Who is genetically closest to arabs? (Greeks, Turks or Iranians)

[Kyp]

i'd say a tie

[namelessuser]

Iranians
Turks
Greeks

[Kyp]

Iranians
Turks
Greeks

Distance to: Saudi
0.15469818 Greek_Kos
0.15498006 Greek_Central_Anatolia
0.15766931 Greek_Crete
0.16240798 Turkish_Kayseri
0.16359181 Turkish_Trabzon
0.16462769 Iranian_Lor
0.16567453 Turkish_East
0.16668052 Greek_Trabzon
0.16864371 Turkish_Central
0.17381900 Iranian_Fars
0.17390571 Greek_Izmir
0.17410818 Iranian_Zoroastrian
0.17704732 Turkish_Istanbul
0.18076360 Greek_Peloponnese
0.18170549 Turkish_Aydin
0.18354728 Turkish_North
0.18356162 Turkish_Southwest
0.18453315 Turkish_South
0.18847896 Turkish_Balikesir
0.18928100 Turkish_Northwest
0.18933524 Iranian_Mazandarani
0.19215889 Greek_Thessaly
0.19319697 Turkish_Rumeli(Balkan)
0.19353294 Greek_Central_Macedonia
0.20260356 Turkish_Deliorman(Balkan)


Dodecadk12b:

istance to: Saudi
39.11714714 Greek_Cypriot
39.65019672 Turk_Cyprus
41.15876699 Turk_Southeast
42.89902796 Greek_Kos
42.98519047 Iranian_Fars
43.19576252 Turk_South
43.20644744 Turk_Central_West
43.39318149 Turk_Central_East
44.03031342 Greek_Crete
44.10919859 Greek_Cappadocia
44.52504015 Turk_Southwest
44.60050000 Turk_West_BlackSea
44.61915844 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
44.68283899 Turk_East
45.41401105 Turk_Northwest
46.23219225 Iranian
46.28352947 Greek_Izmir
47.46179938 Iran_Khorasan
47.87258401 Greek_Pontus
48.39264200 Greek_Foca
48.77085400 Turk_East_Black_Sea
48.87477468 Iran_Mazandaran
49.72152653 Greek_Athens
50.03496977 Greek_Central
50.30279416 Greek_Peloponnese
51.91236847 Turk_Trakya
52.53341032 Greek_Thrace
52.69790983 Greek_Thessaloniki
52.97482893 Greek_Thessaly
53.06255271 Turk_Makedonya
54.21725279 Turk_Deliorman
56.01332788 Greek_Macedonia

[Hektor12]

Distance to: Saudi

Looking like all equally distant. I don't see a problem.

[Kyp]

My general opinion:

1. Anatolian Greeks
2. Eastern Turks
3. Southwestern Iranians
4. Anatolian Turks
5. East and central Iranians
6. Northwestern Turks/Balkan Turks
7. Mainland Greeks


but in general equidistant like I said

[Kyp]

bump

[Pater Patota]

Lack of East-Eurasian and high Caucasus admix make Turks close to Arabs but Turks already have high amount of these admixes, so they’re not the closest to Arabs(especially Levantines).

[Altaylı]

Greeks
Persians
Turks

[Edgü]

It's based on individuals you cant decide who is closer to arabs just by looking at their averages

[Kyp]

It's based on individuals you cant decide who is closer to arabs just by looking at their averages

agree mate, but there has been the notion on TA that Iranians are somehow close to arabs (often coming from Greek and Turkish members) which I hopefully have put into context more with this thread.

[Edgü]

agree mate, but there has been the notion on TA that Iranians are somehow close to arabs which I hopefully have put into context more with this thread.

The people who thinks Iranians are closer to Arabs are ignorant people and as i said its based on individuals not the averages

[Tenma de Pegasus]

Very interesting thread, I thought greeks would me more distant, but their southern admixture makes them closer to arabs, turks are a pseudo-greek muslin population that mixed with arabs and kazak mongoloid people. About Iranians, I already knew they were far from arabs and some other type of population.

[brennus dux gallorum]

Turks
Iranians
Greeks

My general opinion:

1. Anatolian Greeks
2. Eastern Turks
3. Southwestern Iranians
4. Anatolian Turks
5. East and central Iranians
6. Northwestern Turks/Balkan Turks
7. Mainland Greeks


but in general equidistant like I said

"In general equidistant" when 8 out of 10 Greeks come from a group which doesnt even overlap with the most European shifted Turks (let alone saudis)?

[brennus dux gallorum]

Very interesting thread, I thought greeks would me more distant, but their southern admixture makes them closer to arabs, turks are a pseudo-greek muslin population that mixed with arabs and kazak mongoloid people. About Iranians, I already knew they were far from arabs and some other type of population.

You correctly thought

The Greek results that you see come from Greek communities of asia. Mainland Greeks who make up the biggest part of the country are the most distant from arabs (see Greece peloponnese, thessaly etc), much more distant from arabs than both Turks and iranians are

The bulk of turkish anatolians and iranians are closer to arabs than any mainland Greek population is

[Adamm]

Iranian and Greeks are closest and after that the Turks.

https://i.imgur.com/EQVBOBA.png

[Kyp]

Iranian and Greeks are closest and after that the Turks.

https://i.imgur.com/EQVBOBA.png

Nah this is just by individual samples. As you can see Fars is just sporadicaly showing up because Fars and Lor has small amount of recent arab mixing.

You cannot base your answer on one or two individuals. Also don't forget G25 doesn't have a reference for East Iran.

[brennus dux gallorum]

Iranian and Greeks are closest and after that the Turks.



Because you cherry picked Greek populations from anatolia, and ignored the Greek mainland majority samples which is MUCH more distant from arabs than Turks or iranians

[brennus dux gallorum]

Nah this is just by individual samples. As you can see Fars is just sporadicaly showing up because Fars and Lor has small amount of recent arab mixing.

