Help with adopted DNA

[Python11]

Hello, I am from Canada but I was adopted. I know that my genetic father is Turkish Iranian but I don't know my mother. I have my DNA test result and I have purchased a DNA coordinate from G25 Davidski Eurogenes but I do not know how to use it either. I am confused with my DNA test because I only got 4% of Turkey. This is my 23andMe, if anyone can help me figure out my ancestry I will be grateful

81.4% West Asia North Africa
81.1% North West Asia
77.0% Iran, Caucasus, Mesopotamia
4.1% Anatolia
0.3% Broadly West Asia North Africa

17.9% South Asia Central Asia
17.9% Central Asia

0.5% North Asia
0.4% Siberia
0.1% Broadly North Asia

0.2% Unassigned

Does it mean I am only 4% Turkish mostly Iranian? What is the other half?
Also, I have the coordinates but don't know how to use them. Where should I put it?

[Dr_Maul]

Eastern Turkey is included with Iranian, so they might be from there although your Central Asian is quite high for both groups. Do you have regions? If so, post them. Also your haplogroups would be nice

[Python11]

Eastern Turkey is included with Iranian, so they might be from there although your Central Asian is quite high for both groups. Do you have regions? If so, post them. Also your haplogroups would be nice

Thank you for your reply. I did not get any provinces in 'eastern turkey', all of my iranian/caucasus is in iran in terms of matches

iran:
Strong: Golestan, North Khorasan
Medium: Tehran, South Khorasan, East Azerbaijan
Weak: Zanjan

turkey western:
Medium: Istanbul

My Y-DNA is Q-M25
My maternal one is D4

[Dr_Maul]

Thank you for your reply. I did not get any provinces in 'eastern turkey', all of my iranian/caucasus is in iran in terms of matches

iran:
Strong: Golestan, North Khorasan
Medium: Tehran, South Khorasan, East Azerbaijan
Weak: Zanjan

turkey western:
Medium: Istanbul

My Y-DNA is Q-M25
My maternal one is D4

Your regions are Turkmen (Gorgan, Khorasan) and Azeri (Zanjan Azerbaijan). By Iranian Turkish it is meant that you are a Turkmen + possibly Azeri from Iran, which also coincides with your super high Central Asian. Your Y-DNA is Turkic whereas your MtDNA is more broadly Asian. For your G25, go here:
http://g25vahaduo.genetics.ovh/G25modern-scaled-averages.htm
Post your coordinates in the target and set distance to 0.25 or 0.5.

[Python11]

Your regions are Turkmen (Gorgan, Khorasan) and Azeri (Zanjan Azerbaijan). By Iranian Turkish it is meant that you are a Turkmen + possibly Azeri from Iran, which also coincides with your super high Central Asian. Your Y-DNA is Turkic whereas your MtDNA is more broadly Asian. For your G25, go here:
http://g25vahaduo.genetics.ovh/G25modern-scaled-averages.htm
Post your coordinates in the target and set distance to 0.25 or 0.5.

So, it is meaning Turkish but from Iran? And that is the Tajik?

Target: Michael
Distance: 0.7047% / 0.00704700 | ADC: 0.25x
50.2 Tajik
20.6 Turkish_South
19.8 Turkmen
4.6 Tatar_Crimean_steppe
4.4 Turkish_Southwest
0.4 Makrani

[gixajo]

Hello, I am from Canada but I was adopted. I know that my genetic father is Turkish Iranian but I don't know my mother. I have my DNA test result and I have purchased a DNA coordinate from G25 Davidski Eurogenes but I do not know how to use it either. I am confused with my DNA test because I only got 4% of Turkey. This is my 23andMe, if anyone can help me figure out my ancestry I will be grateful

81.4% West Asia North Africa
81.1% North West Asia
77.0% Iran, Caucasus, Mesopotamia
4.1% Anatolia
0.3% Broadly West Asia North Africa

17.9% South Asia Central Asia
17.9% Central Asia

0.5% North Asia
0.4% Siberia
0.1% Broadly North Asia

0.2% Unassigned

Does it mean I am only 4% Turkish mostly Iranian? What is the other half?
Also, I have the coordinates but don't know how to use them. Where should I put it?

Could you run your scaled G25 coordinates here so we can see where you plot?:

https://vahaduo.github.io/g25views/#Caucasus-NearEast

Copy and paste your scaled coordinates in the appropiate place and then press"add to the PCA" button.

[Python11]

Could you run your scaled G25 coordinates here so we can see where you plot?:

https://vahaduo.github.io/g25views/#Caucasus-NearEast

Copy and paste your scaled coordinates in the appropiate place and then press"add to the PCA" button.

Thanks for the reply
I am the dark green (top right)

https://i.ibb.co/0Yff0dY/Screen-Shot-2020-10-28-at-7-44-37-PM.png

[Dr_Maul]

So, it is meaning Turkish but from Iran? And that is the Tajik?

Target: Michael
Distance: 0.7047% / 0.00704700 | ADC: 0.25x
50.2 Tajik
20.6 Turkish_South
19.8 Turkmen
4.6 Tatar_Crimean_steppe
4.4 Turkish_Southwest
0.4 Makrani

Tajik is similar to Turkmen but more Afghan Iranian like. Your results are not very typical Turkmen. It gives you 20% Turkish (Anatolian) as well. I think you are Iranian Turkmen + Azeri + Afghan

[Python11]

Tajik is similar to Turkmen but more Afghan Iranian like. Your results are not very typical Turkmen. It gives you 20% Turkish (Anatolian) as well. I think you are Iranian Turkmen + Azeri + Afghan

So what is the exact mix in your opinion? Does it make me then 50% Iranian 50% Afghan?

[gixajo]

Thanks for the reply
I am the dark green (top right)

[Ig[/IMG]

This one is better for you,:

https://vahaduo.github.io/g25views/#WestEurasia

[Dr_Maul]

So what is the exact mix in your opinion? Does it make me then 50% Iranian 50% Afghan?

I am not too sure, if I had to guess it would be 50% Afghan + 25% Turkish + 25% Turkmen

[Python11]

This one is better for you,:

https://vahaduo.github.io/g25views/#WestEurasia

Is this better you think?
https://i.ibb.co/DVTjQPS/Vahaduo-Global-25-West-Eurasia-PCA-1.png

[Python11]

I am not too sure, if I had to guess it would be 50% Afghan + 25% Turkish + 25% Turkmen

Thanks! So, the 23andme is based on their country not really race? So I am racially that 50% Afghan + X or is that my national origins?

[Dr_Maul]

Thanks! So, the 23andme is based on their country not really race? So I am racially that 50% Afghan + X or is that my national origins?

23andMe is mainly where your ancestors lived in the past couple centuries. Thats why I am surprised that you get 25% Turkish racially but only 4% Anatolian.
I think you are 50% Iranian Turkmen, 25% Azeri and 25% Afghan, possibly Afghan Turkmen racially speaking. Nation wise, 75% Iranian + 25% Afghan I would say

[xripkan]

Hello, I am from Canada but I was adopted. I know that my genetic father is Turkish Iranian but I don't know my mother. I have my DNA test result and I have purchased a DNA coordinate from G25 Davidski Eurogenes but I do not know how to use it either. I am confused with my DNA test because I only got 4% of Turkey. This is my 23andMe, if anyone can help me figure out my ancestry I will be grateful

81.4% West Asia North Africa
81.1% North West Asia
77.0% Iran, Caucasus, Mesopotamia
4.1% Anatolia
0.3% Broadly West Asia North Africa

17.9% South Asia Central Asia
17.9% Central Asia

0.5% North Asia
0.4% Siberia
0.1% Broadly North Asia

0.2% Unassigned

Does it mean I am only 4% Turkish mostly Iranian? What is the other half?
Also, I have the coordinates but don't know how to use them. Where should I put it?

Could you post your closest populations on G25? If you don't mind you could post your coordinates. Use also this calculator
http://g25vahaduo.genetics.ovh/G25%20calculator%20of%20ancient%20basic%20componen ts.htm

It would be useful to use the gedmatch too. It is free. You seem Iranic+East Eurasian+some possible Caucasian so I would say Iranian Turkmen or another interesting Central-West Asian mix but I would like to see more G25 results and gedmatch if it is possible.

[Python11]

Could you post your closest populations on G25? If you don't mind you could post your coordinates. Use also this calculator
http://g25vahaduo.genetics.ovh/G25%20calculator%20of%20ancient%20basic%20componen ts.htm

It would be useful to use the gedmatch too. It is free. You seem Iranic+East Eurasian+some possible Caucasian so I would say Iranian Turkmen or another interesting Central-West Asian mix but I would like to see more G25 results and gedmatch if it is possible.

This one is confusing, I am not sure what some of these mean
Target: Michael
Distance: 1.8578% / 0.01857759
23.2 STEPPE
19.4 EEF
17.4 ASIA-EAST
17.2 CENTRAL-ASIA
9.6 IRAN
6.2 LEVANT
4.2 DRAVIDIAN
2.8 CHG

I had a GEDmatch, but something went wrong with the password and I could not acess it. I will try and fix it soon however if it is useful

[Chaos One]

How much East Asian do you score on normal calculators?

[Python11]

How much East Asian do you score on normal calculators?

I am not sure exactly, if there is a specific G25 you have in mind I can run it

[Chaos One]

I am not sure exactly, if there is a specific G25 you have in mind I can run it

Try uploading your raw into Gedmatch or https://www.yourdnaportal.com and run a Calculator (MDLP World 22 or EU K15 would be nice already).

[xripkan]

I am not sure exactly, if there is a specific G25 you have in mind I can run it

It would be also useful to check your distance to modern and ancient populations. Could you post it?

[Python11]

It would be also useful to check your distance to modern and ancient populations. Could you post it?

These?

Distance to: Michael
0.04405706 TUR_Ottoman:MA2196
0.05641010 TJK_Ksirov_H_Kushan:I12294
0.06959721 KAZ_Kipchak:DA179
0.07053440 MDA_Cimmerian:cim358
0.07068761 TUR_IA:MA2198
0.07340471 KAZ_Kangju:DA123
0.07459084 KAZ_Molaly_LBA:I3769
0.07627792 Saka_Tian_Shan:DA58
0.07659702 PAK_Udegram_MA_Ghaznavid:I2959
0.07727147 Hun_Tian_Shan:DA70
0.07827748 KAZ_Wusun:DA220
0.07929912 KAZ_Kangju:DA206
0.07957960 Hun_Tian_Shan:DA81
0.08094475 KAZ_Wusun:DA223
0.08154962 KAZ_Turk_o:DA224
0.08319944 UZB_Dzharkutan2_BA:I4901
0.08408473 DEU_MA_ACD:AED_1108
0.08422655 Saka_Tian_Shan:DA51
0.08424376 KAZ_Wusun:DA227
0.08496231 Hun_Tian_Shan:DA98
0.08661254 PAK_Singoor_MA:I1805
0.08871196 Saka_Tian_Shan:DA47
0.08913559 Sarmatian_KAZ:DA30
0.08991834 Hun_Tian_Shan:DA101
0.09104017 KAZ_Nomad_IA:DA129

Distance to: Michael
0.03116594 Tajik
0.05906867 Turkmen
0.06138327 Turkish_South
0.06364592 Tajik_Shugnan
0.06550615 Tajik_Rushan
0.06569891 Turkish_Northwest
0.06628111 Turkish_Southwest
0.06854411 Turkish_Balikesir
0.06924822 Tajik_Ishkashim
0.06932499 Turkmen_Uzbekistan
0.06987059 Tajik_Yagnobi
0.07166497 Turkish_Aydin
0.07399146 Tatar_Crimean_steppe
0.07508819 Turkish_North
0.08750667 Abazin
0.08916102 Kumyk
0.08947751 Kabardin
0.09062050 Turkish_Central
0.09106587 Karachay
0.09148424 Kho_Singanali
0.09235806 Parsi_Pakistan
0.09236324 Cherkes
0.09246571 Roma_Balkans
0.09351433 Parsi_India
0.09376755 Tatar_Lipka

[Python11]

Try uploading your raw into Gedmatch or https://www.yourdnaportal.com and run a Calculator (MDLP World 22 or EU K15 would be nice already).

Ok, I will fix my Gedmatch and do those ones thanks

[gixajo]

I am not sure exactly, if there is a specific G25 you have in mind I can run it

Try this, I add Balochi, because was my first intuition, but your closest sample should be Tajik_Yagnobi.

scaled


Tajik_Yagnobi:TJ1101_tadjik_yag,0.101303,0.066009,-0.038466,0.021964,-0.04647,0.020917,0.004465,-0.003461,-0.040291,-0.028247,-0.010393,3e-04,0.001338,-0.017203,0.01045,0.023999,0.012126,0.000253,-0.006536,-0.007253,-0.004742,-0.01051,0.005546,0.004699,0.008143
Tajik:TJ-0080,0.087644,0.014217,-0.036204,0.017765,-0.030467,0.01757,0.00517,0.000923,-0.014112,-0.008201,-0.007632,0.01109,-0.002676,-0.010735,0.009365,0.000398,-0.014342,-0.00114,-0.001131,-0.003126,-0.00025,-0.006554,-0.00419,-0.004579,0.003113
Iranian_Bandari:BanII80,0.056912,0.074134,-0.082212,0.010013,-0.049855,0.018407,0.00517,-0.001385,-0.015339,-0.017859,-0.001624,-0.000599,0.003271,-0.000138,0.011943,0.009812,-0.012908,0.010895,0.00817,-0.016758,-0.006988,-0.006801,-0.001725,-0.012652,0.010298
Balochi:HGDP00054,0.085367,0.063978,-0.093903,0.028424,-0.071398,0.029562,0.00893,0.006,-0.025156,-0.016037,-0.00065,-0.003447,0.006838,-0.007707,0.019137,0.027976,-0.012126,0.002534,0.008673,-0.025262,-0.000998,-0.017188,0.001725,-0.014098,0.016765

[Chaos One]

Try this, I add Balochi, because was my first intuition, but your closest sample should be Tajik_Yagnobi.

scaled


Tajik_Yagnobi:TJ1101_tadjik_yag,0.101303,0.066009,-0.038466,0.021964,-0.04647,0.020917,0.004465,-0.003461,-0.040291,-0.028247,-0.010393,3e-04,0.001338,-0.017203,0.01045,0.023999,0.012126,0.000253,-0.006536,-0.007253,-0.004742,-0.01051,0.005546,0.004699,0.008143
Tajik:TJ-0080,0.087644,0.014217,-0.036204,0.017765,-0.030467,0.01757,0.00517,0.000923,-0.014112,-0.008201,-0.007632,0.01109,-0.002676,-0.010735,0.009365,0.000398,-0.014342,-0.00114,-0.001131,-0.003126,-0.00025,-0.006554,-0.00419,-0.004579,0.003113
Iranian_Bandari:BanII80,0.056912,0.074134,-0.082212,0.010013,-0.049855,0.018407,0.00517,-0.001385,-0.015339,-0.017859,-0.001624,-0.000599,0.003271,-0.000138,0.011943,0.009812,-0.012908,0.010895,0.00817,-0.016758,-0.006988,-0.006801,-0.001725,-0.012652,0.010298
Balochi:HGDP00054,0.085367,0.063978,-0.093903,0.028424,-0.071398,0.029562,0.00893,0.006,-0.025156,-0.016037,-0.00065,-0.003447,0.006838,-0.007707,0.019137,0.027976,-0.012126,0.002534,0.008673,-0.025262,-0.000998,-0.017188,0.001725,-0.014098,0.016765

I mean, he's far more Iranic than Turkish as it seems. However, his East Asian score would make it more clear if it's Tajik, Pamiri or Afghan oriented (or Turkmen, anyway).

