Armenia or Azerbaijan. Who would you support?

[black hole]

https://cdni0.trtworld.com/w960/q75/84045_NagornoKarabakhlatest_1595241391696.jpg

https://www.virtualkarabakh.az/sekiller/bed7033b1abbe0d1515571747.jpg

[Teutone]

Armenia ofc.

[black hole]

Armenia ofc.




Polls are added.

[travv]

Azerbaijan

[Ülev]

cheap oil and gas, so basically I am "Russophobic" again

[black hole]

I wonder, how many TA members will vote for either Armenia or Azerbaijan, or neither.

[Caucasianturkk]

Azerbaijan.I am half Azerbaijan turk.
To Op,Who would you support ?

[Abriekman]

Azerbaijan. This is Azerbaijani land by law, Armenia needs to give it back

[Satem]

I don't have any interest in taking any side, neutral

[amwot]

Fuck your law bitch and fuck U Azeri dogs. Our land. Power hungry grub.

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[Caucasianturkk]

Fuck your law bitch and fuck U Azeri dogs. Our land. Power hungry grub.

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Yeah.Your ancestors thought like that in 1915

[Ascended]

I want the Azeris to continue drink smoke eat pork, and still be called Jihadis by the World Community, it will be a BIG lesson for my Ummah...

[oszkar07]

Polls are added.

wasnt there already an existing thread and pole about this.

[Adamm]

neutral

[black hole]

wasnt there already an existing thread and pole about this.




No.

[Edgü]

The people who vote for Armenia are retarded

[travv]

The new video footage of liberated from the occupation Horadiz village of the Fizuli region.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1iMxXESGUuo&feature=emb_title

[Cristiano viejo]

I dont give a fuck but Armenians are something Christian while the others are Muslims :whistle:

[Blondie]

armenia

[Dr_Maul]

I support Azerbaijan and it’s territorial integrity, 100%

On the other hand, I don’t want the Armenians living in Karabag to be hurt, killed or assimilated by the Azeri government if they were to punish the autonomous zone.

Azerbaijan should re establish control in Karabag and give the local peoples complete minority rights.

[Westbrook]

Me either. I guess whoever can hold the land by force deserves it. That is the way of our species...
I don't have any interest in taking any side, neutral

[Wehrmacht]

*NONE. I do not give a damn about both of them.*

Why is the world's media making a noisy fuss on social media about such a small, irrelevant and backward piece of land named Karabag?

[sean]

Neither.

We should not concern ourselves with non-white wars. People who care about this forever wars in Middle East and the rest of West Asia are no different than the Jew who wants the United States to get involved to defend his country.

[wvwvw]

Neither.

We should not concern ourselves with non-white wars. People who care about this forever wars in Middle East and the rest of West Asia are no different than the Jew who wants the United States to get involved to defend his country.

Too late. Nato's darling Turkey is involved and if it is not stopped the war might spiral out of control and many more countries may get involved:

Turkey’s game is lethal, as Johnson well knows
The PM’s forebear was lynched for condemning the Armenian genocide
Dominic Lawson
Sunday October 11 2020, 12.01am BST, The Sunday Times

Try to imagine, if you can, Germany intervening militarily in a dispute between Israel and the Palestinians by sending mercenaries to fight against the Jewish state, using its fighter planes to down Israeli ones, and drones to bomb civilian areas. It is impossible to imagine, because modern Germany is profoundly conscious of its historical record and the associated moral responsibility: Holocaust denial is a criminal offence, and Berlin has many memorials to the Jewish victims.

The exact opposite, in fact, of Turkey, where article 301 of the penal code makes it an offence to refer to the coldly planned and executed mass murder of its Armenian population in 1915 as “genocide” and where even great novelists such as Orhan Pamuk and Elif Shafak have faced prosecution for allowing their fictional characters to speak in such terms.

And so President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan sees only political gain in redirecting thousands of Turkey’s client jihadists from the Syrian civil war to fight alongside Azerbaijan’s army against Armenian forces in the disputed enclave of Nagorno-Karabakh, operating drones targeting the population in its capital, and using its fighter planes in Armenian airspace, with lethal results.

This territory, which has always had a predominantly Armenian population, was allocated to what was then the Azerbaijan Soviet Socialist Republic by Stalin. With the dissolution of the Soviet Union, its people voted for independence. This led to a war in which thousands were killed and many more displaced, but a Russian-brokered peace subsequently held — until two weeks ago, when Azerbaijan reopened hostilities. What is entirely new is the direct involvement of an outside power — Turkey — in what had previously been a purely local conflict...

Read the rest: https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/comment/turkeys-game-is-lethal-as-johnson-well-knows-5zz5v57kx

[wvwvw]

NATO isn't about repelling a third world invasion only a Russian invasion. Literally no one gives a fuck about Karabakh but Armenians and Turks. At worst, NATO will throw Turkey into it and Russia will throw Iran in. It's another proxy conflict and business venture for military corporations and contractors.

This will not spill over into Europe like the Kosovo conflict in the Balkans.

Caucasus is not considered third world.

Nato will throw Turkey in? Are you for real? Turkey is increasingly seen a trouble-maker and a terrorist state by Nato.

Article after article point out that Turkey not an ally but a threat to world peace.

It's Time for Trump to Soberly Confront the Rising Turkish Threat
https://www.newsweek.com/its-time-trump-soberly-confront-rising-turkish-threat-opinion-1536864

[sean]

Caucasus is not considered third world.

Yea right. Even TA ruskies don't think so lel.

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?308759-Anna-Khilkevich-I-m-ashamed-of-Russian-men&p=6373015&viewfull=1#post6373015


Nato will throw Turkey in? Are you for real? Turkey is increasingly seen a trouble-maker and a terrorist state by Nato. Article after article point out that Turkey not an ally but a threat to world peace.

It's clear NATO doesn't actually want Turkey in their alliance, but the problem is the rules were drafted in such a way that another member state cannot be kicked out. There is either going to have to be some crafty legalwork to boot them, or they're just going to completely ignore their struggle by blaming Turkey as the aggressor even if Greece or Russia starts shit, and therefore no need to be called to war (as it was not defensive in nature).

The ONLY reason Turkey is in NATO is because of the location of the land for bases.

Even in Syria, when Turkey asked NATO to join its war, although NATO have the means to completely destroy Syria's military infrastructure within a week, if I remember correctly a 2014 study showed Syria would likely capitulate within 6-10 days of bombardment aka shock and awe.

The only thing holding NATO back is not so much an unpredictable Russia because Russia is very predictable, the main fear is that post-Assad Syria as a state will completely collapse and Europe will be deluged with millions more arab refugees. A ground invasion like Iraq 2003 could prevent this but this would be extremely costly. Same thing for Turkey. They collapse and you get flooded.

[Dard]

NATO isn't about repelling a third world invasion only a Russian invasion. Literally no one gives a fuck about Karabakh but Armenians and Turks. At worst, NATO will throw Turkey into it and Russia will throw Iran in. It's another proxy conflict and business venture for military corporations and contractors.

This will not spill over into Europe like the Kosovo conflict in the Balkans.

That's true, NATO's main purpose is to prevent Russian presence from spreading to the West.

[oszkar07]

In the end I would hope for Peace, being a keyboard warrior is easy but there isnt anything nice about war in real life.
Glory is only deserved by people who do the fighting not from spectators who do no more than yell from some safe sideline.

Concerning the OP in this situation Armenians of Artsakh were attacked.
Was the attack encouraged by Turkey.
Is this all connected to Turkey flexing up in the region ever since US forces left thr MiddleEast.


Given all these contexts I support Armenians rights to defend themselves and their homes.

Nor do I support the agendas of the aggressor states seemingly just war for increasing territory at the cost of many lives.

[Arsen_]

I'd like to ask these users (Adamm, akva, Ascended, Cristiano viejo, Hahns, Pleksi, Wehrmacht, Westbrook, Ulev) who vote that they do not give a damn, so you do not give a damn that one side declare its goal as the total extermination of other people and other side just want to defend own population?

[Armenian Bishop]

Fuck your law bitch and fuck U Azeri dogs. Our land. Power hungry grub.

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I Agree: It looks brutally honest, but you're basically right.

[XenophobicPrussian]

Couldn't care less, so neither, but Armenia is obviously in the moral right here.

[PaleoEuropean]

Normans and Armenians are brothers in arms


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BV5Z_CHbkAw

[Satem]

I'd like to ask these users (Adamm, akva, Ascended, Cristiano viejo, Hahns, Pleksi, Wehrmacht, Westbrook, Ulev) who vote that they do not give a damn, so you do not give a damn that one side declare its goal as the total extermination of other people and other side just want to defend own population?

The options in poll are based, OP is Russian it was obvious the options will be manipulated lol(I also can imagine how OP will make thread in forums like Balto-Slavica, to judge whole nations basing on these polls). Neutrality doesn't mean someone doesn't care. Maybe there are undecided people like who just don't know which side to take simply because he doesn't know much about the conflict. And no I don't have enough time to learn about them. I have my studies, I have my own life. It also doesn't mean I don't read news but these are not enough to be expert, right?

[Crn Volk]

Armenia

[Armenian Bishop]

Neither.

We should not concern ourselves with non-white wars. People who care about this forever wars in Middle East and the rest of West Asia are no different than the Jew who wants the United States to get involved to defend his country.

You're bigoted comment deserved a downvote. Not all West Asia is one and the same, you hopeless juvenile dolt. Your clueless stupidity shown there, is on the level of a sociopath. Also, "Creoda" whom I previously respected, has earned some disdain for up-voting you Sean.

[XenophobicPrussian]

You're bigoted comment deserved a downvote. Not all West Asia is one and the same, you hopeless juvenile dolt. Your clueless stupidity shown there, is on the level of a sociopath. Also, "Creoda" whom I previously respected, has earned some disdain for up-voting you Sean.
Hmm, true, Azerbaijan is whiter and has more steppe than Armenia, probably wanna support the Azeris then.

[Armenian Bishop]

Hmm, true, Azerbaijan is whiter and has more steppe than Armenia, probably wanna support the Azeris then.

Even if you're right, which I seriously doubt, your tunnel-vision is blindly stupid. You exhibit no capacity to see the ethnical principles that Made Western Civilization Great. There're moral principles that demand our attention, whether we like it or not.

But, I don't expect you to understand, because your mind is lost in a Who's Whiter Wonderland Storybook. :picard2:

[FinalFlash]

Even if you're right, which I seriously doubt, your tunnel-vision is blindly stupid. You exhibit no capacity to see the ethnical principles that Made Western Civilization Great. There're moral principles that demand our attention, whether we like it or not.

