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Rethel
10-31-2020, 01:39 AM
Retardness of personal first names in english is limitless.
Why is it so, and when it started? I would devide these moronic names on five categories:

1. Meaningless syllables like Jo, Jay, Jep aso.
2. Diminutive forms of normal names like: Tony, Jimmy, Bill, Ed etc.
3. Surnames as first names, like Harrison, McKinley, Kirk, Landon, Ormond, MacKenzee aso.
4. Geographical names like: Kimberley, Leeland, Lester, Kent etc.
5. Names of items or random words like: Fanta, Tesla*, Halo, Pharaoh, Shooter, aso.

*someone probably didn't have a surname in mind, but then category third.

The most imbecilic is probably the fifth group followed by idiotic third and moronic fourth.

I ask only: WHYYY???
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Radimir
10-31-2020, 01:42 AM
Why the need to have a middle name? I HATE THAT

stellan
10-31-2020, 02:02 AM
hahaha i agree. i've always hated anglo names

Westbrook
10-31-2020, 02:17 AM
Wow I came out to have a good time and I'm honestly feeling so attacked right now
hahaha i agree. i've always hated anglo names

stellan
10-31-2020, 02:20 AM
Wow I came out to have a good time and I'm honestly feeling so attacked right now

u should. your name probably sucks
jk no hard feelings lmao, some are decent

Trouble
10-31-2020, 02:21 AM
The English are a complete disgrace to their Indo-European forbearers.

HelloGuys
10-31-2020, 02:22 AM
Yep, that's why names like Pedro, Juan, José, etc are the best in the world

PaleoEuropean
10-31-2020, 02:24 AM
Who needs names with too many vowels when you control the world?

Trouble
10-31-2020, 02:25 AM
Agree, that's why names like Pedro, Juan, José, etc are the best of the world

Those are only slightly better.

Only Slavs and central Asians like Tajiks have kept the Indo European spirit alive.

HelloGuys
10-31-2020, 02:36 AM
Those are only slightly better.

Only Slavs and central Asians like Tajiks have kept the Indo European spirit alive.

Naa I was joking; I don't like those names either xD I was just being sarcastic xdddd

Westbrook
10-31-2020, 02:45 AM
Actually my first name isn't Anglo, it's just in my nature to try to make people feel bad or guilty at random opportunities. Wonder where that comes from.
u should. your name probably sucks
jk no hard feelings lmao, some are decent

Parça do Neymar
10-31-2020, 02:54 AM
The realest niggas are Slavs named Miroslav Slavik and Turks named Türkü Turan.

Creoda
10-31-2020, 03:28 AM
1. meaningless syllables like Jo, Jay, Jep aso;
2. diminutive forms of normal names like: Tony, Jimmy, Bill, Ed etc;
3. surnames as first names, like Harrison, McKinley, Kirk, Landon, Ormond, MacKenzee aso;
4. Geographical names like: Kimberley, Leeland, Lester, Kent etc.

1. Never met anyone called Jay or Jep, and Jo is a casual shortening of Joanna.
2. You're supposed to go round calling them Anthony, William, Edward all day? Very formal and unfriendly.
3. Never met anyone with these names
4. Those aren't really geographical names, and Kimberley is the only one you are likely to encounter.

Rethel
10-31-2020, 07:21 AM
1. Never met anyone called Jay or Jep, and Jo is a casual shortening of Joanna.

Google: Joe Biden. Jay Smith. Jeb Bush.


2. You're supposed to go round calling them Anthony, William, Edward all day? Very formal and unfriendly.

I am not talking about informal situations. I am talking about formal and offcial naming.
When guy has in his papers Tony, when guy is presented in TV as Ed, when at last he
starts for presidency as Bill, when he is a president as Jimmy - then something is very
wrong, don;t you think? These are situations when FORMAL normal name is needed.
I am not talking about drinking a beer or tea with your body.


3. Never met anyone with these names

Google: Harrison Ford, Kirk Douglas, Mackenzie (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mackenzie_(given_name)#People_with_the_given_name) .


