE]

Perhaps the closest are the Bulgarians from Bessarabia, because they have lived there compactly for more than 200 years in the villages and have not mixed with other ethnic groups there even during the Soviet Union. Mixing has begun to occur in the last 30-40 years

[Abriekman]

Perhaps the closest are the Bulgarians from Bessarabia, because they have lived there compactly for more than 200 years in the villages and have not mixed with other ethnic groups there even during the Soviet Union. Mixing has begun to occur in the last 30-40 years

In Bessarabia there were also some Bulgarians from Western part of Bulgaria. Part of my ancestors and those Bulgarians who live in Olshanka, Ukraine are the purest Northeastern Bulgarians.
Between have you seen Gedmatch Bulgarian results from Bessarabia? I have never seen, but I am very interested

[PAGANE]

[QUOTE = Abriekman; 7048648] В Бесарабия също имаше българи от западната част на България. Част от моите предци и онези българи, които живеят в Олшанка, Украйна, са най-чистите североизточни българи.
Между тях виждали ли сте резултати от Gedmatch за България от Бесарабия? Никога не съм виждал, но ми е много интересно [/ QUOTE]
Of course, there are Bulgarians from all over the Bulgarian ethnic land, which in the time of the Ottoman Empire was far beyond today's borders of Bulgaria. No, I haven't seen it, but it will be interesting to me too. Logically, they should be very identical to those of the Gagauz in Bessarabia, because they are also refugees from northeastern Bulgaria

[Ion Basescul]

In Bessarabia there were also some Bulgarians from Western part of Bulgaria. Part of my ancestors and those Bulgarians who live in Olshanka, Ukraine are the purest Northeastern Bulgarians.
Between have you seen Gedmatch Bulgarian results from Bessarabia? I have never seen, but I am very interested

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Baltic
West_Med
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22.13
22.19
17.51
12.44
19.22
4.36
0.31
0
1.73
0
0.13
0
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24.47
17.09
19.61
13.66
17.82
2.93
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First was donated to me by Leto, second one is from Cantemir district.

[PAGANE]

The Bulgarians of Asia Minor, the Asia Minors or also known as Anatolian Bulgarians are a Bulgarian ethnographic group, which was formed mainly as a result of the migration of Bulgarians in the period between 16 - 19 century in Northwest Asia Minor in the area between the cities of Canakkale and Bursa. -later, in 1914, they completely emigrated to Bulgaria. The existence of Bulgarian villages in Anatolia was noted by western travelers such as the Italian Dr Salvatori (1807), the Frenchman J.M. Tancoigne and the Briton George Keppel (1829). Tancoigne describes his experience in Kız-Dervent (located farther east, between İzmit and İznik) as follows:
We were pleasantly surprised by finding in that village women who would walk with their faces uncovered, and men whose manners contradicted the Asian ones entirely. We also discovered dresses of the residents of the Danube's banks and heard a Slavic language in an area where we would regard it as absolutely foreign ... The locals told us they were of Bulgarian origin and their village had been founded almost a century ago by their fathers ... The residents of that village are Christians, Eastern Orthodox. The information about the time of the resettlement and about the Bulgarian districts and settlements from which they came is contradictory. There is unanimity about the reasons why these Bulgarians left their native lands and came to Asia Minor - religious persecution, violence by local Ottoman authorities, Kurds, Dahlians and other bandits and robbers, the search for a calmer life and security. , job search and better livelihood The 16th, 17th and 18th centuries, the first and the second half of the 19th century, until the Liberation of Bulgaria date back to the time of the resettlement and founding of the Bulgarian villages in Northwestern Anatolia. According to the available information, most of the Bulgarian villages in Asia Minor are migrants mainly from Chirpan, Stara Zagora, Yambol in present-day Bulgaria, from the Eastern Rhodopes and from the Kostur region / today in Greece /. established by virtue of the Treaty of Berlin of July 1878 and settled in the region of Varna, Provadia, Novi Pazar, Karnobat and Svishtov. Towards the end of 1913, the property was exchanged with Turks or with entire Turkish villages wishing to emigrate to Turkey. The emigration campaign lasted 3 months, so not a single Bulgarian remained in the Bulgarian villages in Asia Minor. Surrounded by numerous Greek and Turkish villages, Bulgarians were forced to adapt and learn the languages ​​of the majority. According to the memories of the older descendants of Asia Minor, almost all young and old settlers from Anatolia spoke Greek and Turkish, although many of them were illiterate. Many of those who can write and read in Bulgarian are self-taught. These are the reasons why the new words entering the Asia Minor Bulgarian language are mainly of Turkish and Greek origin.

[Abriekman]

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Baltic
West_Med
West_Asian
East_Med
Red_Sea
South_Asian
East_Asian
Siberian
Amerindian
Oceanian
NE_African
Sub-Saharan


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24.47
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First was donated to me by Leto, second one is from Cantemir district.

I checked, both samples are the closest to Bulgaria_Northeastern, do they have G25 to see distance to Gagauz? Or could you send results on K15, because there are no Gagauz samples in K13 spreadsheet

[Abriekman]

[QUOTE = Abriekman; 7048648] В Бесарабия също имаше българи от западната част на България. Част от моите предци и онези българи, които живеят в Олшанка, Украйна, са най-чистите североизточни българи.
Между тях виждали ли сте резултати от Gedmatch за България от Бесарабия? Никога не съм виждал, но ми е много интересно [/ QUOTE]
Of course, there are Bulgarians from all over the Bulgarian ethnic land, which in the time of the Ottoman Empire was far beyond today's borders of Bulgaria. No, I haven't seen it, but it will be interesting to me too. Logically, they should be very identical to those of the Gagauz in Bessarabia, because they are also refugees from northeastern Bulgaria

So, the difference between Bulgarians and Gagauzes, old Northeastern Bulgarians and modern Bulgarians in Ukraine is they have additional Greek-like admixture, Caucasus-like admixture and little Turkic


Distance: 0.7961% / 0.00796093
Target: Gagauz | ADC: 0.5x RC
64.4 Bulgarian
25.7 Greek_Macedonia
6.0 North_Ossetian
3.9 Turkish_Deliorman


If we delete Caucasus populations

Distance: 0.9357% / 0.00935745
Target: Gagauz
53.5 Bulgarian
28.3 Greek_Macedonia
16.6 Turkish_Deliorman
1.6 Greek_Cappadocia


If we delete Balkan Turkish

Distance: 1.0894% / 0.01089350
Target: Gagauz
83.4 Bulgarian
8.4 Greek_Cappadocia
8.2 Greek_Macedonia



Was there increased Byzantine admixture in northeast Bulgaria?

[Ion Basescul]

I checked, both samples are the closest to Bulgaria_Northeastern, do they have G25 to see distance to Gagauz? Or could you send results on K15, because there are no Gagauz samples in K13 spreadsheet

There are, Moldova_South_Gagauzia, which is made of 23 samples.


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Distance to:
Moldova_Bulgarian


2.46406169
Bulgaria_Northeastern


3.15368039
Bulgaria_average


3.19687347
Bulgaria_Southcentral


3.32293545
Bulgaria_Southwestern


3.40236682
Bulgaria_Northcentral


3.55095762
Bulgaria_Southeastern


3.68153501
Romania_Muntenia


3.97450626
Romania_Wallachia


3.99793697
Romania_Dobruja


4.09130786
Moldova_South_Gagauzia


4.09300623
MACEDONIAN_AVERAGE


4.23622568
Macednia_north


4.40690367
Moldova_South


4.42658023
Macedonia_south


4.69158822
Vlach(Aromanian)_average


4.72947143
Pomak_Bulgaria


4.88727941
Romania_Oltenia


4.90154057
Romania_Banat


5.10590834
Bosniak_Sandzak


5.21186147
Bulgaria_Northwestern


5.52202861
Montenegrin


5.53272085
Romania_average


5.93149222
Pomak_Greece


6.08654253
Romania_Transylvania


6.58386665
Serb_south


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Distance to:
Moldova_Bulgarian_Cantemir


6.77896010
Bulgaria_Northeastern


6.94455272
Macedonia_south


7.19737452
Albanian_Gheg


7.27167106
MACEDONIAN_AVERAGE


7.27420099
Greek_Eastern-Macedonia


7.37177726
Vlach(Aromanian)_average


7.39418691
Bulgaria_Southeastern


7.55371882
Macednia_north


7.88000635
Albanian


8.03799726
Bulgaria_Southwestern


8.26248752
Moldova_South_Gagauzia


8.28590369
Torbesh_average


8.29382903
Greek_Northeast


8.31171613
Greek_Thessaly


8.31691650
Greek_West_Macedonia


8.49862342
Bulgaria_average


8.51502789
Bulgaria_Southcentral


8.66594484
Bosniak_Sandzak


8.68726079
Turk_Makedonya


8.90763717
Romania_Muntenia


8.93001680
Romania_Wallachia


9.00528734
Bulgaria_Northcentral


9.02622845
Romania_Oltenia


9.16254332
Romania_Dobruja


9.45293605
Albanian_Tosk


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Against only Bulgarians and Gagauz


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Distance to:
Moldova_Bulgarian


2.34882950
Bulgaria_Northcentral_1_Gabrovo


2.69406756
Bulgaria_Southcentral_26_Plovdiv


2.87313418
Bulgaria_Northcentral_3_Gabrovo


2.89996552
Bulgaria_Southwestern_31_Sofia_city


3.03502883
Bulgaria_Southeastern_1_StaraZagora


3.10784491
Moldova_mixed_40_Gagauz


3.14699857
Bulgaria_Northeastern_5_Dobrich


3.68294719
Bulgaria_Southeastern_5_Sliven


3.96402573
Bulgaria_Southwestern_15_Sofia


3.98162027
Bulgaria_Southwestern_14_Sofia


3.98426907
Moldova_mixed_30_Gagauz


3.98636426
Moldova_mixed_46_Gagauz


4.00191204
Bulgaria_Southeastern_4_StaraZagora


4.03920784
Bulgaria_Southwestern_5_Sofia


4.03995049
Bulgaria_Southwestern_23_Sofia_city


4.12499697
Bulgaria_Southwestern_29_Sofia_city


4.15765559
Bulgaria_Southcentral_14_Plovdiv


4.16696532
Bulgaria_Southcentral_24_Plovdiv


4.16696532
Bulgaria_Southcentral_25_Plovdiv


4.25210536
Bulgaria_Southeastern_3_StaraZagora


4.30935030
Bulgaria_Northeastern_8_Varna


4.36693256
Bulgaria_Northcentral_9_VelikoTarnovo


4.47642715
Bulgaria_Southcentral_32_Kardzhali


4.51136343
Bulgaria_Southeastern_2_StaraZagora


4.52520718
Bulgaria_Northwestern_20_Pleven


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Distance to:
Moldova_Bulgarian_Cantemir


3.72106168
Bulgaria_Southcentral_17_Plovdiv


5.13204638
Bulgaria_Southcentral_11_Plovdiv


5.25332276
Bulgaria_Southwestern_3_Blagoevgrad


5.27166008
Bulgaria_Southeastern_5_Sliven


5.34273338
Bulgaria_Northeastern_4_Dobrich


5.39603558
Bulgaria_Northeastern_9_Varna


5.39603558
Bulgaria_Northcentral_4_VelikoTarnovo


5.49960908
Bulgaria_Northeastern_5_Dobrich


5.77618386
Bulgaria_Southcentral_12_Plovdiv


5.87042588
Bulgaria_Southeastern_3_StaraZagora


5.89608345
Bulgaria_Northcentral_3_Gabrovo


5.96885249
Bulgaria_Southcentral_22_Plovdiv


6.15671991
Bulgaria_Southcentral_9_Plovdiv


6.16983792
Bulgaria_Southcentral_32_Kardzhali


6.30836746
Bulgaria_Southwestern_31_Sofia_city


6.33160327
Bulgaria_Northwestern_23_Pleven


6.33570833
Moldova_mixed_44_Gagauz


6.39990625
Bulgaria_Southeastern_4_StaraZagora


6.44183980
Bulgaria_Southcentral_33_Haskovo


6.76957163
Bulgaria_Southcentral_21_Plovdiv


6.80966960
Bulgaria_Southwestern_15_Sofia


6.82162004
Bulgaria_Southcentral_26_Plovdiv


6.91123723
Bulgaria_Southwestern_14_Sofia


6.95159694
Bulgaria_Southwestern_19_Sofia_city


7.07311106
Bulgaria_Southeastern_2_StaraZagora


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[Abriekman]

There are, Moldova_South_Gagauzia, which is made of 23 samples.