[Python11]

Try this, I add Balochi, because was my first intuition, but your closest sample should be Tajik_Yagnobi.

scaled


Tajik_Yagnobi:TJ1101_tadjik_yag,0.101303,0.066009,-0.038466,0.021964,-0.04647,0.020917,0.004465,-0.003461,-0.040291,-0.028247,-0.010393,3e-04,0.001338,-0.017203,0.01045,0.023999,0.012126,0.000253,-0.006536,-0.007253,-0.004742,-0.01051,0.005546,0.004699,0.008143
Tajik:TJ-0080,0.087644,0.014217,-0.036204,0.017765,-0.030467,0.01757,0.00517,0.000923,-0.014112,-0.008201,-0.007632,0.01109,-0.002676,-0.010735,0.009365,0.000398,-0.014342,-0.00114,-0.001131,-0.003126,-0.00025,-0.006554,-0.00419,-0.004579,0.003113
Iranian_Bandari:BanII80,0.056912,0.074134,-0.082212,0.010013,-0.049855,0.018407,0.00517,-0.001385,-0.015339,-0.017859,-0.001624,-0.000599,0.003271,-0.000138,0.011943,0.009812,-0.012908,0.010895,0.00817,-0.016758,-0.006988,-0.006801,-0.001725,-0.012652,0.010298
Balochi:HGDP00054,0.085367,0.063978,-0.093903,0.028424,-0.071398,0.029562,0.00893,0.006,-0.025156,-0.016037,-0.00065,-0.003447,0.006838,-0.007707,0.019137,0.027976,-0.012126,0.002534,0.008673,-0.025262,-0.000998,-0.017188,0.001725,-0.014098,0.016765

Distance to: Michael
0.03897972 Tajik:TJ-0080
0.07495829 Tajik_Yagnobi:TJ1101_tadjik_yag
0.10021212 Iranian_Bandari:BanII80
0.11187680 Balochi:HGDP00054

[Chaos One]

Hmmm, still Tajik.

I mean, from Turkish Iranian to Tajik is a gap. At this distance, you're more Tajik than anything, including Pamiri groups (who are closer to Afghan at some degree, anyway).

Now, dunno if there's a mix who push your Turkish Iranian side into this or your Turkish Iranian is clarly Azeri that would make a Turkmen mix move it closer into Tajik. However, now I do think not only your East Asian score matters but your South Asian too. If it's too thin, maybe it's Turkmen (or any other Central Asian), if it's not it's probably Afghan. Hard to guess IMO.

[gixajo]

I mean, he's far more Iranic than Turkish as it seems. However, his East Asian score would make it more clear if it's Tajik, Pamiri or Afghan oriented (or Turkmen, anyway).

Probably, but I want to satisfy my curiosity before I go to sleep:D

That part of the world is very interesting genetically, there are so many ethnic groups that come together there so different, that it is a real treasure.

I wish I knew more about this part of the world.

[Python11]

Hmmm, still Tajik.

I mean, from Turkish Iranian to Tajik is a gap. At this distance, you're more Tajik than anything, including Pamiri groups (who are closer to Afghan at some degree, anyway).

Now, dunno if there's a mix who push your Turkish Iranian side into this or your Turkish Iranian is clarly Azeri that would make a Turkmen mix move it closer into Tajik. However, now I do think not only your East Asian score matters but your South Asian too. If it's too thin, maybe it's Turkmen (or any other Central Asian), if it's not it's probably Afghan. Hard to guess IMO.

I think my first calculator was the most logical for me, almost perfect 50-25-25 split. But I am not sure how to translate it into 50% Turkish Iranian + 50% X ethnicity

Target: Michael
Distance: 0.7047% / 0.00704700 | ADC: 0.25x
50.2 Tajik
20.6 Turkish_South
19.8 Turkmen
4.6 Tatar_Crimean_steppe
4.4 Turkish_Southwest
0.4 Makrani

[gixajo]

Distance to: Michael
4

And results?

[Python11]

And results?

?

[xripkan]

Ok, I will fix my Gedmatch and do those ones thanks

In your case Harappaworld and Eurasia K6 would be useful as well. You are a combination of Iranic+East Eurasian. You could be Iranian Turkmen or a mix among Iranian groups of Iran, Tajikistan and Turkmens.

[gixajo]

?

I meant, "single" results, you posted the distance list.

[xripkan]

I think my first calculator was the most logical for me, almost perfect 50-25-25 split. But I am not sure how to translate it into 50% Turkish Iranian + 50% X ethnicity

Target: Michael
Distance: 0.7047% / 0.00704700 | ADC: 0.25x
50.2 Tajik
20.6 Turkish_South
19.8 Turkmen
4.6 Tatar_Crimean_steppe
4.4 Turkish_Southwest
0.4 Makrani

Could you post ADC 0.5x as well?

[Python11]

I meant, "single" results, you posted the distance list.

Target: Michael
Distance: 3.7004% / 0.03700426
84.2 Tajik
15.8 Tajik_Yagnobi

[Python11]

Could you post ADC 0.5x as well?

Target: Michael
Distance: 0.9242% / 0.00924240 | ADC: 0.5x
57.6 Tajik
22.4 Turkish_South
17.2 Turkmen
2.8 Tatar_Crimean_steppe

[Chaos One]

I think my first calculator was the most logical for me, almost perfect 50-25-25 split. But I am not sure how to translate it into 50% Turkish Iranian + 50% X ethnicity

Target: Michael
Distance: 0.7047% / 0.00704700 | ADC: 0.25x
50.2 Tajik
20.6 Turkish_South
19.8 Turkmen
4.6 Tatar_Crimean_steppe
4.4 Turkish_Southwest
0.4 Makrani

I mean, if your 50% Turkish Iranian = 50% Azeri Iranian, basically all numbers here except Tajik would fit the bill as Azeri when combined.

So, the "50% Tajik" can be Tajik itself, for example.

[xripkan]

Target: Michael
Distance: 0.9242% / 0.00924240 | ADC: 0.5x
57.6 Tajik
22.4 Turkish_South
17.2 Turkmen
2.8 Tatar_Crimean_steppe

Interestingly distance is still too small. You are modelled as half North Iranic+half Turkmen with Caucasian input. You can be modelled with different ways.
Iranic Turkmen with high Steppe ancestry which could come from Tajikistan or a highly steppe admixed group of Iran is the most possible option I would say.

[Chaos One]

Interestingly distance is still too small. You are modelled as half North Iranic+half Turkmen with Caucasian input. You can be modelled with different ways.
Iranic Turkmen with high Steppe ancestry which could come from Tajikistan or a highly steppe admixed group of Iran is the most possible option I would say.

Maybe an Azeri Iranian + Turkmen Iranian mix, for example? Makes some sense. Still waiting South/East Asian numbers, since it can give some light regarding if it's more like Turkmen or Tajik itself.

[Python11]

Maybe an Azeri Iranian + Turkmen Iranian mix, for example? Makes some sense. Still waiting South/East Asian numbers, since it can give some light regarding if it's more like Turkmen or Tajik itself.

I have a K12b from before when I was testing it
It is not the calculators you guys asked but I don't know if it works

Population
Gedrosia 20.95 Pct
Siberian 10.82 Pct
Northwest_African 0.45 Pct
Southeast_Asian 1.50 Pct
Atlantic_Med 7.56 Pct
North_European 18.96 Pct
South_Asian 4.71 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 4.51 Pct
East_Asian 12.36 Pct
Caucasus 18.18 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

[xripkan]

Maybe an Azeri Iranian + Turkmen Iranian mix, for example? Makes some sense. Still waiting South/East Asian numbers, since it can give some light regarding if it's more like Turkmen or Tajik itself.

He should have higher Caucasian and lower Steppe for this combination. He seems a mix of Iran and Tajikistan or a highly Steppe admixed Iranian with significant Turkmen input.

[Chaos One]

I have a K12b from before when I was testing it
It is not the calculators you guys asked but I don't know if it works

Population
Gedrosia 20.95 Pct
Siberian 10.82 Pct
Northwest_African 0.45 Pct
Southeast_Asian 1.50 Pct
Atlantic_Med 7.56 Pct
North_European 18.96 Pct
South_Asian 4.71 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 4.51 Pct
East_Asian 12.36 Pct
Caucasus 18.18 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Low South Asian. I would cut Afghan admix easily with this score.

Your East Asian and Siberian however still somewhat "high". If your mix is at least 50% Azeri Iranian, I do think something made it up a bit.

Now, 3 points:

1 - Makes sense to appear Tajik as first on mixes because your numbers are closer at some degree with them, specially NEuro;
2 - Your Caucasus number isn't that high, so I don't think there's another Caucasian mix, it's probably Iranian, Tajik or Iranian Turkmen;
3 - Still difficult to target a group. I do think Tajiks and Iranian Turkmen more logical, but both do have prox. numbers regarding East Asian usually (Turkmen sometimes do score more East Asian and not so much South Asian than Tajiks).

I still do think a Harappaworld run can help a bit more. At least I would cut groups like Afghans or Balochi from the list already.

[Chaos One]

He should have higher Caucasian and lower Steppe for this combination. He seems a mix of Iran and Tajikistan or a highly Steppe admixed Iranian with significant Turkmen input.

Yeah, it's probably Tajik itself.

If his side is Turkmen Iranian at all, makes sense too.

[Python11]

Low South Asian. I would cut Afghan admix easily with this score.

Your East Asian and Siberian however still somewhat "high". If your mix is at least 50% Azeri Iranian, I do think something made it up a bit.

Now, 3 points:

1 - Makes sense to appear Tajik as first on mixes because your numbers are closer at some degree with them, specially NEuro;
2 - Your Caucasus number isn't that high, so I don't think there's another Caucasian mix, it's probably Iranian, Tajik or Turkmen;
3 - Still difficult to target a group. I do think Tajiks and Turkmen more logical, but both do have prox. numbers regarding East Asian usually (Turkmen sometimes do score more East Asian and not so much South Asian than Tajiks).

I still do think a Harappaworld run can help a bit more. At least I would cut groups like Afghans or Balochi from the list already.


I will post Harappaworld, Eurogenes and MDLP World as soon as possible, thank you for the analysis. It is interesting to finally learn where I came from

[Armenian Bishop]

One thing that happens, with adopted children, is that they fine themselves seeking to know the birthparent identity, and sometimes the genetic origin too, but oftentimes both things. It makes me question the role of adoptive parents, because adopted children too often aren't satisfied simply being nurtured by the parents who actually raise them. It's understandable and makes sense, but it puts the adoptive parents into a more questionable role.

[Python11]

One thing that happens, with adopted children, is that they fine themselves seeking to know the birthparent identity, and sometimes the genetic origin too, but oftentimes both things. It makes me question the role of adoptive parents, because adopted children too often aren't satisfied simply being nurtured by the parents who actually raise them. It's understandable and makes sense, but it puts the adoptive parents into a more questionable role.

Yeah I understand what you mean, it’s a tough situation. Personally I was more interested because I obviously am not your average white Canadian, so I wanted to know more about where I came from. Obviously tho, I am not going to start identifying as Turkish, Iranian or Afghan after this lol. But it’s always interesting to learn where the ancestors roamed

[Python11]

Well I’m going to sleep now but tomorrow I’ll have GEDmatch up and running hopefully
Thanks to all you guys for the help

[Armenian Bishop]

Yeah I understand what you mean, it’s a tough situation. Personally I was more interested because I obviously am not your average white Canadian, so I wanted to know more about where I came from. Obviously tho, I am not going to start identifying as Turkish, Iranian or Afghan after this lol. But it’s always interesting to learn where the ancestors roamed

For years and years, I've both seen and heard cases of adopted children searching for their birth identity and birth parents. This isn't some new observation, on my part.

[Kaspias]

Welcome,

If you share your Gedmatch kit with me I believe I can help you. All of these 23andme stuff are useless.

On the other hand, you're bearing Oghuz clade of Q(Avshar?), can recommend you to test at FTDNA too(big-y, or y-37 at least) as you probably will get meaningful matches.

[Leto]

I have a K12b from before when I was testing it
It is not the calculators you guys asked but I don't know if it works

Population
Gedrosia 20.95 Pct
Siberian 10.82 Pct
Northwest_African 0.45 Pct
Southeast_Asian 1.50 Pct
Atlantic_Med 7.56 Pct
North_European 18.96 Pct
South_Asian 4.71 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 4.51 Pct
East_Asian 12.36 Pct
Caucasus 18.18 Pct
Sub_Saharan -
This is more important than everything you shared before :D

You are definitely Central Asian. What do you look like?