4. Those aren't really geographical names, and Kimberley is the only one you are likely to encounter.

Leeland (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leeland) is not? Leland (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leland)? Kent (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kent_(disambiguation)) is not? Lester? (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lester) :shocked:

Faklon
10-31-2020, 07:25 AM
I googled for the most common R1athelian surname and it turns out to be Nowak which just means new.


I think it makes logical sense and fits perfectly next to the baby.

Mortimer
10-31-2020, 07:26 AM
No English names are the coolest. Im thinking of changing my name to Mortimer McMitchell but I wait for the outcome of the poll.

Nurzat
10-31-2020, 07:30 AM
Anglo names are boring only because we are too used to them

Rethel
10-31-2020, 07:31 AM
I forgot at night about fifth category, so I added her. Names of items and random words.

For example: https://www.huffpost.com/entry/the-outrageous-baby-names-parents-picked-in-2017_n_5b4eb4e5e4b0de86f487f824?guccounter=1

Creoda
10-31-2020, 07:42 AM
Google: Joe Biden. Jay Smith. Jeb Bush.



I am not talking about informal situations. I am talking about formal and offcial naming.
When guy has in his papers Tony, when guy is presented in TV as Ed, when at last he
starts for presidency as Bill, when he is a president as Jimmy - then something is very
wrong, don;t you think? These are situations when FORMAL normal name is needed.
I am not talking about drinking a beer or tea with your body.



Google: Harrison Ford, Kirk Douglas, Mackenzie (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mackenzie_(given_name)#People_with_the_given_name) .



Leeland (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leeland) is not? Leland (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leland)? Kent (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kent_(disambiguation)) is not? Lester? (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lester) :shocked:
All your examples are Americans, not English, and even in America many of those names aren't very common. I guess I forgot about the English Midlands city of Lester :rolleyes:

I don't understand how foreign name shortening could be such a cause of consternation. I don't lie in bed at night punching the wall at the amount of surplus consonants in Polish names, but maybe I've had my priorities wrong and I should.

Rethel
10-31-2020, 07:59 AM
All your examples are Americans, not English

Not my fault, that term english does not reffer only to England, but all english speaking and existing societies.
Btw, you yourself are from Australia, so... why are you so upset or surrprized (depending on final position).


I don't understand how foreign name shortening could be such a cause of consternation.

Going by this way of thinking, none of the topics on this forum would exist, and forum would be dead.

Graham
10-31-2020, 08:13 AM
A lot of surnames came from first names but we don't tend to use names with Mac in them as first names. MacKenzie is my auntie and Uncle's surname and have never seen it used as a first name.

It is common to use family surnames as middle names.

Lucas
10-31-2020, 10:12 AM
I am not talking about informal situations. I am talking about formal and offcial naming.
When guy has in his papers Tony, when guy is presented in TV as Ed, when at last he
starts for presidency as Bill, when he is a president as Jimmy - then something is very
wrong, don;t you think? These are situations when FORMAL normal name is needed.
I am not talking about drinking a beer or tea with your body.



We have Radek Sikorski:) But yes it is only example that comes to my mind.

But I can't imagine Andrzejek Duda, Mati Morawiecki or Rafcio Trzaskowski:)

Rethel
10-31-2020, 10:37 AM
We have Radek Sikorski:) But yes it is only example that comes to my mind.

We don't have. He did use it living in England, and
some, not all, moronic journalists are repeating this
after this day and unfortunatly in this country.

But short name is not yet so bad as other stuff.


But I can't imagine Andrzejek Duda, Mati Morawiecki or Rafcio Trzaskowski:)

So you see...
But it would be even worse, if they would be called:

Ję Duda,
Mat Morawiecki
Zbi Ziobro
Kaz Kukiz
Ju Owsiak

And as english naming custom stupidity is limitless, then
implementing it in our ground you would have for example:

Nowak Kowalski
Mielcarz Duda
Wiśniewski Malinowski
Korwin-Mikke Maliniak
Wałęsa Stonoga

or:

Gniezno Nowak
Warszawa Kwiatkowska
Gdańsk Nowakowicz
Kruszwica Maciąg
Białogard Walicka

or:

Fanta Bednarek
Strzelec Nowicki
Hitler Maćkowiak
Stół Łakomy
Samochód Miller

Cosmic retardness.

