My DNA Results

[Rafael Passoni]

I did MyHeritage DNA test. I want to share my results here.

I don't score east asia despite my Syrian great-grandfather. I think my great-grandmother had an extramarital relationship and it can explain it.

Now I'd like to know my Y-Haplogroup.

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[dududud]

You don't have non-european, right? According your Myheritage results, you don't have syrian blood

[Adamm]

Upload your raw DNA to this website in order to know your y-DNA:

https://cladefinder.yseq.net/

Make a screenshot of the results and past it here.

[Rafael Passoni]

Thank you very much, Adamm. I'll do it now. Then I'll share with you. Just a second.

[dududud]

Thank you very much, Adamm. I'll do it now. Then I'll share with you. Just a second.

Good choice :thumb001:

[Leto]

Hi!


I don't score east asia despite my Syrian great-grandfather. I think my great-grandmother had an extramarital relationship and it can explain it.

The Syrians are Middle Eastern, they're not East Asian. But it's a bit strange that you don't get any West Asian or Middle Eastern. Maybe it got lost in the recombination.
I would recommend you focus on Gedmatch. It's a free website.

[gixajo]

Thank you very much, Adamm. I'll do it now. Then I'll share with you. Just a second.

You can try also Morley´s predictor for Ydna:

https://ytree.morleydna.com/

If you great-grandfather input in you should be a 12.5% it´s strange do not score anything in Middle East, maybe a 6.25% could be "absorbed" by SouthItalian and Greek component, but 12.5% is quite strange, but Syrians could have also different admixtures so I would not I would not rule out that option yet until I see Gedmatch results.

[gixajo]

Has he already shared his Ydna in any other thread?

I am curious about it.

[Rafael Passoni]

Adamm, I shared my cladefinder results in other post, but I don't understand nothing about it. They showed only a map and an amount of numbers and letters (maybe a code), I don't understood nothing about it. Can you help me?
https://www.myheritage.com/dna/ethnicity/intro/E8Q7ASBDEH934GI4912MQEAH6L0MIJABD9ALIUJ6895LIOQ9C5 0KOPBP8LCKQIPID5Q66Q9MEH36UM2AATGMOQ9M94SN8QB3APQL IU2I9H9L4GJN8TP56JQA9P6KMGIGF5578GR284UJQ

[Leto]

I see, but have you tried to get your y-DNA? If possible also try to get your G25 coordinates, that will help. I don't think you have any Syrian in you based upon your MyHeritage results.
You are ignoring Gedmatch. Just because you don't like what it gives to North Africans doesn't mean it doesn't work for most whites.

[AdrianV]

Congrats! Tell Jeff Bezos I said hello.

[Adamm]

You are ignoring Gedmatch. Just because you don't like what it gives to North Africans doesn't mean it doesn't work for most whites.

Just because you don't like what it gives to North Africans

Where is this coming from? What do you mean by this?

I actually totally forget about GEDmatch as I rarely use it, you cannot edit the models and with G25 you can and edit models until it gives reasonable fits. GEDmatch only gives access to fixed models, sure its fun and all but I'd prefet G25.

[Leto]

Just because you don't like what it gives to North Africans

Where is this coming from? What do you mean by this?

I actually totally forget about GEDmatch as I rarely use it, you cannot edit the models and with G25 you can and edit models until it gives reasonable fits. GEDmatch only gives access to fixed models, sure its fun and all but I'd prefet G25.
You and Nassbean discarded Gedmatch because it says Maghrebis are 20% black and not "Ibero-Maurusian".

[Leto]

There are lots of updated oracles on Vahaduo.

[Adamm]

You and Nassbean discarded Gedmatch because it says Maghrebis are 20% black and not "Ibero-Maurusian".

Where did I said that (I dont care about Nassbeans opinion).

[Leto]

Where did I said that (I dont care about Nassbeans opinion).
Okay, maybe it was just him. Anyway let's not continue this bullshit, the topic is Rafael Passoni's DNA results. I think first he should try Ged and then maybe go on to G25 in case he's interested in ancient DNA models.

[Jased]

You and Nassbean discarded Gedmatch because it says Maghrebis are 20% black and not "Ibero-Maurusian".

I don't think gedmatch Is accurate at all Its been outdated for almost 10 years seriously ..... mean while 23andme and ftdna and others update their algorithms very frequently gedmatch stays very behind I also don't think they have proper amerindian samples either rather they gave you a bunch of south East Asian and lumping It as amerindian also loves overtimating black admixture.

[Leto]

I also don't think they have proper amerindian samples either rather they gave you a bunch of south East Asian and lumping It as amerindian
Most calculators have an Amerindian component, so that's not true. Dodecad K12b doesn't though.

[Jased]

Most calculators have an Amerindian component, so that's not true. Dodecad K12b doesn't though.

Gedmatch Is not really that good trust me , when I got the new update with ftfna my origins my amerindian went down specially since they added new amerindian samples for Mexico such as North Mexico , Central and South, and Yucatan pennsinula.


https://learn.familytreedna.com/family-finder-autosomal-testing/myorigins-family-finder-autosomal-testing/myorigins-population-clusters/

Also all the damn east asian gedmatch gave me turn out to be a noise and with the new raw data and g25 coordinates got a bit different results.


My personal thoughts ftdna Is now more accurate then Latinos then ever before since they have proper amerindian samples from almost every Latin American countries very rare to get unassigned percentages now.

[Leto]

Gedmatch Is not really that good trust me , when I got the new update with ftfna my origins my amerindian went down specially since they added new amerindian samples for Mexico such as North Mexico , Central and South, and Yucatan pennsinula.


https://learn.familytreedna.com/family-finder-autosomal-testing/myorigins-family-finder-autosomal-testing/myorigins-population-clusters/

Also all the damn east asian gedmatch gave me turn out to be a noise and with the new raw data and g25 coordinates got a bit different results.


