The most chinky language of Europe?

[Rethel]

:wink

I chose the biggest languages, as most representative.
Beneath examples of them.

Turkish


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCqosBdeixg


Hungarian


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmox9ovf8BM


Finnish


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nrUvYS_unaE&feature=emb_title


Tatar from Kazań


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLYzF_CoQEs


Estonian


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igdOKk-07Js


Chuvash


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OV_KSDUJq4


Mordvinic-Erzya


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_JWNpmBrdE

[Dr_Maul]

Definitely Turkic ones first. Uralic is only semi chink imo

[Hektor12]

Definitely Turkic ones first. Uralic is only semi chink imo

turkic languages have nothing to do with chink bro..

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c2/Linguistic_map_of_the_Altaic%2C_Turkic_and_Uralic_ languages_%28en%29.png/1280px-Linguistic_map_of_the_Altaic%2C_Turkic_and_Uralic_ languages_%28en%29.png

[Renekton]

Finish

[Dr_Maul]

turkic languages have nothing to do with chink bro..

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c2/Linguistic_map_of_the_Altaic%2C_Turkic_and_Uralic_ languages_%28en%29.png/1280px-Linguistic_map_of_the_Altaic%2C_Turkic_and_Uralic_ languages_%28en%29.png

They are more Asiatic (chink) than Uralic languages

[Rethel]

Uralic is only semi chink imo

Why semi?

[Mortimer]

Finngolian, just ask FinnishSwede

[Edgü]

Erdogan speaks the Istanbul dialect btw thats not how village folk and some other people speaks even i cant understand the villagers sometimes

[Rethel]

Erdogan speaks the Istanbul dialect btw thats not how village folk and some other people speaks even i cant understand the villagers sometimes

Give an example - the best most asiaticly sounding :laugh:

[TheMaestro]

Finngolian, just ask FinnishSwede

Mortimer on trollspam these days, I like it.

[Edgü]

Give an example - the best most asiaticly sounding :laugh:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NYgoCYHhkFQ&feature=youtu.be

sorry i couldnt find a person who speaks the dialect of my languages which sounds overly asian but this music is a bit asiatic

[Jana]

I am suprised how similar Finnish sounds to Hungarian. You can definitely hear both are Uralic languages, despite they separated extremely long time ago.
To me Finnish sound like Hungarian (pitch, intonation, accent) with completely foreign vocabulary.

[Rethel]

You can definitely hear both are Uralic languages

And clear asian sounding, intonation and vibe.
This is the main reason, why I do not, and I cannot belive in original connection between IE and UF.
It just doesn't make any sense from what I hear and what I know from history, anthropology and now also from genetics.
But the sounding of the language is enaugh to judge properly the theory. The sound just cries into ears: faaaalse. :)

[1R0N M4N XL]

LOL

[Scandal]

What about hungarian language is chinky? Majority of finno-ugric speakers live in Europe, unlike speakers of Indo-European languages.

[Dark Snyper Lord 666]

turkey isnt europe

tatar, chuvash, mordvinic ? theyre outside the realm of european russia as far as i can tell?


i have no interest in saying a european language is as you have referred to it in the poll. all european languages are great.

end

[PaleoEuropean]

turkey isnt europe

tatar, chuvash, mordvinic ? theyre outside the realm of european russia as far as i can tell?


i have no interest in saying a european language is as you have referred to it in the poll. all european languages are great.

end

I agree, although Turkey does have land in Europe

[Benyzero]

If you say hungarian Im gonna fight u, just for the ordinary

[Chryssie Khanate]

Turkish is more Koreanic/Mongolic than anything related to East/Southeast Asia.


Turkish for example is one of the most agglutinative languages to exist... along with Uralic ones like Finnish and Hungarian.

Example of Turkish being synthetic/Agglutinative, aka having tons of morphemes/meanings included in a single word:
https://www.languagetrainers.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/turkish.png

Chinese is Analytic, on the other hand. It is the closest to being Isolating, aka having one morpheme/meaning per word used:
https://image.slidesharecdn.com/morphologicaltypology-170423203651/95/morphological-typology-23-638.jpg?cb=1492979847

Considering Chink is usually related to China rather than other Asian countries, I don't think any of these can count as being Chink languages.

[Cristiano viejo]

Most of these languages not even are OF EUROPE...

[Rethel]

Turkish for example is one of the most agglutinative languages to exist... along with Uralic ones like Finnish and Hungarian.
Chinese is Analytic, on the other hand. It is the closest to being Isolating, aka having one morpheme/meaning per word used

The main and biggest difference between analithic and aglutinative language is... this long button beneath your keyboard. :wink

[pajkosbalna]

I am suprised how similar Finnish sounds to Hungarian. You can definitely hear both are Uralic languages, despite they separated extremely long time ago.
To me Finnish sound like Hungarian (pitch, intonation, accent) with completely foreign vocabulary.

