23andme update

[Celestia]

Post your updates.

Mine barely changed although it did give me about a 9% increase in French and German. Was hoping for more regions.

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=103081&d=1603340278

[RyoHazuki]

https://i.imgur.com/R3tRU2K_d.webp?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium

I don't know why Germany and Switzerland appear before France does now. I have no known Swiss (German, French or Italian, I don't even have any matches from Swiss French regions) ancestors and I have a very distant German ancestry. I wonder if it's due to IBD matches of close relatives.

[Adamm]

I became a pure blood:

https://i.imgur.com/SC3z7Iq.png

[WhatsGoingOnBigGuy]

Italian doubled which is more accurate, but somehow lost all of my German.

https://i.imgur.com/K4bXz4q.png

[RyoHazuki]

I became a pure blood:

https://i.imgur.com/SC3z7Iq.png

They really went above my expectations for this, I'm much more happy with this update than the Ancestry one.

Do you actually have ancestry from Algeria or does it give you that based on IBD matches of close relatives?

[Trouble]

Poof

[Adamm]

They really went above my expectations for this, I'm much more happy with this update than the Ancestry one.

Do you actually have ancestry from Algeria or does it give you that based on IBD matches of close relatives?

And yes this update is way better!

I have ancestry from Algeria, my tribe is divided on the border of Algeria and Morocco. 1/4 of my family is Algerian. I don't have ancestry in Marrakesh-Safi, so they didn't update the regions I think.

[EM78GREENSAVANNAH]

103082

I became more Slav(was 75 percent last time.)

[Adamm]

103082

I became more Slav(was 75 percent last time.)

Are you from Ukraine?

[RyoHazuki]

And yes this update is way better!

I have ancestry from Algeria, my tribe is divided on the border of Algeria and Morocco. 1/4 of my family is Algerian. I don't have ancestry in Marrakesh-Safi, so they didn't update the regions I think.

I generally interpret these inaccuracies in country regions to be from errors in the IBD matching/assignment phase. In my case, no way Germany (and esp. Switzerland) should come before France.

[EM78GREENSAVANNAH]

Are you from Ukraine?

From Moldova but Slavic ancestry on both sides.

[IrisSelene]

They got rid of Greece sadly.... Also of Ukraine.

I now get Romania, Bulgaria, Poland, Hungary and Slovakia.

And I thought my west Asian and Jewish would disappear but west Asia increased a bit lol.

Sadly still no region for west asia and Italy and french/German :((((

That's what I was most excited about yikes.

Also, I got Spanish hahahaha https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20201022/68febed6cad6f70631ff0962887b7647.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20201022/e9eb5a845fdf62ab7f83869490dc3b61.jpg

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[Luke35]

Wow, this update came out of nowhere.

My results look very, very good. Far and away the best of all my commercial tests:


https://i.imgur.com/6DYJS1U.png

[Figaro]

Got a little Roma?

Edit: Meant to quote Mr.G.

[IrisSelene]

Ah I forgot to add, they took away half of my Romania regions....


And now most of the regions I get are from eastern Romania, mainly northeast, close to Moldova.


I'm starting to think that maybe I am indeed moldovan lol

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[Adamm]

I generally interpret these inaccuracies in country regions to be from errors in the IBD matching/assignment phase. In my case, no way Germany (and esp. Switzerland) should come before France.

Yes it is purely based upon the input of the customers, most people don't even bother to input correct information.

[Adamm]

From Moldova but Slavic ancestry on both sides.

Are you E-V13?

[IrisSelene]

Wow, this update came out of nowhere.

My results look very, very good. Far and away the best of all my commercial tests:


https://i.imgur.com/6DYJS1U.pngNorth India and Pakistan lol did you get that before?

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[Dirdepo]

No update, mine is already on point

[EM78GREENSAVANNAH]

Are you E-V13?

Lol yeah. you know me dude. I’m the E-V13 Iberomaurusian who rejects the Neolithic theory of entrance of E-V13 into Europe.

[Luke35]

North India and Pakistan lol did you get that before?

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No, but I had 1% West Asian before.

I always score near this region on G25 (Usually it lands in Tajikistan), it's a consistent minor admix, and it finally shows up on a commercial test.

[Celestia]

So my trace ancestry for North India has survived every update lol.. Do y'all think this is noise?

[War Chef]

Not a whole lot has changed

https://i.imgur.com/U8sAhtu.png

[IrisSelene]

No, but I had 1% West Asian before.

I always score near this region on G25 (Usually it lands in Tajikistan), it's a consistent minor admix, and it finally shows up on a commercial test.Oooh. Damn... That's a change alright lol.

Mine just increased from 1.2 to 1.5 west Asian....

On g25 and gedmatch I get mainly always around Armenia/Georgia.

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[Mingle]

https://i.imgur.com/uNADI7m.png
https://i.imgur.com/33vaxbR.png?1

[IrisSelene]

So my trace ancestry for North India has survived every update lol.. Do y'all think this is noise?That's what I'm wondering too about my Jewish and west Asian...

I'm more inclined to believe they're not noise bc in my case they show up even at 90% confidence.... And I do get a lot of Caucasus on g25 and gedmatch.

Did you check north India out in your case?

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[RyoHazuki]

Post your updated timelines too
https://i.imgur.com/X52Gpsk_d.webp?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium

[Celestia]

That's what I'm wondering too about my Jewish and west Asian...

I'm more inclined to believe they're not noise bc in my case they show up even at 90% confidence.... And I do get a lot of Caucasus on g25 and gedmatch.

Did you check north India out in your case?

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Yes, it's still there even at 90%..
lol my SSA goes up at 90%. interesting.

[EM78GREENSAVANNAH]

I’m so glad I didn’t get any Jew genes. Although I might have turned out more intelligent and sneaky.

[IrisSelene]

Yes, it's still there even at 90%..
lol my SSA goes up at 90%. interesting.Interesting hahah check out your g25

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[Celestia]

Far and away the best of all my commercial tests:



I agree. This test is definitely better than Ancestry now imo. Their new update was awful compared to this.

[IrisSelene]

Post your updated timelines too
https://i.imgur.com/X52Gpsk_d.webp?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=mediumDamn senegambian, Scandinavian and Jewish at the same time? Wow

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[IrisSelene]

I agree. This test is definitely better than Ancestry now imo. Their new update was awful compared to this.Honestly. I'm more excited about myheritage updating lol

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[IrisSelene]

My new timeline https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20201022/2fec671df9b71c6caab4525f741fe77e.jpg

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[Luke35]

My new timeline:

https://i.imgur.com/NqZLUrX.png

[Adamm]

My new timeline https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20201022/2fec671df9b71c6caab4525f741fe77e.jpg

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You had North African before?

[RyoHazuki]

Honestly. I'm more excited about myheritage updating lol

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Same, honestly. I expect 23andme to update periodically and was excited for this one largely because it took the longest, but we've come a long way since MyHeritage was introduced and they've never updated at any point to my knowledge.

[IrisSelene]

You had North African before?Nope, that's new! That's why I think I got 0.3% extra lol cuz it used to be 1.2 west Asia and North African, not 1.5


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[IrisSelene]

Same, honestly. I expect 23andme to update periodically and was excited for this one largely because it took the longest, but we've come a long way since MyHeritage was introduced and they've never updated at any point to my knowledge.Yeah, also I'm mainly excited bc supposedly they're gonna make lots of changes. The biggest one that they're gonna add regions too.

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[Mortimer]

Mine were not updated

Updated: September 30, 2019

[dududud]

The new DNA results from my father, if I put aside the extra-European contribution (0.6%, like my mother) which is certainly "noise" because not detected by Gedmatch nor Global 25 (which models the person with populations ancestral, including non-European), the rest is "good".

My mother gets more or less 0.7% Sub-Saharan that neither Global 25 detects (even as an archaic population), neither Gedmatch, and nor David from Eurogenes manages to detect (he told me, after sending the raw data of my mother, to detect a signal of more or less 0.4% typed " Moroccan ", but claims that the signal is too weak for us to speak of real contribution, recent contribution in any case, it could be noise as well).

In addition, my mother's close cousin, who therefore has a Sardinian part (from the close family), does not obtain this percentage on 23andme. I also noticed that the percentage does not increase over the generations: I get the same extra-European percentage as my mother. I don't get any on Gedmatch (Sub-Saharan type, I means), on Myheritage, on FTDNA, and the Global 25, the same for my mother.

In general, a person with a Sub-Saharan contribution will attest genealogically (which is not the case for me: neither on my mother's side, nor on my father's side; I even have DNA kits from several of my cousins) as member RyoHazuki and Celestia, appears on the ancestral populations of Global 25 and on Gedmatch.

It also sometimes happens that 23andme does not indicate a sub-Saharan percentage, but does indicate it on the Global 25 and Gedmatch (this is the case for some Portuguese members for example).

Don't quote



Father results:
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1665x937q90/922/zEs7SD.jpg





Mother results:
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1665x937q90/923/RwAmbl.jpg



Father global 25, gedmatch and other
Target: Father_scaled
Distance: 5.7803% / 0.05780347
44.2 Anatolia_Barcin_N
42.8 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
13.0 WHG
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/a/img923/2738/nqDYtB.jpg
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/800x450q90/924/bTdB3D.jpg




Mother global 25, gedmatch and other

Target: Mother_scaled
Distance: 4.4225% / 0.04422468
66.0 Anatolia_Barcin_N
26.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
8.0 WHG

K13
1 West_Med 32.83
2 North_Atlantic 30.87
3 East_Med 17.88
4 Baltic 13.3
5 West_Asian 3.47
6 East_Asian 1.23
7 Red_Sea 0.19
8 Amerindian 0.15
9 Oceanian 0.08

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/463x463q90/923/sGXDqW.jpg

[RyoHazuki]

The new DNA results from my father, if I put aside the extra-European contribution (6%, like my mother) which is certainly "noise" because not detected by Gedmatch nor Global 25 (which models the person with populations ancestral, including non-European), the rest is "good".