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Distance to:
Moldova_Bulgarian


2.46406169
Bulgaria_Northeastern


3.15368039
Bulgaria_average


3.19687347
Bulgaria_Southcentral


3.32293545
Bulgaria_Southwestern


3.40236682
Bulgaria_Northcentral


3.55095762
Bulgaria_Southeastern


3.68153501
Romania_Muntenia


3.97450626
Romania_Wallachia


3.99793697
Romania_Dobruja


4.09130786
Moldova_South_Gagauzia


4.09300623
MACEDONIAN_AVERAGE


4.23622568
Macednia_north


4.40690367
Moldova_South


4.42658023
Macedonia_south


4.69158822
Vlach(Aromanian)_average


4.72947143
Pomak_Bulgaria


4.88727941
Romania_Oltenia


4.90154057
Romania_Banat


5.10590834
Bosniak_Sandzak


5.21186147
Bulgaria_Northwestern


5.52202861
Montenegrin


5.53272085
Romania_average


5.93149222
Pomak_Greece


6.08654253
Romania_Transylvania


6.58386665
Serb_south


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Distance to:
Moldova_Bulgarian_Cantemir


6.77896010
Bulgaria_Northeastern


6.94455272
Macedonia_south


7.19737452
Albanian_Gheg


7.27167106
MACEDONIAN_AVERAGE


7.27420099
Greek_Eastern-Macedonia


7.37177726
Vlach(Aromanian)_average


7.39418691
Bulgaria_Southeastern


7.55371882
Macednia_north


7.88000635
Albanian


8.03799726
Bulgaria_Southwestern


8.26248752
Moldova_South_Gagauzia


8.28590369
Torbesh_average


8.29382903
Greek_Northeast


8.31171613
Greek_Thessaly


8.31691650
Greek_West_Macedonia


8.49862342
Bulgaria_average


8.51502789
Bulgaria_Southcentral


8.66594484
Bosniak_Sandzak


8.68726079
Turk_Makedonya


8.90763717
Romania_Muntenia


8.93001680
Romania_Wallachia


9.00528734
Bulgaria_Northcentral


9.02622845
Romania_Oltenia


9.16254332
Romania_Dobruja


9.45293605
Albanian_Tosk


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Against only Bulgarians and Gagauz


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Distance to:
Moldova_Bulgarian


2.34882950
Bulgaria_Northcentral_1_Gabrovo


2.69406756
Bulgaria_Southcentral_26_Plovdiv


2.87313418
Bulgaria_Northcentral_3_Gabrovo


2.89996552
Bulgaria_Southwestern_31_Sofia_city


3.03502883
Bulgaria_Southeastern_1_StaraZagora


3.10784491
Moldova_mixed_40_Gagauz


3.14699857
Bulgaria_Northeastern_5_Dobrich


3.68294719
Bulgaria_Southeastern_5_Sliven


3.96402573
Bulgaria_Southwestern_15_Sofia


3.98162027
Bulgaria_Southwestern_14_Sofia


3.98426907
Moldova_mixed_30_Gagauz


3.98636426
Moldova_mixed_46_Gagauz


4.00191204
Bulgaria_Southeastern_4_StaraZagora


4.03920784
Bulgaria_Southwestern_5_Sofia


4.03995049
Bulgaria_Southwestern_23_Sofia_city


4.12499697
Bulgaria_Southwestern_29_Sofia_city


4.15765559
Bulgaria_Southcentral_14_Plovdiv


4.16696532
Bulgaria_Southcentral_24_Plovdiv


4.16696532
Bulgaria_Southcentral_25_Plovdiv


4.25210536
Bulgaria_Southeastern_3_StaraZagora


4.30935030
Bulgaria_Northeastern_8_Varna


4.36693256
Bulgaria_Northcentral_9_VelikoTarnovo


4.47642715
Bulgaria_Southcentral_32_Kardzhali


4.51136343
Bulgaria_Southeastern_2_StaraZagora


4.52520718
Bulgaria_Northwestern_20_Pleven


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Distance to:
Moldova_Bulgarian_Cantemir


3.72106168
Bulgaria_Southcentral_17_Plovdiv


5.13204638
Bulgaria_Southcentral_11_Plovdiv


5.25332276
Bulgaria_Southwestern_3_Blagoevgrad


5.27166008
Bulgaria_Southeastern_5_Sliven


5.34273338
Bulgaria_Northeastern_4_Dobrich


5.39603558
Bulgaria_Northeastern_9_Varna


5.39603558
Bulgaria_Northcentral_4_VelikoTarnovo


5.49960908
Bulgaria_Northeastern_5_Dobrich


5.77618386
Bulgaria_Southcentral_12_Plovdiv


5.87042588
Bulgaria_Southeastern_3_StaraZagora


5.89608345
Bulgaria_Northcentral_3_Gabrovo


5.96885249
Bulgaria_Southcentral_22_Plovdiv


6.15671991
Bulgaria_Southcentral_9_Plovdiv


6.16983792
Bulgaria_Southcentral_32_Kardzhali


6.30836746
Bulgaria_Southwestern_31_Sofia_city


6.33160327
Bulgaria_Northwestern_23_Pleven


6.33570833
Moldova_mixed_44_Gagauz


6.39990625
Bulgaria_Southeastern_4_StaraZagora


6.44183980
Bulgaria_Southcentral_33_Haskovo


6.76957163
Bulgaria_Southcentral_21_Plovdiv


6.80966960
Bulgaria_Southwestern_15_Sofia


6.82162004
Bulgaria_Southcentral_26_Plovdiv


6.91123723
Bulgaria_Southwestern_14_Sofia


6.95159694
Bulgaria_Southwestern_19_Sofia_city


7.07311106
Bulgaria_Southeastern_2_StaraZagora


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They are different, yes there were Bulgarian refugees to Bessarabia from all regions of Bulgaria

[PAGANE]

[QUOTE = Abriekman; 7048689] И така, разликата между българите и гагаузите, старите североизточни българи и съвременните българи в Украйна е, че те имат допълнителна


гръцкоподобна примес, кавказко примес и малко тюркско разстояние: 0.7961% / 0.00796093
Цел: гагауз | ADC: 0.5x RC
64.4 български
25.7 Greek_Macedonia
6.0 North_Ossetian
3.9 Turkish_Deliorman


Ако изтриете Кавказ население

Разстояние: 0.9357 процента / 0.00935745
Цел: гагаузи
53.5 български
28.3 Greek_Macedonia
16.6 Turkish_Deliorman
1.6 Greek_Cappadocia


Ако изтриете Балкан турски

Разстояние: 1.0894% / 0.01089350
Цел: гагаузи
83.4 български
8.4 гръцка_кападокия
8.2 гръцка_македония Има



ли повишена византийска примес в североизточна България?

Varna had a compact Greek population

[Lioncourt]

Western Bulgarians are more Slavic/northern genetically. I think east Bulgaria had lot of Turks and Greeks historically, and was later re-settled with Bulgarians from Aegean Greece/Macedonia, who are more southern shifted.

The last sentence is only valid for the Black sea coast. There were no Greeks inland, most Turks have stayed, while Bulgarians from Aegean, Vardar Macedonia and Southern Thrace resettled all over the country. In Plovdiv there is a whole Macedonian neighborhood, in Sofia about half of old "stolichani" have at least partial Macedonian ancestry.

[Lioncourt]

also, there were no Greeks in Plovdiv in the last 20 years, according to wikipedia.

I don't know any native Greeks in Plovdiv, they all left long time ago. The only Greeks today are students, businessmen, or somebody married to a Bulgarian woman.

[Lioncourt]

If I were to guess then probably Turkish, since Northeastern Bulgaria forms the Turkish hotspot from what I recall.

The town of Silistra doesn't have many Turks - 10% officially. In addition it makes no sense to test ethnic Turks and include them in the Bulgarian sample, Turks from Bulgaria have their own sample sheet.

[Abriekman]

The town of Silistra doesn't have many Turks - 10% officially. In addition it makes no sense to test ethnic Turks and include them in the Bulgarian sample, Turks from Bulgaria have their own sample sheet.

Wikipedia says 40%

[Leto]

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Baltic
West_Med
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Siberian
Amerindian
Oceanian
NE_African
Sub-Saharan


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First was donated to me by Leto, second one is from Cantemir district.
From Crimea?
I also posted this one, originally from Odessa oblast

North_Atlantic 19.87 Pct
Baltic 21.14 Pct
West_Med 16.90 Pct
West_Asian 13.54 Pct
East_Med 23.31 Pct
Red_Sea 2.10 Pct
South_Asian 1.79 Pct
East_Asian 0.80 Pct
Siberian 0.13 Pct
Amerindian -
Oceanian 0.32 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 0.10 Pct

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Bulgarian 4.74
2 Greek_Thessaly 6.26
3 Romanian 7.11
4 Serbian 11.33
5 Central_Greek 12.38
6 Italian_Abruzzo 12.63
7 East_Sicilian 13.79
8 Tuscan 14.16
9 West_Sicilian 14.49
10 Ashkenazi 15.15
11 Moldavian 16.55
12 North_Italian 16.73
13 South_Italian 16.8
14 Hungarian 19.39
15 Croatian 19.65
16 Austrian 22.07
17 Sephardic_Jewish 22.2
18 Italian_Jewish 22.2
19 Algerian_Jewish 22.28
20 Portuguese 23.61

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 88.4% Bulgarian + 11.6% Iranian_Jewish @ 1.61
2 88.1% Bulgarian + 11.9% Lebanese_Druze @ 1.76
3 88.7% Bulgarian + 11.3% Kurdish_Jewish @ 1.78
4 88.2% Bulgarian + 11.8% Assyrian @ 1.85
5 86.9% Bulgarian + 13.1% Lebanese_Muslim @ 1.93
6 88.9% Bulgarian + 11.1% Lebanese_Christian @ 2.1
7 86.4% Bulgarian + 13.6% Cyprian @ 2.17
8 87.5% Bulgarian + 12.5% Syrian @ 2.19
9 64% South_Italian + 36% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.22
10 88.8% Bulgarian + 11.2% Georgian_Jewish @ 2.23
11 70.8% Central_Greek + 29.2% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.29
12 88.9% Bulgarian + 11.1% Samaritan @ 2.3
13 89.1% Bulgarian + 10.9% Armenian @ 2.32
14 86% Bulgarian + 14% Turkish @ 2.39
15 83% Romanian + 17% Lebanese_Druze @ 2.39
16 80% Romanian + 20% Cyprian @ 2.39
17 70.8% Central_Greek + 29.2% Southwest_Russian @ 2.43
18 89% Bulgarian + 11% Palestinian @ 2.44
19 83.5% Romanian + 16.5% Lebanese_Christian @ 2.47
20 83.5% Romanian + 16.5% Iranian_Jewish @ 2.48

[Abriekman]

From Crimea?
I also posted this one, originally from Odessa oblast

North_Atlantic 19.87 Pct
Baltic 21.14 Pct
West_Med 16.90 Pct
West_Asian 13.54 Pct
East_Med 23.31 Pct
Red_Sea 2.10 Pct
South_Asian 1.79 Pct
East_Asian 0.80 Pct
Siberian 0.13 Pct
Amerindian -
Oceanian 0.32 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 0.10 Pct

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Bulgarian 4.74
2 Greek_Thessaly 6.26
3 Romanian 7.11
4 Serbian 11.33
5 Central_Greek 12.38
6 Italian_Abruzzo 12.63
7 East_Sicilian 13.79
8 Tuscan 14.16
9 West_Sicilian 14.49
10 Ashkenazi 15.15
11 Moldavian 16.55
12 North_Italian 16.73
13 South_Italian 16.8
14 Hungarian 19.39
15 Croatian 19.65
16 Austrian 22.07
17 Sephardic_Jewish 22.2
18 Italian_Jewish 22.2
19 Algerian_Jewish 22.28
20 Portuguese 23.61

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 88.4% Bulgarian + 11.6% Iranian_Jewish @ 1.61
2 88.1% Bulgarian + 11.9% Lebanese_Druze @ 1.76
3 88.7% Bulgarian + 11.3% Kurdish_Jewish @ 1.78
4 88.2% Bulgarian + 11.8% Assyrian @ 1.85
5 86.9% Bulgarian + 13.1% Lebanese_Muslim @ 1.93
6 88.9% Bulgarian + 11.1% Lebanese_Christian @ 2.1
7 86.4% Bulgarian + 13.6% Cyprian @ 2.17
8 87.5% Bulgarian + 12.5% Syrian @ 2.19
9 64% South_Italian + 36% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.22
10 88.8% Bulgarian + 11.2% Georgian_Jewish @ 2.23
11 70.8% Central_Greek + 29.2% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.29
12 88.9% Bulgarian + 11.1% Samaritan @ 2.3
13 89.1% Bulgarian + 10.9% Armenian @ 2.32
14 86% Bulgarian + 14% Turkish @ 2.39
15 83% Romanian + 17% Lebanese_Druze @ 2.39
16 80% Romanian + 20% Cyprian @ 2.39
17 70.8% Central_Greek + 29.2% Southwest_Russian @ 2.43
18 89% Bulgarian + 11% Palestinian @ 2.44
19 83.5% Romanian + 16.5% Lebanese_Christian @ 2.47
20 83.5% Romanian + 16.5% Iranian_Jewish @ 2.48

Increased West Asian for some reason, just like I have and I do not know what is reason of it, very likely from Bulgarian side

[Leto]

Increased West Asian for some reason, just like I have and I do not know what is reason of it, very likely from Bulgarian side
That person is more Southern than some Macedonians. He's an old retired Orthodox priest actually. His grandkids are 3/4 Russian, pretty much assimilated.

