Phase two, K13 European averages test

[Lemminkäinen]

This one is still testing, but I hope you could try it. I have now stripped off outliers and most calculator effects, yet to do fine tuning and searching lacking populations, like Serbs.

English,49.677,24.412,13.07,4.5,4.9,0.336,0.863,0. 148,0.299,0.731,0.496,0.311,0.349
French_South,46.981,9.412,31.737,0.827,6.614,1.522 ,1.15,0.722,0.24,0.275,0.127,0.342,0.182
French_North,55.948,14.674,16.21,3.28,6.702,1.188, 0.44,0.543,0.275,0.205,0.224,0.115,0.185
Italian_South,16.7,5.93,22.123,15.056,31.91,5.922, 0.361,0.22,0.168,0.29,0.388,0.57,0.357
Spain,40.506,10.274,27.622,2.481,12.516,3.556,0.12 4,0.291,0.181,0.26,0.247,1.528,0.41
Italian_North,29.601,8.45,28.49,7.156,23.531,1.235 ,0.088,0.431,0.298,0.178,0.135,0.204,0.195
German1,40.98,22.224,17.045,7.311,7.312,1.644,1.7, 0.13,0.235,0.227,0.698,0.242,0.242
German2,39.258,36.3,10.721,5.077,4.763,1.013,0.546 ,0.146,0.551,0.41,0.667,0.228,0.313
Swedish,46.05,32.957,9.932,4.922,2.47,0.256,0.676, 0.458,0.836,0.556,0.513,0.15,0.216
Finnish,37.56,46.00,5.45,3.16,0.04,0.33,0.12,0.00, 5.89,1.11,0.32,0.02,0.00
Estonian,31.866,51.594,6.549,2.363,1.251,0.589,1.5 05,0.095,2.358,0.741,0.552,0.266,0.261
Russian_North,4.885,72.149,6.024,2.635,2.725,1.82, 0.995,0.208,7.156,0.729,0.388,0.14,0.14
Russian_Mezen,24.455,51.755,4.22,3.535,1.45,0.605, 2.06,0.135,10.52,1.22,0,0.03,0.02
Russian_Kostroma,26.193,48.541,6.213,5.351,3.188,0 .391,1.046,0.685,6.373,1.155,0.52,0.188,0.156
Russian,26.31,48.045,8.885,6.672,4.547,0.636,1.006 ,0.137,2.257,0.746,0.423,0.123,0.205
Albanian,19.734,16.541,22.602,12.227,24.39,2.957,0 .275,0.468,0.181,0.068,0.248,0.192,0.111
Latvian,26.637,58.04,6.593,3.486,0.75,0.626,0.736, 0.33,1.388,0.673,0.386,0.206,0.143
Belarusian,28.062,48.437,9.881,4.361,4.146,0.612,1 .576,0.401,1.142,0.603,0.483,0.251,0.036
Slovenian,30.64,33.38,15.452,7.036,9.799,1.159,0.6 63,0.335,0.466,0.484,0.326,0.156,0.096
Slovakian,31.249,37.837,12.506,6.228,7.285,1.154,1 .01,0.466,0.557,0.66,0.556,0.168,0.318
Greek,17.685,15.644,21.528,13.436,26.398,3.633,0.2 59,0.291,0.25,0.323,0.357,0.061,0.125
Croatian,26.584,31.742,16.303,7.852,13.065,1.641,0 .78,0.247,0.657,0.441,0.418,0.147,0.118
Scottish,52.826,22.921,12.332,5.87,2.144,0.872,1.1 94,0.086,0.418,0.701,0.207,0.257,0.165
Irish,52.833,22.767,12.325,6.616,1.857,0.578,1.062 ,0.175,0.254,0.87,0.5,0.049,0.106
Hungarian,30.533,34.834,13.216,5.147,11.623,0.895, 0.868,0.523,0.77,0.664,0.394,0.263,0.263
Bulgarian,21.495,22.652,19.231,12.314,19.137,2.267 ,0.658,0.172,0.73,0.432,0.702,0.074,0.134
Romanian,24.835,24.865,18.245,9.897,17.78,1.138,0. 601,0.719,0.698,0.576,0.455,0.042,0.145
Ukrainian,26.186,45.677,10.455,6.428,6.071,1.162,0 .637,0.157,1.206,1.03,0.562,0.176,0.24
Polish,30.081,44.265,10.871,6.084,4.654,0.72,0.764 ,0.174,0.637,0.614,0.445,0.347,0.338
Basque1,56.213,0.038,41.814,0.003,0.003,0.374,0.59 8,0.099,0.138,0.2,0.334,0.154,0.022
Basque2,50.699,7.098,36.482,0.064,2.717,1.296,0.34 2,0.335,0.183,0.269,0.392,0.089,0.027