My personal thoughts ftdna Is now more accurate then Latinos then ever before since they have proper amerindian samples from almost every Latin American countries very rare to get unassigned percentages now.
Trust me? Who are you, an expert? Lol. I've been in this for over 4 years, what are you talking about. And I don't care what mixed Latinos get, I think I said in an earlier post - NOT BAD FOR WHITES. So please stop and don't ruin another person's thread, he hasn't even gotten around to it yet.

[Leto]

Gedmatch Is not really that good trust me , when I got the new update with ftfna my origins my amerindian went down specially since they added new amerindian samples for Mexico such as North Mexico , Central and South, and Yucatan pennsinula.


https://learn.familytreedna.com/family-finder-autosomal-testing/myorigins-family-finder-autosomal-testing/myorigins-population-clusters/

Also all the damn east asian gedmatch gave me turn out to be a noise and with the new raw data and g25 coordinates got a bit different results.


My personal thoughts ftdna Is now more accurate then Latinos then ever before since they have proper amerindian samples from almost every Latin American countries very rare to get unassigned percentages now.
Trust me? Who are you, an expert? Lol. I've been in this for over 4 years, what are you talking about. And I don't care what mixed Latinos get, I think I said in an earlier post - NOT BAD FOR WHITES. So please stop and don't ruin another person's thread, he hasn't even gotten around to it yet.

[Slavic Italian]

Gedmatch works well for me esp in the 4 admix oracles. Single populations are just a mid point in my case.

[Slavic Italian]

How I know these are legit? Because many of the locations are where I have matches from in FTDNA Y-111.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 German-Volga_ @ 5.100188
2 South_German_ @ 8.289942
3 Dutch_ @ 9.224029
4 Irish_ @ 9.472190
5 Italian_North_ @ 9.625096
6 English_ @ 9.699019
7 Belgian_ @ 9.704138
8 Frisian_ @ 10.088590
9 German_East_ @ 10.444915
10 Serb_Serbia_ @ 10.783121
11 Austrian_ @ 10.886309
12 North_European_ @ 11.119965
13 English_Cornwall_GBR_ @ 11.765192
14 English_Kent_GBR_ @ 11.800957
15 Montenegrian_ @ 11.855736
16 CEU_ @ 12.218857
17 Welsh_ @ 12.288899
18 Bulgarian_ @ 12.498728
19 North_German_ @ 12.623631
20 British_ @ 13.025842

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Romanian_ +50% Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR_ @ 3.847284


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Irish_ +25% Maltese_ +25% Moksha_ @ 3.044620


Using 4 populations approximation:

1 Balt_ + Orcadian_ + Spanish_Castilla_y_Leon_IBS_ + Turk_Istanbul_ @ 2.789877
2 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain_ + Portugese_ + Russian_Meshtchyora_ + Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR_ @ 2.793312
3 Balt_ + Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR_ + Spanish_Castilla_y_Leon_IBS_ + Turk_Istanbul_ @ 2.807223
4 Icelandic_ + Russian-North-West_ + Spanish_Castilla_y_Leon_IBS_ + Turk_Istanbul_ @ 2.858354
5 Finn_West_ + Icelandic_ + Portugese_ + Turk_Istanbul_ @ 2.871841
6 Finn_West_ + Norwegian_East_ + Portugese_ + Turk_Istanbul_ @ 2.872842
7 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain_ + Orcadian_ + Portugese_ + Russian_Meshtchyora_ @ 2.878872
8 Balt_ + Orcadian_ + Spanish_Extremadura_IBS_ + Turk_Istanbul_ @ 2.899868
9 French_Jew_ + Irish_ + Moksha_ + Orcadian_ @ 2.916558
10 Finn_West_ + French_Jew_ + Irish_ + Irish_ @ 2.918056
11 Orcadian_ + Portugese_ + Russian-North-West_ + Turk_Istanbul_ @ 2.927476
12 Balt_ + Orcadian_ + Spanish_Murcia_IBS_ + Turk_Istanbul_ @ 2.929695
13 Russian-North-West_ + Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR_ + Spanish_Castilla_y_Leon_IBS_ + Turk_Istanbul_ @ 2.931173
14 Finn_West_ + Norwegian_West_ + Portugese_ + Turk_Istanbul_ @ 2.933754
15 French_Jew_ + Irish_ + Moksha_ + Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR_ @ 2.950404
16 Icelandic_ + Russian-West_ + Spanish_Castilla_y_Leon_IBS_ + Turk_Istanbul_ @ 2.950619
17 Orcadian_ + Russian-North-West_ + Spanish_Castilla_y_Leon_IBS_ + Turk_Istanbul_ @ 2.952278
18 Azov_Greek_ + Finn_West_ + Icelandic_ + Portugese_ @ 2.956418
19 Icelandic_ + Russian_Meshtchyora_ + Spanish_Castilla_y_Leon_IBS_ + Turk_Istanbul_ @ 2.961548
20 Irish_ + Maltese_ + Moksha_ + Welsh_ @ 2.968418

[JamesBond007]

You are ignoring Gedmatch. Just because you don't like what it gives to North Africans doesn't mean it doesn't work for most whites.

If it works for most 'whites' why are the calculators inconsistent for me ? Maybe, you should recommend a particular GEDmatch calculator rather than just say 'GEDmatch'. I personally like Eurogenes K15 but I can never be sure it is correct since the other calculators, on GEDmatch, don't necessarily match its results.

[JamesBond007]

Gedmatch works well for me esp in the 4 admix oracles. Single populations are just a mid point in my case.

What do you mean 'GEDmatch' ? There is puntDNAL, Dodecad, Eurogenes etc... It seems to me Eurogenes K13 for most Europeans and perhaps K15 for NorthWest Europeans is the 'best'.

It seems to me that Eurogenes K15 is more 'legit'. G25 is only good for Ancient :

G25 Ancient :

Target: KevinG_scaled
Distance: 1.9624% / 0.01962356
42.8 England_IA (British celtic)
32.0 ISL_Viking_Age_Pre_Christian (Viking Norse Germanic +minor Gaelic)
25.2 SVK_Poprad_MA (Deutschendorf Germanic)

So, Orcadian is British celtic and Duetschendorf Germanic is close to East German :

Eurogenes K15 :

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Southwest_English @ 4.227181
2 Southeast_English @ 4.311457
3 North_Dutch @ 4.412205
4 Danish @ 4.772104
5 West_Scottish @ 4.967159
6 Irish @ 5.035373


....

Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++
1 East_German + Orcadian + Orcadian + Orcadian @ 2.379456
2 East_German + Orcadian + Orcadian + Southwest_English @ 2.608917
3 East_German + Orcadian + Orcadian + Southeast_English @ 2.750713
4 East_German + Orcadian + Orcadian + West_Scottish @ 2.770147
5 Norwegian + Orcadian + South_Dutch + Southwest_English @ 2.780758
6 North_Swedish + Orcadian + Southwest_English + Southwest_English @ 2.826059
7 East_German + Irish + Orcadian + Orcadian @ 2.872046
8 Orcadian + South_Dutch + Southwest_English + West_Norwegian @ 2.889784
9 Norwegian + Orcadian + Orcadian + South_Dutch @ 2.924936
10 North_Dutch + Orcadian + Orcadian + South_Dutch @ 2.948627
11 North_German + Orcadian + Southwest_English + Southwest_English @ 2.952860
12 Norwegian + Orcadian + Southwest_English + Southwest_English @ 2.954086
13 Norwegian + Orcadian + South_Dutch + Southeast_English @ 2.956412
14 North_German + Southwest_English + Southwest_English + West_Norwegian @ 2.956783
15 Orcadian + South_Dutch + Southwest_English + Swedish @ 2.995584
16 Irish + Norwegian + Orcadian + South_Dutch @ 2.999320
17 North_German + Norwegian + Southwest_English + Southwest_English @ 3.005166
18 North_German + Orcadian + Orcadian + South_Dutch @ 3.005891
19 Norwegian + Orcadian + South_Dutch + West_Scottish @ 3.010474
20 Norwegian + Southeast_English + Southwest_English + Southwest_English @ 3.010905


Too legit too legit to quite hey hey !

I think K13 is more popular because most Europeans are not NorthWesern so maybe K13 will work best for the OP all I know is K13 is trash for me it makes me 'Irish'

BTW, MTA (mytrueancestry confirmation) :

1. Southwest_English (4.229)
2. Southeast_English (4.317)
3. North_Dutch (4.418)
4. Danish (4.780)
5. West_Scottish (4.970)
6. Irish (5.036)
7. Orcadian (5.145)
8. North_German (6.157)

GEDmatch is too legit to legit to quite hey hey !

[Leto]

If it works for most 'whites' why are the calculators inconsistent for me ? Maybe, you should recommend a particular GEDmatch calculator rather than just say 'GEDmatch'. I personally like Eurogenes K15 but I can never be sure it is correct since the other calculators, on GEDmatch, don't necessarily match its results.
We don't know which one is going to be the best for Rafael Passoni. And of course you all need to keep Vahaduo in mind, not just the standard Gedmatch.

[French Rolland]

You know if your Syrian forefather was a true levantine ? Maybe he was from greek stock. (Or it was extra-marital like you theorised)

[Slavic Italian]

Vahaduo is just a method of incorporating G25 into Gedmatch. No thanks. G25 is a hot mess.

[dududud]

You know if your Syrian forefather was a true levantine ? Maybe he was from greek stock. (Or it was extra-marital like you theorised)

Y a aucun syrien qui est totalement grec.

S'il avait vraiment 12% de sang syrien, ça se verrait sur n'importe quel test ADN, même merdique comme Myheritage...

I wait the GEDMATCH results...

[Rafael Passoni]

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I'm beginner, I tried to use GEDMATCH and I chose "heritage" and then "Eurogenes", so I think now the Syrian scored?

[Leto]

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I'm beginner, I tried to use GEDMATCH and I chose "heritage" and then "Eurogenes", so I think now the Syrian scored?
Thanks for sharing it finally! Let me post all relevant results for you :)

[Leto]

Population
North_Atlantic 30.31 Pct
Baltic 9.34 Pct
West_Med 25.81 Pct
West_Asian 7.08 Pct
East_Med 22.58 Pct
Red_Sea 4.45 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian -
Oceanian 0.37 Pct
Northeast_African 0.07 Pct
Sub-Saharan -


Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 North_Italian 4.02
2 Tuscan 4.05
3 West_Sicilian 10.68
4 Spanish_Extremadura 10.98
5 Portuguese 11.47
6 Spanish_Andalucia 11.66
7 Italian_Abruzzo 11.78
8 Spanish_Murcia 12.01
9 Spanish_Valencia 12.51
10 Spanish_Galicia 12.83
11 Greek_Thessaly 13.39
12 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 13.44
13 Spanish_Cataluna 13.59
14 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 13.7
15 Central_Greek 15.39
16 East_Sicilian 15.48
17 Spanish_Cantabria 15.84
18 Spanish_Aragon 16.17
19 South_Italian 16.32
20 Romanian 17.4

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 80.6% Tuscan + 19.4% Spanish_Aragon @ 1.17
2 87.9% Tuscan + 12.1% French_Basque @ 1.2
3 75.2% Tuscan + 24.8% Spanish_Andalucia @ 1.37
4 78.2% Tuscan + 21.8% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 1.41
5 76.9% Tuscan + 23.1% Spanish_Valencia @ 1.58
6 80.9% Tuscan + 19.1% Spanish_Cantabria @ 1.61
7 74.5% Tuscan + 25.5% Spanish_Extremadura @ 1.63
8 76.3% Tuscan + 23.7% Spanish_Murcia @ 1.68
9 82.8% Tuscan + 17.2% Southwest_French @ 1.77
10 54.1% Southwest_French + 45.9% Sephardic_Jewish @ 1.82
11 70.9% Spanish_Valencia + 29.1% Cyprian @ 1.83
12 78.7% Tuscan + 21.3% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 1.84
13 53.8% Southwest_French + 46.2% Italian_Jewish @ 1.84
14 51.1% East_Sicilian + 48.9% Spanish_Aragon @ 1.93
15 68.2% Southwest_French + 31.8% Lebanese_Christian @ 1.95
16 60.4% West_Sicilian + 39.6% Spanish_Aragon @ 1.95
17 60.7% Ashkenazi + 39.3% French_Basque @ 1.98
18 85.6% North_Italian + 14.4% Sephardic_Jewish @ 1.98
19 54.1% West_Sicilian + 45.9% Spanish_Valencia @ 1.99
20 85.4% North_Italian + 14.6% Italian_Jewish @ 1.99