[Ion Basescul]

Wikipedia says 40%

10%
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silistra#Population

[Abriekman]

10%
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silistra#Population

Then I mistake, there is 40% in all province, not in city
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silistra_Province

[Ion Basescul]

From Crimea?
I also posted this one, originally from Odessa oblast

North_Atlantic 19.87 Pct
Baltic 21.14 Pct
West_Med 16.90 Pct
West_Asian 13.54 Pct
East_Med 23.31 Pct
Red_Sea 2.10 Pct
South_Asian 1.79 Pct
East_Asian 0.80 Pct
Siberian 0.13 Pct
Amerindian -
Oceanian 0.32 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 0.10 Pct

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Bulgarian 4.74
2 Greek_Thessaly 6.26
3 Romanian 7.11
4 Serbian 11.33
5 Central_Greek 12.38
6 Italian_Abruzzo 12.63
7 East_Sicilian 13.79
8 Tuscan 14.16
9 West_Sicilian 14.49
10 Ashkenazi 15.15
11 Moldavian 16.55
12 North_Italian 16.73
13 South_Italian 16.8
14 Hungarian 19.39
15 Croatian 19.65
16 Austrian 22.07
17 Sephardic_Jewish 22.2
18 Italian_Jewish 22.2
19 Algerian_Jewish 22.28
20 Portuguese 23.61

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 88.4% Bulgarian + 11.6% Iranian_Jewish @ 1.61
2 88.1% Bulgarian + 11.9% Lebanese_Druze @ 1.76
3 88.7% Bulgarian + 11.3% Kurdish_Jewish @ 1.78
4 88.2% Bulgarian + 11.8% Assyrian @ 1.85
5 86.9% Bulgarian + 13.1% Lebanese_Muslim @ 1.93
6 88.9% Bulgarian + 11.1% Lebanese_Christian @ 2.1
7 86.4% Bulgarian + 13.6% Cyprian @ 2.17
8 87.5% Bulgarian + 12.5% Syrian @ 2.19
9 64% South_Italian + 36% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.22
10 88.8% Bulgarian + 11.2% Georgian_Jewish @ 2.23
11 70.8% Central_Greek + 29.2% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.29
12 88.9% Bulgarian + 11.1% Samaritan @ 2.3
13 89.1% Bulgarian + 10.9% Armenian @ 2.32
14 86% Bulgarian + 14% Turkish @ 2.39
15 83% Romanian + 17% Lebanese_Druze @ 2.39
16 80% Romanian + 20% Cyprian @ 2.39
17 70.8% Central_Greek + 29.2% Southwest_Russian @ 2.43
18 89% Bulgarian + 11% Palestinian @ 2.44
19 83.5% Romanian + 16.5% Lebanese_Christian @ 2.47
20 83.5% Romanian + 16.5% Iranian_Jewish @ 2.48

You said Bessarabian Bulgarian, so I doubt that person is from Crimea. Or maybe you just misread Cantemir, which is a district in Moldova, as Crimea. That refers to the guy that I found myself, the second sample with elevated North Atlantic.

[Abriekman]

I know one Bulgarian from Crimea, his results

1 East_Med 26.36
2 North_Atlantic 21.72
3 Baltic 19.41
4 West_Med 15.09
5 West_Asian 13.81
6 Red_Sea 2.75
7 East_Asian 0.52
8 Amerindian 0.34

Distance: 289.6746% / 2.89674640
Target: CrimeanBulgarian | ADC: 1x RC
71.0 Turk_Thessaloniki
29.0 Pomak_Central-Macedonia

Distance: 252.2454% / 2.52245361
Target: CrimeanBulgarian | ADC: 0.5x RC
54.1 Turk_Thessaloniki
29.4 Pomak_Central-Macedonia
16.5 Greek_Istanbul

Distance: 184.4178% / 1.84417820
Target: CrimeanBulgarian | ADC: 0.25x RC
59.5 Turk_Thessaloniki
15.1 Pomak_Central-Macedonia
10.2 Lebanese_Druze
9.9 North_German
5.3 Greek_Istanbul


He is getting Turk populations, he can be admixed with Crimean Tatars and then it thinks Tatar + Bulgarian = Balkan Turk, or maybe just increased Proto-Bulgar

[Ion Basescul]

I know one Bulgarian from Crimea, his results

1 East_Med 26.36
2 North_Atlantic 21.72
3 Baltic 19.41
4 West_Med 15.09
5 West_Asian 13.81
6 Red_Sea 2.75
7 East_Asian 0.52
8 Amerindian 0.34

Distance: 289.6746% / 2.89674640
Target: CrimeanBulgarian | ADC: 1x RC
71.0 Turk_Thessaloniki
29.0 Pomak_Central-Macedonia

Distance: 252.2454% / 2.52245361
Target: CrimeanBulgarian | ADC: 0.5x RC
54.1 Turk_Thessaloniki
29.4 Pomak_Central-Macedonia
16.5 Greek_Istanbul

Distance: 184.4178% / 1.84417820
Target: CrimeanBulgarian | ADC: 0.25x RC
59.5 Turk_Thessaloniki
15.1 Pomak_Central-Macedonia
10.2 Lebanese_Druze
9.9 North_German
5.3 Greek_Istanbul


He is getting Turk populations, he can be admixed with Crimean Tatars and then it thinks Tatar + Bulgarian = Balkan Turk, or maybe just increased Proto-Bulgar

He gets Turks because of higher East Med, but he doesn't seem to have Turkic ancestry there.

[Ion Basescul]

I also posted this one, originally from Odessa oblast


Thanks, I'll add them, since I have only 2 anyway and I suspect that the unmixed Bulgarians are basically identical anyway in both countries. Now that I have more samples, it does indeed seem that they are identical to Gagauz people genetically, or shall I say the other way around.

Bulgarians


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<tbody>
N_Atlantic
Baltic
West_Med
West_Asian
East_Med
Red_Sea
South_Asian
East_Asian
Siberian
Amerindian
Oceanian
NE_African
Sub-Saharan


22.13
22.19
17.51
12.44
19.22
4.36
0.31
0
1.73
0
0.13
0
0


24.47
17.09
19.61
13.66
17.82
2.93
2.64
0
0.69
0.81
0.14
0
0.15


19.87
21.14
16.90
13.54
23.31
2.10
1.79
0.80
0.13
0
0.32
0
0.10

</tbody>
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Gagauzes

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<tbody>
N_Atlantic
Baltic
West_Med
West_Asian
East_Med
Red_Sea
South_Asian
East_Asian
Siberian
Amerindian
Oceanian
NE_African
Sub-Saharan


20.35
22.57
20.05
9.76
21.59
1.78
0.52
0.44
0.24
0.71
1.17
0
0.83


20.86
22.55
19.63
14.32
15.61
1.46
4.07
0
0
0.59
0.90
0
0


20.32
21.66
19.13
10.98
20.73
4.52
1.73
0.32
0
0.36
0.25
0
0


21.09
22.41
17.32
15.55
22.11
0.31
0
0
0.39
0.82
0
0
0


15.86
26.45
18.63
15.05
16.84
2.60
1.10
1.32
0
0
0.66
1.07
0.42


14.45
25.74
20.64
15.25
19.48
0.73
0.33
0.79
1.82
0.12
0.66
0
0


20.46
22.27
16.99
12.40
22.03
1.37
0.01
2.46
0.53
0.04
0
1.44
0


21.35
20.55
16.78
16.18
19.30
2.24
0
0
2.42
0
0.38
0.79
0


18.87
23.13
16.26
12.63
22.35
3.12
0
0.27
3.12
0
0
0
0.26


22.03
18.65
16.39
14.57
23.73
2.27
0
0.03
2.08
0
0
0.25
0


18.17
26.79
16.43
11.27
22.17
3.03
0.07
0.73
0.69
0.04
0.61
0
0


19.69
21.09
17.45
14.44
20.45
3.00
2.13
0.04
0.02
0.32
1.37
0
0


20.15
22.14
19.30
12.69
20.13
3.21
0
0.04
1.73
0
0.6
0
0


16.98
23.90
17.79
12.72
23.68
2.95
1.08
0
0.84
0
0.05
0
0


18.72
24.21
18.09
11.79
21.10
3.52
0.01
0.67
0.66
0.74
0.32
0.17
0


17.21
23.46
19.19
13.30
21.96
1.51
0.66
0
2.08
0.12
0
0.52
0


23.21
21.63
19.39
11.90
19.92
0.76
0.84
0.24
0.66
0.01
1.45
0
0


18.60
21.88
20.41
11.79
20.35
2.13
1.47
0.01
1.11
1.50
0.45
0.28
0.04


21.78
23.18
18.37
12.47
20.72
1.53
0.04
0.93
0.12
0.36
0.49
0
0


14.18
27.13
15.35
16.22
19.73
5.34
0.03
0
1.11
0
0.91
0
0


22.10
20.26
16.03
12.28
22.45
4.99
0.61
0
0
0
1.27
0
0


20.89
21.76
17.75
11.73
23.78
2.92
0.15
0.13
0.66
0
0
0.22
0


17.73
23.68
19.57
11.39
23.31
1.35
0.06
0.20
0.66
1.92
0.15
0
0

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[Leto]

You said Bessarabian Bulgarian, so I doubt that person is from Crimea. Or maybe you just misread Cantemir, which is a district in Moldova, as Crimea. That refers to the guy that I found myself, the second sample with elevated North Atlantic.
Resettled in Crimea from Bessarabia.

...предки которой по отцу переселились в Крым около 1800 года, а предки матери переселились около 1804 года сначала в Бессарабию, в 1862 году - в Приазовье, в 1884 году - в Крым;
That's an interesting family by the way. A mix of Kursk, Perm, Crimean Bulgarians and Crimean Germans.

[Ion Basescul]

Resettled in Crimea from Bessarabia.

That's an interesting family by the way. A mix of Kursk, Perm, Crimean Bulgarians and Crimean Germans.

Ah, so he's barely Bulgarian then, because I doubt they mixed in Crimea with Bulgarians from Moldova.

It's this sample, right?


<tbody>
N_Atlantic
Baltic
West_Med
West_Asian
East_Med
Red_Sea
South_Asian
East_Asian
Siberian
Amerindian
Oceanian
NE_African
Sub-Saharan


22.13
22.19
17.51
12.44
19.22
4.36
0.31
0
1.73
0
0.13
0
0

</tbody>

[Leto]

Ah, so he's barely Bulgarian then, because I doubt they mixed in Crimea with Bulgarians from Moldova.

It's this sample, right?

Barely Bulgarian? What do you mean? She is fully Bulgarian. Yes, that's the sample.

[Ion Basescul]

Barely Bulgarian? What do you mean? She is fully Bulgarian. Yes, that's the sample.

Is this then someone's great-grandma? I am asking because they said that they moved from Bessarabia to Crimea in 1800 on one side and 1804 on the other. So to me it looks like the both of them mixed in Crimea, but afterwards the offspring should have mixed with something different from Crimea. Did they specifically mention that for 200 years their ancestors mixed only with Bessarabian Bulgarians in Crimea? Maybe I am confused, but this is what it looks like from the quote.

[Leto]

Is this then someone's great-grandma. I am asking because you've said that they moved from Bessarabia to Crimea in 1800 on one side and 1804 on the other. Did they specifically mention that for 200 years their ancestors mixed only with Bessarabian Bulgarians in Crimea? Maybe I am confused, but this is what that Russian quote says.
I only have that quote. Yes, someone's grandmother. The family is heavily mixed with Russians and even local Germans. I presume they live in Crimea because Crimea was populated from all over Russia and Ukraine in the past 100 years, especially after WW2. I guess that grandma's ancestors may have lived in a Bulgarian village or something. Before urbanization and Sovietization assimilation was limited.

