Alan - DA161 Gedmatch - Q-L330

[Kaspias]

This sample was lacking in Gedmatch as the raw data is damaged. It is not present in G25 SS as well. I was able to extract meaningful autosomal data from the BAM file and run it on DNA Studio.

- I also sent FASTQ to yfull for the clade analysis and waiting for a reply.
- I will ask Davidski to add sample to G25 SS.


Location

https://i.ibb.co/X8dvKjW/konum.png

y-DNA: Q-L330
mt-DNA: X2f


Dodecad K12b:


Component %
Gedrosia 21,15%
Siberian 11,50%
Southeast_Asian 0,12%
Atlantic_Med 10,92%
North_European 18,14%
Southwest_Asian 1,30%
East_Asian 4,42%
Caucasus 30,86%
Sub_Saharan 1,61%


Mixed Mode:
1 85,55% Avar_Dagestan + 14,45% Yakut @ 7,349
2 83,20% Avar_Dagestan + 16,80% Buryat @ 7,438
3 86,33% Avar_Dagestan + 13,67% Yukagir @ 7,487
4 82,42% Avar_Dagestan + 17,58% Tuva @ 7,528
5 87,11% Avar_Dagestan + 12,89% Evenk @ 7,809
6 80,08% Avar_Dagestan + 19,92% Altai @ 7,865
7 69,14% Azerbaijani_Dagestan + 30,86% Bashkir @ 7,881
8 85,55% Avar_Dagestan + 14,45% Dolgan @ 8,104
9 55,86% Avar_Dagestan + 44,14% Turkmen_Uzbekistan @ 8,238
10 82,42% Avar_Dagestan + 17,58% Mongol @ 8,273
11 84,77% Avar_Dagestan + 15,23% Oroqen @ 8,295
12 50,39% Turkmen_Uzbekistan + 49,61% Avar_Dagestan @ 8,420
13 76,95% Avar_Dagestan + 23,05% Kazakh @ 8,734
14 78,52% Avar_Dagestan + 21,48% Kyrgyz @ 8,852
15 73,05% Avar_Dagestan + 26,95% Karakalpak @ 8,857
16 54,30% Turk_Ahiska + 45,70% Bashkir @ 8,899
17 60,55% Azerbaijani_Dagestan + 39,45% Crimean_Tatar_Steppe @ 8,913
18 79,30% Avar_Dagestan + 20,70% Kyrgyz_Bishkek @ 8,933
19 88,67% Avar_Dagestan + 11,33% Nganassan @ 9,016
20 84,77% Nogais + 15,23% Brahui @ 9,076
21 82,42% Nogais + 17,58% Makrani @ 9,088
22 50,39% Bashkir + 49,61% Georgian_Adjara @ 9,137
23 50,39% Georgian_Adjara + 49,61% Bashkir @ 9,148
24 83,20% Nogais + 16,80% Balochi @ 9,198
25 50,39% Bashkir + 49,61% Georgian_Turkey @ 9,230
26 50,39% Georgian_Turkey + 49,61% Bashkir @ 9,235
27 64,45% Circassian + 35,55% Bashkir @ 9,248
28 53,52% Yoruk + 46,48% Avar_Dagestan @ 9,314
29 82,42% Azerbaijani_Dagestan + 17,58% Selkup @ 9,332
30 60,55% Talysh_Azerbaijan + 39,45% Bashkir @ 9,336

Least-squares method.

Using 1 populations approximation
1 100% Yoruk @ 13,933
2 100% Turkmen_Iran @ 14,193
3 100% Turk_Northwest @ 14,260
4 100% Nogais @ 14,654
5 100% Avar_Dagestan @ 15,118
6 100% Turk_Southwest @ 15,276
7 100% Crimean_Tatar_Mountain @ 15,331
8 100% Turkmens @ 15,853
9 100% Azerbaijani_Dagestan @ 16,545
10 100% Turk_West_BlackSea @ 16,627
11 100% Turk_South @ 16,935
12 100% Turk_Anatolia @ 16,971
13 100% Turk_Central_West @ 17,709
14 100% Turk_Central_Black_Sea @ 17,793
15 100% Turkmen_Uzbekistan @ 17,944
16 100% Azerbaijani @ 18,715
17 100% Azerbaijani_Turkey @ 19,120
18 100% Kumyks @ 19,144
19 100% Turk_Central_East @ 19,195
20 100% Azerbaijani_Iran @ 19,674
21 100% Turk_Southeast @ 19,699
22 100% Circassian @ 20,357
23 100% Crimean_Tatar_Coast @ 20,616
24 100% Tajiks @ 21,666
25 100% Iran_Central_East @ 22,040
26 100% Kurd_Kurmanji @ 22,455
27 100% Lezgins @ 22,907
28 100% Talysh_Azerbaijan @ 23,040
29 100% Talysh_Azerbaijan @ 23,040
30 100% Crimean_Tatar_Steppe @ 23,113

Using 2 populations approximation
1 50% Avar_Dagestan + 50% Turkmen_Uzbekistan @ 8,398
2 50% Bashkir + 50% Georgian_Adjara @ 9,139
3 50% Bashkir + 50% Georgian_Turkey @ 9,229
4 50% Turk_Ahiska + 50% Bashkir @ 9,302
5 50% Yoruk + 50% Avar_Dagestan @ 9,346
6 50% Georgian_Imereti + 50% Bashkir @ 9,572
7 50% Crimean_Tatar_Mountain + 50% Turkmens @ 9,624
8 50% Azerbaijani_Dagestan + 50% Crimean_Tatar_Steppe @ 9,648
9 50% Laz + 50% Bashkir @ 9,847
10 50% Turkmen_Uzbekistan + 50% Circassian @ 9,961
11 50% Turkmen_Iran + 50% Crimean_Tatar_Mountain @ 9,995
12 50% Georgian_Gurian + 50% Bashkir @ 10,029
13 50% Nogais + 50% Turkmens @ 10,056
14 50% Turk_Northwest + 50% Avar_Dagestan @ 10,084
15 50% Turkmen_Uzbekistan + 50% Kumyks @ 10,090
16 50% Hemshin + 50% Bashkir @ 10,103
17 50% Georgian_Svan + 50% Bashkir @ 10,142
18 50% Turkmen_Iran + 50% Nogais @ 10,176
19 50% Bashkir + 50% Georgian_Mingrelian @ 10,210
20 50% Turkmen_Uzbekistan + 50% Lezgins @ 10,213
21 50% Crimean_Tatar_Mountain + 50% Tajiks @ 10,284
22 50% Lezgins + 50% Crimean_Tatar_Steppe @ 10,292
23 50% Crimean_Tatar_Steppe + 50% Iranian @ 10,397
24 50% Circassian + 50% Crimean_Tatar_Steppe @ 10,408
25 50% Azerbaijani_Dagestan + 50% Turkmen_Uzbekistan @ 10,469
26 50% Armenian_East + 50% Bashkir @ 10,487
27 50% Avar_Dagestan + 50% Turk_Southwest @ 10,553
28 50% Talysh_Azerbaijan + 50% Crimean_Tatar_Steppe @ 10,666
29 50% Talysh_Azerbaijan + 50% Crimean_Tatar_Steppe @ 10,666
30 50% Turk_Northwest + 50% Tajiks @ 10,668

Using 3 populations approximation
1 33% Turk_Northwest + 33% Nogais + 33% Tajiks @ 7,811
2 33% Kurd_Kurmanji + 33% Lezgins + 33% Bashkir @ 7,836
3 33% Azerbaijani_Dagestan + 33% Azerbaijani_Dagestan + 33% Bashkir @ 7,982
4 33% Azerbaijani_Iran + 33% Circassian + 33% Bashkir @ 8,082
5 33% Avar_Dagestan + 33% Turk_Southwest + 33% Turkmen_Uzbekistan @ 8,097
6 33% Nogais + 33% Avar_Dagestan + 33% Turkmen_Uzbekistan @ 8,244
7 33% Lezgins + 33% Talysh_Azerbaijan + 33% Bashkir @ 8,245
8 33% Lezgins + 33% Talysh_Azerbaijan + 33% Bashkir @ 8,245
9 33% Chechens + 33% Iranians + 33% Bashkir @ 8,314
10 33% Azerbaijani_Turkey + 33% Kumyks + 33% Bashkir @ 8,363
11 33% Kumyks + 33% Azerbaijani_Iran + 33% Bashkir @ 8,388
12 33% Lur_Iran + 33% Chechens + 33% Bashkir @ 8,472
13 33% Azerbaijani + 33% Kumyks + 33% Bashkir @ 8,540
14 33% Turk_Southeast + 33% Circassian + 33% Bashkir @ 8,688
15 33% Avar_Dagestan + 33% Avar_Dagestan + 33% Turkmen_Uzbekistan @ 8,815
16 33% Avar_Dagestan + 33% Turk_Southwest + 33% Uzbeks @ 8,844
17 33% Azerbaijani_Dagestan + 33% Turk_West_BlackSea + 33% Bashkir @ 8,918
18 33% Kumyks + 33% Turk_Central_East + 33% Bashkir @ 8,932
19 33% Circassian + 33% Tajiks + 33% Crimean_Tatar_Steppe @ 9,081
20 33% Avar_Dagestan + 33% Turk_Southwest + 33% Crimean_Tatar_Steppe @ 9,102
21 33% Turkmen_Iran + 33% Turk_Northwest + 33% Avar_Dagestan @ 9,159
22 33% Azerbaijani_Dagestan + 33% Azerbaijani_Dagestan + 33% Crimean_Tatar_Steppe @ 9,176
23 33% Nogais + 33% Avar_Dagestan + 33% Turkmens @ 9,204
24 33% Iran_Mazandaran + 33% Chechens + 33% Bashkir @ 9,242
25 33% Turk_Northwest + 33% Nogais + 33% Turkmens @ 9,273
26 33% Turkmens + 33% Azerbaijani_Dagestan + 33% Crimean_Tatar_Steppe @ 9,304
27 33% Circassian + 33% Circassian + 33% Bashkir @ 9,331
28 33% Iran_Central_East + 33% Lezgins + 33% Bashkir @ 9,348
29 33% Avar_Dagestan + 33% Avar_Dagestan + 33% Karakalpak @ 9,364
30 33% Turk_Southwest + 33% Crimean_Tatar_Mountain + 33% Tajiks @ 9,371

