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Thracian

12-10-2020, 06:54 PM

ANATOLIAN TURKS

Averages

https://i.ibb.co/9bHpSwy/K13-ANATOLIANTURKS.png

Users

https://i.ibb.co/MczWM6G/K13-ANATOLIANTURKSUSERS.png

BALKAN TURKS

Averages

https://i.ibb.co/WHZTHV6/K13-BALKANTURKS.png

Users

https://i.ibb.co/Np8sCK1/K13-BALKANTURKSUSERS.png

Feel free to add your samples if you would like to give it a shot.

Spreadsheet

TURKIC:Afghan_Turkmen,7.16,12.65,3.08,22.29,7.92,0 .41,8.31,10.56,24.77,1.32,0.69,0.23,0.63
TURKIC:Turkmen,7.21,5.91,2.52,32.73,19.76,1.31,11. 21,6.87,10.08,1.88,0.32,0.08,0.11
TURKIC:Turkmen_Uzbekistan,7.25,9.48,3.13,25.95,11. 85,3.01,9.77,10.3,17.5,0.98,0.37,0.29,0.12
TURKIC:Uygur,7.18,9.70,0.87,18.93,4.66,0.18,10.42, 24.33,20.48,2.35,0.42,0.26,0.21
TURKIC:Uzbeki,4.87,11.98,1.72,20.42,6.92,1.05,11.8 5,15.99,23.17,1.39,0.11,0.35,0.19
VLACH:Vlach_Central-Macedonia,21.16,16.34,21.87,11.20,23.99,4.14,0.06, 0.43,0,0,0.81,0,0
VLACH:Vlach_North-Macedonia,22.21,19.88,20.33,11.84,19.73,4.68,0,0.6 6,0,0,0.67,0,0
VLACH:Vlach(Aromanian)_average,21.26,20.34,19.00,1 1.77,22.61,3.09,0.18,0.47,0.47,0.41,0.38,0.04,0.00
TORBESHI:Torbesh_average,21.55,17.67,22.34,10.48,2 3.69,2.25,0.00,0.51,0.48,0.79,0.25,0.00,0.00
TORBESHI:Torbeshi_North-Macedonia-Central,21.08,20.82,21.51,10.81,23.51,0.98,0,0,0.1 6,0.74,0.39,0,0
TORBESHI:Torbeshi_North-Macedonia-East,19.26,17.27,22.23,11.81,23.16,3.03,0,1.33,0.9 3,0.98,0,0,0
LEVANT:Samaritan,1.69,0.36,16.45,18.39,45.52,13.82 ,0.98,0.08,0.10,0.00,0.26,2.35,0.00
LEVANT:Lebanese_Christian,1.47,0.19,15.36,20.76,47 .26,12.40,0.77,0.59,0.19,0.01,0.17,0.83,0.01
LEVANT:Lebanese_Muslim,4.62,1.30,13.94,23.11,39.72 ,10.79,2.44,0.19,0.07,0.01,0.62,2.22,0.95
ARMENIAN_EAST:Armenian_East,3.34,2.6,11.32,39.4,34 .05,5.27,2.98,0.22,0.1,0.17,0.36,0.09,0.04
ARMENIAN_WEST:Armenian_West,2.91,1.84,12.8,36.23,3 6.53,6.22,2.55,0.25,0.09,0.09,0.34,0.25,0.27
BULGARIAN_NORTHCENTRAL:Bulgaria_Northcentral,21.30 ,24.45,17.41,11.88,19.86,2.33,0.65,0.28,0.99,0.37, 0.28,0.07,0.14
BULGARIAN_NORTHEASTERN:Bulgaria_Northeastern,22.15 ,22.37,17.46,13.43,19.44,2.56,0.46,0.32,0.49,0.24, 0.29,0.11,0.10
