Polish Y-DNA by Voivodeship (2.700 samples)

[Ion Basescul]

https://www.frontiersin.org/files/Articles/567309/fgene-11-567309-HTML/image_m/fgene-11-567309-t001.jpg

https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fgene.2020.567309/full

Note the boost in E in the South and boost in I (presumably Germanic I1) in the West.

[EM78GREENSAVANNAH]

West Pomerania has almost as much E as the southern parts so I don’t see a linear increase in E as you move south.

[Leto]

A true R1a land :thumb001:
I think Poland may be even more R1a than Belarus (by a narrow margin).

[Satem]

Very high N for Podlaskie, probably many were from Suwałki area(close to Lithuania)

[Luke35]

Very high N for Podlaskie, probably many were from Suwałki area(close to Lithuania)

Here is the heatmap for my Subclade of N, which seems have entered the region long, long ago. It dips into NE Hungary, where my paternal line comes from. Still, as you can see it is very heavily associated with Poland and Western Ukraine, not really the Baltic region. Anything under the N-Y6075 subclade (which includes me) is sort of a "Slavic" branch of N.

https://i.imgur.com/n4SyzxI.png

[Ülev]

Lubuskie (Lubusz) is full of I y-dna, I bet mostly I2a1 from Ukraine

[Ion Basescul]

Very high N for Podlaskie, probably many were from Suwałki area(close to Lithuania)

That's a good point, which I somehow missed. They are a clear outlier.

[Rethel]

boost in I (presumably Germanic I1) in the West.

It cannot be further away from the truth.
Why "I" from germanic lands would be among people from Ukraine,
in addition in much higher proportion than among Germans? Why?
It doesn;t make any sense at all. Like Ülev said...

[Ion Basescul]

It cannot be further away from the truth.
Why "I" from germanic lands would be among people from Ukraine,
in addition in much higher proportion than among Germans? Why?
It doesn;t make any sense at all. Like Ülev said...

I is at 23 and 25% in Lubuz and Lower Silesia, while in the rest of voivodeships it stands at 16% and lower.
Last time I checked, those two were on the border with Germany. Do I not understand something here?

https://i.ibb.co/wMtqp9t/image.png

[Rethel]

Do I not understand something here?

A lot.
People living in Lebusland and Lower Silesia are migrants mainly from Ukraine.
In 1945 all, 100% people living there migrated to the West.
There is no reason to bind living there I-people with Germans.
These are I-people from western Ukraine, probably mostly I2.
And btw, I1 is not a germanic special haplgroup.

[Rethel]

Btw, much more interesting is high C in central regions.

[Jana]

Wow, Poland has Holy Cross Voivodeship. What a nice name, a true Christian country! :)

[Ülev]

Wow, Poland has Holy Cross Voivodeship. What a nice name, a true Christian country! :)

Świętokrzyskie (święty/święto - holy, krzyż/krzyskie - cross) :p

[Ion Basescul]

A lot.
People living in Lebusland and Lower Silesia are migrants mainly from Ukraine.
In 1945 all, 100% people living there migrated to the West.
There is no reason to bind living there I-people with Germans.
These are I-people from western Ukraine, probably mostly I2.
And btw, I1 is not a germanic special haplgroup.

This is what you are referring to?

https://i.ibb.co/TbRLRgf/image.png

[Ülev]

and till 1950 Żary and Żagań area was in Dolnośląskie (Lower Silesia), this is why I see so many Dmytros and Zlatas here (in the sense if phenotype)

[Aren]

4% N indicates rather significant Baltic input in modern Poles.

[Rethel]

Wow, Poland has Holy Cross Voivodeship. What a nice name, a true Christian country! :)

Holy Cross - name of the mountain peak.
Holycrossish mountains - name for the mountains.
And from that is Holycrossish Voyevodenship.

In everyday speech probably noone even notice the etymology.

But actually you are right, we have a province named like Holy Cross :)

[Peterski]

This is what you are referring to?

https://i.ibb.co/TbRLRgf/image.png

Yes, only a minority of population in this area is pre-war, the majority came from elsewhere after WW2.

I put this data on Wikipedia here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recovered_Territories#Origin_of_the_post-war_population_according_to_1950_census

Here you have data by county for pre-war locals (autochthons - with German citizenship as of 1939):

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Note that among these autochthons were both ethnic Poles (who had been Polish minority in Germany before 1939), as well as Germans who stayed in Poland (although officially German minority was not recognized in Communist Poland), as well as people who identified as "Silesians" etc.:

https://i.imgur.com/sAxezmZ.png

And here a map I made showing the percent of people from the USSR (Former East Poland) by county:

https://i.imgur.com/wgvLsNe.png

And here is how it looks like by voivodeship (not by county) today, ancestry from the USSR ("Kresy"):

https://i.imgur.com/nijxyZJ.png

I can make similar maps showing the percentage of people from each region, in each county, in 1950.

[Viridian1]

Łódzkie R1a 68% :thumb001:

[Ülev]

Łódzkie R1a 68% :thumb001:

and that was the most Jewish region before WW2
https://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_R1a_Y-DNA.shtml#famous_people
R1a-Z93 branch (Indo-Iranian)

The Israeli politician Benjamin Netanyahu, who has served four times as Prime Minister of Israel, belongs to haplogroup R1a-Z93 (Jewish Y2630 subclade) according to his brother's Ido's DNA test at FTDNA.

