Do I have a real connection to Greece?

[Mortimer]

1.Read my ancestry results from various companies in my signature, greek is a constant occurance, even when balkan and greece are divided, there is still 20% greek (ancestrydna), 23andme gives me greek regions as likely match, romania is highly likely, greece likely, then are some balkan countries who are in the possible category.
2.I just checked Mytrueancestry because I received a email there are some new samples, i checked a tool top matches by era and for modern era i have greek matches, that is interesting because it is from 19th century so not that much long ago.

My closest modern population is greek_thessaly even before gypsy and serbian, macedonia can maybe be counted too as mixed_greek, and albanian_tosk maybe as similar to greek.

1. Greek_Thessaly (16.97)
2. Macedonian (17.26)
3. Romanian (17.78)
4. Gypsy (18.01)
5. Bulgarian (18.35)
6. Albanian_Tosk (19.49)
7. Serbian (19.67)
8. Bosnian (20.16)

Byzantine + Scythian (14.12)
Scythian + Hellenic Roman (15.59)
Scythian + Roman (16.64)
Byzantine + Gaul (18.78)
Gaul + Hellenic Roman (18.8)

https://i.ibb.co/Yt8bmtB/MTAModernperiod-Skeleton-Lake-Traveller.jpg (https://ibb.co/sFQtnF9)

My distances are indeed quiete high, so is that a real link or nonsense?

[TheMaestro]

Nonsense you are gypsy, it's like Kaspias claiming to be close to modern Balkanite while his results show 10-15 + closest pop, your show almost 17, in that case I can claim to be Dutch or British, which I have 0 connection.

[Benyzero]

Southern greek

[Hithaeglir]

16.97 sounds like a significant genetic distance to me.

[Kaspias]

Nonsense you are gypsy, it's like Kaspias claiming to be close to modern Balkanite while his results show 10-15 + closest pop, your show almost 17, in that case I can claim to be Dutch or British, which I have 0 connection.

Lol man, you're literally moron.

[Luke35]

Looks like a midpoint for you my man.

[Thracian]

Genetic distances are also not important. A half Greek and half Ukrainian would probably score Serbian with distance 4 or 5. That doesn't mean s/he is a Serbian.

Plus, in your case, the distance is quite big.

[TheMaestro]

Lol man, you're literally moron.

Im not claiming to be German when I'm not.

[TheMaestro]

16.97 sounds like a significant genetic distance to me.

Really ? Then mostly 70% Europeans can claim to be any European countrymen

[Kaspias]

Im not claiming to be German when I'm not.

I don't, too.

I mode like 75% Balkanite and 25% Central Asian.

Target: Kaspias
Distance: 2.6884% / 2.68837645
51.4 Pomak
19.2 Turkmen_Uzbekistan
17.4 Bulgarian_East
6.6 Turkmen_Turkmenistan
5.4 Bulgarian_Thrace

While you're 50% Balkanite and 50% Hungarian.


Plain, simple.

[Alenka]

Maybe. A portion of your ancestry might actually be Greek-like.
But your other ancestral components set you genetically apart.

[TheMaestro]

I don't, too.

I mode like 75% Balkanite and 25% Central Asian.

Target: Kaspias
Distance: 2.6884% / 2.68837645
51.4 Pomak
19.2 Turkmen_Uzbekistan
17.4 Bulgarian_East
6.6 Turkmen_Turkmenistan
5.4 Bulgarian_Thrace

While you're 50% Balkanite and 50% Hungarian.


Plain, simple.

So a man who is 75% white and 25% African is white? ahahaahah nt. You can't can't score single Balkanite country under 10, because you are mixed with other race.
Yet me who you claim is less Balkanite score most of Balkanite countries under 8. Even on autosomal you don't score even half on any Balkanite countries, yet you claim yourself to be Balkanite. On autosomal I score atleast 70 percent, so yeah nice try Turkish boi.

[Adriaticia]

I have a theory. You can look like any ethnicity in your dna. For example if you are Serbian and your breakedown is Balkan, Italian, and Eastern Europe. So u can look like one of those ethnicity or look like mix of them all or part of them.

In your case if u score Greek so maybe the Greek members here can tell u if u pass in their country.

Distance in cluster isnt a thing. I know half British and half Italian he puts on cluster as German and he doesnt look German. You can look like any of your ethnicities.

I also saw dna results of people that score 95% Iberian and had 5% West asian and they look like their 5%.

Indian women look so Levantine had a dna test she got 2% Lebanese and 98% South Asian. And she looks like her 2% Lebanese. And many example like that.

[TheMaestro]

I don't, too.

I mode like 75% Balkanite and 25% Central Asian.

Target: Kaspias
Distance: 2.6884% / 2.68837645
51.4 Pomak
19.2 Turkmen_Uzbekistan
17.4 Bulgarian_East
6.6 Turkmen_Turkmenistan
5.4 Bulgarian_Thrace

While you're 50% Balkanite and 50% Hungarian.


Plain, simple.

So a man who is 75% white and 25% African is white? ahahaahah nt. You can't can't score single Balkanite country under 10, because you are mixed with other race.
Yet me who you claim is less Balkanite score most of Balkanite countries under 8. Even on autosomal you don't score even half on any Balkanite countries, yet you claim yourself to be Balkanite. On autosomal I score atleast 70 percent, so yeah nice try Turkish boi.

[Chris596]

I'm almost 100% Balkanite and I score like a Serbian mostly, but I don't know about any real connection to Serbia. This is why I want to do 23andme because they are the most accurate and I feel like they could tell me the most about my geographical ancestry as well.

So no, you probably don't have a connection to Greece (not in recent history).

[Chris596]

So a man who is 75% white and 25% African is white? ahahaahah nt. You can't can't score single Balkanite country under 10, because you are mixed with other race.
Yet me who you claim is less Balkanite score most of Balkanite countries under 8. Even on autosomal you don't score even half on any Balkanite countries, yet you claim yourself to be Balkanite. On autosomal I score atleast 70 percent, so yeah nice try Turkish boi.

You and me are the Balkan kings on this forum xD


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5pr-4HeiA0

[JamesBond007]

1.Read my ancestry results from various companies in my signature, greek is a constant occurance, even when balkan and greece are divided, there is still 20% greek (ancestrydna), 23andme gives me greek regions as likely match, romania is highly likely, greece likely, then are some balkan countries who are in the possible category.
2.I just checked Mytrueancestry because I received a email there are some new samples, i checked a tool top matches by era and for modern era i have greek matches, that is interesting because it is from 19th century so not that much long ago.

My closest modern population is greek_thessaly even before gypsy and serbian, macedonia can maybe be counted too as mixed_greek, and albanian_tosk maybe as similar to greek.

1. Greek_Thessaly (16.97)
2. Macedonian (17.26)
3. Romanian (17.78)
4. Gypsy (18.01)
5. Bulgarian (18.35)
6. Albanian_Tosk (19.49)
7. Serbian (19.67)
8. Bosnian (20.16)

Byzantine + Scythian (14.12)
Scythian + Hellenic Roman (15.59)
Scythian + Roman (16.64)
Byzantine + Gaul (18.78)
Gaul + Hellenic Roman (18.8)

[img]https://i.ibb.co/Yt8bmtB/MTAModernperiod-Skeleton-Lake-Traveller.jpg[/img[ (https://ibb.co/sFQtnF9)

My distances are indeed quiete high, so is that a real link or nonsense?

Nonsense, screw mytrueancestry.com it is trying to make me into an Englishman (southwest). I know lowland Scots are closely related to the English but that is trash. Anyway, I don't know that MTA operates on the same scientific scale as objective science but 17 (16.97) seems like a far distance since the average F(ST) distance of a person to any random global population is 25 I think. I think MTA claims anything over 15 and it is not a related population.

1. Southwest_English (4.229)
2. Southeast_English (4.317)
3. North_Dutch (4.418)
4. Danish (4.780)
5. West_Scottish (4.970)
6. Irish (5.036)
7. Orcadian (5.145)
8. North_German (6.157)




Genetic distance measures how close you are to a given modern population. Many modern populations are surprisingly close to another, which is often due to true common ancestry.
5 means you are close to this population
10 means you could fit into this population
15 means a related population


I like genoplot MDLP K16 personally (not sure it works for Gypsies) :

SampleDistanceShetlandic 4301.9268109999999998
Scottish 4232.231435
Scottish 4222.3959129999999997
Scottish 4252.418202
Scottish 4212.463656
English 1312.625548
Irish 2212.664357
Scottish 4242.8994310000000003
French 1592.9840069999999996
Irish 2183.1401909999999997

Mixed OraclesDistance92.2% Shetlandic 430 + 7.8% Serbian 4271.63
91.6% Shetlandic 430 + 8.4% Bosnian 861.63
91.2% Shetlandic 430 + 8.8% Hungarian 2051.64
93.2% Shetlandic 430 + 6.8% Serbian 4281.65
85.4% Shetlandic 430 + 14.6% German 1731.65
94.8% Shetlandic 430 + 5.2% Bulgarian 931.65
90.8% Shetlandic 430 + 9.2% Croat 1121.66
82.6% Shetlandic 430 + 17.4% German Lipsian 1761.67
92.2% Shetlandic 430 + 7.8% Croat 1111.68
94% Shetlandic 430 + 6% Montenegrian 3491.69


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[Alenka]

So a man who is 75% white and 25% African is white? ahahaahah nt. You can't can't score single Balkanite country under 10, because you are mixed with other race.
Yet me who you claim is less Balkanite score most of Balkanite countries under 8. Even on autosomal you don't score even half on any Balkanite countries, yet you claim yourself to be Balkanite. On autosomal I score atleast 70 percent, so yeah nice try Turkish boi.
If a person A is, for example, 75% French and 25% Nigerian; and person B is 50% French and 50% Italian, then person A is more French than person B. Even though person B likely clusters closer to French people.
And just the same, if Kaspias is 75% Balkan and 25% Central Asian, then he is more Balkan than a 50% Balkan and 50% Hungarian person. Regardless of clustering.