[PAGANE]

A few historical facts


From the second half of the 18th century onwards, the region of the Northern Black Sea Coast became the main direction of Bulgarian migrations. This coincides with Russia's pressure to the south to provide access to the warm Black Sea as a step towards the conquest of Constantinople and the Straits, the main and eternal goal of Russia's imperial policy on the Eastern Question.
The first major migration of Bulgarians within Russia took place during the Russo-Turkish War of 1768 - 1774, which ended with the signing of the peace treaty by Kyuchuk Kaynardzha on 21.07.1774. The establishment of the first compact Bulgarian settlement - Olshanka in Kherson province, founded by over 400 refugee families from the Silistra village of Alfatar, dates back to that time. It is considered at the end of the XVIII century in connection with the two wars of Empress Catherine the Great against the Ottomans from 1767 - 1774 and 1787 - 1791. About 20,000 Bulgarians settled in Southern Bessarabia. At the beginning of the 19th century, Bulgarian settlements were established in the Kherson province and on the Crimean peninsula - Malak and Golyam Boyalak, Ternovka, Old Crimea, Balta Chokrak, Kishlav, Parkani, Kubanka. On the Bucharest Peace Treaty of 16 / 28.05.1812. all of Bessarabia passed to Russia, whose new western border now became the Prut River. The next Russo-Turkish wars of 1806-1812 led to new, even greater migrations of Bulgarians to Southern Russia. and 1828-1829. After the first war, led by Emperor Alexander I (1801-1825), more than 20,000 Bulgarians emigrated, mostly from today's Northern Bulgaria - Razgrad, Silistra, Svishtov, Pleven. By the 1920s, there were about 24,000 Bulgarians in Bessarabia, inhabiting 91 settlements, many of which were founded between 1808 and 1822. The largest migration of Bulgarians was after the Russo-Turkish War of 1828-1829. Russia, as the victor of the war, introduced a special article. 13 in the Edirne Peace Treaty of 2 / 14.09.1829, which allows all Bulgarians involved in the war to move to Russia. Bulgarian refugees are compactly moving to rural areas in the southern Russian provinces, where they are creating many of their purely Bulgarian settlements.
Under the Edirne Peace Treaty of 1829, hundreds of thousands of Bulgarians emigrated, mostly from the southeastern and northeastern Bulgarian lands. The exact number of migrants is still unclear. It varies from 86,700 to 130,000 - 140,000 according to Ivan Meshteryuk. The emigrants are mainly from Edirne, Burgas, Varna, Stara Zagora, Sliven, Yamboli and the villages around them.
In 1831-1834. due to the lack of enough free land in Bessarabia, some of the settlers re-emigrated to Dobrogea, Wallachia and Moldova. Thus, by 1835, more than 61,000 Bulgarian settlers lived in Bessarabia, of which about 33,000 - 35,000 were newcomers - after the Russo-Turkish War of 1828-1829.

[PAGANE]

On the territory of the Crimean peninsula compact masses of Bulgarians began to settle in the early nineteenth century. They originated from the Strandzha villages Gramatikovo and Malko Tarnovo. In the official census of 1897 the number of Crimean Bulgarians amounted to 7528 people. The civil war in Russia from 1918 to 1920 had a negative effect on the Bulgarian diaspora on the Crimean peninsula. In the period 1921 - 1922 many Bulgarians died of starvation, and at the end of 1929 and the beginning of 1930 a forced collectivization was carried out; dekulakization sends the best Bulgarian farmers to Siberia The Stalinist regime carried out another eviction of Bulgarians living compactly there until 1944. They were accused of being enemies, collaborators of the occupying German regime. Before the forced evictions, according to official statistics, there were about 12,500 Bulgarians. They were scattered in many parts of the Soviet Union and did not allow them to settle compactly - some went to the Urals, others to Bashkortostan, others to northern Kazakhstan or throughout Siberia. Many of these people assimilate and forbid them to speak Bulgarian

[Lioncourt]

That person is more Southern than some Macedonians. He's an old retired Orthodox priest actually. His grandkids are 3/4 Russian, pretty much assimilated.

Not an unusual result for a Bulgarian from Macedonia or Thrace. Most Bulgarians in Bessarabia come from Eastern Bulgaria, particulary Thrace region.

[Ion Basescul]

Bulgarian Turk from Kardzhali


<tbody>
North_Atlantic
12.97 Pct


Baltic
23.26 Pct


West_Med
12.62 Pct


West_Asian
15.5 Pct


East_Med
21.23 Pct


Red_Sea
1.56 Pct


South_Asian
0.51 Pct


East_Asian
3.69 Pct


Siberian
6.68 Pct


Amerindian
1.24 Pct


Oceanian
0.42 Pct


Northeast_African
0.33 Pct


Sub-Saharan
-

</tbody>

[Linebacker]

Stearsolina wants me to use this but I do not know how. If it costs money I probably won't. My anthrotarding days are long gone.

This is my results from long ago. I am I-L621 parentally and H3 maternally. I have 2.8% Neanderthal. I am blood type O negative.

Crn Volk will absolutely love those 2% East Asian.

https://i.ibb.co/wyDz109/screenshot2018-11-21.jpg

[vbnetkhio]

Stearsolina wants me to use this but I do not know how. If it costs money I probably won't. My anthrotarding days are long gone.

This is my results from long ago. I am I-L621 parentally and H3 maternally. I have 2.8% Neanderthal. I am blood type O negative.

Crn Volk will absolutely love those 2% East Asian.

https://i.ibb.co/wyDz109/screenshot2018-11-21.jpg

is that 23andme?

admixture calculators are free.

just download your raw data:
https://www.yourdnaguide.com/rawdata

then upload it to gedmatch:
https://www.gedmatch.com/login1.php
https://www.yourdnaguide.com/upload-to-gedmatch

you can also check your results without uploading anywhere with admixturestudio:
https://dnagenics.com/admixture-studio/

[Linebacker]

^ Its how 23andme looked like years ago.

And if that`s the case I'd rather not upload my data to some indie companies. I don't care that much to find out.

[vbnetkhio]

^ Its how 23andme looked like years ago.

And if that`s the case I'd rather not upload my data to some indie companies. I don't care that much to find out.

then use admixture studio. it's more up to date anyway.

[Abriekman]

Stearsolina wants me to use this but I do not know how. If it costs money I probably won't. My anthrotarding days are long gone.

This is my results from long ago. I am I-L621 parentally and H3 maternally. I have 2.8% Neanderthal. I am blood type O negative.

Crn Volk will absolutely love those 2% East Asian.

https://i.ibb.co/wyDz109/screenshot2018-11-21.jpg

You are about 5-10% Bulgar according to 23andme. From which region of Bulgaria are you from?

[Linebacker]

^ Plovdiv

[Kaspias]

^ Its how 23andme looked like years ago.

And if that`s the case I'd rather not upload my data to some indie companies. I don't care that much to find out.


I can run your kit through ads/gedmatch if that's too much work for you. But you should send me the raw data.

A dna test without Gedmatch doesn't mean anything.

[Abriekman]

I can run your kit through ads/gedmatch if that's too much work for you. But you should send me the raw data.

A dna test without Gedmatch doesn't mean anything.

DNA tests, especially old versions could show shift of person. You will see eastern shift on Gedmatch, just like there

[Kaspias]

DNA tests, especially old versions could show shift of person. You will see eastern shift on Gedmatch, just like there

No.

[canadienne]

Actually this companies just try to make a big picture for you. Many companies and amateur researchers have different samples and DNA test style. I don't trust my Gedmatch percentage, also my G25 percantage too. And absolutely commercial test companies database too. I'm not %40 Early Indoeuropean according to G25. We can only imagine where we are from. This technology era, we don't have any chance.

Also commercial test matching algorithm...Me and my mom have less common dna then our common matches. That's bullshit.

[Abriekman]

No.

Ok, I bet you will see it in case of Linebacker.
I know, what I am talking about, Gedmatch and DNA tests match each other in most of cases

[Linebacker]

But you should send me the raw data.

>send raw genetic data to stranger on the internet.
https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/001/535/091/d97.jpg

[bained]

Good to see another I2a1b from Plovdiv.

Just download admixture studio and run your file. It doesn't send data to anybody. Plus you already gave them your DNA in the spit once, now you will just gain more info out of it.

[Abriekman]

Good to see another I2a1b from Plovdiv.

Just download admixture studio and run your file. It doesn't send data to anybody. Plus you already gave them your DNA in the spit once, now you will just gain more info out of it.

Yes between admixture studio is more accurate , than commercial tests for me, this tool analyzed my Greek and Balkan segments, what 23andme gave me and in which regions I do have Balkan relatives and it reads Bulgarian_Burgas, Pomak_Komotini, Bulgarian_Ruse, Turk_Kavala , Bulgarian_Northwest, Greek_Istanbul, Turk_Drama, Macedonian_Greece it is much more accurate, than 23andme or MyHeritage locations, that gave me Romania for some reason

Half Bulgarian half Polish according to Admixture Studio

1 50% South_Polish + 50% Turk_Sliven-Alevi @ 3,904
2 50% Polish + 50% Turk_Kardzhali-Alevi @ 4,090
3 50% Ukrainian + 50% Turk_Sliven-Alevi @ 4,184
4 50% Turk_Sliven-Alevi + 50% Polish @ 4,393
5 50% Ukrainian_Lviv + 50% Turk_Sliven-Alevi @ 4,425
6 50% Slovak + 50% Turk_Sliven-Alevi @ 4,570
7 50% Czech + 50% Turk_Sliven-Alevi @ 4,584
8 50% South_Polish + 50% Bulgarian_Eastern-Rhodopes @ 4,600
9 50% Kaykavian_Croatian + 50% Bulgarian_Ruse @ 4,622
10 50% Ukrainian_Lviv + 50% Bulgarian_Eastern-Rhodopes @ 4,678

[Abriekman]

Does somebody have Dobruja Bulgarian Gedmatch results, kits?


Thank you

[vbnetkhio]

from Kazanlak and Rakitnitsa, central Bulgaria
Population
North_Atlantic 24 Pct
Baltic 26.71 Pct
West_Med 15.67 Pct
West_Asian 6.8 Pct
East_Med 21.75 Pct
Red_Sea 2.24 Pct
South_Asian 0.75 Pct
East_Asian 0.57 Pct
Siberian 1.04 Pct
Amerindian -
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 0.43 Pct

[PAGANE]

[QUOTE = Abriekman; 7074103] Някой има ли резултати от Добруджа български Gedmatch, комплекти?


Благодаря ви [/ QUOTE]

My results, that of my mother, my brother and four other relatives are from Dobrogea for sure from the last 120 years.

[vlrs-2]

This person is half Bulgarian (South) Half Russian (Southwest):

BG-RU,22.06,37.58,12.05,12.24,8.82,2.71,0.42,0.5,2.09 ,0.87,0.12,0,0

Not sure about the 12 West Asian though. There might be something Tatar-like from the Russian side.

Target: BGRU
Distance: 2.4669% / 2.46685749 | ADC: 0.25x RC
35.7 Bosniak_Bosnia
29.1 Mordovian
24.0 Ukrainian_Carpathian
11.2 Kabardin

Target: BGRU
Distance: 6.9400% / 6.94002332 | ADC: 2x RC
54.5 Ukrainian_Carpathian
45.5 Bosniak_Bosnia

[Ion Basescul]

This person is half Bulgarian (South) Half Russian (Southwest):

BG-RU,22.06,37.58,12.05,12.24,8.82,2.71,0.42,0.5,2.09 ,0.87,0.12,0,0

Not sure about the 12 West Asian though. There might be something Tatar-like from the Russian side.

Target: BGRU
Distance: 2.4669% / 2.46685749 | ADC: 0.25x RC
35.7 Bosniak_Bosnia
29.1 Mordovian
24.0 Ukrainian_Carpathian
11.2 Kabardin

Target: BGRU
Distance: 6.9400% / 6.94002332 | ADC: 2x RC
54.5 Ukrainian_Carpathian
45.5 Bosniak_Bosnia

It's normal for Southwest Russians to get up to about 8-9% in West Asian and for South Bulgarians to reach 14%. Some score even 16-17% and they are not mixed with Turks. That's why he gets 12%.

[vlrs-2]

It's normal for Southwest Russians to get up to about 8-9% in West Asian and for South Bulgarians to reach 14%. Some score even 16-17% and they are not mixed with Turks. That's why he gets 12%.

I do agree, however, Bulgarians with 16-17% West Asian are definitely mixed with Turks or Armenians or Circassians even if they do not know that. Most people here have ancestral knowledge for the last 200 years at best and that explains some unknown admixtures.

[Ion Basescul]

I do agree, however, Bulgarians with 16-17% West Asian are definitely mixed with Turks or Armenians or Circassians even if they do not know that. Most people here have ancestral knowledge for the last 200 years at best and that explains some unknown admixtures.

200 years is enough...Turk/Armenian/Circassian ancestry gets absorbed easily on such timescales. West Asian is not always such, sometimes it's simply a partially misplaced East Med/Red Sea due to low SNP overlap with GEDmatch calculators on the new generation of tests.