[vbnetkhio]

This one is still testing, but I hope you could try it. I have now stripped off outliers and most calculator effects, yet to do fine tuning and searching lacking populations, like Serbs.


Why don't you use the averages from Vahaduo?
http://vahaduo.genetics.ovh/k13-vahaduo.htm

[Lemminkäinen]

Why don't you use the averages from Vahaduo?
http://vahaduo.genetics.ovh/k13-vahaduo.htm

Because I want to make my own. Next question :)

[Chris596]

This is really nice I must say. Usually the closest population to me are Serbs/Moldavians, but because there's no Serbian sample as you mentioned, I get modeled mainly as Romanian+Russian here, which also makes sense.

Distance: 2.2359% / 2.23589600
Target: Chris
62.9 Romanian
22.0 Russian
10.1 Greek
3.8 Russian_Kostroma
1.2 Swedish

Distance: 2.4825% / 2.48247726
Target: Chris | ADC: 0.25x
72.1 Romanian
16.4 Russian
10.1 Croatian
1.4 Russian_Kostroma

Distance to: Chris

4.80420597 Croatian
6.72823632 Romanian
9.43696858 Slovenian
10.14483253 Hungarian
10.41637711 Bulgarian
13.93376403 Slovakian
18.96090931 Albanian
19.32785899 Ukrainian
19.56929161 Polish
20.15083591 German1
20.23107429 German2
21.13326667 Greek
22.36252293 Russian
23.26748356 Belarusian
25.05720216 Russian_Kostroma
26.11429551 Swedish
27.30897768 Italian_North
28.27225286 English
28.67322968 Finnish
29.26365937 Estonian
29.58225144 Spain
30.45036658 Russian_Mezen
32.12420967 Italian_South
32.24835253 Scottish
32.31013268 Irish

[Lemminkäinen]

My result using my own source

Distance: 1.9300% / 1.92999081
Target: Mm | ADC: 0.25x RC
56.5 Finnish
17.4 Estonian
13.8 Swedish
12.3 Belarusian


Using Vahaduo

Distance: 0.8257% / 0.82569011
Target: Mm | ADC: 0.25x RC
64.1 Estonian
32.8 North-Swedish
1.7 Polish
1.4 Dai

It is very likely that differences exist in all results. The question is which one is better :)

[vbnetkhio]

Because I want to make my own. Next question :)

well you can find hundreds of results in these threads:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?313828-Serbian-Autosomal-DNA&highlight=nik%9Ai%26%23263%3B
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?299002-South-Slavic-amp-neighbours-Eurogenes-results
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?320262-South-Slavic-amp-neighbours-gedmatch-results-vol-2

[MandM]

Target: Milenko
Distance: 305.0031% / 3.05003149 | ADC: 0.25x RC
65.4 Bulgarian
26.4 Croatian
8.2 Russian_North


Distance to: Milenko
6.89753463 Romanian
7.75770939 Croatian
8.23654612 Bulgarian
12.99634779 Slovenian
14.31098064 Hungarian
16.31258048 Albanian
17.60338263 Slovakian
18.52962655 Greek
21.92716245 Ukrainian
22.71059035 Polish
22.96638039 German1
24.51836632 German2
25.08620083 Russian
25.81594085 Italian_North
25.91406242 Belarusian
28.03655792 Russian_Kostroma
29.51691888 Spain
29.87430245 Italian_South
30.52935325 Swedish
32.14485405 English
32.39601550 Estonian
32.71423849 Finnish
33.05741105 Russian_Mezen
35.87204929 Latvian
36.05498802 Scottish

[JamesBond007]