[Kaspias]

So a man who is 75% white and 25% African is white? ahahaahah nt. You can't can't score single Balkanite country under 10, because you are mixed with other race.
Yet me who you claim is less Balkanite score most of Balkanite countries under 8. Even on autosomal you don't score even half on any Balkanite countries, yet you claim yourself to be Balkanite. On autosomal I score atleast 70 percent, so yeah nice try Turkish boi.

Straw man fallacy.

I claim to be Balkan Turk and Pomak, that I indeed am. And two of these populations are Balkan populations, and I get these two under 10 distance. (4-6.) I did not claim anything else.

You score Balkan populations under 10 because they are at the midpoint between Hungarian and Albanian admixture while there is no midpoint between Bulgarian and Central Asian admixture, therefore my distances get high. As I stated, I model like 3/4 Balkan and 1/4 Turkic at the end. Similar to your model which is 1/2 Balkan and 1/2 Hungarian.

According to your theory, half North African and half Lithuanian can pass as Serb, because he will get Serbian under 10 distance as it is a mid-point. This is not how genetics works. But you seem to have some serious problems with understanding what you read.

[Benyzero]

You and me are the Balkan kings on this forum xD


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5pr-4HeiA0

Két legnagyobb cigánygyerek x D

[stellan]

you're more greek than me.

[Leto]

You are not Greek, that's likely just some Balkan thing which both you and Greeks have.

[El_Abominacion]

Yes, all you need now is some Gyros and a nicotine addiction and you're all set

[calxpal]

Seems like genetic similarity, not a recent ancestral connection.

[JamesBond007]

Seems like genetic similarity, not a recent ancestral connection.

Not even a similarity :

15 means a related population and he scored above that.

[TheMaestro]

If a person A is, for example, 75% French and 25% Nigerian; and person B is 50% French and 50% Italian, then person A is more French than person B. Even though person B likely clusters closer to French people.
And just the same, if Kaspias is 75% Balkan and 25% Central Asian, then he is more Balkan than a 50% Balkan and 50% Hungarian person. Regardless of clustering.

Did you know that Hungarians have Balkanite ancestry too? Kaspias ignores this fact, but nt.

[JamesBond007]

Yes, all you need now is some Gyros and a nicotine addiction and you're all set

Greeks own practically all the diners here in New York so the gyros are generally fantastic. :)

[calxpal]

Not even a similarity :

15 means a related population and he scored above that.

I guess the distance is too high, I'm not sure similarity is the right way to put it then. Maybe a midpoint between parts of his ancestry?

[TheMaestro]

Straw man fallacy.

I claim to be Balkan Turk and Pomak, that I indeed am. And two of these populations are Balkan populations, and I get these two under 10 distance. (4-6.) I did not claim anything else.

You score Balkan populations under 10 because they are at the midpoint between Hungarian and Albanian admixture while there is no midpoint between Bulgarian and Central Asian admixture, therefore my distances get high. As I stated, I model like 3/4 Balkan and 1/4 Turkic at the end. Similar to your model which is 1/2 Balkan and 1/2 Hungarian.

According to your theory, half North African and half Lithuanian can pass as Serb, because he will get Serbian under 10 distance as it is a mid-point. This is not how genetics works. But you seem to have some serious problems with understanding what you read.

No it's your theory, I have Balkans from both of my sides, that's why I get it autosomally and even in gedmatch, yet you cant score half, therefore how can you claim to be something. You can claim to be pomak, but on the other thread you were claiming to be this big balkanite boi, yet you dont get any of those on autosomal even not more than 50 percent, how is it possible? Can you tell me? And did you know Hungarians can have range of 5-30% of Balkan DNA

[Alenka]

Did you know that Hungarians have Balkanite ancestry too? Kaspias ignores this fact, but nt.
So what? In the real life, Hungarians are a Central European population. All Central Euros have some Balkan-like ancestry.

A 50% Swedish 50% Japanese person is more Swedish than a German is, despite the fact that a German plots closer to Swedes.
A German has some Scandinavian-like ancestry, but that doesn't make him more Swedish than Takashi Svensson.

Real life > genetic plot.

[Kaspias]

Did you know that Hungarians have Balkanite ancestry too? Kaspias ignores this fact, but nt.

I did not ignore this fact. In fact, I explained you a year ago how much Balkanic-like, ancestry Hungarians have, and how we both of us plot. But you didn't even read what I'm saying.

You were like 50% Illyrian, and 50% Slavic.(Albanians are like 20-30% Slavic, Hungarians are like 60-70%.) 50-50 is also amount that Serbs, Croats get. This balance makes you closer to them.

On the other hand, I model 60% Thracian, 15% Slav, 25% Turkic.

These models all are done by using ancient samples; BGR_IA, Scythian_MLD, HRV_IA, Slavic Szolad, Gokturk.



No it's your theory

Excuse me? What?


I have Balkans from both of my sides, that's why I get it autosomally and even in gedmatch,

So do I, plus, all of my ancestors lived in the Balkans as opposed to you.


yet you cant score half, therefore how can you claim to be something

I score 75%.



You can claim to be pomak, but on the other thread you were claiming to be this big balkanite boi,

"Playing Big Balkanite Boi" = Answering the question "Why Balkanites successful in sports?"

In addition, apparently, I have the right to play that "big balkanite boi" thing.



Can you tell me?

I told you like 10 times.



And did you know Hungarians can have range of 5-30% of Balkan DNA

Either Stearsolina or I are the origin of this information. We had been modeling Hungarians in this forum for more than 3 years.

[TheMaestro]

So what? In the real life, Hungarians are a Central European population. All Central Euros have some Balkan-like ancestry.

A 50% Swedish 50% Japanese person is more Swedish than a German is, despite the fact that a German plots closer to Swedes.
A German has some Scandinavian-like ancestry, but that doesn't make him more Swedish than Takashi Svensson.
Real life > genetic plot.

Its a difference comparing only EU refference and biracial and a lot. Yes this guy who can't score autosomaly half Balkans is more Balkanite than me. It's like those Gypsies would claim to be Balkanite because they resided in Romania or other Balkanite country. Still it's not the same, but you get the point, his ancestors aren't dont share mono-ethnic genepol, and it clearly shows on his results.

[TheMaestro]

So what? In the real life, Hungarians are a Central European population. All Central Euros have some Balkan-like ancestry.

A 50% Swedish 50% Japanese person is more Swedish than a German is, despite the fact that a German plots closer to Swedes.
A German has some Scandinavian-like ancestry, but that doesn't make him more Swedish than Takashi Svensson.
Real life > genetic plot.

Its a difference comparing only EU refference and biracial and a lot. Yes this guy who can't score autosomaly half Balkans is more Balkanite than me. It's like those Gypsies would claim to be Balkanite because they resided in Romania or other Balkanite country. Still it's not the same, but you get the point, his ancestors aren't dont share mono-ethnic genepol, and it clearly shows on his results.

[Leto]

Kaspias is half Balkan Turk half Pomak, so his ancestry is logically majority Balkan. I bet even his father is like 65-70% Balkan.

[Hithaeglir]

Really ? Then mostly 70% Europeans can claim to be any European countrymen

I meant the opposite, love. :)

[Dirdepo]

Hallstatt people is not Balkan lol, to be Balkan your Father is Bulgar or atleast your Mother no exceptions. And trace with genealogy to be verified who you people are really? When I listen to Kaspias vs Serbomutt, Serbomutt is clown that dude is just mix of random lottery genetics and he basically plots within a random mixed-Balkan clusters where he should. Kaspias is simply close with Pomaks original Balkan native population. Kaspias opinion here is more valid than Serbomutt.

[TheMaestro]

I did not ignore this fact. In fact, I explained you a year ago how much Balkanic-like, ancestry Hungarians have, and how we both of us plot. But you didn't even read what I'm saying.

You were like 50% Illyrian, and 50% Slavic.(Albanians are like 20-30% Slavic, Hungarians are like 60-70%.) 50-50 is also amount that Serbs, Croats get. This balance makes you closer to them.

On the other hand, I model 60% Thracian, 15% Slav, 25% Turkic.

These models all are done by using ancient samples; BGR_IA, Scythian_MLD, HRV_IA, Slavic Szolad, Gokturk.




Excuse me? What?



So do I, plus, all of my ancestors lived in the Balkans as opposed to you.



I score 75%.




"Playing Big Balkanite Boi" = Answering the question "Why Balkanites successful in sports?"

In addition, apparently, I have the right to play that "big balkanite boi" thing.




I told you like 10 times.




Either Stearsolina or I are the origin of this information. We had been modeling Hungarians in this forum for more than 3 years.

Yes send you your autosomal, I'm not claiming to be full balkanite, rather than you who was saying Im Balkanite in the other thread, it's just repeating all over again. I called you out, and yet you didn't post any autosomal results, I want to see it, come on. Post results and I would say yes its true.

[TheMaestro]

I did not ignore this fact. In fact, I explained you a year ago how much Balkanic-like, ancestry Hungarians have, and how we both of us plot. But you didn't even read what I'm saying.