Using 4 populations approximation
1 25% Avar_Dagestan + 25% Avar_Dagestan + 25% Turk_Southwest + 25% Karakalpak @ 7,665
2 25% Avar_Dagestan + 25% Avar_Dagestan + 25% Turk_Southwest + 25% Uzbeks @ 7,731
3 25% Circassian + 25% Circassian + 25% Tajiks + 25% Bashkir @ 7,795
4 25% Avar_Dagestan + 25% Avar_Dagestan + 25% Turk_Southwest + 25% Turkmen_Uzbekistan @ 7,870
5 25% Avar_Dagestan + 25% Avar_Dagestan + 25% Turk_Southwest + 25% Bashkir @ 7,871
6 25% Azerbaijani_Dagestan + 25% Azerbaijani_Dagestan + 25% Turk_West_BlackSea + 25% Bashkir @ 7,887
7 25% Turk_Northwest + 25% Turk_Northwest + 25% Nogais + 25% Tajiks @ 8,090
8 25% Avar_Dagestan + 25% Avar_Dagestan + 25% Turk_Southwest + 25% Kazakh @ 8,206
9 25% Azerbaijani_Dagestan + 25% Azerbaijani_Dagestan + 25% Azerbaijani_Dagestan + 25% Bashkir @ 8,325
10 25% Avar_Dagestan + 25% Avar_Dagestan + 25% Turk_Southwest + 25% Crimean_Tatar_Steppe @ 8,425
11 25% Circassian + 25% Circassian + 25% Tajiks + 25% Crimean_Tatar_Steppe @ 8,462
12 25% Avar_Dagestan + 25% Avar_Dagestan + 25% Turk_Southwest + 25% Hazara @ 8,510
13 25% Avar_Dagestan + 25% Avar_Dagestan + 25% Turk_Southwest + 25% Altai @ 8,563
14 25% Avar_Dagestan + 25% Avar_Dagestan + 25% Avar_Dagestan + 25% Altai @ 8,583
15 25% Avar_Dagestan + 25% Avar_Dagestan + 25% Avar_Dagestan + 25% Kazakh @ 8,784
16 25% Avar_Dagestan + 25% Avar_Dagestan + 25% Turk_Southwest + 25% Kyrgyz @ 8,877
17 25% Avar_Dagestan + 25% Avar_Dagestan + 25% Avar_Dagestan + 25% Karakalpak @ 8,891
18 25% Crimean_Tatar_Steppe + 25% Crimean_Tatar_Steppe + 25% Iranian + 25% Chechens @ 8,963
19 25% Avar_Dagestan + 25% Avar_Dagestan + 25% Avar_Dagestan + 25% Kyrgyz @ 9,061
20 25% Azerbaijani_Turkey + 25% Azerbaijani_Turkey + 25% Kumyks + 25% Bashkir @ 9,079
21 25% Nogais + 25% Nogais + 25% Avar_Dagestan + 25% Tajiks @ 9,154
22 25% Azerbaijani + 25% Azerbaijani + 25% Kumyks + 25% Bashkir @ 9,159
23 25% Avar_Dagestan + 25% Avar_Dagestan + 25% Turk_Southwest + 25% Kyrgyz_Bishkek @ 9,166
24 25% Crimean_Tatar_Mountain + 25% Crimean_Tatar_Mountain + 25% Turkmens + 25% Tajiks @ 9,189
25 25% Kumyks + 25% Kumyks + 25% Azerbaijani_Iran + 25% Bashkir @ 9,222
26 25% Avar_Dagestan + 25% Avar_Dagestan + 25% Avar_Dagestan + 25% Kyrgyz_Bishkek @ 9,243
27 25% Nogais + 25% Nogais + 25% Avar_Dagestan + 25% Turkmen_Uzbekistan @ 9,255
28 25% Azerbaijani_Iran + 25% Azerbaijani_Iran + 25% Circassian + 25% Bashkir @ 9,355
29 25% Kumyks + 25% Kumyks + 25% Turk_Central_East + 25% Bashkir @ 9,392
30 25% Avar_Dagestan + 25% Avar_Dagestan + 25% Avar_Dagestan + 25% Tuva @ 9,398


He models like 50% native Caucasian (Georgian proxy) and 50% Turkic (Bashkir-like.)

[Leto]

Still very Iranic although more Mongoloid than any Caucasian except for the Nogais. Ossetians would've gradually become more Caucasian and less like him.

[Lucas]

How many snps in calcs?

[Kaspias]

How many snps in calcs?

166770 total SNPs
3080 flipped SNPs
21 heterozygous SNPs
0 no-calls
148922 absent SNPs
0.107022 genotype rate
mode genomewide

148922 SNPs missing (no-call or absent)

[Kaspias]

We have one possible descendant.


Berberov, Turkey → Karachay Russian Federation Q-L330 14 24 13 11 15-17 12 12 12 14 14 31 16 8-9 11 11 29 13 19 29 14-14-16-16 10 10 19-23 16 14 19 18 34-39 11 11 11 8 15-17 8 11 10 8 13 10 12 22-23 17 11 12 12 16 8 12 26 22 14 13 12 14 11 11 12 12


https://youtu.be/WzO4uUzJ-HQ

[Bender1999]

More and more interesting facts are disclosed... more and more myths are refuted :rolleyes:

[Leto]

More and more interesting facts are disclosed... more and more myths are refuted :rolleyes:
What myths? Why are Turks so anti-Iranic? If it were up to (some) Turks, the Iranics would be purged from history books entirely.

[Noble Cuman]

This sample is close to North Caucasus Turkic people such as Karachay-Balkar and Kumuk.

[Zoro]

This sample was lacking in Gedmatch as the raw data is damaged. It is not present in G25 SS as well. I was able to extract meaningful autosomal data from the BAM file and run it on DNA Studio.

- I also sent FASTQ to yfull for the clade analysis and waiting for a reply.
- I will ask Davidski to add sample to G25 SS.


Location

https://i.ibb.co/X8dvKjW/konum.png

y-DNA: Q-L330
mt-DNA: X2f


Dodecad K12b:

[CODE]Component %
Gedrosia 21,15%
Siberian 11,50%
Southeast_Asian 0,12%
Atlantic_Med 10,92%
North_European 18,14%
Southwest_Asian 1,30%
East_Asian 4,42%
Caucasus 30,86%
Sub_Saharan 1,61%


He models like 50% native Caucasian (Georgian proxy) and 50% Turkic (Bashkir-like.)


Kaspias, FYI this sample has very low coverage which means the admixture proportions will not be accurate. Here is a list of all the Alan samples. As you can see this sample is the lowest quality of all the Alan samples at only has a coverage of only 0.15.

Also you can see that DA162 and DA164 have much better coverages so their results should be accurate. Out of curiosity what program did you use to convert BAM to VCF


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SAMPLE
TIME

POP
REGION
LAT
LONG
COVERAGE
SNPS
SEX


DA146
450-850
CE
Russia_Alan.SG
Caucasus
42.861705
44.185108
0.255
75854
F


DA160
450-850
CE
Russia_Alan.SG
Caucasus
42.861705
44.185108
0.52
185455
F


DA161
450-850
CE
Russia_Alan_o.SG
Caucasus
42.826264
44.115811
0.146
48804
M


DA162
450-850
CE
Russia_Alan.SG
Caucasus
43.217051
44.53845
2.086
475301
M


DA164
850-1350
CE
Russia_Alan.SG
Caucasus
43.327555
44.178391
1.082
337552
F

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[Halgurd]

What myths? Why are Turks so anti-Iranic? If it were up to (some) Turks, the Iranics would be purged from history books entirely.

I don't know what he meant by that comment, but this sample is labelled as an outlier so it wouldn't really 'refute' anything.

[Leto]

I don't know what he meant by that comment, but this sample is labelled as an outlier so it wouldn't really 'refute' anything.
Well, my comment may've been a little bit ill-advised or hasty, so I'll let it rest.

[Dirdepo]

I have question IranoMongols, Alans have standard Bulgar admixture no?

Puntdnal K13

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 81.8% Belarusian + 18.2% Azerbaijan_Azeri @ 2.05
2 81% Belarusian + 19% Turkish_Kayseri @ 2.16
3 79.9% Belarusian + 20.1% Turkish @ 2.18
4 88.1% Ukrainian + 11.9% Tadjik @ 2.24
5 79.2% Belarusian + 20.8% Balkar @ 2.31
6 84% Belarusian + 16% Turkish_Trabzon @ 2.33
7 89% Ukrainian + 11% Afghan_Uzbeki @ 2.36
8 82.1% Belarusian + 17.9% Abkhasian @ 2.37
9 87.1% Ukrainian + 12.9% Kumyk @ 2.39
10 79.1% Belarusian + 20.9% Turkish_Aydin @ 2.45
11 83.8% Belarusian + 16.2% Armenian @ 2.51
12 82.9% Belarusian + 17.1% Kurdish @ 2.54
13 87.5% Ukrainian + 12.5% Nogay @ 2.55
14 81% Belarusian + 19% Dagestan_Azeri @ 2.55
15 80.9% Belarusian + 19.1% Ossetian @ 2.57
16 84% Belarusian + 16% Assyrian @ 2.6
17 89.3% Ukrainian + 10.7% Dagestan_Azeri @ 2.61
18 90.6% Ukrainian + 9.4% Iranian @ 2.62
19 78% Belarusian + 22% Kumyk @ 2.64
20 91.7% Ukrainian + 8.3% Makrani @ 2.65

