Norman eurogenes k13

[Italicus]

I have seen k13 results from much of France, but I can't find kits from Normandy, which is apparently the most north shifted. Anybody have results from there, as well as a mixed mode?

[dududud]

Normands are close genetically to other french : central, north-western (except the "irish like" Breton area), Southern ; French in general.

Normands are more close to Central French than English or Swedish.

[Leto]

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?225034-French-GEDmatch-kit-numbers&p=7007196&viewfull=1#post7007196

[J. Ketch]

Someone from Guernsey who has all French names in their tree


Guernsey1,50.9,20.15,16.12,5.92,2.14,0.3,3.61,0,0, 0.49,0,0,0.37

Distance to: Guernsey1
3.97509748 Southwest_English
4.46260014 Welsh
4.66610116 FRA_Armorica
4.67648372 English_Southwest
5.26463674 Irish_Leinster
5.32766365 English
5.43952204 English_Midlands
5.47539040 Irish_Ulster
5.49034607 English_Southeast
5.57443271 English_North
5.60099991 Irish_Munster
5.66498897 Irish
5.79348772 Scottish
6.09932783 West_Scottish
6.11767930 Irish_Connacht
6.30175372 Orcadian
7.75621041 Dutch
7.78632134 Dutch_South
7.96151996 Dutch_Central
8.85603184 Dutch_North
9.90886472 German_West
10.41984165 FRA_Belgica
10.52068914 North_German
10.79077847 Denmark
11.02124766 Norwegian

Distance: 92.8246% / 0.92824591
Target: Guernsey1 | ADC: 0.25x RC
43.9 Southwest_English
41.4 Irish_Ulster
10.7 French_Basque
3.4 Kol
0.6 Welsh

Their child, who has minor English ancestry it would seem


Guernsey2,49.34,23.99,15.41,5.44,0.77,0,1.87,0,0,1 .04,1.34,0,0.81

Distance to: Guernsey2
3.73192980 Welsh
3.77263833 English_Southwest
3.87551287 English_North
3.98613848 English
4.15438323 English_Midlands
4.26281597 Orcadian
4.28813479 Southwest_English
4.30427694 English_Southeast
4.41478199 Irish_Leinster
4.54033038 FRA_Armorica
4.89446626 Irish
5.23424302 Irish_Munster
5.24502622 Irish_Connacht
5.27094868 Dutch
5.34991589 Irish_Ulster
5.36217307 West_Scottish
5.37955388 Scottish
5.41788704 Dutch_Central
5.85936857 Dutch_North
6.61801330 Dutch_South
7.49515844 Denmark
7.73675643 North_German
7.78109247 Norwegian
8.07126384 Norway_South_Central
8.08896161 Sweden_Götaland

Distance: 167.9315% / 1.67931487
Target: Guernsey2 | ADC: 0.25x RC
52.2 Welsh
34.3 Orcadian
7.3 Masurian
4.4 French_Basque
0.9 Chamar
0.6 Papuan
0.3 Yoruban

Mostly Guernsey French with minor English and Breton


Guernsey3,46.19,20.05,17.32,7.08,5.3,1.51,1.78,0,0 ,0,0.41,0,0.33

Distance to: Guernsey3
4.20706549 FRA_Armorica
4.60354211 FRA_Belgica
4.90154057 Dutch_South
5.91005076 German_West
6.06778378 English_Southeast
6.42710666 English_Midlands
6.51048385 English_Southwest
6.51260317 Pennsylvania_Dutch
6.77631906 English
7.39687772 Swiss_German2
7.44199570 Southwest_English
7.45427394 FRA_Central
7.59054017 Welsh
7.64231640 English_North
7.69170332 FRA_Alsace
8.17108928 Dutch
8.32377919 Swiss_German
8.63291955 Irish_Leinster
8.79880674 French
8.91895173 Dutch_Central
9.13219579 Orcadian
9.23786772 German
9.55141874 Irish
9.64791687 Irish_Munster
9.65094814 Scottish

Distance: 81.4180% / 0.81417986
Target: Guernsey3 | ADC: 0.25x RC
56.1 FRA_Armorica
15.2 Welsh
14.1 IT_Aosta_Valley
6.3 FRA_Belgica
5.7 FRA_Aquitania
2.6 Balochi

[Italicus]

I wonder if these results apply to the whole region or only to smaller parts where viking settlement was more dense, like the Pays de Caux or the Cotentin peninsula. Do you know where he is from in Normandy?

[J. Ketch]

Someone from Manche, Normandy.

1 North_Atlantic 48.4
2 Baltic 22.15
3 West_Med 15.85
4 East_Med 6.86
5 Siberian 2.38
6 West_Asian 2.3
7 South_Asian 0.77
8 Red_Sea 0.57
9 East_Asian 0.27
10 Northeast_African 0.19
11 Oceanian 0.18
12 Amerindian 0.08

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Southeast_English 4.43
2 South_Dutch 4.97
3 Southwest_English 5.83
4 Orcadian 6.38
5 West_German 6.65
6 West_Scottish 7.78
7 North_Dutch 7.85
8 Danish 7.98
9 Irish 8.02
10 North_German 8.71
11 French 8.75
12 Norwegian 9.94
13 Swedish 11.42
14 Austrian 12.95
15 East_German 13.75
16 Spanish_Cataluna 15.26
17 North_Swedish 15.89
18 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 16.4
19 Southwest_French 16.43
20 Spanish_Galicia 16.75