BULGARIAN_NORTHWESTERN:Bulgaria_Northwestern,22.04 ,26.19,17.58,10.15,19.05,2.31,0.40,0.52,0.70,0.51, 0.38,0.07,0.09
BULGARIAN_SOUTHCENTRAL:Bulgaria_Southcentral,21.22 ,23.73,18.05,11.66,20.32,2.41,0.57,0.37,0.85,0.21, 0.29,0.24,0.04
BULGARIAN_SOUTHEASTERN:Bulgaria_Southeastern,20.13 ,21.81,18.44,13.87,20.44,2.92,0.43,0.30,0.48,0.44, 0.47,0.11,0.07
BULGARIAN_SOUTHWESTER:NBulgaria_Southwestern,22.85 ,24.04,17.87,11.48,18.68,2.26,0.58,0.51,0.85,0.44, 0.33,0.06,0.06
GEORGIAN:Georgian,3.72,5.52,10.13,52.14,21.85,3.22 ,1.80,0.65,0.37,0.42,0.12,0.03,0.03
GEORGIAN:Georgian_imereti,2.27,2.24,11.58,54.44,23 .83,1.88,2.24,0.27,0.06,0,0.89,0.01,0.25
GREEK_ANATOLIA_CENTRAL:Greek_Cappadocian,6.83,3.81 ,18.16,27.6,36.59,4.92,0.94,0.03,0.64,0.03,0.4,0,0
GREEK_ANATOLIA_EAST:Greek_Caucasus,2.09,2.19,14.56 ,38.52,36.1,4.13,1.64,0.14,0.14,0,0.49,0,0
GREEK_CENTRAL:Greek_Central,17.81,13.51,20.59,14.6 6,27.30,4.05,0.60,0.29,0.33,0.42,0.40,0.03,0.01
GREEK_MACEDONIA:Greek_Central_Macedonia,18.99,17.7 9,21.11,12.46,24.88,2.53,0.36,0.37,0.21,0.55,0.18, 0.23,0.19
GREEK_MACEDONIA:Greek_Eastern-Macedonia,20.66,15.94,21.89,13.13,22.35,4.13,0,0.4 1,0.19,0,0.06,1.25,0
GREEK_MACEDONIA:Greek_West_Macedonia,20.56,15.60,2 0.43,13.81,24.46,3.48,0.14,0.29,0.43,0.49,0.11,0.2 2,0
GREEK_ISLANDER_SOUTH:Greek_Chios,12.26,6.67,20.79, 20.21,33.04,5.56,0,0.58,0.45,0.02,0.19,0.18,0
GREEK_ISLANDER_SOUTH:Greek_Cyclades,17.87,9.96,20. 68,15.25,28.66,4.63,0.10,0.57,0.50,0.54,0.53,0.16, 0.08
GREEK_ISLANDER_SOUTH:Greek_Dodecanese,12.59,6.27,2 0.44,18.63,33.75,6.15,0.72,0.46,0.28,0.21,0.24,0.1 7,0.09
GREEK_ISLANDER_SOUTH:Greek_Crete,13.22,9.49,20.29, 17.33,32.47,5.12,0.27,0.24,0.20,0.15,0.60,0.47,0.1 6
GREEK_ISLANDER_NORTH:Greek_North_Aegean,14.57,8.12 ,21.16,16.95,32.41,5.20,0.62,0.24,0.25,0.07,0.17,0 .23,0.02
GREEK_ANATOLIA_WEST:Greek_Ionia,16.28,11.33,20.69, 15.75,29.74,4.46,0.09,0.62,0.26,0.20,0.36,0.18,0.0 5
GREEK_EASTERN_THRACE:Greek_Eastern-Thrace,16.34,17.89,20.20,13.03,27.42,3.63,0,0,1.02 ,0.31,0.13,0,0
GREEK_SOUTH:Greek_Peloponnese,18.68,15.50,20.35,13 .16,26.48,3.48,0.73,0.30,0.30,0.36,0.49,0.16,0.02