Puntdnal K15

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 78% Lithuanian + 22% Cypriot @ 1.62
2 50.3% Lithuanian + 49.7% Bosnian @ 1.62
3 66.6% Lithuanian + 33.4% Greek_Central @ 1.69
4 72.7% Belarusian + 27.3% Greek_Central @ 1.73
5 82.6% Belarusian + 17.4% Cypriot @ 1.8
6 57.4% Belarusian + 42.6% Bosnian @ 1.88
7 65% Lithuanian + 35% Greek_Thessaly @ 1.91
8 71.3% Belarusian + 28.7% Greek_Thessaly @ 1.97
9 84% Belarusian + 16% Turk_Trabzon @ 2.18
10 83.4% Belarusian + 16.6% Assyrian @ 2.4
11 73.8% Lithuanian + 26.2% Sephardic_Jew @ 2.46
12 54.2% Lithuanian + 45.8% Macedonian @ 2.51
13 63.9% Croatian + 36.1% Belarusian @ 2.54
14 72.6% Lithuanian + 27.4% Sicilian @ 2.55
15 83.6% Belarusian + 16.4% Druze @ 2.56
16 88.5% Polish + 11.5% Iranian @ 2.58
17 81.7% Belarusian + 18.3% Turk_Kayseri @ 2.58
18 71.9% Lithuanian + 28.1% Ashkenazy_Jew @ 2.58
19 61.3% Belarusian + 38.7% Macedonian @ 2.61
20 70.4% Croatian + 29.6% Lithuanian @ 2.61

Gedrosia Eurasia K6

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 77.2% Norwegian + 22.8% Lezgin @ 0.2
2 91.8% Croatian + 8.2% EHG @ 0.32
3 72.1% Icelandic + 27.9% Lezgin @ 0.33
4 71.6% Icelandic + 28.4% Chechen @ 0.38
5 76.7% Norwegian + 23.3% Chechen @ 0.49
6 78.7% Icelandic + 21.3% Iran_ChL @ 0.54
7 70.9% Lithuanian + 29.1% Georgian @ 0.59
8 82.9% Norwegian + 17.1% Iran_ChL @ 0.62
9 79.6% Croatian + 20.4% Steppe_EMBA @ 0.71
10 83.8% Norwegian + 16.2% Iranian_Lori @ 0.74
11 83.2% Norwegian + 16.8% Iran_N @ 0.76
12 79.7% Icelandic + 20.3% Iranian_Lori @ 0.78
13 76.4% Europe_LNBA + 23.6% Georgian @ 0.82
14 86.8% Czech + 13.2% CHG @ 0.83
15 79.1% Icelandic + 20.9% Iran_N @ 0.87
16 78.6% Europe_LNBA + 21.4% Kurd_F @ 0.92
17 83.7% Norwegian + 16.3% Iran_LN @ 0.94
18 82.9% Norwegian + 17.1% Kurd_F @ 0.95
19 75.8% Norwegian + 24.2% Kumyk @ 0.98
20 70.5% Icelandic + 29.5% Kumyk @ 0.98

[bained]

My X2f ancestor :)

[Noble Cuman]

Alans were described as tall, blond and blue eyed. Caucasus ones would score more like a Caucasian naturally. While others from Europe have more Steppe ancestry.

[War Chef]

Still very Iranic although more Mongoloid than any Caucasian except for the Nogais. Ossetians would've gradually become more Caucasian and less like him.

Explains why Ossetians are more Mongoloid (they are like 7%) than neighbors.

[Ajeje Brazorf]

The other Alans on GEDmatch:


Distance to: DA164_Russia_Alan.SG_850_ybp
10.13161882 Kumyk
11.49029591 Kabardin
12.58718396 Balkar
13.04972030 Adygei
13.88076367 Chechen

Distance to: DA162_Russia_Alan.SG_1300_ybp
3.94704953 Kumyk
7.82615487 Adygei
8.48954651 Kabardin
9.09571877 Balkar
9.18772551 Chechen

Distance to: DA160_Russia_Alan.SG_1300_ybp
6.03961091 Ossetian
6.09635137 Balkar
7.81946290 Kabardin
7.96726427 Adygei
8.31204548 North_Ossetian

Distance to: DA146_Russia_Alan.SG_1300_ybp
8.16372464 Chechen
9.23196620 Tabassaran
9.31921671 Lezgin
10.11653103 Ossetian
10.27702292 North_Ossetian

[Leto]

Explains why Ossetians are more Mongoloid (they are like 7%) than neighbors.
Which neighbors? Kabardins and Balkars are not less Mongoloid than North Ossetians.

[War Chef]

Caucasian Alans =/= Roxoalani & Iasyges of eastern Europe

[War Chef]

Which neighbors? Kabardins and Balkars are not less Mongoloid than North Ossetians.

https://i.imgur.com/13oF9nZ.jpg

[Leto]

The original Dodecad spreadsheets are seriously inaccurate. Just saying ;)

[Dirdepo]

Alans were described as tall, blond and blue eyed. Caucasus ones would score more like a Caucasian naturally. While others from Europe have more Steppe ancestry.

Interesting. This person I posted has physical appearance described from historian Ammianus Marcellinus tall, grey eyed sharp looking, and golden or reddish hair something you will see inner Russia or Ireland for example. When I compare her to other people from my ethnic group her K13 West Asian is by far the most in my ethnic group. However, I don't know if this flaw within K13 Eurogenes or no, the people from my ethnic group with sterotypical West Asian features, green or brown eyes with black hair, for example my Father with Bulgar origin, score much lower on West Asian component with the K13 Eurogenes calculator, just have to make this point

[Ajeje Brazorf]

Physical descriptions of historical characters/populations = exaggerations and inaccuracies.

[Dirdepo]

Physical descriptions of historical characters/populations = exaggerations and inaccuracies.

It was Roman giving descriptions as usual, I gotta run store quick I be back later

[Kaspias]

I'm aware of this sample labeled as an outlier, but according to what?

Two of Alan Samples dates to 600-800, three dates to 900-1100 if I recall correctly. This one dates to 500-800 and for some reason predated to others, which also explains why the sample was damaged while the rest is not.

Now after seeing this sample modeled like half Steppe(which is Turkic) and half Caucasian, it is not hard to predict that other Alan samples mixed 1 more generation with natives and ended up with a close result to modern Northern Caucasians.

So why do modern North Caucasians speak different languages despite being genetically similar, especially if they are all Alans?

Because they don't speak Alan. All of subgroups like Karachay, Balkar, Ossetian speaks the language which reorganized them after the collapse of Alans. Otherwise, they would all speak Oghur probably.

Even Turkic speaker ones speak the Kipchak. Another conclusion can be made from this; migration of small elites to the region. (Cumans for Karachay, or Jasz for Ossets)

What is the admixture breakdown of modern North Caucasians, then?


It is similar to other Alan samples.

See how distance varies from Turkic speaker to Iranic speaker:

Target: Karachay
Distance: 1.8979% / 0.01897890
75.6 Georgian_Imer
24.4 Bashkir


Target: North_Ossetian
Distance: 2.5223% / 0.02522288
78.8 Georgian_Imer
21.2 Bashkir

This might mean subgroups might have other influences, like boosted Turkic in Turkic speakers and Iranic addition in Ossets.


So why these communities have native haplogroups mostly?

It resembles the formation process of Balkan and Anatolian Turks.

Imagine a group called X, for example, settles somewhere. First generations usually will have the haplogroup of the primary culture, which is the Alan in this case, yet when Alan migration ceased and the community did not being supplied with fresh comer Alans, haplogroups will be replaced with the people who live in nearby as they will be joining this community and assimilate under it. Haplogroup heritage of that primary culture will remain only in small amounts yet will be transferring with autosomal DNA over generations.

What is the importance of this find?

It means unmixed Alans are from the same stock as early Hungarians and early Bulgars. So, these haplogroups also an applicable data for them as well.

[Leto]

He is an ancestor of Chris the Hungarian :cool:

[Halgurd]

I'm aware of this sample labeled as an outlier, but according to what?

Two of Alan Samples dates to 600-800, three dates to 900-1100 if I recall correctly. This one dates to 500-800 and for some reason predated to others, which also explains why the sample was damaged while the rest is not.

DA162 (100-400AD) and DA243 (300-400 AD) are older Alan samples. Here are all the Alan samples available on G25 just for comparison. I’m using this (https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/ancient-human-dna_41837#6/51.000/2.000) for the dates.

https://i.ibb.co/LpmfKjp/9-B5-F4981-62-A1-4-B06-8-B64-55-E54-FD1-FD56.jpg

[Kaspias]

DA162 (100-400AD) and DA243 (300-400 AD) are older Alan samples. Here are all the Alan samples available on G25 just for comparison. I’m using this (https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/ancient-human-dna_41837#6/51.000/2.000) for the dates.

https://i.ibb.co/LpmfKjp/9-B5-F4981-62-A1-4-B06-8-B64-55-E54-FD1-FD56.jpg

I checked the supplementary information of the article:


iCGG_2_016430 DA146 Alan1 North Ossetia-Alania NA NA NA NA 1500-1100 NA NA NA Alan Caucasus 42.861705 44.185108 Female
CGG_2_016431 DA160 Alan3 North Ossetia-Alania NA NA NA NA 1500-1100 NA NA NA Alan Caucasus 42.861705 44.185108 Female
CGG_2_016432 DA161 Alan4 North Ossetia-Alania NA NA NA NA 1500-1100 NA NA NA Alan Caucasus 42.826264 44.115811 Male
CGG_2_016433 DA162 Alan5 North Ossetia-Alania NA NA NA NA 1900-1500 NA NA NA Alan Caucasus 43.217051 44.53845 Male
CGG_2_016435 DA164 Alan7 North Ossetia-Alania NA NA NA NA 1100-600 NA NA NA Alan Caucasus 43.327555 44.178391 Female
CGG_2_018159 DA243 Alan 51 Alan 51 NA NA NA NA 1533 NA NA NA Alan Caucasus 43.958649 42.587303 Male

[Halgurd]

I checked the supplementary information of the article:


iCGG_2_016430 DA146 Alan1 North Ossetia-Alania NA NA NA NA 1500-1100 NA NA NA Alan Caucasus 42.861705 44.185108 Female
CGG_2_016431 DA160 Alan3 North Ossetia-Alania NA NA NA NA 1500-1100 NA NA NA Alan Caucasus 42.861705 44.185108 Female
CGG_2_016432 DA161 Alan4 North Ossetia-Alania NA NA NA NA 1500-1100 NA NA NA Alan Caucasus 42.826264 44.115811 Male
CGG_2_016433 DA162 Alan5 North Ossetia-Alania NA NA NA NA 1900-1500 NA NA NA Alan Caucasus 43.217051 44.53845 Male
CGG_2_016435 DA164 Alan7 North Ossetia-Alania NA NA NA NA 1100-600 NA NA NA Alan Caucasus 43.327555 44.178391 Female
CGG_2_018159 DA243 Alan 51 Alan 51 NA NA NA NA 1533 NA NA NA Alan Caucasus 43.958649 42.587303 Male

Yes, that is YBP. DA162 and DA243 are the oldest Alan samples as of yet.

