Which do you think is more likely to become independent: Quebec or Puerto Rico?

[Tooting Carmen]

I forgot to include them in this thread: https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?334132-Which-of-the-following-do-you-envisage-becoming-independent-within-the-next-thirty-years

Therefore, let us discuss.

[sean]

None.

I honestly think Paul Plamondon won't make Quebec independent.

The chance of Quebec becoming independent died in 1995, ironically, Quebec would have been independent in 1995 if they let the entire country vote. If I recall, they lost some 90% of their banking (Montreal was the capital of banking in Canada, nows it's the capital of nothing) and more than 70% of their factories between 1993-1995.

They literally cannot exist on their own and would go bankrupt overnight as nobody would lend to them had they left, and this is one reason why Quebec independence is supported by a higher percent in Ontario, Alberta, Manitoba, Prince Edward Island, Newfoundland, and the Yukon than it is in Quebec.

Puerto Rico has had dozens of chances to go independent or become a state. Yet they keep picking to remain a territory. It is a corrupt, incompetent and dependent shithole.

America is not gonna let go of the shithole because US used the USS Maine incident as a casus belli to take the damned island as the spoils of war (they never found out if the Spanish truly killed the sailors). If the US forks over Puerto Rico to Spain, the government would be admitting that it did something evil. Effectively, that is paying back reparations to the Spanish. And Uncle Sam has too much bravado and ego to admit that he made a mistake.

However, I doubt anyone in America will even blink an eye if they were to become independent. Americans need to dump that brown mongrel colony.

[Tooting Carmen]

None.

I honestly think Paul Plamondon won't make Quebec independent.

The chance of Quebec becoming independent died in 1995, ironically, Quebec would have been independent in 1995 if they let the entire country vote. If I recall, they lost some 90% of their banking (Montreal was the capital of banking in Canada, nows it's the capital of nothing) and more than 70% of their factories between 1993-1995.

They literally cannot exist on their own and would go bankrupt overnight as nobody would lend to them had they left, and this is one reason why Quebec independence is supported by a higher percent in Ontario, Alberta, Manitoba, Prince Edward Island, Newfoundland, and the Yukon than it is in Quebec.

Puerto Rico has had dozens of chances to go independent or become a state. Yet they keep picking to remain a territory. It is a corrupt, incompetent and dependent shithole.

America is not gonna let go of the shithole because US used the USS Maine incident as a casus belli to take the damned island as the spoils of war (they never found out if the Spanish truly killed the sailors). If the US forks over Puerto Rico to Spain, the government would be admitting that it did something evil. Effectively, that is paying back reparations to the Spanish. And Uncle Sam has too much bravado and ego to admit that he made a mistake.

However, I doubt anyone in America will even blink an eye if they were to become independent. Americans need to dump that brown mongrel colony.

I'm not sure if it was CostaRicaBall or axel aleman who used Puerto Rico as an example of how putatively better-off Costa Rica or Panama would be were they to be controlled by the US. How ironic.

[sean]

I'm not sure if it was CostaRicaBall or axel aleman who used Puerto Rico as an example of how putatively better-off Costa Rica or Panama would be were they to be controlled by the US. How ironic.

Puerto Rico is actually self-governed. It does not matter who they elect, Puerto Ricans immediately turn into corrupt criminals as soon as they are elected to any office.

Much like the corrupt insect genes of the chink make him lust for fried bat and cash only business, the corrupt brown genes of the latin mongrel make him lust for power and influence to fill the gaping void his Spaniard rapedaddy left when he went back to Spain.

The majority of Puerto Ricans in the mainland are absolutely content receiving the benefits of the United States, without being forced to pay US taxes. Puerto Rico is like a fucking boat: a hole in the water you pour money into.

Panama literally solely exists as a US puppet state created out of the dismemberment of Gran Colombia so a canal could be built. After the 1989 invasion was over and Noriega was ousted, the new government became very compliant. It passed a law, forbidding Panama from stationing military forces anywhere near the canal, allowing the US to maintain control over it.

Costa Rica has a tax free zone for American companies to operate. Full of American expats. However, the infrastructure is shit and import taxes make vehicles and electronics cost almost twice as much as in the states, and this also means that getting anything done takes forever.