GREEK_THESSALY:Greek_Thessaly,20.88,16.97,20.47,11 .67,24.62,3.45,0.50,0.40,0.37,0.495,0.30,0.04,0.09
GREEK_PONTUS:Greek_Trabzon,3.03,2.61,15.35,37.05,3 6.21,3.91,0.95,0.22,0.3,0.04,0.3,0,0.3
GREEK_WESTERN_THRACE:Greek_Western-Thrace,21.88,13.08,22.91,12.65,25.86,1.90,0,1.34,0 ,0.38,0,0,0
GREEK_WEST:Greek_West,19.36,16.49,21.06,12.79,26.5 0,2.08,0.03,0.40,0.26,0.37,0.25,0.07,0.03
GREEK_NORTHERN_THRACE:Greek_Northern-Thrace,19.04,22.53,19.23,12.02,24.12,0,0,0,1.00,0, 1.52,0,0
GREEK_SARAKATSANI:Sarakatsani,22.21,15.58,18.84,14 .25,23.92,3.12,0,0 ,0,0,0,1.05,0
PERSIAN_EAST:Iran_Bandari,1.22,5.00,1.58,39.40,17. 21,4.19,19.92,0.00,0.19,1.09,0.71,2.73,6.66
PERSIAN_CENTRAL:Iran_Centraleast,3.29,4.79,3.67,39 .54,25.33,5.16,15.06,0.17,1.02,0.62,0.51,0.37,1.89
PERSIAN_CENTRAL:Iranian,2.07,4.23,4.23,38.20,29.70 ,7.48,10.56,0.04,1.34,0.28,0.24,0.17,1.47
PERSIAN_SOUTHWESTERN:Lor_Iran,1.16,3.82,5.91,39.11 ,29.66,7.04,9.87,0.18,1.31,0.38,0.39,0.36,0.68
IRANIC_WEST:Kurd_Iran,4,2.22,7.31,39.88,31.03,4.36 ,9.29,0,0.99,0.19,0,0.03,0.54
IRANIC_WEST:Kurd_Kurmanji_Turkey,3.73,4.75,7.96,38 .41,30.58,5.17,7.45,0.4,1.11,0.56,0,0,0
IRANIC_WEST:Kurd_Sorani,2.98,4.22,6.58,38,30.5,6.6 6,8.45,0.41,0.76,0.66,0.24,0.72,0.27
ASSYRIAN:Assyrian_North,1.47,1.33,11.83,32.9,39.46 ,8.42,3.4 7,0.22,0.16,0.14,0.31,0.21,0.07
ASSYRIAN:Assyrian_South,1.57,1.07,11.78,32.43,39.5 2,8.73,3. 49,0.32,0.12,0.19,0.3,0.32,0.12
ASSYRIAN:Assyrian_West,2.19,0.82,12.21,32.35,39.76 ,8.61,2.9 2,0.22,0.12,0.16,0.29,0.18,0.16
NUSAYRI:Nusayri,5.95,1.56,13.93,24.33,39.43,9.69,1 .82,0.42,0.76,0.21,0.35,1.28,0.23
MACEDONIAN,22.14,21.76,19.68,10.90,21.19,2.43,0.22 ,0.39,0.48,0.28,0.40,0.05,0.07
POMAK:Pomak_average,18.95,24.66,16.75,13.16,20.92, 2.53,0.41,0.84,0.71,0.38,0.35,0.05,0.06
SOUTH_ASIAN:Brahmin_UP,7.52,8.07,0.41,23.86,0.12,0 .07,55.38,0.65,0.74,1.88,0.85,0.23,0.23
SOUTH_ASIAN:Punjabi_Jat,7.52,10.46,0.07,35.03,0.74 ,0.59,43.04,0.07,0.41,1.30,0.33,0.07,0.38
SOUTH_ASIAN:Gujarati,4.22,6.43,0.04,27.49,0.40,0.1 8,58.04,0.65,1.25,0.37,0.49,0.11,0.33
SOUTH_ASIAN:Sindhi,3.30,3.82,0.06,39.57,3.85,0.51, 45.20,0.17,0.58,1.41,0.43,0.48,0.62
