Terminator's MyHeritage and Gedmatch results

[Terminator98]

First, I will start with Y-DNA. Since MH doesn't give that info, I used cladefinder and MorleyDNA predictors.

Both predicted Haplogroup R-M458 as most likely.

https://i.imgur.com/ITk20l7.png


Now, interesting part.

MH ethnicity estimate:

https://i.imgur.com/3MhWJj0.png


Eurogenes K13:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 32.08
2 North_Atlantic 19.93
3 East_Med 18.69
4 West_Med 18.45
5 West_Asian 6.87
6 Red_Sea 2.29
7 East_Asian 1.08
8 Amerindian 0.45
9 Oceanian 0.17


Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Bulgarian 8.62
2 Serbian 8.64
3 Romanian 8.82
4 Moldavian 9.34
5 Croatian 11.43
6 Hungarian 14.13
7 Greek_Thessaly 15.97
8 Ukrainian_Lviv 16.91
9 Ukrainian 17.72
10 Austrian 17.96
11 South_Polish 18.1
12 East_German 18.83
13 Southwest_Russian 20.33
14 Ukrainian_Belgorod 20.8
15 Polish 21.08
16 North_Italian 21.62
17 Tuscan 21.87
18 Russian_Smolensk 22.45
19 Estonian_Polish 22.61
20 Central_Greek 22.97


https://i.imgur.com/wVi66pF.png


Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Bulgarian @ 9.799088
2 Serbian @ 9.876683
3 Romanian @ 10.030158
4 Moldavian @ 10.748354
5 Croatian @ 13.177258
6 Hungarian @ 16.238125
7 Greek_Thessaly @ 18.133467
8 Ukrainian_Lviv @ 19.406149
9 Ukrainian @ 20.298645
10 South_Polish @ 20.743584
11 Austrian @ 20.743700
12 East_German @ 21.773800
13 Southwest_Russian @ 23.083471
14 Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 23.663223
15 Polish @ 24.156105
16 North_Italian @ 24.485737
17 Tuscan @ 24.749525
18 Russian_Smolensk @ 25.623083
19 Estonian_Polish @ 25.773186
20 Tatar @ 25.830641

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Algerian_Jewish +50% Lithuanian @ 5.719890


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Estonian_Polish +25% Greek_Thessaly +25% Italian_Jewish @ 5.705364



https://i.imgur.com/7B11EY3.png


Eurogenes K15:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 21.8
2 North_Sea 16.23
3 East_Med 14.99
4 West_Med 14.49
5 Atlantic 11.43
6 Eastern_Euro 11.07
7 West_Asian 7.34
8 Red_Sea 2.06
9 Southeast_Asian 0.6


Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Romanian 7.61
2 Bulgarian 8.04
3 Moldavian 8.62
4 Serbian 8.9
5 Croatian 10.71
6 Hungarian 11.96
7 Greek_Thessaly 13.27
8 Austrian 14.09
9 Greek 14.9
10 Ukrainian_Lviv 14.91
11 Ukrainian 15.88
12 South_Polish 16.2
13 East_German 17.16
14 Tuscan 18.61
15 Ukrainian_Belgorod 18.81
16 Polish 18.9
17 North_Italian 18.9
18 Russian_Smolensk 18.99
19 Southwest_Russian 19.38
20 Ashkenazi 19.65


https://i.imgur.com/9O323jl.png


Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Romanian @ 8.764128
2 Bulgarian @ 9.311095
3 Moldavian @ 10.031384
4 Serbian @ 10.263328
5 Croatian @ 12.513391
6 Hungarian @ 13.935683
7 Greek_Thessaly @ 15.331872
8 Austrian @ 16.399977
9 Greek @ 17.324108
10 Ukrainian_Lviv @ 17.341675
11 Ukrainian @ 18.502153
12 South_Polish @ 18.844469
13 East_German @ 20.125954
14 Tuscan @ 21.403332
15 North_Italian @ 21.732878
16 Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 21.753382
17 Polish @ 21.983419
18 Russian_Smolensk @ 21.988642
19 Southwest_Russian @ 22.391916
20 Ashkenazi @ 22.606211

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Greek_Thessaly +50% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 4.858415


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Greek_Thessaly +25% Lithuanian +25% Moldavian @ 4.306196


https://i.imgur.com/o1E0N55.png


If you have any comment, suggestion or request for certain calculator, feel free to write. :)

[Chris596]

Wow! Finally you got them, congratulations! You basically score like me, just as I expected it :) GEDmatch models you here as Thessalian Greek, it models me as Bulgarian.

Very interesting, you have over 2% Red_Sea on K13+K15, I score 0% of it. And Myheritage has estimated your ancestry to be 1.3% Middle Eastern, I wonder where that comes from.

[Scandal]

Try vahaduo

[dududud]

Interesting. Do you know your genealogy?

[Ülev]

Hi Rethel

[Jana]

Congrats!

Distance to: Terminator

5.97905511 Serb_B&H_Herzegovina
6.36202012 Serb_Serbia_South&East
6.57381168 Pomak_Plovdiv
6.70280538 Serb_B&H_Krajina
6.83809915 Romania_Maramures
6.90829212 Serb_Serbia
6.97891109 Serb
6.99628473 Moldova_average
7.02085465 Serb_Serbia_West&Central
7.05484940 Serb
7.07163347 Serb_Croatia_Lika
7.13658181 Serb_B&H
7.17112265 Bulgaria_Northwestern
7.26808778 Moldova_Centre
7.37720137 Serb_Croatia_Kordun&Banija
7.51455920 Croat_B&H_Herzegovina
7.52594845 Serb_Croatia
7.56033068 Serb_Serbia_Vojvodina
7.67467915 Romania_Moldavia_North
7.85049680 Bosniak
7.86389852 Romania_Banat
7.91112508 Bosniak_Sarajevo
8.00249961 Romania_Moldavia_South
8.02085407 Moldova_South
8.05946028 Romania_average

[Dušan]

Congratulations on results! :)

Your position in K15 diagram.

https://i.imgur.com/25ng6hD.png

[Scandal]

Congrats!

