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Trouble
11-14-2020, 05:35 PM
Why tf were people saying he looks Dutch. Very typical slav face

https://weraveyou.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/Tiesto-2020.jpg

https://d3vhc53cl8e8km.cloudfront.net/artists/95/OmXy1JSBjJS6q7pAQ9MoRyD8O5FrXuZcx6YB4UBy.jpeg

Jana
11-14-2020, 05:36 PM
He looks his ethnicity, Dutch. Can be German too

Satem
11-14-2020, 05:38 PM
Not really

2garin
11-14-2020, 05:42 PM
No. Can pass as dark-pigmented Balt or Finn.

Trouble
11-14-2020, 05:44 PM
WTF

Jana
11-14-2020, 05:45 PM
WTF

Does Elon Musk looks Slavic to you?

Trouble
11-14-2020, 05:48 PM
Does Elon Musk looks Slavic to you?

No but Tiesto I could see as a Ukrainian neo nazi

Radimir
11-14-2020, 05:49 PM
He looks more Baltid than Slav.

Jana
11-14-2020, 05:51 PM
No but Tiesto I could see as a Ukrainian neo nazi

For some reason these small-eyed pseudo Baltic/Mong common among Dutch/NW Euros etc.
You got Flemish Kevin De Bruyne, Irish Cillian Murphy etc...already mentioned Musk. And many more.

I guess it's native CM traits.

But for us Slavs they still look NW Euro. I'm not suprised non Euro can't distinguish such differences though.

Komintasavalta
11-14-2020, 05:53 PM
I used to think that Ferry Corsten had a typical Dutch look. But actually he has a more East Baltid look, with a more short square face and higher nasal index:

https://i.imgur.com/vPGY0vJ.jpg

He and Tiesto were probably the best-known Dutch trance producers in the heyday of trance in the early 00s. Or maybe Rank 1 was bigger.

Tiesto has a really elongated face, which is hardly a Slavic feature. But the OP posted a photo from an angle where his face looks shorter.

(Edit: Actually maybe they have replaced Tiesto with a double, because his face looks much more round now than when he was younger. The same thing happened to Putin, so maybe it's a Slavic trait...)

Trouble
11-14-2020, 05:53 PM
For some reason these small-eyed pseudo Baltic/Mong common among Dutch/NW Euros etc.
You got Flemish Kevin De Bruyne, Irish Cillian Murphy etc...already mentioned Musk. And many more.

I guess it's native CM traits.

But for us Slavs they still look NW Euro. I'm not suprised non Euro can't distinguish such differences though.

there are millions of people across Poland, Ukraine, Belarus, and Russia who look like him

Jana
11-14-2020, 05:54 PM
I used to think that Ferry Corsten had a typical Dutch look. But actually he has a more East Baltid look, with a more short square face and higher nasal index:

https://i.imgur.com/vPGY0vJ.jpg

This guy look Germanic, I would never confuse him for NE Euro.

Jana
11-14-2020, 05:55 PM
there are millions of people across Poland, Ukraine, Belarus, and Russia who look like him

Okay, post them. You are just not exposed to Europeans enough....he doesn't look Slavic but what he is. Passing is other thing.

ixulescu
11-14-2020, 05:55 PM
he looks Germanic

Ylla
11-14-2020, 05:57 PM
He looks extremely Germanic

Komintasavalta
11-14-2020, 06:03 PM
This guy look Germanic, I would never confuse him for NE Euro.

I agree that he looks more NWE than NEE, but he still has some traits that are associated more with East Baltids than Dalo-Faelids, like a short and wide nose, short face, and short stature. He could easily pass in Finland or Estonia.

Oh and I forgot about Armin van Buuren (right in this pic). He also has a longer face than Ferry Corsten. Out of these three, Ferry Corsten (left) has the lowest UEE in this pic and Armin van Buuren has the highest UEE.

https://i.imgur.com/y5G8mxN.jpg

Immanenz
11-14-2020, 06:07 PM
For some reason these small-eyed pseudo Baltic/Mong common among Dutch/NW Euros etc.
You got Flemish Kevin De Bruyne, Irish Cillian Murphy etc...already mentioned Musk. And many more.

I guess it's native CM traits.

But for us Slavs they still look NW Euro. I'm not suprised non Euro can't distinguish such differences though.

Yes- some reduced Faelid / Borreby.

Chociprasa is posting constantly some actresses from Netherlands/ or American with NW Euro ancestry and claims they look Russian/ Ladogan/ Baltid...

imo Tiesto does not look Slavic, but could pass in West Slavic/ Baltic area

Jana
11-14-2020, 06:07 PM
I agree that he looks more NWE than NEE, but he still has some traits that are associated more with East Baltids than Dalo-Faelids, like a short and wide nose and a short face. He could easily pass in Finland or Estonia.

Oh and I forgot about Armin van Buuren (right on this pic). He also has a much longer face than Ferry Corsten. Out of these three, Ferry Corsten (left) has the lowest orbits and lowest UEE, and Armin van Buuren (right) probably has the highest orbits and highest UEE (or at least in this pic he looks like he has the longest distance between the eyebrows and the eyes, which usually translates to higher orbits).

https://i.imgur.com/y5G8mxN.jpg

Don't Faelids have short and often snub nose? I always tought my nose was Baltic, but it could be just from Faelid input though.
I don't think I have Baltid. Btw short and wide nose is also in Brunn and Borreby, it's general CM trait.

