Classify these English of Norman descent

[Oliver109]

3 members of a Molineux family
https://1-content-s3-estateweb.s3.amazonaws.com/assets/9248/contentimages/Team.jpg

[Celto-Germanic]

Some of my family married people with norman last names and they really look like stereotypical norse people, hallstatt and robust nordid/paleo atlantid looking, all really smart friendly people

I'd guess the guy on the right is atlantid, not sure about the other two

[Hialt]

Based on surnames, the Norman input into the colonial-English genetic input of early US is substantial.

[Oliver109]

Norse phenotypes seem to be more common among upper class Brits of Norman descent than working class Britons, especially in the south of England, many Normans also exhibit darker and more French looking phenotypes, i would say the family above are such an example.

[Celto-Germanic]

Yeah in my experience there are norman last names who look nordic, anglo saxon last names that look anglo-saxon, and norman last names who look like Rowan Atkinson

[chociprasa]

Yeah in my experience there are norman last names who look nordic, anglo saxon last names that look anglo-saxon, and norman last names who look like Rowan Atkinson

Rowan Atkinson is of Armenian descent, though.

[PaleoEuropean]

Based on surnames, the Norman input into the colonial-English genetic input of early US is substantial.

I am proof of that

[Mixdguy17]

Rowan Atkinson is of Armenian descent, though.

I think he is fully english.

[Oliver109]

His dad was a farmer in Durham for goodness sake! can't get more British than that, anway i did not start a thread about Normans to talk about Rowan Atkinson who i believe has no relation to Normans.

[PaleoEuropean]

His dad was a farmer in Durham for goodness sake! can't get more British than that, anway i did not start a thread about Normans to talk about Rowan Atkinson who i believe has no relation to Normans.

Not all people with Norman names are Norman, he also could be from a Frankish family as there were actual Franks among the Normans. Atkin was Medieval nickname for Adam, not exclusively Norman. There are Gaelic and Pictoid Scots with the surname as well as Native Irish

[Oliver109]

Or he could be a darker Briton descended from Neolithic or Roman invaders with as many are across the country?

[Hialt]

Norse phenotypes seem to be more common among upper class Brits of Norman descent than working class Britons, especially in the south of England, many Normans also exhibit darker and more French looking phenotypes, i would say the family above are such an example.

I ask this increduously, but seriously, can it really be said that Normans can be identified in modern-day England? I will say that the upper classes persist at marrying among themselves, through the generations, and that "upper class English" folk ought to have Norman ancestry likely to "predominate."

[Oliver109]

I think there are subtle differences that mean people of Norman descent may look somewhat different, here are some examples:

Richard Dinan
https://www.spearswms.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/rd.jpg

Students from posh colleges in Wiltshire and Hampshire
https://www.gazetteandherald.co.uk/resources/images/1571707.jpg?display=1&htype=100000&type=responsive-gallery

https://www.marlboroughcollege.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/sb-sixth-form-intro-368x245.jpg
https://www.bedales.org.uk/sites/default/files/galleries-imported/7.jpg
https://www.bedales.org.uk/sites/default/files/galleries-imported/4.jpg

https://www.bedales.org.uk/fundraising-lunch-emma-bridgewater-and-sophie-conran

[Rethel]

According to TA-tards, they are not of Norman descend... Fortunatly, TA-tards do not define the World :)

[Gota_type_]

They are called "Norman" but by the time they arrived in the British Isles, they were basically French. Like just 2-4% Norman DNA probably had those that arrived in the British Isles, so today´s normans (those in the pictures) probably are just like 0.02% norman.

Rollo greatgrandson would probably have a 8-10% nordic DNA, after mixing with native celtic french of the área.

Anyways, they pass in Spain, even the one in the middle could be mistaken by light northafrican. And the one on the right looks rare, not a common phenotype.

[Oliver109]

Lots of "Normans" also came from other regions of France, especially Brittany and Flandres, that could account for differing levels of Blonde and dark hair i imagine as blonde hair is a lot more common on the Flemish plain.

[Ruggery]

Lots of "Normans" also came from other regions of France, especially Brittany and Flandres, that could account for differing levels of Blonde and dark hair i imagine as blonde hair is a lot more common on the Flemish plain.

Are Normans more med than average English?

[Oliver109]

I would wager that they might be, i think native English and other British have darker hair on average but they are more Paleo Atlantid or Brunn on average.