You were like 50% Illyrian, and 50% Slavic.(Albanians are like 20-30% Slavic, Hungarians are like 60-70%.) 50-50 is also amount that Serbs, Croats get. This balance makes you closer to them.

On the other hand, I model 60% Thracian, 15% Slav, 25% Turkic.

These models all are done by using ancient samples; BGR_IA, Scythian_MLD, HRV_IA, Slavic Szolad, Gokturk.




Excuse me? What?



So do I, plus, all of my ancestors lived in the Balkans as opposed to you.



I score 75%.




"Playing Big Balkanite Boi" = Answering the question "Why Balkanites successful in sports?"

In addition, apparently, I have the right to play that "big balkanite boi" thing.




I told you like 10 times.




Either Stearsolina or I are the origin of this information. We had been modeling Hungarians in this forum for more than 3 years.

Yes send you your autosomal, I'm not claiming to be full balkanite, rather than you who was saying Im Balkanite in the other thread, it's just repeating all over again. I called you out, and yet you didn't post any autosomal results, I want to see it, come on. Post results and I would say yes its true.

[Alenka]

Its a difference comparing only EU refference and biracial and a lot. Yes this guy who can't score autosomaly half Balkans is more Balkanite than me. It's like those Gypsies would claim to be Balkanite because they resided in Romania or other Balkanite country. Still it's not the same, but you get the point, his ancestors aren't dont share mono-ethnic genepol, and it clearly shows on his results.
No. It works the same with EU referrences, for example:
A 50% English and 50% Portuguese person is more English than an Irishman is, despite the Irishman clustering closer to the English.

You are 50% Balkan and 50% Central Euro, while Kaspias is 100% Balkan. Pomaks are Balkanites, and Balkan Turks are also... Balkanites.

Balkan Turks aren't completely native, but then again neither are South Slavs.

So there's that.

[TheMaestro]

No. It works the same with EU referrences, for example:
A 50% English and 50% Portuguese person is more English than an Irishman is, despite the Irishman clustering closer to the English.

You are 50% Balkan and 50% Central Euro, while Kaspias is 100% Balkan. Pomaks are Balkanites, and Balkan Turks are also... Balkanites.

Balkan Turks aren't completely native, but then again neither are South Slavs.

So there's that.

You don't understand my EU refference, I'm talking of more races. A half Black and half Swedish will never been taken as Swedish more than a half Swedish and German. At the end of the day the German guy has basically same germanic roots. And again this is a different case, I'm calling out him because yet he doesnt know how to post his autosomal results. I have no problem to admit if he is more Balkanite, just prove it on autosomal, not on some calcs.

[Kaspias]

Its a difference comparing only EU refference and biracial and a lot. Yes this guy who can't score autosomaly half Balkans is more Balkanite than me. It's like those Gypsies would claim to be Balkanite because they resided in Romania or other Balkanite country. Still it's not the same, but you get the point, his ancestors aren't dont share mono-ethnic genepol, and it clearly shows on his results.

Well, Seya, Kökeny and many other individuals from Romania, Moldova, Hungary, Bulgaria, Greece, and N. Macedonia models with 3 components(Balkanic, Slavic, Turkic) too.


Yes send you your autosomal, I'm not claiming to be full balkanite, rather than you who was saying Im Balkanite in the other thread, it's just repeating all over again. I called you out, and yet you didn't post any autosomal results, I want to see it, come on. Post results and I would say yes its true.

I posted my autosomal results many times. Sure thing:

Gedmatch


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_European 26.85
2 Caucasus 25.4
3 Atlantic_Med 18.43
4 Gedrosia 8.87
5 Southwest_Asian 8.41
6 Siberian 5.92
7 East_Asian 3.06
8 Northwest_African 1.72
9 South_Asian 1.31
10 Southeast_Asian 0.01

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Bulgarian (Dodecad) 13.04
2 Romanians (Behar) 13.86
3 Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) 14.33
4 O_Italian (Dodecad) 16.94
5 Greek (Dodecad) 17.53
6 C_Italian (Dodecad) 20.38
7 Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) 20.84
8 Ashkenazi (Dodecad) 21.31
9 Tuscan (HGDP) 21.7
10 S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) 21.83
11 TSI30 (Metspalu) 21.96
12 Sicilian (Dodecad) 22.05
13 Nogais (Yunusbayev) 22.2
14 N_Italian (Dodecad) 23.05
15 Hungarians (Behar) 24.68
16 Turkish (Dodecad) 25.53
17 North_Italian (HGDP) 25.9
18 Sephardic_Jews (Behar) 25.94
19 Turks (Behar) 26.71
20 Morocco_Jews (Behar) 27.13

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 61.4% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 38.6% Chuvashs (Behar) @ 5.07
2 57.1% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 42.9% Chuvashs (Behar) @ 5.25
3 61.2% Sicilian (Dodecad) + 38.8% Chuvashs (Behar) @ 5.6
4 73.4% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 26.6% Uzbeks (Behar) @ 5.91
5 78.2% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 21.8% Hazara (HGDP) @ 6.02
6 68.3% Romanians (Behar) + 31.7% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) @ 6.03
7 67.4% Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) + 32.6% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) @ 6.13
8 62.8% Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) + 37.2% Chuvashs (Behar) @ 6.24
9 59.5% Turks (Behar) + 40.5% Swedish (Dodecad) @ 6.27
10 70.1% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 29.9% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) @ 6.28
11 59.8% Turks (Behar) + 40.2% Norwegian (Dodecad) @ 6.39
12 62.3% Ashkenazi (Dodecad) + 37.7% Chuvashs (Behar) @ 6.45
13 56% Morocco_Jews (Behar) + 44% Chuvashs (Behar) @ 6.45
14 69.4% Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) + 30.6% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) @ 6.49
15 60.7% Turkish (Dodecad) + 39.3% Swedish (Dodecad) @ 6.62
16 72.4% Romanians (Behar) + 27.6% Uzbeks (Behar) @ 6.65
17 71.6% Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) + 28.4% Uzbeks (Behar) @ 6.7
18 72.3% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 27.7% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) @ 6.86
19 76.7% Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) + 23.3% Hazara (HGDP) @ 6.87
20 77.4% Romanians (Behar) + 22.6% Hazara (HGDP) @ 6.88


Updated Vahaduo Single population sharing K=50:



[1,] "Turk_Trakya" "4.8506"
[2,] "Turk_Deliorman" "4.9441"
[3,] "Turk_Makedonya" "8.5557"
[4,] "Pomak" "8.7889"
[5,] "Bulgarian_East" "9.5161"
[6,] "MD_Gagauz" "9.5326"
[7,] "Bulgarian_Thrace" "10.5353"
[8,] "Bulgarian_Central" "11.2261"
[9,] "Greek_Macedonia" "11.3023"
[10,] "Crimean_Tatar_Mountain" "11.3918"
[11,] "MD_South" "11.4919"
[12,] "Bulgarian_West" "11.8848"
[13,] "Greek_Thessaloniki" "12.6297"
[14,] "Greek_Thessaly" "12.6315"
[15,] "Romanian" "12.6879"
[16,] "Greek_Thrace" "12.8129"
[17,] "Greek_Peloponnese" "13.1771"
[18,] "Macedonian" "13.2477"
[19,] "Albanian_Kosovo" "13.6377"
[20,] "Albanian_North" "14.0768"
[21,] "Montenegrin" "14.7005"
[22,] "Greek_Central" "15.0288"
[23,] "MD_Center" "15.1372"
[24,] "Greek_Athens" "15.585"
[25,] "Serb" "16.7211"
[26,] "Greek_Foca" "16.7567"
[27,] "Italy_Apulia" "16.8615"
[28,] "HUN_Szekely" "17.0804"
[29,] "Turk_Northwest" "17.2834"
[30,] "Italy_Lazio" "17.2902"
[31,] "Italy_FriuliVG" "18.4214"
[32,] "MD_North" "18.4988"
[33,] "Italy_Abruzzo" "18.8099"
[34,] "Italy_Marche" "18.8179"
[35,] "Italy_Romagna" "19.0451"
[36,] "Bosnian" "19.3589"
[37,] "Crimean_Tatar_Steppe" "19.4685"
[38,] "Greek_Izmir" "20.0945"
[39,] "Italy_Sicily" "20.1157"
[40,] "Turk_West_BlackSea" "20.133"
[41,] "Turk_Southwest" "20.1869"
[42,] "Italy_Veneto" "20.2015"
[43,] "MD_Jewish" "20.244"
[44,] "Italy_Tuscany" "20.6184"
[45,] "Croat" "20.8597"
[46,] "Ashkenazi_Jews" "21.0642"
[47,] "Italy_Emilia" "21.0695"
[48,] "Italy_Piedmont" "21.128"
[49,] "Italy_Campania" "21.1817"
[50,] "Greek_Crete" "21.3206"


Modelling with ancient/modern samples:


[1,] "74.9% Bulgarian_East + 25.1% Turkmen_Uzbekistan" "3.3372"
[2,] "18.1% Xiongnu-Turk_DA38 + 81.9% Bulgarian_Thrace" "3.3719"
[3,] "21.3% Xiongnu-Turk_DA38 + 78.7% Greek_Thessaloniki" "3.4842"
[4,] "16.8% KAZ_Nomad_MA_DA93 + 83.2% Bulgarian_Thrace" "3.522"
[5,] "71.8% Bulgarian_Central + 28.2% Turkmen_Uzbekistan" "3.6098"
[6,] "27.1% Hun_Tian_Shan_DA101 + 72.9% Greek_Thessaloniki" "3.7108"
[7,] "73.9% Greek_Macedonia + 26.1% Turkmen_Uzbekistan" "3.741"
[8,] "23.4% Hun_Tian_Shan_DA385 + 76.6% Greek_Peloponnese" "3.7568"
[9,] "19.1% Hun_Tian_Shan_DA385 + 80.9% Bulgarian_Thrace" "3.8474"
[10,] "20.9% Hun_Tian_Shan_DA100 + 79.1% Bulgarian_Thrace" "3.9066"

[Alenka]

You don't understand my EU refference, I'm talking of more races. A half Black and half Swedish will never been taken as Swedish more than a half Swedish and German. At the end of the day the German guy has basically same germanic roots. And again this is a different case, I'm calling out him because yet he doesnt know how to post his autosomal results. I have no problem to admit if he is more Balkanite, just prove it on autosomal, not on some calcs.
You and Kaspias both have some shared Balkan roots.