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 75.7% Orcadian + 24.3% Spanish_Valencia @ 2.94
2 65% Norwegian + 35% Spanish_Valencia @ 2.96
3 75.9% Orcadian + 24.1% Spanish_Murcia @ 3.01
4 74.9% Orcadian + 25.1% Portuguese @ 3.03
5 83.6% Southeast_English + 16.4% Spanish_Galicia @ 3.05
6 72.8% Orcadian + 27.2% Spanish_Cataluna @ 3.06
7 71.5% Danish + 28.5% Spanish_Aragon @ 3.07
8 66.2% Norwegian + 33.8% Spanish_Aragon @ 3.07
9 65.1% Norwegian + 34.9% Spanish_Murcia @ 3.07
10 84.7% Southeast_English + 15.3% Spanish_Murcia @ 3.07
11 84% Southeast_English + 16% Portuguese @ 3.07
12 74.3% Orcadian + 25.7% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 3.09
13 83.5% Southeast_English + 16.5% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 3.09
14 84.8% Southeast_English + 15.2% Spanish_Valencia @ 3.12
15 93.6% Southeast_English + 6.4% Sardinian @ 3.14
16 82.7% Southeast_English + 17.3% Spanish_Cataluna @ 3.15
17 61.3% Norwegian + 38.7% Spanish_Cataluna @ 3.16
18 74.8% Orcadian + 25.2% Spanish_Galicia @ 3.18
19 83.9% Southeast_English + 16.1% Southwest_French @ 3.18
20 85.9% Southeast_English + 14.1% Spanish_Extremadura @ 3.21

[Dick]

I assume it was a mostly male invasion hence their adoption of the French language. Those guys really were just "semen" sailing the seas, pun intended. I mean it wasn't like the Anglo-Saxon invasion, which wasn't really an invasion I guess but it sounds more badass for the English ego. A Breton chieftain married a daughter of a Saxon chieftain or some shit like that(kind of like a Trojan horse event), where hundreds of thousands of men, women and children set sail for Ape Island.

[J.S.]

I guess it is the kind of result one's should expect on the coastal side of Normandy not much in the hinterland.

[Italicus]

Someone from Manche, Normandy.

1 North_Atlantic 48.4
2 Baltic 22.15
3 West_Med 15.85
4 East_Med 6.86
5 Siberian 2.38
6 West_Asian 2.3
7 South_Asian 0.77
8 Red_Sea 0.57
9 East_Asian 0.27
10 Northeast_African 0.19
11 Oceanian 0.18
12 Amerindian 0.08

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Southeast_English 4.43
2 South_Dutch 4.97
3 Southwest_English 5.83
4 Orcadian 6.38
5 West_German 6.65
6 West_Scottish 7.78
7 North_Dutch 7.85
8 Danish 7.98
9 Irish 8.02
10 North_German 8.71
11 French 8.75
12 Norwegian 9.94
13 Swedish 11.42
14 Austrian 12.95
15 East_German 13.75
16 Spanish_Cataluna 15.26
17 North_Swedish 15.89
18 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 16.4
19 Southwest_French 16.43
20 Spanish_Galicia 16.75

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 75.7% Orcadian + 24.3% Spanish_Valencia @ 2.94
2 65% Norwegian + 35% Spanish_Valencia @ 2.96
3 75.9% Orcadian + 24.1% Spanish_Murcia @ 3.01
4 74.9% Orcadian + 25.1% Portuguese @ 3.03
5 83.6% Southeast_English + 16.4% Spanish_Galicia @ 3.05
6 72.8% Orcadian + 27.2% Spanish_Cataluna @ 3.06
7 71.5% Danish + 28.5% Spanish_Aragon @ 3.07
8 66.2% Norwegian + 33.8% Spanish_Aragon @ 3.07
9 65.1% Norwegian + 34.9% Spanish_Murcia @ 3.07
10 84.7% Southeast_English + 15.3% Spanish_Murcia @ 3.07
11 84% Southeast_English + 16% Portuguese @ 3.07
12 74.3% Orcadian + 25.7% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 3.09
13 83.5% Southeast_English + 16.5% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 3.09
14 84.8% Southeast_English + 15.2% Spanish_Valencia @ 3.12
15 93.6% Southeast_English + 6.4% Sardinian @ 3.14
16 82.7% Southeast_English + 17.3% Spanish_Cataluna @ 3.15
17 61.3% Norwegian + 38.7% Spanish_Cataluna @ 3.16
18 74.8% Orcadian + 25.2% Spanish_Galicia @ 3.18
19 83.9% Southeast_English + 16.1% Southwest_French @ 3.18
20 85.9% Southeast_English + 14.1% Spanish_Extremadura @ 3.21

Thanks!

[Italicus]

I assume it was a mostly male invasion hence their adoption of the French language. Those guys really were just "semen" sailing the seas, pun intended. I mean it wasn't like the Anglo-Saxon invasion, which wasn't really an invasion I guess but it sounds more badass for the English ego. A Breton chieftain married a daughter of a Saxon chieftain or some shit like that(kind of like a Trojan horse event), where hundreds of thousands of men, women and children set sail for Ape Island.

I believe that the Hiberno Norse brought Irish women with them to the Cotentin and the Anglo Danish settlers brought Anglo Danish women with them to the Pays de Caux, (perhaps explaining the reason they are autosomally Anglo like) but it probably was male mediated in most of Normandy. Then again, I don't really know if all of Normandy is like this, or just those select few regions.