My result using my own source

Distance: 1.9300% / 1.92999081
Target: Mm | ADC: 0.25x RC
56.5 Finnish
17.4 Estonian
13.8 Swedish
12.3 Belarusian


Using Vahaduo

Distance: 0.8257% / 0.82569011
Target: Mm | ADC: 0.25x RC
64.1 Estonian
32.8 North-Swedish
1.7 Polish
1.4 Dai

It is very likely that differences exist in all results. The question is which one is better :)

They both suck but there is no way yours is better.

yourdnaportal eurogenes k13 the updated new oracle is the best so far

[Lemminkäinen]

well you can find hundreds of results in these threads:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?313828-Serbian-Autosomal-DNA&highlight=nik%9Ai%26%23263%3B
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?299002-South-Slavic-amp-neighbours-Eurogenes-results
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?320262-South-Slavic-amp-neighbours-gedmatch-results-vol-2

Thanks, I'll do it.

[Lemminkäinen]

They both suck but there is no way yours is better.

yourdnaportal eurogenes k13 the updated new oracle is the best so far

My result is spot on.

Yourdnaportal seems to be terrible in my case.

Estonian
50
Finnish
25
Norwegian
25

[Ion Basescul]

Thanks, I'll do it.

And here for Moldova and Romania
https://geneticaromd.github.io/adn/database.html

[Dušan]

Distance: 1.2422% / 1.24224071
Target: Dušan
40.6 Bulgarian
21.0 Russian_North
11.9 Albanian
11.6 Latvian
9.9 Basque1
5.0 Italian_North

[alexmegas777]

Distance to: alexmegas(Romanian)
8.38936613 Romanian
10.58907890 Bulgarian
12.78977072 Croatian
13.85392536 German1
14.86649037 Slovenian
15.61813055 Albanian
17.12092717 Hungarian
17.94107583 Italian_North
18.41178101 Spain
18.63377310 Greek
20.67848495 Slovakian
23.25653515 German2
24.01406009 English
26.17886457 Swedish
26.30575125 French_South
27.43210748 Scottish
27.46735506 Irish
27.47605843 Italian_South
27.59311352 Polish
28.71668492 Ukrainian
28.78346875 French_North
31.75455167 Russian
32.08936196 Belarusian
33.25238943 Basque2
34.20659381 Russian_Kostroma

Distance: 2.1853% / 2.18533355
Target: alexmegas(Romanian) | ADC: 0.25x RC
55.5 Bulgarian
29.9 German1
14.6 Spain

Distance: 1.6671% / 1.66707815
Target: alexmegas(Romanian)
58.8 Bulgarian
14.3 Irish
11.7 Basque1
8.4 Italian_South
4.3 Russian_Mezen
2.2 Finnish
0.3 Russian_North

[Gallop]

Distance: 3.3745% / 3.37450469
Target: Gallop
51.0 Basque1
22.3 Italian_South
15.4 German1
11.3 Russian_Mezen


Distance: 3.7530% / 3.75302344
Target: Gallop | ADC: 0.25x RC
41.4 Basque1
28.5 Bulgarian
17.0 Spain
13.1 German1



Vahaduo

Distance: 3.9225% / 3.92250994
Target: Gallop
64.2 French_Basque
13.7 East_Sicilian
13.1 Moldavian
3.9 Irish
3.1 Cyprian
2.0 East_Green

Distance: 4.4630% / 4.46301858
Target: Gallop | ADC: 0.25x RC
40.9 French_Basque
27.6 Spanish_Extremadura
16.0 Spanish_Andalucia
13.6 Moldavian
1.9 East_Greenlander

[Lemminkäinen]

Distance to: alexmegas(Romanian)
8.38936613 Romanian
10.58907890 Bulgarian
12.78977072 Croatian
13.85392536 German1
14.86649037 Slovenian
15.61813055 Albanian
17.12092717 Hungarian
17.94107583 Italian_North
18.41178101 Spain
18.63377310 Greek
20.67848495 Slovakian
23.25653515 German2
24.01406009 English
26.17886457 Swedish
26.30575125 French_South
27.43210748 Scottish
27.46735506 Irish
27.47605843 Italian_South
27.59311352 Polish
28.71668492 Ukrainian
28.78346875 French_North
31.75455167 Russian
32.08936196 Belarusian
33.25238943 Basque2
34.20659381 Russian_Kostroma