If you cluster with Yugos, then your native Balkan ancestry amounts to about 50%.
His probably amounts to a bit more though.
Pretty sure the average Balkan Turk has a higher amount of Paleo-Balkan than the average South Slav.

Average South Slavs are about 50% Slavic invader. This is who you cluster with.
Kaspias is 25% Turkic invader.

So even if you're talking about Balkanite roots, Kaspias beats you.
Deal with it.

[Kayra]

That maestro guy is cringe

[TheMaestro]

Well, Seya, Kökeny and many other individuals from Romania, Moldova, Hungary, Bulgaria, Greece, and N. Macedonia models with 3 components(Balkanic, Slavic, Turkic) too.



I posted my autosomal results many times. Sure thing:

Gedmatch


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_European 26.85
2 Caucasus 25.4
3 Atlantic_Med 18.43
4 Gedrosia 8.87
5 Southwest_Asian 8.41
6 Siberian 5.92
7 East_Asian 3.06
8 Northwest_African 1.72
9 South_Asian 1.31
10 Southeast_Asian 0.01

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Bulgarian (Dodecad) 13.04
2 Romanians (Behar) 13.86
3 Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) 14.33
4 O_Italian (Dodecad) 16.94
5 Greek (Dodecad) 17.53
6 C_Italian (Dodecad) 20.38
7 Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) 20.84
8 Ashkenazi (Dodecad) 21.31
9 Tuscan (HGDP) 21.7
10 S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) 21.83
11 TSI30 (Metspalu) 21.96
12 Sicilian (Dodecad) 22.05
13 Nogais (Yunusbayev) 22.2
14 N_Italian (Dodecad) 23.05
15 Hungarians (Behar) 24.68
16 Turkish (Dodecad) 25.53
17 North_Italian (HGDP) 25.9
18 Sephardic_Jews (Behar) 25.94
19 Turks (Behar) 26.71
20 Morocco_Jews (Behar) 27.13

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 61.4% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 38.6% Chuvashs (Behar) @ 5.07
2 57.1% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 42.9% Chuvashs (Behar) @ 5.25
3 61.2% Sicilian (Dodecad) + 38.8% Chuvashs (Behar) @ 5.6
4 73.4% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 26.6% Uzbeks (Behar) @ 5.91
5 78.2% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 21.8% Hazara (HGDP) @ 6.02
6 68.3% Romanians (Behar) + 31.7% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) @ 6.03
7 67.4% Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) + 32.6% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) @ 6.13
8 62.8% Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) + 37.2% Chuvashs (Behar) @ 6.24
9 59.5% Turks (Behar) + 40.5% Swedish (Dodecad) @ 6.27
10 70.1% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 29.9% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) @ 6.28
11 59.8% Turks (Behar) + 40.2% Norwegian (Dodecad) @ 6.39
12 62.3% Ashkenazi (Dodecad) + 37.7% Chuvashs (Behar) @ 6.45
13 56% Morocco_Jews (Behar) + 44% Chuvashs (Behar) @ 6.45
14 69.4% Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) + 30.6% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) @ 6.49
15 60.7% Turkish (Dodecad) + 39.3% Swedish (Dodecad) @ 6.62
16 72.4% Romanians (Behar) + 27.6% Uzbeks (Behar) @ 6.65
17 71.6% Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) + 28.4% Uzbeks (Behar) @ 6.7
18 72.3% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 27.7% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) @ 6.86
19 76.7% Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) + 23.3% Hazara (HGDP) @ 6.87
20 77.4% Romanians (Behar) + 22.6% Hazara (HGDP) @ 6.88


Updated Vahaduo Single population sharing K=50:



[1,] "Turk_Trakya" "4.8506"
[2,] "Turk_Deliorman" "4.9441"
[3,] "Turk_Makedonya" "8.5557"
[4,] "Pomak" "8.7889"
[5,] "Bulgarian_East" "9.5161"
[6,] "MD_Gagauz" "9.5326"
[7,] "Bulgarian_Thrace" "10.5353"
[8,] "Bulgarian_Central" "11.2261"
[9,] "Greek_Macedonia" "11.3023"
[10,] "Crimean_Tatar_Mountain" "11.3918"
[11,] "MD_South" "11.4919"
[12,] "Bulgarian_West" "11.8848"
[13,] "Greek_Thessaloniki" "12.6297"
[14,] "Greek_Thessaly" "12.6315"
[15,] "Romanian" "12.6879"
[16,] "Greek_Thrace" "12.8129"
[17,] "Greek_Peloponnese" "13.1771"
[18,] "Macedonian" "13.2477"
[19,] "Albanian_Kosovo" "13.6377"
[20,] "Albanian_North" "14.0768"
[21,] "Montenegrin" "14.7005"
[22,] "Greek_Central" "15.0288"
[23,] "MD_Center" "15.1372"
[24,] "Greek_Athens" "15.585"
[25,] "Serb" "16.7211"
[26,] "Greek_Foca" "16.7567"
[27,] "Italy_Apulia" "16.8615"
[28,] "HUN_Szekely" "17.0804"
[29,] "Turk_Northwest" "17.2834"
[30,] "Italy_Lazio" "17.2902"
[31,] "Italy_FriuliVG" "18.4214"
[32,] "MD_North" "18.4988"
[33,] "Italy_Abruzzo" "18.8099"
[34,] "Italy_Marche" "18.8179"
[35,] "Italy_Romagna" "19.0451"
[36,] "Bosnian" "19.3589"
[37,] "Crimean_Tatar_Steppe" "19.4685"
[38,] "Greek_Izmir" "20.0945"
[39,] "Italy_Sicily" "20.1157"
[40,] "Turk_West_BlackSea" "20.133"
[41,] "Turk_Southwest" "20.1869"
[42,] "Italy_Veneto" "20.2015"
[43,] "MD_Jewish" "20.244"
[44,] "Italy_Tuscany" "20.6184"
[45,] "Croat" "20.8597"
[46,] "Ashkenazi_Jews" "21.0642"
[47,] "Italy_Emilia" "21.0695"
[48,] "Italy_Piedmont" "21.128"
[49,] "Italy_Campania" "21.1817"
[50,] "Greek_Crete" "21.3206"


Modelling with ancient/modern samples:


[1,] "74.9% Bulgarian_East + 25.1% Turkmen_Uzbekistan" "3.3372"
[2,] "18.1% Xiongnu-Turk_DA38 + 81.9% Bulgarian_Thrace" "3.3719"
[3,] "21.3% Xiongnu-Turk_DA38 + 78.7% Greek_Thessaloniki" "3.4842"
[4,] "16.8% KAZ_Nomad_MA_DA93 + 83.2% Bulgarian_Thrace" "3.522"
[5,] "71.8% Bulgarian_Central + 28.2% Turkmen_Uzbekistan" "3.6098"
[6,] "27.1% Hun_Tian_Shan_DA101 + 72.9% Greek_Thessaloniki" "3.7108"
[7,] "73.9% Greek_Macedonia + 26.1% Turkmen_Uzbekistan" "3.741"
[8,] "23.4% Hun_Tian_Shan_DA385 + 76.6% Greek_Peloponnese" "3.7568"
[9,] "19.1% Hun_Tian_Shan_DA385 + 80.9% Bulgarian_Thrace" "3.8474"
[10,] "20.9% Hun_Tian_Shan_DA100 + 79.1% Bulgarian_Thrace" "3.9066"


I'm talking about 23andMe etc, not calculators.

[Kaspias]

I'm talking about 23andMe etc, not calculators.

Stop bitching.



Nonsense you are gypsy, it's like Kaspias claiming to be close to modern Balkanite while his results show 10-15 + closest pop, your show almost 17, in that case I can claim to be Dutch or British, which I have 0 connection.

[TheMaestro]

Stop bitching.

ahahaahahaha Turkish kebab getting mad, why you dont post your autosomal results? We are comming to the same conclussion as we did before you didn't want to show them. Show me your results you Balkan boy, if you score on Balkan high I admit I'm wrong, CAN YOU?

[TheMaestro]

That maestro guy is cringe

True.

[TheMaestro]

You and Kaspias both have some shared Balkan roots.

If you cluster with Yugos, then your native Balkan ancestry amounts to about 50%.
His probably amounts to a bit more though.
Pretty sure the average Balkan Turk has a higher amount of Paleo-Balkan than the average South Slav.

Average South Slavs are about 50% Slavic invader. This is who you cluster with.
Kaspias is 25% Turkic invader.

So even if you're talking about Balkanite roots, Kaspias beats you.
Deal with it.

