Is it possible that I have Azeri ancestry?

[Kerem_turc]

This is my Docedad K12b



4.82260303 Talysh_Azerbaijan
5.27365149 Zaza
5.56687525 Kurd_Sorani
5.72839419 Kurd_KAZ
5.83499786 Kurd_Kurmanji
7.20417934 Lur_Iran
7.28322044 Iranian
7.30072599 Turkmen_Iraq
7.33113907 Azerbaijani_Iran
8.01932042 Udi_Azerbaijan
8.65245052 Azerbaijani_Turkey
8.71616315 Azerbaijani
9.63536714 Iranian_Fars
9.94253489 Turk_East
10.52090776 Iran_Mazandaran
10.62646696 Turk_Southeast
10.76108731 Iraqi_Baghdad
11.28189700 Azeri_Jew
11.48255634 Mandean
11.86142909 Iranian_Jew
12.07065036 Assyrian_North
12.34833997 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
12.40773952 Armenian_East
12.42563882 Assyrian_South
12.95797824 Assyrian_West

Distance: 0.2317% / 0.23170859
39.4 Georgian_Imereti
17.8 Iran_Mazandaran
9.6 Saudis
8.8 Nuristani
4.8 Avar_Dagestan
4.4 Balochi
4.0 Yemen_Jews
3.2 Armenian_East
2.2 Georgia_Jews
2.2 Georgian_Gurian
1.8 Georgian_Adjara
0.8 Somali
0.4 Dargin
0.4 Nganassan
0.2 Iyengar

Distance: 2.1507% / 2.15068592 | ADC: 0.25x
44.6 Talysh_Azerbaijan
20.8 Kurd_Sorani
14.2 Iran_Mazandaran
13.6 Abkhazian
6.8 Yemen_Jews

[Dr_Maul]

Put Dodecad K12b.

[Kyp]

1. Post full results. All Kurds/Zazas are close to Azerbaijanis on distance. Note: Talysh are not Azeri. They are a NW-Iranic group similar to Kurds, although their origin is a bit different from those of Kurds. They are neighbours of Azeris same way as Kurds are.
2. Why would you have? Is there any indication for it? Family history, names, genealogy?
3. Did Azeris live in your families area/villages?

[Kerem_turc]

Put Dodecad K12b.

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasus 42.63
2 Gedrosia 23.26
3 Southwest_Asian 15.31
4 North_European 7.91
5 Atlantic_Med 4.28
6 South_Asian 3.97
7 East_African 1.15
8 Siberian 1.08
9 Northwest_African 0.42

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Kurds (Yunusbayev) 6.13
2 Iranian (Dodecad) 6.75
3 Kurd (Dodecad) 6.81
4 Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) 7.15
5 Iranians (Behar) 9.61
6 Turks (Behar) 11.88
7 Georgia_Jews (Behar) 12.54
8 Azerbaijan_Jews (Behar) 12.98
9 Iranian_Jews (Behar) 13.19
10 Assyrian (Dodecad) 13.65
11 Armenians_15 (Yunusbayev) 14.45
12 Turkish (Dodecad) 14.51
13 Iraq_Jews (Behar) 14.95
14 Armenian (Dodecad) 15.57
15 Kumyks (Yunusbayev) 16.93
16 Lebanese (Behar) 17.03
17 Turkmens (Yunusbayev) 18.59
18 Armenians (Behar) 18.87
19 Syrians (Behar) 18.94
20 Druze (HGDP) 19.51