[RatCat]

Yes, that is YBP. DA162 and DA243 are the oldest Alan samples as of yet.

What does YBP means? Does it mean that these samples lived 1900-1500 years ago?

[Halgurd]

What does YBP means? Does it mean that these samples lived 1900-1500 years ago?

Yes, correct.

YBP= Years Before Present

[Kaspias]

I received the G25 coordinates. No answer from yfull yet.


Russia_Alan_o.SG:DA161.SG,0.09675,-0.015233,-0.010936,-0.031008,-0.061242,-0.008367,0.003525,0.002538,-0.048677,-0.005649,0.010555,0.006294,-0.009068,0.007156,-0.005022,-0.008618,-0.021644,0.000253,0.016592,-0.002251,-0.006738,0.003833,-0.002465,0.001325,-0.018681

Russia_Alan_o.SG:DA161.SG,0.0085,-0.0015,-0.0029,-0.0096,-0.0199,-0.003,0.0015,0.0011,-0.0238,-0.0031,0.0065,0.0042,-0.0061,0.0052,-0.0037,-0.0065,-0.0166,0.0002,0.0132,-0.0018,-0.0054,0.0031,-0.002,0.0011,-0.0156

Check how it modeled:

Full gradient, 0x


Target: Russia_Alan_o.SG:DA161.SG
Distance: 4.0791% / 0.04079084
30.2 Georgian_Imer
27.8 Azeri_Turkey
14.4 Shor_Mountain
12.2 Evenk
7.2 Iranian_Mazandarani
5.6 Kubachinian
2.0 Igorot
0.6 Surui

Fits are high as the sample has low coverage.
Modeling:


Target: Russia_Alan_o.SG:DA161.SG
Distance: 5.8549% / 0.05854934
50.2 Tatar_Siberian
49.8 Georgian_Imer

And see what I had stated before:

DA161 + Georgian Imer(as a proxy for native Caucasian mix) = Other Alan samples.


DA161+Imer,0.102441,0.059002,-0.0364675,-0.0385015,-0.049794,-0.008646,0.00745,-0.0015695,-0.056326,-0.01159,0.00505,0.009666,-0.0171105,0.0071975,-0.0015745,-0.016242,-0.0072885,-0.002078,0.0035445,0.006528,0.0023835,0.0025965,-0.00122,-0.00288,-0.0102385




Distance to: DA161+Imer
0.05736675 UZB_Dzharkutan2_BA
0.07051614 RUS_Alan_MA
0.07216693 ARM_Lchashen_MBA
0.07519969 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_Historic
0.07776141 ARM_MBA
0.07984384 RUS_Maykop_Late
0.08041371 ARM_LBA
0.08050850 RUS_Maykop
0.08272871 UZB_Sappali_Tepe_BA_o
0.08321718 IRN_Hajji_Firuz_IA
0.08323676 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kalavan
0.08426044 TJK_Ksirov_H_Kushan
0.08479138 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
0.08521163 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Talin
0.08683290 RUS_Saltovo-Mayaki_low_res
0.08766751 Kura-Araxes_RUS_Velikent
0.08990690 ARM_Areni_C
0.09081363 RUS_Maykop_Novosvobodnaya
0.09262408 Levant_Megiddo_MLBA_o2
0.09398988 IRN_Hasanlu_IA
0.09495023 RUS_North_Caucasus_MBA
0.09537217 RUS_Darkveti-Meshoko_En
0.09612537 Ostrogothic_Crimea_ACD
0.09901512 Levant_Megiddo_MLBA_o1
0.10132955 IRN_Hajji_Firuz_C



Distance to: DA161+Imer
0.04715958 Abazin
0.04815225 Karachay
0.04944089 Circassian
0.05027989 Kabardin
0.05160420 Balkar
0.05205558 Cherkes
0.05205852 North_Ossetian
0.05430405 Kumyk
0.05470667 Turkish_North
0.05644650 Ossetian
0.05713364 Azeri_Dagestan
0.05718692 Turkish_South
0.05893796 Azeri
0.05943223 Ingushian
0.06003702 Turkish_Central
0.06109128 Azeri_Turkey
0.06232281 Adygei
0.06484647 Turkish_Aydin
0.06635851 Turkish_Kayseri
0.06649789 Turkish_Northwest
0.06678844 Turkish_Adana
0.06797262 Turkish_Southwest
0.06797272 Turkish_Balikesir
0.06849028 Turkish_East
0.06910088 Chechen


Presence of this sample shows how gradually Alanic(unmixed) population absorbed into Caucasians and formed the modern Northern Caucasians.

[Leto]

Presence of this sample shows how gradually Alanic(unmixed) population absorbed into Caucasians and formed the modern Northern Caucasians.
Don't think he is ancestral to all North Caucasians. Chechnya/Dagestan have nothing to do with those people.

[Leto]

...

[Noble Cuman]

There were many Turkic tribes in Caucasus such as Kipchaks, Pechenegs, Khazars. You can find Turkic dna among Karachay-Balkars, Kumuks and Kabardeys although they are talking Circassian language. Alans can not be only source. And these people already had some Steppe dna from Maykop culture.

[Noble Cuman]

Archaeogenetic studies have described the formation of Eurasian ‘steppe ancestry’ as a mixture of Eastern and Caucasus hunter-gatherers. However, it remains unclear when and where this ancestry arose and whether it was related to a horizon of cultural innovations in the 4th millennium BCE that subsequently facilitated the advance of pastoral societies in Eurasia. Here we generated genome-wide SNP data from 45 prehistoric individuals along a 3000-year temporal transect in the North Caucasus. We observe a genetic separation between the groups of the Caucasus and those of the adjacent steppe. The northern Caucasus groups are genetically similar to contemporaneous populations south of it, suggesting human movement across the mountain range during the Bronze Age. The steppe groups from Yamnaya and subsequent pastoralist cultures show evidence for previously undetected farmer-related ancestry from different contact zones, while Steppe Maykop individuals harbour additional Upper Palaeolithic Siberian and Native American related ancestry. https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-08220-8

[Bender1999]

There were many Turkic tribes in Caucasus such as Kipchaks, Pechenegs, Khazars. You can find Turkic dna among Karachay-Balkars, Kumuks and Kabardeys although they are talking Circassian language. Alans can not be only source. And these people already had some Steppe dna from Maykop culture.

I don’t think Pechenegs ever settled in Caucasus. The other Turkics are already represented, but Circissians aren’t Turkic, some have big amount of Turkic Dna, some have none. The interesting thing about this result was that their origin is a controversial issue and at least this one has eastern influence which is not typical, even not for Caucasian Turkics. Some say Alans are of Iranian, some say they are of Turkic and others say they have neither but another origin. The same discussion we have about ancient Alans. I don’t know whether this is typical or just an outliner, but could lead us to the answere of their roots.

[Noble Cuman]

I don’t think Pechenegs ever settled in Caucasus. The other Turkics are already represented, but Circissians aren’t Turkic, some have big amount of Turkic Dna, some have none. The interesting thing about this result was that their origin is a controversial issue and at least this one has eastern influence which is not typical, even not for Caucasian Turkics. Some say Alans are of Iranian, some say they are of Turkic and others say they have neither but another origin. The same discussion we have about ancient Alans. I don’t know whether this is typical or just an outliner, but could lead us to the answere of their roots.

Yes, of course Circassians are not Turkic. They are indigenous people of Caucasus with y-dna G2. But Kabardeys(Circassian Tribe) can have some Turkic ancestry. Both Kumuks and Karachay-Balkars speak Cuman-Kipchak language.
Alans were descendants of Scythians and Sarmatians. While Eastern Scythians had good amount of East Eurasian ancestry West Scythians were caucasoid with high steppe or Eastern Hunter Gatherer input. Today only Kurds and Pashtuns have considerable steppe among Iranian groups. But they mixed with natives in their regions. Remnants of Scythians mixed with Slavs in west and Central Asians in east.

[Bender1999]

Yes, of course Circassians are not Turkic. They are indigenous people of Caucasus with y-dna G2. But Kabardeys(Circassian Tribe) can have some Turkic ancestry. Both Kumuks and Karachay-Balkars speak Cuman-Kipchak language.
Alans were descendants of Scythians and Sarmatians. While Eastern Scythians had good amount of East Eurasian ancestry West Scythians were caucasoid with high steppe or Eastern Hunter Gatherer input. Today only Kurds and Pashtuns have considerable steppe. But they mixed with natives in their regions. Remnants of Scythians mixed with Slavs in west and Central Asians in East.

Thats not true. Yes Kurds have steppe and they are mixed with preIranics, but they aren’t the most steppe influenced Iranics, i would say they are between 10-25% steppe. We see that some Tadjiks for instance can have more than 50% steppe, i would say they are normally between 30-50% steppe. But i don’t want to discuss the steppe ancestry of Iranics here.

[Noble Cuman]

Thats not true. Yes Kurds have steppe and they are mixed with preIranics, but they aren’t the most steppe influenced Iranics, i would say they are between 10-25% steppe. We see that some Tadjiks for instance can have more than 50% steppe, i would say they are normally between 30-50% steppe. But i don’t want to discuss the steppe ancestry of Iranics here.

Tajiks also have it. Ossetians in Caucasus have it too. I just gave 2 examples. But main Iranians in Iran are less than them.