Distance to: Terminator

5.97905511 Serb_B&H_Herzegovina
6.36202012 Serb_Serbia_South&East
6.57381168 Pomak_Plovdiv
6.70280538 Serb_B&H_Krajina
6.83809915 Romania_Maramures
6.90829212 Serb_Serbia
6.97891109 Serb
6.99628473 Moldova_average
7.02085465 Serb_Serbia_West&Central
7.05484940 Serb
7.07163347 Serb_Croatia_Lika
7.13658181 Serb_B&H
7.17112265 Bulgaria_Northwestern
7.26808778 Moldova_Centre
7.37720137 Serb_Croatia_Kordun&Banija
7.51455920 Croat_B&H_Herzegovina
7.52594845 Serb_Croatia
7.56033068 Serb_Serbia_Vojvodina
7.67467915 Romania_Moldavia_North
7.85049680 Bosniak
7.86389852 Romania_Banat
7.91112508 Bosniak_Sarajevo
8.00249961 Romania_Moldavia_South
8.02085407 Moldova_South
8.05946028 Romania_average

Do you still have his k13 coordinates in your browser or somewhere?

[Leto]

Cool. Are you proud to be an Aryan? (yeah I use it to fucking trigger some people :swl)

Share your Dodecad K12b components as well as Eurogenes K36.

[Terminator98]

Wow! Finally you got them, congratulations! You basically score like me, just as I expected it :) GEDmatch models you here as Thessalian Greek, it models me as Bulgarian.

Very interesting, you have over 2% Red_Sea on K13+K15, I score 0% of it. And Myheritage has estimated your ancestry to be 1.3% Middle Eastern, I wonder where that comes from.

It turned out that I am partly Sephardic Jewish (approx 1/8). In fact I got 2 matches (3.1% and 2.4% shared DNA) with people who are 100% Sephardic Jews. Parents of my maternal grandmother were killed in 1941. when my grandmother was only 4 years old. She had 3 sisters but she was adopted by some family and lost contacts with them. I always knew this story but I just didnt pay attention. Today i talked with my uncle and he said that only thing he knows about his maternal grandmother is that her name was Eva (very typical Jewish name and very atypical for Serbs back then), so I suppose that my great-grandmother is answer. :)

[Jana]

Closest TA members for Terminator:

Distance to: Terminator

4.65992489 YupYup(serb)
5.22367687 vbn(serb)
5.69884199 Nomadic(Croat)
5.70462970 emziepiex3_friend(Serb)
5.84267062 Carpatz(romanian)
5.99460591 Ljubic(croat)
5.99794965 Knez01(croat)
5.99834144 Milenko(serb)
5.99834144 Milenko(serb)
6.45773180 Aye's_father(serb)
7.02168783 Dušan(serb)
7.14676850 un4given(Croat)
7.24923444 Ogi(montenegrin)
7.32817167 lilalila1988(Serb)
7.44757007 Andre(romanian)
7.69999351 CTPAXOTA(Serb)
7.85317770 Zmey(moldovan)
7.96152624 Morlak(serb)
8.03893650 Fieraru(Romanian)
8.05594811 Bosniensis(bosniak)
8.12795177 Ford(serb)
8.23136076 Maestro(Hungarian+Albanian)
8.29056090 mrblazhev(bulgarian)
8.30868221 Chris(hungarian)
8.73547366 TieRed_grandma(serb)

[knez01]

Nice Serb results! I want to ask a question for everbody in this thread although I know it's unrelated, I am going to buy an another genetic test for better raw data, do you guys recommend AncestryDNA or MyHeritage?

[Chris596]

It turned out that I am partly Sephardic Jewish (approx 1/8). In fact I got 2 matches (3.1% and 2.4% shared DNA) with people who are 100% Sephardic Jews. Parents of my maternal grandmother were killed in 1941. when my grandmother was only 4 years old. She had 3 sisters but she was adopted by some family and lost contacts with them. I always knew this story but I just didnt pay attention. Today i talked with my uncle and he said that only thing he knows about his maternal grandmother is that her name was Eva (very typical Jewish name and very atypical for Serbs back then), so I suppose that my great-grandmother is answer. :)

Wow, nice to know that! This case is similar to mine. Myheritage said that I'm 1.2% Ashkenazi Jewish and it appears on FTDNA and DNA.Land too. But I still can't find out who was part Ashkenazi among my ancestors. I also have lots of Jewish DNA matches.

I recommend you to try out Eurogenes Jtest on Vahaduo, it's a wonderful tool, very accurate in my opinion. I get 4% Ashkenazi there and 1.8% with ADC:0.25X

[calxpal]

Cool results Terminator, anything else you learned from these results? :cool:

[Ion Basescul]

First, I will start with Y-DNA. Since MH doesn't give that info, I used cladefinder and MorleyDNA predictors.