Laly
10-31-2020, 10:44 AM
Isn't the name Iza used both as a diminutive and a "full" name in Polish?

Grace O'Malley
10-31-2020, 10:47 AM
No English names are the coolest. Im thinking of changing my name to Mortimer McMitchell but I wait for the outcome of the poll.

Then don't use the Mc/Mac prefix as that's not English.

Rethel
10-31-2020, 10:51 AM
Isn't the name Iza used both as a diminutive and a "full" name in Polish?

Nope.
But surely, some exeptions you can find, but they are few, and apply only
to different forms of names, mostly monothematic slavic. And as we have
many diminutive forms, then such short form can be only at the first degree
of diminutiveness, surely, not any childlish, emotional or tender.

And you won't find anyone who is named as in 1, 3, 4 or 5th category.

You can't just be named a Car, Sword, Hitler, Shit, Cat etc, neither
England, Moscow, Edinburg aso, neither Kowalski, Smith, Miller aso.

Grace O'Malley
10-31-2020, 10:52 AM
Anyway many Irish surnames are used as first names which does irritate me a bit. Ryan, Kelly, Quinn, Flynn, Grady etc. I've even noticed some people calling girls Rory when that means Red haired King. That does seem to be an American thing though.

Grace O'Malley
10-31-2020, 10:56 AM
Google: Joe Biden. Jay Smith. Jeb Bush.



I am not talking about informal situations. I am talking about formal and offcial naming.
When guy has in his papers Tony, when guy is presented in TV as Ed, when at last he
starts for presidency as Bill, when he is a president as Jimmy - then something is very
wrong, don;t you think? These are situations when FORMAL normal name is needed.
I am not talking about drinking a beer or tea with your body.



Google: Harrison Ford, Kirk Douglas, Mackenzie (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mackenzie_(given_name)#People_with_the_given_name) .



Leeland (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leeland) is not? Leland (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leland)? Kent (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kent_(disambiguation)) is not? Lester? (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lester) :shocked:

Leland is one of the surnames in my family tree. Not sure of its origin though.

Laly
10-31-2020, 10:57 AM
Nope.
But surely, some exeptions you can find, but they are few, and apply only to different forms of names, mostly monothematic slavic. And as we have many diminutive forms, then such short form can be only at fist degree diminutiveness.

But you won't find anyone who is named as in 1, 3, 4 or 5th category.

I know a Polish girl whose name is Iza on the ID, but maybe it's an exception. But why at the evocative form, you say "Izo", and not "Izu" then, like for many other female diminutives?

Laly
10-31-2020, 11:02 AM
But yes, there's for ex. Magdalena - Magdo or Magdziu

Rethel
10-31-2020, 11:06 AM
I know a Polish girl whose name is Iza on the ID,

In polish ID?


but maybe it's an exception.

If it is polish ID, then it could happen only, if she was born
abround, and foreign birth cetificate would contain such form.


But why at the evocative form, you say "Izo", and not "Izu" then, like for many other female diminutives?

Becasue vocative has at least 20 (from english speaker perspective) forms! :)

The suffix -o is a regular vocative for all female names, -u is exeption, and if you use -o it wouldn't be so strange. Otherwise would be strage deffinitly. For example it is used to say Elu, Olu, Ulu, but if you say Elo, Ulo, Olo, it wouldn;t be weird.

Rethel
10-31-2020, 11:08 AM
But yes, there's for ex. Magdalena - Magdo or Magdziu

Magda has hard consonant d, Madzia has soft consonant dź before -a.

Laly
10-31-2020, 11:16 AM
In polish ID?



If it is polish ID, then it could happen only, if she was born
abround, and foreign birth cetificate would contain such form.