My mother gets more or less 0.7% Sub-Saharan that neither Global 25 detects (even as an archaic population), neither Gedmatch, and nor David from Eurogenes manages to detect (he told me, after sending the raw data of my mother, to detect a signal of more or less 0.4% typed " Moroccan ", but claims that the signal is too weak for us to speak of real contribution, recent contribution in any case, it could be noise as well).

In addition, my mother's close cousin, who therefore has a Sardinian part (from the close family), does not obtain this percentage on 23andme. I also noticed that the percentage does not increase over the generations: I get the same extra-European percentage as my mother. I don't get any on Gedmatch (Sub-Saharan type, I means), on Myheritage, on FTDNA, and the Global 25, the same for my mother.

In general, a person with a Sub-Saharan contribution will attest genealogically (which is not the case for me: neither on my mother's side, nor on my father's side; I even have DNA kits from several of my cousins) as member RyoHazuki and Celestia, appears on the ancestral populations of Global 25 and on Gedmatch.

It also sometimes happens that 23andme does not indicate a sub-Saharan percentage, but does indicate it on the Global 25 and Gedmatch (this is the case for some Portuguese members for example).

Don't quote



Father results:
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1665x937q90/922/zEs7SD.jpg





Mother results:
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1665x937q90/923/RwAmbl.jpg



Father global 25, gedmatch and other
Target: Father_scaled
Distance: 5.7803% / 0.05780347
44.2 Anatolia_Barcin_N
42.8 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
13.0 WHG
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/a/img923/2738/nqDYtB.jpg
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/800x450q90/924/bTdB3D.jpg




Mother global 25, gedmatch and other

Target: Mother_scaled
Distance: 4.4225% / 0.04422468
66.0 Anatolia_Barcin_N
26.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
8.0 WHG

K13
1 West_Med 32.83
2 North_Atlantic 30.87
3 East_Med 17.88
4 Baltic 13.3
5 West_Asian 3.47
6 East_Asian 1.23
7 Red_Sea 0.19
8 Amerindian 0.15
9 Oceanian 0.08

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/463x463q90/923/sGXDqW.jpg

Seems redundant to have a separate Sardinian population as well as a Sardinia region for Italian on 23andme.

[Kaspias]

Wtf 23andme :D

https://i.ibb.co/zrh4Bfk/Ads-z.png

[Ford]

lol

https://i.imgur.com/Q3Cl0gU.png

[Ylla]

Mine hasn't changed

https://i.postimg.cc/sgB2R8HN/Screenshot-20201022-085520-2.png

I think my results are pretty much set now, not expecting any major changes maybe a few % here and there.

[Ion Basescul]

Oh fuck off, they didn't include me in the batch for updates yet. :mad:

[oszkar07]

A little better , but still too much broadly .


https://i.imgur.com/Xj1RvWt.jpg?1

https://i.imgur.com/Xj1RvWt.jpg?1

https://i.imgur.com/oVwar2D.jpg?1

[dududud]

Seems redundant to have a separate Sardinian population as well as a Sardinia region for Italian on 23andme.

They should just make a only Sardinian category.

It is necessary to decipher about to the various inherited contributions:
My southern European contribution is slightly inflated, because according to 23andme I would have inherited 26.7% Sardinian ("southern European" categorized) from my mother's side, but also 1.7% categorized also as "southern European" from my father's side, which gives in all 28.4%.

What you have to understand is that my real "southern European" contribution (in 23andme) is 26.7%, because my father's "southern European" contribution is simply French, which must therefore be added to my French contribution.

[PaleoEuropean]

Not a good update for me, just lumped all my broad north western european into German and gave me Anatolia and North Africa which I have no connection to. My ancestors did fight in the Crusades but I doubt it's from that.

https://i.imgur.com/qFBkZiI.jpg

[Adamm]

Not a good update for me, just lumped all my broad north western european into German and gave me Anatolia and North Africa which I have no connection to. My ancestors did fight in the Crusades but I doubt it's from that.

https://i.imgur.com/qFBkZiI.jpg

Does it stay with 90% confidence lvl?

[WeirdLookingFellow]

My ancestors did fight in the Crusades but I doubt it's from that.



That enemy blood on your ancestor's sword sure left a stain.

[Benyzero]

https://i.imgur.com/p81PGoQ.png

[IrisSelene]

Mine hasn't changed

https://i.postimg.cc/sgB2R8HN/Screenshot-20201022-085520-2.png

I think my results are pretty much set now, not expecting any major changes maybe a few % here and there.Oh wow that's uh, very Balkan lmao

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[PaleoEuropean]

Does it stay with 90% confidence lvl?

No

[Polak]

I've lost my German completely and my Lithuanian and Hungarian regions. They've done me dirty considering that pretty much every calc (and G25) show I'm around 10% German. They've also upped my Jewish by a tiny amount.

[oszkar07]

I've lost my German completely and my Lithuanian and Hungarian regions. They've done me dirty considering that pretty much every calc (and G25) show I'm around 10% German. They've also upped my Jewish by a tiny amount.

Altogether I would put more faith in G25/VahuedoEurogenes etc.

[PaleoEuropean]

I've lost my German completely and my Lithuanian and Hungarian regions. They've done me dirty considering that pretty much every calc (and G25) show I'm around 10% German. They've also upped my Jewish by a tiny amount.

They gave me too much German, you can have some of mine

[Benyzero]

They gave me too much German, you can have some of mine

I doN't think Iam this much german either tho

[Polak]

Altogether I would put more faith in G25/VahuedoEurogenes etc.

Yeah man, it is what it is, this update just isn't that good for me.

[RyoHazuki]

Altogether I would put more faith in G25/VahuedoEurogenes etc.

23andme is better at showing French people as French. G25/Eurogenes prefers illustrating them as some Germanic-Iberian mix.

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

My results were not updated yet (I am under the V4 chip). I will leave you with my wife and my father's results, who did test with the most recent version:

Wife:

https://i.imgur.com/HcxvcKL.png


Father:

https://i.imgur.com/fJoraC1.png

[oszkar07]

23andme is better at showing French people as French. G25/Eurogenes prefers illustrating them as some Germanic-Iberian mix.

Very few companies commercial or non commercial are without fault.

DNA /Ethnicity estimation is interesting but certainly not exact or perfect science.

[17571imre]

Wow, this update came out of nowhere.

My results look very, very good. Far and away the best of all my commercial tests:


https://i.imgur.com/6DYJS1U.png

congrats MrG this is looking very good for you! it looks very much in line with your G25 results.

[alexmegas777]

BEFORE
https://i.ibb.co/pQgRR20/Screenshot-20200930-202926.jpg
AFTER
https://i.ibb.co/9NkQrLB/Screenshot-20201022-123659.jpg

[oszkar07]

Not a good update for me, just lumped all my broad north western european into German and gave me Anatolia and North Africa which I have no connection to. My ancestors did fight in the Crusades but I doubt it's from that.

https://i.imgur.com/qFBkZiI.jpg

Do you have any known German or French ancestry/recent ancestors ?

[Polak]

They gave me too much German, you can have some of mine

You can have some of my Eastern European broski :)

[PaleoEuropean]

Do you have any known German or French ancestry/recent ancestors ?

Swiss and Hessian, no French for at least 1000 years

[Benyzero]

Swiss and Hessian, no French for at least 1000 years

No french pliz, anything but flench

[El_Abominacion]

Mine

https://i.gyazo.com/01ff9c26d5f78484ee13945163efaaae.png
https://i.gyazo.com/a0f6845d5587bc8ee72a1dfaf1bc2757.png
https://i.gyazo.com/3ae259aebb1c7cb84e160a9f3ebed38a.png


Mums:

https://i.gyazo.com/f644e472ac524ebf4984617ff63d61d9.png


We both finally got Pakistan regions, they are identical. One for Punjab and one for KPK

https://i.gyazo.com/482eb1450801a52f69699a2d29e857c5.png

Amazing how much more precise it is. My mum is an almost exact 50/50 Paki/Spanish split and they narrowed down her Northern Asia to Siberia again. For me i'm almost exactly 75% European and South Asian (only 0.1% off loool) which is what I know those two parts of my ancestry total to. Very good update

[wisteria]

Mine actually changed quite a bit

https://i.imgur.com/ATUtJww.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/gYeDBO6.jpg

Before
https://i.imgur.com/fFbK2UI.jpg

I think it’s more accurate with the update

[El_Abominacion]

Wow, this update came out of nowhere.

My results look very, very good. Far and away the best of all my commercial tests:


https://i.imgur.com/6DYJS1U.png

This definitely tops all others right now. Very impressive

[Ion Basescul]

BEFORE
https://i.ibb.co/pQgRR20/Screenshot-20200930-202926.jpg
AFTER
https://i.ibb.co/9NkQrLB/Screenshot-20201022-123659.jpg

Very cool, and also very different from your K13 that gives you a disproportionate Northwestern shift.

[Schwop]

https://zizihub.com/5a4e71.jpg

[Grace O'Malley]

Altogether I would put more faith in G25/VahuedoEurogenes etc.

