R-Z280 haplogroup

[Abriekman]

Hello, could you please tell me in which regions in Eastern Europe is R-Z280 subclade of paternal haplogroup R1a the most common?

[gixajo]

Hello, could you please tell me in which regions in Eastern Europe is R-Z280 paternal haplogroup the most common?

Z280 (Z91) is usually considered a Balto-Slavic branch of the Z282, excepting 3 subclades that are sometimes considered "West/Central-European", but quite rares and with few individuals, so there are some doubt about their origin. One of these 3 "rares" subclades is my R1a-Z282>Z280(Z91)>YP5000.

The other 2 subclades considered "West/central-European are S24902 and YP6213.

Edit:I wrote Est/Central when I wanted to write West/central.

[Abriekman]

Z280 (Z91) is usually considered a Balto-Slavic branch of the Z282, excepting 3 subclades that are sometimes considered "West/Central-European", but quite rares and with few individuals, so there are some doubt about their origin. One of these 3 "rares" subclades is my R1a-Z282>Z280(Z91)>YP5000.

The other 2 subclades considered "Est/central-European are S24902 and YP6213.

Is R-CTS1211 of Slavic origin? Do you know in which regions of Eastern Europe it is very common?

[gixajo]

Is R-CTS1211 of Slavic origin? Do you know in which regions of Eastern Europe it is very common?

You can check it in this "heat" map:

https://phylogeographer.com/scripts/heatmap.php

or see it in the Yfull tree:

https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-CTS1211/

[gixajo]

So I would say we could call CTS1211 Balto-Slavic perfectly too.

[Jana]

So I would say we could call CTS1211 Balto-Slavic perfectly too.

Actually more like Slavic. Z280 is Balto-Slavic except subclades you mentioned, CTS1211 is more exclusively Slavic marker.

[Abriekman]

You can check it in this "heat" map:

https://phylogeographer.com/scripts/heatmap.php

or see it in the Yfull tree:

https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-CTS1211/

It says it is very common in central Poland and central Russia, thanks

[Abriekman]

You can check it in this "heat" map:

https://phylogeographer.com/scripts/heatmap.php

or see it in the Yfull tree:

https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-CTS1211/

It is possible R-CTS1211 in Ukraine is somehow related to Polish settlements there, here is a bit red in Vinnytsia region, while very very low frequency in other territories of this country

https://i.imgur.com/grEaogl.jpg

[ZzeroKrieg]

It is possible R-CTS1211 in Ukraine is somehow related to Polish settlements there, here is a bit red in Vinnytsia region, while very very low frequency in other territories of this country

I think I found the homeland of Proto-Nordids.

https://i.imgur.com/CBcP2U0.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/9c1Cs7M.jpg

[gixajo]

It says it is very common in central Poland and central Russia, thanks


Actually more like Slavic. Z280 is Balto-Slavic except subclades you mentioned, CTS1211 is more exclusively Slavic marker.

Stearsolina is right, Slavic , the samples from Baltic countries only appear in the first branches and mixed with Finnish samples, I did not look until the end and I thought that the proportion would be the same in the following ones.

I didn't even look at the heatmap, I just put the link for him to look at it himself.


Since I was wrong and I don't like to admit it, I will say that I was in a hurry because the food was hot on the table and they were waiting for me for lunch.

Sounds convincing?

[gixajo]

It is possible R-CTS1211 in Ukraine is somehow related to Polish settlements there, here is a bit red in Vinnytsia region, while very very low frequency in other territories of this country

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Sorry, i cannot help you, I don´t know many about those areas history.

[Rethel]

CTS1211 is more exclusively Slavic marker.

Maybe now. It is not so in antiquity, where it appears to be
clearly blatic with at least one iranian example in Panonnia.
Ergo, the term balto-slavic is better also in this case.

[Jana]

Maybe now. It is not so in antiquity, where it appears to be
clearly blatic with at least one iranian example in Panonnia.
Ergo, the term balto-slavic is better also in this case.

What?

[Benyzero]

What?

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/RareCoarseGosling-size_restricted.gif

[Rethel]

What?

All ancient archeological CTS1211 are from baltic states and one scythian from Panonia.
Rest of Z280 is almost paneuropean, from Germany to Ural (where is also iranian btw)

[Jana]

All ancient archeological CTS1211 are from baltic states and one scythian from Panonia.
Rest of Z280 is almost paneuropean, from Germany to Ural (where is also iranian btw)

Very interesting, thanks for sharing!

[Rethel]

Very interesting, thanks for sharing!

Look at my thread here: https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?334808-My-last-update-on-archeological-Z280

[Ülev]

R1a - Ra - Radom - dom Ra (the house of Ra)

R1a is Egyptian haplo from RADOM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ra
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radom