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 76.8% Georgia_Jews (Behar) + 23.2% Pathan (HGDP) @ 3.22
2 87% Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) + 13% Pathan (HGDP) @ 3.86
3 78.7% Georgia_Jews (Behar) + 21.3% Burusho (HGDP) @ 3.87
4 80.3% Georgia_Jews (Behar) + 19.7% Jatt (Dodecad) @ 3.89
5 52.2% Iranian (Dodecad) + 47.8% Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) @ 4.02
6 88.2% Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) + 11.8% Burusho (HGDP) @ 4.07
7 83.1% Iranian (Dodecad) + 16.9% Samaritians (Behar) @ 4.09
8 83.7% Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) + 16.3% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) @ 4.18
9 89.4% Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) + 10.6% Jatt (Dodecad) @ 4.21
10 71.7% Georgia_Jews (Behar) + 28.3% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) @ 4.23
11 69.2% Iranian (Dodecad) + 30.8% Georgia_Jews (Behar) @ 4.25
12 78.6% Iranian (Dodecad) + 21.4% Druze (HGDP) @ 4.33
13 76.4% Iranian (Dodecad) + 23.6% Lebanese (Behar) @ 4.45
14 79% Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) + 21% Lezgins (Behar) @ 4.53
15 91% Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) + 9% Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh (Metspalu) @ 4.61
16 76.8% Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) + 23.2% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) @ 4.64
17 83% Iranian (Dodecad) + 17% Palestinian (HGDP) @ 4.67
18 79.2% Iranian (Dodecad) + 20.8% Syrians (Behar) @ 4.71
19 90.4% Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) + 9.6% Sindhi (HGDP) @ 4.72
20 74.8% Iranian (Dodecad) + 25.2% Iraq_Jews (Behar) @ 4.78

[Kerem_turc]

1. Post full results. All Kurds/Zazas are close to Azerbaijanis on distance. Note: Talysh are not Azeri. They are a NW-Iranic group similar to Kurds, although their origin is a bit different from those of Kurds. They are neighbours of Azeris same way as Kurds are.
2. Why would you have? Is there any indication for it? Family history, names, genealogy?
3. Did Azeris live in your families area/villages?

because my maternal grandmother and her ancestors come from the north of Iran I thought directly of the Azeris

[Kerem_turc]

1. Post full results. All Kurds/Zazas are close to Azerbaijanis on distance. Note: Talysh are not Azeri. They are a NW-Iranic group similar to Kurds, although their origin is a bit different from those of Kurds. They are neighbours of Azeris same way as Kurds are.
2. Why would you have? Is there any indication for it? Family history, names, genealogy?
3. Did Azeris live in your families area/villages?

because my maternal grandmother and her ancestors come from the north of Iran I thought directly of the Azeris

[Kyp]

because my maternal grandmother and her ancestors come from the north of Iran I thought directly of the Azeris

From where?

Look for Iranian matches on Gedmatch

[Dr_Maul]

Admix Results (sorted):


Thanks. I don't see you with Azeri ancestry tbh. Your mongoloid is basically 0. You might have distant Azeri Jewish ancestry, you have high Caucasian and slightly higher SW Asian.

[Kerem_turc]

From where?

Look for Iranian matches on Gedmatch

I don't no

Iranian matches ? Which ?

[Kerem_turc]

Thanks. I don't see you with Azeri ancestry tbh. Your mongoloid is basically 0. You might have distant Azeri Jewish ancestry, you have high Caucasian and slightly higher SW Asian.

Caucasian does that mean Caucasus? it could very well be Anatolia

[Dr_Maul]

Caucasian does that mean Caucasus? it could very well be Anatolia

Yes, from the Caucasus area mainly Georgia, Armenia etc.

[Halgurd]

# Population Percent
1 Caucasus 42.63
2 Gedrosia 23.26
3 Southwest_Asian 15.31
4 North_European 7.91
5 Atlantic_Med 4.28
6 South_Asian 3.97
7 East_African 1.15
8 Siberian 1.08
9 Northwest_African 0.42

Your results are in the normal Kurdish range. Here are mine for comparison:

# Population Percent
1 Caucasus 40.39
2 Gedrosia 24.51
3 Southwest_Asian 14.22
4 Atlantic_Med 8.7
5 North_European 7.02
6 South_Asian 1.87
7 Siberian 1.55
8 Southeast_Asian 1.1
9 Northwest_African 0.55
10 Sub_Saharan 0.1

[Kyp]

I don't no

Iranian matches ? Which ?

If you PM me your kit number I could search for Iranian/Azeri names on your match list on Gedmatch.

Btw pls post Mdlp k23b

[Dr_Maul]

Btw pls post Mdlp k23b

How accurate is this one for our region?
It gives me 7%(!) North African and about 8% Mongoloid as well....

[Kyp]

How accurate is this one for our region?
It gives me 7%(!) North African and about 8% Mongoloid as well....

I don't know I just recently started to make the Iranian averages for it.

Note: Some altaic components are not mongoloid (entirely)

Can you pm me your result?