No (Sorry that came across as a bit more blunt than I intended). :p I'm not sure what G25 is looking at but I come out with a big chunk of Scandinavian on that which is most likely similarity but not real.

Anyway I wasn't going to have a drink because it's a work night but this was a good enough excuse and a surprise.

I put on this to get into the mood. :)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wyQ-tScuzwM

Very boring and quite pointless for an Irish person to take these tests other than the raw dna. :)

https://i.imgur.com/ECvp1ne.png

[Thracian]

Wtf 23andme :D

https://i.ibb.co/zrh4Bfk/Ads-z.png

It seems they still keeps Balkan and Thracian Turks as one of the references of Anatolian. My breakdown is similar to yours. In contrast to ancestry breakdown, regions are more accurate for Turkey now but less accurate for Bulgaria. They also added Greece with 5 new regions. Probably, I will have no Greece next update :D because they remove it every 2 updates :D

[mitalit]

I guess they are more accurate, but also more boring. I am surprised that my italian has dropped (I am 1 /16 Italian), I am also surprised that my Jewish percentage remains the same (It probably comes from my southern Italian :confused:)
https://i.gyazo.com/4f55a6290de5cce8f851b7c0ee403cc8.png

https://i.gyazo.com/6c32146c5e86c197f6521942f132b679.png
The old
https://i.gyazo.com/9bfad9c9393d19503f1732c032a6a1a7.png

[Kaspias]

It seems they still keeps Balkan and Thracian Turks as one the references of Anatolian. My breakdown is similar to yours. In contrast to ancestry breakdown, regions are more accurate for Turkey now but less accurate for Bulgaria. They also added Greece with 5 new regions. Probably, I will have no Greece next update :D because they remove it every 2 updates :D

It is terrible tbh. I mean, even MyHeritage's results that balances my admixture by using Eastern Europe and Anatolia seem more reasonable than the current 23andme result.

Which regions did you get in Turkey and Bulgaria? Also wonder if you get Macedonia in Greece?

I was expecting to get new regions, especially in Balkans as I had none, and it is still the same. Plus my Turkish regions(Muğla & Konya) removed. A broad match on Eastern Anatolia added instead.


On the other hand, regions are still the same in my cousin:


https://i.ibb.co/WtZ000H/Ads-z.png

Only difference is boosted Anatolia.

[Thracian]

It is terrible tbh. I mean, even MyHeritage's results that balances my admixture by using Eastern Europe and Anatolia seem more reasonable than the current 23andme result.

Which regions did you get in Turkey and Bulgaria? Also wonder if you get Macedonia in Greece?

I was expecting to get new regions, especially in Balkans as I had none, and it is still the same. Plus my Turkish regions(Muğla & Konya) removed. A broad match on Eastern Anatolia added instead.


On the other hand, regions are still the same in my cousin:


https://i.ibb.co/WtZ000H/Ads-z.png

Only difference is boosted Anatolia.

Mine is also boosted. This is pretty obvious because except Sivas the rest of my regions are Edirne and Tekirdag. Sivas comes from because of Erzincan, I believe. For Bulgaria, I do not have ancestry from Western part of the country. I used to have places like Stara Zagora which makes more sense. I had Konya and Istanbul for Turkey but they are gone like some other regions in Bulgaria. I do have both Western and Central Macedonia.

https://i.ibb.co/bvv1vKT/v59AB.png

https://i.ibb.co/68tCTXw/v59G.png

https://i.ibb.co/Pmd6FXH/v59B.png

https://i.ibb.co/ZB9jc0Z/v59T2.png

https://i.ibb.co/K6VxNhC/v59T.png

[Polak]

MyHeritage is almost spot on for me tbh.

[Abriekman]

I am now a bit Turkish ( Anatolian ) according to them, I do not know, is it Sephardic or maybe real Bulgarian Turk ancestry
Balkan Turkish heritage is possible considering my ancestor was from area, where 50%+ population were Muslim Turks

[Grace O'Malley]

They got rid of Greece sadly.... Also of Ukraine.

I now get Romania, Bulgaria, Poland, Hungary and Slovakia.

And I thought my west Asian and Jewish would disappear but west Asia increased a bit lol.

Sadly still no region for west asia and Italy and french/German :((((

That's what I was most excited about yikes.

Also, I got Spanish hahahaha https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20201022/68febed6cad6f70631ff0962887b7647.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20201022/e9eb5a845fdf62ab7f83869490dc3b61.jpg

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Do you have real ancestry from the areas you don't get regions for? I think some of these results are due to their algorithms just trying to decipher your dna and not that you have real ancestry from these places. This is when they don't have really accurate panels or when they put some populations in too broad a category. That is why they will disappear when they update. In the past I've had French & German, Spanish & Portuguese and Scandinavian. All gone in a puff of smoke. :) I think if it isn't real or if your ancestry is too distant you won't get regions. Anyway 23&Me's regions are a load of twaddle. They completely miss a county where I have ancestry from and have at no 4 the other county I have ancestry from and I get British regions which are apparently Highly Likely when I have no recent British ancestry.

[PaleoEuropean]

Does it stay with 90% confidence lvl?

I misspoke it days stay but less

https://i.imgur.com/3Q2xEtz.jpg

[Abriekman]

I've lost my German completely and my Lithuanian and Hungarian regions. They've done me dirty considering that pretty much every calc (and G25) show I'm around 10% German. They've also upped my Jewish by a tiny amount.

They want to reduce minor ancestry and make everyone 100% something, do not pay attention to it

[Grace O'Malley]

So my trace ancestry for North India has survived every update lol.. Do y'all think this is noise?

Interesting and anything is possible. I watched in the past some really interesting Who Do You Think You Are programs about Billy Connelly and Olivia Colman who both found out they have an Indian female ancestor from the time of British India. One of Billy's Irish ancestors who was a soldier in India had an Indian wife and one of Olivia's English ancestors had an Indian wife. They both never knew about this until it was researched. I think Billy only had something like 3% South Asian dna.

They were both great programs.

[Rgvgjhvv]

Mine hasn't updated yet. Brb gonna cry

[Tooting Carmen]

Interesting and anything is possible. I watched in the past some really interesting Who Do You Think You Are programs about Billy Connelly and Olivia Colman who both found out they have an Indian female ancestor from the time of British India. One of Billy's Irish ancestors who was a soldier in India had an Indian wife and one of Olivia's English ancestors had an Indian wife. They both never knew about this until it was researched. I think Billy only had something like 3% South Asian dna.

They were both great programs.

While I still think it is possible to objectively ascertain that there was less miscegenation in the British Empire than in the Portuguese, Spanish and possibly even French Empires, I think it did go on more than many like to acknowledge, and certainly at least some of those Brits with dark and ambiguous phenotypes may well have Black or South Asian ancestors.

[Dr_Maul]

Mine hasn't updated yet. Brb gonna cry

Same :(
To be fair I only entered the beta program like an hour ago :p

[Tooting Carmen]

As an aside, IMO Celestia is a good example of someone who's genotype and phenotype don't really coincide.

[Rgvgjhvv]

Same :(
To be fair I only entered the beta program like an hour ago :p

Where is that option?!?! WHY DIDN'T ANYONE TELL US!!!!! AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Lol I'm actually low-key livid :lol:

[oszkar07]

[QUOTE=Grace O'Malley;6949794]No (Sorry that came across as a bit more blunt than I intended). :p I'm not sure what G25 is looking at but I come out with a big chunk of Scandinavian on that which is most likely similarity but not real.

Anyway I wasn't going to have a drink because it's a work night but this was a good enough excuse and a surprise.

I put on this to get into the mood. :)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wyQ-tScuzwM



Cmon they only had to read your name "Grace O'Malley " and it was a no brainer = 100% Irish.

Just joking congrats and enjoy , I hope your drinking only the finest single malt Irish Whiskey ... Sláinte !

[Rgvgjhvv]

I"m gonna start swinging bro

[Ion Basescul]

Where is that option?!?! WHY DIDN'T ANYONE TELL US!!!!! AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Lol I'm actually low-key livid :lol:

If you are on v4 or older like me then no beta is going to update your results for now. They sent a message that for now only v5 get the update.

[Dr_Maul]

Wow, what an update!
Removed most of my North Indian and gave me Central Asia instead
Completely removed my Anatolian and Arab.. WTF
Now I have some South India and East Africa, damn!

https://i.ibb.co/FBJySLB/Screen-Shot-2020-10-22-at-8-11-00-AM.png

Original Result:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=97298&d=1586553169

[Luke35]

Where is that option?!?! WHY DIDN'T ANYONE TELL US!!!!! AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Lol I'm actually low-key livid :lol:

Settings--> preferences

Then try logging out and back in.

[Grace O'Malley]

Mine hasn't updated yet. Brb gonna cry

It's only for V5 luv so that might be why. Here's hoping the older versions will get updated as well although all my family will just end up 100% B&I.

[Dorian]

Can someone link the previous update thread? I can't find it..

[Rgvgjhvv]

Settings--> preferences

Then try logging out and back in.

That worked perfectly. Thanks MrG!

[Grace O'Malley]

While I still think it is possible to objectively ascertain that there was less miscegenation in the British Empire than in the Portuguese, Spanish and possibly even French Empires, I think it did go on more than many like to acknowledge, and certainly at least some of those Brits with dark and ambiguous phenotypes may well have Black or South Asian ancestors.

It would be very interesting to discover something like that. I've always been fascinated by the Raj and British India. I think this is because I know so many Anglo-Indians so I know a lot about the country. Also one of my father's best mates was an Anglo-Indian man who served on the railways in India. He had such interesting stories.