Distance: 2.1853% / 2.18533355
Target: alexmegas(Romanian) | ADC: 0.25x RC
55.5 Bulgarian
29.9 German1
14.6 Spain

Distance: 1.6671% / 1.66707815
Target: alexmegas(Romanian)
58.8 Bulgarian
14.3 Irish
11.7 Basque1
8.4 Italian_South
4.3 Russian_Mezen
2.2 Finnish
0.3 Russian_North

Can you post your basic result. I could see the difference between reference individuals and you. I'll post then differences. I recall that the Romanian variation was big.
There was even one gypsy, which I removed. If I have to, I'll split Romanians.

[Blemoir]

Distance: 6.2577% / 6.25770097
Target: blemoir
49.6 Spain
46.5 Italian_South
3.9 Russian_Mezen

Distance to: blemoir
9.03324648 Italian_North
14.42232582 Albanian
16.35271782 Greek
17.26296325 Spain
18.08012810 Bulgarian
18.89949534 Romanian
19.21054885 Italian_South
25.23099657 German1
25.94182636 Croatian
26.92561399 French_South
28.91278672 Slovenian
30.09251846 Hungarian
33.59441119 Basque2
33.93018070 English
34.02929874 French_North
34.50513237 Slovakian
36.74282933 German2
37.04459719 Scottish
37.20968414 Irish
38.70790552 Swedish
41.38320135 Polish
42.09433659 Ukrainian
42.19164548 Basque1
45.29831357 Russian
45.42790784 Belarusian

[oszkar07]

FTDNA raw data
Target: Oszkar
Distance: 251.0231% / 2.51023066 | ADC: 0.25x RC
52.4 Hungarian
37.8 English
9.8 German2


Target: Oszkar
Distance: 141.4084% / 1.41408429
29.4 Hungarian
29.2 Finnish
29.0 French_North
8.8 Italian_South
3.0 Latvian
0.6 Russian_North

[dududud]

My father (Northern France):

Distance: 1.6437% / 1.64372846
Target: Father
79.4 French_North
12.1 Romanian
5.6 Basque1
2.8 Irish
0.1 Swedish


Distance: 1.7474% / 1.74743126
Target: Father | ADC: 0.25x RC
75.6 French_North
14.8 German1
5.1 French_South
4.5 Italian_North

Distance: 1.8755% / 1.87546613
Target: Father | ADC: 0.5x RC
74.6 French_North
14.7 German1
10.7 Spain



Friend 1 (half venetian, half tarnois -non basque area of SouthWestern France):

Distance: 0.8094% / 0.80943979
Target: Friend
57.8 Italian_North
15.1 French_North
14.1 English
6.6 Basque1
6.2 Slovenian
0.2 Swedish

Distance: 1.4781% / 1.47813236
Target: Friend | ADC: 0.25x RC
50.4 Italian_North
19.9 French_North
17.4 German1
12.3 Spain

Distance: 2.7182% / 2.71821809
Target: Friend | ADC: 0.5x RC
36.0 Spain
35.6 Italian_North
28.4 German1

The brother of the same friend's (1) Venetian paternal grandmother

Distance: 1.2401% / 1.24011553
Target: grandmothersbrother
59.3 Italian_North
26.6 Hungarian
7.5 French_South
5.4 Latvian
1.2 Spain

Distance: 1.4139% / 1.41388408
Target: grandmothersbrother | ADC: 0.25x RC
52.3 Italian_North
35.5 Hungarian
12.2 Spain

Distance: 2.8725% / 2.87252219
Target: grandmothersbrother | ADC: 0.5x RC
50.2 Romanian
32.9 Spain
16.9 Italian_North




Other friend (from Berry, central france):

Distance: 1.3693% / 1.36929108
Target: Berry
32.3 Basque2
18.2 Slovenian
14.2 Latvian
13.1 Spain
13.0 French_North
9.1 Albanian
0.1 Swedish

Distance: 1.9805% / 1.98048543
Target: Berry | ADC: 0.25x RC
47.3 French_South
41.6 Slovenian
11.1 German1