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[AdrianV]

Puerto Rico is actually self-governed. It does not matter who they elect, Puerto Ricans immediately turn into corrupt criminals as soon as they are elected to any office.

Much like the corrupt insect genes of the chink make him lust for fried bat and cash only business, the corrupt brown genes of the latin mongrel make him lust for power and influence to fill the gaping void his Spaniard rapedaddy left when he went back to Spain.

The majority of Puerto Ricans in the mainland are absolutely content receiving the benefits of the United States, without being forced to pay US taxes. Puerto Rico is like a fucking boat: a hole in the water you pour money into.

Panama literally solely exists as a US puppet state created out of the dismemberment of Gran Colombia so a canal could be built. After the 1989 invasion was over and Noriega was ousted, the new government became very compliant. It passed a law, forbidding Panama from stationing military forces anywhere near the canal, allowing the US to maintain control over it.

Costa Rica has a tax free zone for American companies to operate. Full of American expats. However, the infrastructure is shit and import taxes make vehicles and electronics cost almost twice as much as in the states, and this also means that getting anything done takes forever.
Disgusting BS. I understand protecting home based manufacturing but since they don't have any (like a lot places like CR) that is really massive gouging on their citizens. Domincan Rep generally has an import tax of 0% if the Auto is manufactured in the USA. A caveat is generally newer models, like 7 years old and newer. Good info Sean, beast mode.

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[axel.aleman]

I'm not sure if it was CostaRicaBall or axel aleman who used Puerto Rico as an example of how putatively better-off Costa Rica or Panama would be were they to be controlled by the US. How ironic.

CostaRicaBall sería, yo después expongo como el paternalismo yankee incluso afecto a Panamá

[Tooting Carmen]

CostaRicaBall sería, yo después expongo como el paternalismo yankee incluso afecto a Panamá

But you still praise the US for effectively creating Panama in the first place, don't you?

[axel.aleman]

But you still praise the US for effectively creating Panama in the first place, don't you?

Yo solo agradezco la ayuda para librarnos de la opresion bogotana y los golpes de estado a Arnulfo Arias. De ahí no tengo que agradecer más nada a EEUU y tampoco creo un paraíso

[Tsuin]

None

[zebruh]

Quebec. Im ashamed but puerto ricans from the island are cucks that will never vote for independence. A bunch of gusanos who drag down the few puerto ricans who want independance and betterment of their country. They blame the US for everything but still want to be part of the empire.

[Tooting Carmen]

Quebec. Im ashamed but puerto ricans from the island are cucks that will never vote for independence. A bunch of gusanos who drag down the few puerto ricans who want independance and betterment of their country. They blame the US for everything but still want to be part of the empire.

Really?

[axel.aleman]

A Puerto Rico talvez pronto EEUU lo deje a su suerte

[Voskos]

Puerto Rico, America has better democracy than Cucknadian Englishboys.

[Colonel Frank Grimes]

This guy is just beyond stupid.


America is not gonna let go of the shithole because US used the USS Maine incident as a casus belli to take the damned island as the spoils of war (they never found out if the Spanish truly killed the sailors).

Lolz...


In 1976, Admiral Hyman G. Rickover commissioned a private investigation into the explosion, and the National Geographic Society did an investigation in 1998, using computer simulations. All investigations agreed that an explosion of the forward magazines caused the destruction of the ship, but different conclusions were reached as to how the magazines could have exploded.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Maine_(1889)

Naturally you're too stupid to see the bigger picture.


If the US forks over Puerto Rico to Spain, the government would be admitting that it did something evil. Effectively, that is paying back reparations to the Spanish. And Uncle Sam has too much bravado and ego to admit that he made a mistake.

Puerto Rico wouldn't go back to Spain, you dumb fuck. The choice has always been 1) statehood 2) status quo 3) Independence.

There hasn't been an option to go back under the Spanish flag.

So fucking stupid.


However, I doubt anyone in America will even blink an eye if they were to become independent. Americans need to dump that brown mongrel colony.

It's not surprising that you're unaware of Puerto Rico's military strategic importance.

Post less. You're dumb.

[axel.aleman]

This guy is just beyond stupid.



Lolz...



Naturally you're too stupid to see the bigger picture.