Becasue vocative has at least 20 (from english speaker perspective) forms! :)

The suffix -o is a regular vocative for all female names, -u is exeption, and if you use -o it wouldn't be so strange. Otherwise would be strage deffinitly. For example it is used to say Elu, Olu, Ulu, but if you say Elo, Ulo, Olo, it wouldn;t be weird.
Yes, Polish grammar is very complex. Russian is much easier because there aren't all these possibilities for the declensions.

Laly
10-31-2020, 11:18 AM
Not to say that there is no more vocative form in Russian.

Lucas
10-31-2020, 11:30 AM
Nope.
But surely, some exeptions you can find, but they are few, and apply only
to different forms of names, mostly monothematic slavic. And as we have
many diminutive forms, then such short form can be only at the first degree
of diminutiveness, surely, not any childlish, emotional or tender.

And you won't find anyone who is named as in 1, 3, 4 or 5th category.

You can't just be named a Car, Sword, Hitler, Shit, Cat etc, neither
England, Moscow, Edinburg aso, neither Kowalski, Smith, Miller aso.

Children of some "artists" in Poland have such names anyway:)

Katarzyna Figura children:
- Koko (LOL)
- Kaszmir (it's a name of kind of wool or Indian state)

Peterski
10-31-2020, 11:48 AM
Gniezno Nowak
Warszawa Kwiatkowska
Gdańsk Nowakowicz
Kruszwica Maciąg
Białogard Walicka

Not just English names can be like this.

When I was in Spain last time I met there a girl from Lithuania named Neringa, the same as city name:

https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nerynga

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neringa_Municipality

"The name of the city is relatively new and is not found in old scriptures in this form. The name is derived from a German word Neringe, Nerunge, Nehrung which itself is a derivative of a curonian word nerija meaning a long peninsular spit.[2]

Until the 2000 Lithuanian municipality reform, it was known as Neringa City, although there was never a true 'city' there. It was made a city in the Soviet Union in 1961 by formally combining 4 settlements into one administrative unit."

Peterski
10-31-2020, 11:58 AM
Dakota is an interesting name, especially because it can be both male & female. :)

Rethel
10-31-2020, 12:10 PM
Yes, Polish grammar is very complex.

Polish is probably the most diverse both grammatically and phonetically together
among IE languages. Next are rest of West Slavic languages with Lithuanian then
the rest of Balto-Slavic with German+ and classical languages.

Rethel
10-31-2020, 12:13 PM
Children of some "artists" in Poland have such names anyway:)

Katarzyna Figura children:
- Koko (LOL)
- Kaszmir (it's a name of kind of wool or Indian state)

But, but... they are Americans!

But let's say that Koko is the third among Kajko i Kokosz and Kaszmir
it's an english pronounciation of Kaźmir, and then everything is good :)

Benyzero
10-31-2020, 12:20 PM
Just call me Billybob Rooney from today

Creoda
10-31-2020, 01:02 PM
Not my fault, that term english does not reffer only to England, but all english speaking and existing societies.
Btw, you yourself are from Australia, so... why are you so upset or surrprized (depending on final position).

No it doesn't. If they're first names you're only going to hear in America (like most of your examples), they're basically American names.

These are just made up:

Fanta, Tesla*, Halo, Pharaoh, Shooter

Your question ought to be: why are there so many retarded fake names in English-speaking countries?

Rethel
10-31-2020, 01:23 PM
No it doesn't.

Yes it does.
There is no other common descriprion of the speech for all countries than english.
For Isles more often people used just british as a people and location.
Sorry, but it is like it is.


These are just made up:

Nope: https://www.huffpost.com/entry/the-outrageous-baby-names-parents-picked-in-2017_n_5b4eb4e5e4b0de86f487f824?guccounter=1


Your question ought to be: why are there so many retarded fake names in English-speaking countries?