You cannot base your answer on one or two individuals.

Plus, not even one Greek population from mainland Greece

What people are unable to understand is that talking about how Greeks are close to people of the middle east, using "central anatolian Greek" examples (hardly 60.000 souls in Greece) is like saying how close Germans are to eastern Europeans, using volga German samples

[brennus dux gallorum]

Nah this is just by individual samples. As you can see Fars is just sporadicaly showing up because Fars and Lor has small amount of recent arab mixing.

You cannot base your answer on one or two individuals.

Plus, not even one Greek population from mainland Greece

What people are unable to understand is that talking about how Greeks are close to people of the middle east, using "central anatolian Greek" examples (hardly 60.000 souls in Greece) is like saying how close Germans are to eastern Europeans, using volga German samples

[Adamm]

Because you cherry picked Greek populations from anatolia, and ignored the Greek mainland majority samples which is MUCH more distant from arabs than Turks or iranians

I didn't cherrypicked anything, I used all greek samples and all Iranian/Turks samples available on the G25 sheet. Greek Islanders are closer to Arabs than Turks... Mainland Greeks don't show up because they obviously are way more distant.

[Adamm]

Nah this is just by individual samples. As you can see Fars is just sporadicaly showing up because Fars and Lor has small amount of recent arab mixing.

You cannot base your answer on one or two individuals. Also don't forget G25 doesn't have a reference for East Iran.

Again, I used all samples on the G25 modern datasheet (i only removed the Jewish samples) because they're obviously outliers).

[Kyp]

Again, I used all samples on the G25 modern datasheet (i only removed the Jewish samples) because they're obviously outliers).

Why ignore the averages? Makes no sense. You are basing your opinion on one result rather than all of them.

Also ignoring all of East Iran.

[brennus dux gallorum]

I didn't cherrypicked anything, I used all greek samples and all Iranian/Turks samples available on the G25 sheet. Greek Islanders are closer to Arabs than Turks... Mainland Greeks don't show up because they obviously are way more distant.

And more specifically the most exotic of the island samples

Mainland and non-exotic islands (north aegean, ionian etc) represent the 80% of Greek population.

[Adamm]

Why ignore the averages?

I can also run the averages if you want:

https://i.imgur.com/Btek8m2.png

[Adamm]

And more specifically the most exotic of the island samples

Mainland and non-exotic islands (north aegean, ionian etc) represent the 80% of Greek population.

So Aegean Greeks or Greek Islanders are not Greeks in your eyes?

[Bender1999]

It depends on. We shouldn’t forget that especially northern Levant is influenced by all these three groups. Arabs are very heterogeneous like Turks and Iranians. A Balkan Turk has less common with SW-Asians than a Turk from Kilis. The same counts for Iranians. Turk =/=Arab=/= Iranian, but you it is not worth it to trying to explain this, no one will understand.

[Kyp]

I can also run the averages if you want:

https://i.imgur.com/Btek8m2.png

Yup this gives a more accurate picture.

[brennus dux gallorum]

So Aegean Greeks or Greek Islanders are not Greeks in your eyes?

What i said is the obvious: when you compare GREEKS or any other population in the world you compare them according to what their majority is like, not what a tiny minority is

If you translate this as "anatolian Greeks and Greek islanders are not Greeks to me" then whatever

And people who live in Greece know that"central anatolian" samples come from a population of hardly 60.000 souls (cappadokian Greeks) in a country of 10 million. Not even close to thessalians who (if we also count those who live out of thessaly) are nearly 1 million, representing a 10% of Greece alone. And as you can see they are extremely more distant from arabs than any anatolian turk or iranian

[gixajo]

Me and my parents are closer to Greeks.


Distance to: gixajo_scaled
0.06683258 Greek_Thessaly
0.07079777 Greek_Central_Macedonia
0.08279618 Greek_Peloponnese
0.08662752 Greek_Izmir
0.10470087 Greek_Crete
0.11203206 Greek_Kos
0.13639408 Greek_Central_Anatolia
0.16182838 Greek_Trabzon
0.17255404 Iranian_Zoroastrian
0.17701148 Iranian_Fars
0.17809031 Iranian_Lor
0.18136535 Iranian_Seyyed
0.19700996 Iranian_Mazandarani
0.20371589 Yemenite_Amran
0.21173217 Iranian_Bandari
0.21361853 Yemenite_Dhamar
0.21518117 Yemenite_Al_Bayda
0.21551372 Yemenite_Jew
0.21727948 Yemenite_Ma'rib
0.21862150 Yemenite_Al_Jawf
0.22418164 Saudi
0.22818355 Yemenite_Mahra


Distance to: gixajo_dad_scaled
0.05957603 Greek_Thessaly
0.06513925 Greek_Central_Macedonia
0.07396302 Greek_Peloponnese
0.07736547 Greek_Izmir
0.09403723 Greek_Crete
0.10110093 Greek_Kos
0.12694088 Greek_Central_Anatolia
0.15414060 Greek_Trabzon
0.16738359 Iranian_Zoroastrian
0.17155392 Iranian_Lor
0.17187007 Iranian_Fars
0.17602003 Iranian_Seyyed
0.19217105 Iranian_Mazandarani
0.19234099 Yemenite_Amran
0.20178484 Yemenite_Dhamar
0.20392696 Yemenite_Al_Bayda
0.20466789 Yemenite_Jew
0.20588975 Yemenite_Ma'rib
0.20699850 Iranian_Bandari
0.20775846 Yemenite_Al_Jawf
0.21376622 Saudi
0.21811967 Yemenite_Mahra

Distance to: gixajo_mom_scaled
0.07572510 Greek_Thessaly
0.07999788 Greek_Central_Macedonia
0.09428900 Greek_Peloponnese
0.09723726 Greek_Izmir
0.11393209 Greek_Crete
0.12272756 Greek_Kos
0.14591133 Greek_Central_Anatolia
0.17022320 Greek_Trabzon
0.17860524 Iranian_Zoroastrian
0.18299581 Iranian_Fars
0.18451220 Iranian_Lor
0.18733142 Iranian_Seyyed
0.20252802 Iranian_Mazandarani
0.21177860 Yemenite_Amran
0.21638198 Iranian_Bandari
0.22117053 Yemenite_Dhamar
0.22312210 Yemenite_Al_Bayda
0.22317005 Yemenite_Jew
0.22503509 Yemenite_Ma'rib
0.22633212 Yemenite_Al_Jawf
0.23209241 Saudi
0.23643064 Yemenite_Mahra


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[gixajo]

Double.