[El_Abominacion]

Wow, what an update!
Removed most of my North Indian and gave me Central Asia instead
Completely removed my Anatolian and Arab.. WTF
Now I have some South India and East Africa, damn!

https://i.ibb.co/FBJySLB/Screen-Shot-2020-10-22-at-8-11-00-AM.png

Original Result:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=97298&d=1586553169


Your Anatolian was replaced by African, this can only mean one thing

https://archive-media-0.nyafuu.org/bant/image/1529/23/1529238843377.png

[El_Abominacion]

I misspoke it days stay but less

https://i.imgur.com/3Q2xEtz.jpg

Al-Borrebus

[Dr_Maul]

Your Anatolian was replaced by African, this can only mean one thing

https://archive-media-0.nyafuu.org/bant/image/1529/23/1529238843377.png

Anatolian, East African, all the same
We are all KARABOGA on the inside

[Halgurd]

My results are the same. They just added some new regions.
Kurdistan region
Sulaymaniyah
Nineveh
West Azerbaijan
Tehran
Diyarbakir

[Grace O'Malley]

[QUOTE]


Cmon they only had to read your name "Grace O'Malley " and it was a no brainer = 100% Irish.

Just joking congrats and enjoy , I hope your drinking only the finest single malt Irish Whiskey ... Sláinte !

I'm actually drinking Maker's Mark because it is lovely but I'm going to get some Redbreast on the weekend. Dea-shláinte agus saibhreas oszkar. Yes I'm as Irish as Paddy's pigs. :)

[Halgurd]

My results are the same. They just added some new regions.
Kurdistan region
Sulaymaniyah
Nineveh
West Azerbaijan
Tehran
Diyarbakir

lol wait it updated again

https://i.ibb.co/YByPVr9/88-C6-CB4-E-C116-4-BEC-A6-DE-A280-F1-FA5-B6-F.jpg

[Rgvgjhvv]

I don't know how to feel about this update!!!

Mom's:

https://i.ibb.co/PQfJJpq/Screen-Shot-2020-10-22-at-9-24-17-AM.png

Mine:

https://i.ibb.co/qxdPc51/Screen-Shot-2020-10-22-at-9-40-08-AM.png
https://i.ibb.co/7YsN9CP/Screen-Shot-2020-10-22-at-9-33-27-AM.png

-----

Both mine and mother's West Asian has now partially absorbed into our Greek category. ~4-5% so a decently big chunk.

We both have Sudanese trace ancestry. Actually my mom's North African went up. Her East Asian is totally gone now. Her Turkish and Italian regions are now gone.

For some reason, my "Iranian, Caucasian & Mesopotamian" shot way up and now I'm connected to Eastern Turkey. My Anatolian actually went down (moved to Greek?) Istanbul is a new ancestor region for me. Denizli is still there. But, my Italian regions are now gone as well.

[Grace O'Malley]

I don't know how to feel about this update!!!

Mom's:

https://i.ibb.co/PQfJJpq/Screen-Shot-2020-10-22-at-9-24-17-AM.png

Mine:

https://i.ibb.co/qxdPc51/Screen-Shot-2020-10-22-at-9-40-08-AM.png
https://i.ibb.co/7YsN9CP/Screen-Shot-2020-10-22-at-9-33-27-AM.png

-----

Both mine and mother's West Asian has now partially absorbed into our Greek category. ~4-5% so a decently big chunk.

We both have Sudanese trace ancestry. Actually my mom's North African went up. Her East Asian is totally gone now. Her Turkish and Italian regions are now gone.

For some reason, my "Iranian, Caucasian & Mesopotamian" shot way up and now I'm connected to Eastern Turkey. My Anatolian actually went down (moved to Greek?) Istanbul is a new ancestor region for me. Denizli is still there. But, my Italian regions are now gone as well.

I'm delighted you got the update. So you are on V5 then? :thumb001:

[Coastal Elite]

I think these are improved results since they correctly identified Brasov as my top region in Romania which is consistent with my known ancestry.

https://i.imgur.com/rHGFzPT.jpg

[Rgvgjhvv]

I'm delighted you got the update. So you are on V5 then? :thumb001:

Yes ma'am!

[Grace O'Malley]

I think these are improved results since they correctly identified Brasov as my top region in Romania which is consistent with my known ancestry.

https://i.imgur.com/rHGFzPT.jpg

It even gets your Co. Cork. Are the Romanian regions accurate?

[Leto]

lol wait it updated again

https://i.ibb.co/YByPVr9/88-C6-CB4-E-C116-4-BEC-A6-DE-A280-F1-FA5-B6-F.jpg
I apologize if it's offensive, it's a word I learned on the Apricity but pure Kiro! xD

[Abriekman]

my updated results

https://i.imgur.com/xw7DjQv.jpg

[Celestia]

Interesting and anything is possible. I watched in the past some really interesting Who Do You Think You Are programs about Billy Connelly and Olivia Colman who both found out they have an Indian female ancestor from the time of British India. One of Billy's Irish ancestors who was a soldier in India had an Indian wife and one of Olivia's English ancestors had an Indian wife. They both never knew about this until it was researched. I think Billy only had something like 3% South Asian dna.

They were both great programs.

Oh how interesting! My English ancestry is all colonial that I know of, however I did check a 2nd cousin of mine and he also has the same trace results for “Bengali and northeast India” so I’m thinking it might be legit. I’m thinking of subscribing to Ancestry’s family tree again to see if I can find a correlation. At least now I know it would be from my paternal side.

[Coastal Elite]

It even gets your Co. Cork. Are the Romanian regions accurate?

Yes, quite accurate now with Brasov as the top region, which is where my family is from. As far as Cork, it seems easy for these calculators to detect since 23andMe, AncestryDNA, and LivingDNA all picked it up.

[Halgurd]

I apologize if it's offensive, it's a word I learned on the Apricity but pure Kiro! xD

ahahah its not offensive but turks try to use it in a derogatory way
it just means son in Kurdish (pronounced kuro)

[Halgurd]

gone

[gixajo]

Mine.

https://i.imgur.com/e34Zove.png

2 first regions are Ok.

https://i.imgur.com/5VVdVos.png

[Dorian]

From first results to last update https://i.postimg.cc/mkY77pZT/upp.png

[Dr_Maul]

Looks like everyone here managed to get a little Anatolian except me lol

[Slavic Italian]

I am still showing results from Oct 2019. Has anyone ever tested twice with them?

[Rgvgjhvv]

Looks like everyone here managed to get a little Anatolian except me lol

Us real Anatolians get our percentage zapped while these fakies try and take our land and culture...smh.

[Dr_Maul]

Us real Anatolians get our percentage zapped while these fakies try and take our land and culture...smh.

Damn, all that time when I looked at my 4% Anatolian was just fake, an imaginary statistic
Guess I was just larping the whole time, smh

[Abriekman]

Looks like everyone here managed to get a little Anatolian except me lol

Not everyone, for example my Anatolian should be really Balkan Turkish or Sephardic Jewish, I have known ancestry from Silistra province, a lot of Turks there were

[Rgvgjhvv]

My sister-in-law (Greek from Sparta)

https://i.ibb.co/10xsy2x/Screen-Shot-2020-10-22-at-10-44-18-AM.png

[xripkan]

I find this update much more accurate. Italian (Apulia recent ancestor location) disappeared. It was probably genetic similarity.
These are my new results

103091

I notice that many people score SSA. It is probably an error of the algorithm. The rest makes sense for me and is consistent with Gedmatch and G25 results.

[EM78GREENSAVANNAH]

Oh fuck off, they didn't include me in the batch for updates yet. :mad:

It’s because the Romanian plebs get included last in the update.

[Slavic Italian]

Wow, this update came out of nowhere.

My results look very, very good. Far and away the best of all my commercial tests:


https://i.imgur.com/6DYJS1U.png

Nice. Did you test V5 Chip?

[Rgvgjhvv]

I find this update much more accurate. Italian (Apulia recent ancestor location) disappeared. It was probably genetic similarity.
These are my new results

103091

I notice that many people score SSA. It is probably an error of the algorithm. The rest makes sense for me and is consistent with Gedmatch and G25 results.

Wow, this is interesting.

Your results don't seem accurate in comparison to your GEDMatch results and documented ancestry.

[Slavic Italian]

I tested V3. I've decided to retest.

[RyoHazuki]

As an aside, IMO Celestia is a good example of someone who's genotype and phenotype don't really coincide.

Do you think everyone north of Paris is blonde and blue eyed or something?

[xripkan]

Wow, this is interesting.

Your results don't seem accurate in comparison to your GEDMatch results and documented ancestry.

I am modelled as Greek Mainlander + 1/16 West Asian at Eurogenes K13

I think I score a bit higher Iran Neolithic than other Greek Mainlanders in G25. There is a small eastern shift but I don't know why.
It is not consistent with my know ancestry indeed.

[knez01]

Still didn't get the update!

[alnortedelsur]

I'm still waiting for my update :(

[Benyzero]

Still didn't get the update!

Catholics don't get update now

[Aren]

Mine.

https://i.imgur.com/e34Zove.png

2 first regions are Ok.

https://i.imgur.com/5VVdVos.png

Arab nice.

[War Chef]

I’m so glad I didn’t get any Jew genes. Although I might have turned out more intelligent and sneaky.

I'm actually disappointed I got none. Real talk

[Luke35]

Nice. Did you test V5 Chip?

Yes I am on V5.