Shortly: english. These are names used in english sphere. I do not think in which part, especially, if England-UK has such entities like Prince Harry and Princess Meghan or Prime Ministers like: Tony, Gordon, Winston, Ramsay or Neville. So, if you have some objections, do not adressed them to me, but to them.

Rethel
10-31-2020, 01:32 PM
Btw, Australia had PMs named: Chris, Billy, Stanley, Earle, Ben, Gough, Tony and Scott.

Canada: Mackenzie (born and named in ENGLAND!), R.B., Bedford, Lester and Kim.

New Zealand: Harry, Gordon, Sidney, Norman, Keith, Bill, Mike, Jim, Jenny.

So it is not only US problem.

Creoda
10-31-2020, 01:38 PM
Btw, Australia had PMs named: Chris, Billy, Stanley, Earle, Ben, Gough, Tony and Scott.
And nothing wrong with them to my mind. People / the media don't even call the current PM Scott, but ScoMo, which is funny.

Rethel
10-31-2020, 01:45 PM
And nothing wrong with them to my mind.

1. Chris - short insted of Christopher.
2. Billy - diminutive insted of William.
3. Stanley - toponymic,
4. Earle - an aristicratic title
5. Ben - meaningless, at best first syllabe of Benjamin
6. Gough - surname
7. Tony - diminutive insted of Anthony
8. Scott - ethnic term

Now look at the post nr 1, and think, what can a guy from Poland think about
Australia differently than about US, when he had in mind all english speaking area.


the media don't even call the current PM Scott, but ScoMo, which is funny.

So it is even worse...

Creoda
10-31-2020, 02:45 PM
1. Chris - short insted of Christopher.
2. Billy - diminutive insted of William.
3. Stanley - toponymic,
4. Earle - an aristicratic title
5. Ben - meaningless, at best first syllabe of Benjamin
6. Gough - surname
7. Tony - diminutive insted of Anthony
8. Scott - ethnic term

Now look at the post nr 1, and think, what can a guy from Poland think about
Australia differently than about US, when he had in mind all english speaking area.
They are mostly common names, many of the names in your opening post are very rare or just made up, so bad examples.

If a name is common across English-speaking countries you could call it an Anglosphere name; Celtic names like Donald, Duncan, Ross, Brendan, Rory, Alistair etc are obviously not English, neither are stereotypical White American names/nicknames like Billy-Bob, Harland, Bud, Hank, Chip etc, neither are the ethnic/continental/non-white names that exist in large numbers. And most common names are English versions of common European names, so not particularly English either.

btw Gough Whitlam's first name was Edward, but he went by Gough.

Laly
10-31-2020, 03:29 PM
Polish is probably the most diverse both grammatically and phonetically together
among IE languages. Next are rest of West Slavic languages with Lithuanian then
the rest of Balto-Slavic with German+ and classical languages.

Yes, and Polish is the only Slavic language with nasals, I think.

El_Abominacion
10-31-2020, 04:06 PM
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Westbrook
10-31-2020, 04:43 PM
Atreyu is a sweet name
I forgot at night about fifth category, so I added her. Names of items and random words.

For example: https://www.huffpost.com/entry/the-outrageous-baby-names-parents-picked-in-2017_n_5b4eb4e5e4b0de86f487f824?guccounter=1

Rethel
10-31-2020, 06:01 PM
They are mostly common names, many of the names in your opening post are very rare or just made up, so bad examples.

If a name is common across English-speaking countries you could call it an Anglosphere name; Celtic names like Donald, Duncan, Ross, Brendan, Rory, Alistair etc are obviously not English, neither are stereotypical White American names/nicknames like Billy-Bob, Harland, Bud, Hank, Chip etc, neither are the ethnic/continental/non-white names that exist in large numbers. And most common names are English versions of common European names, so not particularly English either.

btw Gough Whitlam's first name was Edward, but he went by Gough.

I have the impression, that you are just now discusing for the sake
of discussion or you can't understand, what is going on. I'm done.

Graham
10-31-2020, 06:02 PM
It's funny that how many think ancient Scottish Celtic Names like Donald, Kenneth, Malcolm and Angus are English. They have been used for more than a thousand years.