Eurogenes K13:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 32.08
2 North_Atlantic 19.93
3 East_Med 18.69
4 West_Med 18.45
5 West_Asian 6.87
6 Red_Sea 2.29
7 East_Asian 1.08
8 Amerindian 0.45
9 Oceanian 0.17


Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Bulgarian 8.62
2 Serbian 8.64
3 Romanian 8.82
4 Moldavian 9.34
5 Croatian 11.43
6 Hungarian 14.13
7 Greek_Thessaly 15.97
8 Ukrainian_Lviv 16.91
9 Ukrainian 17.72
10 Austrian 17.96
11 South_Polish 18.1
12 East_German 18.83
13 Southwest_Russian 20.33
14 Ukrainian_Belgorod 20.8
15 Polish 21.08
16 North_Italian 21.62
17 Tuscan 21.87
18 Russian_Smolensk 22.45
19 Estonian_Polish 22.61
20 Central_Greek 22.97


If you have any comment, suggestion or request for certain calculator, feel free to write. :)

They should have given you 100% Balkan IMO. I guess they split a part of it between Baltic and Greek/South Italian + Middle Eastern because of the higher East Med and perhaps lower North Atlantic. Nice results

[Dušan]

It turned out that I am partly Sephardic Jewish (approx 1/8). In fact I got 2 matches (3.1% and 2.4% shared DNA) with people who are 100% Sephardic Jews. Parents of my maternal grandmother were killed in 1941. when my grandmother was only 4 years old. She had 3 sisters but she was adopted by some family and lost contacts with them. I always knew this story but I just didnt pay attention. Today i talked with my uncle and he said that only thing he knows about his maternal grandmother is that her name was Eva (very typical Jewish name and very atypical for Serbs back then), so I suppose that my great-grandmother is answer. :)

Believe me or not, I put my result into source population of vahaduo K13 original, and you can be modeled as 88% me and 12% Ashkenazi and Jemenite Jew. :)

12% is indeed 1/8

https://i.imgur.com/W6BRCFx.png

[Ion Basescul]

It turned out that I am partly Sephardic Jewish (approx 1/8). In fact I got 2 matches (3.1% and 2.4% shared DNA) with people who are 100% Sephardic Jews. Parents of my maternal grandmother were killed in 1941. when my grandmother was only 4 years old. She had 3 sisters but she was adopted by some family and lost contacts with them. I always knew this story but I just didnt pay attention. Today i talked with my uncle and he said that only thing he knows about his maternal grandmother is that her name was Eva (very typical Jewish name and very atypical for Serbs back then), so I suppose that my great-grandmother is answer. :)

For autosomal purposes that's too distant to influence your results though.

[Dušan]

For autosomal purposes that's too distant to influence your results though.

How could great grandparents be too distant for autosomal genetics? That not true. It's 12.5% of someones genetics each of them.

[Immanenz]

Welcmome to the R1-club :clapping

[Ion Basescul]

How could great grandparents be too distant for autosomal genetics? That not true. It's 12.5% of someones genetics each of them.

If his ggp were Mongols or Nigerians then it that's distinct enough for a Serb and will be picked up easily, but Jewish will blend with the rest, especially when recombination is at play.

You guys need to read more about this, before coming up with wild theories.

https://dna-explained.com/2020/01/14/dna-inherited-from-grandparents-and-great-grandparents/

[Terminator98]

Cool. Are you proud to be an Aryan? (yeah I use it to fucking trigger some people :swl)

Share your Dodecad K12b components as well as Eurogenes K36.

Dodecad k12b

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_European 38.90
2 Atlantic_Med 25.73
3 Caucasus 25.57
4 Southwest_Asian 6.41
5 Southeast_Asian 1.72


Finished reading population data. 223 populations found.
12 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Romanians_Behar @ 5.272533
2 Bulgarians_Yunusbayev @ 6.922757
3 Bulgarian_Dodecad @ 7.084799
4 Hungarians_Behar @ 14.319568
5 O_Italian_Dodecad @ 19.852585
6 German_Dodecad @ 21.293858
7 N_Italian_Dodecad @ 22.432709
8 Greek_Dodecad @ 22.730543
9 TSI30_Metspalu @ 24.128918
10 Tuscan_HGDP @ 24.471361
11 C_Italian_Dodecad @ 25.014807
12 North_Italian_HGDP @ 25.353691
13 Mixed_Germanic_Dodecad @ 26.295631
14 French_Dodecad @ 26.665632
15 French_HGDP @ 26.768587
16 Ukranians_Yunusbayev @ 26.987543
17 Dutch_Dodecad @ 27.776663
18 Polish_Dodecad @ 28.619089
19 Kent_1000Genomes @ 29.994497
20 Ashkenazy_Jews_Behar @ 30.060236

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% C_Italian_Dodecad +50% Ukranians_Yunusbayev @ 2.919105


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Bulgarians_Yunusbayev +25% O_Italian_Dodecad +25% Polish_Dodecad @ 2.593067


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 Sicilian_Dodecad + Tuscan_HGDP + Ukranians_Yunusbayev + Ukranians_Yunusbayev @ 2.556054
2 Belorussian_Behar + Bulgarians_Yunusbayev + Bulgarians_Yunusbayev + TSI30_Metspalu @ 2.561979
3 Belorussian_Behar + Bulgarians_Yunusbayev + C_Italian_Dodecad + Romanians_Behar @ 2.573416
4 Belorussian_Behar + Bulgarians_Yunusbayev + Bulgarians_Yunusbayev + C_Italian_Dodecad @ 2.587886
5 Bulgarians_Yunusbayev + Bulgarians_Yunusbayev + O_Italian_Dodecad + Polish_Dodecad @ 2.593067
6 Belorussian_Behar + Bulgarian_Dodecad + Bulgarians_Yunusbayev + TSI30_Metspalu @ 2.597970
7 Ashkenazi_Dodecad + Polish_Dodecad + Tuscan_HGDP + Ukranians_Yunusbayev @ 2.619377
8 Belorussian_Behar + Bulgarians_Yunusbayev + Bulgarians_Yunusbayev + Tuscan_HGDP @ 2.648914
9 Bulgarians_Yunusbayev + Greek_Dodecad + Lithuanians_Behar + O_Italian_Dodecad @ 2.667768
10 Ashkenazy_Jews_Behar + Polish_Dodecad + Tuscan_HGDP + Ukranians_Yunusbayev @ 2.672085
11 Bulgarians_Yunusbayev + Greek_Dodecad + Lithuanians_Behar + TSI30_Metspalu @ 2.674538
12 Greek_Dodecad + Polish_Dodecad + Polish_Dodecad + Sicilian_Dodecad @ 2.676147
13 Belorussian_Behar + Bulgarian_Dodecad + Bulgarians_Yunusbayev + Tuscan_HGDP @ 2.682640
14 Sicilian_Dodecad + TSI30_Metspalu + Ukranians_Yunusbayev + Ukranians_Yunusbayev @ 2.702985
15 Belorussian_Behar + Greek_Dodecad + Greek_Dodecad + Hungarians_Behar @ 2.715127
16 Greek_Dodecad + Greek_Dodecad + Hungarians_Behar + Polish_Dodecad @ 2.717571
17 S_Italian_Sicilian_Dodecad + Tuscan_HGDP + Ukranians_Yunusbayev + Ukranians_Yunusbayev @ 2.723001
18 Belorussian_Behar + Bulgarian_Dodecad + Bulgarians_Yunusbayev + C_Italian_Dodecad @ 2.727096
19 Greek_Dodecad + Lithuanians_Behar + Romanians_Behar + TSI30_Metspalu @ 2.745007
20 Bulgarians_Yunusbayev + Bulgarians_Yunusbayev + Mixed_Slav_Dodecad + TSI30_Metspalu @ 2.750303