SOUTH_ASIAN:Velamas,0.15,0.19,0.13,21.78,2.62,0.26 ,70.10,1.58,0.89,0.31,1.27,0.38,0.35
SOUTH_CENTRAL_ASIAN:Afghan_Pashtun,8.26,10.18,0.26 ,40.21,7.01,0.97,25.38,1.49,3.82,1.30,0.47,0.07,0. 59
SOUTH_CENTRAL_ASIAN:Kalash,5.72,11.37,0.00,43.42,0 .69,0.00,34.83,0.03,1.28,1.85,0.22,0.09,0.49
SOUTH_CENTRAL_ASIAN:Burusho,2.50,8.83,0.01,37.09,0 .22,0.04,36.76,5.04,6.21,2.26,0.33,0.24,0.47
ROMANIAN:Romania_average,23.31,26.03,17.34,10.46,1 7.38,1.95,0.70,0.65,1.09,0.52,0.36,0.12,0.09
LAZ:Laz,1.47,1.72,14.18,45.4,32.17,3.04,0.88,0.51, 0,0.11,0.38,0,0.09
IRANIC_CENTRAL_ASIA:Tajik_Ayni,10.75,12.50,1.08,35 .13,10.06,0.76,13.59,4.76,8.35,1.81,0.38,0.61,0.23
IRANIC_CENTRAL_ASIA:Tajik_Hisor,10.03,12.56,0.98,3 5.56,9.36,0.36,14.99,4.84,8.48,2.16,0.35,0,0.33
IRANIC_CENTRAL_ASIA:Tajik_Kulob,7.22,14.09,0,38.91 ,9.05,0.47,16.10,4.31,6.23,3.19,0.22,0.10,0.09
SERBIAN_NORTH:Serb_north,25.11,30.70,16.57,9.04,14 .65,1.53,0.53,0.32,0.57,0.43,0.43,0.06,0.04
SERBIAN_CENTRAL:Serb_central,25.13,29.35,17.05,8.7 1,15.72,1.62,0.57,0.26,0.66,0.50,0.28,0.10,0.05
SERBIAN_SOUTH:Serb_south,23.36,27.16,17.57,9.33,18 .39,1.96,0.44,0.18,0.84,0.35,0.28,0.00,0.15
CROATIAN_BIH:Croat_Bosnia&Herzegovina,25.53,32.41,15.86,8.50,13.91,1.38,0.59 ,0.25,0.56,0.46,0.35,0.04,0.11
CROATIAN_EAST:Croat_East,27.42,34.37,13.89,8.65,11 .79,1.56,0.03,0.14,1.16,0.62,0.35,0.02,0.01
CROATIAN_LITTORAL:Croat_Littoral,26.81,32.09,15.78 ,8.11,13.54,1.40,0.33,0.24,0.56,0.49,0.39,0.13,0.1 1
CROATIAN_NORTH:Croat_north,31.28,33.43,14.32,7.22, 9.91,1.18,0.61,0.31,0.54,0.59,0.35,0.13,0.13
ALBANIAN:Albanian,21.69,17.54,21.72,11.13,23.86,2. 59,0.16,0.28,0.28,0.28,0.22,0.16,0.09
ALBANIAN_GHEG:Albanian_Gheg,21.88,18.15,21.86,11.2 3,22.94,2.61,0.19,0.24,0.26,0.19,0.26,0.16,0.02
ALBANIAN_TOSK:Albanian_Tosk,21.32,16.38,21.46,10.9 3,25.63,2.55,0.09,0.34,0.31,0.46,0.14,0.16,0.22
BOSNIAK_SANDJAK:Bosniak_Sandzak,24.09,24.59,19.05, 10.39,18.12,1.78,0.19,0.38,0.49,0.55,0.29,0.01,0.0 6
BOSNIAK:Bosniak,24.88,32.47,15.40,8.91,13.89,1.77, 0.79,0.51,0.57,0.47,0.26,0.02,0.06
ROMANIAN:Romania_average,23.31,26.03,17.34,10.46,1 7.38,1.95,0.70,0.65,1.09,0.52,0.36,0.12,0.09

