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Peterski
10-06-2020, 03:49 AM
I averaged the results of samples with Slavic results from the Viking study, but only those from the Baltic Sea area (including North Poland).

And this average will be called VK_NorthwestSlavic (it can probably represent well Medieval Slavic tribes from the so called Lechitic group).

Eurogenes K13:

I have two versions for each sample, there are small differences:

"a" = results from files published on Anthrogenica
"b" = results from files that I converted from BAMs


Sample,NorthAtlantic,Baltic,WestMed,WestAsian,East Med,RedSea,SouthAsian,EastAsian,Siberian,Amerindia n,Oceanian,NortheastAfrican,SubSaharan
VK157a_Bodzia,37.32,44.98,8.77,0,1.21,4.22,0.7,0,0 ,0.78,0.85,0.6,0.57
VK157b_Bodzia,35.83,43.49,9.43,1.67,1.64,3.4,0.81, 0,0.16,1.16,0.98,0.18,1.25
VK212a_Cedynia,29.2,49.4,8.82,5,2.13,0.2,1.77,0,1. 04,0,0.24,1.79,0.42
VK212b_Cedynia,29.02,49.77,9.02,4.57,2.56,0.12,1.1 9,0,1.16,0,0.25,1.76,0.58
VK156a_Bodzia,34.65,43.28,9.62,3.13,5.11,0,0,0,0.8 1,2.01,0.98,0,0.4
VK156b_Bodzia,35.34,42.47,8.82,3.62,5.03,0,0,0.31, 1.36,1.9,0.91,0,0.23
VK474a_Gotland,32.95,44.29,9.48,3.42,5.59,0.28,0.1 8,0,0.59,0.81,1.65,0,0.76
VK474b_Gotland,32.28,44.68,9.18,3.35,4.51,1.29,0.6 9,0,0.09,1.28,1.64,0.09,0.92
VK139a_Funen,26.17,50.28,9.09,1.44,7.49,0.38,0.21, 0,0,2.11,0.94,0.55,1.33
VK139b_Funen,25.63,50.09,9.35,2.17,6.5,0.68,0.72,0 ,0,1.96,0.79,0.78,1.32
VK340a_Jutland,28.6,43.79,11.33,4.03,6.3,0.12,3.6, 0,0.42,0.15,0,1.25,0.41
VK340b_Jutland,29.18,44.17,9.8,5.06,6.3,0,3.49,0,0 .44,0.16,0,1.41,0
VK53a_Gotland,31.28,40.33,13.71,3.74,5.76,0.03,0,1 .13,0.18,0.55,0.95,0.87,1.47
VK53b_Gotland,30.83,40.93,14.13,3.56,5.24,0.14,0,1 .23,0.74,0.14,0.85,0.41,1.79
VK453a_Gotland,32.49,42.85,8.85,3.26,3.51,2.68,0,0 ,1.02,0,1.61,3.73,0
VK453b_Gotland,30.73,45.34,8.5,3.69,2.57,2.78,0,0, 1.13,0,1.59,3.68,0
VK287a_Langeland,28.05,43.88,8.79,7.09,8,0,1.56,0. 44,1.3,0.39,0.27,0.23,0
VK287b_Langeland,27,44.27,9.39,7.46,7.63,0,1.66,0. 21,1.37,0.47,0.49,0.06,0
VK309a_Skara,31.83,50.02,9.09,2.12,1.75,2.95,0,0.5 5,0,0,0.97,0,0.71
VK309b_Skara,32.09,49.05,9.46,2.78,1.47,2.71,0,0.4 1,0.1,0,1.19,0,0.72

K13 average:


VK_NorthwestSlavic,31.02,45.37,9.73,3.56,4.52,1.10 ,0.83,0.21,0.60,0.69,0.86,0.87,0.64

https://i.imgur.com/9PlJxuP.png

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Eurogenes K15:

"a" = results from files published on Anthrogenica
"b" = results from files that I converted from BAMs