But, I don't expect you to understand, because you're mind is lost in a Who's Whiter Wonderland Storybook. :picard2:

Some people are seriously mentally deranged here.

[Creoda]

You're bigoted comment deserved a downvote. Not all West Asia is one and the same, you hopeless juvenile dolt. Your clueless stupidity shown there, is on the level of a sociopath. Also, "Creoda" whom I previously respected, has earned some disdain for up-voting you Sean.
Chill out. I haven't commented on this conflict and don't intend to. I was upvoting the sentiment that we as White Westerners shouldn't get invested in perpetual Middle Eastern conflicts or allow ourselves to be dragged into them, when we have much bigger problems at home, as recent history has taught. Not everybody is half Armenian.

[travv]

The Suleymanli village of the Jabrayil region liberated from the occupation.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4b9j2cC1zQ

[Armenian Bishop]

Chill out. I haven't commented on this conflict and don't intend to. I was upvoting the sentiment that we as White Westerners shouldn't get invested in perpetual Middle Eastern conflicts or allow ourselves to be dragged into them, when we have much bigger problems at home, as recent history has taught. Not everybody is half Armenian.

Sean was bundling all West Asians together, he tried to say that Armenian Christians are one and the same thing as Azerbaijanis or Turks. And, you upvoted it, which means that you agreed.

[Creoda]

Sean was bundling all West Asians together, he tried to say that Armenian Christians are one and the same thing as Azerbaijanis or Turks. And, you upvoted it, which means that you agreed.Nonsense, I said what I upvoted. Being uninterested in a foreign conflict doesn't mean you think both parties are the same, or even that you're neutral.

[Radimir]

I support Armenia.

[King Niko]

Armenia, if war was declared, Armenia would lose if Turkey was involved directly, but the lasting effect would bring so much war in the area and then torko hoes would be begging for peace when countries beat them lol if azerbaijan is tight country then armenia is a crowbar and would break that junky tweaker country that was delivered by ali express

[Armenian Bishop]

Nonsense, I said what I upvoted. Being uninterested in a foreign conflict doesn't mean you think both parties are the same, or even that you're neutral.

Probably, I won't say more about this, especially because you (as you said) merely upvoted a comment, and it isn't my primary concern. But, I have to say, that you upvoted Sean's Comment, which is about what Sean said, not entirely about your neutrality. By upvoting Sean's comment, you didn't just approve his neutrality, you also quietly approved his way of dissing West Asia. West Asians aren't one and the same.

[XenophobicPrussian]

Probably, I won't say more about this, especially because you (as you said) merely upvoted a comment, and it isn't my primary concern. But, I have to say, that you upvoted Sean's Comment, which is about what Sean said, not entirely about your neutrality. By upvoting Sean's comment, you didn't just approve his neutrality, you also quietly approved his way of dissing West Asia. West Asians aren't one and the same.
Right again, the Muslim ones tend to get less often into organized crime. :laugh:

[Teutone]

You're bigoted comment deserved a downvote. Not all West Asia is one and the same, you hopeless juvenile dolt. Your clueless stupidity shown there, is on the level of a sociopath. Also, "Creoda" whom I previously respected, has earned some disdain for up-voting you Sean.

Same.

[Vishap]

Normans and Armenians are brothers in arms


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BV5Z_CHbkAw

Catholic Armenians are called Franks by Orthodox Armenians.

[Vishap]

Azerbaijan is whiter

Do you have an azeri granddaddy? Stupid Piefke.

[Ascended]

Same.


Are you really German? Something Asiatic/Woggy about your soul...I'm on to you Teutoni, my Spidey senses tingling.

Did you really convert to Islam in 2001?

[Teutone]

Are you really German? Something Asiatic/Woggy about your soul...I'm on to you Teutoni, my Spidey senses tingling.

Did you really convert to Islam in 2001?

According to 23andme im 45% Ashkenazi jewish

The fact that most NW Europeans here are nordicist pagan scum really makes me appear different.

[Faklon]

Right again, the Muslim ones tend to get less often into organized crime. :laugh:

Thus spoke Xenofobik, meanwhile Urop is full of Moroccan gangs and the Grey Wolves smuggle immigrants.

[Vishap]

According to 23andme im 45% Ashkenazi jewish

The fact that most NW Europeans here are nordicist pagan scum really makes me appear different.

I wanna hug you.

[Teutone]

Thus spoke Xenofobik, meanwhile Urop is full of Moroccan gangs and the Grey Wolves smuggle immigrants.

Nordicist gain their self esteem by talk down every other ethnicity, funny is that alot if not most TA nordicists end up being complexed ethnics.

Vishap can confirm noone in Germany does even know a phenotype, terms like woggy, swarthy etc dont even exist here and even nationalists dont give a fuck.

[Ascended]

My instincts never fail me

Subhan ALLAH

[Teutone]

My instincts never fail me

Subhan ALLAH

Molashe Teutonenstein

[Faklon]

Nordicist gain their self esteem by talk down every other ethnicity, funny is that alot if not most TA nordicists end up being complexed ethnics.

Vishap can confirm noone in Germany does even know a phenotype, terms like woggy, swarthy etc dont even exist here and even nationalists dont give a fuck.

Xeno's quest is not to talk down on every ethnicity, he probably thinks that Christian MENAs capitalize on his "whiteness" (a man who downplays half of his ancestry but whatever). In this regard, he perceives them as worse than Muslims and he's going to disgrace them even more. It's another level of insecurity, POC NGOs and Erdogan are partying right now.

[Vishap]

Nordicist gain their self esteem by talk down every other ethnicity, funny is that alot if not most TA nordicists end up being complexed ethnics.

Vishap can confirm noone in Germany does even know a phenotype, terms like woggy, swarthy etc dont even exist here and even nationalists dont give a fuck.

We say Kanake but it's almost become trendy to be a Kanake, especially for the German youth. I've seen many German teenagers who degraded themselves like "I wish I was a Kanake, I'm just a German potato". I've been called a Kanake by some Nordicist pagan larper once and quite often by actual Muslim Kanakes who wanted to drag me down to their level out of jealousy.

[Faklon]

We say Kanake but it's almost become trendy to be a Kanake, especially for the German youth. I've seen many German teenagers who degraded themselves like "I wish I was a Kanake, I'm just a German potato". I've been called a Kanake by some Nordicist pagan larper once and quite often by actual Muslim Kanakes who wanted to drag me down to their level out of jealousy.

Kanake sounds like sausage rolls Kanaki,

https://cdn.mymarket.gr/cdn/farfuture/zwHjjBZLctuohYxfDxovUUCKg9Wx2c5Kvyd-jdS7ugo/1548626419/sites/default/files/157030_a.png

Someone whould take the initiative and troll Durks with this.

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

After reading on the subject and following the events in recent weeks, I am inclined to support Nagorno Karabakh Republic's right to self-determination, so I will vote for Armenia in the poll.

Anyone who is not biased will acknowledge that the region was artificially handed to the Azerbaijan Soviet Socialist Republic in a clear political maneuver to allow the control of the region by the central committee and divert attention by creating ethnic conflicts.

This region has been inhabited by Armenians for longer than the foundation of many European countries. Since international law makes it virtually impossible for Armenia to absorb this region, it should at least see its right to self-determination guaranteed.

[Vishap]

Kanake sounds like sausage rolls Kanaki,

https://cdn.mymarket.gr/cdn/farfuture/zwHjjBZLctuohYxfDxovUUCKg9Wx2c5Kvyd-jdS7ugo/1548626419/sites/default/files/157030_a.png

Someone whould take the initiative and troll Durks with this.

LOL. Better than Negerkuss hahahahaha.

[Teutone]

We say Kanake but it's almost become trendy to be a Kanake, especially for the German youth. I've seen many German teenagers who degraded themselves like "I wish I was a Kanake, I'm just a German potato". I've been called a Kanake by some Nordicist pagan larper once and quite often by actual Muslim Kanakes who wanted to drag me down to their level out of jealousy.

Identitarian or at least reactionary Germans are the only hope, yet small in numbers.

I hope Kubitschek can increase his intellectual influence.

I never wanted to be associated to the retarded neo-nazis, civic-nationalist or FB patriots.

The vital part is the christian identity or the open call for a religious element to heal the German soul, secularism is really cancer.

[Vishap]

Identitarian or at least reactionary Germans are the only hope, yet small in numbers.

I hope Kubitschek can increase his intellectual influence.

I never wanted to be associated to the retarded neo-nazis, civic-nationalist or FB patriots.

The vital part is the christian identity or the open call for a religious element to heal the German soul, secularism is really cancer.

Kubitschek is a fascinating intellectual. I'd like to see him increase his influence as well. I was knee-deep into Identitarianism a while ago, I still see it as a decent movement worthy of support, but the problem is that it attracts neo-Nazis, Landser fans and bio-deutsch racialist types like Frank Krämer (who is a cool guy btw). The reason I describe that as a problem is because I'm more into cultural nationalism and I approach the concept of ethnic identity as a cultural phenomenon instead of a racial one.

[Teutone]

Kubitschek is a fascinating intellectual. I'd like to see him increase his influence as well. I was knee-deep into Identitarianism a while ago, I still find see it as a decent movement worthy of support, but the problem is that it attracts neo-Nazis, Landser fans and bio-deutsch racialist types like Frank Krämer (who is a cool guy btw). The reason I describe that as a problem is because I'm more into cultural nationalism and I approach the concept of ethnic identity as a cultural phenomenon instead of a racial one.

Krämer is not a identitarian, hes part of the old right and made videos criticizing the IB. But I am a ethno-nationalist myself, thats a German concept and connected to our history. Die assimilation ethnisch fremder Personen hat eine klare Kapazitätsgrenze. Dir fällt es als Christ und Armenier bestimmt leichter dich zu assimilieren.

[Kamal900]

Had we Arabs remained Christians then the whole region would be a completely different place indeed like the Abjar dynasty or the Nabateans who were among the first Arabs to convert to Christianity hence why the old pagan writing systems like Safaitic and Hismaic that were used to write Arabic died out in the 4th century since many Arabs began converting to Christianity and adopted the Nabatean script which became the Arabic script we know it today.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOUWYPYfuoA

Anyway, I support the Armenians which proves that the conflict isn't a religious one since..well, Azeris aren't remotely religious, and Turkey is just simply using the Islamists as cannon fodder for their own goals and agendas in the region. I have nothing against the Turkish and Azeri peoples at all, just against certain foreign policies of their respective governments it's all. In other words, unlike most members here, I support the Armenians not based on religious reasoning.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_06wi50Cwo

[travv]

Liberated from occupation Hadrut settlement.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5wO6jgMFgc

[Vishap]

Die assimilation ethnisch fremder Personen hat eine klare Kapazitätsgrenze. Dir fällt es als Christ und Armenier bestimmt leichter dich zu assimilieren.