Population
North_Sea 16.87 Pct
Atlantic 22.58 Pct
Baltic 6.5 Pct
Eastern_Euro -
West_Med 21.65 Pct
West_Asian 9.56 Pct
East_Med 17.91 Pct
Red_Sea 4.81 Pct
South_Asian -
Southeast_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian -
Oceanian 0.12 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 North_Italian 4.62
2 Tuscan 4.93
3 Spanish_Extremadura 10.71
4 Portuguese 11.1
5 Spanish_Murcia 11.22
6 Spanish_Andalucia 11.35
7 Italian_Abruzzo 11.48
8 West_Sicilian 11.5
9 Spanish_Galicia 11.97
10 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 12.06
11 Spanish_Cataluna 12.35
12 Spanish_Valencia 12.72
13 Greek_Thessaly 12.91
14 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 13.31
15 Greek 13.73
16 East_Sicilian 14.16
17 Central_Greek 14.47
18 Spanish_Cantabria 15.03
19 Spanish_Aragon 15.06
20 South_Italian 15.56

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 75.7% Tuscan + 24.3% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 3.23
2 80.1% Tuscan + 19.9% Spanish_Cantabria @ 3.31
3 80.3% Tuscan + 19.7% Spanish_Aragon @ 3.36
4 56.7% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + 43.3% South_Italian @ 3.36
5 74% Tuscan + 26% Spanish_Extremadura @ 3.4
6 53.2% North_Italian + 46.8% Tuscan @ 3.41
7 77% Tuscan + 23% Spanish_Cataluna @ 3.42
8 78.4% Tuscan + 21.6% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 3.42
9 74.9% Tuscan + 25.1% Portuguese @ 3.43
10 83.1% North_Italian + 16.9% South_Italian @ 3.43
11 75.2% Tuscan + 24.8% Spanish_Murcia @ 3.45
12 76.6% Tuscan + 23.4% Spanish_Galicia @ 3.47
13 87.8% Tuscan + 12.2% French_Basque @ 3.5
14 75.9% Tuscan + 24.1% Spanish_Andalucia @ 3.53
15 56.2% Spanish_Cataluna + 43.8% South_Italian @ 3.55
16 50.9% Spanish_Cantabria + 49.1% South_Italian @ 3.57
17 82.4% North_Italian + 17.6% East_Sicilian @ 3.58
18 78.3% Tuscan + 21.7% Spanish_Valencia @ 3.58
19 92.5% North_Italian + 7.5% Lebanese_Christian @ 3.59
20 82.6% Tuscan + 17.4% Southwest_French @ 3.59


Population
Amerindian -
Arabian 0.22 Pct
Armenian 4.43 Pct
Basque 2.69 Pct
Central_African -
Central_Euro 7.5 Pct
East_African -
East_Asian -
East_Balkan 4.72 Pct
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro -
East_Med 5.85 Pct
Eastern_Euro -
Fennoscandian 0.08 Pct
French -
Iberian 24.44 Pct
Indo-Chinese -
Italian 27.02 Pct
Malayan -
Near_Eastern 5.24 Pct
North_African -
North_Atlantic 4.29 Pct
North_Caucasian -
North_Sea 3.99 Pct
Northeast_African -
Oceanian -
Omotic -
Pygmy -
Siberian -
South_Asian -
South_Central_Asian -
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural -
West_African -
West_Caucasian 3.43 Pct
West_Med 6.08 Pct

[Leto]

This is Dodecad K12b from Vahaduo. As expected you come up as North Italian. How much North and South Italian are you?

Population
Gedrosia 4.59 Pct
Siberian -
Northwest_African 2.58 Pct
Southeast_Asian 0.05 Pct
Atlantic_Med 38.6 Pct
North_European 22.15 Pct
South_Asian -
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 7.97 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 24.07 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Distance to: Rafael
1.66725227 Italy_Liguria
2.49451819 Italy_Emilia
3.00472461 Italy_Tuscany
4.04600761 Italy_Lombardy
5.01308248 France_Corsica
5.19037668 Italy_Piedmont
5.51433586 Italy_Romagna
6.04498796 Italy_Veneto
7.93949699 Swiss_Italian
8.60862335 Italy_FriuliVG

Distance: 0.6253% / 0.62533259
Target: Rafael | ADC: 0.25x RC
79.6 Italy_Liguria
18.8 France_Corsica
1.6 Sardinian

[Rafael Passoni]

Thank you very much.
I liked it.
Number one is the closest? Am I part Syrian?

[Leto]

Thank you very much.
I liked it.
Number one is the closest? Am I part Syrian?
Yes, the first population is the closest.
I don't know about Syrian. You do score a substantial amount of both East Med and Red Sea but that could be by virtue of your South Italian and to a lesser extent Spanish ancestry. I need to run Vahaduo K13 for you.

[Rafael Passoni]

Two of my ancestors (Great grandparents) are from Bernareggio one from Calabria, one from Sicily, two from Catalonia and one half Scottish and half Andalusian and one is a unidentified person (maybe Syrian, bur my great-grandmother was a prostitute in a Italian cologne in Southern Brazil).
She is my grandmother (daughter of the unidentified) 104408

"Southwest_Asian 7.97 Pct" is it Gipsy/Roma? I think no, but Spaniards can have Roma admixture

[Peterski]

I don't score east asia despite my Syrian great-grandfather.

You mean West Asia.


I think my great-grandmother had an extramarital relationship and it can explain it.

Or they failed to detect it.