Done.


Eurogenes k36

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Italian 21.46
2 East_Central_Euro 18.82
3 East_Balkan 10.33
4 Central_Euro 9.17
5 Eastern_Euro 6.11
6 North_Atlantic 5.19
7 West_Caucasian 5.08
8 East_Med 4.46
9 French 3.55
10 Fennoscandian 3.17
11 Armenian 2.93
12 Basque 2.62
13 Iberian 1.54
14 North_Sea 1.26
15 Near_Eastern 1.22
16 North_Caucasian 1.16
17 West_Med 1.15

[Ion Basescul]

If his ggp were Mongols or Nigerians then it that's distinct enough for a Serb and will be picked up easily, but Jewish will blend with the rest, especially when recombination is at play.

You guys need to read more about this, before coming up with wild theories.

https://dna-explained.com/2020/01/14/dna-inherited-from-grandparents-and-great-grandparents/

I'll highlight the relevant part, because I know that most people are too upstuck to read and change their opinion.

https://i1.wp.com/dna-explained.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/Gammon-greatgrandparents-average-cM.png?w=712&ssl=1



On average, a person receives 1,129 cM from the great-grandparent that they inherited the most of their DNA from and only 600 cM from the great-grandparent that they received the least of their DNA from. But none of us are the result of 25,000 trials – we are each the product of recombination events that occurred once only. The above chart shows the average or typical variation in the amount of DNA received from the eight great-grandparents. Half of people will have experienced more variation than shown above and half of people will have experienced less variation.


Could you have received the same amount of DNA from all eight grandparents? Of course, it is possible, but it turns out that it is extremely unlikely. The average is 12.5% (854.5 cM) so anything between 12% (820.4 cM) and 13% (888.7 cM) could be considered as being close to this figure. The results reveal that this did not occur in any of the 25,000 simulations. Not one person received amounts between 12% and 13% from all eight great-grandparents.

[JohnnyP]

Bratski from which city you are ?

[Leto]

Dodecad k12b

Dude, just post the unsorted components ;)

[Rethel]

So, if we have Terminator from Srbija, there is a need for recalling Robocop from Hrvatska! :laugh:

[Nurzat]

...

until seeing this I thought it's evenly distributed, so actually one of your ggp can give you twice the DNA another ggp gives you, wow

[Rethel]

First, I will start with Y-DNA. Since MH doesn't give that info, I used cladefinder and MorleyDNA predictors.

Both predicted Haplogroup R-M458 as most likely.

There is a strong need for certainty. Prediction is not enaugh.


Now, interesting part.

Nonsense.

[Terminator98]

Dude, just post the unsorted components ;)


Population
Gedrosia 0.99 Pct
Siberian -
Northwest_African 0.68 Pct
Southeast_Asian 1.72 Pct
Atlantic_Med 25.73 Pct
North_European 38.9 Pct
South_Asian -
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 6.41 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 25.57 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

[Ion Basescul]

until seeing this I thought it's evenly distributed, so actually one of your ggp can give you twice the DNA another ggp gives you, wow

Yeah, in 25k simulations, they never found an even inheritance of 12.5% from each great-grandparent. It's always hectic and one could receive like 6% or less from one and like 20% from another. But hey, we are special on Apricity and an exception of course :lol:

[Terminator98]

Cool results Terminator, anything else you learned from these results? :cool:

Only that i am 1/8 Jewish, nothing special. xD


Believe me or not, I put my result into source population of vahaduo K13 original, and you can be modeled as 88% me and 12% Ashkenazi and Jemenite Jew. :)

12% is indeed 1/8

https://i.imgur.com/W6BRCFx.png

Slav, Vlach and Jew. What a combination!


Bratski from which city you are ?

I live in north Serbia (Vojvodina) but my ancestors lived in Croatia and Bosnia.

[Leto]

Population
Gedrosia 0.99 Pct
Siberian -
Northwest_African 0.68 Pct
Southeast_Asian 1.72 Pct
Atlantic_Med 25.73 Pct
North_European 38.9 Pct
South_Asian -
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 6.41 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 25.57 Pct
Sub_Saharan -
Pretty low Gedrosia, only 1 percent.

[Jana]

There is a strong need for certainty. Prediction is not enaugh.



Nonsense.

He is surely R1a. These predictions are completely reliable. No need to throw more money for that. Subclade predictions too, Hrvoje got same subclade of R1b on hg test like in morley or yseq cladefinder. My father too. Etc.

