Is it rare to be right wing but not patriotic?

[Teutone]

Almost all right wing parties,right wing people and right wing organisations are patriotic.

Anyone of you is right wing but not patriotic?

[Celto-Germanic]

Right-wing but not patriotic? Sounds like the ideology of the mafia or some other criminal organisation.

[Richmondbread]

Somewhat unusual, because patriotism is usually tied to nationalism, which is in turn, tied to right wing attitude. However, if someone is disenchanted with the direction their country is going, it may be hard to raise your flag pole.

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[Petalpusher]

I think most nationalists/patriots would settle for a place that is closer to their ideas of a society in many respects, even if it's not their own country. Wether they admit it or not, it's practical thinking if they have the means to do it, because you can spend your life battling for some things that might never happens, and you can have some positive influences differently from the outside.

[Creoda]

No, a significant portion of so-called right-wingers are fine with seeing their country overrun by foreigners, so long as they hypothetically 'share our values'. Then you have the edgy tradcaths and ted-posters who think they're above race/nationalism.

[Tooting Carmen]

Many free-marketeers and libertarians are indeed right-wing without being especially patriotic.

[SilverKnight]

Both usually go hand and hand, but yeah some people are like this.
I'm both, but I DO NOT support the whole unipolar world agenda. We need a balanced world. Too much power on one side isn't good.

[Dragoon]

Yes it would be rare.

However, imagine you are right wing in a country full of "centrists" and leftists.

That is one potential example. There are other reasons which lower patriotism too (shit leaders, foreign background, dissident, restricted in expressing ideas). As they add on it gets harder to belong and support passionately.

[de Burgh II]

Yes, one's political orientation is not always synonymous with one's intrinsic sentiments as a general outcome. The various variables in play generally leads to either a desirable or undesirable outcome. Politics and other external factors in play lead to a general outcome that determines one's internal sentiments (i.e. patriotism). Hence, political affiliations are an inevitable impetus to a general result either for better or worse.

[Incal]

I'm right leaning but I'm not patriotic. I don't consider my country (or its people) worth saving.

[Smeagol]

I think it's impossible. Real right wingers are Nationalists. If you're not, you're leftist scum as far as I'm concerned.

[PlattitüdenPaule]

I'd gladly die for my most beautiful country (anyone whos been here before can confirm) and its history.

[InmostLight]

I don't think it's rare or impossible at all. Some people may say it's wrong to be patriotic in a degenerate country. Others may say that constructive patriotism can lift a country from degeneracy. There isn't a historical precedent for comparable widespread moral failure, so it's hard to say which idea would work best.

[Colonel Frank Grimes]

Theoretically, you could have a world governing body that is right-wing. For such a thing to exist, patriotism would have been a barrier to overcome. Otherwise, I'd say no. I can't think of a real-world example of a right-winger who isn't patriotic. Right-wingers are a varied group, but in all, the antagonism is never against the country but against their government.

A couple of things that must be pointed out: what appears to be a contradiction, such as Neo-Nazis in the US, UK, etc., getting a stiffy for the side that their grandpa fought against may appear to be traitorous in that they would have preferred Axis powers to have won, but it has to be understood they see their side as having been manipulated by the all-powerful Jew, and so you could argue they're patriots for preferring what would have been best for their nations if it hadn't been for the supposedly nefarious Jew, and what was best wouldn't have been a conflict with Germany. People's perceptions must be considered even if you detest their beliefs.

*I don't consider National Socialists right-wingers, but many people do, so I used them as an example to make a point about perception.


Yes, one's political orientation is not always synonymous with one's intrinsic sentiments as a general outcome. The various variables in play generally leads to either a desirable or undesirable outcome. Politics and other external factors in play lead to a general outcome that determines one's internal sentiments (i.e. patriotism). Hence, political affiliations are an inevitable impetus to a general result either for better or worse.

This is a good example of gibberish.

[Dick]

Theoretically, you could have a world governing body that is right-wing. For such a thing to exist, patriotism would have been a barrier to overcome. Otherwise, I'd say no. I can't think of a real-world example of a right-winger who isn't patriotic. Right-wingers are a varied group, but in all, the antagonism is never against the country but against their government.

A couple of things that must be pointed out: what appears to be a contradiction, such as Neo-Nazis in the US, UK, etc., getting a stiffy for the side that their grandpa fought against may appear to be traitorous in that they would have preferred Axis powers to have won, but it has to be understood they see their side as having been manipulated by the all-powerful Jew, and so you could argue they're patriots for preferring what would have been best for their nations if it hadn't been for the supposedly nefarious Jew, and what was best wouldn't have been a conflict with Germany. People's perceptions must be considered even if you detest their beliefs.