[Noble Cuman]

This sample is Ossetian. They supposed to be Alanic.
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 West_Asian 48.42
2 East_Med 17.19
3 Baltic 10.81
4 West_Med 7.81
5 North_Atlantic 4.56
6 Siberian 4.47
7 Red_Sea 2.07
8 South_Asian 1.26
9 Oceanian 1.19
10 East_Asian 0.89
11 Sub-Saharan 0.59
12 Amerindian 0.45
13 Northeast_African 0.28

[War Chef]

This sample is Ossetian. They supposed to be Alanic.
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 West_Asian 48.42
2 East_Med 17.19
3 Baltic 10.81
4 West_Med 7.81
5 North_Atlantic 4.56
6 Siberian 4.47
7 Red_Sea 2.07
8 South_Asian 1.26
9 Oceanian 1.19
10 East_Asian 0.89
11 Sub-Saharan 0.59
12 Amerindian 0.45
13 Northeast_African 0.28

11% Baltid, 5% Atlantic = 16% Andronovo proto-Iranoid.
The best of the best warrior genetics.

[xripkan]

It seems Alans were already different than the other Sarmatians before their arrival in Europe. I didn't expect that.

[Noble Cuman]

11% Baltid, 5% Atlantic = 16% Andronovo proto-Iranoid.
The best of the best warrior genetics.

This sample also has 6 East Eurasian.

[vbnetkhio]

It seems Alans were already different than the other Sarmatians before their arrival in Europe. I didn't expect that.

i think all these are medieval samples, already mixed with Caucasians.

[xripkan]

i think all these are medieval samples, already mixed with Caucasians.

I know that but Alan sample Kaspias posted has extra Turkic admixture. Using mixed mode oracle with 2 modern pops we get
79.7% Azeri_Dagestan + 20.3% Evenk 0.0481

If we exclude the local Caucasian input the rest is Central Asian Turkic ( ancient Iranic + East Eurasian)
Sarmatians on the other hand are modelled as Finno-Ugric+Iranic


Target: Sarmatian_RUS_Urals
Distance: 1.8566% / 0.01856572
58.2 RUS_Mezhovskaya
41.8 TKM_IA

Target: Sarmatian_RUS_Caspian_steppe
Distance: 1.9842% / 0.01984171
56.4 RUS_Mezhovskaya
43.6 TKM_IA

[Zoltan]

According to Vladimir Gurjanov, this pattern is Q-L332 and a distant relative of the Hungarian Jász Q-BZ3950.
"DA161 Q-L330 Q1-L330 ERS2374384 катакомбники/аланы 7(6-8) век н.э. Архонский, 1500-1100 BP Y5261 (Q-L330), Y18330 (Q-L332)"

[Kaspias]

According to Vladimir Gurjanov, this pattern is Q-L332 and a distant relative of the Hungarian Jász Q-BZ3950.
"DA161 Q-L330 Q1-L330 ERS2374384 катакомбники/аланы 7(6-8) век н.э. Архонский, 1500-1100 BP Y5261 (Q-L330), Y18330 (Q-L332)"

It is negative for L332 according to what has been stated in the supplementary information. So, three possible clade here:

https://www.yfull.com/tree/Q-YP1102/
https://www.yfull.com/tree/Q-BZ180/
https://www.yfull.com/tree/Q-Y18330*/ (Basal)

If yfull hopefully answers my mails, we will see.

[Zoltan]

YP1102 and BZ180 cannot be. Can only be Q-Y18330 and L332. If you know it has become negative for L332 then only Q-Y18330 will remain.

[vbnetkhio]

I know that but Alan sample Kaspias posted has extra Turkic admixture. Using mixed mode oracle with 2 modern pops we get
79.7% Azeri_Dagestan + 20.3% Evenk 0.0481

If we exclude the local Caucasian input the rest is Central Asian Turkic ( ancient Iranic + East Eurasian)
Sarmatians on the other hand are modelled as Finno-Ugric+Iranic


Target: Sarmatian_RUS_Urals
Distance: 1.8566% / 0.01856572
58.2 RUS_Mezhovskaya
41.8 TKM_IA

Target: Sarmatian_RUS_Caspian_steppe
Distance: 1.9842% / 0.01984171
56.4 RUS_Mezhovskaya
43.6 TKM_IA

do you think Sarmatians originated from Turkmenistan, or this is just a proxy for something?

[Dr_Maul]

do you think Sarmatians originated from Turkmenistan, or this is just a proxy for something?

TKM_IA is just a proxy for early Iranic speakers

[Leto]

This sample is Ossetian. They supposed to be Alanic.
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 West_Asian 48.42
2 East_Med 17.19
3 Baltic 10.81
4 West_Med 7.81
5 North_Atlantic 4.56
6 Siberian 4.47
7 Red_Sea 2.07
8 South_Asian 1.26
9 Oceanian 1.19
10 East_Asian 0.89
11 Sub-Saharan 0.59
12 Amerindian 0.45
13 Northeast_African 0.28
North Ossetian? Do you have the kit number or Dodecad K12b?

[Kaspias]

YP1102 and BZ180 cannot be. Can only be Q-Y18330 and L332. If you know it has become negative for L332 then only Q-Y18330 will remain.

Why it can't be?

[Zoltan]

Because the DA161 sample is positive for Y18330. BZ180 and YP1102, on the other hand, are negative for Y18330.

[xripkan]

do you think Sarmatians originated from Turkmenistan, or this is just a proxy for something?

No they were originated from southern Urals. TKM_IA is a proxy for the Iron Age Iranics of Central Asia. It seems they had already recieved a pre-Iranic Neolithic Central Asian input but definitely less than modern Iranic-speaking peoples of Central Asia.
Sarmatians (based not only on Vahaduo models but also their place of origin) were modelled as a combination of Uralic cultures with Proto-Iranic+ Finno-Ugirc ancestry and ancient Central Asian Iranics who were Proto-Iranic+Neollithic Central Asian Pre-Iranic. This is also a model which describes this combination

Target: Sarmatian_RUS_Urals
Distance: 1.5119% / 0.01511905
63.8 RUS_Tagar
36.2 TKM_IA

[vbnetkhio]

No they were originated from southern Urals. TKM_IA is a proxy for the Iron Age Iranics of Central Asia. It seems they had already recieved a pre-Iranic Neolithic Central Asian input but definitely less than modern Iranic-speaking peoples of Central Asia.
Sarmatians (based not only on Vahaduo models but also their place of origin) were modelled as a combination of Uralic cultures with Proto-Iranic+ Finno-Ugirc ancestry and ancient Central Asian Iranics who were Proto-Iranic+Neollithic Central Asian Pre-Iranic. This is also a model which describes this combination

Target: Sarmatian_RUS_Urals
Distance: 1.5119% / 0.01511905
63.8 RUS_Tagar
36.2 TKM_IA

and what is TKM_IA? can it be modelled as Andronovo+ something else?

[Leto]

and what is TKM_IA? can it be modelled as Andronovo+ something else?
Yes, it's less European than the Sintashta but more than any modern Central Asian ethnic group.

[xripkan]

and what is TKM_IA? can it be modelled as Andronovo+ something else?

Target: TKM_IA
Distance: 2.4584% / 0.02458438
54.8 RUS_Sintashta_MLBA
45.2 TKM_Gonur1_BA

Proto-Iranic + ancient Pre-Iranic Central Asian

[xripkan]

Yes, it's less European than the Sintashta but more than any modern Central Asian ethnic group.

Check the huge difference in distance between models when I add Finno-Ugric reference

Target: Sarmatian_RUS_Urals
Distance: 6.6997% / 0.06699708
77.0 RUS_Sintashta_MLBA
23.0 TKM_Gonur1_BA

Target: Sarmatian_RUS_Urals
Distance: 2.9635% / 0.02963462
42.8 RUS_Sintashta_MLBA
34.2 FIN_Levanluhta_IA
23.0 TKM_Gonur1_BA


Target: Sarmatian_RUS_Urals
Distance: 2.9156% / 0.02915634
42.0 RUS_Tagar
39.6 RUS_Mezhovskaya
18.4 TKM_Gonur1_BA

A mix of Steppe + Finno-Ugric+ ancient Pre-Iranic Central Asia. They would have a very interesting look.

[Amon]

Check the huge difference in distance between models when I add Finno-Ugric reference

Target: Sarmatian_RUS_Urals
Distance: 6.6997% / 0.06699708
77.0 RUS_Sintashta_MLBA
23.0 TKM_Gonur1_BA

Target: Sarmatian_RUS_Urals
Distance: 2.9635% / 0.02963462
42.8 RUS_Sintashta_MLBA
34.2 FIN_Levanluhta_IA
23.0 TKM_Gonur1_BA


Target: Sarmatian_RUS_Urals
Distance: 2.9156% / 0.02915634
42.0 RUS_Tagar
39.6 RUS_Mezhovskaya
18.4 TKM_Gonur1_BA

A mix of Steppe + Finno-Ugric+ ancient Pre-Iranic Central Asia. They would have a very interesting look.

Target: Sarmatian_KAZ
Distance: 1.5971% / 0.01597132
46.4 RUS_Srubnaya_MLBA
15.4 RUS_Okunevo_BA
15.2 RUS_Srubnaya_Alakul_MLBA
14.2 TKM_Gonur1_BA
6.8 RUS_North_Caucasus_MBA
2.0 CHN_Upper_Yellow_River_LN
0.0 FIN_Levanluhta_IA
0.0 MNG_Hovsgol_BA_o2
0.0 NPL_Chokhopani_2700BP
0.0 PAK_Udegram_IA
0.0 RUS_Mezhovskaya

Target: Sarmatian_RUS_Caspian_steppe
Distance: 1.5122% / 0.01512162
55.4 RUS_Srubnaya_Alakul_MLBA
14.2 RUS_Okunevo_BA
12.4 TKM_Gonur1_BA
8.0 MNG_Hovsgol_BA_o2
5.0 RUS_North_Caucasus_MBA
3.4 RUS_Srubnaya_MLBA
1.6 RUS_Mezhovskaya
0.0 CHN_Upper_Yellow_River_LN
0.0 FIN_Levanluhta_IA
0.0 NPL_Chokhopani_2700BP
0.0 PAK_Udegram_IA

Target: Sarmatian_RUS_Urals
Distance: 1.1373% / 0.01137268
55.4 RUS_Srubnaya_MLBA
15.2 MNG_Hovsgol_BA_o2
13.2 TKM_Gonur1_BA
10.2 RUS_Okunevo_BA
4.8 RUS_Srubnaya_Alakul_MLBA
1.2 RUS_North_Caucasus_MBA
0.0 CHN_Upper_Yellow_River_LN
0.0 FIN_Levanluhta_IA
0.0 NPL_Chokhopani_2700BP
0.0 PAK_Udegram_IA
0.0 RUS_Mezhovskaya

No Finno-Ugric ancestry!