[brennus dux gallorum]

Me and my parents are closer to Greeks.


Distance to: gixajo_scaled
0.06683258 Greek_Thessaly
0.07079777 Greek_Central_Macedonia
0.08279618 Greek_Peloponnese
0.08662752 Greek_Izmir
0.10470087 Greek_Crete
0.11203206 Greek_Kos
0.13639408 Greek_Central_Anatolia
0.16182838 Greek_Trabzon
0.17255404 Iranian_Zoroastrian
0.17701148 Iranian_Fars
0.17809031 Iranian_Lor
0.18136535 Iranian_Seyyed
0.19700996 Iranian_Mazandarani
0.20371589 Yemenite_Amran
0.21173217 Iranian_Bandari
0.21361853 Yemenite_Dhamar
0.21518117 Yemenite_Al_Bayda
0.21551372 Yemenite_Jew
0.21727948 Yemenite_Ma'rib
0.21862150 Yemenite_Al_Jawf
0.22418164 Saudi
0.22818355 Yemenite_Mahra


Distance to: gixajo_dad_scaled
0.05957603 Greek_Thessaly
0.06513925 Greek_Central_Macedonia
0.07396302 Greek_Peloponnese
0.07736547 Greek_Izmir
0.09403723 Greek_Crete
0.10110093 Greek_Kos
0.12694088 Greek_Central_Anatolia
0.15414060 Greek_Trabzon
0.16738359 Iranian_Zoroastrian
0.17155392 Iranian_Lor
0.17187007 Iranian_Fars
0.17602003 Iranian_Seyyed
0.19217105 Iranian_Mazandarani
0.19234099 Yemenite_Amran
0.20178484 Yemenite_Dhamar
0.20392696 Yemenite_Al_Bayda
0.20466789 Yemenite_Jew
0.20588975 Yemenite_Ma'rib
0.20699850 Iranian_Bandari
0.20775846 Yemenite_Al_Jawf
0.21376622 Saudi
0.21811967 Yemenite_Mahra

Distance to: gixajo_mom_scaled
0.07572510 Greek_Thessaly
0.07999788 Greek_Central_Macedonia
0.09428900 Greek_Peloponnese
0.09723726 Greek_Izmir
0.11393209 Greek_Crete
0.12272756 Greek_Kos
0.14591133 Greek_Central_Anatolia
0.17022320 Greek_Trabzon
0.17860524 Iranian_Zoroastrian
0.18299581 Iranian_Fars
0.18451220 Iranian_Lor
0.18733142 Iranian_Seyyed
0.20252802 Iranian_Mazandarani
0.21177860 Yemenite_Amran
0.21638198 Iranian_Bandari
0.22117053 Yemenite_Dhamar
0.22312210 Yemenite_Al_Bayda
0.22317005 Yemenite_Jew
0.22503509 Yemenite_Ma'rib
0.22633212 Yemenite_Al_Jawf
0.23209241 Saudi
0.23643064 Yemenite_Mahra