[Leto]

Distance to: Rafael
3.23331100 IT_Emilia_ovest
3.65520177 IT_Emilia_est
3.72603006 IT_Liguria
3.85334919 IT_Emilia
3.99923743 IT_Tuscan
4.77634798 FrenchCorsica
4.98003012 IT_Orobia
5.33069414 IT_Lombardy
6.06606133 IT_Insubria
6.31372315 IT_Romagna
6.47993827 Italian
6.64428326 IT_Umbria
7.38589873 IT_Lazio
7.55567998 IT_Piedmont
7.71029831 IT_Marche
8.20597953 IT_Veneto
9.54091715 FRA_Provence
10.34835736 IT_Friuli-VG
10.67187425 Swiss-Italian2
10.84294702 Swiss_Italian

Distance: 0.9089% / 0.90894501
Target: Rafael | ADC: 0.25x RC
51.9 IT_Emilia_est
19.3 FrenchCorsica
19.0 Spanish_Aragon
9.8 Moroccan_Jew

Distance: 1.5828% / 1.58278405
Target: Rafael | ADC: 0.5x RC
45.8 IT_Emilia_est
38.1 FrenchCorsica
16.1 Spanish_Murcia

Maybe we can interpret the Moroccan Jew (ca. 10%) as your alleged Syrian 6.25%? I can't say for sure.

[Leto]

Two of my ancestors (Great grandparents) are from Bernareggio one from Calabria, one from Sicily, two from Catalonia and one half Scottish and half Andalusian and one is a unidentified person (maybe Syrian, bur my great-grandmother was a prostitute in a Italian cologne in Southern Brazil).
She is my grandmother (daughter of the unidentified) 104408
So your main ancestry is Italian and Spanish. The Scottish and Syrian must have blended in with the rest if we assume they were real (never heard of Scots in Latin America).

[Rafael Passoni]

Very interesting. I'm very happy to knew it. Thank you very much, LETO. But I'm trying to understand it too. I think I'm closer to Italians than all other people.

[Leto]

Very interesting. I'm very happy to knew it. Thank you very much, LETO. But I'm trying to understand it too. I think I'm closer to italians than all other people.
You're welcome. Yep, you consistently come up as some kind of Italian as we can see. That's good to know if you actually live in Italy.

[Rafael Passoni]

This Scottish married my great-greatgrandmother in Spain, not in Latin America. His surname was Ross.

[Peterski]

Am I part Syrian?

I don't think so, you are 100% European based on GEDmatch reuslts.

You do look very Italian / Mediterranean / Southern European, no "wog" admixture, so it makes sense.

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Based on your Eurogenes results I estimate:

Italy - 67.2% (looks more Central & North Italian than South Italian; maybe your Scottish is causing this shift)
Spain - 28.2%
Corsica - 4.4%
Greece - 0.2%

I don't see this Moroccan Jew to be honest.

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As for prostitute, reminds me of this (but I'm sure we all have "bad" ancestors, if you dig deep enough):


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c65QRaR16io

[Leto]

I don't think so, you are 100% European based on GEDmatch reuslts.

You do look very Italian / Mediterranean / Southern European, no "wog" admixture, so it makes sense.

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Based on your Eurogenes results estimate:

Italy - 67.2% (looks more Central & North Italian than South Italian; maybe your minor Scottish is causing this shift)
Spain - 28.2%
Corsica - 4.4%
Greece - 0.2%

I don't see this Moroccan Jew to be honest.

Well, just for the sake of argument, someone who is half Scottish and half Syrian Christian (there were no Syrian Muslims in Brazil at that time) would end up plotting somewhere around Italy and Greece. So if someone is 7/8 Spanish & Italian and 1/8 Syro-Scottish that would simply be misread as Southern European.

[Peterski]

But I'm trying to understand it too. I think I'm closer to italians than all other people.

Yes you are close to Central and Northern Italians, and to Corsicans.

[Rafael Passoni]

I agree. And my mother is grand-daughter of the "Syrian", so closer than I, in addition, I honestly don't see Syrian in her features. But I'll share the results of my brother, my mother and my father soon (They are waiting their results).

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I'm sorry all you, but my great-grandfather is a mystery. And you all helped me a lot. Thank all you very much!

[Luso]

I agree. And my mother is grand-daughter of the "Syrian", so closer than I, in addition, I honestly don't see Syrian in her features. But I'll share the resultos of my Brother, My mother, My father soon (They are waiting their results).

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Yeah, I don't see Syrian either but phenotype is sometimes funny. Interesting results indeed. I believe what Leto said... a half scott and half syrian would plot around Italy so even tho you see none of the syrian it doesn't mean you don't have it. Btw you look very Italian!

[Rafael Passoni]

Maybe yes. I have around 10% Morrocan Jew (Sephardic?) according GedMatch. My ancestry is 25% Lombardian, 12.5% Calabrian, 12.5% Sicilian, 25% Catalan , 6.25% Scottish plus 6.25% Andalusian (a couple) and 12.5% "Syrian". This Syrian that doesn't scored was an "exclusive client" of my Sicylian prostitute great-grandmother for five years.
10% Morrocan jew is very close to 12.5% Syrian Christian. It makes sense too or she had a children of an european man.
I think when I upload my father, mother and brother's raw data in GedMatch it will add more valuable information.

[Leto]

By the way, a Southern Italian would typically be between Lebanon and Lombardy/Piedmont.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/21/PCA_of_Italians_and_European_and_Mediterranean_pop ulations.png

[Leto]

@Rafael
What does the Morley haplogroup predictor show you?
https://ytree.morleydna.com/extractFromAutosomal

[zueira]

Maybe yes. I have around 10% Morrocan Jew (Sephardic?) according GedMatch. My ancestry is 25% Lombardian, 12.5% Calabrian, 12.5% Sicilian, 25% Catalan , 6.25% Scottish plus 6.25% Andalusian (a couple) and 12.5% "Syrian". This Syrian that doesn't scorred was an "exclusive client" of my Sicylian prostitute great-grandmother for five years.
10% Morrocan jew is very close to 12.5% Syrian Christian. It makes sense too or she had a children of an european man.
I think when I upload my father, mother and brother's raw data in GedMatch it will add more valuable information.

