My mums first cousin on ancestryDNA

[Mortimer]

She is the daughter of my grandmothers (mums mothers) brother. My grandmother was 1/4 russian. My mum is 1/8 russian, I am 1/16 russian. Do you think in this case it shows in the baltic and germanic europe or this means nothing because other gypsies score too I score alot less then her.

https://i.ibb.co/S3JN69h/Ancestry-Slavica.jpg (https://ibb.co/6WNYyf3)

[Mortimer]

bump

[Mortimer]

https://scontent-vie1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.15752-9/121083977_862350227834481_3838822848839453485_n.jp g?_nc_cat=110&_nc_sid=ae9488&_nc_ohc=Te9gPAlTmUcAX8S6ks9&_nc_ht=scontent-vie1-1.xx&oh=a5bd4e12e720eabe7c80154a67b24b86&oe=5FA39D24

[Abriekman]

6,25% is small amount and Gypsy-Russian combo can spawn confusing results, because of shared Eastern European ancestry

For example AncestryDNA is confusing my Bulgarian with Sephardic, because of shared Southern Europe-like ancestry. Usually Sephardim on AncestryDNA get now 95% South Italy and 5% Western Asian. I have 1-2% Western Asian with 12% Balkans instead of South Italy, because I also have Balkanic ancestry, and Balkanic eats up all Italian-like admixture. You can have similiar situation

[Mortimer]

6,25% is small amount and Gypsy-Russian combo can spawn confusing results, because of shared Eastern European ancestry

For example AncestryDNA is confusing my Bulgarian with Sephardic, because of shared Southern Europe-like ancestry. Usually Sephardim on AncestryDNA get now 95% South Italy and 5% Western Asian. I have 1-2% Western Asian with 12% Balkans instead of South Italy, because I also have Balkanic ancestry, and Balkanic eats up all Italian-like admixture

yes but i think baltic-germanic is unlikely to be confused, there is another thing called eastern europe, but i didnt count it and it does make sense from what i was told by my family.

[Abriekman]

yes but i think baltic-germanic is unlikely to be confused, there is another thing called eastern europe, but i didnt count it and it does make sense from what i was told by my family.

I think your Russian ancestry is in Baltics. I am 1/8 Russian and I have 12% Baltics on FTDNA now without East Slavic for some reason

[Mortimer]

I think your Russian ancestry is in Baltics. I am 1/8 Russian and I have 12% Baltics on FTDNA now without East Slavic for some reason

I think that too, and it makes sense.

[Leto]

Is she fully Romani?

[Leto]

I think your Russian ancestry is in Baltics. I am 1/8 Russian and I have 12% Baltics on FTDNA now without East Slavic for some reason
What's your entire ancestry? Can you show your Gedmatch?

[Mortimer]

Is she fully Romani?

If you would read you would not ask

[Ion Basescul]

Nice forename :thumb001:
As for your question, that's just the company's way of balancing the components. I doubt the Russian ancestry is real.

[Leto]

If you would read you would not ask
Yeah but I count them as full Roma despite the supposed Russian ancestry.

[Mortimer]

Yeah but I count them as full Roma despite the supposed Russian ancestry.

Ok but if you know your opinion you don't need to ask

[Mortimer]

Nice forename :thumb001:
As for your question, that's just the company's way of balancing the components. I doubt the Russian ancestry is real.

Why do you doubt it is real it is not that distant my mum even had a picture of her ancestor

[Ion Basescul]

Why do you doubt it is real it is not that distant my mum even had a picture of her ancestor

Are the roots and ethnicity also confirmed? I am in doubt, because there is no reason for a Russian to be in Serbia and even more so settle there. It's too isolated from it.

[Mortimer]

Are the roots and ethnicity also confirmed? I am in doubt, because there is no reason for a Russian to be in Serbia and even more so settle there. It's too isolated from it.

I know his name that he was a Cossack and russian and my mum had a picture but not anymore Im sure it is true

[Abriekman]

What's your entire ancestry? Can you show your Gedmatch?

Ancestry: 68,75% East Polish 12,5% Kamchatkan Russian 6,25% Kuban Cossack 6,25% North Bulgarian 6,25% Eastern Sephardic Jew