Saudi,0.0494498,0.1411588,-0.0646136,-0.1161014,-0.0115919,-0.0481242,-0.0133696,-0.008179,0.0516537,-0.0058923,0.016293,-0.0318551,0.063346,0.0021408,0.0031818,0.0271809,-0.0220493,0.0042931,-0.0003213,0.0302646,0.0130601,0.0168853,-0.0072031,0.0082741,-0.0097528
Yemenite_Al_Bayda,0.0386997,0.1386198,-0.0626647,-0.1073983,-0.0101557,-0.0484803,-0.0131608,-0.0101533,0.0541308,-0.0059835,0.0109612,-0.0287995,0.0509163,0.004106,0.0063788,0.0241973,-0.018471,0.0071578,0.0008378,0.0179253,0.0097745,0 .0161778,-0.0074358,0.0011248,-0.003752
Yemenite_Al_Jawf,0.0492282,0.1414123,-0.0630735,-0.1155542,-0.0106942,-0.0473418,-0.0094002,-0.0071535,0.0581358,-0.0025965,0.0128692,-0.0314348,0.0573088,0.003888,0.0038,0.0195902,-0.0204703,0.0039908,0.0031738,0.0221358,0.0107002, 0.0147148,-0.0130642,0.0085552,-0.008562
Yemenite_Amran,0.0458544,0.135428,-0.0615246,-0.1014453,-0.0148599,-0.0421523,-0.0087289,-0.0077631,0.0450098,-0.0042566,0.0117499,-0.0229617,0.0465096,0.0052591,0.003994,0.0172555,-0.0141374,0.0042531,0.0018316,0.0157038,0.0069254, 0.0095212,-0.0063297,0.0041742,-0.0047812
Yemenite_Dhamar,0.035538,0.1411586,-0.0585374,-0.1105743,-0.0095742,-0.0472254,-0.0137351,-0.0080253,0.0492449,-0.0078563,0.0137851,-0.0263932,0.0492728,0.0059482,0.0034836,0.0152478,-0.016211,0.0045749,0.0006564,0.0170358,0.010107,0. 0114172,-0.0069568,0.0042307,-0.0030601
Yemenite_Jew,0.051383,0.1447854,-0.0632486,-0.114066,-0.0118263,-0.0466941,-0.0134963,-0.0088677,0.0489689,-0.006274,0.0113209,-0.0266121,0.0539851,0.0032439,0.0035287,0.0171607,-0.0245497,0.003475,0.0064106,0.0249583,0.012888,0. 0159867,-0.0070954,0.0046479,-0.0068941
Yemenite_Ma'rib,0.0448462,0.143799,-0.0612444,-0.1170562,-0.0092324,-0.0479134,-0.0110452,-0.0045692,0.053626,-0.007581,0.0147122,-0.0271256,0.0514366,0.0055874,0.0004886,0.0201534,-0.021383,0.00451,0.0025894,0.0183086,0.0114298,0.0 13132,-0.0067292,0.004651,-0.0054844
Yemenite_Mahra,0.0542556,0.1360809,-0.0682589,-0.1211978,-0.0037272,-0.056305,-0.0130301,-0.0088204,0.0628798,-0.002045,0.0167981,-0.0325711,0.0657411,0.0058413,0.0080528,0.0270778,-0.0210643,0.0028717,-0.0019133,0.0248312,0.0137259,0.0160887,-0.0087369,0.0027848,-0.0052289
Iranian_Bandari,0.0563425,0.076165,-0.0876805,0.0053833,-0.058062,0.014456,0.0008617,-0.0017307,-0.0229067,-0.0190437,0.0020568,-0.0005495,0.0047325,-0.003303,0.0110612,0.0195127,-0.0060847,0.0058908,0.004504,-0.0171958,0.0007485,-0.0107577,0.0024855,-0.009439,0.0058875
Iranian_Fars,0.0885141,0.0956389,-0.0638664,-0.024092,-0.0460899,0.0007546,0.0044097,-0.0052124,-0.0285852,-0.0148255,0.0007832,-0.0010579,0.0047396,-0.00255,0.0045506,0.0118005,-0.0054146,0.0015202,0.0019668,-0.008938,-0.0004036,-0.0033604,0.0012905,-0.0044371,0.0040645
Iranian_Lor,0.0878713,0.1066306,-0.0673914,-0.035207,-0.04647,-0.0066655,0.0049585,-0.0040846,-0.0278356,-0.0126473,0.00354,-0.0009141,0.0036273,-0.0007707,0.0054153,0.0096127,-0.0039114,0.0041173,0.0059958,-0.0108927,-0.0014599,-0.005008,-0.0020705,-0.0059406,0.005748
Iranian_Mazandarani,0.0899202,0.1019592,-0.078969,-0.0211888,-0.0587494,0.0059124,0.0076142,-0.0050536,-0.0413752,-0.0212669,-0.001364,-0.0018884,-7.42e-05,0.0011561,0.0055918,0.0107134,-0.0063759,0.0032811,0.0041982,-0.0140192,-0.0009108,-0.0076911,-0.001553,-0.0053742,0.0050414
Iranian_Seyyed,0.0813834,0.0918039,-0.0670521,-0.0250971,-0.0456393,-0.001255,0.0037131,-0.0039691,-0.0256882,-0.0161279,0.0009419,-0.0049007,0.007106,-0.0033718,0.005836,0.0132854,-0.0052543,0.0026733,0.0015334,-0.0073411,0.0014723,-0.0024483,0.0010722,-0.0061093,0.0049216
Iranian_Zoroastrian,0.0916275,0.1077846,-0.0632191,-0.0225219,-0.045365,0.0040439,0.0018586,-0.005318,-0.028373,-0.0168403,-0.0002509,0.000361,0.0043652,-0.0049418,0.0071253,0.0135542,-0.0035262,0.002885,0.0017313,-0.0087712,-0.0032216,-0.0037657,0.0006777,-0.003489,0.0053669
Greek_Central_Anatolia,0.110029,0.1442053,-0.037209,-0.0592167,-0.0133357,-0.0200803,0.0031333,-0.0029997,-0.0196343,0.0115417,0.0053587,0.0049457,-0.006888,0.0050007,-0.0110387,0.001061,0.0096483,0.0024913,0.0044833,-0.0026263,0.002454,0.0046577,-0.0002877,-0.0003617,-0.0007187
Greek_Central_Macedonia,0.1194473,0.142473,0.01577 25,-0.016492,0.0213432,-0.0035601,0.0020321,1e-07,0.0008782,0.0120812,0.0009934,0.0018424,-0.0014429,0.0070025,-0.016957,-0.0005459,0.0098095,8.94e-05,0.0050649,-0.0035531,-0.0078319,0.0015057,0.0032408,0.0005529,-0.0007256
Greek_Crete,0.1070972,0.1463285,-0.0168335,-0.0466295,0.0057632,-0.0153645,0.0022005,-0.0013009,-0.0029936,0.0129388,0.0013876,0.0027794,-0.0009596,0.0043915,-0.0122765,-0.0038692,0.001529,0.0008983,0.0040565,-0.0055482,-0.0050935,0.0014165,-0.0007506,-0.0012051,-0.0019595
Greek_Izmir,0.1146199,0.1443068,-0.0024135,-0.0345287,0.0149874,-0.0126059,0.0025145,-0.0015,-0.0022907,0.0150346,0.0018999,0.0031323,-0.003434,0.0018576,-0.0129749,0.0001989,0.0107827,-0.0001141,0.0059203,-0.0030515,-0.0060393,0.0019289,0.0002095,0.0023496,-0.0030056
Greek_Kos,0.1076261,0.1464618,-0.0220407,-0.0538692,0.0041031,-0.018252,0.0008617,-0.0036921,-0.0059994,0.0167861,0.0026524,0.0031472,-0.0039148,0.0009634,-0.0106012,0.0029906,0.0100107,0.0009432,0.0037151,-0.0036407,-0.0038128,0.0016762,-0.0001778,-0.0014059,-0.0021157
Greek_Peloponnese,0.118376,0.1438667,0.0037713,-0.0325153,0.0159003,-0.010412,0.001645,-0.000923,-0.000409,0.018102,0.000108,0.0039467,-0.0058967,0.0037157,-0.016377,0.0023863,0.0134297,0.0003377,0.009176,-0.0007083,-0.0092753,0.003998,0.0013967,-0.0001203,-0.0033927
Greek_Thessaly,0.119135,0.1452207,0.013702,-0.020026,0.0188753,-0.0051133,0.0005483,0.000769,0,0.01877,0.0026523,0 .0040963,-0.0072843,0.0056883,-0.0090933,-0.0041987,0.0021297,-0.000549,0.0041483,-0.005336,-0.0069877,0.0012777,0.0035743,0.0014057,-0.003353
Greek_Trabzon,0.1088149,0.1395337,-0.0541922,-0.0612731,-0.0251739,-0.0177374,0.0072852,-0.0047076,-0.03798,-0.003517,0.0029556,0.0060996,-0.0143902,0.0076518,-0.0083876,-0.0124236,0.0065843,-0.0011655,-0.0010433,0.0023638,0.0040679,0.0013974,-0.0024403,-0.0025666,-0.0013412