Dodecad K12b oracle

Distance to: Python11
7.49310350 Turkmen_Uzbekistan
8.22229287 Uzbek
11.18324193 Tajik_Tajikistan
14.13484701 Turkmen
14.45101035 Uzbeks
14.64357880 Turkmen_Iran
14.79686115 Crimean_Tatar_Steppe
15.13410718 Tajiks
16.88768782 Yagnobi
17.63469308 Pamiri_Shughnan

Target: Python11
Distance: 2.0077% / 2.00770970 | ADC: 0.5x
34.0 Tajik_Tajikistan
27.4 Turkmen_Uzbekistan
21.6 Uzbek
17.0 Crimean_Tatar_Steppe

Target: Python11
Distance: 0.9972% / 0.99722995 | ADC: 0.25x
29.2 Turkmen_Uzbekistan
23.8 Crimean_Tatar_Steppe
22.4 Tajik_Tajikistan
12.2 Tajiks
11.4 Uzbek
0.8 Udmurt
0.2 Irish

[Leto]

Someone with ancestry only from Iran or Turkey (except the tiny Balkan part) cannot score almost 19% North European. There must be something else in you.

G25 is a waste of money and time for a novice, let alone an adoptee. GEDmatch should be explored first.

[ShieldWolf]

Hello, I am from Canada but I was adopted. I know that my genetic father is Turkish Iranian but I don't know my mother. I have my DNA test result and I have purchased a DNA coordinate from G25 Davidski Eurogenes but I do not know how to use it either. I am confused with my DNA test because I only got 4% of Turkey. This is my 23andMe, if anyone can help me figure out my ancestry I will be grateful

81.4% West Asia North Africa
81.1% North West Asia
77.0% Iran, Caucasus, Mesopotamia
4.1% Anatolia
0.3% Broadly West Asia North Africa

17.9% South Asia Central Asia
17.9% Central Asia

0.5% North Asia
0.4% Siberia
0.1% Broadly North Asia

0.2% Unassigned

Does it mean I am only 4% Turkish mostly Iranian? What is the other half?
Also, I have the coordinates but don't know how to use them. Where should I put it?

The data posted above doesn't appear to be 23&Me results. Their percentages should add up to 100%. Please post your actaul 23&Me percentages.

[Kyp]

Looks like you are Turkmen from Iran rather than Turkish my friend

If you could send me your kitnumber I could look for your matches and probably pinpoint your ancestry a bit.

[Leto]

Looks like you are Turkmen from Iran rather than Turkish my friend
From Iran with ~19% North Euro? I think he might have something else, maybe Nogai/Steppe Turkic, something of that kind.

[Kyp]

From Iran with ~19% North Euro? I think he might have something else, maybe Nogai/Steppe Turkic, something of that kind.

It's not like Iranian Turkmens genetics are well explored. There are like 5 kits available. They score like 9-14%. He could also be from an Afghan Turkmen refugee etc.. Which also are quite numberous in Iran.

But since he doesn't get Afghan regions it is less likely.

[Kaspias]

This is more important than everything you shared before :D



I miss that post, so we can move on now.

This is your k100 mixed-mode for K12b:


[1,] "41.8% Karakalpak + 58.2% Yagnobi" "2.4835"
[2,] "68.4% Uzbek + 31.6% Yagnobi" "2.8997"
[3,] "35.2% Kazakh + 64.8% Yagnobi" "2.9959"
[4,] "31.7% Kyrgyz_Bishkek + 68.3% Yagnobi" "3.4342"
[5,] "32.6% Kyrgyz + 67.4% Yagnobi" "3.4673"
[6,] "10.3% Latvian + 89.7% Turkmen_Uzbekistan" "3.6864"
[7,] "50.6% Crimean_Tatar_Steppe + 49.4% Tajiks" "3.7467"
[8,] "10.5% Lithuanian + 89.5% Turkmen_Uzbekistan" "3.8241"
[9,] "25.9% Kalmyk + 74.1% Yagnobi" "3.8358"
[10,] "10.6% Estonian + 89.4% Turkmen_Uzbekistan" "3.8916"
[11,] "10.6% Karelian + 89.4% Turkmen_Uzbekistan" "3.9063"
[12,] "11.7% Southwest_Rus + 88.3% Turkmen_Uzbekistan" "3.913"
[13,] "12.1% Rus_Smolensk + 87.9% Turkmen_Uzbekistan" "3.9183"
[14,] "12% Rus_Kostroma + 88% Turkmen_Uzbekistan" "3.9318"
[15,] "10.3% Finnish_West + 89.7% Turkmen_Uzbekistan" "3.9354"
[16,] "11.4% PL_Warmia-Masuria + 88.6% Turkmen_Uzbekistan" "3.9712"
[17,] "11.6% PL_Mazovia + 88.4% Turkmen_Uzbekistan" "3.9747"
[18,] "31.2% Karakalpak + 68.8% Tajik_Tajikistan" "3.9772"
[19,] "11.5% Belorussian + 88.5% Turkmen_Uzbekistan" "3.9883"
[20,] "87.7% Turkmen_Uzbekistan + 12.3% Veps" "3.9966"
[21,] "42.3% Crimean_Tatar_Steppe + 57.7% Tajik_Tajikistan" "4.0005"
[22,] "11.8% Mordovian + 88.2% Turkmen_Uzbekistan" "4.0109"
[23,] "11.7% Rus_Tver + 88.3% Turkmen_Uzbekistan" "4.0218"
[24,] "10.2% Finnish_East + 89.8% Turkmen_Uzbekistan" "4.0225"
[25,] "12% Sorb_Lusatia + 88% Turkmen_Uzbekistan" "4.0283"
[26,] "11.3% Rus_North_Dvina + 88.7% Turkmen_Uzbekistan" "4.0572"
[27,] "55.7% Crimean_Tatar_Steppe + 44.3% Tajik_Herat" "4.0812"
[28,] "88% Turkmen_Uzbekistan + 12% Ukrainian" "4.0849"
[29,] "12% PL_GreaterPoland + 88% Turkmen_Uzbekistan" "4.0866"
[30,] "29% Pamiri_Rushan + 71% Uzbek" "4.0964"
[31,] "11.2% Rus_Pinega + 88.8% Turkmen_Uzbekistan" "4.1017"
[32,] "54.2% Uzbeks + 45.8% Yagnobi" "4.118"
[33,] "40.6% Tajik_Tajikistan + 59.4% Uzbek" "4.1217"
[34,] "13.4% Komi + 86.6% Turkmen_Uzbekistan" "4.2463"
[35,] "11.3% Swedish + 88.7% Turkmen_Uzbekistan" "4.2505"
[36,] "36.3% Bashkir + 63.7% Turkmen" "4.2587"
[37,] "12.4% Slovak + 87.6% Turkmen_Uzbekistan" "4.301"
[38,] "11.9% German + 88.1% Turkmen_Uzbekistan" "4.387"
[39,] "21.9% Tabasaran + 78.1% Uzbek" "4.3922"
[40,] "11.3% Icelandic + 88.7% Turkmen_Uzbekistan" "4.393"
[41,] "47.6% Bashkir + 52.4% Iran_Khorasan" "4.4061"
[42,] "28.9% Pamiri_Shughnan + 71.1% Uzbek" "4.4227"
[43,] "25.8% Pamiri_Rushan + 74.2% Turkmen_Uzbekistan" "4.4255"
[44,] "17.3% Tatar_Kazan + 82.7% Turkmen_Uzbekistan" "4.451"
[45,] "37.1% Bashkir + 62.9% Turkmen_Iran" "4.457"
[46,] "25.2% Mongol + 74.8% Yagnobi" "4.4934"
[47,] "25.2% Kazakh + 74.8% Tajik_Tajikistan" "4.5003"
[48,] "21.1% Dargin + 78.9% Uzbek" "4.5181"
[49,] "26% Pamiri_Shughnan + 74% Turkmen_Uzbekistan" "4.5189"
[50,] "20.6% Oroqen + 79.4% Yagnobi" "4.5248"
[51,] "21.4% Avar + 78.6% Uzbek" "4.5415"
[52,] "12.3% Hungarians + 87.7% Turkmen_Uzbekistan" "4.6096"
[53,] "10.9% Dutch + 89.1% Turkmen_Uzbekistan" "4.6738"
[54,] "11.3% Mixed_NW_Euro + 88.7% Turkmen_Uzbekistan" "4.6785"
[55,] "21.1% Lezgin + 78.9% Uzbek" "4.6861"
[56,] "11% Irish + 89% Turkmen_Uzbekistan" "4.6887"
[57,] "11% Irish + 89% Turkmen_Uzbekistan" "4.6907"
[58,] "11.1% English_North + 88.9% Turkmen_Uzbekistan" "4.7475"
[59,] "12.3% Slovenian + 87.7% Turkmen_Uzbekistan" "4.7524"
[60,] "85.5% Turkmen_Uzbekistan + 14.5% Udmurt" "4.7616"
[61,] "20.4% Lak + 79.6% Uzbek" "4.7655"
[62,] "11.1% English_mixed + 88.9% Turkmen_Uzbekistan" "4.8556"
[63,] "11.2% English_South + 88.8% Turkmen_Uzbekistan" "4.8602"
[64,] "22.9% Qumuq + 77.1% Uzbek" "4.8736"
[65,] "14.3% Chuvash + 85.7% Turkmen_Uzbekistan" "4.8916"
[66,] "12.6% Croat + 87.4% Turkmen_Uzbekistan" "4.9729"
[67,] "12.9% Bosnian + 87.1% Turkmen_Uzbekistan" "5.0093"
[68,] "13.2% MD_North + 86.8% Turkmen_Uzbekistan" "5.0194"
[69,] "65.8% Crimean_Tatar_Steppe + 34.2% Tajik_Panjshir&Kapisa" "5.0259"
[70,] "62.9% Crimean_Tatar_Steppe + 37.1% Pashtun_Kandahar" "5.1484"
[71,] "13.6% HUN_Szekely + 86.4% Turkmen_Uzbekistan" "5.1628"
[72,] "21.9% Kyrgyz_Bishkek + 78.1% Tajik_Tajikistan" "5.1668"
[73,] "22.9% Buryat + 77.1% Yagnobi" "5.1693"
[74,] "61.2% Crimean_Tatar_Steppe + 38.8% Tajik_Kabul" "5.1776"
[75,] "22.6% Kyrgyz + 77.4% Tajik_Tajikistan" "5.2182"
[76,] "67.2% Crimean_Tatar_Steppe + 32.8% Iran_Bandari" "5.2221"
[77,] "75% Turkmen_Uzbekistan + 25% Yagnobi" "5.2504"
[78,] "57.7% Tajik_Tajikistan + 42.3% Uzbeks" "5.2792"
[79,] "11.5% Bavarian_German + 88.5% Turkmen_Uzbekistan" "5.2807"
[80,] "13.4% MD_Center + 86.6% Turkmen_Uzbekistan" "5.2808"
[81,] "22.2% Pamiri_Ishkashim + 77.8% Turkmen_Uzbekistan" "5.3169"
[82,] "12.8% Mari + 87.2% Turkmen_Uzbekistan" "5.3295"
[83,] "34.8% Tajik_Tajikistan + 65.2% Turkmen_Uzbekistan" "5.36"
[84,] "30.6% Tajiks + 69.4% Uzbek" "5.3617"
[85,] "42.8% Bashkir + 57.2% Tajik_Herat" "5.3719"
[86,] "12.6% Serb + 87.4% Turkmen_Uzbekistan" "5.399"
[87,] "19.4% Daur + 80.6% Yagnobi" "5.4023"
[88,] "25.1% Pamiri_Ishkashim + 74.9% Uzbek" "5.4087"
[89,] "17.2% Kalmyk + 82.8% Tajik_Tajikistan" "5.4842"
[90,] "18.7% Azerbaijani_Dagestan + 81.3% Uzbek" "5.5058"
[91,] "29.3% Bashkir + 70.7% Tajik_Tajikistan" "5.6013"
[92,] "42.8% Uyghur + 57.2% Yagnobi" "5.6161"
[93,] "54.3% Bashkir + 45.7% Iranian_Fars" "5.6355"
[94,] "17.4% Chechen + 82.6% Uzbek" "5.6371"
[95,] "9.6% French2 + 90.4% Turkmen_Uzbekistan" "5.6403"
[96,] "25.5% Tajik_Herat + 74.5% Uzbek" "5.6429"
[97,] "18.6% Turk_Deliorman + 81.4% Uzbek" "5.695"
[98,] "9.4% French + 90.6% Turkmen_Uzbekistan" "5.6952"
[99,] "19.4% Turk_Trakya + 80.6% Uzbek" "5.7023"
[100,] "16.1% MD_Gagauz + 83.9% Uzbek" "5.7193"


Considering we know one part of the family is connected to Iran(confirmed by 23andme region assignments), I believe most of these oracles are noice. Like, Yagnobi can be proxy for actual Khorasan Turks which reference lacks in K12b SS yet carry an equal amount of EE, and Iranian admixture. In this sense, your Iranian part looks like actually from Khorasan to me instead of Azerbaijani Turk. Besides being from Khorasan, considering you got Golestan and all Khorasan regions which are hotspots for Turkmen settlements, it is more likely that your ancestor was a Turkmen, not Turk. In addition to that thesis, a Khorasan Turk would get random Turkish regions from Eastern Anatolia, while you got none. And the last addition is your haplogroup, which known as a Turkmen haplogroup from Turkestan to Anatolia.

Moreover, as your admixture seem to be closer to Turkmens from Uzbekistan in the single population ranking, we need another population that makes you shift to Central Asian. So, we expect a more Mongoloid/Steppe breakdown in the 2nd component.


So, here are the chances IMO:

Turks and Turkmens are separate ethnic groups.