Syrian Greek?

[Annie999]

I did MyHeritage DNA test. I want to share my results here.

I don't score east asia despite my Syrian great-grandfather. I think my great-grandmother had an extramarital relationship and it can explain it.

Now I'd like to know my Y-Haplogroup.

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Congrats on your results. And yes, an extra marital relationship could explain the lack of west Asian. My great-grandfather was Syrio-Libanes and I score between 4-10% west asian depending on the test. I think it’s very unlikely you inherited 0% if your ancestor was Syrian.

[Rafael Passoni]

Is Cladefinder morley, no? It said R1b-L2. It's just the same, I think. If not, I'll try Morley too.

[zueira]

Congrats on your results. And yes, an extra marital relationship could explain the lack of west Asian. My great-grandfather was Syrio-Libanes and I score between 4-10% west asian depending on the test. I think it’s very unlikely you inherited 0% if your ancestor was Syrian.

Syrian Greek

[Leto]

Is Cladefinder morley, no? It said R1b-L2. It's just the same, I think. If not, I'll try Morley too.
That's a different website and it's virtually never wrong, so give it a try.

[Rafael Passoni]

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Syrian Greek... maybe! There aren't Syrian relatives, there are only Brazilians (all my known parents, cousins and uncles), my relatives in France, Italy, Belgiun and Spain too. But, there isn't unknown relatives with Syrian last name, no one. It's weird.
I think it's unfair let my assumed Syrian Greatgrandfather in my Family Tree. Specialy due to my great-grandmother cheated on him.

[Leto]

Your MDLP K23b results. It picks up some Middle Eastern

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 34.07
2 European_Early_Farmers 29.46
3 European_Hunters_Gatherers 20.7
4 Near_East 8.39
5 North_African 3.27
6 South_Central_Asian 2.84
7 South_East_Asian 0.45
8 Ancestral_Altaic 0.29
9 Arctic 0.19
10 Amerindian 0.19
11 Australoid 0.08
12 Archaic_African 0.07

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Italian_Abruzzo ( ) 3.43
2 Italian_Tuscan ( ) 4.19
3 Italian_Piedmont ( ) 6.52
4 Sicilian_Trapani ( ) 6.54
5 Kosovar ( ) 7.05
6 Greek_Northwest ( ) 7.48
7 Sicilian_West ( ) 7.98
8 Sicilian_Agrigento ( ) 8.26
9 Maltese ( ) 8.49
10 Sicilian_Siracusa ( ) 8.62
11 Italian_North ( ) 10.09
12 Greek_Thessaly ( ) 10.17
13 Ashkenazi_Jew ( ) 10.3
14 Albanian_Tirana ( ) 10.46
15 Greek_Peloponnesos ( ) 10.46
16 French_Jew ( ) 11.15
17 Sicilian_East ( ) 11.45
18 Greek_Thessaloniki ( ) 11.69
19 Montenegrian ( ) 12.06
20 Bulgarian ( ) 12.11

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 62.2% Italian_Piedmont ( ) + 37.8% Greek_Peloponnesos ( ) @ 1.88
2 73.7% Italian_Tuscan ( ) + 26.3% Greek_Peloponnesos ( ) @ 2.03
3 82.5% Greek_Peloponnesos ( ) + 17.5% Sardinian ( ) @ 2.03
4 57.5% Italian_Piedmont ( ) + 42.5% Sicilian_Siracusa ( ) @ 2.04
5 84.1% Italian_Piedmont ( ) + 15.9% Lebanese_Christian ( ) @ 2.11
6 69.8% Italian_Tuscan ( ) + 30.2% Sicilian_Siracusa ( ) @ 2.12
7 65.9% Italian_Piedmont ( ) + 34.1% Ashkenazi ( ) @ 2.14
8 76.8% Italian_Tuscan ( ) + 23.2% Ashkenazi ( ) @ 2.14
9 84.1% Italian_Piedmont ( ) + 15.9% Lebanese_Druze ( ) @ 2.16
10 73.7% Italian_Tuscan ( ) + 26.3% Ashkenazi_Jew ( ) @ 2.16
11 82.7% Italian_Tuscan ( ) + 17.3% Gagauz ( ) @ 2.16
12 85.9% Italian_Piedmont ( ) + 14.1% Druze ( ) @ 2.19
13 73.6% Italian_Tuscan ( ) + 26.4% Greek_Thessaly ( ) @ 2.2
14 57.2% Greek_Peloponnesos ( ) + 42.8% Italian_Bergamo ( ) @ 2.21
15 62.1% Italian_Piedmont ( ) + 37.9% Ashkenazi_Jew ( ) @ 2.22
16 77.6% Italian_Tuscan ( ) + 22.4% Macedonian ( ) @ 2.24
17 76.5% Italian_Tuscan ( ) + 23.5% Greek_Thessaloniki ( ) @ 2.26
18 73.4% Italian_Piedmont ( ) + 26.6% Cretan ( ) @ 2.26
19 75.5% Italian_Piedmont ( ) + 24.5% Greek_Macedonia ( ) @ 2.26
20 61.8% Italian_Piedmont ( ) + 38.2% Greek_Thessaly ( ) @ 2.26

[Rafael Passoni]

Scored Asian/ Amerindiam too. I think it's a noise, but she cheated up him in Brazil in an Italian cologne. So, who knows? My mother carries 25% of his DNA, her results will be finished soon.

[Rafael Passoni]

I'll try it today.