Iberians score closer to thessaly and macedonia due to higher whg in these regions than the rest of Greece. But facially they look closer to peloponnese (and other southern regions) and most of the islands than to thessaly or macedonia

[Ascended]

i'd say a tie

what??? Iranians are basically Arab mutts

[Kyp]

what??? Iranians are basically Arab mutts

This is exactly why I created this thread. If Iranians are arab mutts so are greeks and turks. But I guess you are joking.

[Adamm]

What i said is the obvious: when you compare GREEKS or any other population in the world you compare them according to what their majority is like, not what a tiny minority is

If you translate this as "anatolian Greeks and Greek islanders are not Greeks to me" then whatever

And people who live in Greece know that"central anatolian" samples come from a population of hardly 60.000 souls (cappadokian Greeks) in a country of 10 million. Not even close to thessalians who (if we also count those who live out of thessaly) are nearly 1 million, representing a 10% of Greece alone. And as you can see they are extremely more distant from arabs than any anatolian turk or iranian

Well if you only include mainland Greeks as 'Greeks' then indeed they're further away from Arabs than the Iranians and Turks. Iranians are the closest population to the Arabs followed by Turks and then the Greeks.
However if we add Aeagan Greeks or Greek Islanders into this, then they and the Iranians are closer to the Arabs than the Turks. Easy as that. Nobody is denying or cherrypicking in this subject, its obvious mainland Greeks are further removed from Arabs and I never denied that.

[Tauromachos]

Jews

[mitalit]

Iberians score closer to thessaly and macedonia due to higher whg in these regions than the rest of Greece. But facially they look closer to peloponnese (and other southern regions) and most of the islands than to thessaly or macedonia

Target: Greek_Thessaly
Distance: 1.9823% / 0.01982271
53.8 EEF
34.0 STEPPE
4.0 LEVANT
2.8 IRAN
2.2 CENTRAL-ASIA
2.2 CHG
1.0 WHG

[Kyp]

Well if you only include mainland Greeks as 'Greeks' than indeed they're further away from Arabs than the Iranians and Turks. Iranians are the closest population to the Arabs followed by Turks and then the Greeks.
However if we add Aeagan Greeks or Greek Islanders into this, than they and the Iranians are closer to the Arabs than the Turks. Easy as that. Nobody is denying or cherrypicking in this subject, its obvious mainland Greeks are further removed from Arabs and I never denied that.

The only arabs Iranians are closest to are Iraqis. Peninsular is equidistant to Turks. And Turks are closest to Levantine arabs. Anatolian Greeks are closest to arabs in general.

Let's also not act like mainland greeks are miles further away. It's still close that's why I created the thread.

[brennus dux gallorum]

Target: Greek_Thessaly
Distance: 1.9823% / 0.01982271
53.8 EEF
34.0 STEPPE
4.0 LEVANT
2.8 IRAN
2.2 CENTRAL-ASIA
2.2 CHG
1.0 WHG


Your point?

[Faklon]

Turks are the true camel Arab, some of them are integrated Arabs like some of them are integrated Bosniaks, Mongols...

The other populations just share Neolithic ancestry.

[Thracian]

The only arabs Iranians are closest to are Iraqis. Peninsular is equidistant to Turks. And Turks are closest to Levantine arabs.

I don't think so.


Distance to: Lebanese_Druze
0.04348685 Greek_Central_Anatolia
0.05082785 Greek_Kos
0.05626630 Greek_Crete
0.05940869 Greek_Trabzon
0.07825707 Greek_Izmir
0.08713783 Greek_Peloponnese
0.10044113 Greek_Thessaly
0.10420064 Greek_Central_Macedonia
0.10806158 Turkish_Rumeli
0.11717228 Turkish_Deliorman

Distance to: Lebanese_Muslim
0.05082926 Greek_Central_Anatolia
0.05521393 Greek_Kos
0.05832511 Greek_Crete
0.06461933 Greek_Trabzon
0.07950694 Greek_Izmir
0.08836482 Greek_Peloponnese
0.10078258 Greek_Thessaly
0.10362630 Greek_Central_Macedonia
0.10382471 Turkish_Rumeli
0.11276819 Turkish_Deliorman