[Dr_Maul]

I don't know I just recently started to make the Iranian averages for it.

Note: Some altaic components are not mongoloid (entirely)

Can you pm me your result?

done

[Leto]

How accurate is this one for our region?
It gives me 7%(!) North African and about 8% Mongoloid as well....
Ancestral Altaic is some kind of white, it's not Mongoloid.

[Kerem_turc]

Thanks. I don't see you with Azeri ancestry tbh. Your mongoloid is basically 0. You might have distant Azeri Jewish ancestry, you have high Caucasian and slightly higher SW Asian.

on MDLP K16 I am put Azeri first

[Dr_Maul]

on MDLP K16 I am put Azeri first

Thats because Kurds and Azeris are extremely related on that calc

Target: Azeri
Distance: 1.8185% / 1.81851493 | ADC: 0.5x
79.0 Kurd
11.4 Turks
9.6 Turkmens

You are only 1% East Eurasian, thats less than most people without documented Azeri ancestry. You may have Talysh, Tat, or Azeri Jewish ancestry but Azeri Turk is unlikely.

[Kerem_turc]

Thats because Kurds and Azeris are extremely related on that calc

Target: Azeri
Distance: 1.8185% / 1.81851493 | ADC: 0.5x
79.0 Kurd
11.4 Turks
9.6 Turkmens

You are only 1% East Eurasian, thats less than most people without documented Azeri ancestry. You may have Talysh, Tat, or Azeri Jewish ancestry but Azeri Turk is unlikely.

So genetically does that mean that I would be closer to the Kurds and the peoples of the Caucasus like the Georgians or the Armenians? Finally I don't know in what order, since from what I know, we had no Kurdish ancestor

[Dr_Maul]

So genetically does that mean that I would be closer to the Kurds and the peoples of the Caucasus like the Georgians or the Armenians? Finally I don't know in what order, since from what I know, we had no Kurdish ancestor

You are Zaza, right? You are basically Kurdish, so they should always be closest
In terms of closest:
1. NW Iranic people (Kurd, Talysh)
2. NW Iranian people (Azeri, some Persians)
3. Mesopotamia (Assyria), South Caucasus (Armenia/Georgia), Anatolia (Turkish)

[Kerem_turc]

You are Zaza, right? You are basically Kurdish, so they should always be closest
In terms of closest:
1. NW Iranic people (Kurd, Talysh)
2. NW Iranian people (Azeri, some Persians)
3. Mesopotamia (Assyria), South Caucasus (Armenia/Georgia), Anatolia (Turkish)

the Zazas do not consider themselves Kurds, they say they are closer to the Iranian peoples of the Caspian Sea like the Gilakis or Mazandarani let us also add the Taylshs

personally I see

1.Iranic people
2.South Caucasus
3.Anatolia
4.North Caucasus
5.Mesopotamia

[Halgurd]

the Zazas do not consider themselves Kurds, they say they are closer to the Iranian peoples of the Caspian Sea like the Gilakis or Mazandarani let us also add the Taylshs

personally I see

1.Iranic people
2.South Caucasus
3.Anatolia
4.North Caucasus
5.Mesopotamia

What city are you from and which aşiret? Which Zaza sub-dialect do you speak?

[Fedora]

Zazas were considered Kurds, they speak a language similar to the Talysh. Many Zaza nationalist claim ancestry from this region in Turkey and they claim the Sassanids(Zazanids lols)
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/46/SW_Caspian.jpg
How much persian/kurmanj speaker understand? Look, the guy says he speaks an Iranian language :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8sP3R7aCAno

[Fedora]

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasus 42.63
2 Gedrosia 23.26
3 Southwest_Asian 15.31
4 North_European 7.91
5 Atlantic_Med 4.28
6 South_Asian 3.97
7 East_African 1.15
8 Siberian 1.08
9 Northwest_African 0.42