[xripkan]

Target: Sarmatian_KAZ
Distance: 1.5971% / 0.01597132
46.4 RUS_Srubnaya_MLBA
15.4 RUS_Okunevo_BA
15.2 RUS_Srubnaya_Alakul_MLBA
14.2 TKM_Gonur1_BA
6.8 RUS_North_Caucasus_MBA
2.0 CHN_Upper_Yellow_River_LN
0.0 FIN_Levanluhta_IA
0.0 MNG_Hovsgol_BA_o2
0.0 NPL_Chokhopani_2700BP
0.0 PAK_Udegram_IA
0.0 RUS_Mezhovskaya

Target: Sarmatian_RUS_Caspian_steppe
Distance: 1.5122% / 0.01512162
55.4 RUS_Srubnaya_Alakul_MLBA
14.2 RUS_Okunevo_BA
12.4 TKM_Gonur1_BA
8.0 MNG_Hovsgol_BA_o2
5.0 RUS_North_Caucasus_MBA
3.4 RUS_Srubnaya_MLBA
1.6 RUS_Mezhovskaya
0.0 CHN_Upper_Yellow_River_LN
0.0 FIN_Levanluhta_IA
0.0 NPL_Chokhopani_2700BP
0.0 PAK_Udegram_IA

Target: Sarmatian_RUS_Urals
Distance: 1.1373% / 0.01137268
55.4 RUS_Srubnaya_MLBA
15.2 MNG_Hovsgol_BA_o2
13.2 TKM_Gonur1_BA
10.2 RUS_Okunevo_BA
4.8 RUS_Srubnaya_Alakul_MLBA
1.2 RUS_North_Caucasus_MBA
0.0 CHN_Upper_Yellow_River_LN
0.0 FIN_Levanluhta_IA
0.0 NPL_Chokhopani_2700BP
0.0 PAK_Udegram_IA
0.0 RUS_Mezhovskaya

No Finno-Ugric ancestry!

It depends the model you use. In my opinion they had both West Siberian and Finno-Ugric which makes sense for their place of origin.

[Leto]

This sample is Ossetian. They supposed to be Alanic.

Okay, here he is

Gedrosia 19.84 Pct
Siberian 4.20 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 3.59 Pct
North_European 17.04 Pct
South_Asian 0.08 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 5.12 Pct
East_Asian 2.42 Pct
Caucasus 47.71 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Distance to: *
2.57083644 Circassian
2.94579361 Ossetian
3.27789567 Kumyks
5.18814032 Ingush
5.39831455 Balkar
6.06471764 Karachay
7.55326420 Chechen
9.42876450 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
9.67842962 Abkhazian
12.78575770 Turk_Ahiska

Target: *
Distance: 2.2807% / 2.28066211 | ADC: 1x
79.0 Circassian
21.0 Kumyks

Target: *
Distance: 1.7866% / 1.78658926 | ADC: 0.5x
52.8 Circassian
43.4 Kumyks
3.6 Georgia_Jews
0.2 Kurd_KAZ

Target: *
Distance: 1.1898% / 1.18983449 | ADC: 0.25x
55.4 Kumyks
25.8 Circassian
5.2 Georgian_Svan
4.6 Ossetian
4.2 Abkhazian
1.8 Georgia_Jews
1.6 Kurd_KAZ
1.0 Saudis
0.4 Ket

[Bender1999]

Okay, here he is

Gedrosia 19.84 Pct
Siberian 4.20 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 3.59 Pct
North_European 17.04 Pct
South_Asian 0.08 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 5.12 Pct
East_Asian 2.42 Pct
Caucasus 47.71 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Distance to: *
2.57083644 Circassian
2.94579361 Ossetian
3.27789567 Kumyks
5.18814032 Ingush
5.39831455 Balkar
6.06471764 Karachay
7.55326420 Chechen
9.42876450 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
9.67842962 Abkhazian
12.78575770 Turk_Ahiska

Target: *
Distance: 2.2807% / 2.28066211 | ADC: 1x
79.0 Circassian
21.0 Kumyks

Target: *
Distance: 1.7866% / 1.78658926 | ADC: 0.5x
52.8 Circassian
43.4 Kumyks
3.6 Georgia_Jews
0.2 Kurd_KAZ

Target: *
Distance: 1.1898% / 1.18983449 | ADC: 0.25x
55.4 Kumyks
25.8 Circassian
5.2 Georgian_Svan
4.6 Ossetian
4.2 Abkhazian
1.8 Georgia_Jews
1.6 Kurd_KAZ
1.0 Saudis
0.4 Ket

I never saw a Ossetian result, is that amount of east eurasian normal for them?

[Leto]

I never saw a Ossetian result, is that amount of east eurasian normal for them?
For North Ossetia yes, up to 10% is possible. I think South Ossetians are more like Georgians.

[xripkan]

I received the G25 coordinates. No answer from yfull yet.


Russia_Alan_o.SG:DA161.SG,0.09675,-0.015233,-0.010936,-0.031008,-0.061242,-0.008367,0.003525,0.002538,-0.048677,-0.005649,0.010555,0.006294,-0.009068,0.007156,-0.005022,-0.008618,-0.021644,0.000253,0.016592,-0.002251,-0.006738,0.003833,-0.002465,0.001325,-0.018681

Russia_Alan_o.SG:DA161.SG,0.0085,-0.0015,-0.0029,-0.0096,-0.0199,-0.003,0.0015,0.0011,-0.0238,-0.0031,0.0065,0.0042,-0.0061,0.0052,-0.0037,-0.0065,-0.0166,0.0002,0.0132,-0.0018,-0.0054,0.0031,-0.002,0.0011,-0.0156

Check how it modeled:

Full gradient, 0x


Target: Russia_Alan_o.SG:DA161.SG
Distance: 4.0791% / 0.04079084
30.2 Georgian_Imer
27.8 Azeri_Turkey
14.4 Shor_Mountain
12.2 Evenk
7.2 Iranian_Mazandarani
5.6 Kubachinian
2.0 Igorot
0.6 Surui

Fits are high as the sample has low coverage.
Modeling:


Target: Russia_Alan_o.SG:DA161.SG
Distance: 5.8549% / 0.05854934
50.2 Tatar_Siberian
49.8 Georgian_Imer

And see what I had stated before:

DA161 + Georgian Imer(as a proxy for native Caucasian mix) = Other Alan samples.


DA161+Imer,0.102441,0.059002,-0.0364675,-0.0385015,-0.049794,-0.008646,0.00745,-0.0015695,-0.056326,-0.01159,0.00505,0.009666,-0.0171105,0.0071975,-0.0015745,-0.016242,-0.0072885,-0.002078,0.0035445,0.006528,0.0023835,0.0025965,-0.00122,-0.00288,-0.0102385




Distance to: DA161+Imer
0.05736675 UZB_Dzharkutan2_BA
0.07051614 RUS_Alan_MA
0.07216693 ARM_Lchashen_MBA
0.07519969 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_Historic
0.07776141 ARM_MBA
0.07984384 RUS_Maykop_Late
0.08041371 ARM_LBA
0.08050850 RUS_Maykop
0.08272871 UZB_Sappali_Tepe_BA_o
0.08321718 IRN_Hajji_Firuz_IA
0.08323676 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kalavan
0.08426044 TJK_Ksirov_H_Kushan
0.08479138 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
0.08521163 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Talin
0.08683290 RUS_Saltovo-Mayaki_low_res
0.08766751 Kura-Araxes_RUS_Velikent
0.08990690 ARM_Areni_C
0.09081363 RUS_Maykop_Novosvobodnaya
0.09262408 Levant_Megiddo_MLBA_o2
0.09398988 IRN_Hasanlu_IA
0.09495023 RUS_North_Caucasus_MBA
0.09537217 RUS_Darkveti-Meshoko_En
0.09612537 Ostrogothic_Crimea_ACD
0.09901512 Levant_Megiddo_MLBA_o1
0.10132955 IRN_Hajji_Firuz_C



Distance to: DA161+Imer
0.04715958 Abazin
0.04815225 Karachay
0.04944089 Circassian
0.05027989 Kabardin
0.05160420 Balkar
0.05205558 Cherkes
0.05205852 North_Ossetian
0.05430405 Kumyk
0.05470667 Turkish_North
0.05644650 Ossetian
0.05713364 Azeri_Dagestan
0.05718692 Turkish_South
0.05893796 Azeri
0.05943223 Ingushian
0.06003702 Turkish_Central
0.06109128 Azeri_Turkey
0.06232281 Adygei
0.06484647 Turkish_Aydin
0.06635851 Turkish_Kayseri
0.06649789 Turkish_Northwest
0.06678844 Turkish_Adana
0.06797262 Turkish_Southwest
0.06797272 Turkish_Balikesir
0.06849028 Turkish_East
0.06910088 Chechen


Presence of this sample shows how gradually Alanic(unmixed) population absorbed into Caucasians and formed the modern Northern Caucasians.