1- Khorasan Turkmen + Uzbek(Karakalpak? Uzbek? Turkmen from Uzbekistan?)
2- Khorasan Turkmen + Afghan Turkmen
3- Khorasan Turkmen + Crimean Tatar
4- Khorasan Turkmen + Bashkir, Tatar(Kazan), Chuvash

Simulated scores versus you:

I couldn't simulate Afghan Turkmen + Iranian Turkmen admixture as there is no Afghan Turkmen reference in SS. It is also likely.

https://i.ibb.co/xzBv0y2/Ads-z.png


Distance to: X
6.25483613 Turkmen_CrimeanTatar
6.58237609 Turkmen_Bashkir
7.03346465 Turkmen_Uzbek
7.03346465 Turkmen_Astrakhan
9.40402175 Turkmen_Karakalpak
9.62932760 Turkmen_UzbTurk
10.90709861 Turkmen_Tatar_Kazan
12.89618645 Turkmen_Chuvash
14.73832589 Turkmen_Nogay

[Kyp]

Here an explanation for your regions on 23andme

Strong:
Golestan: Turkmen majority area, Turkish/Azerbaijani, Persian, Mazandarani minority
North Khorasan: mixed area Turkish/Azerbaijani, Kurdish, Persian, Turkmen

Medium:
South Khorasan: Persian majority, Afghan minority
Tehran: I think it's the basic North Iranian region for 23andme, people get it as region because Tehran population is from all over Iran rather than having ancestry from Tehran.
East Azerbaijan: Azerbaijani majority
Western Turkey: Turkish

Weak:
Zanjan: Azerbaijani/Afshar

[Leto]

Let's see his Eurogenes K13, HarappaWorld, MDLP K23b.

[Python11]

Let's see his Eurogenes K13, HarappaWorld, MDLP K23b.


Looks like you are Turkmen from Iran rather than Turkish my friend

If you could send me your kitnumber I could look for your matches and probably pinpoint your ancestry a bit.

Ok guys, I am making a new GEDmatch now. I will be posting all the stuff requested ASAP

[Python11]

The data posted above doesn't appear to be 23&Me results. Their percentages should add up to 100%. Please post your actaul 23&Me percentages.

I don’t know what you mean, maybe because of unassigned percentage? Or 23andMe error?
81.4% West Asia North Africa + 17.9% South Asia Central Asia + 0.5% North Asia + 0.2% Unassigned, should be 100%?

[Leto]

Ok guys, I am making a new GEDmatch now. I will be posting all the stuff requested ASAP
What do you look like? Is the East Eurasian/Mongoloid apparent in your phenotype?

[ShieldWolf]

I don’t know what you mean, maybe because of unassigned percentage? Or 23andMe error?
81.4% West Asia North Africa + 17.9% South Asia Central Asia + 0.5% North Asia + 0.2% Unassigned, should be 100%?
Those are the numbers I was wanting. Thanks.

[Python11]

What do you look like? Is the East Eurasian/Mongoloid apparent in your phenotype?

I don’t think so, I am mostly Caucasian looking. My skin is quite tan however, and I have very black eyes. Many people think I am part native or quarter native, which I think makes sense except for my usually red facial hair, lol

[Leto]

It's interesting that the OP doesn't get any European. With Dodecad results like that he should have scored at least some, no?

[Kyp]

I don’t think so, I am mostly Caucasian looking. My skin is quite tan however, and I have very black eyes. Many people think I am part native or quarter native, which I think makes sense except for my usually red facial hair, lol

Do you get regions for Central Asia?

[Python11]

Do you get regions for Central Asia?

No just 17.9% Central Asian no country or regions like iran etc

[ShieldWolf]

I don’t know what you mean, maybe because of unassigned percentage? Or 23andMe error?
81.4% West Asia North Africa + 17.9% South Asia Central Asia + 0.5% North Asia + 0.2% Unassigned, should be 100%?
These numbers seem consistent with known paternal Turkish ancestry and unknown maternal ancestry. West Asia includes Anatolia (i.e., Turkey) and you scored 81.4%.

[Zoro]

Hello, I am from Canada but I was adopted. I know that my genetic father is Turkish Iranian but I don't know my mother. I have my DNA test result and I have purchased a DNA coordinate from G25 Davidski Eurogenes but I do not know how to use it either. I am confused with my DNA test because I only got 4% of Turkey. This is my 23andMe, if anyone can help me figure out my ancestry I will be grateful

81.4% West Asia North Africa
81.1% North West Asia
77.0% Iran, Caucasus, Mesopotamia
4.1% Anatolia
0.3% Broadly West Asia North Africa

17.9% South Asia Central Asia
17.9% Central Asia

0.5% North Asia
0.4% Siberia
0.1% Broadly North Asia

0.2% Unassigned

Does it mean I am only 4% Turkish mostly Iranian? What is the other half?
Also, I have the coordinates but don't know how to use them. Where should I put it?


Can you post a picture of your 23andme Ancestry Composition Chromosome Painting and Ancestry timeline

[Python11]

Let's see his Eurogenes K13, HarappaWorld, MDLP K23b.

Ok, it is working. Here are the ones you asked. Is it possible that I have the legit Native ancestry? Or Australian?

Eurogenes K13
Population
North_Atlantic 8.36 Pct
Baltic 11.05 Pct
West_Med 4.05 Pct
West_Asian 28.94 Pct
East_Med 14.40 Pct
Red_Sea 3.43 Pct
South_Asian 10.35 Pct
East_Asian 6.44 Pct
Siberian 11.07 Pct
Amerindian 1.56 Pct
Oceanian 0.23 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 0.12 Pct

Harappaworld
Population
S-Indian 4.31 Pct
Baloch 26.09 Pct
Caucasian 27.01 Pct
NE-Euro 13.38 Pct
SE-Asian 1.11 Pct
Siberian 6.91 Pct
NE-Asian 7.69 Pct
Papuan 0.46 Pct
American 0.88 Pct
Beringian 1.13 Pct
Mediterranean 4.73 Pct
SW-Asian 6.19 Pct
San -
E-African 0.11 Pct
Pygmy -
W-African -

MDLPK23b

Population
Amerindian 0.64 Pct
Ancestral_Altaic 6.66 Pct
South_Central_Asian 20.18 Pct
Arctic 1.10 Pct
South_Indian 4.53 Pct
Australoid 0.27 Pct
Austronesian 0.49 Pct
Caucasian 22.84 Pct
Archaic_Human -
East_African -
East_Siberian 5.98 Pct
European_Early_Farmers 3.38 Pct
Khoisan 0.13 Pct
Melano_Polynesian 0.34 Pct
Archaic_African -
Near_East 4.89 Pct
North_African -
Paleo_Siberian 3.31 Pct
African_Pygmy -
South_East_Asian 3.96 Pct
Subsaharian 0.45 Pct
Tungus-Altaic 9.43 Pct
European_Hunters_Gatherers 11.42 Pct

[Python11]

Can you post a picture of your 23andme Ancestry Composition Chromosome Painting and Ancestry timeline

Where can I get those?

[Leto]

Ok, it is working. Here are the ones you asked. Is it possible that I have the legit Native ancestry? Or Australian?

Eurogenes K13
Population
North_Atlantic 8.36 Pct
Baltic 11.05 Pct
West_Med 4.05 Pct
West_Asian 28.94 Pct
East_Med 14.40 Pct
Red_Sea 3.43 Pct
South_Asian 10.35 Pct
East_Asian 6.44 Pct
Siberian 11.07 Pct
Amerindian 1.56 Pct
Oceanian 0.23 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 0.12 Pct

Harappaworld
Population
S-Indian 4.31 Pct
Baloch 26.09 Pct
Caucasian 27.01 Pct
NE-Euro 13.38 Pct
SE-Asian 1.11 Pct
Siberian 6.91 Pct
NE-Asian 7.69 Pct
Papuan 0.46 Pct
American 0.88 Pct
Beringian 1.13 Pct
Mediterranean 4.73 Pct
SW-Asian 6.19 Pct
San -
E-African 0.11 Pct
Pygmy -
W-African -

MDLPK23b

Population
Amerindian 0.64 Pct
Ancestral_Altaic 6.66 Pct
South_Central_Asian 20.18 Pct
Arctic 1.10 Pct
South_Indian 4.53 Pct
Australoid 0.27 Pct
Austronesian 0.49 Pct
Caucasian 22.84 Pct
Archaic_Human -
East_African -
East_Siberian 5.98 Pct
European_Early_Farmers 3.38 Pct
Khoisan 0.13 Pct
Melano_Polynesian 0.34 Pct
Archaic_African -
Near_East 4.89 Pct
North_African -
Paleo_Siberian 3.31 Pct
African_Pygmy -
South_East_Asian 3.96 Pct
Subsaharian 0.45 Pct
Tungus-Altaic 9.43 Pct
European_Hunters_Gatherers 11.42 Pct
Thanks. No, you don't have any native or Aboriginal.

By the way, post Dodecad k12b again, maybe back then it was messed up somehow xD

[Python11]

Thanks. No, you don't have any native or Aboriginal.

By the way, post Dodecad k12b again, maybe back then it was messed up somehow xD

Here it is, is it supposed to be different? I can't really tell which is more accurate, because of all the different names
Population
Gedrosia 20.95 Pct
Siberian 10.82 Pct
Northwest_African 0.45 Pct
Southeast_Asian 1.50 Pct
Atlantic_Med 7.56 Pct
North_European 18.96 Pct
South_Asian 4.71 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 4.51 Pct
East_Asian 12.36 Pct
Caucasus 18.18 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

[Leto]

No, looks like it's exactly the same

Your total Mongoloid according to MDLP K23b is close to one quarter. That's a hell of a lot of Turkic ancestry, more than any Turk in Turkey has!

Amerindian 0.64 Pct
Ancestral_Altaic 6.66 Pct
South_Central_Asian 20.18 Pct
Arctic 1.10 Pct
South_Indian 4.53 Pct
Australoid 0.27 Pct
Austronesian 0.49 Pct
Caucasian 22.84 Pct
Archaic_Human -
East_African -
East_Siberian 5.98 Pct
European_Early_Farmers 3.38 Pct
Khoisan 0.13 Pct
Melano_Polynesian 0.34 Pct
Archaic_African -
Near_East 4.89 Pct
North_African -
Paleo_Siberian 3.31 Pct
African_Pygmy -
South_East_Asian 3.96 Pct
Subsaharian 0.45 Pct
Tungus-Altaic 9.43 Pct
European_Hunters_Gatherers 11.42 Pct

I wish you shared your photo :)

[Leto]

Your Eurogenes Vahaduo oracle

Target: Python11
Distance: 2.2149% / 2.21487764 | ADC: 0.5x
45.4 Turkmen_Uzbekistan
34.2 Turkmen
13.2 Yagnobi
7.2 Turk_Kardzhali-West

Target: Python11
Distance: 1.1235% / 1.12349602 | ADC: 0.25x
44.0 Turkmen_Uzbekistan
27.0 Turkmen
17.6 Yagnobi
8.4 Turk_Kardzhali-West
2.0 Romani
1.0 Saudi

I do think you are at least half Turkmen.

[Zoro]

Where can I get those?

It’s right there on the same page as your ancestry composition just underneath it. You can take a screenshot. It shows a graphic of your 22 chromosomes

[Python11]

No, looks like it's exactly the same

Your total Mongoloid according to MDLP K23b is close to one quarter. That's a hell of a lot of Turkic ancestry, more than any Turk in Turkey has!

Amerindian 0.64 Pct
Ancestral_Altaic 6.66 Pct
South_Central_Asian 20.18 Pct
Arctic 1.10 Pct
South_Indian 4.53 Pct
Australoid 0.27 Pct
Austronesian 0.49 Pct
Caucasian 22.84 Pct
Archaic_Human -
East_African -
East_Siberian 5.98 Pct
European_Early_Farmers 3.38 Pct
Khoisan 0.13 Pct
Melano_Polynesian 0.34 Pct
Archaic_African -
Near_East 4.89 Pct
North_African -
Paleo_Siberian 3.31 Pct
African_Pygmy -
South_East_Asian 3.96 Pct
Subsaharian 0.45 Pct
Tungus-Altaic 9.43 Pct
European_Hunters_Gatherers 11.42 Pct

I wish you shared your photo :)

Thats interesting, thanks. Like I said before, I really do not look Mongolian at all, my eyes are pretty much the same as other Caucasian people except for my very dark brown / black Irises. Maybe later I can PM you a photo

[Python11]

It’s right there on the same page as your ancestry composition just underneath it. You can take a screenshot. It shows a graphic of your 22 chromosomes

I think you mean these?

https://i.ibb.co/RY5strX/Screen-Shot-2020-10-29-at-9-25-46-AM.png

https://i.ibb.co/R4q77NX/Screen-Shot-2020-10-29-at-11-38-19-AM.png

[Chaos One]

I made the average for Turkmens from Afghanistan.

Turkmen_Afghanistan,16.85,18.03,0.20,0.44,5.52,16. 12,4.35,0.19,2.13,18.83,17.29,0.07

Gedrosian: 16.85
Siberian: 18.03
Northwest_African: 0.20
Southeast_Asian: 0.44
Atlantic_Med: 5.52
North_European: 16.12
South_Asian: 4.35
East_African: 0.19
Southwest_Asian: 2.13
East_Asian: 18.83
Caucasus: 17.29
Sub_Saharan: 0.07

Those East Eurasian numbers are too high for him. I'm prone to say he's a Iranian/Azeri + Turkmen mix, not an Afghan Turkmen or any other Central Asian group alone.

[Kyp]

Those East Eurasian numbers are too high for him. I'm prone to say he's a Iranian/Azeri + Turkmen mix, not an Afghan Turkmen or any other Central Asian group alone.

Okay but his East Eurasian is higher than the Turkmenistan and Iranian Turkmen average. I think he is Iranian Turkmen + something else.

[Dr_Maul]

Post Eurogenes K15. Also, I really would not see a full Central Asian or Turkmen scoring Istanbul. I think you have either legit Turkish ancestry or Azeri.

[Rgvgjhvv]

Leto faps to Mongol %

[Python11]

Post Eurogenes K15. Also, I really would not see a full Central Asian or Turkmen scoring Istanbul. I think you have either legit Turkish ancestry or Azeri.

