My husband autosomal DNA - Polish from Mazowsze

[Madonna]

His maternal line his H - we did 23nd me not full mtDNA
His paternal line match my son which is R1a Z287

they are Originally from Plock ( Mazowsze) however they had some Belarusian from mother side too

[Peterski]

^^^ These results look more like a Kujawiak than like a Mazowszanin to be honest.

Mazovia is not homogenous. Western Mazovia (Płock) looks closer to Western Poles.

Is all of your husband's recent ancestry from around Płock ???

[Madonna]

^^^ These results look more like a Kujawiak than like a Mazowszanin to be honest.

Mazovia is not homogenous. Western Mazovia (Płock) looks closer to Western Poles.

Is all of your husband's recent ancestry from around Płock ???

We are all from new lands so all mixed families, father side was from villages nearby Plock, but they speak fluent German ( his grandfather) at least his grand and 2x grandfathers were before this we do not know, his maternal mother side was from Belarus, and maternal father side from Kalisz

[Lucas]

We are all from new lands so all mixed families, father side was from villages nearby Plock, but they speak fluent German ( his grandfather) at least his grand and 2x grandfathers were before this we do not know, his maternal mother side was from Belarus, and maternal father side from Kalisz

If those villages near Płock are maybe Stara Biała, Proboszczewice or something between Płock and Sikórz (generally till Skrwa river)? My paternal grandma has ancestry there. Surnames Skierski, Trześniewski.

[Madonna]

If those villages near Płock are maybe Stara Biała, Proboszczewice or something between Płock and Sikórz (generally till Skrwa river)? My paternal grandma has ancestry there. Surnames Skierski, Trześniewski.

Dabrusk :), I do not know all surnames but they are in their family: Popielski, Olecka, Graczyk, - they do not know a lot problem is his grandparents died and his father wasnt so interested to remember everything we would need to dig in documents, my mother family from central Poland they know very well all their surnames very back in time :D

[Lucas]

Dabrusk :), I do not know all surnames but they are in their family: Popielski, Olecka, Graczyk, - they do not know a lot problem is his grandparents died and his father wasnt so interested to remember everything we would need to dig in documents, my mother family from central Poland they know very well all their surnames very back in time :D

Quite close anyway:)

https://i.imgur.com/Q6DX0UU.png

[Madonna]

Quite close anyway:)

https://i.imgur.com/Q6DX0UU.png

yes very close :D

[Jana]

Please post his K13 Madonna! :)

[Not a Cop]

Nice, pretty much proto-slav results.

[Madonna]

Please post his K13 Madonna! :)

they are attached first file

[Jana]

they are attached first file

He's very Slavic!

Distance to: Madonna_husband

3.46273014 Ukrainian
4.82845731 Ukrainian_Lviv
5.51473481 Polish
6.33205338 South_Polish
6.42779122 Masurian
6.81873155 Southwest_Russian
6.92813106 Russian_Smolensk
7.27196672 Estonian_Polish
7.44562959 Russian
7.50899461 Ukrainian_Belgorod
7.75492102 Cossacks_Kuban
8.57914331 Sorb_Lusatia
8.71780936 Belorussian
9.43140499 Ukrainian_Ivano_Frankivsk
9.63752224 Slovak
10.66158525 Kargopol_Russian
10.91044454 Czech
11.79557544 Hungarian_Northern
12.01500728 Croat_Croatia_Zagorje
12.09338249 Lithuanian
12.36741283 Croat_Croatia_Central
12.75301141 Estonian
12.83751923 Slovenian
12.90332128 Bosniak_Bosnia_proper
13.29792465 Croat_Croatia_Slavonia

and he is very close to you genetically! You are second closest person to him. You're genetically matched couple :D

Distance to: Madonna_husband

3.35044773 Lemgrant(ukrainian)
4.50640655 Madonna(polish/rusyn)
4.76334966 Michal(polish)
5.15682073 SSlava(russian)
5.35355956 Visar(polish)
5.35825531 All(silesian)
5.78140121 Not_a_Cop_Grandfather2(Russian)
5.80050860 Peterski_Grandpa(Polish)
6.01290279 Krivich(Russian)
6.39567823 Silentkiller(russian)
6.54329428 rurov0(Russian)
6.62314880 Daos777(Khokhol-Moldovan-Polish)
7.10138015 Manda(croat)
7.20756547 A-ha(ukrainian)
7.32377635 Stanislav(russian/polish)
7.38325809 Lukasz(polish)
7.44591163 nuti(slovak)
7.52806084 Cumansky(polish/ukrainian)
7.66911990 Peterski_Cousin(Polish)
7.77719101 Peterski_Grandma(Polish)
7.82309402 Not_a_Cop_Grandmother2(RU-PL)
7.91784061 Abriekman(slav+balkan+jewish)
8.01319537 Lemgrant_mother(Ukrainian)
8.06473186 Vyacheslav(russian)
8.22552734 Leto_Dad(Belarusian)

[Peterski]

He's very Slavic!

Not for a Mazovian!

Typical Mazovians are closer to Belarusians than to Ukrainians.