[Ion Basescul]

It’s because the Romanian plebs get included last in the update.

Ironic, coming from a Romanian halfie.

[PaleoEuropean]

I tested V3. I've decided to retest.

What year was that like 2012?

[Slavic Italian]

What year was that like 2012?

Yes.

[Slavic Italian]

Yes I am on V5.

Thanks. I just ordered a new kit to retest on V5. I won't do anymore DNA testing for a few years.

[Slavic Italian]

Do you think everyone north of Paris is blonde and blue eyed or something?

There are people who I know that think all Germans have those particular traits. LOL.

[calxpal]

https://i.ibb.co/BfZTHrS/Captureu20203.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/F4cJhfv/Captureu2020.jpg
The overall categories stayed basically the same, but the results became more specific within the categories and a lot less Broadly stuff. I also lost most of my MENA trace, and I have a lot more specific assignments at the 90% confidence level now too, and a few other minor changes.

[Kaspias]

Mine is also boosted. This is pretty obvious because except Sivas the rest of my regions are Edirne and Tekirdag. Sivas comes from because of Erzincan, I believe. For Bulgaria, I do not have ancestry from Western part of the country. I used to have places like Stara Zagora which makes more sense. I had Konya and Istanbul for Turkey but they are gone like some other regions in Bulgaria. I do have both Western and Central Macedonia.

https://i.ibb.co/bvv1vKT/v59AB.png

https://i.ibb.co/68tCTXw/v59G.png

https://i.ibb.co/Pmd6FXH/v59B.png

https://i.ibb.co/ZB9jc0Z/v59T2.png

https://i.ibb.co/K6VxNhC/v59T.png

Thanks for posting!

I'm pretty much interested in the regions which Balkan Turks get in Anatolia. In the past, I came across that there are hotspots in Konya, Kastamonu, Çorum, Elazığ, Erzincan. Chipset 23andme use aimed to investigate your recent admixture in the last 200-300 years. It seems that early migrations from Anatolia(Kayı, Karesi, Saruhan, Menteşe...) are out of range with the current technology. Yet more recent migrations that probably roots in Celali Rebellions are seemed to be traceable.

This is updated result of @Deniz. (has 6% EE in Gedmatch, but at the same time low Anatolian in 23andme. I wonder what makes that difference.)

He had 16% WA in the former one, now 14%. He also had no regions, now has three.

The other region under Balkan is Vidin.

https://i.ibb.co/qFrbTcB/Ads-z.png

[calxpal]

I think these are improved results since they correctly identified Brasov as my top region in Romania which is consistent with my known ancestry.

https://i.imgur.com/rHGFzPT.jpg

Nice =) almost a magic 50/50! I got Cork Ireland as a region too.

[Chryssie Khanate]

https://i.postimg.cc/qB9nRhrK/image.png

[gixajo]

Arab nice.

Yeah 0.3%, in trace ancestry. I am practically Arab :rolleyes:

[knez01]

Here are my results updated! Apparently I get Greek as a high likely match? Could it be a proxy for Albanian maybe, since I know Zadar had a lot of Arbanasi and still does. No more Broadly European stuff and much less Eastern European! Good update overall, the only thing missing is my Italian ancestry, or maybe it's actually Italianized Albanian which was common in Zadar. I don't know anymore but I think this is the end to my genetical story. Also, to the ones that didn't get the update, you need to turn on your beta testing access which you can toggle on and off here : https://customercare.23andme.com/hc/en-us/articles/360013592713
My results : https://imgur.com/a/ybuO5Gj
I am Dalmatian, simple as that.

[Tooting Carmen]

Do you think everyone north of Paris is blonde and blue eyed or something?

Of course not, but I'd say she is more Med-looking than even the majority of Catalans and Northern Italians.

[Thracian]

Thanks for posting!

I'm pretty much interested in the regions which Balkan Turks get in Anatolia. In the past, I came across that there are hotspots in Konya, Kastamonu, Çorum, Elazığ, Erzincan. Chipset 23andme use aimed to investigate your recent admixture in the last 200-300 years. It seems that early migrations from Anatolia(Kayı, Karesi, Saruhan, Menteşe...) are out of range with the current technology. Yet more recent migrations that probably roots in Celali Rebellions are seemed to be traceable.

This is updated result of @Deniz. (has 6% EE in Gedmatch, but at the same time low Anatolian in 23andme. I wonder what makes that difference.)

He had 16% WA in the former one, now 14%. He also had no regions, now has three.

The other region under Balkan is Vidin.

https://i.ibb.co/qFrbTcB/Ads-z.png

I'll share what other Balkan Turks get with you, but almost all of them are still in older version. I can not compare my results with them now.

I think, this one looks suitable for Deniz's ancestry. He is more Northern shifted than us, and he is modeled 85% Bulgarian on G25 as far as I remember -or Gagauz-. He is also from Razgrad.

In contrast to him, we are more Southern and Turks in Thrace and Southern Bulgaria have different admixtures than Turks in Northern Bulgaria.

Yes, Erzincan could be related with Celali rebellions. I think Sivas appears because of Erzincan.

[Aren]

Yeah 0.3%, in trace ancestry. I am practically Arab :rolleyes:

:rolleyes:

[Longbowman]

GREAT update. By far the most accurate it has ever been for me. I'll put detail on my own 23andme thread, but for now, here's my new results:

https://i.imgur.com/yt9phDZ.png
https://i.imgur.com/H9ODSwk.png

[gixajo]

https://i.postimg.cc/qB9nRhrK/image.png

And you 0.2% non-european, what is?

[Chryssie Khanate]

And you 0.2% non-european, what is?

Angolan & Congolese. It seems to have stayed with the update, and 23andMe is fairly confident that I have traces of it (90%). I just don't have any idea where it may be on my family tree.

[gixajo]

:rolleyes:

I am more Arab than you European, yes.;)

[Rgvgjhvv]

I am modelled as Greek Mainlander + 1/16 West Asian at Eurogenes K13

I think I score a bit higher Iran Neolithic than other Greek Mainlanders in G25. There is a small eastern shift but I don't know why.
It is not consistent with my know ancestry indeed.

It's not consistent with your GEDMatch in terms of plotting also with similar peoples from your area and their 23andMe results, aka my mom and Dorian. You're way closer to me actually!

[Dušan]

I have a question: Is there possibility to upload FTDNA raw data on 23andme to get result?

[Erronkari]

Impressive, 0% unassigned!!

https://i.postimg.cc/02zL4wtf/23andmeF.jpg (https://postimg.cc/JGW6DGCD)

[gixajo]

Angolan & Congolese. It seems to have stayed with the update, and 23andMe is fairly confident that I have traces of it (90%). I just don't have any idea where it may be on my family tree.

A negligible percentage in any case.

[EM78GREENSAVANNAH]

Ironic, coming from a Romanian halfie.

Lol that’s why I was last among the group that did get the update. But full Romanians gotta wait 3 extra days.

[Aren]

I am more Arab than you European, yes.;)

Wow you got me there :thumb001:

[gixajo]

I have a question: Is there possibility to upload FTDNA raw data on 23andme to get result?

As far as I know 23andMe no longer accepts raw data uploads from other companies.

[Ion Basescul]

Lol that’s why I was last among the group that did get the update. But full Romanians gotta wait 3 extra days.

They are really taking the piss tbh. Whenever v6 is going to come out, they will do the same to those tested on v5, that is have them to wait longer.

[Ion Basescul]

Here are my results updated! Apparently I get Greek as a high likely match? Could it be a proxy for Albanian maybe, since I know Zadar had a lot of Arbanasi and still does. No more Broadly European stuff and much less Eastern European! Good update overall, the only thing missing is my Italian ancestry, or maybe it's actually Italianized Albanian which was common in Zadar. I don't know anymore but I think this is the end to my genetical story. Also, to the ones that didn't get the update, you need to turn on your beta testing access which you can toggle on and off here : https://customercare.23andme.com/hc/en-us/articles/360013592713
My results : https://imgur.com/a/ybuO5Gj
I am Dalmatian, simple as that.

Can you share your previous version?

[RyoHazuki]

Of course not, but I'd say she is more Med-looking than even the majority of Catalans and Northern Italians.

Sorry if it sounded like I was posing an accusatory at you, not everyone gives detailed reasons for why they say such things and use pigment to explain everything.

[knez01]

Can you share your previous version?

Here you go my friend : https://imgur.com/a/vk87js2
And a song to lighten the mood! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kS5pRu5wWGw

[calxpal]

Wow, this update came out of nowhere.

My results look very, very good. Far and away the best of all my commercial tests:




Wow that is super accurate for you lol, very cool :D.

[calxpal]

Yeah, also I'm mainly excited bc supposedly they're gonna make lots of changes. The biggest one that they're gonna add regions too.

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Same :) although I'm still not going to have too high expectations for the My Heritage update.

[IrisSelene]

Same :) although I'm still not going to have too high expectations for the My Heritage update.Idk I quite like what myheritage has given me lol

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[Mopi The Dire Wolf]

https://i.imgur.com/alTyvDZ.jpg?1

[Kaspias]

I'll share what other Balkan Turks get with you, but almost all of them are still in older version. I can not compare my results with them now.

I think, this one looks suitable for Deniz's ancestry. He is more Northern shifted than us, and he is modeled 85% Bulgarian on G25 as far as I remember -or Gagauz-. He is also from Razgrad.

In contrast to him, we are more Southern and Turks in Thrace and Southern Bulgaria have different admixtures than Turks in Northern Bulgaria.

Yes, Erzincan could be related with Celali rebellions. I think Sivas appears because of Erzincan.