[vlrs-2]

200 years is enough...Turk/Armenian/Circassian ancestry gets absorbed easily on such timescales. West Asian is not always such, sometimes it's simply a partially misplaced East Med/Red Sea due to low SNP overlap with GEDmatch calculators on the new generation of tests.

Autosomal DNA admixtures usually circulate for about 300 years, then there are the admixture events in history and the mixed areas. Also, contact zones around the borders. Although what you are saying about the SNP issue is correct, I have seen these blips when one component is skyrocketing at the expense of another, like the North Atlantic variations in Bulgaria, or the West/East med flipping.

[Leto]

This person is half Bulgarian (South) Half Russian (Southwest):

BG-RU,22.06,37.58,12.05,12.24,8.82,2.71,0.42,0.5,2.09 ,0.87,0.12,0,0

Not sure about the 12 West Asian though. There might be something Tatar-like from the Russian side.

Target: BGRU
Distance: 2.4669% / 2.46685749 | ADC: 0.25x RC
35.7 Bosniak_Bosnia
29.1 Mordovian
24.0 Ukrainian_Carpathian
11.2 Kabardin

Target: BGRU
Distance: 6.9400% / 6.94002332 | ADC: 2x RC
54.5 Ukrainian_Carpathian
45.5 Bosniak_Bosnia
Post his Dodecad K12b components please.
His Mongoloid percentage doesn't indicate anything Tatar. West Asian is not the main Tatar or Turkic marker. I think it's normal for a full Bulgarian to score 11-12% West Asian. But in his case that may as well be some kind of recombination.

[Leto]

This person is half Bulgarian (South) Half Russian (Southwest):

BG-RU,22.06,37.58,12.05,12.24,8.82,2.71,0.42,0.5,2.09 ,0.87,0.12,0,0

Not sure about the 12 West Asian though. There might be something Tatar-like from the Russian side.

Target: BGRU
Distance: 2.4669% / 2.46685749 | ADC: 0.25x RC
35.7 Bosniak_Bosnia
29.1 Mordovian
24.0 Ukrainian_Carpathian
11.2 Kabardin

Target: BGRU
Distance: 6.9400% / 6.94002332 | ADC: 2x RC
54.5 Ukrainian_Carpathian
45.5 Bosniak_Bosnia
Post his Dodecad K12b components please.
His Mongoloid percentage doesn't indicate anything Tatar. West Asian is not the main Tatar or Turkic marker. I think it's normal for a full Bulgarian to score 11-12% West Asian. But in his case that may as well be some kind of recombination.

[vlrs-2]

Post his Dodecad K12b components please.
His Mongoloid percentage doesn't indicate anything Tatar. West Asian is not the main Tatar or Turkic marker. I think it's normal for a full Bulgarian to score 11-12% West Asian. But in his case that may as well be some kind of recombination.

One of the grandparent's names is Kazantsev - is that name connected to the Volga Tatars or it could be generally Russian?


Gedrosia 8.08 Pct
Siberian 1.78 Pct
Northwest_African 0.58 Pct
Southeast_Asian 1.26 Pct
Atlantic_Med 21.08 Pct
North_European 46.56 Pct
South_Asian -
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 3.22 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 17.44 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

[Nurzat]

...

awesome thread, as usual!

do we (totally) overlap them Bulgarians (including Macedonians) and remake the Bulgarovlach Tsardom already? xD

btw a cousin of mine (from my Ukrainian side) lives in Bulgaria, married a local man :coffee: so I have both Hungarians and Bulgarians in the close family

[Leto]

One of the grandparent's names is Kazantsev - is that name connected to the Volga Tatars or it could be generally Russian?


Gedrosia 8.08 Pct
Siberian 1.78 Pct
Northwest_African 0.58 Pct
Southeast_Asian 1.26 Pct
Atlantic_Med 21.08 Pct
North_European 46.56 Pct
South_Asian -
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 3.22 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 17.44 Pct
Sub_Saharan -
Although Kazan is indeed the capital of Tatarstan, I think that's just a Russian surname. Kazan has been part of Russia for almost 500 years. There are surnames like Tatarinov, Tatarkin (tatarin means Tatar man, tatarka means Tatar woman) :D

Target: Bg-Rus
Distance: 1.1621% / 1.16210811 | ADC: 0.25x RC
32.7 Ukrainian
32.0 Slovak
18.9 Moldovan_North
14.3 Dargin
1.1 Dai
1.0 Yaghnobi_Tajikistan

Target: Bg-Rus
Distance: 2.2393% / 2.23934263 | ADC: 0.5x RC
54.4 Moldovan_North
35.4 Russian_Oryol
10.2 Pamiri_Rushan

Distance to: Bg-Rus
1.36143203 22.80% Azerbaijani_Dagestan + 77.20% Polish
1.66251979 79.80% Polish + 20.20% Talysh_Azerbaijan
1.75470562 79.00% Polish_Warmia-Masuria + 21.00% Turk_Ahiska
1.84344210 21.60% Azerbaijani_Republic + 78.40% Polish
1.91850903 21.40% Azerbaijani_Iran + 78.60% Polish
1.94496266 20.20% Georgian + 79.80% Polish_Warmia-Masuria
1.95334076 20.60% Kurd_Kurmanji + 79.40% Polish
1.95883637 19.40% Kurd_Feyli + 80.60% Polish
1.99022117 79.60% Polish + 20.40% Yazidi_Kurd
1.99724841 24.40% Adyghe + 75.60% Polish_Warmia-Masuria

[Ion Basescul]

awesome thread, as usual!

do we (totally) overlap them Bulgarians (including Macedonians) and remake the Bulgarovlach Tsardom already? xD

btw a cousin of mine (from my Ukrainian side) lives in Bulgaria, married a local man :coffee: so I have both Hungarians and Bulgarians in the close family

In Romania's South some of the popular surnames are already of obvious Bulgarian or South Slavic origin. In reality the geneflow is probably even stronger than this, but the problem with identifying that is that the most popular surnames in Romania are simple paternal given names. Here in Moldova it is simpler, because surnames usually give a hint towards the ethnicity of the original bearer of the surname.

Romania:
https://forebears.io/surnames/dobre
https://forebears.io/surnames/anghel
https://forebears.io/surnames/ivan
https://forebears.io/surnames/stancu
https://forebears.io/surnames/stanciu
https://forebears.io/surnames/dragnea
https://forebears.io/surnames/manea
https://forebears.io/surnames/petcu
https://forebears.io/surnames/stoian
https://forebears.io/surnames/stoica
https://forebears.io/surnames/nedelcu

Bulgaria:
https://forebears.io/surnames/dobrev
https://forebears.io/surnames/angelov
https://forebears.io/surnames/ivanov
https://forebears.io/surnames/stankov
https://forebears.io/surnames/stanchev
https://forebears.io/surnames/dragnev
https://forebears.io/surnames/manev
https://forebears.io/surnames/petkov
https://forebears.io/surnames/stoyanov
https://forebears.io/surnames/stoian
https://forebears.io/surnames/stoykov
https://forebears.io/surnames/nedelchev

Serbia:
https://forebears.io/surnames/stankovi%C4%87
https://forebears.io/surnames/nedeljkovi%C4%87

[vlrs-2]

In Romania's South some of the popular surnames are already of obvious Bulgarian or South Slavic origin. In reality the geneflow is probably even stronger than this, but the problem with identifying that is that the most popular surnames in Romania are simple paternal given names. Here in Moldova it is simpler, because surnames usually give a hint towards the ethnicity of the original bearer of the surname.

Do you think that the original Romanian/Vlach population from the Medieval age was genetically more like the Albanians before absorbing the Slavic element?

[Ion Basescul]

Do you think that the original Romanian/Vlach population from the Medieval age was genetically more like the Albanians before absorbing the Slavic element?

Somewhere around that probably...modern Vlachs from around Balkans (Serbia doesn't count since those are fairly recent migrants from Oltenia) are closest to Albanians/Greeks/North Macedonians. Maybe that means that they were genetically replaced by locals, or maybe that means that they kept to themselves and this is how the first Eastern Romance people looked like.

[Ion Basescul]

Hey guys, I didn't forget about you.
We have 127 samples in the project that I've posted in this thread so far, and there are 148 more that I have gathered since then. I will update you soon. But from what I can see already, the average barely changes.

In the meantime, here are 48 Bulgarians from this region around Central Balkan mountains.

https://i.ibb.co/dB7m4mJ/image.png

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N_Atlantic
Baltic
West_Med
West_Asian
East_Med
Red_Sea
South_Asian
East_Asian
Siberian
Amerindian
Oceanian
NE_African
Sub-Saharan


18.26
26.71
18.70
11.06
19.54
3.30
0.78
1.19
0
0.34
0.12
0
0


21.42
24.92
15.82
11.10
20.94
2.06
2.42
1.05
0
0.23
0
0
0


22.54
27.63
18.00
8.59
17.79
2.37
1.12
0
0.33
0.73
0.89
0
0


21.73
28.08
14.27
13.32
18.17
1.96
1.90
0
0.21
0.12
0.24
0
0


22.76
23.97
17.87
11.50
20.38
1.19
0
0.94
0
1.39
0
0
0


18.30
27.07
19.67
10.57
19.54
3.00
0
0
1.15
0.33
0.24
0.13
0


17.28
28.26
18.92
8.76
22.26
2.70
0
0
1.40
0.36
0.06
0
0


19.41
24.93
19.15
11.61
20.56
1.77
0
0
2.30
0.21
0
0
0.07


19.81
27.73
17.61
9.00
19.88
3.40
0
1.32
0.31
0.43
0.50
0
0


21.40
28.42
18.62
7.60
20.07
2.99
0
0
0.61
0
0.18
0.10
0


19.38
27.12
18.68
8.24
21.16
3.71
0
0.43
0.28
0.27
0.73
0
0


22.84
23.02
19.16
13.34
17.46
1.59
0
0.77
0.89
0
0.84
0
0.09


20.13
25.27
17.81
10.91
21.79
3.25
0.09
0
0
0.75
0
0
0


17.98
25.01
22.14
14.25
16.71
0.60
0.06
1.26
0.19
1.29
0.50
0
0


21.68
24.32
17.09
9.34
19.77
3.77
0.69
2.25
0.35
0.15
0.59
0
0


22.30
26.36
16.56
11.27
18.18
2.37
0
0.97
0.71
0.56
0.41
0.31
0


20.29
25.21
19.72
9.15
20.88
2.51
0
0
1.11
0
0.55
0
0.59


24.30
25.16
17.08
10.31
20.97
0
0
0.15
0.20
0
0.76
1.07
0


19.59
24.73
20.07
11.30
18.80
3.40
0.07
0
0.74
0.71
0.59
0
0


18.94
20.60
18.60
12.69
23.97
1.82
0
0.66
0.84
0.92
0.95
0
0


21.17
21.99
18.15
13.59
20.78
2.51
0
0
1.51
0.27
0
0
0


14.66
26.51
20.25
14.49
18.50
3.10
1.07
0
1.30
0
0.11
0
0


21.62
20.89
13.40
15.38
23.06
3.44
0
1.41
0
0.79
0
0
0


21.38
24.41
15.50
10.53
20.54
3.28
2.77
1.08
0
0
0.53
0
0


20.30
20.37
19.09
13.28
20.56
4.60
0
0
0.51
0.30
0.99
0
0


22.06
22.66
17.54
12.24
19.62
3.06
1.04
0.37
0
0
1.25
0.16
0


18.89
23.83
18.33
11.88
21.07
2.42
0
0.70
0.26
1.67
0.95
0
0


23.77
21.74
16.73
13.23
18.85
3.54
0
0.83
0.25
0.57
0.29
0.20
0


22.85
21.73
21.00
10.34
18.43
3.16
0.64
0
0.72
0.19
0.51
0
0.40


18.62
23.32
19.64
11.49
22.54
2.84
0.40
0
0.31
0.41
0.43
0
0


18.80
21.33
17.54
13.27
24.01
2.57
1.64
0.13
0.59
0
0
0
0.11


19.12
19.17
20.26
16.45
20.81
1.98
0.22
0.30
0
1.32
0.37
0
0


20.60
23.55
16.91
12.49
21.48
2.88
1.46
0.08
0
0.55
0
0
0


21.42
22.72
18.00
11.78
18.63
3.68
0.48
1.54
0.14
0.98
0.14
0.41
0.08


22.63
22.01
16.12
15.16
18.34
3.74
0
0.39
0
0.45
1.16
0
0


21.05
21.86
18.13
11.72
23.36
2.43
0
0
0.52
0.12
0.78
0
0


20.55
25.58
17.01
14.38
18.13
2.10
0
0.46
1.30
0.29
0.19
0
0


25.12
25.54
16.43
15.09
13.12
2.00
0.60
0
1.81
0.20
0
0.08
0


21.97
27.97
18.46
10.31
16.89
2.09
0
0.78
0
0.50
1.01
0
0


20.98
26.35
15.72
14.52
16.13
3.36
0.96
1.36
0
0.42
0.21
0
0


20.25
26.06
16.73
13.49
18.91
1.68
0
0
1.46
0.71
0.69
0
0


22.02
23.80
17.67
17.25
15.84
1.11
1.07
0
0.08
0.47
0.61
0
0.08


22.23
23.32
14.82
13.37
22.16
0.72
0.49
0.94
0.42
0
0.99
0.54
0


19.48
24.72
19.03
11.11
21.36
0.39
2.14
0
0.41
0
0.50
0
0.87


18.41
25.58
18.82
10.21
22.25
1.35
0.12
2.11
1.08
0.07
0
0
0


20.32
27.23
16.07
11.73
18.67
2.71
0
0.53
0
1.07
0.73
0.94
0


19.03
26.91
18.39
10.58
20.72
1.98
0.44
0.24
1.59
0
0.13
0
0


18.68
20.79
18.07
11.62
24.65
2.72
0
0.64
2.03
0.79
0
0
0

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CentralBalkans_average,20.59,24.51,17.90,11.98,19. 96,2.48,0.47,0.52,0.58,0.44,0.43,0.08,0.05

[Coolguy1]

Hey guys, I didn't forget about you.
We have 127 samples in the project that I've posted in this thread so far, and there are 148 more that I have gathered since then. I will update you soon. But from what I can see already, the average barely changes.