Gedmatch: Eurogenes K13

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 80.4% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 19.6% Greek_Thessaly @ 2.54
2 83.7% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 16.3% Central_Greek @ 2.61
3 53% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 47% Moldavian @ 2.63
4 84.2% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 15.8% East_Sicilian @ 2.65
5 74% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 26% Bulgarian @ 2.69
6 85.3% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 14.7% South_Italian @ 2.72
7 84.1% Estonian_Polish + 15.9% Armenian @ 2.81
8 86.8% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 13.2% Algerian_Jewish @ 2.82
9 84.2% Russian_Smolensk + 15.8% Cyprian @ 2.83
10 84.4% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 15.6% West_Sicilian @ 2.92
11 85.3% Russian_Smolensk + 14.7% Armenian @ 2.94
12 85.3% Russian_Smolensk + 14.7% Assyrian @ 3.01
13 88% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 12% Cyprian @ 3.02
14 72.9% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 27.1% Romanian @ 3.04
15 85.1% Russian_Smolensk + 14.9% Georgian_Jewish @ 3.05
16 52.4% Southwest_Russian + 47.6% Moldavian @ 3.07
17 87% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 13% Italian_Jewish @ 3.08
18 84% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 16% Italian_Abruzzo @ 3.1
19 87.1% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 12.9% Sephardic_Jewish @ 3.12
20 84% Estonian_Polish + 16% Georgian_Jewish @ 3.12


HarappaWorld


# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 84.3% ukranian (yunusbayev) + 15.7% ashkenazy-jew (behar) @ 2.68
2 86.3% ukranian (yunusbayev) + 13.7% sephardic-jew (behar) @ 2.7
3 55.3% romanian-a (behar) + 44.7% lithuanian (behar) @ 2.73
4 86.4% ukranian (yunusbayev) + 13.6% morocco-jew (behar) @ 2.74
5 70.6% ukranian (yunusbayev) + 29.4% romanian-a (behar) @ 2.8
6 83.2% ukranian (yunusbayev) + 16.8% ashkenazi (harappa) @ 2.88
7 81.2% ukranian (yunusbayev) + 18.8% tuscan (1000genomes) @ 2.9
8 87.7% ukranian (yunusbayev) + 12.3% turkish (harappa) @ 3.03
9 88.3% ukranian (yunusbayev) + 11.7% kurd (harappa) @ 3.07
10 64.5% lithuanian (behar) + 35.5% ashkenazy-jew (behar) @ 3.08
11 88.3% ukranian (yunusbayev) + 11.7% cypriot (behar) @ 3.13
12 88.7% ukranian (yunusbayev) + 11.3% uzbekistan-jew (behar) @ 3.14
13 88.5% ukranian (yunusbayev) + 11.5% iraqi-arab (harappa) @ 3.15
14 73% ukranian (yunusbayev) + 27% bulgarian (yunusbayev) @ 3.16
15 88.5% ukranian (yunusbayev) + 11.5% lebanese (behar) @ 3.17
16 87.5% ukranian (yunusbayev) + 12.5% turk-kayseri (hodoglugil) @ 3.17
17 88.7% ukranian (yunusbayev) + 11.3% palestinian (harappa) @ 3.17
18 89.5% ukranian (yunusbayev) + 10.5% iraqi-mandaean (harappa) @ 3.18
19 89.4% ukranian (yunusbayev) + 10.6% assyrian (harappa) @ 3.18
20 88.5% ukranian (yunusbayev) + 11.5% iranian (behar) @ 3.19

[Leto]

Ancestry: 68,75% East Polish 12,5% Kamchatkan Russian 6,25% Kuban Cossack 6,25% North Bulgarian 6,25% Eastern Sephardic Jew

Gedmatch: Eurogenes K13

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 80.4% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 19.6% Greek_Thessaly @ 2.54
2 83.7% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 16.3% Central_Greek @ 2.61
3 53% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 47% Moldavian @ 2.63
4 84.2% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 15.8% East_Sicilian @ 2.65
5 74% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 26% Bulgarian @ 2.69
6 85.3% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 14.7% South_Italian @ 2.72
7 84.1% Estonian_Polish + 15.9% Armenian @ 2.81
8 86.8% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 13.2% Algerian_Jewish @ 2.82
9 84.2% Russian_Smolensk + 15.8% Cyprian @ 2.83
10 84.4% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 15.6% West_Sicilian @ 2.92
11 85.3% Russian_Smolensk + 14.7% Armenian @ 2.94
12 85.3% Russian_Smolensk + 14.7% Assyrian @ 3.01
13 88% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 12% Cyprian @ 3.02
14 72.9% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 27.1% Romanian @ 3.04
15 85.1% Russian_Smolensk + 14.9% Georgian_Jewish @ 3.05
16 52.4% Southwest_Russian + 47.6% Moldavian @ 3.07
17 87% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 13% Italian_Jewish @ 3.08
18 84% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 16% Italian_Abruzzo @ 3.1
19 87.1% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 12.9% Sephardic_Jewish @ 3.12
20 84% Estonian_Polish + 16% Georgian_Jewish @ 3.12