[Leto]

Scored Asian/ Amerindiam too. I think it's a noise, but she cheated up him in Brazil in an Italian cologne. So, who knows? My mother carries 25% of his DNA, her results will be finished soon.
Yeah, that's noise. I was referring to this
84.1% Italian_Piedmont ( ) + 15.9% Lebanese_Christian ( ) @ 2.11

Do you mean "colony" by "cologne"? How was your Italian by the way when you moved to Italy? Enough to order a pizza or pasta? :D

[Rafael Passoni]

I'm at my cousin's house. Just a trip. I'll start Italian in January. I have a very god job in Brazil and it is easily get money. And yes, I can order food hahaha

[Ethel]

We're kinda close:

Distance to: Rafael

5.79339279 Italian_Tuscan
5.86770824 Ethel
6.09223276 Kosovar
6.42297439 Italian_Piedmont
6.57651884 Greek_Northwest
7.67223566 Greek_Thessaly
7.75003226 Albanian_Tirana
8.30812253 Greek_Peloponnesos
8.96871786 Italian_Abruzzo
9.10853995 Greek_Thessaloniki
9.14791233 Italian_North
10.36386993 Central_Greek
11.16915395 Italian_Bergamo
11.28460013 Sicilian_Siracusa
11.31567939 Sicilian_Trapani
11.46390422 Ashkenazi
11.62934650 Sicilian_West
12.26252013 Ashkenazi_Jew
13.13740081 Greek
13.28816014 Sicilian_East

[Token]

I don't think so, you are 100% European based on GEDmatch reuslts.
Scottish and Syrian admixture can easily 'cancel' each other in Admixture and look like Southern European ancestry.

[Chris596]

Why do you expect to have East Asian ancestry if you had a Syrian great grandfather in the first place? :confused:

[zueira]

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Syrian Greek... maybe! There aren't Syrian relatives, there are only Brazilians (all my known parents, cousins and uncles), my relatives in France, Italy, Belgiun and Spain too. But, there isn't unknown relatives with Syrian last name, no one. It's weird.
I think it's unfair let my assumed Syrian Greatgrandfather in my Family Tree. Specialy due to my great-grandmother cheated on him.

:thumb001: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greeks_in_Syria

[Rafael Passoni]

Are you so close me, Ethel? WOW are we relatives ��?

[Rafael Passoni]

My mother's results will be available this week. I'll share it here (if you want to see) She is closer than me to her unknown grandfather.

[gixajo]

I.............. hahaha

Here you have some maps based on your Eurogenes K36 results, it´s not a proof of anything but...

https://i.imgur.com/hjYRf71.png
https://i.imgur.com/dpdIahV.png
https://i.imgur.com/L5VD0lq.png

The reason of your scoring in some parts of America is more due to your high Iberian component rather to any Amerindian ancestry. I don´t see you scoring too much in Levant being Italian.

[Rafael Passoni]

I think my great-grandfather was Portuguese, South Italian or Greek, because I scored a lot in these countries. Today I'll post my results in Morley. I'll post my mother's results soon. Thank you very much, Gixajo.
PS: Now I can see Spaniards are much more closer to French than I tought. Part of my relatives lives in France.

[Rafael Passoni]

Morley: 104436
cladefinder: 104438
Is it a different result? Is there a conflict? What S-47 means?

[Ethel]

Are you so close me, Ethel? WOW are we relatives ��?

Nope, but yeah we're quite close, I see you plot on Tuscany on K36 just like me, our K36 maps are very similar.

[Rafael Passoni]

Does 23andme give me a more accurate result than Morley and Cladefinder for Y-Haplogroup?
Does MyHeritage's Ethnicity estimate more precise than GedMatch?
Thank you.

[Ethel]

Does 23andme give me a more accurate result than Morley and Cladefinder for Y-Haplogroup?
Yes, and it can give you a deeper subclade, but morley and cladefinder can also be very accurate even when they don't go too far within your haplogroup branch, when there are enough SNPs tested to determine so, of course.


Does MyHeritage's Ethnicity estimate more precise than GedMatch?
Thank you.
None of them are

[Rafael Passoni]

Does 23andme is much better than MyHeritage in accuracy to Ethnicity estimate? Or Are results quite similar? I say it because I want to know if I need to do 23andme to know "who I am" or I can assume my current results are right.

[gixajo]

Morley: 104436
cladefinder: 104438
Is it a different result? Is there a conflict? What S-47 means?

I am not any expert about Ydna, but I would say that you are surely R1b-U152 and under this you could be L2 or S47, that are "subranches" of U152. Some relate this clade with Rome and its expansion .

https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-U152/

U152:

https://i.imgur.com/MpObZei.png

L2:

https://i.imgur.com/mgx4BYl.png

S47:

https://i.imgur.com/kfsLRoe.png

[Leto]

Was your paternal grandfather Italian? Northern or Southern?

[Adamm]

Y ou are R1B for sure

[Rafael Passoni]

He was born in Southern France and he was raised in Catalonia-Spain. But his relatives still living in France. Who Knows my grandmother cheated up my grandfather. I'm waiting my parent's DNA results and my brother's one. My paternal surname is Domène, but they misswrote when my Grandfather did his registry and switched his mother Catalan surname (Fernandez) instead his paternal one (Domène). Also they misswrote Fernandez and they changed it to Fernandes (no one in my family carry this surname). I'll fix it soon. These below are some of my cousins in France.

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[Leto]

Check your matches on Gedmatch (one to many comparison), your second strongest one is actually Lebanese.

[Rafael Passoni]

My mother's DNA results are ready today. She is the granddaughter of my supposed Syrian great-grandfather.
She is 100% European by this test. I think the DNA from Portugal city of Castelo Branco is an "alien DNA", because Italian Ancestry woudn't score it this very specific city. Is it possible that MyHeritage misread 1/4 of Syrian blood? They also detected the Scottish DNA.

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104729

[Leto]

My mother's DNA results are ready today. She is the granddaughter of my supposed Syrian great-grandfather.
She is 100% European by this test. I think the DNA from Portugal city of Castelo Branco is an "alien DNA", because Italian Ancestry woudn't score it this very specific city. Is it possible that MyHeritage misread 1/4 of Syrian blood? They also detected the Scottish DNA.

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104727
104729
Looks like she is fully European with no Syrian. I'll check her Gedmatch later.