Yes i feel sth like that also. Hungarian sound but with not understandable words.

[Rethel]

Hungarian sound but with not understandable words.

So it indirectly proves, that the nature of the language can be conservate longer than someone thinks.

Btw, hearing people who are speaking finnish, hungarian and turkish, I have also the same feeling as I have when white person speaks japanese or chinese. It just sounds so far oriental asiaticly, that it can't be ignore, even if I would want to not notice that.

On the other hand, languages like dagestani, kartvelian or basque do not sound's like that, so there has to be something deeper in language, what sounds still asiatically, after so many centuries around IE languages.

Estonian on the other hand, seems to sound less asiatic, so probably is more IE influenced than others.
Mordvinic speakers, and partially chuvash, use strong russian pronounciation, but the asiatic vibe can be still detected.

[pajkosbalna]

So it indirectly proves, that the nature of the language can be conservate longer than someone thinks.

Btw, hearing people who are speaking finnish, hungarian and turkish, I have also the same feeling as I have when white person speaks japanese or chinese. It just sounds so far oriental asiaticly, that it can't be ignore, even if I would want to not notice that.

On the other hand, languages like dagestani, kartvelian or basque do not sound's like that, so there has to be something deeper in language, what sounds still asiatically, after so many centuries around IE languages.

Estonian on the other hand, seems to sound less asiatic, so probably is more IE influenced than others.
Mordvinic speakers, and partially chuvash, use strong russian pronounciation, but the asiatic vibe can be still detected.

Hm but despite finnish is similar to hungarian, i dont feel like that with other asiatic languages. Maybe from outside they sound the same but as speaking one of it, i cant feel that, just with finnish.

[Scandal]

So it indirectly proves, that the nature of the language can be conservate longer than someone thinks.

Btw, hearing people who are speaking finnish, hungarian and turkish, I have also the same feeling as I have when white person speaks japanese or chinese. It just sounds so far oriental asiaticly, that it can't be ignore, even if I would want to not notice that.

On the other hand, languages like dagestani, kartvelian or basque do not sound's like that, so there has to be something deeper in language, what sounds still asiatically, after so many centuries around IE languages.

Estonian on the other hand, seems to sound less asiatic, so probably is more IE influenced than others.
Mordvinic speakers, and partially chuvash, use strong russian pronounciation, but the asiatic vibe can be still detected.

Majority of finno-ugric speakers (like 90%) live in Europe. MAjority of indo-european speakers live in Asia, also in Latin America, spoken by brown people.... So I think hungarian language is not less European than Indo-european languages.

[Scandal]

Avarage finno-ugric speaker is whiter looking than avarage indo-european speaker:
https://imgur.com/a/LH82D87
India alone has more IE speakers than Europe (Russia included). Not to mention latin americans, persians tajiks etc....

[Roy]

Chuvash.

[EM78GREENSAVANNAH]

How is Turkish european?

[rero]

Hm but despite finnish is similar to hungarian, i dont feel like that with other asiatic languages. Maybe from outside they sound the same but as speaking one of it, i cant feel that, just with finnish.

I read that Hungarian is most similar to Khanty-Mansi which would be ugric. I can't assess however if this is really true.

[rero]

Avarage finno-ugric speaker is whiter looking than avarage indo-european speaker:
https://imgur.com/a/LH82D87
India alone has more IE speakers than Europe (Russia included). Not to mention latin americans, persians tajiks etc....

Maybe but language is such a weak indicator for ethnicity. You know that very well. It's crazy to even think about IE speakers as some kind of a "group". If they're darker on average, it means nothing. IE speakers cluster as far away from each other as is only possible in a genetic chart and live in different latitudes all over the world.

[PAGANE]

[QUOTE = Dark Snyper Lord 666; 6959563] пуйка не е ли европа

татарска, чувашка, мордвински? те са извън сферата на европейската Русия, доколкото мога да разбера?


нямам интерес да твърдя, че европейският език е такъв, какъвто го споменахте в анкетата. всички европейски езици са страхотни.

край [/ QUOTE]

All these subjects of the Russian Federation are in its European part Republic of Bashkortostan, Republic of Tatarstan, Chuvash Republic, Udmurt Republic, Republic of Mari El, Republic of Mordovia, Republic of Adygea, Republic of Dagestan, Republic of Ingushetia, Kabardino-Balkar Republic, Karachay-Cherkess Republic, Republic of North Ossetia - Alania, Chechen Republic

[Rethel]

Find a difference between people and speech. I don't see any.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzCabuLUEHU

[Blondie]

So it indirectly proves, that the nature of the language can be conservate longer than someone thinks.