Ich betrachte mich aufgrund der Nationalität als Deutscher aber ich würde mich nicht als Deutscher bezeichnen weil ich einfach ethnisch kein Deutscher bin. Ich würde mindestens einen deutschstämmigen Elternteil benötigen um mich als Deutscher zu bezeichnen denke ich. Seit ich hier geboren bin, bin ich kulturell zumindest teilweise deutsch, zusätzlich zu dem was ich von meinen Eltern geerbt habe.

In der Antike war es wahrscheinlich viel einfacher sich zu assimilieren wenn sich Menschen aus religiösen oder politischen Gründen miteinander identifizierten, was ihnen half, ihre Kulturen organisch weiterzuentwickeln und Konzepte wie Nationalität oder Rasse die wir für stabil und unveränderlich halten nicht erkannten . Heutzutage gibt es zu viele Hindernisse für den Eintritt in eine ethnische Zugehörigkeit die sich aus dem modernen säkularen Verständnis der nationalen und rassischen Zugehörigkeit ergeben. Damit eine Assimilation stattfinden kann muss eine Generation ihre frühere ethnische Identität vergessen oder sich zumindest nicht mehr damit identifizieren und von den Mitgliedern der ethnischen Zugehörigkeit, in die sie sich assimilieren wollen, akzeptiert werden. Wenn eine Person sagt "Ich bin X, aber ich lebe in Y und ich liebe es", ist diese Person vielleicht integriert aber nicht assimiliert. Wenn er sich entscheidet morgen Y zu werden, sich selbst Y zu nennen und sich als Y vorzustellen, dann ist er der Integration voraus und näher an der Assimilation... eventuell werden seine Kinder oder Enkelkinder assimiliert. Dies geschieht jedoch nie im 21. Jahrhundert weil säkulare Menschen die sich mit säkularen Konzepten identifizieren absolut keinen Grund haben etwas anderes werden zu wollen und deshalb klingt es lächerlich wenn ein X anfängt sich Y zu nennen.

Dies ist heutzutage ein sehr schwieriger Prozess da Menschen auch Arschlöcher sind. Jeder Versuch eines Individuums wird sowohl von den Mitgliedern der Herkunftsethnizität als auch der Zielethnizität entmutigt und das Individuum wird verspottet und erniedrigt.

Lustige Frage aber sehen siehst du Attila Hildmann als Deutscher? Wenn er nicht wüsste dass seine leiblichen Eltern Türken sind würde er nur die Wege seiner deutschen Eltern kennen. Was ist also das Deutschtum? Rasse oder Kultur?

[Teutone]

Ich betrachte mich aufgrund der Nationalität als Deutscher aber ich würde mich nicht als Deutscher bezeichnen weil ich einfach ethnisch kein Deutscher bin. Ich würde mindestens einen deutschstämmigen Elternteil benötigen um mich als Deutscher zu bezeichnen denke ich. Seit ich hier geboren bin, bin ich kulturell zumindest teilweise deutsch, zusätzlich zu dem was ich von meinen Eltern geerbt habe.

In der Antike war es wahrscheinlich viel einfacher sich zu assimilieren wenn sich Menschen aus religiösen oder politischen Gründen miteinander identifizierten, was ihnen half, ihre Kulturen organisch weiterzuentwickeln und Konzepte wie Nationalität oder Rasse die wir für stabil und unveränderlich halten nicht erkannten . Heutzutage gibt es zu viele Hindernisse für den Eintritt in eine ethnische Zugehörigkeit die sich aus dem modernen säkularen Verständnis der nationalen und rassischen Zugehörigkeit ergeben. Damit eine Assimilation stattfinden kann muss eine Generation ihre frühere ethnische Identität vergessen oder sich zumindest nicht mehr damit identifizieren und von den Mitgliedern der ethnischen Zugehörigkeit, in die sie sich assimilieren wollen, akzeptiert werden. Wenn eine Person sagt "Ich bin X, aber ich lebe in Y und ich liebe es", ist diese Person vielleicht integriert aber nicht assimiliert. Wenn er sich entscheidet morgen Y zu werden, sich selbst Y zu nennen und sich als Y vorzustellen, dann ist er der Integration voraus und näher an der Assimilation... eventuell werden seine Kinder oder Enkelkinder assimiliert. Dies geschieht jedoch nie im 21. Jahrhundert weil säkulare Menschen die sich mit säkularen Konzepten identifizieren absolut keinen Grund haben etwas anderes werden zu wollen und deshalb klingt es lächerlich wenn ein X anfängt sich Y zu nennen.

Dies ist heutzutage ein sehr schwieriger Prozess da Menschen auch Arschlöcher sind. Jeder Versuch eines Individuums wird sowohl von den Mitgliedern der Herkunftsethnizität als auch der Zielethnizität entmutigt und das Individuum wird verspottet und erniedrigt.

Lustige Frage aber sehen siehst du Attila Hildmann als Deutscher? Wenn er nicht wüsste dass seine leiblichen Eltern Türken sind würde er nur die Wege seiner deutschen Eltern kennen. Was ist also das Deutschtum? Rasse oder Kultur?

Werde dir Ausführlich in einer PN Antworten :)

[Armenian Bishop]

Liberated from occupation Hadrut settlement.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5wO6jgMFgc

Azerbaijan takes flag photographs at some buildings. :lols:

https://armenpress.am/eng/news/1031501.html


YEREVAN, OCTOBER 13, ARMENPRESS. The representative of the Defense Ministry of Armenia Artsrun Hovhannisyan presented the policy of Azerbaijan in its war against Artsakh for the recent days. ARMENPRESS reports Hovhannisyan said that the policy was developed as a result of military failures.

‘’In the recent days the Azerbaijani armed forces has adopted the following policy – by carrying out rapid infiltrations by subversive- reconnaissance actions to settlements near the front line, they hover flags on various buildings and take photos, aiming to have some psychological impact on their, as well as our public. The reality is the following – following a long-term military operations, wasting the majority of the potential of their armed forces, having no significant advance or success in their attacks, it’s necessary to deliver such news to their public’’, Hovhannisyan said.

Artsrun Hovhannisyan added that during these days Azerbaijan managed to solve a military task of one regiment, using the3-4 army corps.

‘’By and large, the three or four Azeri army corps, which have made progress on the scale of a combat task for one regiment, have little to praise. Any foreign military expert will confirm my words. After this they have nothing to do but send subversive- reconnaissance groups to various settlements, take photos near some buildings and present them as the municipality of the village or the town’’, Hovhannisyan said.

Azerbaijan unleashed full-scale war against Artsakh on September 27, directly supported by Turkey and terrorist groups sent by Turkey to the conflict zone. Azerbaijan indiscriminately bombs cities and villages of Artsakh, killing and injuring numerous civilians, damaging infrastructures. So far Armenia has reported 525 military casualties. Azerbaijan keeps secret the number of casualties, but according to the Armenian side, Azerbaijan has suffered nearly 5000 casualties, including regular army servicemen and terrorists.

On October 10 Foreign Ministers of Armenia and Azerbaijan reached an agreement on humanitarian ceasefire in Moscow, but Azerbaijan started violation of the ceasefire immediately after it was declared. Particularly, it continued bombing cities and launching attacks in the north-eastern and southern directions of the front line. Right now fighting continues nearby Hadrut city of Artsakh.

Azerbaijan is directly and overtly supported by Turkey, which has its F-16 fighter jets in Azerbaijan, as well as has sent thousands of jihadist terrorists to the region to fight against Armenian forces.

The ICRC said they will not start any humanitarian mission until the ceasefire on Azerbaijan-Artsakh contact line is fully respected.

[Teutone]

Antworte dir doch hier mein Bester.



Ich betrachte mich aufgrund der Nationalität als Deutscher aber ich würde mich nicht als Deutscher bezeichnen weil ich einfach ethnisch kein Deutscher bin. Ich würde mindestens einen deutschstämmigen Elternteil benötigen um mich als Deutscher zu bezeichnen denke ich. Seit ich hier geboren bin, bin ich kulturell zumindest teilweise deutsch, zusätzlich zu dem was ich von meinen Eltern geerbt habe.

Es ist ja heute schonmal eine ausnahme wenn man sich freiwillig als deutscher bezeichnen will, die Frage ist jedoch mit welchen deutschen Werten du dich identifiziert? Mit den klassischen Werten oder den Postmodernen liberalen BRD Werten.


In der Antike war es wahrscheinlich viel einfacher sich zu assimilieren wenn sich Menschen aus religiösen oder politischen Gründen miteinander identifizierten, was ihnen half, ihre Kulturen organisch weiterzuentwickeln und Konzepte wie Nationalität oder Rasse die wir für stabil und unveränderlich halten nicht erkannten . Heutzutage gibt es zu viele Hindernisse für den Eintritt in eine ethnische Zugehörigkeit die sich aus dem modernen säkularen Verständnis der nationalen und rassischen Zugehörigkeit ergeben. Damit eine Assimilation stattfinden kann muss eine Generation ihre frühere ethnische Identität vergessen oder sich zumindest nicht mehr damit identifizieren und von den Mitgliedern der ethnischen Zugehörigkeit, in die sie sich assimilieren wollen, akzeptiert werden. Wenn eine Person sagt "Ich bin X, aber ich lebe in Y und ich liebe es", ist diese Person vielleicht integriert aber nicht assimiliert. Wenn er sich entscheidet morgen Y zu werden, sich selbst Y zu nennen und sich als Y vorzustellen, dann ist er der Integration voraus und näher an der Assimilation... eventuell werden seine Kinder oder Enkelkinder assimiliert. Dies geschieht jedoch nie im 21. Jahrhundert weil säkulare Menschen die sich mit säkularen Konzepten identifizieren absolut keinen Grund haben etwas anderes werden zu wollen und deshalb klingt es lächerlich wenn ein X anfängt sich Y zu nennen.