Rethel
10-31-2020, 06:02 PM
https://homeofplaymakers.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/image-53.png

Better would be De'Coolest :laugh:

Creoda
11-01-2020, 01:14 AM
I have the impression, that you are just now discusing for the sake
of discussion or you can't understand, what is going on. I'm done.
I'm correcting you. You're welcome.

Ruggery
11-01-2020, 01:51 AM
Yep, that's why names like Pedro, Juan, José, etc are the best in the world

Not Pedro, he's one of the most overrated names on earth,

Grace O'Malley
11-01-2020, 01:01 AM
It's funny that how many think ancient Scottish Celtic Names like Donald, Kenneth, Malcolm and Angus are English. They have been used for more than a thousand years.

More Gaelic names than Scottish as Angus is from the Irish God Angus Og and of course Malcolm is from Columbkille i.e. it means servant of Columba.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aengus

I'm a bit pedantic and I'm sure I'm annoying. :) I'm just very aware of Irish history and yes it is annoying that people don't know the difference between Irish, Scots, Welsh and English. Jennifer for example is a lovely Welsh name and I'm very testy about the subject. English get enough credit for things that are from the Celts. :)

HelloGuys
11-01-2020, 01:33 AM
Not Pedro, he's one of the most overrated names on earth,

I was being ironic bro lol

Mingle
11-01-2020, 04:01 AM
By the way, the name "Mackenzie" is a misspelling. It's supposed to be "Mackengie". It's just that in Scotland, they often used the <ȝ> instead of the <g>. So it was spelled "Mackenȝie" over there. They didn't have the letter <ȝ> in the typewriters, so they instead wrote a <z> instead of a <g> because they thought the letter <ȝ> looked more like a <z> instead of a <g>. :picard2:

Another examples of where this happened is in the Scottish name "Menȝies" which should have been written as "Mengies" but is now written as "Menzies" and wrongly pronounced with a /z/.

Graham
11-01-2020, 07:12 AM
More Gaelic names than Scottish as Angus is from the Irish God Angus Og and of course Malcolm is from Columbkille i.e. it means servant of Columba.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aengus

I'm a bit pedantic and I'm sure I'm annoying. :) I'm just very aware of Irish history and yes it is annoying that people don't know the difference between Irish, Scots, Welsh and English. Jennifer for example is a lovely Welsh name and I'm very testy about the subject. English get enough credit for things that are from the Celts. :)

I don't tend to sperate Scottish from Gaelic in a historical sense.

A lot of stuff I say is Scots came from Ireland, even the name Scot as you will know. Our foundation was a Pictish/Gaelic Kingdom that then merged with North Britons, Anglo Saxons & Norse. But also took on a Norman Influence.


It's a shame we didn't get some more Anglo saxon names. A lot of Biblical names and Norman influences.



By the way, the name "Mackenzie" is a misspelling. It's supposed to be "Mackengie". It's just that in Scotland, they often used the <ȝ> instead of the <g>. So it was spelled "Mackenȝie" over there. They didn't have the letter <ȝ> in the typewriters, so they instead wrote a <z> instead of a <g> because they thought the letter <ȝ> looked more like a <z> instead of a <g>. :picard2:

Another examples of where this happened is in the Scottish name "Menȝies" which should have been written as "Mengies" but is now written as "Menzies" and wrongly pronounced with a /z/.

I know, it is really messed up hahaha. There are examples everywhere.

Rethel
11-01-2020, 07:44 AM
I know, it is really messed up hahaha. There are examples everywhere.

But these are english versions, totally different than gaelic ones, anyway,
so, it's not so harmfull, as anglicized forms are always strangely different.

Graham
11-01-2020, 07:51 AM
But these are english versions, totally different than gaelic ones, anyway,
so, it's not so harmfull, as anglicized forms are always strangely different.

I do get why people must look at the English language and think it is anarchy because it is.

Creoda
11-01-2020, 08:34 AM
I don't tend to sperate Scottish from Gaelic in a historical sense.