My father has Borreby/Brunn like admix and very short and wide negro like nose. His isn't upturned like mine though (or used to be, since I fractured mine)

Ülev
11-14-2020, 06:09 PM
yes, typical Vassiliy, looks almost like Putin and Medvedev with that new one.... Mishustin

Dorian
11-14-2020, 06:11 PM
Very far from it

Jana
11-14-2020, 06:18 PM
Flemish and Ukrainian

https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/kevin-de-bruyne-and-oleksandr-zinchenko-of-manchester-city-lifts-the-picture-id1144734176
https://editorial01.shutterstock.com/wm-preview-1500/10240698ag/d5fe4224/manchester-city-v-watford-fa-cup-final-football-match-wembley-stadium-london-uk-shutterstock-editorial-10240698ag.jpg
https://images.ladbible.com/thumbnail?type=jpeg&url=http://beta.ems.ladbiblegroup.com/s3/content/092d01305a9130da3be4028a00041428.png&quality=70&width=808
https://scontent.fzag3-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/51763935_1856264317810904_5603271191138664448_o.jp g?_nc_cat=106&ccb=2&_nc_sid=110474&_nc_ohc=0sOTC6z6vcAAX8dkwlY&_nc_ht=scontent.fzag3-1.fna&oh=a9846851f670019d5f36f98a8dc009b7&oe=5FD473EF
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/4e/6d/af/4e6daf057893558087a8208f2b9b526a.jpg

Komintasavalta
11-14-2020, 06:23 PM
Don't Faelids have short and often snub nose? I always tought my nose was Baltic, but it could be just from Faelid input though.
I don't think I have Baltid. Btw short and wide nose is also in Brunn and Borreby, it's general CM trait.

Yeah but maybe the nose shape is more moderate in Dalo-Faelids than East Baltids. SNPA even says that Dalo-Faelids have thin noses, and that their noses are "relatively short" (not short), and only with a slight tendency towards concavity (https://www.theapricity.com/snpa/rg-dalofalid.htm): "The nose is relatively short, yet thin (meso- to leptorrhine), and often protrusive. The profile is mostly straight, with a slight tendency towards concavity (rather than convexity)." But then SNPA says that East Baltids have a "concave, and typically snub-tipped nose".

However HPT says that Dalofaelids have a "leptorrhine" nose (as opposed to "meso- to leptorrhine" in SNPA) (http://humanphenotypes.net/Dalofaelid.html).

Jana
11-14-2020, 06:26 PM
Yeah but maybe the nose shape is more moderate in Dalo-Faelids than East Baltids. SNPA even says that Dalo-Faelids have thin noses, and that their noses are "relatively short" (not short), and only with a slight tendency towards concavity (https://www.theapricity.com/snpa/rg-dalofalid.htm): "The nose is relatively short, yet thin (meso- to leptorrhine), and often protrusive. The profile is mostly straight, with a slight tendency towards concavity (rather than convexity)." But then SNPA says that East Baltids have a "concave, and typically snub-tipped nose".

However HPT says that Dalofaelids have a "leptorrhine" nose (as opposed to "meso- to leptorrhine" in SNPA) (http://humanphenotypes.net/Dalofaelid.html).

Makes sense. My nose was concave, but thin, not wide. It fits Faelid description you gave.

Viridian1
11-14-2020, 06:34 PM
I used to think that Ferry Corsten had a typical Dutch look. But actually he has a more East Baltid look, with a more short square face and higher nasal index:

https://i.imgur.com/vPGY0vJ.jpg

He and Tiesto were probably the best-known Dutch trance producers in the heyday of trance in the early 00s. Or maybe Rank 1 was bigger.

Tiesto has a really elongated face, which is hardly a Slavic feature. But the OP posted a photo from an angle where his face looks shorter.

(Edit: Actually maybe they have replaced Tiesto with a double, because his face looks much more round now than when he was younger. The same thing happened to Putin, so maybe it's a Slavic trait...)

Facial features of Ferry or Armin is pretty common in the NL

BTHUN
11-14-2020, 06:45 PM
nothing to do with typical slav

Komintasavalta
11-14-2020, 07:02 PM
Tiesto and Armin van Buuren became much better-known as DJs than Ferry Corsten. But I think Ferry Corsten was a better producer, and everyone imitated his production style around 1998-2002. Maybe it's because he has the lowest UEE and lowest facial index.

For example Tiesto's version of this song is a lot worse than Corsten's:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5jIjBdmm9w

Also the coolest song by Gouryella (which was a collaboration between Tiesto and Corsten) was Ligaya, which was made by Corsten alone without Tiesto. Some of the other songs that featured Tiesto had a more tech trance style sound which Tiesto produced at the time.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RwD7mT3yP7c

Immanenz
11-14-2020, 07:24 PM
Yeah but maybe the nose shape is more moderate in Dalo-Faelids than East Baltids. SNPA even says that Dalo-Faelids have thin noses, and that their noses are "relatively short" (not short), and only with a slight tendency towards concavity (https://www.theapricity.com/snpa/rg-dalofalid.htm): "The nose is relatively short, yet thin (meso- to leptorrhine), and often protrusive. The profile is mostly straight, with a slight tendency towards concavity (rather than convexity)." But then SNPA says that East Baltids have a "concave, and typically snub-tipped nose".

However HPT says that Dalofaelids have a "leptorrhine" nose (as opposed to "meso- to leptorrhine" in SNPA) .

i think there is stronger overlapp between NW and NE than many believe (a lot people would struggle to seperate random Danes and Estonians for example) . You have to consider that Dutch have a lot Borreby/Alpine/Subnordid (more short concave nose possible, more softer features etc.) too.

cass
11-14-2020, 07:26 PM
there are millions of people across Poland, Ukraine, Belarus, and Russia who look like him

He would be taken as Russian or Ukrainian in Poland.