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Maguzanci
10-10-2020, 09:45 AM
By Paleo-European, I mean pops like Vestonice, El Miron, Kostenki, Goyet, Sungir, etc?

Is it Baltics, Finns, Saamis and Uralics who have the most Paleo-European?

Maguzanci
10-10-2020, 11:32 AM
bump.

Komintasavalta
10-10-2020, 11:36 AM
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Grace O'Malley
10-10-2020, 11:36 AM
Baltics such as Lithuanians, Estonians, Latvians.

Rocinante
10-10-2020, 11:49 AM
Baltics

Maguzanci
10-10-2020, 12:59 PM
Baltics such as Lithuanians, Estonians, Latvians.

Interesting. I'm not that knowledgeable on European genetics, but I think I read somewhere that Kostenki, Sungir, Vestonice are also a unique West Eurasian branch from even WHG.

And that they are genetically closer to East Eurasians than modern day Europeans who have Basal Eurasian ancestry from their EEF/Neolithic Farmer and probably CHG ancestry.

If that's the case Baltics should be genetically closest to Mongoloids and other East Eurasians among modern Europeans if we don't count Finns, Saamis and Uralics.

Maguzanci
10-10-2020, 01:08 PM
Baltics

I heard that WHG is totally group from Kostenki/Sungir/Vestonice who are very unique West Eurasian branch. And that Paleolithic Europeans are genetically closer to East Eurasians than modern day Euroepans who have a lot of Basal Eurasian from their EEF and maybe CHG ancestry.

If that's the case, would Baltics be genetically closest to Mongoloids and other East Eurasians among modern Europeans not counting Finns, Saamis and Uralics (the latter two are like borderline case if we go by their significant Mongoloid ancestry)?

Grace O'Malley
10-10-2020, 01:58 PM
Interesting. I'm not that knowledgeable on European genetics, but I think I read somewhere that Kostenki, Sungir, Vestonice are also a unique West Eurasian branch from even WHG.

And that they are genetically closer to East Eurasians than modern day Europeans who have Basal Eurasian ancestry from their EEF/Neolithic Farmer and probably CHG ancestry.

If that's the case Baltics should be genetically closest to Mongoloids and other East Eurasians among modern Europeans if we don't count Finns, Saamis and Uralics.

They might be genetically closer to Mongoloids due to geography anyway which makes sense. The closeness to Mongoloids is exaggerated for populations like Finns etc as they are significantly closer to all Europeans than any Mongoloid group. When looking at G25 distances I was surprised to find Irish closer to Asian populations than the English are. I would guess that is due to having a slightly higher amount of Steppe.

Rocinante
10-10-2020, 05:04 PM
I heard that WHG is totally group from Kostenki/Sungir/Vestonice who are very unique West Eurasian branch. And that Paleolithic Europeans are genetically closer to East Eurasians than modern day Euroepans who have a lot of Basal Eurasian from their EEF and maybe CHG ancestry.

If that's the case, would Baltics be genetically closest to Mongoloids and other East Eurasians among modern Europeans not counting Finns, Saamis and Uralics (the latter two are like borderline case if we go by their significant Mongoloid ancestry)?

I think that what makes them closer to asian groups is the lack of neolithic ancestry on them, we all know that mongoloids have 0% of neolithic, but a bit of indo-european.

Maguzanci
10-10-2020, 05:11 PM
I think that what makes them closer to asian groups is the lack of neolithic ancestry on them, we all know that mongoloids have 0% of neolithic, but a bit of indo-european.

You mean Paleo-Europeans? Yes they do indeed lack Neolithic ancestry.

Mongoloids don't have indo-european though, not even a bit.

Rocinante
10-10-2020, 06:13 PM
You mean Paleo-Europeans? Yes they do indeed lack Neolithic ancestry.

Mongoloids don't have indo-european though, not even a bit.

Yes, you are right actually, they don't have indo-european, but i think the reason why they are more near mongoloids than rest of caucasoids, is because the lack of ANF. Every caucasoid is far from east asians.