[Chris596]

My mother's DNA results are ready today. She is the granddaughter of my supposed Syrian great-grandfather.
She is 100% European by this test. I think the DNA from Portugal city of Castelo Branco is an "alien DNA", because Italian Ancestry woudn't score it this very specific city. Is it possible that MyHeritage misread 1/4 of Syrian blood? They also detected the Scottish DNA.

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I wouldn't pay much attention to this report. GEDmatch is much more important. Myheritage is one of the weirdest companies I've ever seen, when it comes to ancestry reports. Full Western Europeans score random 1-2% Central Asian on it, other people from the Balkans score 2-10% Irish and other things I don't even want to imagine. Weird to say the least.

[Rafael Passoni]

I'll try to run her raw data on GedMatch today.

[zueira]

My mother's DNA results are ready today. She is the granddaughter of my supposed Syrian great-grandfather.
She is 100% European by this test. I think the DNA from Portugal city of Castelo Branco is an "alien DNA", because Italian Ancestry woudn't score it this very specific city. Is it possible that MyHeritage misread 1/4 of Syrian blood? They also detected the Scottish DNA.

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104727
104729

Greek Syrian

[Rafael Passoni]

What is this huge amount of Iberian? Missread? I don't know.
I will try GedMatch. May I try DNA land? My cousin, son of her sister and my Polish uncle scored, 35% East European, 19% Balcan, 18% Western European, 16% Italian, 5% Sephardic Jew, 4% Baskid, 3% Iberian. I thought he need to score at least 12,5% Iberian because her sister should have similar results (25% Iberian).

[Rafael Passoni]

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GEDmatch doesn't show any Syrian and she is granddaughter of the supposed Syrian.

Recap: I did MyHeritage DNA test and Ishared my results here in another thread.

I didn't scored Middle East despite my Syrian great-grandfather so I tought my great-grandmother had an extramarital relationship and it can explain it. Then I have a DNA result that is 1 generation closer than my result.

[Rafael Passoni]

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I want to know which ethnicity my Great-grandfather belong. MyHeritage scored Iberian as the 2nd largest group for my mother and I think he was Portuguese. Am I wrong?
I doesn't expect a huge amount of Iberian in my mum because she hasn't any known ancestry from Iberia.

[Leto]

Better keep everything in this one thread instead of scattering your stuff all over the place. People don't seem to be interested in your story, they probably think you're just another mixed "Blackzilian"

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GEDmatch doesn't show any Syrian and she is granddaughter of the supposed Syrian.

Recap: I did MyHeritage DNA test and Ishared my results here in another thread.

I didn't scored Middle East despite my Syrian great-grandfather so I tought my great-grandmother had an extramarital relationship and it can explain it. Then I have a DNA result that is 1 generation closer than my result.
Vahaduo oracle:

Distance to: RP_mom
5.99181108 IT_Liguria
6.03223010 IT_Emilia
6.52482950 IT_Tuscan
6.87299062 IT_Lombardy
7.47939837 IT_Romagna
7.50285279 IT_Veneto
7.53340560 IT_Friuli-VG
7.66986962 Italian
7.85745506 IT_Piedmont
9.04991713 IT_Trentino

Distance: 1.9953% / 1.99529446
Target: RP_mom | ADC: 0.5x RC
64.5 Swiss_Italian
25.7 Ashkenazi
9.8 Albanian_Tosk

Your seems to be perfectly in the Italian range, kinda like a mix of North and South.

[Leto]

Dodecad K12b:

Distance to: RP_mom
4.06113285 Italian_Liguria
4.22336359 Italian_Veneto
4.81120567 Italian_Piedmont
4.87389988 Italian_Lombardy
5.07784403 Italian_Emilia
5.51143357 Italian_Friuli_VG
5.64638823 Italian_Tuscany
6.57674787 Swiss_Italian
6.92742376 Italian_Romagna
7.20004861 Italian_Trentino

Distance: 1.7777% / 1.77771542
Target: RP_mom | ADC: 0.25x RC
64.6 Swiss_Italian
28.5 Albanian
3.0 Algerian
2.2 Italian_Liguria
1.7 Yemenite_Mahra

Distance: 2.8160% / 2.81599529
Target: RP_mom | ADC: 0.5x RC
60.8 Italian_Liguria
23.8 Italian_Friuli_VG
15.4 Albanian_Kosovo

[Rafael Passoni]

Thank you, Leto. ��
I don't understood why her huge amount of Iberian (25%) in MyHeritage.

[Leto]

Thank you, Leto. ��
I don't understood why her huge amount of Iberian (25%) in MyHeritage.
Does she have no documented Portuguese? Then maybe misread North Italian. I don't know either. There will be an ethnicity update in the coming year.

[Grace O'Malley]

Vahaduo is just a method of incorporating G25 into Gedmatch. No thanks. G25 is a hot mess.

Vahaduo is just a tool to help with both Gedmatch calculators and G25. If you use Gedmatch calculators with Vahaduo it has nothing to do with G25. When using Gedmatch calculators you use your coordinates from Gedmatch for whatever calculator you use. If using Eurogenes K13 you would use your coordinates that you get for K13 from Gedmatch.

[Rafael Passoni]

She knows her three Italian great-grandparents and the other one is a suposed Syrian. We don't have Portuguese in her knowed grandparents.

[Ranger0075]

She knows her three Italian great-grandparents and the other one is a suposed Syrian. We don't have Portuguese in her knowed grandparents.

maybe they got mistake, he used to be 'sicilian' and other generations got it 'syrian', it kinda sounds equal

[MINARDOWICZ]

I'll try to run her raw data on GedMatch today.Gedmatch will not help, likely. Such a small percentage will blend with Italian in the mix. Here is my take. Myheritage isnt accurate, but I score significant MENA, as do most people of S Italian descent (everyone in my family). Someone who is also actually part MENA, WOULD SURELY SCORE SOME! I call BS.

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[Rafael Passoni]

So, my mother isn't Syrian descent. Maybe her true grandfather was Portuguese, as MyHeritage tells. From Castelo Branco. I did my mother's K36 map and she scores about 64 pts in Iberia. So it makes sense.