Sample,NorthSea,Atlantic,Baltic,EasternEuro,WestMe d,WestAsian,EastMed,RedSea,SouthAsian,SoutheastAsi an,Siberian,Amerindian,Oceanian,NortheastAfrican,S ubSaharan
VK157a_Bodzia,26.43,21.97,26.87,17.68,2.76,0,0,2.9 7,0,0,0,0.09,0.41,0.42,0.39
VK157b_Bodzia,24.53,22.79,26.11,17.51,3.7,0.43,0,2 .61,0,0,0,0.61,0.56,0,1.14
VK212a_Cedynia,17.22,18.23,35.59,20.46,3.35,2.16,0 .05,0,1.17,0,0,0,0.07,1.4,0.31
VK212b_Cedynia,16.98,18.9,35.76,20.06,3.41,1.87,0. 36,0,0.78,0,0,0,0.12,1.18,0.56
VK156a_Bodzia,27.44,17.51,25.63,18.19,5.72,0.71,2. 69,0,0,0,0,1.47,0.5,0,0.13
VK156b_Bodzia,28.47,17.41,25.55,16.78,5.08,1.41,2. 62,0,0,0,0.75,1.43,0.5,0,0
VK474a_Gotland,24.24,16.96,27.06,20.32,6.06,1.33,1 .78,0.05,0,0,0,0.3,1.39,0,0.51
VK474b_Gotland,24.39,16.53,27.56,19.37,5.8,1.66,0. 99,0.94,0,0,0,0.62,1.39,0,0.74
VK139a_Funen,20.49,15.95,29.21,23.54,5.82,0.36,0.8 7,0.75,0,0,0,0.7,0.62,0.67,1
VK139b_Funen,19.78,16.02,29.01,23.98,5.89,0.69,0.3 ,1.12,0,0,0,0.65,0.53,0.76,1.27
VK340a_Jutland,21.56,15.27,30.25,16.82,7.13,2.67,2 .42,0,2.35,0,0,0,0,0.94,0.58
VK340b_Jutland,23.07,14.49,30.59,16.44,5.87,4,1.92 ,0,2.34,0,0,0,0,1.26,0.02
VK53a_Gotland,16.43,25.17,25.46,16.77,8.67,3.31,0. 88,0,0,0.28,0,0.13,0.73,1.16,1.01
VK53b_Gotland,16.26,25.07,25.71,16.69,9.09,3.41,0. 31,0.2,0,0.56,0.07,0,0.62,0.5,1.5
VK453a_Gotland,20.75,18.24,31.51,14.11,4.22,1.94,3 .05,0.67,0,0,0.21,0,1.43,3.87,0
VK453b_Gotland,18.94,18.25,33.96,14.93,3.37,2.29,1 .85,0.97,0,0,0.2,0,1.46,3.78,0
VK287a_Langeland,20.61,17.12,29.32,16.2,4.67,7.22, 2.95,0,0.94,0,0.63,0.04,0.29,0,0
VK287b_Langeland,20.68,16.05,30.16,15.83,5.11,7.53 ,2.59,0,0.92,0,0.57,0.1,0.45,0,0
VK309a_Skara,30.19,8.32,30.35,22.1,6.81,0,0,1.66,0 ,0,0,0,0.43,0,0.15
VK309b_Skara,29.47,9.54,29.23,22.42,6.94,0,0,1.47, 0,0,0,0,0.7,0,0.22

K15 average:


VK_NorthwestSlavic,22.40,17.49,29.24,18.51,5.47,2. 15,1.28,0.67,0.43,0.04,0.12,0.31,0.61,0.80,0.48

https://i.imgur.com/bf9JQMr.png

Pine
10-06-2020, 04:08 AM
How were the ancient samples determined to be pure Slavs?

Peterski
10-06-2020, 04:24 AM
How were the ancient samples determined to be pure Slavs?

This is from Supplementary Table 6., modified by me (I added columns "Eastern TOTAL", which is Polish+Finnish; and "Prediction" - which is my prediction based on distances):

https://i.imgur.com/tOZp54H.png

^^^
But not all samples are included in Table 6. Here my predcitions based on distances to modern populations for the ones that are not included (VK212, VK287, VK453 & VK309):

Distance to: VK287 Denmark_Kaargarden Grav BS
0.96680091 PL_Wielkopolskie
1.01741584 PL_Podkarpackie
1.05006714 PL_Kujawsko-Pomorskie
1.07549338 PL_Pomorskie-Kashubia
1.07559239 RUS_Oryol
1.09150447 PL_Lubelskie
1.10127835 RUS_Voronezh
1.10858108 Lusatian_Sorbs
(...)