You can post these matches in the Balkan Turk thread whenever you want. I will be posting too.

[calxpal]

Idk I quite like what myheritage has given me lol

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Oh lol :) my MyHeritage results are actually semi-decent, but my parent's results are iffy xD.

[calxpal]

https://i.imgur.com/alTyvDZ.jpg?1

Quite surprising that you didn't get a region under Spanish & Portuguese.

[RyoHazuki]

https://i.imgur.com/alTyvDZ.jpg?1

It's absurd the recent ancestor locations don't work for you for being as much as half your ancestry. I see this happen for some people getting F&G with most all their recent ancestors being that group, yet many Anglo-Americans with very little if any actual German heritage will get a few regions :picard1:

[Mopi The Dire Wolf]

yes its weird that they haven't been able to give me regions for my Spanish ancestry

[RyoHazuki]

In future updates I'd like them to separate France, Switzerland, and Belgium from Germany and the Netherlands. The Netherlands I'm fairly certain isn't even closer to Northern French than they are to most British people.

I don't see why grouping them together is still standard practice.

[Dušan]

As far as I know 23andMe no longer accepts raw data uploads from other companies.

Thanks for reply.

[Figaro]

You guys are gettin' me all excited over this update now. Seems a bit hit or miss, depending on the individual.

Wonder how much longer us v4 peeps will need to wait. I'd imagine at least a couple of weeks. Meanwhile, I'll live vicariously through you guys :cool:

[ÁGUIA]

Cool stuff, it seems Iberian natives are getting now 100% or close to that Iberian. Well that I know already that I am. Phew ... It seems I spared some money.

[xripkan]

It's not consistent with your GEDMatch in terms of plotting also with similar peoples from your area and their 23andMe results, aka my mom and Dorian. You're way closer to me actually!

You seem more southern shifted than me since you still score some Italian and broadly South European but the West Asian part is indeed strange.

I also noticed that your mother scores no East Asian. I didn't expect that.

[Tauromachos]

What does she look like?

Blond and blue eyed or Melanouri?

[ksha]

https://i.ibb.co/CtfKZHq/screenshot-you-23-new-update-2o2o.png (https://ibb.co/H2jTsH0)

[RyoHazuki]

Cool stuff, it seems Iberian natives are getting now 100% or close to that Iberian. Well that I know already that I am. Phew ... It seems I spared some money.

These tests are mostly aimed at Mormons and all new worlders whose ancestors are all from the Americas to their knowledge.

[Lemgrant]

at 90% confidence level:

https://i.ibb.co/02DJVjk/90percent-confidence-level.png
https://i.ibb.co/RBJ9Wxh/Lemgrant11.png
at 50%
https://i.ibb.co/6ydPH7D/Lemgrant01.png
https://i.ibb.co/v4SyrLm/Lemgrant02.png
https://i.ibb.co/X89SwZK/Lemgrant03.png
https://i.ibb.co/hW2Mmb6/Lemgrant04.png

now they replaced Lithuania with Belarus and removed the Greek & Balkan

[Dorian]

I am modelled as Greek Mainlander + 1/16 West Asian at Eurogenes K13

I think I score a bit higher Iran Neolithic than other Greek Mainlanders in G25. There is a small eastern shift but I don't know why.
It is not consistent with my know ancestry indeed.

Could be something old like Mardaites?

[IrisSelene]

Oh lol :) my MyHeritage results are actually semi-decent, but my parent's results are iffy xD.Right... It seems to work fine for some and terrible for others

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[IrisSelene]

I honestly want an update focused on east europe and balkans.

I want them to try to break down them better bc theyre still too broad Imo.

And the regions shit isn't rlly reliable.

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[Rgvgjhvv]

You seem more southern shifted than me since you still score some Italian and broadly South European but the West Asian part is indeed strange.

I also noticed that your mother scores no East Asian. I didn't expect that.

Well, I would definitely be more southern shifted than you are based on my ancestry but it doesn't seem so obvious from the 23andMe updated results!

And yeah my mother's EA results were removed after the update!

[InfamousAngel99]

I'll be posting my updated version compared to my last version. The emboldened categories are new

British & Irish: was 33.4%, now 27.5%
French & German: was 20.7%, now 25.3%
Scandinavian: was 11.9%, now 14.4%
Broadly Northwestern European: was 19.9%, now 19.4%
Eastern European: was 8.2%, now 8.1%
Greek & Balkan: was 1.4%, now 2.4%
Sardinian: was 0%, now 0.5%
Spanish & Portuguese: was 0.4%, now 0%
Italian: was 0.2%, now 0%
Broadly Southern European: was 0.8%, now 0%
Broadly European:was 3%, now 1.9%
North African: was 0%, now 0.3%
Somali: was 0%, now 0.1%
Unassigned: was 0.1%, now 0.1%

[Slavic Italian]

I honestly want an update focused on east europe and balkans.

I want them to try to break down them better bc theyre still too broad Imo.

And the regions shit isn't rlly reliable.

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They have NEVER broken down my Eastern Europe regions at all and I can easily do it for them. Mogilev, Belarus, Kursk, Russia, Nizhny Novgorod, Russia. Those are my primary EE regions. Karelian, Russia is another. I've watched morons miss left and right on this until @Lukas finally nailed one of the regions recently on K36.

[IrisSelene]

They have NEVER broken down my Eastern Europe regions at all and I can easily do it for them. Mogilev, Belarus, Kursk, Russia, Nizhny Novgorod, Russia. Those are my primary EE regions. Karelian, Russia is another. I've watched morons miss left and right on this until @Lukas finally nailed one of the regions recently on K36.How tho?

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[War Chef]

When are they updating it for the v4/v3 older chips? I still haven't got updated.

[Slavic Italian]

How tho?

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What are you asking?

[Slavic Italian]

How tho?

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I can say this. For example they test your Haplogroup but not in detail. All they would have to do is do a little research and look at the Y tree for my haplogroup. You are going to have some autosomal DNA from those regions.

https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-YP1337/

[IrisSelene]

What are you asking?I mean the regions lol how do did you find them and how are you so sure

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[IrisSelene]

I can say this. For example they test your Haplogroup but not in detail. All they would have to do is do a little research and look at the Y tree for my haplogroup. You are going to have some autosomal DNA from those regions.

https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-YP1337/Sadly idk my dad's haplogroup

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[Slavic Italian]

I mean the regions lol how do did you find them and how are you so sure

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You match them via IBD with people from regions. They have had no issues matching other people to their regions on V5 chip.

[IrisSelene]

You match them via IBD with people from regions. They have had no issues matching other people to their regions on V5 chip.What's IBD?

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[Slavic Italian]

What's IBD?

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Davidski did mine a few years ago. You simply do like a one to one autosomal match like on Gedmatch. Here are my biggest matches. When you see double matches like this it's significant.