HarappaWorld


# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 84.3% ukranian (yunusbayev) + 15.7% ashkenazy-jew (behar) @ 2.68
2 86.3% ukranian (yunusbayev) + 13.7% sephardic-jew (behar) @ 2.7
3 55.3% romanian-a (behar) + 44.7% lithuanian (behar) @ 2.73
4 86.4% ukranian (yunusbayev) + 13.6% morocco-jew (behar) @ 2.74
5 70.6% ukranian (yunusbayev) + 29.4% romanian-a (behar) @ 2.8
6 83.2% ukranian (yunusbayev) + 16.8% ashkenazi (harappa) @ 2.88
7 81.2% ukranian (yunusbayev) + 18.8% tuscan (1000genomes) @ 2.9
8 87.7% ukranian (yunusbayev) + 12.3% turkish (harappa) @ 3.03
9 88.3% ukranian (yunusbayev) + 11.7% kurd (harappa) @ 3.07
10 64.5% lithuanian (behar) + 35.5% ashkenazy-jew (behar) @ 3.08
11 88.3% ukranian (yunusbayev) + 11.7% cypriot (behar) @ 3.13
12 88.7% ukranian (yunusbayev) + 11.3% uzbekistan-jew (behar) @ 3.14
13 88.5% ukranian (yunusbayev) + 11.5% iraqi-arab (harappa) @ 3.15
14 73% ukranian (yunusbayev) + 27% bulgarian (yunusbayev) @ 3.16
15 88.5% ukranian (yunusbayev) + 11.5% lebanese (behar) @ 3.17
16 87.5% ukranian (yunusbayev) + 12.5% turk-kayseri (hodoglugil) @ 3.17
17 88.7% ukranian (yunusbayev) + 11.3% palestinian (harappa) @ 3.17
18 89.5% ukranian (yunusbayev) + 10.5% iraqi-mandaean (harappa) @ 3.18
19 89.4% ukranian (yunusbayev) + 10.6% assyrian (harappa) @ 3.18
20 88.5% ukranian (yunusbayev) + 11.5% iranian (behar) @ 3.19
Hm, interesting. The Cossacks are Russians too, so you're more than 12.5%. And Kamchatka is a very recently settled region (19th century), so that doesn't mean much.
Post your admixture proportions from Euro K13 and Dodecad K12b.

[Abriekman]

Hm, interesting. The Cossacks are Russians too, so you're more than 12.5%. And Kamchatka is a very recently settled region (19th century), so that doesn't mean much.
Post your admixture proportions from Euro K13 and Dodecad K12b.

Yeah, I also have 1% Eskimo from my Kamchatkan great grandmother on FTDNA

K13

North_Atlantic 22.98 Pct
Baltic 41.68 Pct
West_Med 11.84 Pct
West_Asian 9.56 Pct
East_Med 8.34 Pct
Red_Sea 1.96 Pct
South_Asian 1.31 Pct
East_Asian 0.40 Pct
Siberian 0.32 Pct
Amerindian 0.57 Pct
Oceanian 1.03 Pct


Dodecad K12B

Gedrosia 5.64 Pct
Siberian 0.66 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 0.78 Pct
Atlantic_Med 21.98 Pct
North_European 49.98 Pct
South_Asian 0.49 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 2.98 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 17.49 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

[Leto]

Yeah, I also have 1% Eskimo from my Kamchatkan great grandmother on FTDNA

K13

North_Atlantic 22.98 Pct
Baltic 41.68 Pct
West_Med 11.84 Pct
West_Asian 9.56 Pct
East_Med 8.34 Pct
Red_Sea 1.96 Pct
South_Asian 1.31 Pct
East_Asian 0.40 Pct
Siberian 0.32 Pct
Amerindian 0.57 Pct
Oceanian 1.03 Pct


Dodecad K12B

Gedrosia 5.64 Pct
Siberian 0.66 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 0.78 Pct
Atlantic_Med 21.98 Pct
North_European 49.98 Pct
South_Asian 0.49 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 2.98 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 17.49 Pct
Sub_Saharan -
Interestingly you score the same amount of Baltic and North Atlantic as this Bosniak
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?320262-South-Slavic-amp-neighbours-gedmatch-results-vol-2&p=6930088&viewfull=1#post6930088

[Abriekman]

Interestingly you score the same amount of Baltic and North Atlantic as this Bosniak
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?320262-South-Slavic-amp-neighbours-gedmatch-results-vol-2&p=6930088&viewfull=1#post6930088

I checked, I have lower than for average Slav North Atlantic and Baltic, probably because of Bulgarian and Sephardic heritage?

[Leto]

I checked, I have lower than for average Slav North Atlantic and Baltic, probably because of Bulgarian and Sephardic heritage?
Yep, that should be the reason.

[Mortimer]

I asked my mum. She said she knows her great grandfather was a cossack and russian and on the picture she saw in her grandmothers house he looked like a "white guy" thats all she remembers that he was a white guy and his name was michael kachanov. I asked whether my great grandmother or daughter of that cossack looked mixed or white, and my mum said she didnt look really that much different then other gypsies, kinda like my own sister though she said a little olive complexioned.