He is Balkan Turk, so a Turk from half and Pomak which is another mixed ethno, if have no problems admitting to be wrong, I just want to see his autosomal results to prove his DNA is same of those people from any Balkans ethnic, yet he doesn't post it, now stop repeating yourself cause you are more anoying than him.

[Chris596]

You and Kaspias both have some shared Balkan roots.

Average South Slavs are about 50% Slavic invader. This is who you cluster with.
Kaspias is 25% Turkic invader.

So even if you're talking about Balkanite roots, Kaspias beats you.
Deal with it.

Nobody can beat my Balkanicness tho, even a Bulgarian member told me I'm more Bulgarian than him genetically xD

[TheMaestro]

You and Kaspias both have some shared Balkan roots.

If you cluster with Yugos, then your native Balkan ancestry amounts to about 50%.
His probably amounts to a bit more though.
Pretty sure the average Balkan Turk has a higher amount of Paleo-Balkan than the average South Slav.

Average South Slavs are about 50% Slavic invader. This is who you cluster with.
Kaspias is 25% Turkic invader.

So even if you're talking about Balkanite roots, Kaspias beats you.
Deal with it.

https://i.imgur.com/fbvfHvA.png

Yeah those are his results ahahahahHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAH I had to search for them for 5 seconds because he was unable to send them and both his YDNA and MTDNA are alien to Balkans again, big balkan boi.

[Kaspias]

ahahaahahaha Turkish kebab getting mad, why you dont post your autosomal results? We are comming to the same conclussion as we did before you didn't want to show them. Show me your results you Balkan boy, if you score on Balkan high I admit I'm wrong, CAN YOU?

What are you talking about man? This is utterly irrelevant to what you said before. You are proved that you're wrong, now looking for an exit door.


Anyway...

Company results, whatever you name it either 23andme or any other company, is not useful while detecting your ethnic admixtures as they are using modern randomized samples from the cities and cluster them according to where they collected. In the case of Turkey, where Balkan Turks and Anatolian Turks live together and both identity as Turk, Balkan Turks usually being collected as "Turkish" data under the Anatolian category. This falsified the results they assign as they are collected as Anatolian references. Results with Balkan Turks, as a group, get a high Anatolian score.

In the case of 23andme, I got 25% Anatolian(not Central Asian, which are still wrong.), then it is updated to 49%. And with the recent update, it is 53%. The rest of the percentages were Balkan with a 1-2% Central Asian component. The logic here is more East Eurasian you have, the more Anatolian you get.




He is Balkan Turk, so a Turk from half and Pomak which is another mixed ethno, if have no problems admitting to be wrong, I just want to see his autosomal results to prove his DNA is same of those people from any Balkans ethnic, yet he doesn't post it, now stop repeating yourself cause you are more anoying than him.

I'm a teacher IRL and you act like naughty kids who don't want to learn anything.

She was right about what she has said until now.

[TheMaestro]

Stop bitching.

I have to admit you are real Balkanite, its not just that you score 32 percent to whole region, you also have YDNA and Mtdna which is not even close to Balkans, yes you've beat us all. HBAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAH

https://i.imgur.com/fbvfHvA.png

[Kaspias]

https://i.imgur.com/fbvfHvA.png

Yeah those are his results ahahahahHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAH I had to search for them for 5 seconds because he was unable to send them and both his YDNA and MTDNA are alien to Balkans again, big balkan boi.

Well, this is indeed cringe.

My Y-DNA is related to Turkic. My mt-DNA is related to Neolithic Farmers, then Thracians.

Neolithic & Copper age samples I0706, I0781, I1298, I2430, and I2509 from Bulgaria bears the same mt-DNA as me.

[TheMaestro]

What are you talking about man? This is utterly irrelevant to what you said before. You are proved that you're wrong, now looking for an exit door.


Anyway...

Company results, whatever you name it either 23andme or any other company, is not useful while detecting your ethnic admixtures as they are using modern randomized samples from the cities and cluster them according to where they collected. In the case of Turkey, where Balkan Turks and Anatolian Turks live together and both identity as Turk, Balkan Turks usually being collected as "Turkish" data under the Anatolian category. This falsified the results they assign as they are collected as Anatolian references. Results with Balkan Turks, as a group, get a high Anatolian score.

In the case of 23andme, I got 25% Anatolian(not Central Asian, which are still wrong.), then it is updated to 49%. And with the recent update, it is 53%. The rest of the percentages were Balkan with a 1-2% Central Asian component. The logic here is more East Eurasian you have, the more Anatolian you get.





I'm a teacher in IRL and you act like naughty kids who don't want to learn anything.

She was right about what she has said until now.

Im Slovakian Hungarian, how does that make me Slovak????? Im Hungarian from Slovakia that doesnt make me Slovak. Same goes for being called Balkanite Turk. You are remnant sperm from Ottoman times that moved to Balkans.
Watchout this guy is a teacher, he know the behaviour of everyone. You are clearly not Balkanite guy, now accept yourself kebab.

[TheMaestro]

Well, this is indeed cringe.

My Y-DNA is related to Turkic.

Yes thank you - kebab is not balkan, atleast you know.

Also mtdna is of west Asian origin, thank you again. Where is your Balkans? Its nice that your kebab ancestors travelled and occupied Balkans, that doesnt makes you Balkanite as if a rat is born in stable doesn't make him a horse.

[Kaspias]

Im Slovakian Hungarian, how does that make me Slovak????? Im Hungarian from Slovakia that doesnt make me Slovak. Same goes for being called Balkanite Turk. You are remnant sperm from Ottoman times that moved to Balkans.
Watchout this guy is a teacher, he know the behaviour of everyone. You are clearly not Balkanite guy, now accept yourself kebab.

Your mother is Hungarian from Slovakia and she is native to where she lives with an addition of Hungarian shift. My father is Turkish from the Balkans, and he models like 60% Thracian and 40% Turkic. Similar to how Bulgarians model 60% Thracian and 40% Slavic. My mother is a Pomak. She models like 65% Thracian and 35% Slavic according to the phased kit.

If I'm not Balkanite, then simply no one is, I'm from the Thrace.




Yes thank you - kebab is not balkan, atleast you know.

Also mtdna is of west Asian origin, thank you again. Where is your Balkans? Its nice that your kebab ancestors travelled and occupied Balkans, that doesnt makes you Balkanite as if a rat is born in stable doesn't make him a horse.

Yes, my yDNA is not of Balkan origin. Similar to how I2a1 or R1a migrated there with Slavic migration. On the other hand, we don't know exactly where K1a originated. It might be in Anatolia indeed as it was a Neolithic Farmer haplogroup, yet the samples I mentioned were from Bulgaria. Even two of them were from Rhodopes.

[Alenka]

He is Balkan Turk, so a Turk from half and Pomak which is another mixed ethno, if have no problems admitting to be wrong, I just want to see his autosomal results to prove his DNA is same of those people from any Balkans ethnic, yet he doesn't post it, now stop repeating yourself cause you are more anoying than him.
Sigh.

I've demonstrated to you in my previous post that even the population you cluster with is another mixed ethno in the eyes of some.
Not in your eyes, but that's just because it's who you cluster with. And theredore you are lenient.

But if you ask some random Albanian who is very proud of his paleo-Balkan heritage; how he sees South Slavs, what will he say?
Mixed mongrels, go back where you came from, invaders, etc,...
Because in their eyes we are.

I've heard neighbouring Italians call Slovenians Pripyat fuckovers.
Because in their eyes we are.

You can't just make your own rules who is Balkan and who isn't, as it pleases you, and think yoir perspective is the absolute truth.
Because every perspective can differ.

You think Kaspias clusters with invaders.
Albanians think you cluster with invaders.

Fact remains, both South Slavs and Balkan Turks became an integral part of the Kaleidoscope that makes the Balkans.
Not everyone likes that fact, but that's just the way it is.

[TheMaestro]

Sigh.

I've demonstrated to you in my previous post that even the population you cluster with is another mixed ethno in the eyes of some.
Not in your eyes, but that's just because it's who you cluster with. And theredore you are lenient.

But if you ask some random Albanian who is very proud of his paleo-Balkan heritage; how he sees South Slavs, what will he say?
Mixed mongrels, go back where you came from, invaders, etc,...
Because in their eyes we are.

I've heard neighbouring Italians call Slovenians Pripyat fuckovers.
Because in their eyes we are.

You can't just make your own rules who is Balkan and who isn't, as it pleases you, and think yoir perspective is the absolute truth.
Because every perspective can differ.

You think Kaspias clusters with invaders.
Albanians think you cluster with invaders.

Fact remains, both South Slavs and Balkan Turks became an integral part of the Kaleidoscope that makes the Balkans.
Not everyone likes that fact, but that's just the way it is.

I already posted you his results, what makes you so butthurt to understand he is far from being a Balkanite? Neither his YDNA or MTDNA is Europe rather than of west asian turkic or central asian origin, now stop quoting me, it's getting anoying.

[Ford]

Yes thank you - kebab is not balkan, atleast you know.

Also mtdna is of west Asian origin, thank you again. Where is your Balkans? Its nice that your kebab ancestors travelled and occupied Balkans, that doesnt makes you Balkanite as if a rat is born in stable doesn't make him a horse.

He is tied to the Balkans for centuries, that makes him Balkan. Most Balkan Slavs have Ydna foreign to the region, doesn't make them (us) any less Balkan. Unless we only consider Greeks, Albanians and Vlachs as Balkan.