[Viridian1]

and that was the most Jewish region before WW2
https://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_R1a_Y-DNA.shtml#famous_people
R1a-Z93 branch (Indo-Iranian)

We dont't get the R1a from the Jews but the Jews got it from us ;)
Funny, Łódzkie also has highest rate of R1b

[Peterski]

https://www.frontiersin.org/files/Articles/567309/fgene-11-567309-HTML/image_m/fgene-11-567309-t001.jpg

https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fgene.2020.567309/full

Is this from FTDNA Polish Project or some study?

[Rethel]

Kresowiaki i inne z Rusi przesiedlaki

In total population it was a bad deal.
Some up to 2mln polish speaking people from Ruś for some 10mln german speaking postSlavs et consortes.
Better deal would be, if germanic speakers would remain, maybe in majority resettled to central Poland and assimilate.

Today we have 38 mln insted of almost 50mln, and among that 150.000 wannabe folxdojcz-prozelites who are zeaolus 5th column.

[Peterski]

Better deal would be, if germanic speakers would remain

But most of them fled / were evacuated already during the war.

[Rethel]

Łódzkie R1a 68% :thumb001:

Better: 87% R1!

[Rethel]

and that was the most Jewish region before WW2 https://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplo...#famous_people R1a-Z93 branch (Indo-Iranian) The Israeli politician Benjamin Netanyahu, who has served four times as Prime Minister of Israel, belongs to haplogroup R1a-Z93 (Jewish Y2630 subclade) according to his brother's Ido's DNA test at FTDNA.

Benko Milejkowski is from Warsaw and further from Krewo and Wilno.

[Rethel]

But most of them fled / were evacuated already during the war.

Not most, and btw, they wanted to return. If we would made it possible, then our
today situation would be much better demographically, economically and politically.

[Ion Basescul]

Is this from FTDNA Polish Project or some study?

You can see the link to the study just below the image.


Adult participants were recruited between 2010 and 2012 under the TESTOPLEK project based on general Polish population—POPULOUS collection of 10,000 saliva samples, derived from female and male attendees, completed with individual in-depth interview based on questionnaires. These recorded their place of residence, together with various other questions about the origin or ancestry of parents and grandparents. Saliva samples were collected up to 2016 and collectively have been included to POPULOUS collection at the Biobank Lab of the Department of Molecular Biophysics of the University of Lodz

[Peterski]

You can see the link to the study just below the image.

It is a pity that only 35 samples from Holy Cross Voivodeship. It is a very interesting area. There are also only very few GEDmatch kits from there.

[MoroLP]

They used ISOGG Y-DNA Haplogroup Tree from 2016? Why... and in supplemental data have such a small number of SNPs for the technology they used.

[rero]

Very interesting! One should keep in mind though that the sample size is still very small, but I guess it gives a general idea. No voivodeship is under 50% R1A. :cool:

[rero]

Here is the heatmap for my Subclade of N, which seems have entered the region long, long ago. It dips into NE Hungary, where my paternal line comes from. Still, as you can see it is very heavily associated with Poland and Western Ukraine, not really the Baltic region. Anything under the N-Y6075 subclade (which includes me) is sort of a "Slavic" branch of N.


On your heatmap it doesn't even cover Podlaskie, only Mazovia. In Suwalki region live many Baltic-influenced Poles (besides Lithuanians). This cannot be right as the peak must be further North-East.

[Leto]

One should keep in mind though that the sample size is still very small,
Small? What are you talking about? 2,700 samples is a hell of a lot. Show me a study with 2 million samples.

[rero]

Small? What are you talking about? 2,700 samples is a hell of a lot. Show me a study with 2 million samples.

Are you kidding me? That's still only 0.00007% of the total population. Wanna tell me this is a big number? Not my problem that other studies have small sample sizes as well. But actually I made this comment because the study is not just giving averages for the whole of Poland, but breaks those 2700 samples down into 16 subunits with sample sizes from 35 to about 300.

[Roy]

Here is the heatmap for my Subclade of N, which seems have entered the region long, long ago. It dips into NE Hungary, where my paternal line comes from. Still, as you can see it is very heavily associated with Poland and Western Ukraine, not really the Baltic region. Anything under the N-Y6075 subclade (which includes me) is sort of a "Slavic" branch of N.

https://i.imgur.com/n4SyzxI.png

N1c is though Balts-related in Poland.

[Roy]

and that was the most Jewish region before WW2
https://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_R1a_Y-DNA.shtml#famous_people
R1a-Z93 branch (Indo-Iranian)

https://media1.tenor.com/images/1aba5818a40a7b6162fca1ab6341c376/tenor.gif
https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/657/459/e31.gif

[Luke35]

On your heatmap it doesn't even cover Podlaskie, only Mazovia. In Suwalki region live many Baltic-influenced Poles (besides Lithuanians). This cannot be right as the peak must be further North-East.

This is a heatmap for my specific subclade only.

N-Y6075 and anything under it (including my N-Y17696) is associated mostly with Slavs (a few Magyars too ;)). One theory about this is that a group of Balts migrating south in the 6th or 7th century were assimilated by the Early Slavs, who were expanding from the East (Belarus/NW Ukraine), to the West.

[Luke35]

N1c is though Balts-related in Poland.

My specific subclade is rare and broke away from the Baltic region probably more than 1,500 years ago.

It (N-Y17696) is not present in today's Balts, only Slavs. And a Magyar or two.

[Rethel]

And a Magyar or two.

Finally! True Magyar indeed. Until now, we had only frauds and wannabees...

[Abriekman]

Is there more detailed information? What about subclades?