Population
North_Sea 5.60 Pct
Atlantic 3.93 Pct
Baltic 6.63 Pct
Eastern_Euro 10.89 Pct
West_Med 1.73 Pct
West_Asian 27.31 Pct
East_Med 15.70 Pct
Red_Sea 2.23 Pct
South_Asian 7.83 Pct
Southeast_Asian 5.96 Pct
Siberian 10.56 Pct
Amerindian 1.10 Pct
Oceanian 0.25 Pct
Northeast_African 0.28 Pct
Sub-Saharan -

[Leto]

Leto faps to Mongol %
That's wrong. It's just interesting. I'm not a fan of Far Eastern Asians personally but in some instances I do find it interesting and also a bit funny (on Reddit they freaked out when I used the term Mongoloid).

I'm interested in how Mongoloid manifests itself phenotype-wise because I come from a country where it may or may not be visible in some way.

[Dr_Maul]

Population
North_Sea 5.60 Pct
Atlantic 3.93 Pct
Baltic 6.63 Pct
Eastern_Euro 10.89 Pct
West_Med 1.73 Pct
West_Asian 27.31 Pct
East_Med 15.70 Pct
Red_Sea 2.23 Pct
South_Asian 7.83 Pct
Southeast_Asian 5.96 Pct
Siberian 10.56 Pct
Amerindian 1.10 Pct
Oceanian 0.25 Pct
Northeast_African 0.28 Pct
Sub-Saharan -

I’m not certain but I’m pretty sure full Central Asians would be scoring that amount of Med ancestry. I think you may be 25% Turkish or Azeri, maybe even Persian or something

[Rgvgjhvv]

Population
North_Sea 5.60 Pct
Atlantic 3.93 Pct
Baltic 6.63 Pct
Eastern_Euro 10.89 Pct
West_Med 1.73 Pct
West_Asian 27.31 Pct
East_Med 15.70 Pct
Red_Sea 2.23 Pct
South_Asian 7.83 Pct
Southeast_Asian 5.96 Pct
Siberian 10.56 Pct
Amerindian 1.10 Pct
Oceanian 0.25 Pct
Northeast_African 0.28 Pct
Sub-Saharan -

Can you include your single and mixed population oracles as well?

[Python11]

Can you include your single and mixed population oracles as well?

Which is that?

[Rgvgjhvv]

Which is that?

Under where you see your individual components, you will see a button that says "Oracle". It will show you which populations you are genetically closest to. You can also do this with every calculator, and sometimes they will show you different results so it's good to see them all before making any definitive claims.

[Leto]

Click "Oracle".

[Python11]

Eurogenes K13
Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Turkmen 8.92
2 Nogay 11.19
3 Aghan_Tadjik 12.28
4 Tadjik 13.21
5 Afghan_Turkmen 17.59
6 Kumyk 17.65
7 Aghan_Hazara 19.4
8 Azeri 19.72
9 Uzbeki 19.81
10 Kabardin 20
11 Balkar 20.45
12 Turkish 21.05
13 Chechen 22.24
14 Afghan_Pashtun 22.49
15 Adygei 22.83
16 Lezgin 23.05
17 Tabassaran 23.07
18 North_Ossetian 23.39
19 Iranian 23.69
20 Ossetian 23.7

[RatCat]

Eurogenes K13
Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Turkmen 8.92
2 Nogay 11.19
3 Aghan_Tadjik 12.28
4 Tadjik 13.21
5 Afghan_Turkmen 17.59
6 Kumyk 17.65
7 Aghan_Hazara 19.4
8 Azeri 19.72
9 Uzbeki 19.81
10 Kabardin 20
11 Balkar 20.45
12 Turkish 21.05
13 Chechen 22.24
14 Afghan_Pashtun 22.49
15 Adygei 22.83
16 Lezgin 23.05
17 Tabassaran 23.07
18 North_Ossetian 23.39
19 Iranian 23.69
20 Ossetian 23.7

Post all oracles from dodead k12b and eurogenes k13 not only single population but mixed population etc.
Your distances are high in single population, you are probably mixed.

[Leto]

You can just share your kit number, Python :)
Looking at your match list is also important (one to many comparison). Maybe there are some Muslim or Turkish sounding names among your immediate matches.

[Python11]

Hard to keep up with all these posts lol
I will not share my kit yet, it has my personal info. But I will make a post here with all of my oracles
Here is the mixed mode for the K13
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 85.8% Turkmen + 14.2% Nogai @ 5.11
2 86.1% Turkmen + 13.9% Tatar @ 5.13
3 85.3% Turkmen + 14.7% Tatar @ 5.17
4 75.5% Tadjik + 24.5% Uygur @ 5.19
5 86% Uzbeki + 14% Chechen @ 5.2
6 75.9% Tadjik + 24.1% Uygur @ 5.28
7 87.3% Turkmen + 12.7% Chechen @ 5.32
8 87.6% Turkmen + 12.4% Lezgin @ 5.33
9 76.7% Tadjik + 23.3% Nogay @ 5.34
10 87.5% Turkmen + 12.5% Adygei @ 5.35
11 76.2% Tadjik + 23.8% Uzbeki @ 5.35
12 96.1% Afghan_Turkmen + 3.9% Romanian @ 5.36
13 86.4% Turkmen + 13.6% Kabardin @ 5.37
14 90.6% Afghan_Turkmen + 9.4% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 5.4
15 89.1% Hazara + 10.9% Bulgarian @ 5.41
16 86.2% Turkmen + 13.8% Mongolian @ 5.41
17 73.9% Uzbeki + 26.1% Tadjik @ 5.46
18 90.8% Turkmen + 9.2% Southwest_Russian @ 5.47
19 90.5% Turkmen + 9.5% Erzya @ 5.5
20 89.6% Turkmen + 10.4% Moldavian @ 5.5

[Python11]

Also I will just do these using the Vahaduo calculators because I already have my coordinates saved, and I assume the 'updated spreadsheet' is more accurate?

K15
Distance to: Michael
8.90103365 Turkmen
11.51842003 Nogay
13.75782686 Turkish_Balikesir
14.41107907 Turkish_Aydin
14.46631605 Afghan_Tadjik
14.47045611 Afghan_Uzbeki
14.77811219 Tadjik
18.36217852 Azeri_Dagestan
18.43848692 Afghan_Turkmen
18.62398991 Azerbaijani
19.53004096 Turkish_Anatolia
19.80188375 Turkish_Kayseri
19.83844752 Kumyk
20.06540804 Turkish_Adana
20.98633365 Iranian_Persian
21.54258573 Kabardin
21.74340130 Afghan_Hazara
21.79934403 Uzbeki
22.23299350 Lezgin
22.31344438 Balkar
22.36007603 Iranian_Bandari
22.65195797 Tabassaran
23.44237616 Iranian_Lur
23.85252188 Iranian_Mazandarani
23.87863690 Afghan_Pashtun

Harappaworld
Distance to: Michael
4.73153252 Turkmen
6.81273073 Tajik_Ayni
7.52916994 Turkmen_Iran
7.54755590 Tajik_Hisor
9.66140259 Tajik_Kulo
10.11492462 Tajik_Tajikistan
10.90468707 Iranian_Mashhad
10.92405602 Tajik_Herat
11.30719240 Uzbek_North_Afghanistan
11.53012142 Tajik_North_Afghanistan
11.80493541 Tajik_Shia&Qizilbash
12.09396130 Yaghnobi
14.69214416 Turkmen_North_Afghanistan
15.13404440 Iranian_Kerman
15.85240991 Pashtun_North_Afghanistan
16.20477707 Pamiri_Rushan
16.33377482 Pamiri_Shughnan
17.05223739 Pashtun_Kandahar
17.16291642 Iranian_Shiraz
17.26977417 Pamiri_Ishkashim
18.12494690 Azerbaijani_Iran
18.19073665 Iranian_Bandari
18.24813689 Nogai
18.44281703 Tajik_Kabul
18.54500741 Azerbaijani_Rep

MDLPK23B
Distance to: Michael
7.85303763 Turkmen_Uzbekistan
13.17908191 Tajik_Afghan
13.23640057 Uzbek
13.32032657 Tajik_Tajikistan
14.40008681 Turkmen_Afghan
14.90834330 Uzbek_Afghan
16.32669899 Nogai
17.69511515 Uygur-Han
18.17256173 Tajik_Yagnobi
18.46722773 Tajik_Pomiri_Rushan
19.55434734 Turk_West
19.70034010 Turk_Northwest
19.74483224 Turk_South
20.30727210 Tajik_Pomiri_Shugnan
21.06966777 Turks_Anatolia
21.66495557 Uygur
21.69217370 Tajik_Pomiri_Ishkashim
21.70424843 Iranian_Fars
21.70967296 Crimean_Tatar_Step
21.82946403 Iranian
21.87303820 Turkey_Azeri
21.91448151 Stalskoe_Kumyk
22.02978211 Azeri_Iran
22.09038479 Karakalpak
22.24714813 Turk_Central

MDLPWORLD22
Distance to: Michael
10.03627919 Turkmen
12.61578773 Nogai
13.60807113 Kumyk
14.37089420 Cirkassian
14.49168727 Tadjik
15.11909720 Turk
15.33471226 Azeri
16.12819271 Balkarian
16.56982800 Kabardinian
17.24165305 Tatar_Crim
17.36466527 Adygei
18.60774032 NorthOssetian
18.62388520 Greek_Azov
19.00443632 Iranian
19.29529995 Chechen
19.63879579 Kurd
20.12011680 Georgian
21.19965802 Lezgin
21.29103098 Ossetian
21.29243997 Tabassaran
21.53639710 Pashtun
22.10279394 Lak
22.17391035 Uzbek
23.19656440 Parsi
23.30018455 Jew-Uzbekistan

[Dr_Maul]

Also I will just do these using the Vahaduo calculators because I already have my coordinates saved, and I assume the 'updated spreadsheet' is more accurate?

You can do mixed mode on Vahaduo as well, like how Kaspias did it

[Python11]

You can do mixed mode on Vahaduo as well, like how Kaspias did it

Really? how?

[Dr_Maul]

Really? how?

I personally am not sure, but I assume a lot of people here will know just ask around

[Leto]

Your Harappa oracle (original spreadsheet)

Target: Python11
Distance: 2.0048% / 2.00477529 | ADC: 0.5x
78.6 turkmen
18.8 tajik
2.6 hungarian

Target: Python11
Distance: 1.3884% / 1.38835260 | ADC: 0.25x
78.4 turkmen
17.0 tajik
2.4 utahn-white
1.8 chuvash
0.4 hungarian

And this is updated

Target: Python11
Distance: 2.1132% / 2.11318596 | ADC: 0.5x
63.0 Turkmen
37.0 Tajik_Ayni

Target: Python11
Distance: 1.5995% / 1.59945379 | ADC: 0.25x
67.0 Turkmen
29.6 Tajik_Ayni
1.4 Chuvash
1.0 Utahn_White2
0.6 Yaghnobi
0.4 Bedouin

I think you safely can put Turkmen in your profile :)

[Kyp]

Your YDNA and autosomal DNA aswell as the regions you got from 23andme points to: TURKMEN from Iran

For more precise analysis the matches need to be looked at

[Zoro]

I think you mean these?

https://i.ibb.co/RY5strX/Screen-Shot-2020-10-29-at-9-25-46-AM.png

https://i.ibb.co/R4q77NX/Screen-Shot-2020-10-29-at-11-38-19-AM.png

23andme’s C Asia is very similar to their W Asia. That’s why you have full chromosomes of either W or C Asia but your 23andme results are not lining up with your Gedmatch.

For example i score more E Asian and European than you on 23andme (granted you have a little more C Asian than me on 23andme but that wouldn’t be nearly enough)yet you have quite a bit higher European and E Asian than me on Gedmatch. That’s why i have a hard time making sense of your 23andme results.

[Leto]

Your YDNA and autosomal DNA aswell as the regions you got from 23andme points to: TURKMEN from Iran
He needs to order a copy of Ruhnama by Saparmurat Niyazov aka Türkmenbaşy
https://turcanin.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/saparmurat-niazov-turkmenistan-foto-nursemyra-wordpress-com_.jpg

[Python11]

Your YDNA and autosomal DNA aswell as the regions you got from 23andme points to: TURKMEN from Iran

For more precise analysis the matches need to be looked at



I think you safely can put Turkmen in your profile :)

Wow thats very cool guys. Almost surreal to genuinely know now lol. Guess I will be spending the next few days figuring out everything that there is to know about Turkmens, haha.
Now to think about all the people I misled during my life referring to myself as originally Iranian and Turkish...

[Python11]

23andme’s C Asia is very similar to their W Asia. That’s why you have full chromosomes of either W or C Asia but your 23andme results are not lining up with your Gedmatch.

For example i score more E Asian and European than you on 23andme (granted you have a little more C Asian than me on 23andme but that wouldn’t be nearly enough)yet you have quite a bit higher European and E Asian than me on Gedmatch. That’s why i have a hard time making sense of your 23andme results.

Thats interesting, I guess 23andme is more based off your nations than overall genetics

[Kyp]

Wow thats very cool guys. Almost surreal to genuinely know now lol. Guess I will be spending the next few days figuring out everything that there is to know about Turkmens, haha.
Now to think about all the people I misled during my life referring to myself as originally Iranian and Turkish...

Iranian is a nationality not ethnicity so you're not wrong in saying it. And you are a Turk. But I wouldn't take it for 100% yet.

[xripkan]

You seem indeed Turkmen with some extra Iranic input.

[Leto]

Wow thats very cool guys. Almost surreal to genuinely know now lol. Guess I will be spending the next few days figuring out everything that there is to know about Turkmens, haha.
Now to think about all the people I misled during my life referring to myself as originally Iranian and Turkish...
Well, Turkmens have Iranian blood among other things and they also live in Northeastern Iran. And Turks are closely related to Turkmens by language and culture.

[Kyp]

He needs to order a copy of Ruhnama by Saparmurat Niyazov aka Türkmenbaşy
https://turcanin.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/saparmurat-niazov-turkmenistan-foto-nursemyra-wordpress-com_.jpg

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/news/2019/09/22/TELEMMGLPICT000210409025-xlarge_trans_NvBQzQNjv4BqpVlberWd9EgFPZtcLiMQfyf2A 9a6I9YchsjMeADBa08.jpeg

[Zoro]

Thats interesting, I guess 23andme is more based off your nations than overall genetics

Yeah their methods are weird and don’t really help people understand how similar they are to their neighbors. By manipulation they create artificial boundaries between neighbors!