Es ist alles eine Frage des Ausmaßes der Einwanderung, der Kultur und genetisch fremden Bevölkerung eines Landes, es gibt Kapazitätsgrenzen in der Assimilation und Push&Pull Faktoren die eine Assimilation verhindern oder fördern können, ich denke wir können uns darauf einigen, dass die große Anzahl gewissen Bevölkerungsgruppen eine Parallelgesellschaft fördert und überhaupt keine Not vorsieht sich einer vermeintlichen Leitkultur anzupassen. Als Ethno-Nationalist habe ich da erstmal nicht gegen, ich kann keine Parallelgesellschaft kritisieren, wenn ich selbst die Gesellschaft ablehne und mich nicht in dieser Gesellschaft einbringen möchte, da diese Gesellschaft nicht auf meinen UND auf klassisch deutschen Werten beruht. Jede Gesellschaft kann eine bestimmte Anzahl von Fremden assimilieren und auch akzeptieren, es gab die Beutetürken nach der Belagerung von Wien die sich hier assimiliert haben und akzeptiert wurden, auch gab es immer schon Mohren im Abendland, nur waren es immer eine sehr begrenzte Zahl dieser fremden Individuen plus einen Druck sich anzupassen um überhaupt am gesellschaftlichen Leben teilzunehmen.


Dies ist heutzutage ein sehr schwieriger Prozess da Menschen auch Arschlöcher sind. Jeder Versuch eines Individuums wird sowohl von den Mitgliedern der Herkunftsethnizität als auch der Zielethnizität entmutigt und das Individuum wird verspottet und erniedrigt.

Lustige Frage aber sehen siehst du Attila Hildmann als Deutscher? Wenn er nicht wüsste dass seine leiblichen Eltern Türken sind würde er nur die Wege seiner deutschen Eltern kennen. Was ist also das Deutschtum? Rasse oder Kultur?

Hildmann ist kein Deutscher und das Deutschtum und die Kultur ist eine Reflektion der Geschichte, der Genetik, der Umwelteinflüsse. Es ist ja kein Zufall, dass es in multi-ethnischen Nationen immer Subkulturen gibt die diese Subkultur der Mainstream Kultur des Landes überordnen, bestes Beispiel ist jede einzelne Ethnie in den USA. Liberale Werte wie Demokratie, Meinungsfreiheit und Gleichberechtigung sind nur für einen bestimmen Schlag Menschen wirklich Identitätsstiftend.
In der BRD gilt es nur Konsument zu sein, mehr braucht es nicht. Für mich ist jeder der in der BRD rumläuft ein Systemdeutscher.

[Daco Celtic]

When did this thread become German language?

[WeirdLookingFellow]

When did this thread become German language?

Keine Ahnung, aber das ist einer der besseren Threads in diesem Forum.

[Teutone]

When did this thread become German language?

Thats the only way worth to put effort in TA postings.

English only deserves one liners

[Daco Celtic]

Thats the only way worth to put effort in TA postings.

English only deserves one liners

Ich war nicht bereit, Deutsch in diesem Thread zu sehen, und ehrlich gesagt machte es mir Angst.

[Teutone]

Ich war nicht bereit, Deutsch in diesem Thread zu sehen, und ehrlich gesagt machte es mir Angst.

Heil dir Kamerad.

[Laly]

Of course, I support Armenia, which I consider to be part of Europe, and which is the origin of the wonderful Romanesque art which flourished in Medieval Europe. What is being played out is not just a local territorial dispute, it’s a war of civilisation, with apologies to those, numerous, who deny the reality described by Huntington. And not content with having massacred greatly the Armenians and other Christians in the last century, the Turks are waking up with the will to eradicate definitely these “curs of Armenians”.

Let’s not forget what Erdogan meant when he said on the occasion of his victory against Armenia that "the struggle carried out in the political and military areas will continue from now on many other fronts”.

Shame on us for letting the Turks humiliating and insulting us continuously, shame on us for paying billions in jizya to them so that they would “filter a little bit” the masses trying to penetrate in Europe.

[Javid]

Why neutral people should support Azerbaijan? Here are the reasons:

1. Today's Armenia and Nagorno Karabakh were populated by mostly Azerbaijani Turks until the Russian occupation of the Caucasus in the 19th century. They bring Armenians from the Ottoman Empire and Iran and changed the ethnic composition in the region. Despite that ethnic cleansing of Azerbaijanis Nagorno Karabakh still had 30% Azerbaijanis when it got occupied in 1992.

2. This conflict created by Russia to control the region like other conflicts in the former Soviet countries (Ukraine, Moldova, Georgia). Russia supported Armenia in both 1st and 2nd war.

3. Azerbaijan isn't a monoethnic country like Armenia. We have lots of minorities (Talishs, Lezgins, Tats, Kurds, Jews, Avars, Tsakhurs and even Armenians) and we live peacefully unless they decide to get Russian support and kill our people as Armenia did in the early 90s.

4. Armenia has occupied not only Nagorno Karabakh but also 7 adjacent regions surrounding it which had a 98% Azerbaijani population. The population of Nagorno Karabakh was 100.000 in 1989 (only 70.000 Armenia). Those adjacent regions population was at least 500.000 in 1989 (nearly all of them Azerbaijani with a small Kurdish minority). Thanks to God those areas has been liberated now.

[Laly]

Why neutral people should support Azerbaijan? Here are the reasons:

1. Today's Armenia and Nagorno Karabakh were populated by mostly Azerbaijani Turks until the Russian occupation of the Caucasus in the 19th century. They bring Armenians from the Ottoman Empire and Iran and changed the ethnic composition in the region. Despite that ethnic cleansing of Azerbaijanis Nagorno Karabakh still had 30% Azerbaijanis when it got occupied in 1992.

2. This conflict created by Russia to control the region like other conflicts in the former Soviet countries (Ukraine, Moldova, Georgia). Russia supported Armenia in both 1st and 2nd war.

3. Azerbaijan isn't a monoethnic country like Armenia. We have lots of minorities (Talishs, Lezgins, Tats, Kurds, Jews, Avars, Tsakhurs and even Armenians) and we live peacefully unless they decide to get Russian support and kill our people as Armenia did in the early 90s.

4. Armenia has occupied not only Nagorno Karabakh but also 7 adjacent regions surrounding it which had a 98% Azerbaijani population. The population of Nagorno Karabakh was 100.000 in 1989 (only 70.000 Armenia). Those adjacent regions population was at least 500.000 in 1989 (nearly all of them Azerbaijani with a small Kurdish minority). Thanks to God those areas has been liberated now.

That's the Azeri and more globally the Muslim depiction of the events. And we all know that Muslims are so at ease with historical criticism, with the quest of the historical truth... (cf. slavery, the origins of Islam, etc.).

Here you get a different story: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_the_Republic_of_Artsakh#cite_note-4

[Javid]

That's the Azeri and more globally the Muslim depiction of the events. And we all know that Muslims are so at ease with historical criticism, with the quest of the historical truth... (cf. slavery, the origins of Islam, etc.).

Here you get a different story: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_the_Republic_of_Artsakh#cite_note-4

Thanks for being racist but I'm not a muslim at all, I'm an atheist. Obviously you know nothing about Azerbaijan and the region in general.

Wikipedia as a source? Nice..

[Parça do Neymar]

Thanks to the circus called Brazilian politics, I don't pay much attention to political affairs anymore, including foreign ones. I don't know the exact circumstances of the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict and I prefer not to talk about things I know nothing about.

But to give an honest war-unrelated opinion about the two countries, I sympathize with Armenia more and my gut feeling leans towards their side.

[IrisSelene]

I don't know who to believe anymore. I just know Armenia used to be BIG and Turkey seemed to decide they wanted all of that for themselves. And now Armenia is a rather tiny land and as if that's not enough, Azerbaijan wants to take more land from them.

Also, sad that there are more Armenians living outside Armenia than inside. It's fucking sad. I feel for them.

I don't know how I should react though because I can see both sides getting mad and maybe each one has a different views of those events, as they are all most likely manipulated in some way. They always are.

And I feel like if something similar ever happened in Romania with Moldova and Transylvania... I wouldn't want people to rush in and support someone blindly either.

But I just wish they can figure things out someday somehow. Because it's sad. People just want to have live on their own land....

So much hate around the world because of territories... Such a sad reality.

Sometimes I think they should just let that place become independent so the two people can live there without any of the countries pulling at them.

But I know that would be impossible because of r e l i g i o n. Like always.

Azerbaijani people would definitely want it to be muslim, and Armenians Orthodox. And just like that I doubt it will ever be resolved, at least not peacefully and with both approving it.



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[Laly]

Thanks for being racist but I'm not a muslim at all, I'm an atheist. Obviously you know nothing about Azerbaijan and the region in general.

Wikipedia as a source? Nice..

I didn’t imply you’re necessarily Muslim, you speak as an Azeri. And whether you like it or not, you’re conditioned and influenced by your civilisation, and it's not my fault if it unfortunately lacks critical thinking.

You evacuate the issue too easily saying I refer too Wikipedia. There are tangible sources on the page.

In this article, for ex., you can see support to the fact Nagorno-Karabagh is historically Armenian:

https://i.imgur.com/2LJr57I.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/Cv6Cl8y.jpg

“Azerbaijan’s Prospects In Nagorno–Karabakh”, ALEC RASIZADE, World Affairs: The Journal of International Issues, Vol. 15, No. 2 (SUMMER 2011 (APRIL-JUNE)), pp. 140-164

https://www.jstor.org/stable/48505076?read-now=1&refreqid=excelsior%3A1da83cd0b995703ada8d8f26b013f cec&seq=1

Now, what seems to be a particularly important document (maybe particularly for Azeris, as it seems) is the Russian census of the population of the Karabagh Khanate in 1823. And there is a tendency among Azeris to identify the whole Khanate with Nagorno-Karabakh, in order to get an overwhelming majority of Turkic people, which is dishonest.

George Bournoutian and other scholars have pointed out that issue.

https://i.imgur.com/cKXMpnB.png

The Making of Nagorno-Karabagh: From Secession to Republic, Levon Chorbajian.

https://books.google.be/books?id=-Cl9DAAAQBAJ&pg=PA36&dq=1823+census+karabakh&hl=fr&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwi0yPDfv_ruAhXSlqQKHTgaDcQQuwUwAXoECAUQC Q#v=onepage&q=1823%20census%20karabakh&f=false

Just to say, I don’t think I’m going to buy a copy of the primary source just for you.
https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/61VPtPz0+SL._SX317_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg

By the way, I am very concerned with the ethics of Azeris, when I see the videos where people from your army mutilate Armenians and other horrors…

https://i.imgur.com/UxjHYkL.png

https://i.imgur.com/RF9dSe8.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/ItAfgA3.png

https://i.imgur.com/3MHTNHc.png

I am also very concerned with the ancient Armenian cultural heritage in Nagorno-Karabagh. I presage the same horrible destructions as in Cyprus, since it was illegally invaded the Turks…

[reboun]

Azerbaijan.