German_IL550_0192 11.722059
German_IL550_0204 11.670863

Russian_North_HGDP00888 8.385822
Russian_North_HGDP00886 8.24023

AAB_Anglo_Saxon_NO3423 19.48398
AAB_Sintashta_RISE395 16.164902
English_Kent_HG00158 14.367849
Polish_Polish16H 13.563032
English_Kent_HG00136 12.760677
Sicilian_East_EastSicilian3H 11.8423805
German_IL550_0192 11.722059
German_IL550_0204 11.670863
English_Cornwall_HG00265 11.529468
German_GS000016892 11.427855
AAB_Ireland_EBA_Rathlin1_RM127 11.362549
Utah_USA_NA12045 11.15444104
Norwegian_NOR119 11.037497
Ingrian_GS000016897 10.868328=Russia
Croatian_GS000015871 10.8453271
English_Kent_HG00159 10.731073
Finnish_GS000016895 10.5544599=Rakvere
AAB_Nordic_LN_RISE98 10.396912
Ukrainian_West_UkrLv228 10.393318
Orcadian_HG00107 10.355472
Ukrainian_North_Ukraine141 10.3141515
Serbian_Bosnia_Serbian_B-H11_GSM1424666 10.2239582
AAB_Unetice_RISE150 10.212964
Ukrainian_East_UkrBel614 10.036635
Utah_German_NA12057 9.913035
Belarusian_belorus7 9.815257
Vepsa_GS000016971 9.566861=Vepsskaya_National_Volost
Latvian_GS000035027 9.539401
Polish_Polish13H 9.479041
Bulgarian_Bulgarian15H 9.388864
German_IL550_0391 9.289345
French_HGDP00519 9.277828
German_IL550_0133 9.0737346
Finnish_GS000018756 9.02088
Russian_North_HGDP00880 8.931932
Montenegrin_Montenegro4_GSM1424637 8.880315
German_GS000016893 8.842881=Järvamaa
Saami_GS000035024 8.841275=Finnmark,Norway
Ukrainian_East_GS000035176 8.735819=Kharkov
Utah_Scandinavian_NA11829 8.668876
Ukrainian_East_GS000035121 8.6328089=Sumi
Slovenian_Slovenian321 8.4814716
Finnish_GS000016894 8.4297409=Tallin
Slovakian_Slovakia118 8.41347
Cossack_Kuban_GS000016186 8.407539
Russian_North_HGDP00888 8.385822
Russian_North_HGDP00886 8.24023
Utah_USA_NA12341 8.18311
English_Cornwall_HG00261 8.142136
German_IL550_0367 8.111112
English_Cornwall_HG00262 8.04419
Karelian_GS000016970 8.025878
Spanish_Cataluna_HG01536 7.919741
Orcadian_HGDP00802 7.902739
French_HGDP00534 7.7881298
Estonian_ee59 7.769276
Russian_North_HGDP00885 7.767556
English_Cornwall_HG00251 7.761856
Orcadian_HG00122 7.732638
Croatian_GSM1841120 7.7085598
Serbian_Serbian_Serbia6_GSM1424680 7.69554
Russian_North_HGDP00898 7.687647
Mordovian_GS000013698 7.684275=Erzya
Croatian_GSM1841121 7.661545
German_IL550_0433 7.629471
Russian_North_HGDP00899 7.589165
German_IL550_0445 7.582084
English_Kent_HG00129 7.492525
English_Cornwall_HG00250 7.483821
English_Cornwall_HG00245 7.436681
Hungarian_hungary8 7.383453
Irish_IRL006 7.377678
Montenegrin_Montenegro5_GSM1424638 7.363673
AAB_Mezhovskaya_RISE523 7.3609616
Bosnian_Bosnian_14_GSM1424655 7.3565848
Utah_USA_NA12383 7.256356
Slovenian_Slovenian299 7.224247
Ukrainian_West_UkrLv226 7.213755
Belarusian_GS000016104 7.199316=Zhytkavichy Homel
English_Kent_HG00126 7.161614
Norwegian_NOR111 7.151616
Russian_Northwest_evo_2 7.139177
Mozabite_HGDP01275 7.108555
Russian_North_GS000013756 7.08604982=Pinega
Ukrainian_North_Ukraine133 7.055681
Estonian_GS000017199 6.965786
Khanty_GS000016906 6.939065=Siberia
AAB_Nordic_IA_RISE174 6.89061
Serbian_Serbia_Serbia19_GSM1424665 6.866246
Estonian_ee1 6.770008
AAB_Ireland_EBA_Rathlin2_RSK1 6.760027
Spanish_Aragon_HG01676 6.716239
Lithuanian_lithuania7 6.693315
Irish_IRL001 6.681312
Russian_Central_GS000035242 6.671154
Serbian_Serbian_Serbia5_GSM1424679 6.659541
German_IL550_0461 6.620043
Spanish_Extremadura_HG01509 6.617981
Irish_IRL005 6.54784
Orcadian_HGDP00810 6.528422
Hungarian_hungary19 6.4651684
Belarusian_belorus8 6.463371
AAB_Andronovo_RISE500 6.429001
French_HGDP00511 6.413119
Hungarian_hungary9 6.35305
Bosnian_Bosnian_6_GSM1424662 6.351789
Finnish_HG00364 6.349876
Bosnian_Bosnian_12_GSM1424653 6.326796
Romanian_Romania16 6.3157799
Utah_USA_NA12264 6.314393
Mozabite_HGDP01279 6.29651
Polish_Polish7H 6.27854
Orcadian_HGDP00800 6.267154
Utah_German_NA07345 6.266461
Utah_Scandinavian_NA12347 6.225627
AAB_Karasuk_RISE496 6.192397
Polish_Polish11H 6.146041
Macedonian_Macedonian12_GSM1424614 6.110368
Belarusian_belorus4 6.1080659
English_Kent_HG00146 6.088209
Utah_British_NA12348 6.0595122
Saami_GS000035026 6.039583
Utah_USA_NA12234 6.02859

[xripkan]

Could be something old like Mardaites?

Yes, it could be from West Asian people who settled Mainland Greece during Middle-Ages. Maybe there is such kind of admixture in some parts of Mainland Greece until nowadays.
The other possibility is an Anatolian or islander ancestor that goes back 4-5 generations but chances are small based on my known ancestry.

[happycow]

I don't like my updated results lol.

[Slavic Italian]

What's IBD?

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They could even match me with Sumi or Kharkov, Ukraine and they would still be correct. Probably even a few places in Eastern Poland.

[Dorian]

Yes, it could be from West Asian people who settled Mainland Greece during Middle-Ages. Maybe there is such kind of admixture in some parts of Mainland Greece until nowadays.
The other possibility is an Anatolian or islander ancestor that goes back 4-5 generations but chances are small based on my known ancestry.

Yes there are many possibilities although for someone with Laconian ancestry it must be a common thing and not that off ,most of my Laconian/Maniot matches score West Asian.

[Rgvgjhvv]

https://i.ibb.co/CtfKZHq/screenshot-you-23-new-update-2o2o.png (https://ibb.co/H2jTsH0)

Interesting. I saw that on Eurogenes K13 you receive 2.69% South_Asian. In comparison, I receive 2.02%.

However, while you receive 0.67% higher SA than me on GEDMatch, you receive 1.5% higher than I do on 23andMe.

I wonder why! I suppose the question is should I have more on 23andMe or should you have less. I also receive 2% "Central Asia-South" (Primarily located in: Afghanistan, Pakistan) on AncestryDNA for whatever it's worth.

[War Chef]

They could even match me with Sumi or Kharkov, Ukraine and they would still be correct. Probably even a few places in Eastern Poland.

I am 1/4 Kharkov Ukrainian and 23andme doesn't even give me any specific regions

[Nelju]

https://i.ibb.co/wz42XTB/20201022-134854.jpg (https://ibb.co/yQqx1Dd)
https://i.ibb.co/vvff0LJ/20201022-124331.jpg (https://ibb.co/7NBBsrG)
https://i.ibb.co/RYTcfNP/20201022-124435.jpg (https://ibb.co/pbjdcQZ)
https://i.ibb.co/yYMKZrt/20201022-124524.jpg (https://ibb.co/TbnJ7s6)
https://i.ibb.co/f4nNJRH/20201022-124619.jpg (https://ibb.co/nzn1p2j)

[Slavic Italian]

I am 1/4 Kharkov Ukrainian and 23andme doesn't even give me any specific regions

Thanks for sharing. My bet is they do not have these samples to match us with.

[happycow]

I'm .6% wadaad now :(

https://i.imgur.com/Hk5bq6S.jpg

[Rgvgjhvv]

I'm .6% wadaad now :(


Too many of us got Sudanese. Must be some sort of glitch.

[Alenka]

Can you still access the previous results once you get the updated ones, to compare between the two?

[Celestia]

Can you still access the previous results once you get the updated ones, to compare between the two?

Yes there is an option to see previous results

[Luke35]

Can you still access the previous results once you get the updated ones, to compare between the two?

Yup, you can

[Skeleton]

Overall I think it’s way better than Ancestry. However my grandfather got his results updated and it looks highly inaccurate. Here’s his old results: 103099

Here are his new results: 103100

He has no known Iberian ancestry and from what I can tell, he’s half French (from Quebec) and half British & Irish. I don’t know any reasons he comes out like this.

I think it’s better to stick to paper trails, at least for me.

[Slavic Italian]

I'm .6% wadaad now :(

https://i.imgur.com/Hk5bq6S.jpg

BLM.

[Celestia]

Overall I think it’s way better than Ancestry. However my grandfather got his results updated and it looks highly inaccurate. Here’s his old results: 103099

Here are his new results: 103100

He has no known Iberian ancestry and from what I can tell, he’s half French (from Quebec) and half British & Irish. I don’t know any reasons he comes out like this.

I think it’s better to stick to paper trails, at least for me.


I think Southern French regions get mixed in with Iberian on these tests. Do you know which region from France they originated from?

[RyoHazuki]

Overall I think it’s way better than Ancestry. However my grandfather got his results updated and it looks highly inaccurate. Here’s his old results: 103099

Here are his new results: 103100

He has no known Iberian ancestry and from what I can tell, he’s half French (from Quebec) and half British & Irish. I don’t know any reasons he comes out like this.

I think it’s better to stick to paper trails, at least for me.

Can't see your attachments

[RyoHazuki]

I think Southern French regions get mixed in with Iberian on these tests. Do you know which region from France they originated from?

They do, and I've seen people who are fully Southern French get 10-20% Iberian (or Italian in the SE) with 23andme

[Gründig]

My French and German category keeps going up and the areas of Germany are now my best location matches (Baden-Württemberg, north rhine-westphalia and Lower Saxony). I also apparently became a little Spanish.

https://i.imgur.com/YlLJJDr.jpg

[EM78GREENSAVANNAH]

They are really taking the piss tbh. Whenever v6 is going to come out, they will do the same to those tested on v5, that is have them to wait longer.

And V6 will include half the snps of v5. For the sake of “efficiency.”

[RyoHazuki]

My French and German category keeps going up and the areas of Germany are now my best location matches (Baden-Württemberg, north rhine-westphalia and Lower Saxony). I also apparently became a little Spanish.

https://i.imgur.com/YlLJJDr.jpg

Lol, you got the same closest F&G recent ancestor locations as me. They are not worth taking seriously, only be pleased if they're actually correct.

[rothaer]

GREAT update. By far the most accurate it has ever been for me. I'll put detail on my own 23andme thread, but for now, here's my new results:

https://i.imgur.com/yt9phDZ.png
https://i.imgur.com/H9ODSwk.png

There´s no EE at all. I know there is a number of 100% scoring AJ around, but nevertheless: Where is your AJ from?

[rothaer]

If you are on v4 or older like me then no beta is going to update your results for now. They sent a message that for now only v5 get the update.

This is really sad. I administrate both V4 and V5 data. Because this update basically dissolves "broadly European" and that makes some 10%, the results are no longer comparable!

[gixajo]

My French and German category keeps going up and the areas of Germany are now my best location matches (Baden-Württemberg, north rhine-westphalia and Lower Saxony). I also apparently became a little Spanish.

https://i.imgur.com/YlLJJDr.jpg

I did the sum without calculator and maybe I am wrong, but the total seems to be 99.3.%.