In the meantime, here are 48 Bulgarians from this region around Central Balkan mountains.

https://i.ibb.co/dB7m4mJ/image.png

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<tbody>
N_Atlantic
Baltic
West_Med
West_Asian
East_Med
Red_Sea
South_Asian
East_Asian
Siberian
Amerindian
Oceanian
NE_African
Sub-Saharan


18.26
26.71
18.70
11.06
19.54
3.30
0.78
1.19
0
0.34
0.12
0
0


21.42
24.92
15.82
11.10
20.94
2.06
2.42
1.05
0
0.23
0
0
0


22.54
27.63
18.00
8.59
17.79
2.37
1.12
0
0.33
0.73
0.89
0
0


21.73
28.08
14.27
13.32
18.17
1.96
1.90
0
0.21
0.12
0.24
0
0


22.76
23.97
17.87
11.50
20.38
1.19
0
0.94
0
1.39
0
0
0


18.30
27.07
19.67
10.57
19.54
3.00
0
0
1.15
0.33
0.24
0.13
0


17.28
28.26
18.92
8.76
22.26
2.70
0
0
1.40
0.36
0.06
0
0


19.41
24.93
19.15
11.61
20.56
1.77
0
0
2.30
0.21
0
0
0.07


19.81
27.73
17.61
9.00
19.88
3.40
0
1.32
0.31
0.43
0.50
0
0


21.40
28.42
18.62
7.60
20.07
2.99
0
0
0.61
0
0.18
0.10
0


19.38
27.12
18.68
8.24
21.16
3.71
0
0.43
0.28
0.27
0.73
0
0


22.84
23.02
19.16
13.34
17.46
1.59
0
0.77
0.89
0
0.84
0
0.09


20.13
25.27
17.81
10.91
21.79
3.25
0.09
0
0
0.75
0
0
0


17.98
25.01
22.14
14.25
16.71
0.60
0.06
1.26
0.19
1.29
0.50
0
0


21.68
24.32
17.09
9.34
19.77
3.77
0.69
2.25
0.35
0.15
0.59
0
0


22.30
26.36
16.56
11.27
18.18
2.37
0
0.97
0.71
0.56
0.41
0.31
0


20.29
25.21
19.72
9.15
20.88
2.51
0
0
1.11
0
0.55
0
0.59


24.30
25.16
17.08
10.31
20.97
0
0
0.15
0.20
0
0.76
1.07
0


19.59
24.73
20.07
11.30
18.80
3.40
0.07
0
0.74
0.71
0.59
0
0


18.94
20.60
18.60
12.69
23.97
1.82
0
0.66
0.84
0.92
0.95
0
0


21.17
21.99
18.15
13.59
20.78
2.51
0
0
1.51
0.27
0
0
0


14.66
26.51
20.25
14.49
18.50
3.10
1.07
0
1.30
0
0.11
0
0


21.62
20.89
13.40
15.38
23.06
3.44
0
1.41
0
0.79
0
0
0


21.38
24.41
15.50
10.53
20.54
3.28
2.77
1.08
0
0
0.53
0
0


20.30
20.37
19.09
13.28
20.56
4.60
0
0
0.51
0.30
0.99
0
0


22.06
22.66
17.54
12.24
19.62
3.06
1.04
0.37
0
0
1.25
0.16
0


18.89
23.83
18.33
11.88
21.07
2.42
0
0.70
0.26
1.67
0.95
0
0


23.77
21.74
16.73
13.23
18.85
3.54
0
0.83
0.25
0.57
0.29
0.20
0


22.85
21.73
21.00
10.34
18.43
3.16
0.64
0
0.72
0.19
0.51
0
0.40


18.62
23.32
19.64
11.49
22.54
2.84
0.40
0
0.31
0.41
0.43
0
0


18.80
21.33
17.54
13.27
24.01
2.57
1.64
0.13
0.59
0
0
0
0.11


19.12
19.17
20.26
16.45
20.81
1.98
0.22
0.30
0
1.32
0.37
0
0


20.60
23.55
16.91
12.49
21.48
2.88
1.46
0.08
0
0.55
0
0
0


21.42
22.72
18.00
11.78
18.63
3.68
0.48
1.54
0.14
0.98
0.14
0.41
0.08


22.63
22.01
16.12
15.16
18.34
3.74
0
0.39
0
0.45
1.16
0
0


21.05
21.86
18.13
11.72
23.36
2.43
0
0
0.52
0.12
0.78
0
0


20.55
25.58
17.01
14.38
18.13
2.10
0
0.46
1.30
0.29
0.19
0
0


25.12
25.54
16.43
15.09
13.12
2.00
0.60
0
1.81
0.20
0
0.08
0


21.97
27.97
18.46
10.31
16.89
2.09
0
0.78
0
0.50
1.01
0
0


20.98
26.35
15.72
14.52
16.13
3.36
0.96
1.36
0
0.42
0.21
0
0


20.25
26.06
16.73
13.49
18.91
1.68
0
0
1.46
0.71
0.69
0
0


22.02
23.80
17.67
17.25
15.84
1.11
1.07
0
0.08
0.47
0.61
0
0.08


22.23
23.32
14.82
13.37
22.16
0.72
0.49
0.94
0.42
0
0.99
0.54
0


19.48
24.72
19.03
11.11
21.36
0.39
2.14
0
0.41
0
0.50
0
0.87


18.41
25.58
18.82
10.21
22.25
1.35
0.12
2.11
1.08
0.07
0
0
0


20.32
27.23
16.07
11.73
18.67
2.71
0
0.53
0
1.07
0.73
0.94
0


19.03
26.91
18.39
10.58
20.72
1.98
0.44
0.24
1.59
0
0.13
0
0


18.68
20.79
18.07
11.62
24.65
2.72
0
0.64
2.03
0.79
0
0
0

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CentralBalkans_average,20.59,24.51,17.90,11.98,19. 96,2.48,0.47,0.52,0.58,0.44,0.43,0.08,0.05

Do you mind posting their dodecad k12b results as well?

[Ion Basescul]

Do you mind posting their dodecad k12b results as well?

Too much work, I am doing this in my spare time.

[Ion Basescul]

As promised, here are the provincial averages. Some provinces have very few samples and will obviously grow with time. If you find something, post them in this thread to get them added.




Update to the provincial averages in the Northeastern region:

Old

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Name
Number of Samples
N_Atlantic
Baltic
West_Med
West_Asian
East_Med
Red_Sea
South_Asian
East_Asian
Siberian
Amerindian
Oceanian
NE_African
Sub-Saharan


Bulgaria_Northeastern_Varna
2
23.94
22.48
17.90
12.43
19.54
1.41
0.02
0.33
0.84
0.08
0.58
0.00
0.47

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New

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Name
Number of Samples
N_Atlantic
Baltic
West_Med
West_Asian
East_Med
Red_Sea
South_Asian
East_Asian
Siberian
Amerindian
Oceanian
NE_African
Sub-Saharan


Bulgaria_Northeastern_Varna
19
21.84
22.51
18.21
11.89
20.19
2.58
0.47
0.39
0.82
0.26
0.52
0.21
0.11

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[Ion Basescul]

First sample from Shumen province in the Northeastern region

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Name
N_Atlantic
Baltic
West_Med
West_Asian
East_Med
Red_Sea
South_Asian
East_Asian
Siberian
Amerindian
Oceanian
NE_African
Sub-Saharan


Shumen
21.72
22.45
17.61
10.70
21.70
2.97
0.06
0.56
0.70
0.75
0.79
0
0

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[Ion Basescul]

No updates for Dobrich. This is the old average, which consists solely of user Pagane and her family.

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<tbody>
Name
Number of Samples
N_Atlantic
Baltic
West_Med
West_Asian
East_Med
Red_Sea
South_Asian
East_Asian
Siberian
Amerindian
Oceanian
NE_African
Sub-Saharan


Bulgaria_Northeastern_Dobrich
7
21.64
22.34
17.33
13.72
19.41
2.89
0.59
0.32
0.39
0.30
0.21
0.15
0.00

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[Ion Basescul]

Northeastern region average

Old

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Name
Number of Samples
N_Atlantic
Baltic
West_Med
West_Asian
East_Med
Red_Sea
South_Asian
East_Asian
Siberian
Amerindian
Oceanian
NE_African
Sub-Saharan


Bulgaria_Northeastern
9
22.15
22.37
17.46
13.43
19.44
2.56
0.46
0.32
0.49
0.24
0.29
0.11
0.10

</tbody>
</google-sheets-html-origin>
New

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Name
Number of Samples
N_Atlantic
Baltic
West_Med
West_Asian
East_Med
Red_Sea
South_Asian
East_Asian
Siberian
Amerindian
Oceanian
NE_African
Sub-Saharan


Bulgaria_Northeastern
27
21.78
22.47
17.96
12.32
20.05
2.67
0.49
0.38
0.70
0.29
0.45
0.19
0.08

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[Abriekman]

Dobruja Bulgarian

Eurogenes K13

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 89.6% Bulgarian + 10.4% Uzbeki @ 1.91
2 91% Bulgarian + 9% Hazara @ 2.07
3 89.1% Bulgarian + 10.9% Afghan_Turkmen @ 2.13
4 90.4% Bulgarian + 9.6% Aghan_Hazara @ 2.18
5 90.7% Bulgarian + 9.3% Uygur @ 2.28
6 87.3% Bulgarian + 12.7% Nogay @ 2.37
7 90.1% Bulgarian + 9.9% Afghan_Tadjik @ 2.58
8 92.7% Bulgarian + 7.3% Kazakh @ 2.72
9 89.8% Bulgarian + 10.2% Tadjik @ 2.75
10 93.2% Bulgarian + 6.8% Kirgiz @ 2.78
11 93.6% Bulgarian + 6.4% Hakas @ 2.85
12 93.3% Bulgarian + 6.7% Shors @ 2.92
13 94.4% Bulgarian + 5.6% Altaian @ 3.01
14 93.2% Bulgarian + 6.8% Burusho @ 3.04
15 63.4% Central_Greek + 36.6% Erzya @ 3.06
16 89.9% Bulgarian + 10.1% Turkmen @ 3.07
17 62.9% Central_Greek + 37.1% Kargopol_Russian @ 3.07
18 94.8% Bulgarian + 5.2% Mongolian @ 3.08
19 87% Bulgarian + 13% Tatar @ 3.18
20 72.4% Moldavian + 27.6% Cyprian @ 3.2

[Ion Basescul]

Dobruja Bulgarian

Eurogenes K13

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 89.6% Bulgarian + 10.4% Uzbeki @ 1.91
2 91% Bulgarian + 9% Hazara @ 2.07
3 89.1% Bulgarian + 10.9% Afghan_Turkmen @ 2.13
4 90.4% Bulgarian + 9.6% Aghan_Hazara @ 2.18
5 90.7% Bulgarian + 9.3% Uygur @ 2.28
6 87.3% Bulgarian + 12.7% Nogay @ 2.37
7 90.1% Bulgarian + 9.9% Afghan_Tadjik @ 2.58
8 92.7% Bulgarian + 7.3% Kazakh @ 2.72
9 89.8% Bulgarian + 10.2% Tadjik @ 2.75
10 93.2% Bulgarian + 6.8% Kirgiz @ 2.78
11 93.6% Bulgarian + 6.4% Hakas @ 2.85
12 93.3% Bulgarian + 6.7% Shors @ 2.92
13 94.4% Bulgarian + 5.6% Altaian @ 3.01
14 93.2% Bulgarian + 6.8% Burusho @ 3.04
15 63.4% Central_Greek + 36.6% Erzya @ 3.06
16 89.9% Bulgarian + 10.1% Turkmen @ 3.07
17 62.9% Central_Greek + 37.1% Kargopol_Russian @ 3.07
18 94.8% Bulgarian + 5.2% Mongolian @ 3.08
19 87% Bulgarian + 13% Tatar @ 3.18
20 72.4% Moldavian + 27.6% Cyprian @ 3.2