I just ran the DA161+Georgian Imer sample. It comes closer to Alans but it seems it is due to Caucasian input. Check
Target: RUS_Alan_MA
Distance: 5.1508% / 0.05150796
78.4 Georgian_Imer
21.6 TUR_Ottoman

Target: DA161+Imer
Distance: 6.3453% / 0.06345324
70.4 Georgian_Imer
29.6 Sarmatian_RUS_Urals

Target: DA161+Imer
Distance: 2.9475% / 0.02947518
66.4 Georgian_Imer
33.6 TUR_Ottoman

Target: RUS_Alan_MA
Distance: 1.8274% / 0.01827411
63.4 Georgian_Imer
36.6 Sarmatian_RUS_Urals

The non-Caucasian part for the Alan reference is very different than that of the outlier.
I subtracted about 50% Georgian Imer from Alan_MA, check the closest populations
0.04616225 KAZ_Turk_o
0.04912420 KAZ_Kangju
0.05017330 KAZ_Katon_Karagay_LBA
0.05532885 Saka_Kazakh_steppe_o2
0.05621029 Yamnaya_UKR_Ozera_o
0.06027499 Sarmatian_KAZ
0.06263704 HUN_Prescythian_IA
0.06342131 Sarmatian_RUS_Pokrovka
0.06346849 Sarmatian_RUS_Caspian_steppe
0.06400696 KAZ_Georgievsky2_LBA
0.06426228 Sarmatian_RUS_Urals
0.06572743 KAZ_Taldysay_MLBA2
0.06576660 TKM_IA
0.06663482 Saka_Kazakh_steppe_o1
0.06837437 Scythian_UKR
0.06884299 IRN_Hajji_Firuz_BA
0.06983627 TJK_Ksirov_H_Kushan
0.07033435 Sarmatian_RUS_Caucasus
0.07151120 Saka_Tian_Shan_o
0.07618421 KAZ_Chanchar2_LBA
0.07649689 UKR_Cimmerian
0.07819655 TJK_Dashti_Kozy_BA
0.07831662 RUS_Alan_MA
0.07875585 RUS_Steppe_Maykop_o
0.07904590 KAZ_Wusun
It seems Iranic

[goreleli]

can you upload new xiongnu samples to gedmatch if you know convert bam to vcf?

[Kaspias]

I just ran the DA161+Georgian Imer sample. It comes closer to Alans but it seems it is due to Caucasian input. Check
Target: RUS_Alan_MA
Distance: 5.1508% / 0.05150796
78.4 Georgian_Imer
21.6 TUR_Ottoman

Target: DA161+Imer
Distance: 6.3453% / 0.06345324
70.4 Georgian_Imer
29.6 Sarmatian_RUS_Urals

Target: DA161+Imer
Distance: 2.9475% / 0.02947518
66.4 Georgian_Imer
33.6 TUR_Ottoman

Target: RUS_Alan_MA
Distance: 1.8274% / 0.01827411
63.4 Georgian_Imer
36.6 Sarmatian_RUS_Urals

The non-Caucasian part for the Alan reference is very different than that of the outlier.
I subtracted about 50% Georgian Imer from Alan_MA, check the closest populations
0.04616225 KAZ_Turk_o
0.04912420 KAZ_Kangju
0.05017330 KAZ_Katon_Karagay_LBA
0.05532885 Saka_Kazakh_steppe_o2
0.05621029 Yamnaya_UKR_Ozera_o
0.06027499 Sarmatian_KAZ
0.06263704 HUN_Prescythian_IA
0.06342131 Sarmatian_RUS_Pokrovka
0.06346849 Sarmatian_RUS_Caspian_steppe
0.06400696 KAZ_Georgievsky2_LBA
0.06426228 Sarmatian_RUS_Urals
0.06572743 KAZ_Taldysay_MLBA2
0.06576660 TKM_IA
0.06663482 Saka_Kazakh_steppe_o1
0.06837437 Scythian_UKR
0.06884299 IRN_Hajji_Firuz_BA
0.06983627 TJK_Ksirov_H_Kushan
0.07033435 Sarmatian_RUS_Caucasus
0.07151120 Saka_Tian_Shan_o
0.07618421 KAZ_Chanchar2_LBA
0.07649689 UKR_Cimmerian
0.07819655 TJK_Dashti_Kozy_BA
0.07831662 RUS_Alan_MA
0.07875585 RUS_Steppe_Maykop_o
0.07904590 KAZ_Wusun
It seems Iranic

Great work, you might indeed have a point. I totally miss that option.

Can you subtract 50% Caucasian from DA161 and post both of the output coordinates? I can plot them in a PCA so we can compare them.

[Kaspias]

can you upload new xiongnu samples to gedmatch if you know convert bam to vcf?

I could, but they didn't share raw data for the public.

https://edmond.mpdl.mpg.de/imeji/collection/cogJX_dvd94nNI33

[xripkan]

Great work, you might indeed have a point. I totally miss that option.

Can you subtract 50% Caucasian from DA161 and post both of the output coordinates? I can plot them in a PCA so we can compare them.

I subtracted 50% Georgian Imer from average Alan and DA161. For the DA161 it does not seem very valid. The distances are too big.

The average Alan-50%Georgian seems Iranic

Distance to: alan-50%imer
0.04243698 KAZ_Katon_Karagay_LBA
0.04780336 KAZ_Turk_o
0.04805449 Yamnaya_UKR_Ozera_o
0.04881346 KAZ_Kangju
0.05515379 Saka_Kazakh_steppe_o2
0.05760889 Sarmatian_KAZ
0.05932830 Sarmatian_RUS_Pokrovka
0.05981893 KAZ_Georgievsky2_LBA
0.06000906 IRN_Hajji_Firuz_BA
0.06148176 Sarmatian_RUS_Caspian_steppe
0.06159017 TKM_IA
0.06219052 KAZ_Taldysay_MLBA2
0.06314986 Saka_Kazakh_steppe_o1
0.06345541 Sarmatian_RUS_Urals
0.06373902 HUN_Prescythian_IA
0.06493928 Scythian_UKR
0.06951413 Sarmatian_RUS_Caucasus
0.07041758 Saka_Tian_Shan_o
0.07163602 RUS_Kubano-Tersk_Late
0.07170254 TJK_Ksirov_H_Kushan
0.07212539 RUS_Alan_MA
0.07318627 TJK_Dashti_Kozy_BA
0.07348205 KAZ_Chanchar2_LBA
0.07494090 RUS_Steppe_Maykop_o
0.07542055 UKR_Cimmerian

It becomes even more interesting when I subtract 60% Georgian_Imer

Distance to: alan-60%imer
0.04145630 KAZ_Georgievsky2_LBA
0.04206195 Sarmatian_RUS_Pokrovka
0.04581397 Sarmatian_RUS_Caspian_steppe
0.04742247 Sarmatian_RUS_Urals
0.04782363 KAZ_Katon_Karagay_LBA
0.04790785 Saka_Kazakh_steppe_o2
0.04810937 KAZ_Kangju
0.05015796 Sarmatian_KAZ
0.05361632 KAZ_Turk_o
0.05373654 KAZ_Taldysay_MLBA2
0.05451186 UKR_Cimmerian
0.05934518 KAZ_Chanchar2_LBA
0.06041431 Sarmatian_RUS_Caucasus
0.06048239 Saka_Kazakh_steppe_o1
0.06334482 TJK_Dashti_Kozy_BA
0.06436831 KAZ_Shoendykol_MLBA_Fedorovo
0.06536590 KAZ_Oy_Dzhaylau_MLBA
0.06537055 KAZ_Dali_MLBA
0.06543809 Scythian_UKR
0.06646628 UZB_Kokcha_BA
0.06777236 KAZ_Zevakinskiy_BA
0.06838784 KAZ_Mys_MLBA
0.06939231 KAZ_Zevakinskiy_MLBA
0.07002593 Yamnaya_UKR_Ozera_o
0.07043976 KAZ_Kyzlbulak_MLBA2

DA161 after subtraction of 50% Imer

Distance to: DA161-50%imer
0.11584674 Karakalpak
0.11676027 Nogai
0.11938838 Hazara
0.12000083 Tatar_Siberian
0.12383406 Hazara_Afghanistan
0.12632514 Tubalar
0.12781795 Kazakh
0.12907065 Uygur
0.12960626 Shor_Mountain
0.13096007 Shor_Khakassia
0.13193941 Shor
0.13536994 Uzbek
0.13640495 Bashkir
0.14026257 Tatar_Siberian_Zabolotniye
0.14026266 Khakass
0.14504609 Yukagir_Forest
0.15168808 Kirghiz
0.15251888 Kirghiz_China
0.15983888 Turkmen_Uzbekistan
0.16689878 Altaian
0.16766322 Turkmen
0.16811012 Khakass_Kachins
0.17151759 Kazakh_China
0.17292536 Khanty
0.17465906 Mansi

It seems fully East Eurasian

These are the coordinates.

alan-50%imer,0.11177,0.07595,0.011154,0.0280362,-0.01422,0.019182,-0.000471,-0.008813,-0.027405,-0.032109,0.006105,0.006624,-0.00821,-0.020379,0.009745,0.018344,0.003684,-0.007397,-0.001959,0.005422,-0.003719,0.011698,0.003081,0.006285,-0.005524
DA161-50%imer,0.08707,-0.163696,0.04019,-0.016005,-0.0844,-0.00768,-0.004375,0.010737,-0.033365,0.006251,0.021555,-0.000458,0.006994,0.007073,-0.011917,0.006624,-0.05034,0.004909,0.042683,-0.00603,-0.024963,0.006306,-0.004955,0.033585,-0.035524
alan-60%imer,0.11268,0.06163,0.02944,0.046544,-0.00819,0.0262075,-0.0034325,-0.009597,-0.0182625,-0.0357535,0.007745,0.0050205,-0.00398,-0.0272835,0.011713,0.028895,0.00284,-0.008144,-7.3E-05,0.006395,-0.007525,0.0142825,0.003845,0.0096275,-0.006456

I tried to model some North Caucasian references as well. It seems there is a considerable Iranic input there.

