Am i closer to subsaharan africans if i am southern?

[chrisbab]

I hear that i am more southern than the average on my country on my dna test. However, i score 0% subsaharan african on gedmatch and most dna test. How i pull more toward ssa even if i have 0% of them in my dna?

[Trouble]

You are not.

[Chaos One]

You don't lol

[zebruh]

I hear that i am more southern than the average on my country on my dna test. However, i score 0% subsaharan african on gedmatch and most dna test. How i pull more toward ssa even if i have 0% of them in my dna?Thats averages. Statistical data of various people.

[NSXD60]

How? You look in the mirror, that's how.

[Celto-Germanic]

I hear that i am more southern than the average on my country on my dna test. However, i score 0% subsaharan african on gedmatch and most dna test. How i pull more toward ssa even if i have 0% of them in my dna?

No. It isn't a scale, being less northern european doesn't mean you're more black.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a3/Plos.Balkans.2.png

[Chris596]

Interesting question. I just checked, for example Europeans are closer to most Sub Saharans than East Asians. So being East Asian or part East Asian you are further away from Sub Saharans.

[WeirdLookingFellow]

Vlachs are Wakandans.

[Chris596]

Vlachs are Wakandans.

Short answer: yes

Using Eurogenes K13 averages

Distance to: Norwegian
82.20117882 Ethiopian_Tigray
82.70331311 Ethiopian_Amhara
84.88360678 Ethiopian_Oromo
86.15786151 Somali
86.19146884 Maasai
86.80431614 Ethiopian_Wolayta
92.34437503 San
93.92646698 Ethiopian_Anuak
95.38295340 Mbuti_Pygmy
95.57870631 Ethiopian_Ari_cultivator
97.12719907 Ethiopian_Gumuz
100.77490709 Biaka_Pygmy
107.11655801 Mandenka
112.28295552 Yoruban

Distance to: Italian
63.07513615 Ethiopian_Tigray
64.52754451 Ethiopian_Amhara
69.45606309 Ethiopian_Oromo
72.01356747 Somali
72.74775667 Ethiopian_Wolayta
75.33199387 Maasai
83.49911616 San
85.23293612 Ethiopian_Anuak
86.08755020 Ethiopian_Ari_cultivator
86.90686509 Mbuti_Pygmy
88.72461327 Ethiopian_Gumuz
92.82330796 Biaka_Pygmy
99.55398837 Mandenka
105.18448983 Yoruban

The Winner:

Distance to: Vlach(Aromanian)_average
62.84504197 Ethiopian_Tigray
64.19459089 Ethiopian_Amhara
69.03168838 Ethiopian_Oromo
71.57578222 Somali
72.30740626 Ethiopian_Wolayta
74.66467974 Maasai
82.74845074 San
84.52683775 Ethiopian_Anuak
85.47008249 Ethiopian_Ari_cultivator
86.18478578 Mbuti_Pygmy
88.05241905 Ethiopian_Gumuz
92.13402629 Biaka_Pygmy
98.92619421 Mandenka
104.56627563 Yoruban

[Celto-Germanic]

Interesting question. I just checked, for example Europeans are closer to most Sub Saharans than East Asians. So being East Asian or part East Asian you are further away from Sub Saharans.

Is this actually true? And to any substantial degree? African physiological features have much more in common with asians than europeans.

[Synapsid]

Is this actually true? And to any substantial degree? African physiological features have much more in common with asians than europeans.

Yes, because of basal Eurasians. Neolithic farmers from the Near East had introduced basal Eurasian into the European continent and considering that Southern Euros are more Neolithic admix compared to N. Euros, they may shift closer to SSA populations compared to Northern euros while both N. euros and S. Euros shift closer to SSA populations compared to east Asians/Pre-Columbian Americans.

[Synapsid]

Is this actually true? And to any substantial degree? African physiological features have much more in common with asians than europeans.