*I don't consider National Socialists right-wingers, but many people do, so I used them as an example to make a point about perception.



This is a good example of gibberish.

The all powerful grifters. Swindling for one billion dollars back in 1918 :icon_lol: 6 million must be a magical number in judaism.


https://youtu.be/rCNzg3e-mTY

[Colonel Frank Grimes]

The all powerful grifters. Swindling for one billion dollars back in 1918 :icon_lol: 6 million must be a magical number in judaism.

[video=youtube_share;rCNzg3e-mTY]https://youtu.be/rCNzg3e-m

I say it's probably around 4 million, and some people chimp out at me over that. I don't know why. Whether it's 6 million (which it wasn't) or around 4 million (most likely) it's still millions of innocent people. They also get upset when I say people weren't gassed in Auschwitz but were gassed in the Reinhard camps.

They put me in the same camp as people who deny the Holocaust happened. It's absurd.

[DraviXi99]

I say it's probably around 4 million, and some people chimp out at me over that. I don't know why. Whether it's 6 million (which it wasn't) or around 4 million (most likely) it's still millions of innocent people. They also get upset when I say people weren't gassed in Auschwitz but were gassed in the Reinhard camps.

They put me in the same camp as people who deny the Holocaust happened. It's absurd.

It's not about le "6 gorillionz", but about 6 itself,the point is the 6. Jews use this number to manipulate anything because it's their "lucky number",it comes from the fact that they are the devil's child (666).

[Dick]

I say it's probably around 4 million, and some people chimp out at me over that. I don't know why. Whether it's 6 million (which it wasn't) or around 4 million (most likely) it's still millions of innocent people. They also get upset when I say people weren't gassed in Auschwitz but were gassed in the Reinhard camps.

They put me in the same camp as people who deny the Holocaust happened. It's absurd.

did you watch the video, it's not long and there's a hockey fight too. Russians wanted to exterminate 6 million jews, send money to Ukrainian jews to stop the pogroms. Sounds familar.


It's not about le "6 gorillionz", but about 6 itself,the point is the 6. Jews use this number to manipulate anything because it's their "lucky number",it comes from the fact that they are the devil's child (666).

Bullseye

[Anglo-Celtic]

I say it's probably around 4 million, and some people chimp out at me over that. I don't know why. Whether it's 6 million (which it wasn't) or around 4 million (most likely) it's still millions of innocent people. They also get upset when I say people weren't gassed in Auschwitz but were gassed in the Reinhard camps.

They put me in the same camp as people who deny the Holocaust happened. It's absurd.

It's the insane thinking that insults anybody who is nuanced and subtle in their search for facts and truth. It's like how the clowns call me a wacist for criticizing Affirmative Action or the neoconservatives call me Neville for not buying the current propaganda about Ukraine.

[Mortimer]

Most White Nationalists are loyal to the white race, not country, because they dont like the general politics their country is heading though. They also would say they like more any white nationalist from any country, then a black or liberal american. Also depends on definition of patriotism, I understand patriotism as support of a country, so white nationalists are not really patriotic.

[Tooting Carmen]

Most White Nationalists are loyal to the white race, not country, because they dont like the general politics their country is heading though. They also would say they like more any white nationalist from any country, then a black or liberal american. Also depends on definition of patriotism, I understand patriotism as support of a country, so white nationalists are not really patriotic.

Something like that.

[Tooting Carmen]

I'm right leaning but I'm not patriotic. I don't consider my country (or its people) worth saving.

What do you mean?

[Incal]

What do you mean?

That my country is hopeless.

[PlattitüdenPaule]

Most White Nationalists are loyal to the white race, not country,

Wat? :picard2::picard2::picard2:

"Nationalism is an ideology that emphasizes loyalty, devotion, or allegiance to a nation or nation-state and holds that such obligations outweigh other individual or group interests."

https://www.britannica.com/topic/nationalism

[Colonel Frank Grimes]

did you watch the video, it's not long and there's a hockey fight too. Russians wanted to exterminate 6 million jews, send money to Ukrainian jews to stop the pogroms. Sounds familar.



Bullseye

The video was removed for violating youtube's term of services

You know you can't talk about that stuff on youtube.

[Jehan]

In traditional religious group it's not rare. Well less common in christianity, but in islamic circle, the hardcore religious claim to beleive in ouma and not in nation.