Could we know what is that missing 0.7% if I did well the sum?

[TheMaestro]

https://i.imgur.com/p81PGoQ.png

Cypriot bitch

[TheMaestro]

I think these are improved results since they correctly identified Brasov as my top region in Romania which is consistent with my known ancestry.

https://i.imgur.com/rHGFzPT.jpg

Damn you BI-ETHNIC kids get well balanced results only I get one sided one XD

[Skeleton]

I think Southern French regions get mixed in with Iberian on these tests. Do you know which region from France they originated from?

Most settlers of New France came from northern and central France. Not really southern or eastern France although a few did come over. On my particular lines it seems the largest regions are Normandy, Paris, and Poitou-Charentes.

[Skeleton]

Can't see your attachments

Sorry about that. Here they are:

103103103104

[Jana]

I made a thread about Stears updated results:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?334975-Stears-updated-23andme!

Mine did not update yet.

[axel.aleman]

Al fin mejoro 23 and Me

https://images2.imagebam.com/a6/b9/ee/97ef091357052934.PNG

https://images2.imagebam.com/a2/75/0f/5d28861357052944.PNG

https://images2.imagebam.com/3f/d1/22/6855bb1357052945.PNG

[Celestia]

Most settlers of New France came from northern and central France. Not really southern or eastern France although a few did come over. On my particular lines it seems the largest regions are Normandy, Paris, and Poitou-Charentes.

That is similar to mine.
Prior to this update 23andme had given me 3% Southern European.. it’s pretty much gone now with this update.

[RyoHazuki]

Sorry about that. Here they are:

103103103104

Nice. I think they did go backwards on your grandfather. They correctly identified what looks like SW French ancestry as French at first but then mistook it as Iberian in the update.

[Slavic Italian]

That is similar to mine.
Prior to this update 23andme had given me 3% Southern European.. it’s pretty gone now with this update.

You are no longer an Italian dude.

[RyoHazuki]

Most settlers of New France came from northern and central France. Not really southern or eastern France although a few did come over. On my particular lines it seems the largest regions are Normandy, Paris, and Poitou-Charentes.

French genetic divergence goes along the Loire, and Poitou-Charentes is one of the genetically southern shifted French regions.

[Soraka]

https://i.imgur.com/drnhloS.png

On the left v5.2 and on the left v5.9. Dutch/Indonesian mother and an unknown father. Originally I suspected him to be just Italian, but my Greek&Balkan is pretty inflated compared to other half or full Italians I have seen. Lots of my (distant) relatives mention a connection to the Albanian minority in Italy and have a large greek&balkan component too (anywhere from 15% to 50%)

Does anyone have example of those results?

[ShieldWolf]

Did you get a recent update from 23&Me? They haven't updated my results since this time last year.

[Rædwald]

https://i.postimg.cc/dttjKrbf/23andmev5-9.png

Still no regions for France/Germany. Kind of disappointing.

[xripkan]

https://i.imgur.com/drnhloS.png

On the left v5.2 and on the left v5.9. Dutch/Indonesian mother and an unknown father. Originally I suspected him to be just Italian, but my Greek&Balkan is pretty inflated compared to other half or full Italians I have seen. Lots of my (distant) relatives mention a connection to the Albanian minority in Italy and have a large greek&balkan component too (anywhere from 15% to 50%)

Does anyone have example of those results?

Probably Italian Arbreshe

[Celestia]

You are no longer an Italian dude.

Too bad. Italian men are sexy

[Figaro]

https://i.postimg.cc/dttjKrbf/23andmev5-9.png

Still no regions for France/Germany. Kind of disappointing.

That’s kind of a lot of NA...!

[Longbowman]

There´s no EE at all. I know there is a number of 100% scoring AJ around, but nevertheless: Where is your AJ from?

Why should there be? I'm [mostly] Ashkenazi, not Eastern European.

My dad is pure Ashkenazi. He currently scores 99.9% Ashkenazi (0.1% SSA) and he used to score 100% Ashkenazi. His entire family is from Galicia (ie, the Carpathians); today's NW Ukraine and S and E Poland.

My mum is part Ashkenazi and she has ancestry from central Poland, Silesia, Odessa, and Saxony.

[Longbowman]

Random TA member: is half Ukrainian/German/Russian, born and raised in region.

No regions.

Me: is 1/8 Sephardic, no family in Spain since 17th century, not even ethnically Spanish realistically because it will be mixed with Jewish blood.

'Here are the 8 regions your family comes from in Spain.'

Just gotta be a (((valued customer))) lads.

[Rædwald]

That’s kind of a lot of NA...!

Yeah, Ancestry gives me 2%. Most other calculators give around that amount as well.

The closest full Amerindian ancestor I've found was born around 1750.

[dududud]

French genetic divergence goes along the Loire, and Poitou-Charentes is one of the genetically southern shifted French regions.

Not really. Loire and Poitou are in the central cluster, but they are close to my father, genetically speaking.

But you have french basque in the Quebec.

[RyoHazuki]

Not really. Loire and Poitou are in the central cluster, but they are close to my father, genetically speaking.

But you have french basque in the Quebec.

What do you make of this?
https://media.springernature.com/m685/springer-static/image/art%3A10.1038%2Fs41431-020-0584-1/MediaObjects/41431_2020_584_Fig1_HTML.png

[dududud]

Half french, half hungarian
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/937x937q90/924/G1S2uG.jpg

[someonenotyou]

Before:
https://i.imgur.com/mhHttbW.png


After:
https://i.imgur.com/PUMCcdC.png

Caucuses and Iranic keeps coming up in G25 as well, which makes me wonder where it comes from.

[dududud]

What do you make of this?
https://media.springernature.com/m685/springer-static/image/art%3A10.1038%2Fs41431-020-0584-1/MediaObjects/41431_2020_584_Fig1_HTML.png

It is precisely a map that demonstrates the great majority homogeneity of France.

Many of the central area has a NW part ... even the Poitou charente area.

When in the South-West of France, there are areas that have a large Central-like part, more than Basque-like.

In truth, only one area of ​​southwestern France is Basque-like, but we can also see a "central" part, the area above the most "basque-like" area has a red part (basque like) but also dark blue (North-Western) ...

Basically, it's much more complex than "the south of france is spain and the north of france is england, and the central france is just between both", in reality it is not that at all.

The term "southern shifted" doesn't really have an explicit definition. You have to use much more explicit terms: the poitou charante on the map has an area with a dark yellow (SO), light yellow (Central like) and dark red part (south west, typical Basque), but other areas of the poitou-charente have more light yellow part mixed with dark blue (northwestern).

In reality, if we put aside the pure Basques and the Bretons of the West (and not of the East, who are closer to the French), there are some genetic little barriers on the map, we can see, but which are not insurmountable, so that my father would be closer to a guy from Burgundy or Poitou-Charente than to an Englishman or a Dutchman.

What is especially important is the dark blue (north-western) and light yellow contribution, a little dark yellow in some areas (but never completely)...

In the end, if we were to compare with what we call "Italy" (which is a recent creation) France is much more homogeneous even with the genetic mini-barriers (if we put aside part of Brittany and the pure Basques); we can really speak of "French people" in genetic terms, even including nuances. While we cannot speak of "Italian people" (a type of Veneto is closer to another individual of Lombardy or Friuli than a type of Naple or Company or even Abruzzo).

The French, for the most part, are closer to each other than to other populations (if we put aside, once again, the West Bretons and the pure Basques), genetically speaking.

[ksha]

Interesting. I saw that on Eurogenes K13 you receive 2.69% South_Asian. In comparison, I receive 2.02%.

However, while you receive 0.67% higher SA than me on GEDMatch, you receive 1.5% higher than I do on 23andMe.

I wonder why! I suppose the question is should I have more on 23andMe or should you have less. I also receive 2% "Central Asia-South" (Primarily located in: Afghanistan, Pakistan) on AncestryDNA for whatever it's worth.


I don't know..it's gedmatch..maybe the raw data..?my gedmatch is with myheritage raw data uploaded

[rothaer]

Why should there be? I'm [mostly] Ashkenazi, not Eastern European.

My dad is pure Ashkenazi. He currently scores 99.9% Ashkenazi (0.1% SSA) and he used to score 100% Ashkenazi. His entire family is from Galicia (ie, the Carpathians); today's NW Ukraine and S and E Poland.

My mum is part Ashkenazi and she has ancestry from central Poland, Silesia, Odessa, and Saxony.

Ok, thanks.

The background of my question was I heard eastern Ashkenazis are often somewhat mixed with Eastern European (up to 10%) while such from Germany are not and more "pure". I guess 23andMe works with sequences when indentifying AJ heritage and that mentioned admixture is part of AJ. The differences I talked about would probably just show up, if you could "switch off" the AJ component and look what different full AJ people do score. At some then EE would show up and at some not. It´s absolutely interesting to have AJ component, no doubt, but actually AJ component somwhat covers what´s behind in more general terms.

[Kaspias]

@Bosniensis's results

https://i.ibb.co/kysZhpr/greek.png

He also sent this:


https://youtu.be/yOL-EJZjmp0

[Dunai]

After:
https://i.imgur.com/PUMCcdC.png

Caucuses and Iranic keeps coming up in G25 as well, which makes me wonder where it comes from.

This doesn't give me much hopes for my own update, since you are still getting massive amount of broadly. I think by now Hungarians are the only Europeans that 23andMe are struggling to categorize their broadly percentages.