[Terminator98]

Pretty low Gedrosia, only 1 percent.

I am not really expert in genetics (i know only basic things) so not sure that I understand what you want to say. :)

[Leto]

I am not really expert in genetics (i know only basic things) so not sure that I understand what you want to say. :)
I'm saying that's a very low score for most if not all European nations.

[Rethel]

He is surely R1a. These predictions are completely reliable. No need to throw more money for that. Subclade predictions too, Hrvoje got same subclade of R1b on hg test like in morley or yseq cladefinder. My father too. Etc.

Even if, can he know important markers (how many?), or SNPs, and more crucial and tasty stuff?
Can he even compare himself to anyone? Actually, he can be stripped of 90% of fun, even on basic level.

And btw, what means this next best prediction, which palces him under Z93?

[Dušan]

Slav, Vlach and Jew. What a combination!



Your K13 ancient calculator

Target: Terminator(Serb)
Distance: 2.6366% / 2.63662716 | ADC: 0.25x
44.4 Sungir6_Early_Medieval_Russian_I2a_I2a_
27.0 MJ12_Thraco_Kimmerian_
7.8 MJ14_West_Scythian_R1a_Z645_
7.4 I2520_Bulgaria_EBA_5132_ybp
5.8 I1187_Israel_C_5950_ybp
5.6 R53_Lazio_Rome_Late_Medieval_Italy
2.0 I1113_Bulgaria_MP_N_7983_ybp

[Insuperable]

Mazel tov. Is your maternal or paternal grandmother from w. herzegovina?

[Mingle]

Nice Serb results! I want to ask a question for everbody in this thread although I know it's unrelated, I am going to buy an another genetic test for better raw data, do you guys recommend AncestryDNA or MyHeritage?
Easy choice, get AncestryDNA. It has the best raw data. MyHeritage has the worst AFAIK.

[CommonSense]

Even if, can he know important markers (how many?), or SNPs, and more crucial and tasty stuff?
Can he even compare himself to anyone? Actually, he can be stripped of 90% of fun, even on basic level.

And btw, what means this next best prediction, which palces him under Z93?

There's never been a Serbian male who tested positive for R-Z93 so far. We've got thousands of samples.

[knez01]

Easy choice, get AncestryDNA. It has the best raw data. MyHeritage has the worst AFAIK.

Thanks, but the worst raw data is 23andme v5 I believe.

[Dušan]

Your K13 ancient calculator

Target: Terminator(Serb)
Distance: 2.6366% / 2.63662716 | ADC: 0.25x
44.4 Sungir6_Early_Medieval_Russian_I2a_I2a_
27.0 MJ12_Thraco_Kimmerian_
7.8 MJ14_West_Scythian_R1a_Z645_
7.4 I2520_Bulgaria_EBA_5132_ybp
5.8 I1187_Israel_C_5950_ybp
5.6 R53_Lazio_Rome_Late_Medieval_Italy
2.0 I1113_Bulgaria_MP_N_7983_ybp

52.2% ancient Slav
42% ancient Vlach
5.8% ancient Hebrew

[Terminator98]

52.2% ancient Slav
42% ancient Vlach
5.8% ancient Hebrew

Considering that we talk about 1/8, 6% seems somehow smallish. xD

[Dušan]

Considering that we talk about 1/8, 6% seems somehow smallish. xD

Jews in diaspora mixed with southern Europeans to some degree.

[CommonSense]

Jews in diaspora mixed with southern Europeans to some degree.

Yes, even the Sephardi Jews are far from pure Levantines:

Sephardic_Jewish,15.63,1.81,19.83,13.04,36.91,8.90 ,0.61,0.38,0.78,0.00,0.33,1.12,0.65

[Dick]

Congratulations on your results.


He is surely R1a. These predictions are completely reliable. No need to throw more money for that. Subclade predictions too, Hrvoje got same subclade of R1b on hg test like in morley or yseq cladefinder. My father too. Etc.

My father's Myheritage raw data was also correct.

[Chris596]

Considering that we talk about 1/8, 6% seems somehow smallish. xD

So did you try Eurogenes Jtest? I consider it to be very accurate. With ADC:0.25x it models me almost perfectly as 50% Hungarian + 50% Romanian (both of my parents are Hungarians ethnically, my mom's ancestry is from the Hungarian Plain and my father's ancestry is from Romania, Szeklerland). This is why I consider it very accurate too. These are my results, I forgot that it gives me 2.4% Ashkenazi, not 1.8%. I don't know what to say about the Italian/Sardinian but that consistently appears on G25 too:

Target: Chris
Distance: 2.3425% / 2.34247159 | ADC: 0.25x
47.8 HU
44.0 RO
5.2 North_Italian
2.4 AJ (Ashkenazi Jewish)
0.6 Sardinian

[Terminator98]

So did you try Eurogenes Jtest? I consider it to be very accurate. With ADC:0.25x it models me almost perfectly as 50% Hungarian + 50% Romanian (both of my parents are Hungarians ethnically, my mom's ancestry is from the Hungarian Plain and my father's ancestry is from Romania, Szeklerland). This is why I consider it very accurate too. These are my results, I forgot that it gives me 2.4% Ashkenazi, not 1.8%. I don't know what to say about the Italian/Sardinian but that consistently appears on G25 too:

Target: Chris
Distance: 2.3425% / 2.34247159 | ADC: 0.25x
47.8 HU
44.0 RO
5.2 North_Italian
2.4 AJ (Ashkenazi Jewish)
0.6 Sardinian

It doesnt make much sense in my case.