[Dr_Maul]

This guy is the real KaraBoga

[Leto]

@Python11
here is the thread for Dodecad results from all over Western and Central Asia
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?334700-Dodecad-k12b-West-Central-amp-South-Asian-results-Vol-3
We use Vahaduo oracles.

[Zoro]

You seem indeed Turkmen with some extra Iranic input.

Well his 23andme are actually expected for kurds from khorasan because Turkmen 23andme are very different but his gedmatch are more for turkmen

[Python11]

Thank you everyone for your help. Today was a great day, its time for me to learn the ways of the Turkmen people!

[Kyp]

Well his 23andme are actually expected for kurds from khorasan because Turkmen 23andme are very different but his gedmatch are more for turkmen

Nah Kurds wouldn't score 20% Central Asian on 23andme

[Nurzat]

...

did you post your G25 coords? I can check you against the modern individuals scaled sheet on vahaduo PCA and see where you end up. you can PM me your coords or link the post if you posted it.

[Python11]

did you post your G25 coords? I can check you against the modern individuals scaled sheet on vahaduo PCA and see where you end up. you can PM me your coords or link the post if you posted it.

Python,0.088765375,0.01128355,-0.021368925,-0.000715525,-0.037798625,0.00537955,0.007587075,0.00266255,-0.0223367,-0.015059975,-0.006497,-0.001048425,-0.000749575,-0.003432575,0.00353075,0.009822925,0.000042375,-0.000847325,0.002542125,-0.005621575,-0.003661725,-0.0051727,-0.000996825,0.0019761,0.002859925

[Zoro]

Nah Kurds wouldn't score 20% Central Asian on 23andme
The ones from Khorasan would since they have absorbed some admixture from their neighbors over the last 500 years. You can even see that and some of their phenotypes.

BTW how can you say that When you haven’t seen any kurd Khorasan results. You would have to see at least20 of them before you can make such a claim

Even though there may not be any kurd results from Khorasan you may be able to find one or two general ones from Khorasan

[Nurzat]

...


closest individuals to you (distance under 0.05):


Distance to: Python
0.02653852 Turkmen:TUR051
0.02816183 Turkmen:TUR043
0.02904126 Turkmen:TUR048
0.02929919 Turkmen:TUR008
0.02958007 Turkmen:TUR035
0.02989433 Tajik:TJ-0984
0.03049150 Turkmen:TUR041
0.03128400 Tajik:TJ-0086
0.03220974 Turkmen:TUR011
0.03366422 Tajik:TJ-0486
0.03388855 Turkmen:TUR031
0.03524448 Tajik:TJ-1032
0.03530099 Tajik:TJ-0091
0.03586197 Tajik:TJ-0155
0.03653640 Tajik:TJ-0484
0.03667231 Tajik:TJ-0807
0.03833553 Tajik:TJ-0982
0.03852330 Tajik:TJ-0796
0.03897972 Tajik:TJ-0080
0.03945927 Tajik:TJ-0798
0.03947158 Tajik:TJ-1041
0.04055973 Turkmen_Uzbekistan:UZB101_turkmen
0.04070142 Tajik:TJ-0688
0.04227016 Turkmen:TUR042
0.04351456 Turkmen:TUR033
0.04484949 Turkmen:TUR026
0.04505618 Turkish_Southwest:Turkish_Southwest5
0.04564620 Turkish_South:Turkish_South2
0.04754369 Tajik:TJ-0574
0.04809294 Tajik:TJ-0686
0.04811507 Tajik:TJ-0495
0.04956424 Turkish_Northwest:Turkish_Northwest10
0.04969199 Tajik:TJ-0573
0.04994332 Tajik_Shugnan:tdj262_shugnan

[Edgü]

Well his 23andme are actually expected for kurds from khorasan because Turkmen 23andme are very different but his gedmatch are more for turkmen

So Kurds from Khorasan are Kurdified Turkmens ?

[Python11]

closest individuals to you (distance under 0.05):


Distance to: Python
0.02653852 Turkmen:TUR051
0.02816183 Turkmen:TUR043
0.02904126 Turkmen:TUR048
0.02929919 Turkmen:TUR008
0.02958007 Turkmen:TUR035
0.02989433 Tajik:TJ-0984
0.03049150 Turkmen:TUR041
0.03128400 Tajik:TJ-0086
0.03220974 Turkmen:TUR011
0.03366422 Tajik:TJ-0486
0.03388855 Turkmen:TUR031
0.03524448 Tajik:TJ-1032
0.03530099 Tajik:TJ-0091
0.03586197 Tajik:TJ-0155
0.03653640 Tajik:TJ-0484
0.03667231 Tajik:TJ-0807
0.03833553 Tajik:TJ-0982
0.03852330 Tajik:TJ-0796
0.03897972 Tajik:TJ-0080
0.03945927 Tajik:TJ-0798
0.03947158 Tajik:TJ-1041
0.04055973 Turkmen_Uzbekistan:UZB101_turkmen
0.04070142 Tajik:TJ-0688
0.04227016 Turkmen:TUR042
0.04351456 Turkmen:TUR033
0.04484949 Turkmen:TUR026
0.04505618 Turkish_Southwest:Turkish_Southwest5
0.04564620 Turkish_South:Turkish_South2
0.04754369 Tajik:TJ-0574
0.04809294 Tajik:TJ-0686
0.04811507 Tajik:TJ-0495
0.04956424 Turkish_Northwest:Turkish_Northwest10
0.04969199 Tajik:TJ-0573
0.04994332 Tajik_Shugnan:tdj262_shugnan

Thanks, I think I am more related to these Turkmens than the other reference ones. Because I get a high distance for those but I am closer to these

[xripkan]

Well his 23andme are actually expected for kurds from khorasan because Turkmen 23andme are very different but his gedmatch are more for turkmen

Do Khorasan Kurds score so high Central Asian? I trust gedmatch and G25 more. He seems Iranian Turkmen + a highly Steppe admixed Iranian group or Iranian+ a highly Steppe admixed Turkic group.

[Zoro]

So Kurds from Khorasan are Kurdified Turkmens ?

Some would be and some Turkified kurds and some 50/50 and any percentage in between. You have something similar in Turkey with some kurds

I just remembered that Mehtab from the youtube channel comparing farsi with other languages posted her 23andme results on her channel before the update. She’s from Mashad.

[Nurzat]

...

various models:


Target: Python
Distance: 0.1167% / 0.00116748
49.6 Turkmen
20.8 Tajik
12.2 Kurdish
7.2 Iranian_Zoroastrian
5.6 Iranian_Seyyed
2.2 Turkmen_Uzbekistan
2.0 Tajik_Rushan
0.2 Tajik_Ishkashim
0.2 Yusufzai
0.0 Iranian_Bandari
0.0 Iranian_Fars
0.0 Iranian_Lor
0.0 Iranian_Mazandarani
0.0 Kho_Singanali
0.0 Kohistani
0.0 Pashtun
0.0 Tajik_Shugnan
0.0 Tajik_Yagnobi


Target: Python
Distance: 0.1812% / 0.00181209
42.0 Turkmen
40.4 Tajik
17.6 Turkish


Target: Python
Distance: 0.1107% / 0.00110679
43.2 Turkmen
35.8 Tajik
11.0 Kurdish
10.0 Turkish

[xripkan]

Python,0.088765375,0.01128355,-0.021368925,-0.000715525,-0.037798625,0.00537955,0.007587075,0.00266255,-0.0223367,-0.015059975,-0.006497,-0.001048425,-0.000749575,-0.003432575,0.00353075,0.009822925,0.000042375,-0.000847325,0.002542125,-0.005621575,-0.003661725,-0.0051727,-0.000996825,0.0019761,0.002859925

Your mixed mode oracle based on your G25

[1,] "42.1% Azeri_Dagestan + 57.9% Turkmen" "0.0171"
[2,] "49.8% Tajik_Yagnobi + 50.2% Turkmen" "0.0174"
[3,] "57% Azeri_Dagestan + 43% Uzbek" "0.0175"
[4,] "38.6% Tabasaran + 61.4% Turkmen" "0.0181"
[5,] "62.7% Iranian_Zoroastrian + 37.3% Nogai" "0.0187"
[6,] "38.3% Iranian_Zoroastrian + 61.7% Turkmen" "0.0189"
[7,] "64% Azeri_Dagestan + 36% Hazara_Afghanistan" "0.0199"
[8,] "53.3% Iranian_Zoroastrian + 46.7% Uzbek" "0.0201"
[9,] "37.8% Avar + 62.2% Turkmen" "0.0202"
[10,] "39.6% Bashkir + 60.4% Iranian_Fars" "0.0203"
[11,] "43.2% Bashkir + 56.8% Iranian_Mazandarani" "0.0203"
[12,] "37% Kaitag + 63% Turkmen" "0.0204"
[13,] "62.3% Iranian_Zoroastrian + 37.7% Tatar_Siberian" "0.0204"
[14,] "64.6% Iranian_Fars + 35.4% Tatar_Siberian" "0.0206"
[15,] "43.3% Kumyk + 56.7% Turkmen" "0.0207"
[16,] "38% Lak + 62% Turkmen" "0.0209"
[17,] "38.1% Chechen + 61.9% Turkmen" "0.021"
[18,] "40.5% Iranian_Fars + 59.5% Turkmen" "0.0211"
[19,] "37.1% Ezid + 62.9% Turkmen" "0.0213"
[20,] "39.3% Bashkir + 60.7% Iranian_Seyyed" "0.0213"
[21,] "51.1% Kurdish + 48.9% Uzbek" "0.0214"
[22,] "52.2% Ezid + 47.8% Uzbek" "0.0214"
[23,] "36.4% Kubachinian + 63.6% Turkmen" "0.0215"
[24,] "65.9% Iranian_Zoroastrian + 34.1% Karakalpak" "0.0217"
[25,] "65% Iranian_Fars + 35% Nogai" "0.0218"
[26,] "37.8% Talysh_Azerbaijan + 62.2% Turkmen" "0.0219"
[27,] "65.5% Azeri_Dagestan + 34.5% Uygur" "0.0221"
[28,] "41.9% Bashkir + 58.1% Iranian_Zoroastrian" "0.0223"
[29,] "35.9% Kurdish + 64.1% Turkmen" "0.0224"
[30,] "53% Talysh_Azerbaijan + 47% Uzbek" "0.0226"
[31,] "61.2% Iranian_Mazandarani + 38.8% Tatar_Siberian" "0.0226"
[32,] "69.9% Iranian_Zoroastrian + 30.1% Tubalar" "0.0228"
[33,] "55.8% Iranian_Fars + 44.2% Uzbek" "0.0228"
[34,] "65.9% Azeri_Dagestan + 34.1% Hazara" "0.0228"
[35,] "36.8% Iranian_Mazandarani + 63.2% Turkmen" "0.0234"
[36,] "64.9% Iranian_Seyyed + 35.1% Tatar_Siberian" "0.0234"
[37,] "36.7% Darginian + 63.3% Turkmen" "0.0236"
[38,] "69.5% Iranian_Zoroastrian + 30.5% Kazakh" "0.0237"
[39,] "72% Iranian_Fars + 28% Tubalar" "0.0238"
[40,] "58.6% Kumyk + 41.4% Uzbek" "0.0239"
[41,] "42.2% Bashkir + 57.8% Talysh_Azerbaijan" "0.0239"
[42,] "40.5% Iranian_Seyyed + 59.5% Turkmen" "0.0239"
[43,] "38.2% Ingushian + 61.8% Turkmen" "0.0239"
[44,] "34.5% Hazara_Afghanistan + 65.5% Kumyk" "0.024"
[45,] "43% Bashkir + 57% Iranian_Lor" "0.024"
[46,] "62.1% Talysh_Azerbaijan + 37.9% Tatar_Siberian" "0.0242"
[47,] "61.4% Ezid + 38.6% Tatar_Siberian" "0.0246"
[48,] "41.7% Azeri + 58.3% Turkmen" "0.0247"
[49,] "36.8% Iranian_Lor + 63.2% Turkmen" "0.0249"
[50,] "57.3% Azeri + 42.7% Uzbek" "0.0251"
[51,] "68.2% Iranian_Fars + 31.8% Karakalpak" "0.0251"
[52,] "69.1% Ezid + 30.9% Tubalar" "0.0252"
[53,] "42.9% Kabardin + 57.1% Turkmen" "0.0252"
[54,] "61.7% Iranian_Mazandarani + 38.3% Nogai" "0.0253"
[55,] "69.5% Azeri_Dagestan + 30.5% Karakalpak" "0.0253"
[56,] "72.8% Iranian_Zoroastrian + 27.2% Khakass" "0.0254"
[57,] "60.3% Kurdish + 39.7% Tatar_Siberian" "0.0255"
[58,] "42.1% Cherkes + 57.9% Turkmen" "0.0255"
[59,] "62% Iranian_Zoroastrian + 38% Uygur" "0.0256"
[60,] "42.9% Bashkir + 57.1% Ezid" "0.0256"
[61,] "41.5% Balkar + 58.5% Turkmen" "0.0257"
[62,] "42.4% Karachay + 57.6% Turkmen" "0.0258"
[63,] "61.4% Iranian_Lor + 38.6% Tatar_Siberian" "0.0258"
[64,] "39.5% Turkish_Azer + 60.5% Turkmen" "0.0258"
[65,] "36.6% Adygei + 63.4% Turkmen" "0.0259"
[66,] "65.4% Iranian_Seyyed + 34.6% Nogai" "0.026"
[67,] "52.2% Iranian_Lor + 47.8% Uzbek" "0.026"
[68,] "72.8% Azeri_Dagestan + 27.2% Kazakh" "0.026"
[69,] "44.1% Bashkir + 55.9% Kurdish" "0.026"
[70,] "73.2% Azeri_Dagestan + 26.8% Tubalar" "0.026"
[71,] "66.5% Azeri_Dagestan + 33.5% Nogai" "0.026"
[72,] "40.4% Turkish_Istanbul + 59.6% Turkmen" "0.026"
[73,] "61.9% Ezid + 38.1% Nogai" "0.0261"
[74,] "68.1% Kurdish + 31.9% Tubalar" "0.0262"
[75,] "41.5% Circassian + 58.5% Turkmen" "0.0263"
[76,] "71.7% Iranian_Zoroastrian + 28.3% Shor" "0.0263"
[77,] "69.8% Talysh_Azerbaijan + 30.2% Tubalar" "0.0264"
[78,] "56.6% Turkish_Adana + 43.4% Uzbek" "0.0267"
[79,] "56.1% Iranian_Seyyed + 43.9% Uzbek" "0.027"
[80,] "73.7% Iranian_Fars + 26.3% Shor" "0.027"
[81,] "75.2% Iranian_Zoroastrian + 24.8% Khakass_Kachins" "0.027"
[82,] "55.2% Turkish_Azer + 44.8% Uzbek" "0.0271"
[83,] "23.8% Karakalpak + 76.2% Tajik_Yagnobi" "0.0271"
[84,] "32.6% Hazara + 67.4% Kumyk" "0.0271"
[85,] "40.8% Turkish_Adana + 59.2% Turkmen" "0.0272"
[86,] "39.4% Hazara_Afghanistan + 60.6% Iranian_Zoroastrian" "0.0272"
[87,] "12.1% Oroqen + 87.9% Tajik_Yagnobi" "0.0272"
[88,] "72.9% Iranian_Zoroastrian + 27.1% Kirghiz" "0.0272"
[89,] "43.4% Abazin + 56.6% Turkmen" "0.0273"
[90,] "76% Azeri_Dagestan + 24% Khakass" "0.0273"
[91,] "71.8% Iranian_Fars + 28.2% Kazakh" "0.0273"
[92,] "66.2% Azeri_Dagestan + 33.8% Tatar_Siberian" "0.0274"
[93,] "74.9% Iranian_Fars + 25.1% Khakass" "0.0274"
[94,] "11.7% Nanai + 88.3% Tajik_Yagnobi" "0.0274"
[95,] "62.1% Azeri + 37.9% Bashkir" "0.0274"
[96,] "12.1% Hezhen + 87.9% Tajik_Yagnobi" "0.0277"
[97,] "26.3% Nogai + 73.7% Tajik_Yagnobi" "0.0277"
[98,] "11.9% Nivh + 88.1% Tajik_Yagnobi" "0.0277"
[99,] "12.4% Daur + 87.6% Tajik_Yagnobi" "0.0277"
[100,] "31.1% Burusho + 68.9% Turkish_South" "0.0277"