[Altaylı]

Of Course Honorable Azerbaijan
Armenians are the most dishonorable and loser nation i have ever know
KARABAKH IS WESTERN TURCOMANIA

[Altaylı]

I didn’t imply you’re necessarily Muslim, you speak as an Azeri. And whether you like it or not, you’re conditioned and influenced by your civilisation, and it's not my fault if it unfortunately lacks critical thinking.

You evacuate the issue too easily saying I refer too Wikipedia. There are tangible sources on the page.

In this article, for ex., you can see support to the fact Nagorno-Karabagh is historically Armenian:

https://i..com/2LJr57I.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/.jpg

“Azerbaijan’s Prospects In Nagorno–Karabakh”, ALEC RASIZADE, World Affairs: The Journal of International Issues, Vol. 15, No. 2 (SUMMER 2011 (APRIL-JUNE)), pp. 140-164

https://www.jstor.org/stable/48505076?read-now=1&refreqid=excelsior%3A1da83cd0b995703ada8d8f26b013f cec&seq=1

Now, what seems to be a particularly important document (maybe particularly for Azeris, as it seems) is the Russian census of the population of the Karabagh Khanate in 1823. And there is a tendency among Azeris to identify the whole Khanate with Nagorno-Karabakh, in order to get an overwhelming majority of Turkic people, which is dishonest.

George Bournoutian and other scholars have pointed out that issue.

hti.imgur.com/cKXMpnB.png

The Making of Nagorno-Karabagh: From Secession to Republic, Levon Chorbajian.

https://books.google.be/books?id=-Cl9DAAAQBAJ&pg=PA36&dq=1823+census+karabakh&hl=fr&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwi0yPDfv_ruAhXSlqQKHTgaDcQQuwUwAXoECAUQC Q#v=onepage&q=1823%20census%20karabakh&f=false

Just to say, I don’t think I’m going to buy a copy of the primary source just for you.
https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/61VPtPz0+SL._SX317_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg

By the way, I am very concerned with the ethics of Azeris, when I see the videos where people from your army mutilate Armenians and other horrors…

https:/
[img]https://i.imgur..png

I am also very concerned with the ancient Armenian cultural heritage in Nagorno-Karabagh. I presage the same horrible destructions as in Cyprus, since it was illegally invaded the Turks…

Have you heard KARABAKH KHANATE before?
Armenians are just playing victim everytime and they are losing every war this is why they are the most dishonorable and loser nation
We don't care armenian civilization honestly they can't defend their civilization and My ancestors conquered their Lands for my people so Karabakh is OURS

[Laly]

Have you heard KARABAKH KHANATE before?
Armenians are just playing victim everytime and they are losing every war this is why they are the most dishonorable and loser nation
We don't care armenian civilization honestly they can't defend their civilization and My ancestors conquered their Lands for my people so Karabakh is OURS

Lol. You don’t acquire dignity and honourability through the sword, unless you’re Muslim, but rather through the greatness of the spirit.

The Ottoman empire was a military power, and only that. That’s why it’s highly despicable.

And the Armenians remained dignified in front of the Azeris, helped by Turkey and the greatest military arsenal, as well as by the jihadi international.

[Altaylı]

Lol. You don’t acquire dignity and honourability through the sword, unless you’re Muslim, but rather through the greatness of the spirit.

The Ottoman empire was a military power, and only that. That’s why it’s highly despicable.

And the Armenians remained dignified in front of the Azeris, helped by Turkey and the greatest military arsenal, as well as by the jihadi international.

Lol i said they are loser because of they lost every WAR. They are dishonorable because of they are playing victim everytime
Ottomans are not just military power Ottoman and Seljuk culture, arts poems are 1000 times better than stupid armenian farmer culture

Also Azerbaijan and Turkey are totally same if we help them this is not for jihad or other things just for our common history
Azerbaijanis care noble Turcoman blood

Military =power = being Chad = honor

[Nanushka]

I didn’t imply you’re necessarily Muslim, you speak as an Azeri. And whether you like it or not, you’re conditioned and influenced by your civilisation, and it's not my fault if it unfortunately lacks critical thinking.

You evacuate the issue too easily saying I refer too Wikipedia. There are tangible sources on the page.

In this article, for ex., you can see support to the fact Nagorno-Karabagh is historically Armenian:


Just to say, I don’t think I’m going to buy a copy of the primary source just for you.

By the way, I am very concerned with the ethics of Azeris, when I see the videos where people from your army mutilate Armenians and other horrors…


I am also very concerned with the ancient Armenian cultural heritage in Nagorno-Karabagh. I presage the same horrible destructions as in Cyprus, since it was illegally invaded the Turks…

Seriously? Were you saying the same things while Armenians killing more than 160 unarmed and vulnarable civilians (especially children) in Hojali in 1992? Or did you ever read when and how EOKA scums slaughtered the families with young children in their homes putting them in bath tubes and shot in 1960s? They are all in records you can just find them if you look at the right sources

btw there were no remarkable Hays living in todays Armenia before 1820s, Russians brought them from southern regions to find support as a christian ally with Turkmenchay Treaty in 1828, and its a known fact! Armenians are not natural inhabitants of Transcaucasia, their country is a made-up one between Azerbaijan and Turkey by Russia. And please be informed that the name Armen-Arman-Erman (all etymologically the same) belongs to the same Kipchak tribe so a Turkic name and historical Armenia was an ancient Turkic land in the first place, even Wiki says that way to some extent

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/279763254_Tarihte_Turk_-_Ermeni_Temaslari_Sonucunda_Ortaya_Cikmis_Bir_Halk _Ermeni_Kipcaklari_veya_Gregoryan_Kipcaklar_Ss_253-272_A_People_Emerged_as_a_Result_of_Historical_Tur kic_-_Armenian_Contact_The_Armeno-_

[Laly]

Lol i said they are loser because of they lost every WAR. They are dishonorable because of they are playing victim everytime
Ottomans are not just military power Ottoman and Seljuk culture, arts poems are 1000 times better than stupid armenian farmer culture

Also Azerbaijan and Turkey are totally same if we help them this is not for jihad or other things just for our common history
Azerbaijanis care noble Turcoman blood

Military =power = being Chad = honor

Yeah, as I said, typical Muslim mindset.

The Ottoman Empire was a wonderful military and administrative power, but that’s it. It was a desert in an intellectual, economic, scientific and technological point of view (like the rest of the Islamic world, in great decline since the closing of the doors of ijtihad). In denial, you found refuge in an out-of-date mathematical abstraction, in poetry and all the intellectual effort was reserved for the art of jurisprudence, showing an incredible lack of curiosity for the advances of the Western world. And you will even wait four centuries after the birth of printing, until the ulemas finally allow the opening of a press in Instanbul. By the way, it goes without saying that the Armenians used printing in the Ottoman Empire much earlier and that they played an important role in its development there.

[Altaylı]

Yeah, as I said, typical Muslim mindset.

The Ottoman Empire was a wonderful military and administrative power, but that’s it. It was a desert in an intellectual, economic, scientific and technological point of view (like the rest of the Islamic world, in great decline since the closing of the doors of ijtihad). In denial, you found refuge in an out-of-date mathematical abstraction, in poetry and all the intellectual effort was reserved for the art of jurisprudence, showing an incredible lack of curiosity for the advances of the Western world. And you will even wait four centuries after the birth of printing, until the ulemas finally allow the opening of a press in Instanbul. By the way, it goes without saying that the Armenians used printing in the Ottoman Empire much earlier and that they played an important role in its development there.
Totally wrong
Islamic World was better than europe in science in 1000-1500 there were a lot of muslim scientist like Avni Cenna Ali kuşçu Muhammed bin Mûsâ el-Hârizmî etc.
Even Ottoman Sultan Fatih Sultan Mehmet knows 6-7 different languages (he knew 6 7 different languages when he was just 19)

[Altaylı]

Also we Turks saved asses of armenians from roman empire
When we Turks arrived in Anatolia, Eastern Roman Empire acts to Armenians very badly.

[Laly]

Totally wrong
Islamic World was better than europe in science in 1000-1500 there were a lot of muslim scientist like Avni Cenna Ali kuşçu Muhammed bin Mûsâ el-Hârizmî etc.

Avveroes (whose philosophical texts were burned in the Islamic world, where they didn’t have any impact, while they ironically became important in the West), sounds the death knell of sciences and thought in the Islamic world. From the XIIth century, Europe overtakes the Muslim world in terms of intellect and sciences, while the Muslim world grind to a halt.


Even Ottoman Sultan Fatih Sultan Mehmet knows 6-7 different languages (he knew 6 7 different languages when he was just 19)

In the beginning of the XVIth c., Guillaume Postel taught Arabic and Hebrew in the Collège des Lecteurs Royaux founded by the king Francis I in France. There’s no parallel concerning European languages in Cairo, Damascus or Istanbul. Two centuries and a half later, when Napoleon goes to Egypt, Europeans have tens of grammars and dictionaries concerning Arabic, Persian or Turkish. There’s no parallel concerning for ex. French in front.

[Wehrmacht]

I don't know who to believe anymore. I just know Armenia used to be BIG and Turkey seemed to decide they wanted all of that for themselves. And now Armenia is a rather tiny land and as if that's not enough, Azerbaijan wants to take more land from them.

Also, sad that there are more Armenians living outside Armenia than inside. It's fucking sad. I feel for them.

I don't know how I should react though because I can see both sides getting mad and maybe each one has a different views of those events, as they are all most likely manipulated in some way. They always are.

And I feel like if something similar ever happened in Romania with Moldova and Transylvania... I wouldn't want people to rush in and support someone blindly either.

But I just wish they can figure things out someday somehow. Because it's sad. People just want to have live on their own land....

So much hate around the world because of territories... Such a sad reality.

Sometimes I think they should just let that place become independent so the two people can live there without any of the countries pulling at them.

But I know that would be impossible because of r e l i g i o n. Like always.

Azerbaijani people would definitely want it to be muslim, and Armenians Orthodox. And just like that I doubt it will ever be resolved, at least not peacefully and with both approving it.



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Azerbaijan just took its own land back their ancestors lived, you stupid twat

[IrisSelene]

Lol i said they are loser because of they lost every WAR. They are dishonorable because of they are playing victim everytime
Ottomans are not just military power Ottoman and Seljuk culture, arts poems are 1000 times better than stupid armenian farmer culture

Also Azerbaijan and Turkey are totally same if we help them this is not for jihad or other things just for our common history
Azerbaijanis care noble Turcoman blood

Military =power = being Chad = honorEw your posts are just making me lean more towards Armenia, thank you.