Btw, hearing people who are speaking finnish, hungarian and turkish, I have also the same feeling as I have when white person speaks japanese or chinese. It just sounds so far oriental asiaticly, that it can't be ignore, even if I would want to not notice that.

On the other hand, languages like dagestani, kartvelian or basque do not sound's like that, so there has to be something deeper in language, what sounds still asiatically, after so many centuries around IE languages.

Estonian on the other hand, seems to sound less asiatic, so probably is more IE influenced than others.
Mordvinic speakers, and partially chuvash, use strong russian pronounciation, but the asiatic vibe can be still detected.

The hungarian language is the most indo-europeanized uralic language by far, 40% of hungarian vocabulary has IE origin:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_language#Vocabulary
Do you know what's is the most understandable foreign language for a native hungarian speaker who don't even speak foreign languages? Not the mansy/khanty, not the finnish and not turkish but the slovak language followed by german. You can recognise many word without any knowledge.

[Dark Snyper Lord 666]

Turkish is more Koreanic/Mongolic than anything related to East/Southeast Asia.


Turkish for example is one of the most agglutinative languages to exist... along with Uralic ones like Finnish and Hungarian.

Example of Turkish being synthetic/Agglutinative, aka having tons of morphemes/meanings included in a single word:
https://www.languagetrainers.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/turkish.png

Chinese is Analytic, on the other hand. It is the closest to being Isolating, aka having one morpheme/meaning per word used:
https://image.slidesharecdn.com/morphologicaltypology-170423203651/95/morphological-typology-23-638.jpg?cb=1492979847

Considering Chink is usually related to China rather than other Asian countries, I don't think any of these can count as being Chink languages.

whether its agglutinative or not, turkish does not sound korean, it sounds like urdu or something. just checked it on youtube, and am a korean speaker myself.

[Scandal]

Maybe but language is such a weak indicator for ethnicity. You know that very well. It's crazy to even think about IE speakers as some kind of a "group". If they're darker on average, it means nothing. IE speakers cluster as far away from each other as is only possible in a genetic chart and live in different latitudes all over the world.

Avarage finno-ugric speaker is whiter/more european looking than avarage IE speaker. That's a fact and you do what you want with it.
Rethel was the one to start linking whiteness to language and I was replying to him. So maybe you should discuss this with him not with me.

[Dark Snyper Lord 666]

[QUOTE = Dark Snyper Lord 666; 6959563] пуйка не е ли европа

татарска, чувашка, мордвински? те са извън сферата на европейската Русия, доколкото мога да разбера?


нямам интерес да твърдя, че европейският език е такъв, какъвто го споменахте в анкетата. всички европейски езици са страхотни.

край [/ QUOTE]

All these subjects of the Russian Federation are in its European part Republic of Bashkortostan, Republic of Tatarstan, Chuvash Republic, Udmurt Republic, Republic of Mari El, Republic of Mordovia, Republic of Adygea, Republic of Dagestan, Republic of Ingushetia, Kabardino-Balkar Republic, Karachay-Cherkess Republic, Republic of North Ossetia - Alania, Chechen Republic

yup, i looked at some pics and they look european, but sorry to say lol i tend to draw lines more strictly than others re: the border of europe. just not my area of expertise i guess to classify them

[Scandal]

Find a difference between people and speech. I don't see any.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzCabuLUEHU

The consensus of mainstream linguists is that Finnish is not related to Japanese.

[Ford]

All Turkic languages in Europe, they remind me a lot of Mongolian. Hungarian, Finnish and Estonian definitely do not sound "chinky" to me. The (north) eastern Uralic languages remind me of native american languages for some reason.

[rero]

Avarage finno-ugric speaker is whiter/more european looking than avarage IE speaker. That's a fact and you do what you want with it.
Rethel was the one to start linking whiteness to language and I was replying to him. So maybe you should discuss this with him not with me.

Most useless fact I've ever seen in my life, averaging ethnically not related people that are linked only by distant linguistic relationship. Because what conclusions can you draw from it about the REAL populations that contribute to the average? Just one please? I can't stand this fake criterion which is language to draw any conclusions about the people speaking it. FAKE FAKE FAKE. Will never convince me and is for people who are satisfied with simplified worldviews. It doesn't tell me how white someone will be or how related to speakers of the same language group. I'm stating the obvious here.

If rethel started this disussion, that was not very clever of him either.

[El_Abominacion]

Welsh

[Rethel]

The hungarian language is the most indo-europeanized uralic language by far, 40% of hungarian vocabulary has IE origin:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_language#Vocabulary
Do you know what's is the most understandable foreign language for a native hungarian speaker who don't even speak foreign languages? Not the mansy/khanty, not the finnish and not turkish but the slovak language followed by german. You can recognise many word without any knowledge.

Possible.
But the souding is still noticeably different.

So, to make it easier, Hungarians should absorbed just slovak.
It would have a lot much more sense, as Ugrofinians are just a tiny, tiny element of whole population.

