Is EEF/Anatolian Farmer a mix of ENF and WHG?

[Maguzanci]

Is it mostly ENF with substantial WHG admixture? Or does it have some CHG as well? Also what populations in G25 are pure ENF(s)? Levant_Natufian and Levant_PPNC?

Sorry for asking this but I am pretty much a noob in European genetics.

I know the fits are horrible, but I am genuine curious. Does this give a good idea?

Target: TUR_Barcin_N
Distance: 11.6686% / 0.11668577
82.2 Levant_PPNC
9.6 WHG
8.2 GEO_CHG

Target: TUR_Barcin_N
Distance: 18.6155% / 0.18615505
65.0 Levant_Natufian
22.8 GEO_CHG
12.2 WHG

[Maguzanci]

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[SharpFork]

ENF are EEF and are Anatolian Farmers, there is no difference. The ENF absorbed some WHG as they migrated further and further north and west but essentially the original population was mostly derived from Pinarbasi Hunter-Gatherers in Anatolia which I believe are mostly Dzuduana themselves, at least that's our best understanding.

[Maguzanci]

ENF are EEF and are Anatolian Farmers, there is no difference. The ENF absorbed some WHG as they migrated further and further north and west but essentially the original population was mostly derived from Pinarbasi Hunter-Gatherers in Anatolia which I believe are mostly Dzuduana themselves, at least that's our best understanding.

I see. So my understanding that Anatolian farmers= ENF+WHG or that ENF/EEF is Natufian/MENA-like is wrong?

What would the be the pure ENF (no WHG admix) samples in G25? Pinarbasi?

Target: TUR_Pinarbasi_HG
Distance: 11.8938% / 0.11893768
78.8 Levant_PPNC
11.2 WHG
6.8 Baltic_LTU_Meso
3.2 GEO_CHG

Target: TUR_Pinarbasi_HG
Distance: 18.3169% / 0.18316873
62.0 Levant_Natufian
20.2 WHG
17.8 GEO_CHG

[PaleoEuropean]

I see. So my understanding that Anatolian farmers= ENF+WHG or that ENF/EEF is Natufian/MENA-like is wrong?

What would the be the pure ENF (no WHG admix) samples in G25? Pinarbasi?

Target: TUR_Pinarbasi_HG
Distance: 11.8938% / 0.11893768
78.8 Levant_PPNC
11.2 WHG
6.8 Baltic_LTU_Meso
3.2 GEO_CHG

Target: TUR_Pinarbasi_HG
Distance: 18.3169% / 0.18316873
62.0 Levant_Natufian
20.2 WHG
17.8 GEO_CHG

I imagine most would have WHG as there would have been diffusion of WHG's southward as you can find in Iran and in Armenia/Central Asia with their native I haplogroup lines.

[Maguzanci]

I imagine most would have WHG as there would have been diffusion of WHG's southward as you can find in Iran and in Armenia/Central Asia with their native I haplogroup lines.

Ye, I also heard of there were different type of WHGs which can be found in the Near East as well.

Anyway, it makes me wonder if Levant_Natufian and Levant_PPNC act best as the proxy for pure Early Neolithic Farmer in Global 25?

[PaleoEuropean]

Ye, I also heard of there were different type of WHGs which can be found in the Near East as well.

Anyway, it makes me wonder if Levant_Natufian and Levant_PPNC act best as the proxy for pure Early Neolithic Farmer in Global 25?

If I remember correctly Natufians had a fair amount of CHG

[happycow]

If I remember correctly Natufians had a fair amount of CHG

Gedmatch results of a natufian:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?239206-Gedmatch-results-of-a-Natufian

[TheOldNorth]

Well it could be that they are more mixed with a less defined hunter gather group native to the Balkans, as the WHGs came out of the Iberian Refugia, and the ANE where in Siberia, the Balkan refugia hunter gatherers must have mixed with the ENF, and of course there’s the fact that the ENF are a mix of Nautufians and Anatolian hunter gatherers, I don’t know who the AHG would be related to but that could help explain it.

[Narration]

EEF/Anatolian Farmer is 30-38% WHG and 62-70% Natufian, AFAIK.

[Ajeje Brazorf]

EEF = 54.4% CHG + 24.2% Taforalt + 21.4% WHG

[Maguzanci]

EEF/Anatolian Farmer is 30-38% WHG and 62-70% Natufian, AFAIK.

But i heard natufian has a lot of tarofalt/ANA?

Why do people continued to use mixed pops like Anatolian Farmer when they could use Natufian and WHG instead to model European?

So it looks like EEF has a lot of ancient European admix (WHG)?

[WeirdLookingFellow]

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-019-09209-7

Accordingly, we find that Iron Gates HG can be modeled as a three-way mixture of Near-Eastern hunter-gatherers (25.8 ± 5.0 % AHG or 11.1 ± 2.2 % Natufian), WHG (62.9 ± 7.4% or 78.0 ± 4.6%, respectively) and EHG (11.3 ± 3.3% or 10.9 ± 3%, respectively)

Interestingly, while we observe a continued presence of the AHG-related gene pool throughout the studied period, a pattern of genetic interactions with neighboring regions is evident from as early as the Late Pleistocene and early Holocene. In addition to the local genetic contribution from earlier Anatolian populations, Anatolian Aceramic farmers inherit about 10% of their genes from a gene pool related to the Neolithic Iran/Caucasus while later ACF derive about 20% of their genes from another distinct gene pool related to the Neolithic Levant.

Conclusion: you can't simply replace Anatolian with WHG and Natufian.

[Narration]

But i heard natufian has a lot of tarofalt/ANA?

Why do people continued to use mixed pops like Anatolian Farmer when they could use Natufian and WHG instead to model European?

So it looks like EEF has a lot of ancient European admix (WHG)?

Not sure but I think it is because Europeans do not have direct Natufian ancestry. In other words, Natufians might have migrated to Europe after mixing with WHG.