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Inquizzitor2
11-21-2020, 11:28 PM
Can someone post a DNA plot map for fully Scottish and fully Irish DNA samples? Am I correct in thinking that Scotland will skew a bit ore towards not only England but also Scandinavia? If Orkney (Orcadian) results could be added too, I think you'll definitely see a slight affinity towards Scandinavia.

PaleoEuropean
11-21-2020, 11:45 PM
Can someone post a DNA plot map for fully Scottish and fully Irish DNA samples? Am I correct in thinking that Scotland will skew a bit ore towards not only England but also Scandinavia? If Orkney (Orcadian) results could be added too, I think you'll definitely see a slight affinity towards Scandinavia.

If I am not mistaken autosomally Orcadians are more Pictish shifted

J. Ketch
11-22-2020, 12:19 AM
Can someone post a DNA plot map for fully Scottish and fully Irish DNA samples? Am I correct in thinking that Scotland will skew a bit ore towards not only England but also Scandinavia? If Orkney (Orcadian) results could be added too, I think you'll definitely see a slight affinity towards Scandinavia.
Scottish are between Irish and English but closer to the Irish on average. The British Isles on PCAs runs diagonally Northwest from SE England (the closest region to the continent, South Dutch/Flemish/Normans) to Western Ireland at the Northwest extreme, with Scottish between, probably slightly closer to Scandinavians on average than Irish are, because of less Insular drift and a more Germanic admixture. Orcadians are quite Insular/Celtic, but some of them have a notable Scandinavian shift, up to 25% in some parts.

JamesBond007
11-22-2020, 01:13 AM
Can someone post a DNA plot map for fully Scottish and fully Irish DNA samples? Am I correct in thinking that Scotland will skew a bit ore towards not only England but also Scandinavia? If Orkney (Orcadian) results could be added too, I think you'll definitely see a slight affinity towards Scandinavia.

You want me to to create a G25 PCA with Scottish, Irish, Icelandic, Norwegian and English samples ?

I'm probably of Scottish origin like medieval Braveheart era Scottish :

Target: KevinG_scaled
Distance: 1.9624% / 0.01962356
42.8 England_IA (British Celtic)
32.0 ISL_Viking_Age_Pre_Christian (Scandinavian Viking)
25.2 SVK_Poprad_MA (Deutschendort Germanic)

^ The Deutschendorf Germanic is not typical of Scotland but German admixture is not atypical in the Ulster Scots mainland Scots would perhap shave Danish-Norse admixture instead of German-Norse admixture. Pictish-Goidelic(Irish)-Cymru(Welsh)-Angle(Danish)-Norse(Norwegian) would be a traditional Scottish admixture where just Celtic Goidelic would be an Irish one.

Basically, Scots are halfway between the native Irish/Welsh (Celtics) on the one hand and the English/Germanics on the otherhand. Traditionally , the Irish are more Celtic but I dunno about modern Irish maybe the Irish were totally conquered people and the natives wiped out (controversial I know)

Inquizzitor2
11-23-2020, 10:37 PM
You want me to to create a G25 PCA with Scottish, Irish, Icelandic, Norwegian and English samples ?

I'm probably of Scottish origin like medieval Braveheart era Scottish :

Target: KevinG_scaled
Distance: 1.9624% / 0.01962356
42.8 England_IA (British Celtic)
32.0 ISL_Viking_Age_Pre_Christian (Scandinavian Viking)
25.2 SVK_Poprad_MA (Deutschendort Germanic)

^ The Deutschendorf Germanic is not typical of Scotland but German admixture is not atypical in the Ulster Scots mainland Scots would perhap shave Danish-Norse admixture instead of German-Norse admixture. Pictish-Goidelic(Irish)-Cymru(Welsh)-Angle(Danish)-Norse(Norwegian) would be a traditional Scottish admixture where just Celtic Goidelic would be an Irish one.

Basically, Scots are halfway between the native Irish/Welsh (Celtics) on the one hand and the English/Germanics on the otherhand. Traditionally , the Irish are more Celtic but I dunno about modern Irish maybe the Irish were totally conquered people and the natives wiped out (controversial I know)

Yes that would be great. Also, Orcadian samples if possible. My great-grandmother was 100% Orcadian.