Distance: 5.3337% / 5.33365916
Target: Berry | ADC: 1x RC
68.7 German1
31.3 Spain


Breton friend (from Western Bretagne):
Distance: 4.2134% / 4.21336369
Target: WesternBreton
76.7 Irish
14.1 Basque1
7.9 Bulgarian
1.0 German1
0.3 Italian_South

Distance: 4.2435% / 4.24346118
Target: WesternBreton | ADC: 0.25x RC
64.1 Irish
23.0 German1
12.9 Basque1

Distance: 4.4710% / 4.47097271
Target: WesternBreton | ADC: 0.5x RC
66.7 Irish
16.7 Basque2
16.6 German1

Distance: 4.7744% / 4.77444047
Target: WesternBreton | ADC: 1x RC
70.3 Irish
20.1 French_South
9.6 German1




My mother:

Distance: 4.9333% / 4.93333480
Target: Mother
72.4 Italian_North
18.9 Basque1
8.7 Russian_North

Distance: 5.1387% / 5.13873704
Target: Mother | ADC: 0.25x RC
71.2 Italian_North
22.1 Basque2
6.7 Russian_North

Distance: 6.5054% / 6.50535294
Target: Mother | ADC: 0.5x RC
66.0 Italian_North
23.1 French_South
10.9 Croatian

Distance: 7.6155% / 7.61546260
Target: Mother | ADC: 1x RC
65.0 Italian_North
35.0 Spain



Me:
Distance: 1.3308% / 1.33075902
Target: Dududud
34.1 Romanian
22.9 Basque2
15.9 Basque1
12.5 Italian_North
7.8 French_North
4.9 Albanian
1.9 Swedish

Distance: 1.7898% / 1.78978052
Target: Dududud | ADC: 0.25x RC
57.5 French_South
13.3 Bulgarian
11.5 Romanian
10.9 Italian_North
6.8 German1

Distance: 3.9018% / 3.90180159
Target: Dududud | ADC: 0.5x RC
76.8 Spain
13.1 German1
10.1 Romanian

[J. Ketch]

Your English/Scottish/Irish averages aren't bad this time, less accurate than those I've cultivated on Vahaduo updated IMO, but not too bad. :thumb001:


Distance to: Creoda
2.64832796 Scottish
3.13228894 Irish
5.27038917 English
11.78238813 Swedish
12.05165852 French_North
15.42607299 German1
19.09599348 German2
26.46027959 Slovenian
26.89258188 Slovakian
26.94304788 French_South
27.28668516 Hungarian
27.70356656 Spain
28.49734198 Finnish
30.82565190 Croatian
31.13216701 Basque2
31.16308929 Polish
33.99488997 Romanian
35.24026210 Ukrainian
35.41294270 Belarusian
35.53017985 Estonian
36.61013373 Russian
37.65568828 Russian_Kostroma
38.15444656 Bulgarian
39.49402446 Basque1
39.88373255 Italian_North


Yours

English,49.677,24.412,13.07,4.5,4.9,0.336,0.863,0. 148,0.299,0.731,0.496,0.311,0.349
Irish,52.833,22.767,12.325,6.616,1.857,0.578,1.062 ,0.175,0.254,0.87,0.5,0.049,0.106
Scottish,52.826,22.921,12.332,5.87,2.144,0.872,1.1 94,0.086,0.418,0.701,0.207,0.257,0.165


Mine

English,49.92,23.49,13.55,5.65,3.78,0.70,1.08,0.14 ,0.26,0.55,0.41,0.22,0.19
Irish,52.54,23.16,12.46,6.75,1.37,0.52,1.32,0.16,0 .21,0.85,0.30,0.16,0.13
Scottish,51.86,23.30,12.23,6.77,2.51,0.58,1.21,0.2 1,0.29,0.60,0.24,0.11,0.03

[Leto]

Are they all uploaded as individual Gedmatch kits?

[Lemminkäinen]

Are they all uploaded as individual Gedmatch kits?

No, all samples are from academic sources and genome data banks. Researchers confirm ancestral data and all genomes are gathered from Europe.

[Leto]

No, all samples are from academic sources and genome data banks. Researchers confirm ancestral data and all genomes are gathered from Europe.
Can you run them or at least some of them through Dodecad K12b? Some of the averages would be useful to me.