Annihilus

12-10-2020, 07:43 PM

Thracian

12-10-2020, 07:57 PM

Bro, you forgot me

Population Percentage
North_Atlantic 10.63%
Baltic 15.74%
West Mediterranean 14.28%
West Asian 27.04%
East Mediterranean 22.04%
Red Sea 4.91%
South Asian 1.43%
East Asian 0.39%
Siberian 2.60%
Amerindian 0.00%
Oceanian 0.65%
Northeast African 0.28%
Sub-Saharan 0.00%

Bro, sorry I did not see you in apricity members k13 spreadsheet.

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?327894-Modeling-yourself-with-other-Apricity-members-using-vahaduo-eurogenes-k13

Here is yours,

Target: Annihilus
Distance: 267.0870% / 2.67087034 | ADC: 0.25x
34.0 POMAK
27.6 GEORGIAN
23.6 GREEK_EASTERN_THRACE
8.0 PERSIAN_SOUTHWESTERN
6.8 TURKIC

RatCat

12-10-2020, 08:01 PM

Chris596

12-10-2020, 08:08 PM

I felt like I should try this out, honestly I'm more like a Balkan Turk than Hungarian genetically, probably many of you already know this about me lmao

Distance: 1.6734% / 1.67340889
Target: Chris
47.3 CROATIAN_EAST
27.9 GREEK_NORTHERN_THRACE
14.4 CROATIAN_NORTH
6.9 CROATIAN_BIH
2.3 TURKIC
1.2 GEORGIAN

Distance: 2.1249% / 2.12488379
Target: Chris | ADC: 0.25x
77.3 SERBIAN_NORTH
13.7 CROATIAN_EAST
5.9 GREEK_NORTHERN_THRACE
1.9 TURKIC
1.2 GEORGIAN

Distances

Distance to: Chris
2.93023890 SERBIAN_NORTH:Serb_north
3.36075884 SERBIAN_CENTRAL:Serb_central
3.83391445 BOSNIAK:Bosniak
3.96224684 CROATIAN_BIH:Croat_Bosnia&Herzegovina
4.49371784 CROATIAN_LITTORAL:Croat_Littoral
5.67638970 SERBIAN_SOUTH:Serb_south
5.70232409 ROMANIAN:Romania_average
5.70232409 ROMANIAN:Romania_average
6.80915560 CROATIAN_EAST:Croat_East
7.00645417 BULGARIAN_NORTHWESTERN:Bulgaria_Northwestern
7.59585413 BOSNIAK_SANDJAK:Bosniak_Sandzak
8.14292331 BULGARIAN_SOUTHWESTER:NBulgaria_Southwestern
8.90097747 BULGARIAN_NORTHCENTRAL:Bulgaria_Northcentral
9.76902759 BULGARIAN_SOUTHCENTRAL:Bulgaria_Southcentral
9.78859030 CROATIAN_NORTH:Croat_north
10.31791161 BULGARIAN_NORTHEASTERN:Bulgaria_Northeastern
10.63284534 POMAK:Pomak_average
11.75914963 MACEDONIAN
12.24753853 BULGARIAN_SOUTHEASTERN:Bulgaria_Southeastern
13.46305686 VLACH:Vlach_North-Macedonia
13.70709670 VLACH:Vlach(Aromanian)_average
13.87201860 GREEK_NORTHERN_THRACE:Greek_Northern-Thrace
14.53877918 TORBESHI:Torbeshi_North-Macedonia-Central
16.19701824 ALBANIAN_GHEG:Albanian_Gheg
17.06396496 ALBANIAN:Albanian

Chris596

12-10-2020, 08:09 PM

Double

fcking forum crash

Kyp

12-10-2020, 08:14 PM

Dr_Maul

12-10-2020, 08:53 PM

Distance: 2.3616% / 2.36156911
Target: DrMaul
71.2 PERSIAN_SOUTHWESTERN
18.5 PERSIAN_CENTRAL
3.7 IRANIC_CENTRAL_ASIA
3.5 GREEK_ANATOLIA_EAST
3.1 SOUTH_ASIAN

Thracian

12-12-2020, 10:31 AM

I think Eurogenes k13 is not good for west asians because their West Asian component can not seperate Caucasus + Gedrosia. And when modelling we end up with some Caucasian and some Iranians mixing up with each other.

For example PaterPatato is half Kurdish but he scores %0 Iranic and I score %33.

I will put the other calculator you did with Dodecad k12b for comparison.
https://i.hizliresim.com/UTFE3V.png

Good job btw. I enjoy your calculators like that :thumb001:

Thank you!

I agree with you. I also modeled you adding some Adyghe but you still had Iranic. For k13, West Iranic groups are somehow close to Northeast Anatolian groups. K12b looks way better for you, I believe.