Target: Terminator
Distance: 6.3257% / 6.32565337 | ADC: 0.25x
38.4 RO
16.2 Tuscan
15.4 LIT
12.2 UA
11.0 GR
6.4 HU
0.4 AJ

Higher I set ADC, higher distance I get. Lowest distance I get without ADC, but still big and inaccurate:

Target: Terminator
Distance: 5.0423% / 5.04230448
44.6 LIT
28.8 Tuscan
19.4 GR
3.2 Druze
2.4 AJ
1.6 Sardinian

[Abriekman]

So did you try Eurogenes Jtest? I consider it to be very accurate.


It is very accurate for me too, even while there is no Bulgarian samples and Polish samples are weird here

Target: Abriekman
Distance: 2.4780% / 2.47800206
73.4 Ukrainian-Russian
9.4 North_Russian
7.4 RO
3.4 Sardinian
3.2 Druze
1.6 GE
1.6 Kurdish

[Scandal]

edit: double post !

[Scandal]

Target: Terminator(Serb)
Distance: 0.6786% / 0.67857291
38.4 Sturmgewehr(albanian)
23.8 Cumansky(polish/ukrainian)
22.0 Knez01(croat)
5.2 Kelmendasi(albanian)
5.2 Lukasz(polish)
2.4 SSlava(russian)
1.8 Elnar(tatar/mordvin)
0.6 Thanas_Django(greek_cypriot)
0.2 Norka(russian/tatar)
0.2 MaldenK(palestinian)
0.2 Levant15(palestinian_christian)


Target: Terminator(Serb)
Distance: 1.8837% / 1.88367206 | ADC: 0.25x
44.6 Knez01(croat)
29.8 emziepiex3_friend(Serb)
13.0 Sturmgewehr(albanian)
6.2 Nomadic(Croat)
4.0 mrblazhev(bulgarian)
2.4 Elnar(tatar/mordvin)

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?327894-Modeling-yourself-with-other-Apricity-members-using-vahaduo-eurogenes-k13

[WeirdLookingFellow]

I'll highlight the relevant part, because I know that most people are too upstuck to read and change their opinion.

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Via my 2 Myheritage relatives which are the grandchildren of my great-grandmother's 2 siblings (a brother and a sister), I share 167cm with one and 108cm with the other.

Technically I should share around 125cm (in an above average scenario of 1000cm shared) so it checks out.

[Moje ime]

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Congrats on results. :)


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Baltic 32.08! Don't you like it?

[Dušan]

Eurogenes k36

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Italian 21.46
2 East_Central_Euro 18.82
3 East_Balkan 10.33
4 Central_Euro 9.17
5 Eastern_Euro 6.11
6 North_Atlantic 5.19
7 West_Caucasian 5.08
8 East_Med 4.46
9 French 3.55
10 Fennoscandian 3.17
11 Armenian 2.93
12 Basque 2.62
13 Iberian 1.54
14 North_Sea 1.26
15 Near_Eastern 1.22
16 North_Caucasian 1.16
17 West_Med 1.15

K36 map:

https://i.postimg.cc/tgQjzcqM/Capture36.png

[Leto]

Congrats on results. :)



Baltic 32.08! Don't you like it?
His North Atlantic is barely 20%, so I suppose some of it just went into the Baltic. 29-30% B and 22-23% NA would look more balanced for a Serb.

[Abriekman]

It turned out that I am partly Sephardic Jewish (approx 1/8). In fact I got 2 matches (3.1% and 2.4% shared DNA) with people who are 100% Sephardic Jews. Parents of my maternal grandmother were killed in 1941. when my grandmother was only 4 years old. She had 3 sisters but she was adopted by some family and lost contacts with them. I always knew this story but I just didnt pay attention. Today i talked with my uncle and he said that only thing he knows about his maternal grandmother is that her name was Eva (very typical Jewish name and very atypical for Serbs back then), so I suppose that my great-grandmother is answer. :)


Do you have 23andme results? If yes, could you please share it?

[Moje ime]

It turned out that I am partly Sephardic Jewish (approx 1/8). In fact I got 2 matches (3.1% and 2.4% shared DNA) with people who are 100% Sephardic Jews. Parents of my maternal grandmother were killed in 1941. when my grandmother was only 4 years old. She had 3 sisters but she was adopted by some family and lost contacts with them. I always knew this story but I just didnt pay attention. Today i talked with my uncle and he said that only thing he knows about his maternal grandmother is that her name was Eva (very typical Jewish name and very atypical for Serbs back then), so I suppose that my great-grandmother is answer. :)

Do you know where her ancestry might be from? At least approximately?

[Mortimer]

I saw a Croat who looks very similar to you on a guessing Facebook group

[Teutonski]

congrats brate

I was expecting some Avar tho

[Terminator98]

Do you have 23andme results? If yes, could you please share it?

No, 23andme doesn't ship to Serbia.


Do you know where her ancestry might be from? At least approximately?

No, i know nothing about her except her name, but I will investigate it. :)


congrats brate

I was expecting some Avar tho

Why Avar if I may ask? :D

[Alenka]

Congrats on your results!
:)

[Leto]

How could great grandparents be too distant for autosomal genetics? That not true. It's 12.5% of someones genetics each of them.


If his ggp were Mongols or Nigerians then it that's distinct enough for a Serb and will be picked up easily, but Jewish will blend with the rest, especially when recombination is at play.

You guys need to read more about this, before coming up with wild theories.

https://dna-explained.com/2020/01/14/dna-inherited-from-grandparents-and-great-grandparents/
Yes. Not a Cop, a Russian user is 1/8 Baltic German (100% confirmed, grandfather was tested), yet he is barely more Western than an average Russian. He is also 1/8 Polish but that of course should be even less noticeable given the overall similarity between Poles and Russians.

I've also seen Russians of partial Jewish descent, in some cases the Jewish influence (on Gedmatch) was weaker than one would expect it to be but then again, Serbs are naturally more Southern European than Russians, so that type of ancestry would blend in with the rest more easily in their case.