[J. Ketch]

No, all samples are from academic sources and genome data banks. Researchers confirm ancestral data and all genomes are gathered from Europe.
How many do you have for each?

[vbnetkhio]

No, all samples are from academic sources and genome data banks. Researchers confirm ancestral data and all genomes are gathered from Europe.

could i know from which sources exactly are the samples? i'm specifically interested in East/central europe and the Balkans.
i can share with you some additional academic samples you don't have, like Serbian for example.

[gixajo]

Better than the last one, congratulations.

The proportion of Basque components in my parents and me, don´t show actually what they should show. But I understand that Basque and Iberian/Spanish are quite difficult to discriminate accurately.

Good work.:thumb001:


Target: gixajo
Distance: 327.8243% / 3.27824282
51.2 Spain
21.4 Basque1
15.6 Basque2
7.6 Russian_North
4.2 Italian_South

Target: gixajo_dad
Distance: 443.3282% / 4.43328239
51.4 Spain
17.0 Basque1
14.0 Italian_South
12.2 Basque2
5.4 Russian_North

Target: gixajo_mom
Distance: 209.2265% / 2.09226492
56.8 French_South
28.0 Spain
10.2 Basque2
4.6 Estonian
0.4 French_North

Removing the SouthFrench reference:

Target: gixajo
Distance: 328.1689% / 3.28168895
49.2 Spain
20.4 Basque2
18.4 Basque1
7.4 Russian_North
4.6 Italian_South

Target: gixajo_dad
Distance: 443.3569% / 4.43356870
46.4 Spain
19.2 Basque2
15.2 Italian_South
13.8 Basque1
5.4 Russian_North

Target: gixajo_mom
Distance: 220.3457% / 2.20345700
48.0 Spain
43.2 Basque2
5.8 Estonian
3.0 French_North

[Lemminkäinen]

Distance to: alexmegas(Romanian)
8.38936613 Romanian
10.58907890 Bulgarian
12.78977072 Croatian
13.85392536 German1
14.86649037 Slovenian
15.61813055 Albanian
17.12092717 Hungarian
17.94107583 Italian_North
18.41178101 Spain
18.63377310 Greek
20.67848495 Slovakian
23.25653515 German2
24.01406009 English
26.17886457 Swedish
26.30575125 French_South
27.43210748 Scottish
27.46735506 Irish
27.47605843 Italian_South
27.59311352 Polish
28.71668492 Ukrainian
28.78346875 French_North
31.75455167 Russian
32.08936196 Belarusian
33.25238943 Basque2
34.20659381 Russian_Kostroma

Distance: 2.1853% / 2.18533355
Target: alexmegas(Romanian) | ADC: 0.25x RC
55.5 Bulgarian
29.9 German1
14.6 Spain

Distance: 1.6671% / 1.66707815
Target: alexmegas(Romanian)
58.8 Bulgarian
14.3 Irish
11.7 Basque1
8.4 Italian_South
4.3 Russian_Mezen
2.2 Finnish
0.3 Russian_North

Your North Atlantic is higher than on any of my 24 academic Romanian samples and your East med is lower. Is it possible that you have Slavic or German ancestry?

[Lemminkäinen]

could i know from which sources exactly are the samples? i'm specifically interested in East/central europe and the Balkans.
i can share with you some additional academic samples you don't have, like Serbian for example.

Wait a moment. I'll send PM.

[mitalit]

Distance: 1.4493% / 1.44932388
Target: Spaniard2.0
29.9 French_North
28.1 Spain
15.7 Italian_South
10.0 Basque1
9.0 Italian_North
7.3 Russian_Mezen

[RyoHazuki]

Target: RyoHazuki(English+French)
Distance: 221.5182% / 2.21518207
53.0 French_North
34.8 Scottish
8.8 Finnish
3.4 Italian_South

Target: RyoHazuki(English+French)
Distance: 234.3316% / 2.34331610 | ADC: 0.25x RC
35.0 French_North
34.2 Scottish
27.8 English
3.0 Italian_South

Target: RyoHazuki(English+French)
Distance: 256.4922% / 2.56492168 | ADC: 0.5x RC
50.0 English
40.0 French_North
10.0 Scottish