Not ethnic Bulgarian

[Ion Basescul]

His and mom's full results from Anthrogenica (https://anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?24920-Bulgarian-results-GEDMATCH-MyHeritage-(23andMe-useless-for-Balkan-Tatars-)&p=806197#post806197)...both look Bulgarian in K13, but on 23andme 20%+ West Asian and Turkish regions in Turkey 100% confirm the presence of Turkish admixture.
Also him having more West Asian than the mom, might mean that the dad also has a similar admix as them

https://i.imgur.com/i58x1i3.png
https://i.imgur.com/ibz7Tng.png

https://i.imgur.com/9smKGaP.png
https://i.imgur.com/rIu6Uie.png

[Abriekman]

His and mom's full results from Anthrogenica (https://anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?24920-Bulgarian-results-GEDMATCH-MyHeritage-(23andMe-useless-for-Balkan-Tatars-)&p=806197#post806197)...both look Bulgarian in K13, but on 23andme 20%+ West Asian and Turkish regions in Turkey 100% confirm the presence of Turkish admixture.
Also him having more West Asian than the mom, might mean that the dad also has a similar admix as them


So what you think is, that his 2 parents has either Turkish or Tatar recent ancestry without knowing this? It looks to me like small region in Dobruja where he is from just have this kind of shift and that's all.

[Ion Basescul]

So what you think is, that his 2 parents has either Turkish or Tatar recent ancestry without knowing this? It looks to me like small region in Dobruja where he is from just have this kind of shift and that's all.

I noticed later that he said his mom has origins from a Tatar village in Bulgaria. I guess that explains it, but a 30% West Asian to 4% East Asian/Siberian is too small for a Tatar. Looks more like Turkish to me. Also he has more West Asian than his mom, meaning that the dad should have a similar amount.

[Abriekman]

I noticed later that he said his mom has origins from a Tatar village in Bulgaria. I guess that explains it, but a 30% West Asian to 4% East Asian/Siberian is too small for a Tatar. Looks more like Turkish to me. Also he has more West Asian than his mom, meaning that the dad should have a similar amount.

That's what I am talking about, if it is from both parents then it could be that that is how all Bulgarians from those mostly Tatar/Turkish villages genetically look like

[Ion Basescul]

That's what I am talking about, if it is from both parents then it could be that that is how all Bulgarians from those mostly Tatar/Turkish villages genetically look like

I wouldn't say that all Bulgarians from villages with Tatars score like that, because these are just 3 samples. It might be a case of cultural + religious assimilation. And if I am being honest, these results don't look Tatar at all. Tatars and Turks are quite different genetically, with Turks being significantly more West Eurasian. I have a Tatar from Northern Dobruja in Romania and that person has 26% East Eurasian and very little East and West Med compared to them.

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N_Atlantic
Baltic
West_Med
West_Asian
East_Med
Red_Sea
South_Asian
East_Asian
Siberian
Amerindian
Oceanian
NE_African
Sub-Saharan


16.35
19.88
6.00
16.98
8.62
2.55
2.89
9.57
15.19
0.92
0
0.97
0.08

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[Abriekman]

I wouldn't say that all Bulgarians from villages with Tatars score like that, because these are just 3 samples. It might be a case of cultural + religious assimilation. And if I am being honest, these results don't look Tatar at all. Tatars and Turks are quite different genetically, with Turks being significantly more West Eurasian. I have a Tatar from Northern Dobruja in Romania and that person has 26% East Eurasian and very little East and West Med compared to them.

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N_Atlantic
Baltic
West_Med
West_Asian
East_Med
Red_Sea
South_Asian
East_Asian
Siberian
Amerindian
Oceanian
NE_African
Sub-Saharan


16.35
19.88
6.00
16.98
8.62
2.55
2.89
9.57
15.19
0.92
0
0.97
0.08

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Yes, but with this amount of East Asian it would make him almost fully Balkan Turk, which is very unlikely, I am pretty sure he would know if he was. In my opinion it is most likely from ancient Bulgars, because Dobruja is where they were in big amounts, so maybe some people carry not a small amounts of it in some places.

[Ion Basescul]

Yes, but with this amount of East Asian it would make him almost fully Balkan Turk, which is very unlikely, I am pretty sure he would know if he was. In my opinion it is most likely from ancient Bulgars, because Dobruja is where they were in big amounts, so maybe some people carry not a small amounts of it in some places.

With his mom scoring regions in Turkey, anything ancient can be safely ruled out.

[Abriekman]

With his mom scoring regions in Turkey, anything ancient can be safely ruled out.

Why are 23andme regions so important for you? It should be taken like a similarity, for example almost every Pole can get Ukrainian, Russian regions without having ancestry from there, just because of genetic similarity, Balkanites also can have regions from other Balkan countries, than they are from. Bulgarian with this shift of course will have a lot of common with Anatolian Turks, because every Bulgarian has big percentage of ancient Anatolian/Thracian genetic + additionaly this individual has Central Asian.

Have you seen too much results from this region to be so sure, he isn't ethnic Bulgarian? Well, my Dobruja Bulgarian ancestry has also trace of something "exotic", it isn't Central Asian, but if we delete Eastern Eurasian in that guy we can get something Iranian/Kurdish-like, which also exists in my Dobruja Bulgarian ancestry, I think it is not coincidence, we just do not have many samples from some regions in Dobruja and you compare this individual to Bulgarians from other regions.

3/4 North Slavic 1/4 Dobruja Bulgarian

Target: Abriekman_mom_scaled
Distance: 2.5430% / 0.02542950
51.2 Ukrainian
22.6 Slovakian
19.8 Bulgarian
5.0 Iranian_Fars
1.4 Kurdish

[vbnetkhio]

Hey guys, I didn't forget about you.
We have 127 samples in the project that I've posted in this thread so far, and there are 148 more that I have gathered since then. I will update you soon. But from what I can see already, the average barely changes.


Could you make a Northwestern and Southwestern average only from samples you collected (without those results I sent you long ago)?

[Ion Basescul]

Could you make a Northwestern and Southwestern average only from samples you collected (without those results I sent you long ago)?

Your samples don't change much, because they are in minority anyway.
2 samples out of 27 (or 7%) for NW come from your sources.
6 of 31 (or 19%) for SW
So you can safely use what's on G25 already.

But the new averages that I haven't posted yet are:

NW - 48 samples

With your 2 samples
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Baltic
West_Med
West_Asian
East_Med
Red_Sea
South_Asian
East_Asian
Siberian
Amerindian
Oceanian
NE_African
Sub-Saharan


22.12
25.81
17.53
10.55
18.92
2.38
0.51
0.55
0.67
0.48
0.36
0.06
0.06

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Baltic
West_Med
West_Asian
East_Med
Red_Sea
South_Asian
East_Asian
Siberian
Amerindian
Oceanian
NE_African
Sub-Saharan


22.20
25.69
17.52
10.56
18.97
2.40
0.51
0.53
0.66
0.48
0.35
0.06
0.06

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SW - 56 samples

With your 6 samples
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Baltic
West_Med
West_Asian
East_Med
Red_Sea
South_Asian
East_Asian
Siberian
Amerindian
Oceanian
NE_African
Sub-Saharan


22.03
24.45
17.95
11.74
18.83
2.25
0.48
0.54
0.69
0.51
0.34
0.10
0.10

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Without
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N_Atlantic
Baltic
West_Med
West_Asian
East_Med
Red_Sea
South_Asian
East_Asian
Siberian
Amerindian
Oceanian
NE_African
Sub-Saharan


21.89
24.29
18.02
11.91
18.97
2.23
0.48
0.54
0.64
0.51
0.32
0.11
0.10

</tbody>
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[Ion Basescul]

Have you seen too much results from this region to be so sure, he isn't ethnic Bulgarian?

Yes, quite a lot actually, and the overwhelming majority score just Balkan. In the past up to about 10% West Asian was possible because components were not as balanced, but the same people nowadays have almost unanimously Balkan.

[vbnetkhio]

Your samples don't change much, because they are in minority anyway.
2 samples out of 27 (or 7%) for NW come from your sources.
6 of 31 (or 19%) for SW
So you can safely use what's on G25 already.

But the new averages that I haven't posted yet are:

NW - 48 samples

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Baltic
West_Med
West_Asian
East_Med
Red_Sea
South_Asian
East_Asian
Siberian
Amerindian
Oceanian
NE_African
Sub-Saharan


22.12
25.81
17.53
10.55
18.92
2.38
0.51
0.55
0.67
0.48
0.36
0.06
0.06

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Without
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Baltic
West_Med
West_Asian
East_Med
Red_Sea
South_Asian
East_Asian
Siberian
Amerindian
Oceanian
NE_African
Sub-Saharan


22.20
25.69
17.52
10.56
18.97
2.40
0.51
0.53
0.66
0.48
0.35
0.06
0.06

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SW - 56 samples

With your 6 samples
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Baltic
West_Med
West_Asian
East_Med
Red_Sea
South_Asian
East_Asian
Siberian
Amerindian
Oceanian
NE_African
Sub-Saharan


22.03
24.45
17.95
11.74
18.83
2.25
0.48
0.54
0.69
0.51
0.34
0.10
0.10

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Baltic
West_Med
West_Asian
East_Med
Red_Sea
South_Asian
East_Asian
Siberian
Amerindian
Oceanian
NE_African
Sub-Saharan


21.89
24.29
18.02
11.91
18.97
2.23
0.48
0.54
0.64
0.51
0.32
0.11
0.10

</tbody>
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Thanks! could you post the updated provincial averages from these 2 regions too?

[Ion Basescul]

Thanks! could you post the updated provincial averages from these 2 regions too?

Of course, I will get to them, but not today.

[vlrs-2]

Hey guys, I didn't forget about you.
We have 127 samples in the project that I've posted in this thread so far, and there are 148 more that I have gathered since then. I will update you soon. But from what I can see already, the average barely changes.

In the meantime, here are 48 Bulgarians from this region around Central Balkan mountains.

https://i.ibb.co/dB7m4mJ/image.png

CentralBalkans_average,20.59,24.51,17.90,11.98,19. 96,2.48,0.47,0.52,0.58,0.44,0.43,0.08,0.05[/code]

Do you know from which slope of the mountain are the samples? I've heard that there is a big difference between the two sides of the mountain although it might not be the case from what I see. Those from Teteven and Troyan should plot with Vratsa presumably.

[Ion Basescul]

Do you know from which slope of the mountain are the samples? I've heard that there is a big difference between the two sides of the mountain although it might not be the case from what I see. Those from Teteven and Troyan should plot with Vratsa presumably.

They are from this group: https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/central-balkan-mountains/about

[vlrs-2]

They are from this group: https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/central-balkan-mountains/about

Thank you. I see, so I guess most of these people are partially connected to the Balkan area and not fully local people, which might explain some of the results.

[Ion Basescul]

Thank you. I see, so I guess most of these people are partially connected to the Balkan area and not fully local people, which might explain some of the results.

They are all Bulgarians (I see the surnames on GEDmatch), and the results are consistent with others. You can email the guy for more details.

[vlrs-2]

They are all Bulgarians (I see the surnames on GEDmatch), and the results are consistent with others. You can email the guy for more details.

From what I've seen they should plot together with Vratsa, meaning that they should plot to the north of the national average. But only those from the northern side while those on the southern side should be similar to the national average. Anthropologically they are also distinct as they lack med types (popular in the plains and South Bulgaria) and are mainly dinaric and occasionally baltic.

[vlrs-2]

No idea how the website managed to replicate my comment twice.

[Ion Basescul]

From what I've seen they should plot together with Vratsa, meaning that they should plot to the north of the national average. But only those from the northern side while those on the southern side should be similar to the national average. Anthropologically they are also distinct as they lack med types (popular in the plains and South Bulgaria) and are mainly dinaric and occasionally baltic.