[knez01]

First time in my life I see people trying to prove their Balkanite ancestry, usually it's the other way around. :D

[Kaspias]

I already posted you his results, what makes you so butthurt to understand he is far from being a Balkanite? Neither his YDNA or MTDNA is Europe rather than of west asian turkic or central asian origin, now stop quoting me, it's getting anoying.

And I explained why 23andme assigns Anatolia to the Balkan Turks. And what is my mtDNA in fact.

Did you read at least?

[TheMaestro]

Your mother is Hungarian from Slovakia and she is native to where she lives with an addition of Hungarian shift. My father is Turkish from the Balkans, and he models like 60% Thracian and 40% Turkic. Similar to how Bulgarians model 60% Thracian and 40% Slavic. My mother is a Pomak. She models like 65% Thracian and 35% Slavic according to the phased kit.


So yes as Ive said your father is Turkish therefore he is not Balkanite and your mother is Balkanite so with normal logic you are half Balkanite as me, case closed.
+ again your ydna neither of mtdna originates from Balkans.

[TheMaestro]

And I explained why 23andme assigns Anatolia to the Balkan Turks. And what is my mtDNA in fact.

Did you read at least?

I would also assign Balkan Turks to Anatolia cause they are Turks??? What kind of logic you have? So if an Albanian moves to Switzerland, should we now assign him to Switzerland? Or I should be Slovak now?
I did, I just google the halogroups both cluster and originiate out of Europe, basically normal for a kebab.

[TheMaestro]

He is tied to the Balkans for centuries, that makes him Balkan. Most Balkan Slavs have Ydna foreign to the region, doesn't make them (us) any less Balkan. Unless we only consider Greeks, Albanians and Vlachs as Balkan.

How so his dad is Turkish remnant in Balkans, that doesnt make him Balkanite, now Serbs living in Austria are Austrians? You guys on this forum high on ethnic purity but when something contradicts you can find some exemptions in a second, it's hilarious as hell.
Him and me can be both on same level of Balkan DNA but he sounds like he is claiming to be pure/ more Balkanite while his dad is Turkish.

[Kaspias]

First time in my life I see people trying to prove their Balkanite ancestry, usually it's the other way around. :D

I'm just stating what I am and then being accused of lying or "being wannabe kebab." I feel a need to teach him what the truth is.


So yes as Ive said your father is Turkish therefore he is not Balkanite and your mother is Balkanite so with normal logic you are half Balkanite as me, case closed.
+ again your ydna neither of mtdna originates from Balkans.

Well, this is an improvement. But I'm 100% from the Balkans, unlike you.

My father is still more Balkanic compared to an average South Slav. But lacking Slavic admixture, while carrying Turkic admixture. It is like a Slavic Bulgarian who bears Slavic haplogroup. He would be a Balkanite, right? Why not my father?

E-V13 originated in Africa man. My mt-DNA might be dating older than your y-DNA in the Balkans. So, what makes it non-Balkan?


I would also assign Balkan Turks to Anatolia cause they are Turks??? What kind of logic you have? So if an Albanian moves to Switzerland, should we now assign him to Switzerland? Or I should be Slovak now?
I did, I just google the halogroups both cluster and originiate out of Europe, basically normal for a kebab.

Turk is not equal to Anatolian Turk. Turk covers a lot of subgroups such as Balkan Turks, Anatolian Turks, Crimean Tatars, Caucasus Turks. And the term Turk here represents Central Asian admixture, not Anatolian.

[TheMaestro]

First time in my life I see people trying to prove their Balkanite ancestry, usually it's the other way around. :D

He was claiming to be a Balkan boy and all I said he is not even fully Balkanite, he got triggered, autosomal and halogroups show different, he even claims to be more Balkanite than me, but still even that doesn't make sense.

[Kaspias]

He was claiming to be a Balkan boy and all I said he is not even fully Balkanite, he got triggered, autosomal and halogroups show different, he even claims to be more Balkanite than me, but still even that doesn't make sense.

What I did was answering the question "Why Balkanites successful in sports?" And he replied to me "You're not Balkanian."

So, that's it.

[TheMaestro]

I'm just stating what I am and then being accused of lying or "being wannabe kebab." I feel a need to teach him what the truth is.



Well, this is an improvement. But I'm 100% from the Balkans, unlike you.

My father is still more Balkanic compared to an average South Slav. But lacking Slavic admixture, while carrying Turkic admixture. It is like a Slavic Bulgarian who bears Slavic haplogroup. He would be a Balkanite, right? Why not my father?

E-V13 originated in Africa man. My mt-DNA might be dating older than your y-DNA in the Balkans. So, what makes it non-Balkan?



Turk is not equal to Anatolian Turk. Turk covers a lot of subgroups such as Balkan Turks, Anatolian Turks, Crimean Tatars, Caucasus Turks. And the term Turk here represents Central Asian admixture, not Anatolian.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAHA I'm done okay HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[TheMaestro]

What I did was answering the question "Why Balkanites successful in sports?" And he replied to me "You're not Balkanian."

So, that's it.

Yes you are more Balkanite than me with kebab father and also fully Balkanian, we know now, case closed XD

[Deniz]

He was claiming to be a Balkan boy and all I said he is not even fully Balkanite he got triggered, autosomal and halogroups show different, he even claims to be more Balkanite than me, but still even that doesn't make sense.
Do you know the meaning of Balkan?Can you explain it with Hungarian or Albanian languages?;)

[TheMaestro]

Do you know the meaning of Balkan?Can you explain it with Hungarian or Albanian languages?;)

Yes Balkan = Turkic, cog guzel.

[Deniz]

Yes Balkan = Turkic, cog guzel.

Aferin çocuğuma.Maşallah

[Kaspias]

Yes you are more Balkanite than me with kebab father and also fully Balkanian, we know now, case closed XD

Everyone already knew, you know now.

[TheMaestro]

Everyone already knew, you know now.

True, we came to conclussion that Morti and you are Balkanites, close the thread we've figured everything out.

[tipirneni]

1.Read my ancestry results from various companies in my signature, greek is a constant occurance, even when balkan and greece are divided, there is still 20% greek (ancestrydna), 23andme gives me greek regions as likely match, romania is highly likely, greece likely, then are some balkan countries who are in the possible category.
2.I just checked Mytrueancestry because I received a email there are some new samples, i checked a tool top matches by era and for modern era i have greek matches, that is interesting because it is from 19th century so not that much long ago.

My closest modern population is greek_thessaly even before gypsy and serbian, macedonia can maybe be counted too as mixed_greek, and albanian_tosk maybe as similar to greek.

1. Greek_Thessaly (16.97)
2. Macedonian (17.26)
3. Romanian (17.78)
4. Gypsy (18.01)
5. Bulgarian (18.35)
6. Albanian_Tosk (19.49)
7. Serbian (19.67)
8. Bosnian (20.16)

Byzantine + Scythian (14.12)
Scythian + Hellenic Roman (15.59)
Scythian + Roman (16.64)
Byzantine + Gaul (18.78)
Gaul + Hellenic Roman (18.8)

https://i.ibb.co/Yt8bmtB/MTAModernperiod-Skeleton-Lake-Traveller.jpg (https://ibb.co/sFQtnF9)

My distances are indeed quiete high, so is that a real link or nonsense?

There is some Greek connection due to long time of Greaco-Bactrian rule in South Central Asia. Lot of people associated with Buddhism have some small Greek show up. I get following without any direct Greek contribution.
Skeleton Lake Traveller - Hellenic
I3405 (1805 AD)

mtDNA Haplogroup: J1b

Genetic Distance: 84.343
Sample Match! 4% closer than other users


Maybe some of your ancestors already had some Greek mix when left South Asia, when mixed with some more Balkan/Greek you got the distance as it is now.

[Aldaris]

Sigh.

I've demonstrated to you in my previous post that even the population you cluster with is another mixed ethno in the eyes of some.
Not in your eyes, but that's just because it's who you cluster with. And theredore you are lenient.

But if you ask some random Albanian who is very proud of his paleo-Balkan heritage; how he sees South Slavs, what will he say?
Mixed mongrels, go back where you came from, invaders, etc,...
Because in their eyes we are.

I've heard neighbouring Italians call Slovenians Pripyat fuckovers.
Because in their eyes we are.

You can't just make your own rules who is Balkan and who isn't, as it pleases you, and think yoir perspective is the absolute truth.
Because every perspective can differ.

You think Kaspias clusters with invaders.
Albanians think you cluster with invaders.

Fact remains, both South Slavs and Balkan Turks became an integral part of the Kaleidoscope that makes the Balkans.
Not everyone likes that fact, but that's just the way it is.

Next time remind the espagueti gobblers of Reino de Nápoles, Reino de las Dos Sicilias and how Aragón kicked their asses. That should do the job.

[Kaspias]

True, we came to conclussion that Morti and you are Balkanites, close the thread we've figured everything out.

I have never commented on Mortimer.

Mortimer probably carries Serb admixture that makes him shift to Greeks in single population sharing. I have never checked any Gypsy results, so I cannot say anything. He could be like 30% or 50% Balkanite. This is perfectly normal considering he is a Balkan Gypsy. And he has the right to identify as such if that's what you're referring to.

But this is not comparable with the situation of Turks and Slavs. Turkic and Slavic was a pure input absorbed by native Balkanites and formed the modern Balkan people, while Gypsy already had other influencers and their own community isolated than the others.

[Kivan]

That maestro guy is cringe

This guy is kinda obsessed with Turks and always bullying users. What a freak.

https://abload.de/img/fireshotcapture763-whhijyr.png

[TheMaestro]

This guy is kinda obsessed with Turks and always bullying users. What a freak.