Target: Darginian
Distance: 2.6421% / 0.02642143
41.6 RUS_North_Caucasus_MBA
32.4 TKM_IA
20.2 Sarmatian_RUS_Urals
5.8 RUS_Srubnaya_MLBA

Target: Avar
Distance: 2.0856% / 0.02085598
36.8 RUS_North_Caucasus_MBA
30.6 TKM_IA
18.6 Sarmatian_RUS_Urals
7.8 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
6.2 RUS_Srubnaya_MLBA


I also tried to make a 2/3 Caucasian and 1/3 Sarmatian refernece. The Sarmatian reference is mostly Steppe/Indo-European with low Siberian and pre-Iranic Central Asian ancestry. Check the closest ancient populations

Distance to: 2/3caucasian1/3sarmatian
0.03073305 RUS_Alan_MA
0.03797976 ARM_Lchashen_MBA
0.03933524 ARM_MBA
0.04047464 ARM_LBA
0.04106952 UZB_Dzharkutan2_BA
0.04906900 UZB_Sappali_Tepe_BA_o
0.05497818 RUS_Maykop
0.05608764 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_Historic
0.05929346 Levant_Megiddo_MLBA_o2
0.05972125 TJK_Ksirov_H_Kushan
0.06085902 Kura-Araxes_RUS_Velikent
0.06085961 RUS_Maykop_Late
0.06398347 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kalavan
0.06419269 IRN_Hajji_Firuz_IA
0.06602504 ARM_Areni_C
0.07100968 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
0.07173197 RUS_Maykop_Novosvobodnaya
0.07307504 IRN_Hasanlu_IA
0.07328036 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Talin
0.07372518 IRN_Hajji_Firuz_BA
0.07401544 RUS_Saltovo-Mayaki_low_res
0.07593904 TKM_IA
0.07670040 TUR_IA
0.07809270 Yamnaya_UKR_Ozera_o
0.07868325 RUS_North_Caucasus_MBA


Distance to: 2/3caucas1/3sarmatian
0.02804172 Azeri_Dagestan
0.02949801 Ingushian
0.03040613 Kumyk
0.03054072 Chechen
0.03230018 Balkar
0.03355844 Karachay
0.03448398 Circassian
0.03596467 Kabardin
0.03627151 North_Ossetian
0.03651181 Tabasaran
0.03689601 Cherkes
0.03878518 Abazin
0.03878518 Abazin
0.04043282 Adygei
0.04156667 Lak
0.04198080 Avar
0.04239889 Ossetian
0.04579779 Kaitag
0.04679078 Kubachinian
0.04871940 Darginian
0.05206009 Azeri
0.05268858 Talysh_Azerbaijan
0.05309685 Iranian_Fars
0.05401461 Iranian_Zoroastrian
0.05422348 Azeri_Turkey


For Caucasian part I used a combined reference (mostly Kura_Araxes_Arm). If I had used RUS_North_Caucasus_MBA maybe the distance to North Caucasians would be smaller.

I conclude that medieval Alans, like moden peoples of northern Caucasus, were mostly an Irano-Caucasian population. What do you think?

[Kaspias]

.

I also subtracted 50% Caucasian from individual samples, thinking it might be more useful to see individual plots.

https://i.ibb.co/BydQ44D/Ads-z.png

I can add any population to PCA if you have recommendations


DA243 and DA164 are in line with Sarmatians.
DA146 is pretty much Iranic shifted even compared to Sarmatians
DA162 may have 2/3 Caucasian rather than 50%.
DA160 is probably 75% Caucasian.
DA161 is Siberian shifted than other medieval Turkic samples. It can still be a good indicator of population mobility in Eurasia.
DA243 and DA164 forms the one cluster among Alan samples. Considering the other Alans are in the same line(DA146, DA162, DA160), these three can represent another wave of migration or different generations compared to DA243 and DA164. And North-South shift in PCA can be explained with gradually replaced Caucasian heritage. DA161 is a definitive outlier among all.


-50% Caucasian removed coordinates:


DA146,0.105856,0.092211,-0.029265,0.047933,-0.018896,0.054663,0.011657,-0.023861,-0.060785,-0.061195,-0.001493,0.030724,-0.000417,-0.037791,0.037215,0.061256,-0.008371,-0.013581,0.021319,-0.031565,-0.006513,0.024608,0.014765,0.015279,-0.006826
DA160,0.103578,0.063775,0.012219,-0.005685,-0.01828,-0.005019,0.006015,-0.010937,-0.017017,-0.009805,0.009873,-0.006144,-0.026283,-0.006413,-0.003501,-0.017768,-0.025059,-0.010287,-0.023933,-0.008303,0.007711,0.011252,-0.007419,-0.011953,-0.015448
DA162,0.110408,0.082055,0.011465,0.009173,-0.013356,0.012829,-0.004325,0.002447,-0.019879,-0.026935,0.005327,0.002548,-0.007849,-0.014121,0.006271,0.01432,0.017967,-0.008259,0.002967,-0.007803,-0.006265,-0.003586,-0.002489,0.004435,0.001556
DA164,0.124068,0.071899,0.033337,0.037597,-0.009662,0.016177,-0.016075,-0.004937,-0.016199,-0.024747,0.016369,0.019334,-0.000713,-0.019349,0.002199,0.032352,0.029441,0.002635,-0.011111,-0.002051,-0.008261,0.020156,0.012053,0.006363,0.005868
DA243,0.114962,0.069869,0.028059,0.051163,-0.010894,0.017291,0.000375,-0.006785,-0.023153,-0.037869,0.000455,-0.013338,-0.005769,-0.024305,0.006541,0.00159,0.004407,-0.007499,0.000955,0.007955,-0.005267,0.00606,-0.001503,0.017207,-0.012814
DA161,0.085368,-0.163703,0.040127,-0.016021,-0.084138,-0.007809,-0.004325,0.010753,-0.033379,0.006233,0.021565,-0.00045,0.007017,0.007073,-0.011917,0.00663,-0.050355,0.004915,0.042687,-0.019809,-0.024981,0.006306,-0.004955,0.009735,-0.035566

[xripkan]

I also subtracted 50% Caucasian from individual samples, thinking it might be more useful to see individual plots.

https://i.ibb.co/BydQ44D/Ads-z.png

I can add any population to PCA if you have recommendations


DA243 and DA164 are in line with Sarmatians.
DA146 is pretty much Iranic shifted even compared to Sarmatians
DA162 may have 2/3 Caucasian rather than 50%.
DA160 is probably 75% Caucasian.
DA161 is Siberian shifted than other medieval Turkic samples. It can still be a good indicator of population mobility in Eurasia.
DA243 and DA164 forms the one cluster among Alan samples. Considering the other Alans are in the same line(DA146, DA162, DA160), these three can represent another wave of migration or different generations compared to DA243 and DA164. And North-South shift in PCA can be explained with gradually replaced Caucasian heritage. DA161 is a definitive outlier among all.


-50% Caucasian removed coordinates:


DA146,0.105856,0.092211,-0.029265,0.047933,-0.018896,0.054663,0.011657,-0.023861,-0.060785,-0.061195,-0.001493,0.030724,-0.000417,-0.037791,0.037215,0.061256,-0.008371,-0.013581,0.021319,-0.031565,-0.006513,0.024608,0.014765,0.015279,-0.006826
DA160,0.103578,0.063775,0.012219,-0.005685,-0.01828,-0.005019,0.006015,-0.010937,-0.017017,-0.009805,0.009873,-0.006144,-0.026283,-0.006413,-0.003501,-0.017768,-0.025059,-0.010287,-0.023933,-0.008303,0.007711,0.011252,-0.007419,-0.011953,-0.015448
DA162,0.110408,0.082055,0.011465,0.009173,-0.013356,0.012829,-0.004325,0.002447,-0.019879,-0.026935,0.005327,0.002548,-0.007849,-0.014121,0.006271,0.01432,0.017967,-0.008259,0.002967,-0.007803,-0.006265,-0.003586,-0.002489,0.004435,0.001556
DA164,0.124068,0.071899,0.033337,0.037597,-0.009662,0.016177,-0.016075,-0.004937,-0.016199,-0.024747,0.016369,0.019334,-0.000713,-0.019349,0.002199,0.032352,0.029441,0.002635,-0.011111,-0.002051,-0.008261,0.020156,0.012053,0.006363,0.005868
DA243,0.114962,0.069869,0.028059,0.051163,-0.010894,0.017291,0.000375,-0.006785,-0.023153,-0.037869,0.000455,-0.013338,-0.005769,-0.024305,0.006541,0.00159,0.004407,-0.007499,0.000955,0.007955,-0.005267,0.00606,-0.001503,0.017207,-0.012814
DA161,0.085368,-0.163703,0.040127,-0.016021,-0.084138,-0.007809,-0.004325,0.010753,-0.033379,0.006233,0.021565,-0.00045,0.007017,0.007073,-0.011917,0.00663,-0.050355,0.004915,0.042687,-0.019809,-0.024981,0.006306,-0.004955,0.009735,-0.035566


What I think
Obviously DA243 and DA164 cluster with Sarmatians.
Alan DA146 has less than 50% Caucasian ancestry. His Iranic part though is more pre-Iranic Central Asian rather proto-Iranic/Steppe. Maybe a different Iranic migration wave or just a variation which existed among the Scytho-Sarmatian tribes.
DA160 is mostly Caucasian, as you mention.
DA162 is about 60% Caucasian in my opinion. His Iranic part must be similar to DA243 and DA164 but there is an influence from older Eastrn European Scythian tribes.
I would like to see at the PCA the Scythian Ukr and Sarmatian Urals.

[Fried]

What I think
Obviously DA243 and DA164 cluster with Sarmatians.
Alan DA146 has less than 50% Caucasian ancestry. His Iranic part though is more pre-Iranic Central Asian rather proto-Iranic/Steppe. Maybe a different Iranic migration wave or just a variation which existed among the Scytho-Sarmatian tribes.
DA160 is mostly Caucasian, as you mention.
DA162 is about 60% Caucasian in my opinion. His Iranic part must be similar to DA243 and DA164 but there is an influence from older Eastrn European Scythian tribes.
I would like to see at the PCA the Scythian Ukr and Sarmatian Urals.
As far as I know T-shaped catacombs as a burial method first appear in the Ith century among the Maeotian burials at the so called "Golden Cemetery" in the Kuban river basin. And I think these so called "Alans" are actually pre-Alanian inhabitants of the North Caucasus - either Sarmatized Maeotians or Maeotized Sarmatians or something like this. In the light of this conclusion, their autosomal proximity to the indigenous Caucasian populations becomes more explainable.