Thracian

12-12-2020, 10:43 AM

I think there should ony be one turkic reference or atleast leave Turkmen out. Otherwise turkic input possibly varies too much.

Also Iranian references eat some turkic too.

Also I would throw out Central Asia Iranic as it's not of relevance to Western Turks. At least not the modern Turkic admixed groups such as Tajiks.

It eats but I don't know ignoring Iranic ancestry for Turks is reliable. Seljuk Empire was Turco-Persian Empire.

I removed Turkmen and Central Asian Iranics for each group.

I removed all Iranic samples for Anatolian Turks.

https://i.ibb.co/yyCK17R/K13AT2.png

https://i.ibb.co/qpBLpBf/k13BT2.png

migrec

12-12-2020, 12:06 PM

Distance: 4.3975% / 4.39749963
Target: Can_scaled
32.5 SERBIAN_NORTH
22.1 TORBESHI
21.0 GEORGIAN
11.9 TURKIC
6.3 BOSNIAK
6.2 CROATIAN_BIH

Did not expect that high SERBIAN_NORTH

RatCat

12-12-2020, 12:55 PM

Thank you!

I agree with you. I also modeled you adding some Adyghe but you still had Iranic. For k13, West Iranic groups are somehow close to Northeast Anatolian groups. K12b looks way better for you, I believe.

Yes, on k13 Yagnobi and North Caucasians are somewhat close too. I usually get some Yagnobi on 4-Way-Oracles.

RogueState

12-12-2020, 01:26 PM

Is it far-stretched to say Anatolian Turks are genetically speaking as much Turkic as African-Americans are White ?

Thracian

12-12-2020, 07:42 PM

Yes, on k13 Yagnobi and North Caucasians are somewhat close too. I usually get some Yagnobi on 4-Way-Oracles.

I also get them. I thought it was a proxy for Turkic+Iranic ancestry.

Kyp

12-12-2020, 08:02 PM

I also get them. I thought it was a proxy for Turkic+Iranic ancestry.

Yagnobi are predominantly East Iranian with small turkic ancestry. Their East Eurasian is very low for their region (5-6%)

Thracian

12-12-2020, 08:12 PM

Yagnobi are predominantly East Iranian with small turkic ancestry. Their East Eurasian is very low for their region (5-6%)

Are they like Bandari? Or closer to other Tajikistani populations? Most of the time, I get Yagnobi or Pamiri. I was thinking it is basically Turkic+Iranic for me.

Kyp

12-12-2020, 08:16 PM

Are they like Bandari? Or closer to other Tajikistani populations? Most of the time, I get Yagnobi or Pamiri. I was thinking it is basically Turkic+Iranic for me.

No Bandari are something completely different. Bandaris are a group from South of Iran.

Yagnobi are basically like other Pamiri groups just with less East Eurasian. They broadly cluster with the pre-turkic population of Southern Central Asia but they do have small amount of East Eurasian too.

RatCat

12-12-2020, 08:26 PM

I also get them. I thought it was a proxy for Turkic+Iranic ancestry.

On k13 they can be modelled as %50 North Caucasian. Probably because of high west asian and steppe ancestry.

Distance: 1.4426% / 1.44262295
Target: Yagnobi | ADC: 0.25x RC
28.9 Tabassaran
23.2 Chechen
22.2 Tajik_Kulob
14.8 Pathan
8.0 Erzya
1.6 Iran_Bandari
1.3 Somali

Dr_Maul

12-12-2020, 08:55 PM

Is it far-stretched to say Anatolian Turks are genetically speaking as much Turkic as African-Americans are White ?

Depends on the Turkic
Xiongnu or Seljuk percentage will vary

kubilai_alptugh

01-24-2024, 11:28 AM

Target: Kubilay_scaled
Distance: 1.8187% / 0.01818708
45.8 TURKIC
20.8 LAZ
17.8 LEVANT
15.4 GREEK_PONTUS
0.2 TORBESHI

Target: Kubilay_scaled
Distance: 2.0576% / 0.02057577 | ADC: 0.25x RC
56.4 TURKIC
28.0 GREEK_ANATOLIA_CENTRAL
15.6 LEVANT