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Kurds (Yunusbayev) 6.13
2 Iranian (Dodecad) 6.75
3 Kurd (Dodecad) 6.81
4 Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) 7.15
5 Iranians (Behar) 9.61
6 Turks (Behar) 11.88
7 Georgia_Jews (Behar) 12.54
8 Azerbaijan_Jews (Behar) 12.98
9 Iranian_Jews (Behar) 13.19
10 Assyrian (Dodecad) 13.65
11 Armenians_15 (Yunusbayev) 14.45
12 Turkish (Dodecad) 14.51
13 Iraq_Jews (Behar) 14.95
14 Armenian (Dodecad) 15.57
15 Kumyks (Yunusbayev) 16.93
16 Lebanese (Behar) 17.03
17 Turkmens (Yunusbayev) 18.59
18 Armenians (Behar) 18.87
19 Syrians (Behar) 18.94
20 Druze (HGDP) 19.51

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 76.8% Georgia_Jews (Behar) + 23.2% Pathan (HGDP) @ 3.22
2 87% Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) + 13% Pathan (HGDP) @ 3.86
3 78.7% Georgia_Jews (Behar) + 21.3% Burusho (HGDP) @ 3.87
4 80.3% Georgia_Jews (Behar) + 19.7% Jatt (Dodecad) @ 3.89
5 52.2% Iranian (Dodecad) + 47.8% Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) @ 4.02
6 88.2% Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) + 11.8% Burusho (HGDP) @ 4.07
7 83.1% Iranian (Dodecad) + 16.9% Samaritians (Behar) @ 4.09
8 83.7% Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) + 16.3% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) @ 4.18
9 89.4% Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) + 10.6% Jatt (Dodecad) @ 4.21
10 71.7% Georgia_Jews (Behar) + 28.3% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) @ 4.23
11 69.2% Iranian (Dodecad) + 30.8% Georgia_Jews (Behar) @ 4.25
12 78.6% Iranian (Dodecad) + 21.4% Druze (HGDP) @ 4.33
13 76.4% Iranian (Dodecad) + 23.6% Lebanese (Behar) @ 4.45
14 79% Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) + 21% Lezgins (Behar) @ 4.53
15 91% Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) + 9% Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh (Metspalu) @ 4.61
16 76.8% Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) + 23.2% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) @ 4.64
17 83% Iranian (Dodecad) + 17% Palestinian (HGDP) @ 4.67
18 79.2% Iranian (Dodecad) + 20.8% Syrians (Behar) @ 4.71
19 90.4% Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) + 9.6% Sindhi (HGDP) @ 4.72
20 74.8% Iranian (Dodecad) + 25.2% Iraq_Jews (Behar) @ 4.78
If you would have Armenian/Assyrian ancestry your Atlantic Med would have been higher. Azeri ancestry you would score more east asian/siberian. Your score seems normal for Zazas. Pretty close to Western Iranic (Kurds/Talysh)

[Dr_Maul]

How much persian/kurmanj speaker understand? Look, the guy says he speaks an Iranian language :

Not very much, as a Persian speaker. Less than Azeri and probably equal to Kurdish, more than Turkish or Arabic

[Zoro]

Zazas were considered Kurds, they speak a language similar to the Talysh. Many Zaza nationalist claim ancestry from this region in Turkey and they claim the Sassanids(Zazanids lols)
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/46/SW_Caspian.jpg
How much persian/kurmanj speaker understand? Look, the guy says he speaks an Iranian language :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8sP3R7aCAno

Interesting.This is the first time I’ve heard zazaki. I could understand about 50% max (like kurmanji). I can definitely understand kurds from khorasan more. I guess i can understand more farsi also than zazaki

[Bender1999]

Zazas have various origins, Iranic and non Iranic in my knowledge. I don’t think that you have Azerbaijani ancestors but some Zazas have indeed some Turkish ancestors but i depends on the tribe.

[Kerem_turc]

What city are you from and which aşiret? Which Zaza sub-dialect do you speak?

Elazig + Zaza dimli

[Halgurd]

Elazig + Zaza dimli

Whats your aşiret

[Kerem_turc]

Whats your aşiret

bah my father my said "mallalar tribe" to Diyarbakır in Turkey I don't know if you know me I don't know how bad it is

[Halgurd]

bah my father my said "mallalar tribe" to Diyarbakır in Turkey I don't know if you know me I don't know how bad it is

Mallalar? There is no tribe called mallalar. Do you mean that you are from the mullah family? Ez jî mala mela me.

[reboun]

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Considering both of your parents are from Elazığ, it is a higher chance that you have Azeri ancestry. There are lots Azeri in Elazığ.