[Python11]

various models:


Target: Python
Distance: 0.1167% / 0.00116748
49.6 Turkmen
20.8 Tajik
12.2 Kurdish
7.2 Iranian_Zoroastrian
5.6 Iranian_Seyyed
2.2 Turkmen_Uzbekistan
2.0 Tajik_Rushan
0.2 Tajik_Ishkashim
0.2 Yusufzai
0.0 Iranian_Bandari
0.0 Iranian_Fars
0.0 Iranian_Lor
0.0 Iranian_Mazandarani
0.0 Kho_Singanali
0.0 Kohistani
0.0 Pashtun
0.0 Tajik_Shugnan
0.0 Tajik_Yagnobi


Target: Python
Distance: 0.1812% / 0.00181209
42.0 Turkmen
40.4 Tajik
17.6 Turkish


Target: Python
Distance: 0.1107% / 0.00110679
43.2 Turkmen
35.8 Tajik
11.0 Kurdish
10.0 Turkish

Also, how can I get a good calculation for the ancient ones as well?

[Kyp]

Some would be and some Turkified kurds and some 50/50 and any percentage in between. You have something similar in Turkey with some kurds

I just remembered that Mehtab from the youtube channel comparing farsi with other languages posted her 23andme results on her channel before the update. She’s from Mashad.

Don't mix up Khorasan Turks with Turkmens.
Turkmens live mostly in Golestan where close to no Kurds live. Golestan is roughly 30% Turkmen, 30% Mazandarani and 15%Persian.

North Khorasan where most Kurds live is mostly Kurdish, Turkish (not Turkmen), Persian and Afghan.

Also please send link for Mahtab's results.

[Nurzat]

...

your PCA neighbourhood:

https://scontent.fsbz1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/122804784_176693724041119_481135702842556616_n.jpg ?_nc_cat=109&ccb=2&_nc_sid=dbeb18&_nc_ohc=5t3NBqb54uIAX-m2a_J&_nc_ht=scontent.fsbz1-1.fna&oh=6d4487c392c6a511a55a2e14105ef93f&oe=5FBEBFAA

https://scontent.fsbz1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/123163827_176693457374479_2055237415578036954_n.jp g?_nc_cat=110&ccb=2&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=4vEvpKtORkoAX8c-u4a&_nc_ht=scontent.fsbz1-1.fna&oh=7bc35d9b57e54340acf6b1fe88e6d297&oe=5FC24526

[Leto]

@Python11
The 23andme V5 chip has a really bad reputation on DNA forums because it has too few SNPs compared to the previous chips as well as other companies. I suggest you convert the data to the V3 format and see if it's significantly different. Conversion can be done through DNA Kit Studio, Kaspias who reads this thread knows precisely how to do it (I've never done myself because I'm not a 23andme client).

[Python11]

Can I also get some explanations for these ancient calculators. Which one of them is the best? Or Accurate?

Distance to: Python
0.06327835 TJK_Ksirov_H_Kushan
0.07068761 TUR_IA
0.07459084 KAZ_Molaly_LBA
0.07595485 KAZ_Wusun
0.08076991 KAZ_Kangju
0.08154962 KAZ_Turk_o
0.08501123 PAK_Udegram_MA_Ghaznavid
0.08661254 PAK_Singoor_MA
0.09171157 MDA_Cimmerian
0.09264355 Gepidian_SRB_ACD
0.09385990 Saka_Tian_Shan
0.09614232 Saka_Kazakh_steppe_o1
0.09710591 ITA_Collegno_MA_o2
0.09718602 Saka_Kazakh_steppe_o2
0.09747471 UZB_Sappali_Tepe_BA_o
0.09988521 KAZ_Taldysay_MLBA2
0.10007044 TUR_Ottoman
0.10037118 PAK_Loebanr_IA_o
0.10160816 KAZ_Tasbas_IA
0.10518786 Saka_Tian_Shan_o
0.10540747 KAZ_Nomad_IA
0.10584876 RUS_Alan_MA
0.10601226 KAZ_Chanchar2_LBA
0.10616968 Sarmatian_KAZ
0.10628353 Sarmatian_RUS_Urals

Target: Python
Distance: 3.6611% / 0.03661087 | ADC: 0.5x
45.4 Kura-Araxes_Caucasus
31.0 Early_Indoeuropean
14.2 East_Asian_HG
9.4 Sumerian

[xripkan]

Can I also get some explanations for these ancient calculators. Which one of them is the best? Or Accurate?

Distance to: Python
0.06327835 TJK_Ksirov_H_Kushan
0.07068761 TUR_IA
0.07459084 KAZ_Molaly_LBA
0.07595485 KAZ_Wusun
0.08076991 KAZ_Kangju
0.08154962 KAZ_Turk_o
0.08501123 PAK_Udegram_MA_Ghaznavid
0.08661254 PAK_Singoor_MA
0.09171157 MDA_Cimmerian
0.09264355 Gepidian_SRB_ACD
0.09385990 Saka_Tian_Shan
0.09614232 Saka_Kazakh_steppe_o1
0.09710591 ITA_Collegno_MA_o2
0.09718602 Saka_Kazakh_steppe_o2
0.09747471 UZB_Sappali_Tepe_BA_o
0.09988521 KAZ_Taldysay_MLBA2
0.10007044 TUR_Ottoman
0.10037118 PAK_Loebanr_IA_o
0.10160816 KAZ_Tasbas_IA
0.10518786 Saka_Tian_Shan_o
0.10540747 KAZ_Nomad_IA
0.10584876 RUS_Alan_MA
0.10601226 KAZ_Chanchar2_LBA
0.10616968 Sarmatian_KAZ
0.10628353 Sarmatian_RUS_Urals

Target: Python
Distance: 3.6611% / 0.03661087 | ADC: 0.5x
45.4 Kura-Araxes_Caucasus
31.0 Early_Indoeuropean
14.2 East_Asian_HG
9.4 Sumerian

Your ancient mixed mode oracle. Proper Turko-Iranic mix

[1,] "38.9% KAZ_Kipchak + 61.1% UZB_Sappali_Tepe_BA_o"
[2,] "48.1% IRN_Hajji_Firuz_IA + 51.9% KAZ_Turk"
[3,] "46% KAZ_Turk + 54% UZB_Sappali_Tepe_BA_o"
[4,] "46.3% IRN_Hasanlu_IA + 53.7% KAZ_Turk"
[5,] "49.7% IRN_Ganj_Dareh_Historic + 50.3% KAZ_Turk"
[6,] "49.3% Anatolia_Ottoman + 50.7% UZB_Sappali_Tepe_BA_o"
[7,] "58% Hun_Tian_Shan + 42% IRN_Hajji_Firuz_C"
[8,] "57.7% IRN_Hasanlu_IA + 42.3% MNG_XiongNu_WE"
[9,] "52.8% IRN_Hajji_Firuz_IA + 47.2% Scythian_Zevakino_Chilikta_IA"
[10,] "29.7% KAZ_Nomad_MA + 70.3% UZB_Sappali_Tepe_BA_o"
[11,] "57.4% IRN_Hajji_Firuz_IA + 42.6% Saka_Kazakh_steppe"
[12,] "21.6% Hun_Tian_Shan_o + 78.4% UZB_Sappali_Tepe_BA_o"
[13,] "32.7% KAZ_Karakhanid + 67.3% UZB_Sappali_Tepe_BA_o"
[14,] "50.3% IRN_Hasanlu_IA + 49.7% RUS_Nomad_MA"
[15,] "54.5% IRN_Ganj_Dareh_Historic + 45.5% Scythian_Zevakino_Chilikta_IA"
[16,] "50.4% ARM_Lchashen_MBA + 49.6% KAZ_Turk"
[17,] "55.9% KAZ_Turk + 44.1% Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kalavan"
[18,] "52.1% Hun_Tian_Shan + 47.9% IRN_Hajji_Firuz_IA"
[19,] "56.1% ARM_LBA + 43.9% KAZ_Kipchak"
[20,] "57% IRN_Ganj_Dareh_Historic + 43% KAZ_Kipchak"
[21,] "35.5% KAZ_Karluk + 64.5% UZB_Sappali_Tepe_BA_o"
[22,] "55.8% ARM_MBA + 44.2% KAZ_Kipchak"
[23,] "60.9% ARM_Lchashen_MBA + 39.1% KAZ_Karluk"
[24,] "58.1% Hun_Tian_Shan + 41.9% IRN_Seh_Gabi_C"
[25,] "57.6% ARM_Lchashen_MBA + 42.4% KAZ_Kipchak"
[26,] "57.1% IRN_Hasanlu_IA + 42.9% Scythian_Aldy_Bel_IA"
[27,] "58.6% IRN_Hajji_Firuz_IA + 41.4% MNG_Hovsgol_BA_o2"
[28,] "52.1% IRN_Hajji_Firuz_IA + 47.9% RUS_Nomad_MA"
[29,] "27.1% KAZ_Pazyryk_IA + 72.9% UZB_Sappali_Tepe_BA_o"
[30,] "53.9% Hun_Tian_Shan + 46.1% IRN_Hasanlu_IA"
[31,] "51.1% IRN_Hasanlu_IA + 48.9% Scythian_Zevakino_Chilikta_IA"
[32,] "55.7% IRN_Hasanlu_IA + 44.3% Saka_Kazakh_steppe"
[33,] "55.4% IRN_Hajji_Firuz_IA + 44.6% KAZ_Kipchak"
[34,] "37.3% Anatolia_Ottoman + 62.7% TJK_Ksirov_H_Kushan"
[35,] "30.8% CHN_Shirenzigou_IA + 69.2% UZB_Sappali_Tepe_BA_o"
[36,] "20.3% KGZ_Nomad_MA + 79.7% UZB_Sappali_Tepe_BA_o"
[37,] "52.7% IRN_Hajji_Firuz_C + 47.3% MNG_Hovsgol_BA_o2"
[38,] "11% MNG_XiongNu + 89% TJK_Ksirov_H_Kushan"
[39,] "59.1% IRN_Ganj_Dareh_Historic + 40.9% Saka_Kazakh_steppe"
[40,] "18.2% KAZ_Hun-Sarmatian + 81.8% UZB_Sappali_Tepe_BA_o"
[41,] "59.5% IRN_Hajji_Firuz_IA + 40.5% MNG_XiongNu_WE"
[42,] "65.8% ARM_Lchashen_MBA + 34.2% CHN_Shirenzigou_IA"
[43,] "28% KGZ_Turk + 72% UZB_Sappali_Tepe_BA_o"
[44,] "52.2% IRN_Hajji_Firuz_IA + 47.8% Scythian_RUS_Urals"
[45,] "51.5% IRN_Hajji_Firuz_C + 48.5% Saka_Kazakh_steppe"
[46,] "61.1% IRN_Ganj_Dareh_Historic + 38.9% MNG_XiongNu_WE"
[47,] "56.3% KAZ_Turk + 43.7% Kura-Araxes_ARM_Talin"
[48,] "63.9% Gepidian_SRB_ACD + 36.1% IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA1"
[49,] "57.1% IRN_Hasanlu_IA + 42.9% KAZ_Kimak"
[50,] "11.7% NPL_Samdzong_1500BP + 88.3% TJK_Ksirov_H_Kushan"
[51,] "64% ARM_Lchashen_MBA + 36% KAZ_Karakhanid"
[52,] "38% CHN_Shirenzigou_IA + 62% IRN_Hasanlu_IA"
[53,] "18.7% KAZ_Nomad_HP + 81.3% UZB_Sappali_Tepe_BA_o"
[54,] "61.8% ARM_Lchashen_MBA + 38.2% MNG_XiongNu_WE"
[55,] "11.3% NPL_Chokhopani_2700BP + 88.7% TJK_Ksirov_H_Kushan"
[56,] "41% Scythian_Zevakino_Chilikta_IA + 59% UZB_Sappali_Tepe_BA_o"
[57,] "53.6% IRN_Hajji_Firuz_C + 46.4% MNG_XiongNu_WE"
[58,] "46.9% IRN_Hajji_Firuz_C + 53.1% Scythian_Zevakino_Chilikta_IA"
[59,] "27.5% KAZ_Kipchak + 72.5% TJK_Ksirov_H_Kushan"
[60,] "55.5% Anatolia_Ottoman + 44.5% IRN_Hajji_Firuz_IA"
[61,] "56.9% IRN_Hasanlu_IA + 43.1% MNG_Hovsgol_BA_o2"
[62,] "65.6% Gepidian_SRB_ACD + 34.4% TKM_Tepe_Anau_En"
[63,] "46.1% IRN_Seh_Gabi_C + 53.9% Scythian_RUS_Urals"
[64,] "34.7% CHN_Shirenzigou_IA + 65.3% IRN_Ganj_Dareh_Historic"
[65,] "59.2% ARM_MBA + 40.8% KAZ_Karluk"
[66,] "55.6% Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kalavan + 44.4% MNG_XiongNu_WE"
[67,] "11.1% NPL_Mebrak_2125BP + 88.9% TJK_Ksirov_H_Kushan"
[68,] "59.5% ARM_LBA + 40.5% KAZ_Karluk"
[69,] "69.9% Gepidian_SRB_ACD + 30.1% IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N"
[70,] "50.4% Hun_Tian_Shan + 49.6% IRN_Ganj_Dareh_Historic"
[71,] "46.2% IRN_Hajji_Firuz_C + 53.8% Scythian_RUS_Urals"
[72,] "60.3% IRN_Ganj_Dareh_Historic + 39.7% MNG_Hovsgol_BA_o2"
[73,] "69.6% Gepidian_SRB_ACD + 30.4% IRN_Tepe_Abdul_Hosein_N"
[74,] "17% KAZ_Golden_Horde_Asian + 83% UZB_Sappali_Tepe_BA_o"
[75,] "48.4% ARM_MBA + 51.6% KAZ_Turk"
[76,] "10.4% RUS_Devils_Gate_Cave_N + 89.6% TJK_Ksirov_H_Kushan"
[77,] "17.2% MNG_Hovsgol_BA_o1 + 82.8% UZB_Sappali_Tepe_BA_o"
[78,] "57.4% IRN_Hajji_Firuz_IA + 42.6% RUS_Altai_IA"
[79,] "51.5% IRN_Seh_Gabi_C + 48.5% Saka_Kazakh_steppe"
[80,] "58.9% IRN_Hajji_Firuz_IA + 41.1% Scythian_Aldy_Bel_IA"
[81,] "62.5% ARM_LBA + 37.5% KAZ_Karakhanid"
[82,] "62.2% ARM_MBA + 37.8% KAZ_Karakhanid"
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[Zoro]