Distance to: Lebanese_Christian
0.04902868 Greek_Central_Anatolia
0.05339490 Greek_Kos
0.05983028 Greek_Crete
0.06795415 Greek_Trabzon
0.08138817 Greek_Izmir
0.08988029 Greek_Peloponnese
0.10425774 Greek_Thessaly
0.10800733 Greek_Central_Macedonia
0.11572806 Turkish_Rumeli
0.12481902 Turkish_Deliorman


Distance to: Druze
0.04121347 Greek_Central_Anatolia
0.04762857 Greek_Kos
0.05390587 Greek_Crete
0.05912871 Greek_Trabzon
0.07568889 Greek_Izmir
0.08431505 Greek_Peloponnese
0.09850058 Greek_Thessaly
0.10203570 Greek_Central_Macedonia
0.10684115 Turkish_Rumeli
0.11610861 Turkish_Deliorman

Distance to: Samaritan
0.07277473 Greek_Central_Anatolia
0.07604427 Greek_Kos
0.07983556 Greek_Crete
0.08681024 Greek_Trabzon
0.10198174 Greek_Izmir
0.11012110 Greek_Peloponnese
0.12270890 Greek_Thessaly
0.12657728 Greek_Central_Macedonia
0.13624181 Turkish_Rumeli
0.14334379 Turkish_Deliorman

[Kyp]

I don't think so.


Distance to: Lebanese_Druze
0.04348685 Greek_Central_Anatolia
0.05082785 Greek_Kos
0.05626630 Greek_Crete
0.05940869 Greek_Trabzon
0.07825707 Greek_Izmir
0.08713783 Greek_Peloponnese
0.10044113 Greek_Thessaly
0.10420064 Greek_Central_Macedonia
0.10806158 Turkish_Rumeli
0.11717228 Turkish_Deliorman

Distance to: Lebanese_Muslim
0.05082926 Greek_Central_Anatolia
0.05521393 Greek_Kos
0.05832511 Greek_Crete
0.06461933 Greek_Trabzon
0.07950694 Greek_Izmir
0.08836482 Greek_Peloponnese
0.10078258 Greek_Thessaly
0.10362630 Greek_Central_Macedonia
0.10382471 Turkish_Rumeli
0.11276819 Turkish_Deliorman

Distance to: Lebanese_Christian
0.04902868 Greek_Central_Anatolia
0.05339490 Greek_Kos
0.05983028 Greek_Crete
0.06795415 Greek_Trabzon
0.08138817 Greek_Izmir
0.08988029 Greek_Peloponnese
0.10425774 Greek_Thessaly
0.10800733 Greek_Central_Macedonia
0.11572806 Turkish_Rumeli
0.12481902 Turkish_Deliorman


Distance to: Druze
0.04121347 Greek_Central_Anatolia
0.04762857 Greek_Kos
0.05390587 Greek_Crete
0.05912871 Greek_Trabzon
0.07568889 Greek_Izmir
0.08431505 Greek_Peloponnese
0.09850058 Greek_Thessaly
0.10203570 Greek_Central_Macedonia
0.10684115 Turkish_Rumeli
0.11610861 Turkish_Deliorman

Distance to: Samaritan
0.07277473 Greek_Central_Anatolia
0.07604427 Greek_Kos
0.07983556 Greek_Crete
0.08681024 Greek_Trabzon
0.10198174 Greek_Izmir
0.11012110 Greek_Peloponnese
0.12270890 Greek_Thessaly
0.12657728 Greek_Central_Macedonia
0.13624181 Turkish_Rumeli
0.14334379 Turkish_Deliorman

Even better!

[Adamm]

Turks are the true camel Arab, some of them are integrated Arabs like some of them are integrated Bosniaks, Mongols...

The other populations just share Neolithic ancestry.

We're talking genetics here and not culture, genetically Greek Islanders are closer to Arabs than the Turks.

[Faklon]

I don't think so.


Distance to: Lebanese_Druze
0.04348685 Greek_Central_Anatolia
0.05082785 Greek_Kos
0.05626630 Greek_Crete
0.05940869 Greek_Trabzon
0.07825707 Greek_Izmir
0.08713783 Greek_Peloponnese
0.10044113 Greek_Thessaly
0.10420064 Greek_Central_Macedonia
0.10806158 Turkish_Rumeli
0.11717228 Turkish_Deliorman

Distance to: Lebanese_Muslim
0.05082926 Greek_Central_Anatolia
0.05521393 Greek_Kos
0.05832511 Greek_Crete
0.06461933 Greek_Trabzon
0.07950694 Greek_Izmir
0.08836482 Greek_Peloponnese
0.10078258 Greek_Thessaly
0.10362630 Greek_Central_Macedonia
0.10382471 Turkish_Rumeli
0.11276819 Turkish_Deliorman

Distance to: Lebanese_Christian
0.04902868 Greek_Central_Anatolia
0.05339490 Greek_Kos
0.05983028 Greek_Crete
0.06795415 Greek_Trabzon
0.08138817 Greek_Izmir
0.08988029 Greek_Peloponnese
0.10425774 Greek_Thessaly
0.10800733 Greek_Central_Macedonia
0.11572806 Turkish_Rumeli
0.12481902 Turkish_Deliorman


Distance to: Druze
0.04121347 Greek_Central_Anatolia
0.04762857 Greek_Kos
0.05390587 Greek_Crete
0.05912871 Greek_Trabzon
0.07568889 Greek_Izmir
0.08431505 Greek_Peloponnese
0.09850058 Greek_Thessaly
0.10203570 Greek_Central_Macedonia
0.10684115 Turkish_Rumeli
0.11610861 Turkish_Deliorman

Distance to: Samaritan
0.07277473 Greek_Central_Anatolia
0.07604427 Greek_Kos
0.07983556 Greek_Crete
0.08681024 Greek_Trabzon
0.10198174 Greek_Izmir
0.11012110 Greek_Peloponnese
0.12270890 Greek_Thessaly
0.12657728 Greek_Central_Macedonia
0.13624181 Turkish_Rumeli
0.14334379 Turkish_Deliorman

Lel, why do you only compare turkified Slavs?