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[Armenian Bishop]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-hWDx1rQRk

Azerbaijan, a Despotic Country:
Baku, Azerbaijan authorized this Police Brutality (19/10/2019).
Karabakh Armenians don't want that kind of country.

[Laly]

Seriously? Were you saying the same things while Armenians killing more than 160 unarmed and vulnarable civilians (especially children) in Hojali in 1992? Or did you ever read when and how EOKA scums slaughtered the families with young children in their homes putting them in bath tubes and shot in 1960s? They are all in records you can just find them if you look at the right sources

The light must be shed concerning the events you mention. Anyway, that’s not the pattern for Armenians to commit atrocities and there were the pogroms of Sumgait (1988) and Baku (1990) in Azerbaijan against the Armenians.


btw there were no remarkable Hays living in todays Armenia before 1820s, Russians brought them from southern regions to find support as a christian ally with Turkmenchay Treaty in 1828, and its a known fact! Armenians are not natural inhabitants of Transcaucasia, their country is a made-up one between Azerbaijan and Turkey by Russia.

Big lol, Armenia is scattered all over with Armenian vestiges, testimonies from the paleo-Christian era, but “there were no remarkable Hays living in todays Armenia before 1820s” (sic). If more Armenians were brought, it doesn’t mean it wasn’t Armenian before, lol. By the way, I had already referred to the census of 1823.


And please be informed that the name Armen-Arman-Erman (all etymologically the same) belongs to the same Kipchak tribe so a Turkic name and historical Armenia was an ancient Turkic land in the first place, even Wiki says that way to some extent
https://www.researchgate.net/publica...t_The_Armeno-_


Lol, the word “Armen/Arman/Erman” being an exonym doesn’t prove anything. And no, it’s not a Turkic name. There are several hypothesis regarding the etymology, and it could be linked to Biblical names.

And seriously, what is this article on Armeno-Kipchak, a language born as a consequence of the Turkic invasion in the XIth century, supposed to prove, lol?

You guys love to rewrite history, in the manner of Erdogan who claimed that Muslims discovered America, lol. Maybe when chickens will have teeth, Turks and Muslims in general will do some real historical work, motivated by the aim to find the truth and not out of ideology.

[Alexandro]

Neither, because its not like it matters.

https://i.redd.it/g121llj7nzp51.jpg

[Nanushka]

The light must be shed concerning the events you mention. Anyway, that’s not the pattern for Armenians to commit atrocities and there were the pogroms of Sumgait (1988) and Baku (1990) in Azerbaijan against the Armenians.

I have only found info about these pogroms (!) in wiki, wonder why lol


Big lol, Armenia is scattered all over with Armenian vestiges, testimonies from the paleo-Christian era, but “there were no remarkable Hays living in todays Armenia before 1820s” (sic). If more Armenians were brought, it doesn’t mean it wasn’t Armenian before, lol. By the way, I had already referred to the census of 1823.

''Famous Turkolog Sir Gerard Clauson asserts that Kipchaks accepted and converted to Armenian Gregorian religion in an unknown date in early 12. century and wrote their language in Hay alphabet according to their religion. The fact that basic vocabulary was in Kipchak language and the scarcity of Slavic and Hay language compared to Kipchak language was among his evidence.'' Prof.Hülya Kasapoğlu Çengel. The sources are at the end of the article
https://qha.com.tr/haberler/kirim-sahasinda-gregoryen-kipcaklar-ve-turkolog-agatangel-efimovic-krimskiy/182073/?fbclid=IwAR2hqqYa9GZ_wQdrdL667VwknMelYYV3JWWDlzp4 QTf6A7JdXF4nGKWNn3o


Lol, the word “Armen/Arman/Erman” being an exonym doesn’t prove anything. And no, it’s not a Turkic name. There are several hypothesis regarding the etymology, and it could be linked to Biblical names.

And seriously, what is this article on Armeno-Kipchak, a language born as a consequence of the Turkic invasion in the XIth century, supposed to prove, lol?

You guys love to rewrite history, in the manner of Erdogan who claimed that Muslims discovered America, lol. Maybe when chickens will have teeth, Turks and Muslims in general will do some real historical work, motivated by the aim to find the truth and not out of ideology.

Oh who can be the best to write the history according to wishful thinking other than IE-lovers? You have no evidence other than holy wiki but still insist: )) I wasn't expecting you to understand the academic article so at least you can read this phrase in the article by Kylosov (which in the latest additions part of the link on the left hand side) and understand that R1b and R1a belongs to Turkics. Then you may accept that the R1 found among Armenians today comes from blonde Kuman-Kipchaks:
''The Huns were a conglomerate of various nomadic tribes, likely predominantly of R1a Hg''

http://www.turkicworld.org/

There are many good academic articles by many researchers about Turkics and their heritage in this link so you can read and learn if you want to broaden you horizons.

About the etnonym Armen-Ermen-Erman, by Prof.Jalilov:

https://bilgiveguc.blogspot.com/2016/04/how-hays-became-armenians.html

Erman or Arman is a common boy name among Turkics, all Turks in TA will approve it

I submit evidence but you only talk lol so your allegations are simply void

[PaleoEuropean]

Armenia of course, they have a deep bond with America. Azerbaijani's have no representation like the Armenians do, they are fairly irrelevant.

[Laly]

I have only found info about these pogroms (!) in wiki, wonder why lol

You are of such bad faith, lol.

And no, it’s not from Wikipedia that I heard about “anti-Armenian bloody pogroms in Sumgait or Baku”. And it’s not only there that you’ll find about it. I know about it from articles I’ve read and a conference. And here’s some stuff in English about it:

https://i.imgur.com/TGsTp2Z.png

Documentary Studies Section, International Information Administration, 1990

https://books.google.be/books?id=THrmAAAAMAAJ&pg=RA4-PA18&dq=massacre+sumgait&hl=fr&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjyhOe84Z3vAhWwwAIHHSXZBfsQ6AEwAXoECAUQA g#v=onepage&q=massacre%20sumgait&f=false
https://i.imgur.com/Zow3PYm.png

A history of Russia, Walter Moss, 1997
https://books.google.be/books?id=dajtAAAAMAAJ&q=sumgait+pogrom&dq=sumgait+pogrom&hl=fr&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiR79-A6JzvAhWK2aQKHfvUBZU4ChDoATABegQIAhAC

https://i.imgur.com/IOAphCh.png

United States. Congress, U.S. Government Printing Office, 2012

https://books.google.be/books?id=vrddTXEzCgsC&pg=PA2575&dq=sumgait+pogrom&hl=fr&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjTxaXx5pzvAhWM2qQKHXPCDLIQ6AEwAXoECAMQA g#v=onepage&q=sumgait%20pogrom&f=false

https://i.imgur.com/1D5inXF.png

Same book:

https://i.imgur.com/XpDBiLb.png

https://books.google.be/books?id=02VGAAAAYAAJ&q=baku+pogrom&dq=baku+pogrom&hl=fr&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiY_aSs6JzvAhWJHOwKHZptAM4Q6AEwAXoECAkQA g
https://i.imgur.com/tSPpiwW.png

Armenian International Magazine

https://books.google.be/books?id=UDS8AAAAIAAJ&q=baku+pogrom&dq=baku+pogrom&hl=fr&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiKz8n66JzvAhXL0aQKHaTBDHo4ChDoATAAegQIA xAC

But really, is it surprising if Turkic people aren’t loquacious on the topic, lol?


''Famous Turkolog Sir Gerard Clauson asserts that Kipchaks accepted and converted to Armenian Gregorian religion in an unknown date in early 12. century and wrote their language in Hay alphabet according to their religion. The fact that basic vocabulary was in Kipchak language and the scarcity of Slavic and Hay language compared to Kipchak language was among his evidence.'' Prof.Hülya Kasapoğlu Çengel. The sources are at the end of the article
https://qha.com.tr/haberler/kirim-sa...7JdXF4nGKWNn3o

Once again, at the very least, the Armeno-Kipchaks being originally Turkic people or not doesn’t constitute in any way an argument against the legitimacy of Armenians in Armenia, lol.
Your will to extrapolate from the Armeno-Kipchak phenomenon, extremely late and concerning a tiny diaspora minority, in order to give a certain people historical legitimacy over a land, is beyond understanding. Only ideologues would do such thing. Peoples may be subjected to many kinds of acculturations. The Gauls were acculturated by Romans and later by the Franks and abandoned almost everything from their Celtic language. They brought a lot of Frankish vocabulary, for ex. It doesn’t mean the Franks were there before or that the Celtic stock of the population didn’t persist through time.

https://i.imgur.com/JAbwda1.png

https://i.imgur.com/oo8SCqH.png

The Turkic Languages, Lars Johanson, Éva Ágnes Csató Johanson, 2015

https://books.google.be/books?id=Z7i5CAAAQBAJ&pg=PA165&lpg=PA165&dq=arm%C3%A9no+kipchak+basic+lexikon&source=bl&ots=Dut6VuW7DT&sig=ACfU3U1EDIDOmUgvWsjhmGvDy4ALSn7ekA&hl=fr&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiqh5XF6pzvAhVByaQKHSP-DSIQ6AEwEXoECAQQAw#v=onepage&q=arm%C3%A9no%20kipchak%20basic%20lexikon&f=false

https://i.imgur.com/ClWLV7t.png
https://i.imgur.com/EOjgczG.png
https://i.imgur.com/RNJGorf.png

Armeno-Turcica: Selected Studies, Indiana University Uralic and Altaic Series, Edmond Schütz, Review by: Edward Tryjarski, 2000.

https://www.jstor.org/stable/41933165?read-now=1&seq=3#page_scan_tab_contents


You have no evidence other than holy wiki but still insist: ))

Says the person who referred to Wiki in the previous post…


I wasn't expecting you to understand the academic article so at least you can read this phrase in the article by Kylosov (which in the latest additions part of the link on the left hand side) and understand that R1b and R1a belongs to Turkics. Then you may accept that the R1 found among Armenians today comes from blonde Kuman-Kipchaks:
''The Huns were a conglomerate of various nomadic tribes, likely predominantly of R1a Hg''
http://www.turkicworld.org/

I don’t see that sentence, even paraphrased, in the article, lol.