A lot of stuff I say is Scots came from Ireland, even the name Scot as you will know. Our foundation was a Pictish/Gaelic Kingdom that then merged with North Britons, Anglo Saxons & Norse. But also took on a Norman Influence.


It's a shame we didn't get some more Anglo saxon names. A lot of Biblical names and Norman influences.




I know, it is really messed up hahaha. There are examples everywhere.
Well loads of Scottish surnames are English/Anglian origin anyway. Not even England has many Anglo-Saxon origin given names.

Mingle
11-01-2020, 03:03 PM
But these are english versions, totally different than gaelic ones, anyway,
so, it's not so harmfull, as anglicized forms are always strangely different.
The Anglicized version is supposed to be spelled MacKengie and Mengies with a <g><g>. The original Gaelic names are MacChoinnich ("MacKenzie") and MacMèinnear ("Menzie"). The only reason reason they're spelled with a <z> is because they didn't have the letter <ȝ> so chose the letter that looked most like it instead of choosing the letter with the same pronunciation.

So basically, names like "MacKenzie" and "Menzies" are typos that were never corrected.</z></g>

Rethel
11-01-2020, 03:08 PM
are typos that were never corrected.

There are plenty of such.
Especially in US, where hundreds of thousands names have such mistakes.
In Poland we have a rule: orthographic error in surname is not an error.
Of course, error legalized and heritable, not make coincidently by a writer today.

Mingle
11-01-2020, 03:17 PM
In Poland we have a rule: orthographic error in surname is not an error.
Of course, error legalized and heritable, not make coincidently by a writer today.
What are some examples of orthographic errors in Polish surnames?

Rethel
11-01-2020, 03:23 PM
What are some examples of orthographic errors in Polish surnames?

For exapmle:

Ślusarz vs. Ślósaż vs Ślusasz.
Ślusarczyk vs. Ślósarczyk.
Hołownia vs. Chołownia.
Rzędzian vs. Żędzian

rothaer
11-04-2020, 09:34 PM
Retardness of personal first names in english is limitless.
Why is it so, and when it started? I would devide these moronic names on five categories:

1. Meaningless syllables like Jo, Jay, Jep aso.
2. Diminutive forms of normal names like: Tony, Jimmy, Bill, Ed etc.
3. Surnames as first names, like Harrison, McKinley, Kirk, Landon, Ormond, MacKenzee aso.
4. Geographical names like: Kimberley, Leeland, Lester, Kent etc.
5. Names of items or random words like: Fanta, Tesla*, Halo, Pharaoh, Shooter, aso.

*someone probably didn't have a surname in mind, but then category third.

The most imbecilic is probably the fifth group followed by idiotic third and moronic fourth.

I ask only: WHYYY???
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The high score of reterdedness in matter of names is Condoleezza Rice. Here is what is stated in english Wikipedia article on her:

"Rice was born in Birmingham, Alabama, the only child of Angelena (née Ray) Rice, a high school science, music, and oratory teacher, and John Wesley Rice, Jr., a high school guidance counselor, Presbyterian minister,[11] and dean of students at Stillman College, a historically black college in Tuscaloosa, Alabama.[12] Her name, Condoleezza, derives from the music-related term con dolcezza, which in Italian means, "with sweetness"."

It's more like a spelling error of two resembling letters ("c" and "e") rather than "derived" from "con dolcezza". And nobody cared for correcting that(!)...

rothaer
11-04-2020, 09:46 PM
For exapmle:

Ślusarz vs. Ślósaż vs Ślusasz.
Ślusarczyk vs. Ślósarczyk.
Hołownia vs. Chołownia.
Rzędzian vs. Żędzian

I'm not sure about if this actually can be called an orthographic error.

I’ve been looking in church records in Poland in 18th century and f. i. there were equally Krulikiewicz and Królikiewicz written for the same family. There will have been no common orthography at that time and one spelling then is as correct as the other, no matter what later orthographic development was.