[Kyp]

All people saying Iranians are the closest are the best evidence for why this thread was necessary.

[Tauromachos]

We're talking genetics here and not culture, genetically Greek Islanders are closer to Arabs than the Turks.

The only Arabs that are similar to Greeks are few people in the Levant

The rest is not

[Faklon]

We're talking genetics here and not culture, genetically Greek Islanders are closer to Arabs than the Turks.

I'm speaking about genetics too.

Turks have integrated Arabs from South Asia Minor which would show in their IBD shares but it may not show autosomally since they have also integrated Balkaners, Mongols, Pakistanis...

Greek islanders are not only the most "East-shifted" Cypriots and Cretans fyi, brennus cuck is right about that.

[mitalit]

Your point?

obviously not because of that.

Target: Greek_Central_Macedonia
Distance: 2.5030% / 0.02503007
50.2 EEF
35.6 STEPPE
6.6 LEVANT
4.2 CENTRAL-ASIA
1.6 WHG
1.2 IRAN
0.6 CHG

[Thracian]

Lel, why do you only compare turkified Slavs?

I just compared Turks from Balkans with Greeks. I ran it again for you and added Turks from Anatolia. Frankly, all of these numbers are quite big and make no sense. Maybe we can get different distances on Eurogenes K13's Vahaduo.

Distance to: Samaritan
0.07277473 Greek_Central_Anatolia
0.07604427 Greek_Kos
0.07983556 Greek_Crete
0.08681024 Greek_Trabzon
0.09454869 Turkish_Kayseri
0.09678581 Turkish_East
0.09911093 Turkish_Adana
0.10198174 Greek_Izmir
0.10534102 Turkish_Central
0.11012110 Greek_Peloponnese
0.11087158 Turkish_Istanbul
0.12270890 Greek_Thessaly
0.12340091 Turkish_North
0.12644863 Turkish_Aydin
0.12657728 Greek_Central_Macedonia
0.13024036 Turkish_Southwest
0.13157665 Turkish_South
0.13287083 Turkish_Balikesir
0.13474392 Turkish_Northwest
0.13624181 Turkish_Rumeli
0.14334379 Turkish_Deliorman

Distance to: Druze
0.04121347 Greek_Central_Anatolia
0.04762857 Greek_Kos
0.05390587 Greek_Crete
0.05912871 Greek_Trabzon
0.06260045 Turkish_Kayseri
0.06290461 Turkish_East
0.06770458 Turkish_Adana
0.07465876 Turkish_Central
0.07568889 Greek_Izmir
0.07843307 Turkish_Istanbul
0.08431505 Greek_Peloponnese
0.09439399 Turkish_North
0.09850058 Greek_Thessaly
0.09881289 Turkish_Aydin
0.10111848 Turkish_Southwest
0.10203570 Greek_Central_Macedonia
0.10323464 Turkish_South
0.10494771 Turkish_Balikesir
0.10651546 Turkish_Northwest
0.10684115 Turkish_Rumeli
0.11610861 Turkish_Deliorman

Distance to: Lebanese_Muslim
0.05082926 Greek_Central_Anatolia
0.05521393 Greek_Kos
0.05832511 Greek_Crete
0.06033560 Turkish_Kayseri
0.06162380 Turkish_East
0.06370809 Turkish_Adana
0.06461933 Greek_Trabzon
0.07070788 Turkish_Central
0.07585684 Turkish_Istanbul
0.07950694 Greek_Izmir
0.08836482 Greek_Peloponnese
0.09016459 Turkish_North
0.09315433 Turkish_Aydin
0.09594745 Turkish_Southwest
0.09785983 Turkish_South
0.10008634 Turkish_Balikesir
0.10078258 Greek_Thessaly
0.10126245 Turkish_Northwest
0.10362630 Greek_Central_Macedonia
0.10382471 Turkish_Rumeli
0.11276819 Turkish_Deliorman

Distance to: Lebanese_Druze
0.04348685 Greek_Central_Anatolia
0.05082785 Greek_Kos
0.05626630 Greek_Crete
0.05940869 Greek_Trabzon
0.06239902 Turkish_East
0.06292799 Turkish_Kayseri
0.06767574 Turkish_Adana
0.07471037 Turkish_Central
0.07825707 Greek_Izmir
0.07920963 Turkish_Istanbul
0.08713783 Greek_Peloponnese
0.09470242 Turkish_North
0.09900465 Turkish_Aydin
0.10044113 Greek_Thessaly
0.10144678 Turkish_Southwest
0.10326956 Turkish_South
0.10420064 Greek_Central_Macedonia
0.10523809 Turkish_Balikesir
0.10687381 Turkish_Northwest
0.10806158 Turkish_Rumeli
0.11717228 Turkish_Deliorman

Distance to: Lebanese_Christian
0.04902868 Greek_Central_Anatolia
0.05339490 Greek_Kos
0.05983028 Greek_Crete
0.06795415 Greek_Trabzon
0.07470310 Turkish_Kayseri
0.07535419 Turkish_East
0.07943182 Turkish_Adana
0.08138817 Greek_Izmir
0.08607423 Turkish_Central
0.08980867 Turkish_Istanbul
0.08988029 Greek_Peloponnese
0.10425774 Greek_Thessaly
0.10521379 Turkish_North
0.10800733 Greek_Central_Macedonia
0.10875357 Turkish_Aydin
0.11122788 Turkish_Southwest
0.11388295 Turkish_South
0.11515159 Turkish_Balikesir
0.11572806 Turkish_Rumeli
0.11689513 Turkish_Northwest
0.12481902 Turkish_Deliorman

[Ascended]

This is exactly why I created this thread. If Iranians are arab mutts so are greeks and turks. But I guess you are joking.