[Rethel]

Find a difference between people and speech. I don't see any.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzCabuLUEHU

It was Finchurian.
Now we have Hungolian.
And also try to find a difference.
As for me, both factors fit perfectly.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A7jyOF-nO8Q

[Östsvensk]

I am suprised how similar Finnish sounds to Hungarian. You can definitely hear both are Uralic languages, despite they separated extremely long time ago.
To me Finnish sound like Hungarian (pitch, intonation, accent) with completely foreign vocabulary.

Finnish is considered by some to resemble Icelandic in intonation. Furthermore, Finland-Swedish dialects are often thought of by mainland Swedish-speakers to sound like Swedish spoken with a Finnish accent. As far as I know, linguists consider Finland-Swedish closer to the Old Nordic language than mainland Swedish dialects that are much more influenced by German.

[Teutone]

I cant vote for Turkey cause it has nothing to do with Europe.

[Rethel]

I cant vote for Turkey cause it has nothing to do with Europe.

So vote for others, f.e. hungolian or finchurian :)

https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/877/561/c7c.png

[Edgü]

I cant vote for Turkey cause it has nothing to do with Europe.

:picard1:

[Fedora]

Turkish doesn't sound like Chinese if you mean by chinky.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rEJb7j61-es


But it can sound like Japanese..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BL_E5CcVkwU

[Ülev]

I cant vote for Turkey cause it has nothing to do with Europe.

oops, I voted Turkey

[Edgü]

Turkish doesn't sound like Chinese if you mean by chinky.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rEJb7j61-es

Thats not a good example she uses a lot of foreign words

[Rethel]

Turkish doesn't sound like Chinese if you mean by chinky.

Chinky means not only chinese, but all yellow people, languages and cultures.

[Ülev]

Chinky means not only chinese, but all yellow people, languages and cultures.

:scratch:


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[Rethel]

But it can sound like Japanese..

This is better:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szUvraFDA-c

[Fedora]

Thats not a good example she uses a lot of foreign words

Doesn't matter the tonation and accent is pretty much turkish.

[Edgü]

Doesn't matter the tonation and accent is pretty much turkish.

It does matter if someone uses a lot of arabic words and people wouldnt assume he or she speaks arabic her tonation represents all of turkey you say ?

[Kyp]

I cant vote for Turkey cause it has nothing to do with Europe.

Agree although I think Turks living in Southeastern Europe have something to do with it.

[Edgü]

Agree although I think Turks living in Southeastern Europe have something to do with it.

There is not an option for "Turkey" there is an option for which is a language "Turkish" which you can vote because there are people living in Europe that speaks Turkish

[Dunai]

Finnish is considered by some to resemble Icelandic in intonation. Furthermore, Finland-Swedish dialects are often thought of by mainland Swedish-speakers to sound like Swedish spoken with a Finnish accent. As far as I know, linguists consider Finland-Swedish closer to the Old Nordic language than mainland Swedish dialects that are much more influenced by German.

Intonation of a language comes from close contact with neighboring languages, even when being from very different language family. So yes, Finnish does sound like Scandinavian languages sound like in intonation, the same way Romanian sounds like Balkan Slavic languages in intonation, Turkish like Arabic or Latvian kinda like Russian.

[Ryujin]

Hungarian sounds Turkish that I can't comprehend somehow

[Hektor12]

Please remove that retarded video.

This is proper Turkish.


https://youtu.be/VjIAV-4yf9I

[Roy]

:scratch:

Would those blonde Swedish mofos pass in Posen as locals? I think they could easily pose as such :D.

[Harkonnen]

Tianyuan Man

Tianyuan man (simplified Chinese: 田园洞人; traditional Chinese: 田園洞人; pinyin: Tiányuándòng Rén) are the remains of one of the earliest modern humans to inhabit East Asia. In 2007, researchers found 34 bone fragments belonging to a single individual at the Tianyuan Cave near Beijing, China.[1] Radiocarbon dating shows the bones to be between 42,000 and 39,000 years old, which may be slightly younger than the only other finds of bones of a similar age at the Niah Caves in Sarawak on Borneo.

Isotope analysis suggests that a substantial part of the diet of these individuals came from freshwater fish.[2]

Tianyuan man is considered an early modern human. It lacks several mandibular features common among western Eurasian late archaic humans, showing its divergence. Based on the rate of dental occlusal attrition, it is estimated he died in his 40s or 50s.[3]

DNA tests published in 2013 revealed that Tianyuan man is related "to many present-day Asians and Native Americans".[4][5][6][7][8] He had also clearly diverged genetically from the ancestors of modern Europeans.[5] He belonged to mitochondrial DNA haplogroup B.

His Y haplogroup was K2b.

THE PROTO RETHELITES WERE CHINESE