I just see invention, extrapolation. I don’t see in the article you provide that “R1b and R1a belong to Turkics”. I see that R1b would belong to “non-Aryans” and R1a to “Aryans”:

https://i.imgur.com/a61H346.png

Again, the article, focused on R1b, doesn’t link the non-Aryans necessarily with Turkic people:

https://i.imgur.com/hPkLE8N.png

https://i.imgur.com/IsHL4nz.png

https://i.imgur.com/qtsMWeA.png

https://i.imgur.com/Gw3vHcP.png

https://i.imgur.com/B9BCnrP.png

Indeed, the current Armenian ethnicity is considered to be greatly the result from the combination of Urartian and Thraco-Phrygian peoples.
By the way, Amenian language has words from the old Caucasian Hurro-Urartian language.

https://i.imgur.com/v3HzwCg.png

“Some Effects of the Hurro-Urartian People and Their Languages upon the Earliest Armenians”, John A. C. Greppin and I. M. Diakonoff, Journal of the American Oriental Society, 1990

https://www.jstor.org/stable/603403?read-now=1&seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents


There are many good academic articles by many researchers about Turkics and their heritage in this link so you can read and learn if you want to broaden you horizons.
About the etnonym Armen-Ermen-Erman, by Prof.Jalilov:
https://bilgiveguc.blogspot.com/2016...armenians.html
Erman or Arman is a common boy name among Turkics, all Turks in TA will approve it

It’s still not because “Arman” is a name given among Turkic people that it is of Turkic origin, lol.

“Armenia” or “Armen” may come from the Elamite. (“Minni” is found in the Bible, referring to a mountainous region.)

https://i.imgur.com/UyQOzuf.png
Armeniaca: Comparative Notes, Frederik Herman Henri Kortlandt, Robert Stephen Paul Beekes, 2003

https://books.google.be/books?hl=fr&id=THkbAQAAIAAJ&dq=armenia+elamite&focus=searchwithinvolume&q=armina

The theory of the Erimene origin of the word of Armenia/Armen:

https://i.imgur.com/MTdXaMf.png

The Kingdom of Armenia, Mack Chahin, 2001.

https://books.google.be/books?id=OR_PHoKZ6ycC&pg=PA104&lpg=PA104&dq=barnett+erimena&source=bl&ots=e-UtmqGPrR&sig=ACfU3U3QkrDZGwJZNZHnW_6x8OzEaGdKwg&hl=fr&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiAu_vs5ZzvAhVKwAIHHWPTBxgQ6AEwBHoECAQQA w

And yes, the blog referring to “Prof. Javilov”, such a serious and impartial source of information, is swollen with ideology. He claims many things without evidence, concerning a [hypothetic] tribe, Ermen, part of the Mitanni ethnicity and claims, of course, that all those were Turkic, lol. How come we didn’t know that "fact"??

https://i.imgur.com/3TbIYPD.png
https://i.imgur.com/XardVpf.png
https://i.imgur.com/cunQB9P.png
https://i.imgur.com/HESLmwT.png

Over the Mountains and Far Away: Studies in Near Eastern history and archaeology presented to Mirjo Salvini on the occasion of his 80th birthday, Pavel S. Avetisyan, Roberto Dan, Yervand H. Grekyan, Archaeopress Publishing Ltd, 30 avr. 2019 - 594 pages

https://books.google.be/books?id=dxUSEAAAQBAJ&pg=PA388&lpg=PA388&dq=armen+tribe+hypothesis&source=bl&ots=vsQXkR3OdJ&sig=ACfU3U1H8azAP2IAmwKs8gxCk8TcfteHJg&hl=fr&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjp9Ovmt57vAhVOm6QKHdd1AFk4ChDoATAHegQID hAD#v=onepage&q=armen%20tribe%20hypothesis&f=false

[Armenian Bishop]

You are of such bad faith, lol.

And no, it’s not from Wikipedia that I heard about “anti-Armenian bloody pogroms in Sumgait or Baku”. And it’s not only there that you’ll find about it. I know about it from articles I’ve read and a conference. And here’s some stuff in English about it:

https://i.imgur.com/TGsTp2Z.png

Documentary Studies Section, International Information Administration, 1990

https://books.google.be/books?id=THrmAAAAMAAJ&pg=RA4-PA18&dq=massacre+sumgait&hl=fr&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjyhOe84Z3vAhWwwAIHHSXZBfsQ6AEwAXoECAUQA g#v=onepage&q=massacre%20sumgait&f=false
https://i.imgur.com/Zow3PYm.png

A history of Russia, Walter Moss, 1997
https://books.google.be/books?id=dajtAAAAMAAJ&q=sumgait+pogrom&dq=sumgait+pogrom&hl=fr&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiR79-A6JzvAhWK2aQKHfvUBZU4ChDoATABegQIAhAC

https://i.imgur.com/IOAphCh.png

United States. Congress, U.S. Government Printing Office, 2012

https://books.google.be/books?id=vrddTXEzCgsC&pg=PA2575&dq=sumgait+pogrom&hl=fr&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjTxaXx5pzvAhWM2qQKHXPCDLIQ6AEwAXoECAMQA g#v=onepage&q=sumgait%20pogrom&f=false

https://i.imgur.com/1D5inXF.png

Same book:

https://i.imgur.com/XpDBiLb.png

https://books.google.be/books?id=02VGAAAAYAAJ&q=baku+pogrom&dq=baku+pogrom&hl=fr&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiY_aSs6JzvAhWJHOwKHZptAM4Q6AEwAXoECAkQA g
https://i.imgur.com/tSPpiwW.png

Armenian International Magazine

https://books.google.be/books?id=UDS8AAAAIAAJ&q=baku+pogrom&dq=baku+pogrom&hl=fr&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiKz8n66JzvAhXL0aQKHaTBDHo4ChDoATAAegQIA xAC

But really, is it surprising if Turkic people aren’t loquacious on the topic, lol?



Once again, at the very least, the Armeno-Kipchaks being originally Turkic people or not doesn’t constitute in any way an argument against the legitimacy of Armenians in Armenia, lol.
Your will to extrapolate from the Armeno-Kipchak phenomenon, extremely late and concerning a tiny diaspora minority, in order to give a certain people historical legitimacy over a land, is beyond understanding. Only ideologues would do such thing. Peoples may be subjected to many kinds of acculturations. The Gauls were acculturated by Romans and later by the Franks and abandoned almost everything from their Celtic language. They brought a lot of Frankish vocabulary, for ex. It doesn’t mean the Franks were there before or that the Celtic stock of the population didn’t persist through time.

https://i.imgur.com/JAbwda1.png

https://i.imgur.com/oo8SCqH.png

The Turkic Languages, Lars Johanson, Éva Ágnes Csató Johanson, 2015

https://books.google.be/books?id=Z7i5CAAAQBAJ&pg=PA165&lpg=PA165&dq=arm%C3%A9no+kipchak+basic+lexikon&source=bl&ots=Dut6VuW7DT&sig=ACfU3U1EDIDOmUgvWsjhmGvDy4ALSn7ekA&hl=fr&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiqh5XF6pzvAhVByaQKHSP-DSIQ6AEwEXoECAQQAw#v=onepage&q=arm%C3%A9no%20kipchak%20basic%20lexikon&f=false

https://i.imgur.com/ClWLV7t.png
https://i.imgur.com/EOjgczG.png
https://i.imgur.com/RNJGorf.png

Armeno-Turcica: Selected Studies, Indiana University Uralic and Altaic Series, Edmond Schütz, Review by: Edward Tryjarski, 2000.

https://www.jstor.org/stable/41933165?read-now=1&seq=3#page_scan_tab_contents



Says the person who referred to Wiki in the previous post…



I don’t see that sentence, even paraphrased, in the article, lol.

I just see invention, extrapolation. I don’t see in the article you provide that “R1b and R1a belong to Turkics”. I see that R1b would belong to “non-Aryans” and R1a to “Aryans”:

https://i.imgur.com/a61H346.png

Again, the article, focused on R1b, doesn’t link the non-Aryans necessarily with Turkic people:

https://i.imgur.com/hPkLE8N.png

https://i.imgur.com/IsHL4nz.png

https://i.imgur.com/qtsMWeA.png

https://i.imgur.com/Gw3vHcP.png

https://i.imgur.com/B9BCnrP.png

Indeed, the current Armenian ethnicity is considered to be greatly the result from the combination of Urartian and Thraco-Phrygian peoples.
By the way, Amenian language has words from the old Caucasian Hurro-Urartian language.

https://i.imgur.com/v3HzwCg.png

“Some Effects of the Hurro-Urartian People and Their Languages upon the Earliest Armenians”, John A. C. Greppin and I. M. Diakonoff, Journal of the American Oriental Society, 1990

https://www.jstor.org/stable/603403?read-now=1&seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents



It’s still not because “Arman” is a name given among Turkic people that it is of Turkic origin, lol.

“Armenia” or “Armen” may come from the Elamite. (“Minni” is found in the Bible, referring to a mountainous region.)

https://i.imgur.com/UyQOzuf.png
Armeniaca: Comparative Notes, Frederik Herman Henri Kortlandt, Robert Stephen Paul Beekes, 2003

https://books.google.be/books?hl=fr&id=THkbAQAAIAAJ&dq=armenia+elamite&focus=searchwithinvolume&q=armina

The theory of the Erimene origin of the word of Armenia/Armen:

https://i.imgur.com/MTdXaMf.png

The Kingdom of Armenia, Mack Chahin, 2001.

https://books.google.be/books?id=OR_PHoKZ6ycC&pg=PA104&lpg=PA104&dq=barnett+erimena&source=bl&ots=e-UtmqGPrR&sig=ACfU3U3QkrDZGwJZNZHnW_6x8OzEaGdKwg&hl=fr&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiAu_vs5ZzvAhVKwAIHHWPTBxgQ6AEwBHoECAQQA w

And yes, the blog referring to “Prof. Javilov”, such a serious and impartial source of information, is swollen with ideology. He claims many things without evidence, concerning a [hypothetic] tribe, Ermen, part of the Mitanni ethnicity and claims, of course, that all those were Turkic, lol. How come we didn’t know that "fact"??

https://i.imgur.com/3TbIYPD.png
https://i.imgur.com/XardVpf.png
https://i.imgur.com/cunQB9P.png
https://i.imgur.com/HESLmwT.png

Over the Mountains and Far Away: Studies in Near Eastern history and archaeology presented to Mirjo Salvini on the occasion of his 80th birthday, Pavel S. Avetisyan, Roberto Dan, Yervand H. Grekyan, Archaeopress Publishing Ltd, 30 avr. 2019 - 594 pages

https://books.google.be/books?id=dxUSEAAAQBAJ&pg=PA388&lpg=PA388&dq=armen+tribe+hypothesis&source=bl&ots=vsQXkR3OdJ&sig=ACfU3U1H8azAP2IAmwKs8gxCk8TcfteHJg&hl=fr&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjp9Ovmt57vAhVOm6QKHdd1AFk4ChDoATAHegQID hAD#v=onepage&q=armen%20tribe%20hypothesis&f=false

Wow! You're knowledge (about it) is incredibly sophisticated, and I don't use the word "sophisticated" very often. Seriously, I couldn't have said it better myself. You're 100% right, and they're simply wrong; I can say that, after many decades of observation & research.

