My last update on archeological Z280

[Rethel]

It's my last Z280 update. Only pre-slavic cases. Based on Quiles' data.
Years are the latest as possible, because they are closest to the time
of the early Slavs. Still, and even more, Z280 seems to be pancorded.

Actual on 20 VI 2020

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=102955&d=1603141651
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[Peterski]

Now try with M458. :)

[Rethel]

Now try with M458. :)

Przecie je, od pierwszego dnia jakiem wrócił: https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?334215-My-last-update-on-archeological-R1a-M458
Pies z kulawą nogą się nawet nie zainteresował.

[gixajo]

I´ve just received the last update from Yseq:

Quick results summary:
R1a Superclade Panel
Z282 C+
Z91 A+
Y2395 T-
R1a-Z280 Panel processing
YP237 A-
Y33 G-
CTS1211 C-
Z92 C-
S24902 G-
CTS2740 C-
YP5000 A+
YP6214 A-

Most specific position on the YFull YTree is R-YP5000

So just now I am: R1a-Z282>Z91(Z280)>YP5000

Your opinion as R1a "expert" about this subclade?

I found this opinion from Anthrogenica:


Autosomally, this sample looks very Germanic. As for its Y-DNA haplogroup (R1a-Z280), we don't know whether it was any of the two common Balto-Slavic subclades (CTS1211 or Z92) or rather one of the three relatively rare Central-Western European subclades (S24902, YP5000 or YP6213). So far, CTS1211 was found in Bronze Age Lithuania, while S24902 was found in Bronze Age Poland (Kuyavia). I suspect some rare/extinct subclades of CTS1211 will be found east of the Vistula river.

[Rethel]

Your opinion as R1a "expert" about this subclade?


Artek (https://www.theapricity.com/forum/member.php?2169-Artek) will be much more helpfull on Z280 and it's subclades, than me.
I only collect the info about preslavic cases of that subgroup :)

[Adamm]

I´ve just received the last update from Yseq:

Quick results summary:
R1a Superclade Panel
Z282 C+
Z91 A+
Y2395 T-
R1a-Z280 Panel processing
YP237 A-
Y33 G-
CTS1211 C-
Z92 C-
S24902 G-
CTS2740 C-
YP5000 A+
YP6214 A-

Most specific position on the YFull YTree is R-YP5000

So just now I am: R1a-Z282>Z91(Z280)>YP5000

Your opinion as R1a "expert" about this subclade?

I found this opinion from Anthrogenica:

Looks like your brand is pretty rare, even on yfull only 2 samples (one which is German) but with a huge TMRCA of 3900 ybp.

[Rethel]

Looks like your brand is pretty rare, even on yfull only 2 samples (one which is German) but with a huge TMRCA of 3900 ybp.

At the first look, his subclade can by anything - from Bell Beakers and
Cordeds through Celts, Romans and Germans to Slavs. Just like mine :)

[gixajo]

Looks like your brand is pretty rare, even on yfull only 2 samples (one which is German) but with a huge TMRCA of 3900 ybp.

I saw this in Ytree. One form Germany and other unknown.

But who knows, maybe the German individual is the son or grandson of a Spaniard who went to Germany during 50´s or 60´s to work there.

Maybe yseq goes further and tell me a more specific subclade.

Thanks.

[gixajo]

At the first look, his subclade can by anything - from Bell Beakers and
Cordeds through Celts, Romans and Germans to Slavs. Just like mine :)

Thanks, I will ask him. Maybe he can tell me something different of that I can find on internet.

[Beo242]

Well, maybe You're right
Because i analysed some Z280 samples from Northern Europe and autosomally they are very germanic

[Beo242]

https://pastebin.com/Gtj6vEYL
NEO221(a.k.a Falkoping 5)
R1a- Z280- CTS1211- CTS8816 in Sweden ADNA.
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