Distance to: VK453 Gotland_Kopparsvik-134
0.89712485 PL_Podlaskie
0.93600534 PL_Mazowieckie
1.00985940 PL_Pomorskie-Kashubia
1.02623730 PL_Suwalki
1.06060266 PL_Lubelskie
1.08568688 PL_Wielkopolskie
(...)

Distance to: VK309 Sweden_Skara 53
0.90758195 PL_Pomorskie-Kashubia
1.03334215 PL_Mazowieckie
1.07304567 PL_Wielkopolskie
1.08576655 PL_Warmia-Masuria
1.13357444 Lusatian_Sorbs
1.17990169 PL_Podlaskie
1.18399578 PL_Kujawsko-Pomorskie
(...)

Distance to: VK212 Poland_Cedynia gr. 558
1.08892378 RUS_Smolensk
1.11219917 BY_Vitebsk
1.13454793 BY_Minsk
1.20253108 RUS_Moscow
1.22824997 RUS_Pskov
1.25892772 LT_Lithuania-Alytus
1.26625313 UA_Kharkiv
1.26791956 BY_Grodno
(...)

Sandomierz, Cracow and Czersk VK samples are also Slavic but not from Northern Poland (maybe except the one from Czersk, but this one is low quality).

And East Slavic samples - such as VK160 and VK541 - were also excluded from this average (just like South Polish ones).

Peterski
10-06-2020, 04:30 AM
For comparison VK475, which is Baltic not Slavic, gets such distances in my analysis:

Distance to: VK475 Gotland_Kopparsvik-187
0.46395905 LV_Latvia-Riga
0.50050375 LT_Lithuania-Siauliai
0.50383033 LV_Latvia
0.51091389 LT_Lithuania-Mazeikiai
0.52916349 LT_Lithuania-Klaipeda
0.58399315 LT_Lithuania-Utena
0.61119637 LT_Lithuania-Panevezys
0.61841653 LT_Lithuania-Kaunas
0.66650581 LV_Latvia-Cesis
(...)

Peterski
10-06-2020, 04:44 AM
VK274 and VK254 look like Southern Slavs (Slovenian and Croatian respectively). Or they could be some weird mixes.

VK542 from Chernigov looks like a southern-shifted but still Northern Slav (Carpathian Rusyn or Slovak for example).

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Attachment, Table S6. sorted by "Polish-like" admixture:

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VK56 looks like a Finn from Ingria; VK51 looks Estonian.

Peterski
10-06-2020, 06:00 AM
This is K36 for VK474 (a = from files published on Anthrogenica and b = my own conversion):

Sample VK474a
Amerindian 0
Arabian 0
Armenian 0
Basque 2.08
Central African 0
Central Euro 9.19
East African 0
East Asian 0
East Balkan 10.16
East Central Asian 0
East Central Euro 23.47
East Med 0
Eastern Euro 15.41
Fennoscandian 14.28
French 6.97
Iberian 4.85
Indo-Chinese 0
Italian 0
Malayan 0
Near Eastern 0
North African 0
North Atlantic 4.58
North Caucasian 0
North Sea 8.59
Northeast African 0
Oceanian 0.42
Omotic 0
Pygmy 0
Siberian 0
South Asian 0
South Central Asian 0
South Chinese 0
Volga-Ural 0
West African 0
West Caucasian 0
West Med 0

Sample VK474b
Amerindian 0
Arabian 0
Armenian 0
Basque 1.99
Central African 0.27
Central Euro 8.37
East African 0
East Asian 0
East Balkan 8.27
East Central Asian 0
East Central Euro 24.76
East Med 0
Eastern Euro 15.61
Fennoscandian 14.39
French 7.88
Iberian 5.42
Indo-Chinese 0
Italian 0
Malayan 0
Near Eastern 0
North African 0
North Atlantic 5.98
North Caucasian 0
North Sea 6.41
Northeast African 0
Oceanian 0.65
Omotic 0
Pygmy 0
Siberian 0
South Asian 0
South Central Asian 0
South Chinese 0
Volga-Ural 0
West African 0
West Caucasian 0
West Med 0