Also SSA have similar some facial features with Asians, but not body physics IMO. Euros and Africans got far more similarities in body plan than either do with Asians

[Token]

Yes, because of basal Eurasians. Neolithic farmers from the Near East had introduced basal Eurasian into the European continent and considering that Southern Euros are more Neolithic admix compared to N. Euros, they may shift closer to SSA populations compared to Northern euros while both N. euros and S. Euros shift closer to SSA populations compared to east Asians/Pre-Columbian Americans.

It is true that Europeans are closer to SSA than East Asians are, but it is not true at all that Europeans are closer to SSA than to East Asians. PCA tools such as G25, made to give more resolution to recent genetic drift, can be very misleading in these comparisons. Formal tools such as TreeMix shows Europeans forming a clade with East Asians to the exclusion of all Africans.

[Synapsid]

It is true that Europeans are closer to SSA than East Asians are, but it is not true at all that Europeans are closer to SSA than to East Asians. PCA tools such as G25, made to give more resolution to recent genetic drift, can be very misleading in these comparisons. Formal tools such as TreeMix shows Europeans forming a clade with East Asians to the exclusion of all Africans.

Europeans forms a stem with East Asians to the exclusion of Africans, yes, but my main point was that basal Eurasians caused some shift in European affinity to SSA compared to other Crown Eurasians like E. Asians/Americans/Oceanians. I meant shift not that they are closer to SSA than Asians (which is ridiculous considering Euros are still mostly crown Eurasians)

[Token]

Europeans forms a stem with East Asians to the exclusion of Africans, yes, but my main point was that basal Eurasians caused some shift in European affinity to SSA compared to other Crown Eurasians like E. Asians/Americans/Oceanians. I meant shift not that they are closer to SSA than Asians (which is ridiculous considering Euros are still mostly crown Eurasians)

Yeah, i'd even argue that we should see Basal Eurasian as still African since it appears to have been at the very root of the tree, certainly sharing more drift with Mota than with Crowns. I also doubt this Neanderthal-diluting ancestry in Eurasians is solely from a monolithic and stationary Basal Eurasian group, there were continuous Out of Africa movements following the first thrust of the would-be Crown Eurasians. The other way around too, as can be seen in Iberomaurusians and later in West Africans.

[Synapsid]

Yeah, i'd even argue that we should see Basal Eurasian as still African since it appears to have been at the very root of the tree, certainly sharing more drift with Mota than with Crowns. I also doubt this Neanderthal-diluting ancestry in Eurasians is solely from a monolithic and stationary Basal Eurasian group, there were continuous Out of Africa movements following the first thrust of the would-be Crown Eurasians. The other way around too, as can be seen in Iberomaurusians and later in West Africans.

Basal Eurasians share more drift with mota than Crowns? Wow that's new news to me. I thought that was the case for the Ancestral North African (ANA) in Iberomaurusians but not Basals.

[Bmack]

Yes, since basal eurasian it is said to have been more closer to "SSA" than the dark skinned WHG ppl. But remember they're only closer to the population before negroid morphology was developed. Not actual SSA ancestry, more like proto-SSA.

[chrisbab]

It is true that Europeans are closer to SSA than East Asians are, but it is not true at all that Europeans are closer to SSA than to East Asians. PCA tools such as G25, made to give more resolution to recent genetic drift, can be very misleading in these comparisons. Formal tools such as TreeMix shows Europeans forming a clade with East Asians to the exclusion of all Africans.

There is something that i don't understand. For exemple, armenians don't have mongoloid admixture, the yellow bar popping in the results and eastern europeans are a good 2 to 3% mongoloid.: https://forwhattheywereweare.files.wordpress.com/2011/09/admixture-caucasus.png

How in the pca plot, armenians, kurds and iraqi jews pull more toward east asians than eastern europeans if they do not have any mongoloid admixture. It is a more ancient admixture that they can't detect?