Roy
11-04-2020, 09:51 PM
Yeah, why would you name your offspring Jermajesty, Peaches, Bronx Mowgli, Audio Science or Pilot Inspector? All of those are real names of Hollywood stars / celebs kids.


And don't even get me started on retarded Afram names with compulsory quotation marks like Sha'quilatean'qua or whatever.

Chryssie Khanate
11-04-2020, 09:52 PM
Lmao my Polish ancestors had like four different spellings of their names and surnames on their records... and even different countries of origin.

Roy
11-04-2020, 09:55 PM
For exapmle:

Ślusarz vs. Ślósaż vs Ślusasz.
Ślusarczyk vs. Ślósarczyk.
Hołownia vs. Chołownia.
Rzędzian vs. Żędzian

My grandma is the only person with her surname in Poland as there was en error when she was born. But her father also carried that misspelled surname.

Satem
11-04-2020, 10:07 PM
In Poland we have a rule: orthographic error in surname is not an error.
Of course, error legalized and heritable, not make coincidently by a writer today.

My surname is proof for this rule as well, my surname exists in PL with 'u' and 'ó'

Aldaris
11-04-2020, 10:11 PM
Many of the Anglo female names are pretty fucking cute.

Rethel
11-05-2020, 11:37 AM
I’ve been looking in church records in Poland in 18th century and f. i. there were equally Krulikiewicz and Królikiewicz written for the same family. There will have been no common orthography at that time and one spelling then is as correct as the other, no matter what later orthographic development was.

It is orthographic error, but because it was allready legally written it is not counted as such.

And orthography of such caliber was standarized since XVIth century.
So, obviously orthographically correct form is Królikiewicz.

And different matter is orthographic error depending on the nature or the word
(as your example) and different thing is how to write a word, the form of it, like
for example: Rethel, Rethell, Rettell aso, or even Królikewicz, Królikiewic etc.
So, the form I would say is one (and then your statement is legit), but the
corectness of the orthographic crucial letters, which have historically based
different writing, sometimes changing the word totaly, is second.

rothaer
11-05-2020, 11:39 PM
It is orthographic error, but because it was allready legally written it is not counted as such.

And orthography of such caliber was standarized since XVIth century.
So, obviously orthographically correct form is Królikiewicz.

And different matter is orthographic error depending on the nature or the world
(as your example) and different thing is how to write a word, the form of it, like
for example: Rethel, Rethell, Rettell aso, or even Królikewicz, Królikiewic etc.
So, the form I would say is one (and then your statement is legit), but the
corectness of the orthographic crucial letters, which have historically based
different writing, sometimes changing the word totaly, is second.

Ok. I see. In Germany there was no fixated orthography until approximately 1870. But a number of reasonable and resembling spellings.

Roy
11-10-2020, 08:32 PM
Hi Americans ... what was the most retarded name you have encountered in real life?

Rethel
04-03-2021, 08:06 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okJ-1DRRpDk

Megadorian
04-03-2021, 09:11 AM
You're the emperor of retards in this forum, the only reason why you're still not banned is because you're a clown and make people laugh with your comebacks.

Dove
04-03-2021, 10:07 AM
It’s a part of their culture so we should respect I think and their names sound cute and funny to me

IrisSelene
04-03-2021, 10:17 AM
Idk lol But spanish and english names are some of the types of names I like the least. Gotta be honest.

Basque, Greek, Slavic, Germanic and Irish names are superior imo.

щрбл
04-03-2021, 10:18 AM
Google: Joe Biden. Jay Smith. Jeb Bush.

I did and:

Joe Biden is called Joseph Biden.
Jeb Bush is called John Bush.

Do you think Bill Clinton is called Bill?

Actually, endearing names in the anglo world are shorter while in the slavic world they are longer, which is funny.

Ranger0075
04-03-2021, 12:03 PM
I have two english names which made me bullying target at school. My parents probably got that genial idea from some movie they watched and thought it was cool or something. My nickname at High School was Hollywood. People can't pronounce my name correctly, they can't even write it.