Keep posting white bois on classification thread koksal baba my friend, Kivan a legend in TA.
You keep all your screenshots? XDD You've posted this now like 4 times already.

[itilvolga]

Keep posting white bois on classification thread koksal baba my friend, Kivan a legend in TA.
You keep all your screenshots? XDD You've posted this now like 4 times already.

Sometimes you cross the line. Ok some users have called you as “funny guy” but you go on a binge, stop being ridiculous and limit your teenish bullshit a bit.

[TheMaestro]

Sometimes you cross the line. Ok some users have called you as “funny guy” but you go on a binge, stop being ridiculous and limit your teenish bullshit a bit.

Ridiculous? Wondering who is ridicolous, I can post whenever I want, who are you to say me what to do lol. Your countrymen Izmir videos are more funnier or classifications threads.

[mitalit]

can you post your 23andme results?

[itilvolga]

Ridiculous? Wondering who is ridicolous, I can post whenever I want, who are you to say me what to do lol. Your countrymen Izmir videos are more funnier or classifications threads.

And who are you to judge a Balkan Turk’s Balkan roots? You know your place first. Keep clowning to entertain some users but don’t mess with my countrymen here.

[TheMaestro]

And who are you to judge a Balkan Turk’s Balkan roots? You know your place first. Keep clowning to entertain some users but don’t mess with my countrymen here.

Calm down Koksal noone asked for your opinion.

[itilvolga]

Calm down Koksal noone asked for your opinion.

Like anyone asked for yours.

[Hektor12]

Yes Balkan = Turkic, cog guzel.

Bro i got brain damage while reading your messages now i'm same disabled as you (=

But to be fair, you idea is slavic is balkan but turkic can't ever be balkan. Why bro? We arrived in balkan just tiny bit later than slavs, and we both originate from central asia and Altai region.

[TheMaestro]

We arrived in balkan just tiny bit later than slavs, and we both originate from central asia and Altai region.

XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD DDDDD

[TheMaestro]

Like anyone asked for yours.

Congratulations Koksal

[itilvolga]

Lol what a guy please someone call him funny maybe it would make him stop

[TheMaestro]

Lol what a guy please someone call him funny maybe it would make him stop

Triggered hard, need your help of another kebabs so you feel better when they thumb you up? Little simps. Am I trying to be funny? Didn't know it.

[Hektor12]

Lol what a guy please someone call him funny maybe it would make him stop

Balkan + obsession with Turks has a meaning. Which is he "KNOWS" he is real TRASH but he'trying to show himself at least more valuable than Turks, by playing on us. I don't believe that most europeans buy this and he's just making himself look more and more pathetic.

[TheMaestro]

Balkan + obsession with Turks has a meaning. Which is he "KNOWS" he is real TRASH but he'trying to show himself at least more valuable than Turks, by playing on us. I don't believe that most europeans buy this and he's just making himself look more and more pathetic.

Simping hard there boy. It's not like kebabs are obssesed with being European. You are on European cultural forum, yet you are Asians, imagine, ahahahahaahaha. You can't accept yourself sad.

[Hektor12]

yet you are Asians, imagine, ahahahahaahaha. You can't accept yourself sad.

I'm proud of what i am and i totally accept that. Obsession with being european is not something i did choose, but it's where politically and economically and also culturally my country is closer. There are of course some brain disabled person like you, they always try to hold us out of europe, this is not a problem because your kind is no more important than mosquitos :D

Sorry bro you wanted this.

[Insuperable]

If a person A is, for example, 75% French and 25% Nigerian; and person B is 50% French and 50% Italian, then person A is more French than person B. Even though person B likely clusters closer to French people.
And just the same, if Kaspias is 75% Balkan and 25% Central Asian, then he is more Balkan than a 50% Balkan and 50% Hungarian person. Regardless of clustering.

As a Balkanite I consider Maestro more Balkan.

[TheMaestro]

they always try to hold us out of europe,
Sorry bro you wanted this.

Well you are not European, so how can I "hold you out" lol. That make no sense.

[Leto]

I've heard neighbouring Italians call Slovenians Pripyat fuckovers.
Because in their eyes we are.

Lol. It's the curse of being Slavic or even Eastern European - no matter how big your actual or supposed difference is, to some people (generally a lot of people outside of Eastern/Central Europe) you will always be some kind of semi-Russian.

And the Eternal Russky is laughing in the background :swl

[Hektor12]

Well you are not European, so how can I "hold you out" lol. That make no sense.

If i kill you, and settle in your home, fuck your woman and spread offsprings around, i'm european, as some of your ancestors. I'm not coming from space i know how the things work.

[Leto]

I'm proud of what i am and i totally accept that. Obsession with being european is not something i did choose, but it's where politically and economically and also culturally my country is closer. There are of course some brain disabled person like you, they always try to hold us out of europe, this is not a problem because your kind is no more important than mosquitos :D

Culturally closer to Europe? I beg to differ. Turkey is a Muslim country with 97% of its territory located in Asia and it has been quite anti-Christian/anti-European since its inception (especially the Ottoman period). Also Turks don't become Europeans in Western Europe even in the second generation. They feel foreign and brag about their Turco-Muslim heritage. Needles to say almost all Turkic languages are spoken outside of Europe by non-Europeans.

[Alenka]

As a Balkanite I consider Maestro more Balkan.
And I don't.

If you asked both of TheMaestro's parents Are you a Balkanite? you'd likely get one yes and one no.
If you asked both of Kaspias parents Are you a Balkanite? you'd likely get two times yes.

That's what I go by. It's a pretty clear case to me...

Anyways, if TheMaestro considers himself 1000% Balkan I would fully respect that.
But then again, I would also fully respect if he considers himself 1000% Central Euro.
Or 1000% 'penguin. Or 1000% helicopter.
Whatever.

See, I'm a respectful and accepting person.
But I'm still entitled to my own opinion.

Thing is, I don't force it upon others, nor do I make a mockery of those who think differently.
Unlike him.

[pulstar]

And I don't.

If you asked both of TheMaestro's parents Are you a Balkanite? you'd likely get one yes and one no.
If you asked both of Kaspias parents Are you a Balkanite? you'd likely get two times yes.

That's what I go by. It's a pretty clear case to me...

Anyways, if TheMaestro considers himself 1000% Balkan I would fully respect that.
But then again, I would also fully respect if he considers himself 1000% Central Euro.
Or 1000% 'penguin. Or 1000% helicopter.
Whatever.

See, I'm a respectful and accepting person.
But I'm still entitled to my own opinion.

Thing is, I don't force it upon others, nor do I make a mockery of those who think differently.
Unlike him.

You're Slovenian, I don't think they consider you Balkan :ner-ner0:

[Cleitus]

So what? In the real life, Hungarians are a Central European population. All Central Euros have some Balkan-like ancestry.

A 50% Swedish 50% Japanese person is more Swedish than a German is, despite the fact that a German plots closer to Swedes.
A German has some Scandinavian-like ancestry, but that doesn't make him more Swedish than Takashi Svensson.

Real life > genetic plot.

Maestro father is Kosovar Gheg pretty much the epitome of Balkanness*. A German is genetically closer to the original Swedish people than someone who is half Asian. It doesnt make him anymore swedish because something like "swedishness" if you will, doesnt exist. Shared ancestry obviously seems to matter in this aspect.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ae/Distribution_of_the_Balkans_admixture_in_Europe_(a utosomal_researches).png

[Insuperable]

And I don't.

If you asked both of TheMaestro's parents Are you a Balkanite? you'd likely get one yes and one no.
If you asked both of Kaspias parents Are you a Balkanite? you'd likely get two times yes.

That's what I go by. It's a pretty clear case to me...

Anyways, if TheMaestro considers himself 1000% Balkan I would fully respect that.
But then again, I would also fully respect if he considers himself 1000% Central Euro.
Or 1000% 'penguin. Or 1000% helicopter.
Whatever.

See, I'm a respectful and accepting person.
But I'm still entitled to my own opinion.

Thing is, I don't force it upon others, nor do I make a mockery of those who think differently.
Unlike him.

And yet Maestro is infintely more Balkan.

[Cleitus]

I have never commented on Mortimer.

Mortimer probably carries Serb admixture that makes him shift to Greeks in single population sharing. I have never checked any Gypsy results, so I cannot say anything. He could be like 30% or 50% Balkanite. This is perfectly normal considering he is a Balkan Gypsy. And he has the right to identify as such if that's what you're referring to.

But this is not comparable with the situation of Turks and Slavs. Turkic and Slavic was a pure input absorbed by native Balkanites and formed the modern Balkan people, while Gypsy already had other influencers and their own community isolated than the others.

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-P8BQeevsHYY/WiXmhc4z-HI/AAAAAAAAB2Y/SneZHjM6NF0ADeThCtpoig6-9CPx1DKNgCLcBGAs/s1600/genetica%2Bitaliana%2Betnia%2Bitaliana.png

[TheMaestro]

If i kill you, and settle in your home, fuck your woman and spread offsprings around, i'm european, as some of your ancestors. I'm not coming from space i know how the things work.

Said the Ottoman, lel.

[Hektor12]

Culturally closer to Europe? I beg to differ.

I understand your opinions about religious differences but please tell me why Turkey is the member of every european international organization and not a member of single asian/muslim organization ?