Don't mix up Khorasan Turks with Turkmens.
Turkmens live mostly in Golestan where close to no Kurds live. Golestan is roughly 30% Turkmen, 30% Mazandarani and 15%Persian.

North Khorasan where most Kurds live is mostly Kurdish, Turkish (not Turkmen), Persian and Afghan.

Also please send link for Mahtab's results.

Here’s the link https://youtu.be/BgNA79RXKKg

Also keep in mind that 5% C Asian is not equal to 5% E Asian. 23andme uses references from Turkmenistan and Tajiks for C Asian. They don’t care how much E Asian they have

[Python11]

Your ancient mixed mode oracle. Proper Turko-Iranic mix



Wow even 50% Scythian in some of them, thats cool thanks!

[Zoro]

oh you mean Sharzad. Yes I have her Gedmatch results too. She is paternally from Tabriz though. Also she didn't test with 23andme.

So is she 1/2 khorasani? What company results are they talking about in the video

[xripkan]

Wow even 50% Scythian in some of them, thats cool thanks!

Scythians were very heterogenous genetically. The Scythian references you score are genetically close to Central Asian Turkic peoples.

[Kyp]

So is she 1/2 khorasani? What company results are they talking about in the video

Yes. AncestryDNA I think.

[Ylla]

It seems like a typical west asian 23andme but on gedmatch you have elevated north european component for that region:confused:

[xripkan]

Using the coordinates you gave us
Target: Python
Distance: 0.0000% / 0.00000000
25.0 Iranian_Mazandarani
25.0 Tajik
25.0 Tatar_Crimean_steppe
25.0 Turkmen_Uzbekistan

It seems you found exactly your ancestry now...

[Dr_Maul]

Using the coordinates you gave us
Target: Python
Distance: 0.0000% / 0.00000000
25.0 Iranian_Mazandarani
25.0 Tajik
25.0 Tatar_Crimean_steppe
25.0 Turkmen_Uzbekistan

It seems you found exactly your ancestry now...

Bruh...

[Kaspias]

Using the coordinates you gave us
Target: Python
Distance: 0.0000% / 0.00000000
25.0 Iranian_Mazandarani
25.0 Tajik
25.0 Tatar_Crimean_steppe
25.0 Turkmen_Uzbekistan

It seems you found exactly your ancestry now...

This means that coordinate is artificial and made according to Gedmatch 4-Oracle results.

0 Distance is not likely if the person's itself is not a reference.

[xripkan]

This means that coordinate is artificial and made according to Gedmatch 4-Oracle results.

0 Distance is not likely if the person's itself is not a reference.

Probably he was trolling.

[Zoro]

Using the coordinates you gave us
Target: Python
Distance: 0.0000% / 0.00000000
25.0 Iranian_Mazandarani
25.0 Tajik
25.0 Tatar_Crimean_steppe
25.0 Turkmen_Uzbekistan

It seems you found exactly your ancestry now...

But none of these score 0 European and he scores 0 on 23andme. Almost looks like this (although I don’t have faith in G25) and gedmatch vs 23andme are results for 2 different people!

[Kaspias]

But none of these score 0 European and he scores 0 on 23andme. Almost looks like this (although I don’t have faith in G25) and gedmatch vs 23andme are results for 2 different people!

This is not a criterion. My 23andme/FTDNA/MH results vs the rest of DNA stuff are totally different, too.

[Kyp]

Troll alert

[Leto]

What if the OP is fake? :icon_ask:

[Radimir]

You are West Asian as a mofo

[Zoro]

This is not a criterion. My 23andme/FTDNA/MH results vs the rest of DNA stuff are totally different, too.

I understand that 23andme is crappy but Is the difference as stark as in this case?

For ex his Dodecad 12k;
E Asian/Siberian- 23%
S Asian- 4.7%
N European-19%

23andme:
E Asian-0.6%
C Asian-17% (not the same as 17% E Asian)
European- 0

[Kaspias]

Is the difference as stark as in this case?

For ex his Dodecad 12k;
E Asian/Siberian- 23%
S Asian- 4.7%
N European-19%

23andme:
E Asian-0.6%
C Asian-17% (not the same as 17% E Asian)
European- 0

You decide:

https://i.ibb.co/ScmWv94/Ads-z.png


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_European 26.85
2 Caucasus 25.4
3 Atlantic_Med 18.43
4 Gedrosia 8.87
5 Southwest_Asian 8.41
6 Siberian 5.92
7 East_Asian 3.06
8 Northwest_African 1.72
9 South_Asian 1.31
10 Southeast_Asian 0.01

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Bulgarian (Dodecad) 13.04
2 Romanians (Behar) 13.86
3 Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) 14.33
4 O_Italian (Dodecad) 16.94
5 Greek (Dodecad) 17.53
6 C_Italian (Dodecad) 20.38
7 Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) 20.84
8 Ashkenazi (Dodecad) 21.31
9 Tuscan (HGDP) 21.7
10 S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) 21.83
11 TSI30 (Metspalu) 21.96
12 Sicilian (Dodecad) 22.05
13 Nogais (Yunusbayev) 22.2
14 N_Italian (Dodecad) 23.05
15 Hungarians (Behar) 24.68
16 Turkish (Dodecad) 25.53
17 North_Italian (HGDP) 25.9
18 Sephardic_Jews (Behar) 25.94
19 Turks (Behar) 26.71
20 Morocco_Jews (Behar) 27.13

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 61.4% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 38.6% Chuvashs (Behar) @ 5.07
2 57.1% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 42.9% Chuvashs (Behar) @ 5.25
3 61.2% Sicilian (Dodecad) + 38.8% Chuvashs (Behar) @ 5.6
4 73.4% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 26.6% Uzbeks (Behar) @ 5.91
5 78.2% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 21.8% Hazara (HGDP) @ 6.02
6 68.3% Romanians (Behar) + 31.7% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) @ 6.03
7 67.4% Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) + 32.6% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) @ 6.13
8 62.8% Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) + 37.2% Chuvashs (Behar) @ 6.24
9 59.5% Turks (Behar) + 40.5% Swedish (Dodecad) @ 6.27
10 70.1% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 29.9% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) @ 6.28
11 59.8% Turks (Behar) + 40.2% Norwegian (Dodecad) @ 6.39
12 62.3% Ashkenazi (Dodecad) + 37.7% Chuvashs (Behar) @ 6.45
13 56% Morocco_Jews (Behar) + 44% Chuvashs (Behar) @ 6.45
14 69.4% Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) + 30.6% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) @ 6.49
15 60.7% Turkish (Dodecad) + 39.3% Swedish (Dodecad) @ 6.62
16 72.4% Romanians (Behar) + 27.6% Uzbeks (Behar) @ 6.65
17 71.6% Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) + 28.4% Uzbeks (Behar) @ 6.7
18 72.3% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 27.7% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) @ 6.86
19 76.7% Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) + 23.3% Hazara (HGDP) @ 6.87
20 77.4% Romanians (Behar) + 22.6% Hazara (HGDP) @ 6.88

[Zoro]

You decide:

https://i.ibb.co/ScmWv94/Ads-z.png


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_European 26.85
2 Caucasus 25.4
3 Atlantic_Med 18.43
4 Gedrosia 8.87
5 Southwest_Asian 8.41
6 Siberian 5.92
7 East_Asian 3.06
8 Northwest_African 1.72
9 South_Asian 1.31
10 Southeast_Asian 0.01

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Bulgarian (Dodecad) 13.04
2 Romanians (Behar) 13.86
3 Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) 14.33
4 O_Italian (Dodecad) 16.94
5 Greek (Dodecad) 17.53
6 C_Italian (Dodecad) 20.38
7 Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) 20.84
8 Ashkenazi (Dodecad) 21.31
9 Tuscan (HGDP) 21.7
10 S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) 21.83
11 TSI30 (Metspalu) 21.96
12 Sicilian (Dodecad) 22.05
13 Nogais (Yunusbayev) 22.2
14 N_Italian (Dodecad) 23.05
15 Hungarians (Behar) 24.68
16 Turkish (Dodecad) 25.53
17 North_Italian (HGDP) 25.9
18 Sephardic_Jews (Behar) 25.94
19 Turks (Behar) 26.71
20 Morocco_Jews (Behar) 27.13

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 61.4% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 38.6% Chuvashs (Behar) @ 5.07
2 57.1% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 42.9% Chuvashs (Behar) @ 5.25
3 61.2% Sicilian (Dodecad) + 38.8% Chuvashs (Behar) @ 5.6
4 73.4% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 26.6% Uzbeks (Behar) @ 5.91
5 78.2% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 21.8% Hazara (HGDP) @ 6.02
6 68.3% Romanians (Behar) + 31.7% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) @ 6.03
7 67.4% Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) + 32.6% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) @ 6.13
8 62.8% Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) + 37.2% Chuvashs (Behar) @ 6.24
9 59.5% Turks (Behar) + 40.5% Swedish (Dodecad) @ 6.27
10 70.1% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 29.9% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) @ 6.28
11 59.8% Turks (Behar) + 40.2% Norwegian (Dodecad) @ 6.39
12 62.3% Ashkenazi (Dodecad) + 37.7% Chuvashs (Behar) @ 6.45
13 56% Morocco_Jews (Behar) + 44% Chuvashs (Behar) @ 6.45
14 69.4% Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) + 30.6% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) @ 6.49
15 60.7% Turkish (Dodecad) + 39.3% Swedish (Dodecad) @ 6.62
16 72.4% Romanians (Behar) + 27.6% Uzbeks (Behar) @ 6.65
17 71.6% Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) + 28.4% Uzbeks (Behar) @ 6.7
18 72.3% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 27.7% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) @ 6.86
19 76.7% Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) + 23.3% Hazara (HGDP) @ 6.87
20 77.4% Romanians (Behar) + 22.6% Hazara (HGDP) @ 6.88


Pretty crappy but not nearly as much as his because your European/N European is 38/27 his is 0/19. Your E Asian/E Asian is maybe 1/9 his maybe 0/7 (C Asian in 23andme is all over the place because they made Afghan Tajiks and Turkmen references so if Afghan Tajik and Turkmen score 40% C Asian and Iranian scores 0 people assume that Afghan Tajiks are more similar to Turkmen than Iranians but this is misleading by 23andme
There’s also the S Asian

I’m not saying that both 23andme and dodecad are not the same person just saying the difference is pretty remarkable

[Rgvgjhvv]

Well that was fun while it lasted

[Leto]

Well that was fun while it lasted
I think people should be banned for that type of shit. We expressed genuine interest in his results and wanted to help him figure out his roots. But to me he looked a bit suspicious from the beginning.

[Jana]

But to me he looked a bit suspicious from the beginning.

Yes. To me also. TA is flooded with fake accounts and fake DNA results.

[Altaylı]

Is python fake?

[Rgvgjhvv]

I think people should be banned for that type of shit. We expressed genuine interest in his results and wanted to help him figure out his roots. But to me he looked a bit suspicious from the beginning.

What's the point of him doing that though?

[Dr_Maul]

Bruh we had really thought we found a true Karaboga for a sec damn
It was interesting while it lasted