[Dušan]

Yes. Not a Cop, a Russian user is 1/8 Baltic German (100% confirmed, grandfather was tested), yet he is barely more Western than an average Russian. He is also 1/8 Polish but that of course should be even less noticeable given the overall similarity between Poles and Russians.

I've also seen Russians of partial Jewish descent, in some cases the Jewish influence (on Gedmatch) was weaker than one would expect it to be but then again, Serbs are naturally more Southern European than Russians, so that type of ancestry would blend in with the rest more easily in their case.

Some genetic material must be inherited from each great grandparent. It maybe not exactly 12.5%, but certainly it is NOT 0%.

[Abriekman]

Yes. Not a Cop, a Russian user is 1/8 Baltic German (100% confirmed, grandfather was tested), yet he is barely more Western than an average Russian. He is also 1/8 Polish but that of course should be even less noticeable given the overall similarity between Poles and Russians.

I've also seen Russians of partial Jewish descent, in some cases the Jewish influence (on Gedmatch) was weaker than one would expect it to be but then again, Serbs are naturally more Southern European than Russians, so that type of ancestry would blend in with the rest more easily in their case.

Ashkenazi and Sephardic Jews on average are 50% Southern European, 50% Levantine should be visible. You are correct about people who are Southern European and Sephardic, for example 23andme thinks, that Southern European admixture, that comes from Jewish ancestor is RECENT Southern European ancestry.
For example I have 6% Bulgarian ancestry, which shows up as 6-7% Greek and Balkan on 23andme and I have 2-3% Western Asian + Ashkenazi category and other 3% are Greek and Balkan, but usually if person is full Sephardic, he does not have Balkan, but Italian or Spanish, like I had it on 5.2 , but now 23andme uses smooth effect, which is a bit similiar to AncestryDNA and to Gedmatch calculators

[Leto]

Some genetic material must be inherited from each great grandparent. It maybe not exactly 12.5%, but certainly it is NOT 0%.
Yeah but is it zero for Terminator?

[Leto]

Ashkenazi and Sephardic Jews on average are 50% Southern European, 50% Levantine should be visible. You are correct about people who are Southern European and Sephardic, for example 23andme thinks, that Southern European admixture, that comes from Jewish ancestor is RECENT Southern European ancestry.
For example I have 6% Bulgarian ancestry, which shows up as 6-7% Greek and Balkan on 23andme and I have 2-3% Western Asian + Ashkenazi category and other 3% are Greek and Balkan, but usually if person is full Sephardic, he does not have Balkan, but Italian or Spanish, like I had it on 5.2 , but now 23andme uses smooth effect, which is a bit similiar to AncestryDNA and to Gedmatch calculators
Well, Terminator hasn't done 23andme and even if he did, it doesn't have a separate Sephardic cluster. He'd probably get a bit of Italian, broadly Southern Euro and Western Asian.

By the way, I think Sephardic Jews are not 50% European, 30-35% would be more realistic.

[Dušan]

Yeah but is it zero for Terminator?

He indeed got 5.8% ancient Israelite sample in ancient K13 calculator.

If you dont believe, try it for yourself.


Terminator(Serb),19.93,32.08,18.45,6.87,18.69,2.29 ,0,0,1.08,0.45,0.17,0,0

[Abriekman]

Well, Terminator hasn't done 23andme and even if he did, it doesn't have a separate Sephardic cluster. He'd probably get a bit of Italian, broadly Southern Euro and Western Asian.

By the way, I think Sephardic Jews are not 50% European, 30-35% would be more realistic.

He would score Italian in 5.2, not now. My all mixed Southern European-Sephardic matches have only Balkan as Southern European admixture in Jews.

Percentages South-Euro - West Asia in Jews can vary, 23andme is not representative, however I saw 70% Southern European and 30% Western Asian Jews and 70% Western Asian and 30% Southern Euro

35% is real, I agree, usually about 35% Italian full Sephardim get on G25. Only on Global25 we can know average percentage

[Leto]

He indeed got 5.8% ancient Israelite sample in ancient K13 calculator.

If you dont believe, try it for yourself.


Terminator(Serb),19.93,32.08,18.45,6.87,18.69,2.29 ,0,0,1.08,0.45,0.17,0,0
I do :)
Actually his East Med and Red Sea are not low - 18+% EM, 2+% RS. Like I previously said his high Baltic is likely because of the low North Atlantic (Serbian averages are all 23-25% NA, he is only 20%).

[Dušan]

I do :)
Actually his East Med and Red Sea are not low - 18+% EM, 2+% RS. Like I previously said his high Baltic is likely because of the low North Atlantic (Serbian averages are all 23-25% NA, he is only 20%).

His Baltic - North Atlantic ratio is normal and it can be found among us.
Similar ratio have I, vbnekthio and forum member СТРАХОТА.

[Leto]

His Baltic - North Atlantic ratio is normal and it can be found among us.
Similar ratio have I, vbnekthio and forum member СТРАХОТА.
I didn't say it's totally strange. I said it's likely somewhat unbalanced compared to the averages.
Anyway, of course the guy is a full Serb. A great-grandmother who was an orphan, probably even baptized is not very important IMO. It's not nothing either but I wouldn't make a big deal out of that. The connection is way too faint at this point.

[Dušan]

I didn't say it's totally strange. I said it's likely somewhat unbalanced compared to the averages.
Anyway, of course the guy is a full Serb. A great-grandmother who was an orphan, probably even baptized is not very important IMO. It's not nothing either but I wouldn't make a big deal out of that. The connection is way too faint at this point.

It was very interesting when ancient K13 reveal that sample, that could link with his great grandmothers heritage.

I love autosomal genetics so much, it is a great stuff.