Even those in Vratsa are not homogeneous. I don't know what you've seen. Those hugging the Danube are identical to the Romanians on the other side, because those people are often descending from the same stock. Many people in NW Bulgaria were partially Romanian not long ago and many people in bordering counties from Romania have romanised Bulgarian surnames. They will have anywhere from 40% ish to 50% ish in the sum of North Atlantic+Baltic

[vlrs-2]

Even those in Vratsa are not homogeneous. I don't know what you've seen. Those hugging the Danube are identical to the Romanians on the other side, because those people are often descending from the same stock. Many people in NW Bulgaria were partially Romanian not long ago and many people in bordering counties from Romania have romanised Bulgarian surnames. They will have anywhere from 40% ish to 50% ish in the sum of North Atlantic+Baltic

The Romanian influence is situated just around the riverbank in 3-4 hotspots but considering most of NW Bulgaria which is also the plains to the South and also some mountain parts, there is no visible Romanian influence there. Usually, the modern descendants of the Romanians (called Vlachs here) still remember their origins. They are not fully assimilated but in the statistics, they sign as Bulgarian for the most part. Some are assimilated (I am an example). The likeness of the Southern Romanians and the Northern Bulgarians goes to the Medieval age when there was one country. My theory is that the Romanians would have ended up as South Slavs if the Bulgarian tsardom was able to retain Wallachia for another 200 years let say. Also, the two nations are made of the same elements - Slavs and Thracians and some other similar influences like Goths, Cumans and other elements that produced the same kind of blend and also the important influence of the Orthodox religion and the single state (for a certain period). In 17-19 centuries, Romania became a refuge for many Bulgarians. I was even able to find via MyHeritage a Romanian person related to me not by my Romanian side but by my Bulgarian side. I believe the Bulgarians added more to the similarities although there might have been some important Romanian influence back in the Medieval times, I believe this might have caused some changes in the Bulgarian language by the adoption of the analytism and the î sound.

[Sora]

Nice job! :O;)

This may take your interests;

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?353412-Whoa!-That-s-really-interesting!-I-guess-somethings-came-out-to-be-wrong

[Ion Basescul]

The Romanian influence is situated just around the riverbank in 3-4 hotspots but considering most of NW Bulgaria which is also the plains to the South and also some mountain parts, there is no visible Romanian influence there. Usually, the modern descendants of the Romanians (called Vlachs here) still remember their origins. They are not fully assimilated but in the statistics, they sign as Bulgarian for the most part. Some are assimilated (I am an example). The likeness of the Southern Romanians and the Northern Bulgarians goes to the Medieval age when there was one country. My theory is that the Romanians would have ended up as South Slavs if the Bulgarian tsardom was able to retain Wallachia for another 200 years let say. Also, the two nations are made of the same elements - Slavs and Thracians and some other similar influences like Goths, Cumans and other elements that produced the same kind of blend and also the important influence of the Orthodox religion and the single state (for a certain period). In 17-19 centuries, Romania became a refuge for many Bulgarians. I was even able to find via MyHeritage a Romanian person related to me not by my Romanian side but by my Bulgarian side. I believe the Bulgarians added more to the similarities although there might have been some important Romanian influence back in the Medieval times, I believe this might have caused some changes in the Bulgarian language by the adoption of the analytism and the î sound.

Don't forget the population exchange, which is relevant for SE Romania and NE Bulgaria.

[vlrs-2]

Hey @Ion, is it possible for you to post all the individual k13 results for the people from the different cities in Bulgaria? This would be interesting.

[Ion Basescul]

Hey @Ion, is it possible for you to post all the individual k13 results for the people from the different cities in Bulgaria? This would be interesting.

Sure, I will post once I'm at the computer (probably in the weekend).

[Ion Basescul]

For most I have just the province, since I didn't want to go as deep as with my research on Romanians, but here's where I know that the origin comes from towns/cities:

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Baltic
West_Med
West_Asian
East_Med
Red_Sea
South_Asian
East_Asian
Siberian
Amerindian
Oceanian
NE_African
Sub-Saharan


15.92
24.60
20.12
13.82
21.64
0.44
0.64
0.95
0.70
0
0.57
0
0.61


21.75
23.07
17.31
11.62
19.12
4.83
0
0
1.81
0
0
0.50
0


18.64
25.44
16.69
13.31
20.32
1.52
0.27
1.14
0.78
0.98
0.59
0.33
0


19.07
24.08
18.87
13.71
19.29
2.92
0
0
0.41
0.72
0.95
0
0

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N_Atlantic
Baltic
West_Med
West_Asian
East_Med
Red_Sea
South_Asian
East_Asian
Siberian
Amerindian
Oceanian
NE_African
Sub-Saharan


21.26
25.38
18.08
11.30
16.82
4.25
1.03
0
1.23
0.21
0.46
0
0

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[CommonSense]

A result from a reddit user. He only stated that his ancestors were from somewhere next to the Serbian border:




Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 26.34
2 Baltic 24.12
3 West_Med 18.16
4 East_Med 15.91
5 West_Asian 10.37
6 Red_Sea 2.31
7 Oceanian 1.36

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Romanian @ 3.570058
2 Serbian @ 4.338153
3 Bulgarian @ 6.543544
4 Moldavian @ 11.698593
5 Hungarian @ 13.008124
6 Croatian @ 14.445763
7 Greek_Thessaly @ 14.743159
8 Austrian @ 15.374390
9 North_Italian @ 16.219852
10 East_German @ 17.692507
11 Tuscan @ 17.733034
12 West_German @ 19.173864
13 French @ 19.337730
14 Italian_Abruzzo @ 20.597687
15 Portuguese @ 20.775339
16 South_Dutch @ 20.938099
17 Spanish_Galicia @ 21.291033
18 Ukrainian_Lviv @ 21.919783
19 Spanish_Extremadura @ 22.120909
20 Spanish_Cataluna @ 22.180609

[CommonSense]

Troyan + Stara Zagora




Kit AZ2489226

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 28.59
2 Baltic 23
3 East_Med 18.17
4 West_Asian 14.29
5 West_Med 12.52
6 Red_Sea 0.81
7 Siberian 0.76
8 Northeast_African 0.71
9 East_Asian 0.63
10 Oceanian 0.53

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Romanian 6.48
2 Serbian 7.14
3 Bulgarian 8.3
4 Hungarian 12.38
5 Moldavian 12.94
6 Austrian 14.41
7 Greek_Thessaly 14.48
8 Croatian 15.07
9 West_German 16.55
10 East_German 16.74
11 North_Italian 17.12
12 Tuscan 17.37
13 Italian_Abruzzo 17.91
14 French 18.06
15 South_Dutch 18.43
16 Central_Greek 20.05
17 West_Sicilian 20.48
18 South_Polish 20.94
19 Portuguese 20.97
20 Ukrainian_Lviv 21.05

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 73.7% Austrian + 26.3% Assyrian @ 3.51
2 73.8% Austrian + 26.2% Georgian_Jewish @ 3.85
3 74.4% Austrian + 25.6% Iranian_Jewish @ 3.87
4 74.7% Austrian + 25.3% Kurdish_Jewish @ 3.9
5 70.6% East_German + 29.4% Assyrian @ 3.95
6 74% Austrian + 26% Armenian @ 4
7 77.1% Hungarian + 22.9% Armenian @ 4.09
8 71.6% East_German + 28.4% Kurdish_Jewish @ 4.26
9 69% Austrian + 31% Turkish @ 4.28
10 77.1% Hungarian + 22.9% Assyrian @ 4.31
11 71.4% East_German + 28.6% Iranian_Jewish @ 4.31
12 74.1% Austrian + 25.9% Lebanese_Druze @ 4.32
13 70.8% East_German + 29.2% Georgian_Jewish @ 4.43
14 70.9% East_German + 29.1% Armenian @ 4.48
15 72.6% Hungarian + 27.4% Turkish @ 4.5
16 71% East_German + 29% Lebanese_Druze @ 4.52
17 78% Hungarian + 22% Kurdish_Jewish @ 4.57
18 77.3% Hungarian + 22.7% Georgian_Jewish @ 4.6
19 77.8% Hungarian + 22.2% Iranian_Jewish @ 4.66
20 72.4% Austrian + 27.6% Lebanese_Muslim @ 4.69

[NdvBal]

A Bulgarian with ancestry from Smolyan and Varna (The kit has a gedcom)

Kit BA3001815

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 23.27
2 North_Atlantic 21.72
3 Baltic 21.44
4 West_Med 18.56
5 West_Asian 11.96
6 Siberian 1.91
7 Amerindian 0.55
8 South_Asian 0.52
9 Oceanian 0.08

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Bulgarian 4.39
2 Romanian 6.32
3 Greek_Thessaly 7.01
4 Serbian 10.5
5 Italian_Abruzzo 13.24
6 Tuscan 13.25
7 Central_Greek 13.5
8 West_Sicilian 14.69
9 East_Sicilian 14.95
10 North_Italian 15.07
11 Moldavian 16.09
12 Ashkenazi 16.18
13 South_Italian 17.6
14 Hungarian 18.35
15 Croatian 19
16 Austrian 20.88
17 Portuguese 21.87
18 French 22.56
19 Spanish_Extremadura 22.71
20 Spanish_Galicia 22.81

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 85.1% Bulgarian + 14.9% South_Italian @ 3.18
2 88.3% Bulgarian + 11.7% Italian_Jewish @ 3.18
3 84.2% Bulgarian + 15.8% Ashkenazi @ 3.22
4 68% Bulgarian + 32% Greek_Thessaly @ 3.28
5 83.1% Bulgarian + 16.9% West_Sicilian @ 3.29
6 82.1% Bulgarian + 17.9% Central_Greek @ 3.33
7 89% Bulgarian + 11% Sephardic_Jewish @ 3.33
8 81.8% Bulgarian + 18.2% Italian_Abruzzo @ 3.33
9 89% Bulgarian + 11% Algerian_Jewish @ 3.34
10 84.1% Bulgarian + 15.9% East_Sicilian @ 3.42
11 91.4% Bulgarian + 8.6% Cyprian @ 3.48
12 90.9% Bulgarian + 9.1% Tunisian_Jewish @ 3.48
13 92.9% Bulgarian + 7.1% Lebanese_Druze @ 3.52
14 91.4% Bulgarian + 8.6% Libyan_Jewish @ 3.56
15 53.6% Romanian + 46.4% Greek_Thessaly @ 3.57
16 75.2% Romanian + 24.8% Ashkenazi @ 3.59
17 83.7% Bulgarian + 16.3% Tuscan @ 3.61
18 84.5% Romanian + 15.5% Cyprian @ 3.64
19 93.6% Bulgarian + 6.4% Lebanese_Christian @ 3.65
20 77% Romanian + 23% South_Italian @ 3.7

Vahaduo distances (updated spreadsheet):

BA3001815,21.72,21.44,18.56,11.96,23.27,0,0.52,0,1 .91,0.55,0.08,0,0

Distance to: BA3001815
3.17531101 Greek_Florina
3.42947518 Greek_Thrace
3.76248588 Aromanian
3.78452111 Macedonian_North
3.84528282 Macedonian_South
4.52345001 Albanian_Montenegro
4.66631546 Gagauz
4.67297550 Bulgarian_Southcentral
4.75528127 Macedonian_Central
5.01866516 Bulgarian_Southeastern
5.08795637 Bulgarian_Moldova
5.28468542 Bulgarian_Northeastern
5.30344228 Turkish_Macedonia
5.35359692 Bulgarian_Northcentral
5.73527680 Albanian_Macedonia
5.74458876 Greek_Epirus
5.75734314 Albanian_Kosovo
6.02179375 Greek_CentralMacedonia
6.03226326 Bulgarian_Southwestern
6.19657970 Romanian_Muntenia
6.21461181 Torbesh
6.28581737 Greek_West
6.28931634 Albanian_North_Albania
6.36018868 Pomak_Bulgaria
6.55212942 Greek_Thessaly

[pelikarski]

My results. SW Bulgarian
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 26.06
2 North_Atlantic 25.3
3 West_Med 16.12
4 East_Med 13.8
5 West_Asian 12.76
6 Siberian 2.13
7 Red_Sea 1.93
8 South_Asian 1.21
9 East_Asian 0.46
10 Amerindian 0.23

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Serbian 4.24
2 Romanian 4.54
3 Bulgarian 7.03
4 Moldavian 7.94
5 Hungarian 10.27
6 Croatian 10.93
7 Austrian 13.03
8 East_German 14.75
9 Greek_Thessaly 15.04
10 Ukrainian_Lviv 17.06
11 West_German 17.39
12 South_Polish 17.79
13 North_Italian 17.83
14 Ukrainian 18.52
15 French 18.71
16 South_Dutch 18.9
17 Tuscan 18.95
18 Italian_Abruzzo 20.29
19 Tatar 21.26
20 Portuguese 21.4

[Abriekman]

My results. SW Bulgarian

Wow, your East Med is very low for a Bulgarian