No I m serious...I never thought of Greeks or Turks to have any association with Arabs, but Iraniana look semi Arab to me

[Kyp]

No I m serious...I never thought of Greeks or Turks to have any association with Arabs, but Iraniana look semi Arab to me

:picard2:

[Kyp]

Compared to Levantine Arabs:
Lebanese:

Distance to: Lebanese_Muslim
8.49792328 Greek_Cypriot
8.50640935 Turk_Cyprus
11.60583043 Greek_Cappadocia
12.49863993 Turk_Southeast
13.04179819 Turk_Central_East
13.28642540 Greek_Kos
13.41894929 Turk_East
13.99697825 Turk_Central_West
14.85264960 Turk_South
15.25967890 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
15.67623041 Greek_Crete
16.01187372 Turk_West_BlackSea
17.05007038 Turk_Southwest
17.31844104 Greek_Pontus
18.03123679 Turk_East_Black_Sea
18.56705685 Greek_Izmir
19.08381775 Turk_Northwest
20.58714405 Iranian_Fars
21.22201923 Iranian
22.63444499 Greek_Foca
24.55742861 Iran_Khorasan
25.43922758 Greek_Athens
25.65041715 Greek_Central
25.69920038 Iran_Mazandaran
27.01810504 Greek_Peloponnese
30.01231747 Greek_Thessaloniki
30.03585690 Turk_Trakya
30.03676580 Greek_Thrace
30.72114581 Greek_Thessaly
31.08154758 Turk_Makedonya
33.28365665 Turk_Deliorman
35.24654026 Greek_Macedoni


Syrians:
Distance to: Syrians
8.13006150 Turk_Cyprus
8.35849269 Greek_Cypriot
11.74440292 Greek_Cappadocia
12.73589808 Turk_Southeast
13.12105941 Greek_Kos
13.14372854 Turk_Central_East
13.77092953 Turk_East
13.99319477 Turk_Central_West
14.85321177 Turk_South
15.24957376 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
15.50882652 Greek_Crete
15.94547585 Turk_West_BlackSea
16.93681788 Turk_Southwest
17.59260924 Greek_Pontus
18.26903391 Turk_East_Black_Sea
18.39142463 Greek_Izmir
18.94074444 Turk_Northwest
21.01928162 Iranian_Fars
21.74965287 Iranian
22.45312896 Greek_Foca
24.83705699 Iran_Khorasan
25.23081846 Greek_Athens
25.47503091 Greek_Central
26.20868177 Iran_Mazandaran
26.83330952 Greek_Peloponnese
29.81716787 Greek_Thessaloniki
29.85999665 Turk_Trakya
29.86241785 Greek_Thrace
30.53716261 Greek_Thessaly
30.90391076 Turk_Makedonya
33.12226291 Turk_Deliorman
35.09626618 Greek_Macedonia

[Ascended]

Phenotype wise says different though...

[Fedora]

Arabs are not homogenous people. Algerian Arabs and Saudi Arabs are very different.
Iranian are closer to Iraaqi arabs most likely. Islander Greeks to Levantine Arabs...

[Kyp]

Arabs are not homogenous people. Algerian Arabs and Saudi Arabs are very different.
Iranian arabs are closer to Iraaqi arabs most likely. Islander Greeks to Levantine Arabs...

That's why I initially only used "Pure" Peninsular arabs as a reference.

[Hamilcar]

I really start to think genetic distances are meaningless in some context

[Kyp]

I really start to think genetic distances are meaningless in some context

I'll remind you on that the next time someone calls Moroccans black.

[Ascended]

for phenotype things like climate, diet, even sexual positions etc matter more than genetic distances/dodecad nonesense

[Kyp]

for phenotype things like climate, diet, even sexual positions etc matter more than genetic distances/dodecad nonesense

Did I ask for phenotype comparison?

[Leto]

One group is European, the other two are not.

[Hamilcar]

I'll remind you on that the next time someone calls Moroccans black.

unfortunately for you I've never brought genetic distances when it comes to black moroccans (I spoke about autosomal results, haplogroups and history not genetic distances)

[Kyp]

unfortunately for you I've never brought genetic distances when it comes to black moroccans (I spoke about autosomal results, haplogroups and history not genetic distances)

all of those three criteria wouldn't change anything to what is already evident with the genetic distances.

[Hamilcar]

all of those three criteria wouldn't change anything to what is already evident with the genetic distances.

Indeed the genetic distances are big and it's highlighted by studies themselves :


A second interesting fact is the marked distance that exists between Algerians in the northern region - and in general the sedentary groups of northern Africa - and the nomadic inhabitants of the Sahara. The comparison of nomadic groups also indicates a clear diversity, showing that there is more divergence between them than between sedentary groups in the north, even geographically distant. These differences between the Algerians of the northern zone and the Saharan nomads show that the Sahara has played the role of an anthropological barrier, also isolating the populations who inhabit it from each other, a factor favorable to the appearance of biological characters.

https://journals.openedition.org/encyclopedieberbere/2897#tocto1n2

I will not even talk about the black maghrebi samples on G25 who are clearly out the north african cluster.

My distance with some of them :

Distance to: Hamilcar_scaled
0.32546279 Berber_Algeria:BerZN144
0.33152647 Berber_Algeria:BerZN103
0.34286406 Berber_Algeria:BerZN142
0.41517504 Berber_Algeria:BerZN131
0.46798588 Berber_Algeria:BerZN113


lol I'm closer to a Pole than them lol :

Distance to: Hamilcar_scaled
0.22240255 Polish:Polish10
0.23700020 Polish:Polish12
0.24024102 Polish:Polish11
0.25006764 Polish:Polish1
0.25013026 Polish:Polish13