[FinalFlash]

Also we Turks saved asses of armenians from roman empire
When we Turks arrived in Anatolia, Eastern Roman Empire acts to Armenians very badly.

Who is "we". The descendants of modern-day Turks are those very same Eastern Romans you are referring to. So nothing has changed lol.

[Nanushka]

Crazy efforts using texts that dont say anything

Lol you dont have to kill yourself to prove anything to me as even a little word here is enough to destroy all these chaotic and irrelevant info you try to give:

https://www.nisanyansozluk.com/?k=er&view=annotated

Sevan Nisanyan is an Armenian/hay living in Turkey who calls himself etymologist but everybody knows he has grudge against Turks, but even this guy publishes in his online dictionary that:

the root -er comes from Turkic origin, meaning 'male, man, valliant' and Erman-Ermen-Arman means 'male/valiant person(s)'

so it is not of unknown origin as it is claimed in above sources you gave, and those sources are invalid as they dont put forth or prove anything

Oh, btw, Urartu, Hatti, Elam etc are coming from Sumerian origin and as eveybody knows there is incredible amount of Turkic-Sumerian common words and Sumerian is agglutinative language, so this is the biggest issue that has to be solved by IE-claimers

[Altaylı]

Who is "we". The descendants of modern-day Turks are those very same Eastern Romans you are referring to. So nothing has changed lol.

Distance to: Ankara,Şereflikoçhisar
2.85324428 58.80% Turkmens + 41.20% Cypriots
https://turkishdnaproject.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/Turkish_Gokturk.jpg
https://turkishdnaproject.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/Turkish_Kipchak.jpg
https://turkishdnaproject.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/Turkish_Kimak.jpg
https://turkishdnaproject.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/Turkish_Karluk.jpg
https://turkishdnaproject.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/KAZ_Turk.png
https://turkishdnaproject.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/KAZ_Kipchak.png
https://turkishdnaproject.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/KAZ_Kimak-1.png
https://turkishdnaproject.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/KAZ_Karluk_1.png
learn some genetics.

Turkish people are between 20-40% early Medieval Turk(except DA89 Gokturk and Kypchak 20-30%)
these percents are high

yes we saved this is true story.

[Westbrook]

Can someone print this on a t-shirt for me


Military =power = being Chad = honor

[Westbrook]

I'm not sure what this means. There's a lot of Armenians in the US, and nobody in America probably has any idea what or where Azerbaijan is, but AZ does have the bulk of our official foreign policy support for one reason or another.

Kind of remarkable how many cases where US policy has sided with Muslims over Christians in recent history despite the general perception of being at war with Islam or something.
Armenia of course, they have a deep bond with America. Azerbaijani's have no representation like the Armenians do, they are fairly irrelevant.

[Laly]

Lol you dont have to kill yourself to prove anything to me as even a little word here is enough to destroy all these chaotic and irrelevant info you try to give:

https://www.nisanyansozluk.com/?k=er&view=annotated

Sevan Nisanyan is an Armenian/hay living in Turkey who calls himself etymologist but everybody knows he has grudge against Turks, but even this guy publishes in his online dictionary that:

the root -er comes from Turkic origin, meaning 'male, man, valliant' and Erman-Ermen-Arman means 'male/valiant person(s)'

so it is not of unknown origin as it is claimed in above sources you gave, and those sources are invalid as they dont put forth or prove anything

Oh, btw, Urartu, Hatti, Elam etc are coming from Sumerian origin and as eveybody knows there is incredible amount of Turkic-Sumerian common words and Sumerian is agglutinative language, so this is the biggest issue that has to be solved by IE-claimers

I mean, you really don’t realise how ridiculous you are? You’re saying nonsense since the beginning: there were “no remarkable Hays living in Armenia before the XIXth century", while the country’s soil is marked out everywhere with Armenian archaeological remains from the paleo-Christian period; pretending some pogrom accusations are only from Wikipedia; taking Armeno-Kipchak language as a prove for … (we’ll never know), while it’s an extremely late language linked to a diaspora minority (Poland, Ukraine); quoting falsely a genetic study, which didn’t say at all what you wanted it to say; quoting “a great Turkic historian” swollen with ideology – I really liked when he talked about the Seljukid “intrusion” in the region, by the way. Big lol for everything you actually wrote.

And now, what are you doing? You are referring to a Turkish language etymological dictionary, which says “er” in Turkish is from Old Turkic. It doesn’t mean words with the same sounding in other languages necessarily come from Old Turkic lol. Furthermore, Old Turkic is a language that is much more recent (attested from the middle of the Middle Ages) than the first mentions of the word “Armenia”, which are from centuries before our era.

But please, continue with your nonsense and just say that “Iran” or “Herr” in German have a Turkic origin, lol.

[PaleoEuropean]

I'm not sure what this means. There's a lot of Armenians in the US, and nobody in America probably has any idea what or where Azerbaijan is, but AZ does have the bulk of our official foreign policy support for one reason or another.

Kind of remarkable how many cases where US policy has sided with Muslims over Christians in recent history despite the general perception of being at war with Islam or something.

Never once seen an Azeri in the U.S lol. Probably just an illuminati thing to go against Christians.

[FinalFlash]

Never once seen an Azeri in the U.S lol. Probably just an illuminati thing to go against Christians.

Lots of anti-American and anti-Christian elements in the US government and media. None of it surprises me at this point.

[Laly]

New theme park in Baku with Armenian war trophies. The park exhibits wax mannequins exhibiting in a caricatural and humiliating manner the Armenians. This staging aroused consternation among foreign observers.

In an interview, the authors of the sculptures admit their aim was to create mannequins that would be as ugly as possible, with hooked noses, flat skulls and ridiculous postures.

https://fr.euronews.com/2021/04/15/l-armenie-furieuse-d-une-exposition-funeste-de-trophees-de-guerre-en-azerbaidjan

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EzDOL3pWQAQVmeH?format=jpg&name=small
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EzDOL3hWYAY_TWy?format=jpg&name=small
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EzDOL3pWgAE2-tF?format=jpg&name=small
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EzDOL4NWYAE2rRy?format=jpg&name=medium
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EzAqWyGWEAIK8jo?format=jpg&name=medium
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EzAqWyCWYAIGmYn?format=jpg&name=medium

Everything to feed their hatred…

[Armenian Bishop]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zyWEIKYwOE&t=59s

This 2016 PanTurkic Hate Speech (in Sweden), amid the Flags of Turkey and Azerbaijan, boasted that the time has come for another Armenian Genocide. Now, in 2021, Azerbaijan has extended its ethnic cleansing project into the former Armenian stronghold. Very Evil!!!!!

[Westbrook]

I mean... They don't NOT look like that, but... It's still weird that they would actually spend time/money/effort doing this lmao
New theme park in Baku with Armenian war trophies. The park exhibits wax mannequins exhibiting in a caricatural and humiliating manner the Armenians. This staging aroused consternation among foreign observers.

In an interview, the authors of the sculptures admit their aim was to create mannequins that would be as ugly as possible, with hooked noses, flat skulls and ridiculous postures.

https://fr.euronews.com/2021/04/15/l-armenie-furieuse-d-une-exposition-funeste-de-trophees-de-guerre-en-azerbaidjan

Everything to feed their hatred…

[RogueState]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1gF0bgdoUU

[Armenian Bishop]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DD2COkl6ce4&t=32s



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1gF0bgdoUU

[Ayetooey]

I feel more sympathy for Armenia but would support political neutrality either way. We get involved in too many foreign conflicts.

[Altaylı]

.com/watch?v=DD2COkl6ce4&t=32s.......

Probably your hate from Turks is sickness level
You are bumping old threads about Turks with shit stuffs like a sick everytime
Even you are posting musics about Turks to Armenian music thread lol

I didn't see a Turkish member acts like you before because we Turks don't care armenians in real life

[Armenian Bishop]

Probably your hate from Turks is sickness level
You are bumping old threads about Turks with shit stuffs like a sick everytime
Even you are posting musics about Turks to Armenian music thread lol
I didn't see a Turkish member acts like you before because we Turks don't care armenians in real life

No, not really ... Nope! I've explained it, in various places, even in the chat area, and you don't know what you're talking about. I don't like to repeat myself. I take Turkic People on a case-by-case basis, and there're plenty of times that I can respect them very much. I've had friendly (or positive) interactions with Turks, in my local area, and not just a few. But, too many times, Turks cower from manning up to their own history; Americans are very good at manning up to their own history. In regards to Turks not caring about it, that's a load of hot air. Judging from the amount of money and diplomatic pressure exerted by both Turkey and Azerbaijan, I'm sure that both Turkey and Azerbaijan care a great deal about what Armenians think.

[FinalFlash]

I mean... They don't NOT look like that, but... It's still weird that they would actually spend time/money/effort doing this lmao

When your president resembles these caricatures better than the enemy you are trying to depict. Oh the irony.

Isn't the answer to your question obvious? Lol

[Westbrook]

Americans are very good at manning up to their own history.

Off subject but speaking of this... Would it surprise anyone to hear that many from the current/last few generations of Japanese people aren't even aware of the atomic bombings, let alone mad about it?

Can you imagine how it'd be if Turkey were nuked during WW2?

[Hektor12]

Turks cower from manning up to their own history

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_Secret_Army_for_the_Liberation_of_Armenia

[FinalFlash]

No, not really ... Nope! I've explained it, in various places, even in the chat area, and you don't know what you're talking about. I don't like to repeat myself. I take Turkic People on a case-by-case basis, and there're plenty of times that I can respect them very much. I've had friendly (or positive) interactions with Turks, in my local area, and not just a few. But, too many times, Turks cower from manning up to their own history; Americans are very good at manning up to their own history. In regards to Turks not caring about it, that's a load of hot air. Judging from the amount of money and diplomatic pressure exerted by both Turkey and Azerbaijan, I'm sure that both Turkey and Azerbaijan care a great deal about what Armenians think.

Turkey doesn't care about Armenia......except when they'll dedicate plenty of manpower, capital and other resources to make sure azeris "liberate" Artsakh. Or when they threaten to end diplomatic relationships/partnerships with basically any country that even dares to recognize the events of the early 20th century as a genocide.

[Tutankhamun]

Armenia for sure