Puerto Rico wouldn't go back to Spain, you dumb fuck. The choice has always been 1) statehood 2) status quo 3) Independence.

There hasn't been an option to go back under the Spanish flag.

So fucking stupid.



It's not surprising that you're unaware of Puerto Rico's military strategic importance.

Post less. You're dumb.

Existe un movimiento minoritario de Boricuas que quieren regresar a España pero eso sería imposible. Igual no creo que obtenga la Estadidad, los republicanos no lo permitirían. Lo más probable son dos cosas: se mantenga el status Quo o EEUU le conceda la independencia

[NSXD60]

Neither, unless they cease being so, Marxist nations don't relinquish territory without a fight to the death.

[Colonel Frank Grimes]

Existe un movimiento minoritario de Boricuas que quieren regresar a España pero eso sería imposible. Igual no creo que obtenga la Estadidad, los republicanos no lo permitirían. Lo más probable son dos cosas: se mantenga el status Quo o EEUU le conceda la independencia

It's never been a ballot option to return to Spain, nor would Spain take Puerto Rico. It doesn't matter if some Puerto Ricans want to be part of Spain. They're not significant. Statehood will not happen because it would tip the scales to the Democrats. The status quo is likely. If there were independence, Puerto Rico wouldn't really be independent.

Ironically losing the Spanish-American War was a good thing for Spain. Although Catalan businessmen weren't happy about it since they were heavily involved in the Cuban sugar trade.

[PierreUno]

Puerto Rico, America has better democracy than Cucknadian Englishboys.

America is not a Democracy it is an Oligarchy, genius.

[axel.aleman]

It's never been a ballot option to return to Spain, nor would Spain take Puerto Rico. It doesn't matter if some Puerto Ricans want to be part of Spain. They're not significant. Statehood will not happen because it would tip the scales to the Democrats. The status quo is likely. If there were independence, Puerto Rico wouldn't really be independent.

Ironically losing the Spanish-American War was a good thing for Spain. Although Catalan businessmen weren't happy about it since they were heavily involved in the Cuban sugar trade.

Sabes bastante de la historia de España y el Caribe Hispano
Justo después de perder sus últimas colonias en América entonces nace el nacionalismo catalán

[InmostLight]

America is not a Democracy it is an Oligarchy, genius.

America is a gigantic spiderweb bureaucracy more than an oligarchy, IMO. We probably agree that there are a few big interests at the top, but an oligarchy wouldn't have millions of employees across hundreds of alphabet soup agencies, like we do. For an oligarchy to allow the dilution of its own power through such bureaucratization sounds irresponsible. Correct me if wrong

[PierreUno]

America is a gigantic spiderweb bureaucracy more than an oligarchy, IMO. We probably agree that there are a few big interests at the top, but an oligarchy wouldn't have millions of employees across hundreds of alphabet soup agencies, like we do. For an oligarchy to allow the dilution of its own power through such bureaucratization sounds irresponsible. Correct me if wrong

The government and bereaucracy work for the oligarchy similar to how cops work for ZioCorp and not for the taxpayers.

[Colonel Frank Grimes]

Sabes bastante de la historia de España y el Caribe Hispano
Justo después de perder sus últimas colonias en América entonces nace el nacionalismo catalán

The loss of Cuba was a major factor in the Catalan independence movement. It started off as a big business movement upset that it lost its monopoly.

At the end of the day, almost everything comes down to economics.

[Jankec]

Quebec, Puerto Ricans will never want to separate from the American breast.

[Tooting Carmen]

Interestingly, while the UNHDI ranks Puerto Rico below any US state, Quebec is ranked the fourth-most developed Canadian province: https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?380317-Human-Development-Index-2021-by-provinces-territories-of-Canada-and-which-countries-are-comparable
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?375247-Human-Development-Index-by-US-state-and-territory-and-which-countries-are-comparable

[arco]

quebec

[Your Old Comrade]

Quebec. Puerto Pobre wouldn't survive a year without US gibs.

[Abaddon]

Quebec

[Tooting Carmen]

Quebec. Puerto Pobre wouldn't survive a year without US gibs.

It would probably lose some of its affluence, but equally I don't think an independent PR would turn into Haiti or even Jamaica.