I was just told this:

"Północne Mazowsze (tzn. na północ od dzisiejszej W-wy) było zasiedlane od późnego średniowiecza przez ludzi pochodzących z Kujaw i Wielkopolski (stąd chyba tak duży procentowy udział drobnej szlachty, wywodzącej się w dużej mierze od tych niezbyt zamożnych "wojskowych osadników" z zachodu)."

Seems in agreement with some results from Łomża area I've seen.

(they were also western-shifted even though Łomża is NE Mazovia)

[Rethel]

"Północne Mazowsze (tzn. na północ od dzisiejszej W-wy) było zasiedlane od późnego średniowiecza przez ludzi pochodzących z Kujaw i Wielkopolski (stąd chyba tak duży procentowy udział drobnej szlachty, wywodzącej się w dużej mierze od tych niezbyt zamożnych "wojskowych osadników" z zachodu)."

It depends what period we are talking about.
The most people from Poland came to Mazovia during and after reign of Miecław.
Firstly people of all etates just run there because of pagans who were destroying
Poland to the ground with Brzetysław as well, and later, probably mostly knights
were setteled there by Casimir the Renewer. Since then mostly Masovian nobles
were settling there, but later was also a second wave of szlachtic settlemets in
the same time when Podlachia was colonized - in the last quarter of XIV century
and mostly the first half of XVth century, but in Masovia it was mainly applying to
the Łomżaland, Wiskaland and partialy Nurland. Then also peasants came there as
well. Majority of szlachta were mainly of west Masovian provenance and to lesser
degree from Łęczycaland. Of course, were there also people from other lands, but
this was the main żywioł. Similarly was on the Podlachia with exeption, that there
were also in higher dergee settled Russkie, mainly by Lithuanians. Some were also
remains of Jadźwings and also other Balts. But szlachta was mainly from western
Mazovia and Łęczycaland, with some lesser addition of other people - like from for
example Great Poland. Quite probably I am a part of Wielkopolan wave of settlers.

In later centuries, new settlements in Masovia were almost exclusively from peasant
element partialy made of german colonists and of many Kurpies. In such manner was
for example colonized the White Wilderness in Nurland in XVIII century.

Aaa... and it shouldn't be forgot, that a lot of Mazowians were settled in Wielkopolska
before Miecław, when Piasts were resettling there a huge amount of people of all kinds.

[Jana]

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[Jana]

Not for a Mazovian!

Typical Mazovians are closer to Belarusians than to Ukrainians.

I was just told this:

"Północne Mazowsze (tzn. na północ od dzisiejszej W-wy) było zasiedlane od późnego średniowiecza przez ludzi pochodzących z Kujaw i Wielkopolski (stąd chyba tak duży procentowy udział drobnej szlachty, wywodzącej się w dużej mierze od tych niezbyt zamożnych "wojskowych osadników" z zachodu)."

Seems in agreement with some results from Łomża area I've seen.

(they were also western-shifted even though Łomża is NE Mazovia)

Belarusians are less Slavic than Ukrainians.

[Chris596]

Belarusians are less Slavic than Ukrainians.

Really? I never knew that. What is the reason behind it? Maybe Baltic influence?

[Abriekman]

Really? I never knew that. What is the reason behind it? Maybe Baltic influence?

Ukrainian is the best proxy for Slavic heritage for modelling on G25

[Leto]

Really? I never knew that. What is the reason behind it? Maybe Baltic influence?
She has been saying this for a long time. Greeks are Slavic, yet Belarusians are not :rolleyes:
To me the Belarusians are like the purest form of Russian. Basically a Russia without the Siberian and other non-Euro influences.

[Jana]

She has been saying this for a long time. Greeks are Slavic, yet Belarusians are not :rolleyes:
To me the Belarusians are like the purest form of Russian. Basically a Russia without the Siberian and other non-Euro influences.

You're pathetic.

[Jana]

Really? I never knew that. What is the reason behind it? Maybe Baltic influence?

Yes, 3/4 of Belarusians are Baltic admixed. Visible in toponyms and hydronyms in Belarus too.
When I say Ukrainians I don't mean Balkan admixed SW Ukrainians obviously.

[Leto]

You're pathetic.
I don't wanna talk to you, Stears. You are a dead member to me, virtually of course. Don't make me start insulting you in another person's thread. And also I think Feiichy needs to take a break for a couple of weeks. She is generally fine but her mood swings too often (from friendly to aggressive).

[Peterski]

Belarusians are less Slavic than Ukrainians.
Ukrainian is the best proxy for Slavic heritage for modelling on G25

If so then why are Medieval Slavic samples - such as Krakauer Berg and VKs - more similar to Belarusians than to Ukrainians?

[Jana]

If so then why are Medieval Slavic samples - such as Krakauer Berg and VKs - more similar to Belarusians than to Ukrainians?

No idea what samples you are talking about and how pure they are. Belarusians are Baltic admixed, fact.

[Leto]

If so then why are Medieval Slavic samples - such as Krakauer Berg and VKs - more similar to Belarusians than to Ukrainians?
Peterski, I know it's offtopic but please do the Kiev & Minsk averages for me, I just don't wanna lose that opportunity!

[Peterski]

No idea what samples you are talking about and how pure they are.

I'm talking about Medieval Slavs from East Germany.