Looks Slavic, closest to Mazovia at 88 [from my conversion closest to Grodno Oblast at 90]:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mazovia

https://i.imgur.com/rmlmx9w.png

Jana
10-06-2020, 07:35 AM
Fantastic work, Peterski! :thumbsup:

Peterski
10-06-2020, 12:20 PM
Fantastic work, Peterski! :thumbsup:

Do you think any other samples from the Baltic Sea region were also Slavic? Or did I already include all of them?

VK454 also looks Slavic IMO.


How were the ancient samples determined to be pure Slavs?

The ones with >50% "Polish-like" & >80% "Polish"+"Finnish" but <25% "Finnish" in Table S6, cluster with modern North Slavic populations. Makes sense.

Interesting that due to the lack of "Lithuanian-like" component used in the analysis by scientists, Balts score "Polish"+"Finnish", including >30% "Finnish".

Lexx
10-06-2020, 01:27 PM
This is K36 for VK474 (a = from files published on Anthrogenica and b = my own conversion):

Looks Slavic, closest to Mazovia at 88 [from my conversion closest to Grodno Oblast at 90]:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mazovia

https://i.imgur.com/rmlmx9w.png


This proves further Albanians aren't that Slavic influenced, only 36 match, which is roughly same as Iberia for example or parts of Italy. This is why we cannot take those Ancient Balkan samples serious by their autosomal so far.


What proves further an Illyrian origin to me is the Vlach-Albanian symbiosis and that the Vlach-Romanians-Aromanians seem to of come somewhere from the central Balkans / Dardania from Romanised Illyrians where they lived next to Albanians. Some of them also match Albanians by Y-DNA I saw now posted on another forum, some J2b2 clades match Albanians with a TMRCA roughly within the last 1000 years, that's supposedly around when Romanians migrated into Romania or when the Vlachs split. The ones who aren't as Slavic influenced also cluster like Albanians. There are also Ancient-Greek loan words in Albanians which shows there was a pre-Roman contact with ancient Greeks while Latin influence suggests an origin north of the Jirecek. Which would roughly mean a region of Dardania / Northern Albania.

MandM
10-06-2020, 01:45 PM
K13
Distance to: Milenko
20.08270898 VK53a_Gotland
20.38503618 VK53b_Gotland
20.96734366 VK287b_Langeland
21.25084469 VK287a_Langeland
21.59145664 VK340a_Jutland
22.45960151 VK340b_Jutland
24.84336934 VK474a_Gotland
24.85981094 VK_NorthwestSlavic
25.18038125 VK453a_Gotland
25.26637687 VK474b_Gotland
25.36942451 VK156a_Bodzia
25.56442646 VK156b_Bodzia
26.36203520 VK453b_Gotland
26.56974407 VK139b_Funen
26.88780951 VK139a_Funen
27.99293840 VK157b_Bodzia
28.21362260 VK212a_Cedynia
28.24226974 VK212b_Cedynia
29.37791007 VK309b_Skara
30.11560559 VK309a_Skara
30.53784865 VK157a_Bodzia

K15
Distance to: Milenko
20.36497729 VK287a_Langeland
20.57681948 VK287b_Langeland
20.64566783 VK53a_Gotland
20.78960558 VK53b_Gotland
21.02843075 VK340a_Jutland
22.20445901 VK340b_Jutland
22.59931415 VK474a_Gotland
22.93757834 VK474b_Gotland
23.39422578 VK453a_Gotland
23.42461312 VK156a_Bodzia
23.80632269 VK139a_Funen
23.82650625 VK139b_Funen
23.93773590 VK156b_Bodzia
25.18946605 VK453b_Gotland
25.65623316 VK157b_Bodzia
27.09725632 VK157a_Bodzia
27.15658115 VK212a_Cedynia
27.17884839 VK212b_Cedynia
27.66943982 VK309b_Skara
28.69698068 VK309a_Skara

Leto
10-06-2020, 05:07 PM
Fairly close to modern Poles.