[Satem]

I love evolution of this thread, keep going

[Leto]

I understand your opinions about religious differences but please tell me why Turkey is the member of every european international organization and not a member of single asian/muslim organization ?
It's not a member of the EU but then again, the EU is not there to actually represent European culture and nations. As far as I know Turkey is a Nato member which is a Cold War era remnant basically.

Not just religion. Culture AND genetics too. Anatolian Turks don't even plot with Greeks and Italians.

[Hektor12]

Said the Ottoman, lel.

Every nation/race/ethnicity/tribe did this. No exceptions. Not special to particular nationality.

[TheMaestro]

And I don't.

Anyways, if TheMaestro considers himself 1000% Balkan I would fully respect that.
But then again, I would also fully respect if he considers himself 1000% Central Euro.


First of all I didn't say I'm 1000 percent Balkanite, but more Balkanite or atleast same as Kaspias, it came to me wierd someone being Turkish claims so much being Balkanite that's why I opposed him.
I score autosomally in Balkans, I look Balkanite, I plot in Balkans, I have Balkanite culture, that's all.

[Kivan]

It's not a member of the EU but then again, the EU is not there to actually represent European culture and nations. As far as I know Turkey is a Nato member which is a Cold War era remnant basically.

Not just religion. Culture AND genetics too. Anatolian Turks don't even plot with Greeks and Italians.

So? Turks in general don't associate themselves with Greeks or Italians (here in the forum many of them were in constant conflict, for instance). The only Europeans which nationalistic Turks sympathize are muslim Balkanites and Hungarians.

Also, who cares? Being European don't make anyone special or better than others.

[TheMaestro]

I understand your opinions about religious differences but please tell me why Turkey is the member of every european international organization and not a member of single asian/muslim organization ?

Because it's strategic? Also you guys stole Constantinople which is now yours on European soil. You know a saying keep your friends close and your enemies even closer?

[Hektor12]

Anatolian Turks don't even plot with Greeks and Italians.

Do we have to? We plot just outside of them. So, you an draw the line to exclude us or include us, it's up to you.

I saved this graph from this forum.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/87/Procrustes-transformed_PCA_plot_of_genetic_variation_of_Europ ean_populations.png


It's not a member of the EUYes unfortunately, but we're trying to be a member and EU is not rejecting us as a non-european country, they're asking for some standards and things that erdogan will never accept. So with just an acceptable leader and less religious people, it would be possible.

[TheMaestro]

Every nation/race/ethnicity/tribe did this. No exceptions. Not special to particular nationality.

You just said my own did it and now when I said Ottomans did this, you turn that everyone did it, lol. You are getting a bit hilarious my friendo.

[Leto]

So? Turks in general don't associate themselves with Greeks or Italians (here in the forum many of them were in constant conflict, for instance).
The only Europeans which Turks sympathize are muslim Balkanites and Hungarians.

Also, who cares? Being European don't make anyone special or better than others.
You should tell this to Hector, he brought up that subject. And on this forum I hope I still have a right to say that to me the Turks are not white and Islam has no place in Europe without being harassed for no reason.

[Hektor12]

enemies even closer?

For whetever reason, that closer means european territory.

Case closed shit stopped. Go fap somewhere else.

[Leto]

Do we have to? We plot just outside of them. So, you an draw the line to exclude us or include us, it's up to you.

I saved this graph from this forum.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/87/Procrustes-transformed_PCA_plot_of_genetic_variation_of_Europ ean_populations.png

Yes unfortunately, but we're trying to be a member and EU is not rejecting us as a non-european country, they're asking for some standards and things that erdogan will never accept. So with just an acceptable leader and less religious people, it would be possible.
The EU-Turkey negotiations are all but dead at this point. But again, the EU is not interested in the European race and culture, it's actually quite the opposite by the looks of it.

[Hektor12]

Turks are not white and Islam has no place in Europe without being harassed for no reason.

Bro, fuck you and i'm not talking to you anymore, you're brain disabled! What does that mean Turks are not white are we black??? And fuck you even harder, i'm trying to free my country from islam you're accusing me of bringing islam in europe. I'M TURK, NOT MUSLUM.

[TheMaestro]

For whetever reason, that closer means european territory.

Case closed shit stopped. Go fap somewhere else.

If you steal a watch doesn't mean it's yours, lel.

My next fap is on 31st November, sorry.

[Cleitus]

Do we have to? We plot just outside of them. So, you an draw the line to exclude us or include us, it's up to you.

I saved this graph from this forum.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/87/Procrustes-transformed_PCA_plot_of_genetic_variation_of_Europ ean_populations.png

Yes unfortunately, but we're trying to be a member and EU is not rejecting us as a non-european country, they're asking for some standards and things that erdogan will never accept. So with just an acceptable leader and less religious people, it would be possible.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/57/WestEurasia_admixture_crop.png

[Cleitus]

If you steal a watch doesn't mean it's yours, lel.

My next fap is on 31st November, sorry.

Ehrenmann*

[Hektor12]

If you steal a watch doesn't mean it's yours, lel.

It's not a watch and it's a part of the earth existed long before any mammal. Now go fuck your hand, the only thing you can fuck.

[TheMaestro]

It's not a watch and it's a part of the earth existed long before any mammal. Now go fuck your hand, the only thing you can fuck.

Thank you.

[Jana]

I did not ignore this fact. In fact, I explained you a year ago how much Balkanic-like, ancestry Hungarians have, and how we both of us plot. But you didn't even read what I'm saying.

You were like 50% Illyrian, and 50% Slavic.(Albanians are like 20-30% Slavic, Hungarians are like 60-70%.) 50-50 is also amount that Serbs, Croats get. This balance makes you closer to them.

On the other hand, I model 60% Thracian, 15% Slav, 25% Turkic.

These models all are done by using ancient samples; BGR_IA, Scythian_MLD, HRV_IA, Slavic Szolad, Gokturk.




Excuse me? What?



So do I, plus, all of my ancestors lived in the Balkans as opposed to you.



I score 75%.




"Playing Big Balkanite Boi" = Answering the question "Why Balkanites successful in sports?"

In addition, apparently, I have the right to play that "big balkanite boi" thing.




I told you like 10 times.




Either Stearsolina or I are the origin of this information. We had been modeling Hungarians in this forum for more than 3 years.

Incorrect. Croats are on average more Slavic than Hungarians.

[stellan]

It's not a watch and it's a part of the earth existed long before any mammal.

what point are you even trying to make with this statement

[catgeorge]

Distance is too far... your father has heavy Paleobalkan strains that overlaps

[Hektor12]

what point are you even trying to make with this statement

Nothing, it's over now.

Sorry, i'm aware of girls around but this monkeys only understand monkey language and unfortunately i speak monkey language very well.

[Kaspias]

And I don't.

If you asked both of TheMaestro's parents Are you a Balkanite? you'd likely get one yes and one no.
If you asked both of Kaspias parents Are you a Balkanite? you'd likely get two times yes.

That's what I go by. It's a pretty clear case to me...

Anyways, if TheMaestro considers himself 1000% Balkan I would fully respect that.
But then again, I would also fully respect if he considers himself 1000% Central Euro.
Or 1000% 'penguin. Or 1000% helicopter.
Whatever.

See, I'm a respectful and accepting person.
But I'm still entitled to my own opinion.

Thing is, I don't force it upon others, nor do I make a mockery of those who think differently.
Unlike him.

This.


You and Kaspias both have some shared Balkan roots.

If you cluster with Yugos, then your native Balkan ancestry amounts to about 50%.
His probably amounts to a bit more though.
Pretty sure the average Balkan Turk has a higher amount of Paleo-Balkan than the average South Slav.

Average South Slavs are about 50% Slavic invader. This is who you cluster with.
Kaspias is 25% Turkic invader.

So even if you're talking about Balkanite roots, Kaspias beats you.
Deal with it.

This.


And this:


https://i.ibb.co/kcvj5F0/Ads-z.png


I have just came home and was able to prepare a model. This could end the shitstorm earlier.

[Kaspias]

Incorrect. Croats are on average more Slavic than Hungarians.

Yes, they are. Croatia was just an example in that list, the point was not that.

[Kaspias]

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-P8BQeevsHYY/WiXmhc4z-HI/AAAAAAAAB2Y/SneZHjM6NF0ADeThCtpoig6-9CPx1DKNgCLcBGAs/s1600/genetica%2Bitaliana%2Betnia%2Bitaliana.png

What is the point of that PCA? I mean, Turkish are Anatolian Turks here, and?


This is the actual PCA made by proper samples:

Check where Albanian+Hungarian and Kaspias plots.

https://i.ibb.co/x15FJZg/PCA.png

[oszkar07]

You are the real Spartacus

[Chris596]

Incorrect. Croats are on average more Slavic than Hungarians.

So that means I'm still more Slavic than an average Hungarian? (serious question). Because I'm always closer to Croats than Hungarians.

[Jana]

So that means I'm still more Slavic than an average Hungarian? (serious question). Because I'm always closer to Croats than Hungarians.

I don't think you are more Slav than average for Hungary. You are closer to Croats because Croats also have more Paleo Balkan ancestry than Hungarians. And Hungarians have more German. Your German is little to none and that brings you closer to Croats.

But Serbs are your best match.

[Mortimer]

Im not claiming to be German when I'm not.

I dont claim "to be Greek", not even my thread title suggests I claim "to be Greek". Whats wrong with you? And it is different because you might have the same genetic distance to a dutch as i do to greeks, but you dont score dutch or dutch regions on 23andme. I score alot of greek and have many greek regions as likely match.

[Mortimer]

can you post your 23andme results?

It is in my signature also FtdDNA and AncestryDNA