Are Tuscans genetically halfway between Greeks and Spaniards?

[Avgvstvs]

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[Lemminkäinen]

No, they are between Italians.

[Token]

No, they lack the Slavic in Greeks and North African in Spaniards.

[Unknown European]

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Somewhat yes. Using just Spanish and Greek sources (Discluding Canary Islanders and Greeks from Turkey) you can model the average of 15 Tuscans with only Spanish and Greek sources and get a very minimal distance and a near 50/50 of both Greek and Spanish. I used all individual samples for the sources and aggregated them. Tuscans are essentially a Central Mediterranean group. So they have similarities with both East Med Europeans and West Med Europeans

Target: Italian_Tuscany
Distance: 0.0203% / 0.00020339
29.0 Greek_Crete
14.4 Spanish_Penedes
8.8 Greek_Peloponnese
7.2 Greek_Izmir
6.6 Spanish_Peri-Barcelona
6.0 Spanish_Pirineu
4.6 Spanish_Girona
4.0 Spanish_Alacant
4.0 Spanish_Terres_de_l'Ebre
3.6 Greek_Kos
3.4 Spanish_Aragon
3.0 Spanish_Lleida
1.4 Greek_Macedonia
1.2 Greek_Laconia
1.0 Greek_Dodecanese
0.6 Spanish_Cantabria
0.6 Spanish_Eivissa
0.2 Spanish_Catalunya_Central
0.2 Spanish_Navarra
0.2 Spanish_Valencia

[Unknown European]

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Somewhat yes. Using just Spanish and Greek sources (Discluding Canary Islanders and Greeks from Turkey) you can model the average of 15 Tuscans with only Spanish and Greek sources and get a very minimal distance and a near 50/50 of both Greek and Spanish. I used all individual samples for the sources and aggregated them. Tuscans are essentially a Central Mediterranean group. So they have similarities with both East Med Europeans and West Med Europeans

Target: Italian_Tuscany
Distance: 0.0203% / 0.00020339
29.0 Greek_Crete
14.4 Spanish_Penedes
8.8 Greek_Peloponnese
7.2 Greek_Izmir
6.6 Spanish_Peri-Barcelona
6.0 Spanish_Pirineu
4.6 Spanish_Girona
4.0 Spanish_Alacant
4.0 Spanish_Terres_de_l'Ebre
3.6 Greek_Kos
3.4 Spanish_Aragon
3.0 Spanish_Lleida
1.4 Greek_Macedonia
1.2 Greek_Laconia
1.0 Greek_Dodecanese
0.6 Spanish_Cantabria
0.6 Spanish_Eivissa
0.2 Spanish_Catalunya_Central
0.2 Spanish_Navarra
0.2 Spanish_Valencia

[Avgvstvs]

Somewhat yes. Using just Spanish and Greek sources (Discluding Canary Islanders and Greeks from Turkey) you can model the average of 15 Tuscans with only Spanish and Greek sources and get a very minimal distance and a near 50/50 of both Greek and Spanish. I used all individual samples for the sources and aggregated them. Tuscans are essentially a Central Mediterranean group. So they have similarities with both East Med Europeans and West Med Europeans

Target: Italian_Tuscany
Distance: 0.0203% / 0.00020339
29.0Greek_Crete
14.4Spanish_Penedes
8.8Greek_Peloponnese
7.2Greek_Izmir
6.6Spanish_Peri-Barcelona
6.0Spanish_Pirineu
4.6Spanish_Girona
4.0Spanish_Alacant
4.0Spanish_Terres_de_l'Ebre
3.6Greek_Kos
3.4Spanish_Aragon
3.0Spanish_Lleida
1.4Greek_Macedonia
1.2Greek_Laconia
1.0Greek_Dodecanese
0.6Spanish_Cantabria
0.6Spanish_Eivissa
0.2Spanish_Catalunya_Central
0.2Spanish_Navarra
0.2Spanish_ValenciaInteresting, thank you!



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[JQP4545]

Most of the ancestry of northern Italians comes from Neolithic farmers and Central European Bell Beakers. Southern Italians, on the other hand, received Iranian like DNA during the Late Neolithic/Copper age as well as smaller amounts of North African DNA during the Middle Ages. You can't just look at a PCA plot and say that because Tuscans fall between the Spanish and Greeks that they are somehow half Spanish and half Greek because that doesn't capture the genetic diversity of the two regions. The dominant Y chromosomes of Spain and Northern Italy are two different variants of haplogroup R1b, meaning that the Yamnaya DNA that they received was from two different ethnolinguistic groups. The steppe related ancestry that came to the Balkans was more similar to people from Slavic speaking countries and Central Asia/Iran. Northern Italians and Spanish have far less DNA from Caucasus/Iranian related groups that came to the Eastern Mediterranean during the Chalcolithic/Early Bronze Age and more from North Africa. The Spanish and Northern Italians also received DNA from the Germanic Tribes during the Middle Ages.