[17571imre]

this is what you score with Andre Balkan k13 model:

Target: Terminator(Serb)
Distance: 3.9119% / 3.91191686
58.8 Belorussian
27.2 Greek_Cypriot
14.0 Sardinian

[Jana]

I didn't say it's totally strange. I said it's likely somewhat unbalanced compared to the averages.
Anyway, of course the guy is a full Serb. A great-grandmother who was an orphan, probably even baptized is not very important IMO. It's not nothing either but I wouldn't make a big deal out of that. The connection is way too faint at this point.

He can't be full Serb if one of his grandparents was a Croat, and from what I understand that is the case.

[Luke35]

Congrats Term, I was away for the weekend but I saw your results had come in. Looks like you got some interesting comments/analysis here in the thread.

How many SNP's do you score on the Eurogenes calcs? Maybe the boosted Red Sea is an artifact of a 60,000 SNP count vs. a 160,000 count? But really it sounds like you have traceable Jewish ancestry anyway, so your result probably jives with reality.

[Terminator98]

Congrats Term, I was away for the weekend but I saw your results had come in. Looks like you got some interesting comments/analysis here in the thread.

How many SNP's do you score on the Eurogenes calcs? Maybe the boosted Red Sea is an artifact of a 60,000 SNP count vs. a 160,000 count? But really it sounds like you have traceable Jewish ancestry anyway, so your result probably jives with reality.

Around 80000. Yeah, I got matches who are 100% Sephardic Jewish. I think that's enough to believe in Jewish ancestry. I did this test to find out the truth, so i don't have reason to not accept it. :)

[dududud]

He can't be full Serb if one of his grandparents was a Croat, and from what I understand that is the case.

You are embarking on a perilous path: I have already tried to make Leto understand that having a foreign great or great-great-grandfather does not amount to "fully" (in the concept and genealogy, and genetic) For example, to have a Ukrainian great-grandmother when the rest of the ancestors are French, is to be "mainly French", but not "purely French" (and yes there are pure French, like my father) and yes, in general this has still an impact on the autosomal of the person and the way it clusters with people (it is as if to say that having 12% Negro blood was not "important" and "too distant", whereas that always an influence on the genes of the person, the autosomal, the cluster, etc.).

As for the other corners, I don't know but I suppose there are still pure Croatians, pure Serbs, etc. People who have been totally pure for the past 700 years.

[Abriekman]

Around 80000. Yeah, I got matches who are 100% Sephardic Jewish. I think that's enough to believe in Jewish ancestry. I did this test to find out the truth, so i don't have reason to not accept it. :)

Do you have more Latin American and Ashkenazi matches, than Sephardic? I do, I want to know how situation with matches other people with distant Sephardic ancestry is

[Terminator98]

Do you have more Latin American and Ashkenazi matches, than Sephardic? I do, I want to know how situation with matches other people with distant Sephardic ancestry is

I dont have any Latin American match. As for Jews, I have more matches among Sephardic than Ashkenazi Jews.

[17571imre]

you can also upload your aurosomal dna to https://dna.land/ to get some more results. i think they work good for people with Eastern European DNA.

[Abriekman]

I dont have any Latin American match. As for Jews, I have more matches among Sephardic than Ashkenazi Jews.

It is weird, I have more Ashkenazi matches, my partial ancestry is Sephardic

[Hulu]

I dont have any Latin American match. As for Jews, I have more matches among Sephardic than Ashkenazi Jews.

Where do you have these matches?


I am not convinced. Your Red Sea is not that high, some Albanians have it too. The East Asian is unusual but not for a slav. Amerindian is a proxy for what?

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 32.08
2 North_Atlantic 19.93
3 East_Med 18.69
4 West_Med 18.45
5 West_Asian 6.87
6 Red_Sea 2.29
7 East_Asian 1.08
8 Amerindian 0.45
9 Oceanian 0.17

Also the tiny South East Asian here.
1 Baltic 21.8
2 North_Sea 16.23
3 East_Med 14.99
4 West_Med 14.49
5 Atlantic 11.43
6 Eastern_Euro 11.07
7 West_Asian 7.34
8 Red_Sea 2.06
9 Southeast_Asian 0.6

[Terminator98]

Where do you have these matches?


I am not convinced. Your Red Sea is not that high, some Albanians have it too. The East Asian is unusual but not for a slav. Amerindian is a proxy for what?

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 32.08
2 North_Atlantic 19.93
3 East_Med 18.69
4 West_Med 18.45
5 West_Asian 6.87
6 Red_Sea 2.29
7 East_Asian 1.08
8 Amerindian 0.45
9 Oceanian 0.17

Also the tiny South East Asian here.
1 Baltic 21.8
2 North_Sea 16.23
3 East_Med 14.99
4 West_Med 14.49
5 Atlantic 11.43
6 Eastern_Euro 11.07
7 West_Asian 7.34
8 Red_Sea 2.06
9 Southeast_Asian 0.6

From what I've seen all europeans have Siberian component (from ANE/Indo-Europeans) which is basically same as East Asian/Amerindian, even south Italians and Greeks have this so there is nothing strange about it. About Jewish ancestry, well it's not just red sea, it's red sea + high meds (both east and west but especially east med). I expected something like 15-16 west and 13-15 east med, that would be typical for region where I am from.
Also, I got 4 or 5 (not sure at this moment) matches with Jewish names and surnames on MyHeritage site, all of them with more than 1% of shared dna (which is not small at all). I even messaged two of them and both answered that they are fully Jewish and that their families lived in Yugoslavia (one family migrated to USA, other to Germany). So it's very realistic to believe that I have some Jewish ancestry (around 1/8), just not completely sure from which parent (i'm planning to test them after corona). :)

[Mortimer]

Srbenda, Congratz.