[Samnium]

No, lot of Tuscans are closer to Greeks, atleast Mainland greeks than to spaniards.

[Beers]

Tuscany is close genetically to Albanians in Kosovo.
Macedonians, as well.
At least on Eurogenes K15 Extended Oracle, on Admixture studio.

[gixajo]

Not the closest Italian region to us.


Distance to: gixajo_scaled
0.03367804 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
0.03394874 Italian_Aosta_Valley
0.03876068 Italian_Veneto
0.03970081 Italian_Bergamo
0.04181608 Italian_Lombardy
0.04269814 Italian_Northeast
0.04633465 Italian_Liguria
0.04716326 Italian_Piedmont
0.05569660 Italian_Tuscany
0.06549559 Italian_Umbria
0.06596297 Italian_Marche
0.07082377 Italian_Lazio
0.07833520 Italian_Abruzzo
0.07893547 Italian_Molise
0.08478148 Italian_Apulia
0.08733743 Italian_Basilicata
0.08983540 Italian_Campania
0.09568079 Italian_Calabria

Distance to: gixajo_dad_scaled
0.03509313 Italian_Bergamo
0.03535920 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
0.03605740 Italian_Lombardy
0.03859009 Italian_Veneto
0.04129573 Italian_Aosta_Valley
0.04139101 Italian_Piedmont
0.04163356 Italian_Liguria
0.04570211 Italian_Northeast
0.04767661 Italian_Tuscany
0.05608669 Italian_Umbria
0.05724359 Italian_Marche
0.06007968 Italian_Lazio
0.06773358 Italian_Abruzzo
0.06872397 Italian_Molise
0.07352429 Italian_Apulia
0.07630478 Italian_Basilicata
0.07800692 Italian_Campania
0.08341531 Italian_Calabria

Distance to: gixajo_mom_scaled
0.04149923 Italian_Aosta_Valley
0.04290130 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
0.04656388 Italian_Bergamo
0.04800897 Italian_Veneto
0.04814985 Italian_Lombardy
0.04934161 Italian_Northeast
0.05200857 Italian_Liguria
0.05631534 Italian_Piedmont
0.06623763 Italian_Tuscany
0.07555313 Italian_Marche
0.07627648 Italian_Umbria
0.08069948 Italian_Lazio
0.08794328 Italian_Molise
0.08799437 Italian_Abruzzo
0.09444295 Italian_Apulia
0.09726913 Italian_Basilicata
0.09979175 Italian_Campania
0.10514301 Italian_Calabria

Individual samples from Tuscany (21)


Distance to: gixajo_scaled
0.05526182 Italian_Tuscany:MURLO114
0.05583136 Italian_Tuscany:Tuscany98
0.05590313 Italian_Tuscany:VO65
0.05690049 Italian_Tuscany:NA20505
0.05848622 Italian_Tuscany:Tuscany27
0.05864509 Italian_Tuscany:NA20504
0.05872481 Italian_Tuscany:NA20502
0.05878228 Italian_Tuscany:Tuscany54
0.05910769 Italian_Tuscany:Tuscany38
0.05938714 Italian_Tuscany:Tuscany93
0.05944645 Italian_Tuscany:NA20508
0.06026571 Italian_Tuscany:Tuscany74
0.06382426 Italian_Tuscany:VO59
0.06402196 Italian_Tuscany:VO109
0.07128049 Italian_Tuscany:NA20506

Distance to: gixajo_dad_scaled
0.04442230 Italian_Tuscany:MURLO114
0.04578010 Italian_Tuscany:Tuscany98
0.04621294 Italian_Tuscany:VO65
0.04784260 Italian_Tuscany:NA20505
0.05063911 Italian_Tuscany:Tuscany27
0.05083506 Italian_Tuscany:Tuscany38
0.05220577 Italian_Tuscany:NA20508
0.05221563 Italian_Tuscany:Tuscany93
0.05302986 Italian_Tuscany:NA20502
0.05322214 Italian_Tuscany:Tuscany74
0.05326260 Italian_Tuscany:Tuscany54
0.05444317 Italian_Tuscany:NA20504
0.05487425 Italian_Tuscany:VO109
0.06013697 Italian_Tuscany:VO59
0.06429626 Italian_Tuscany:NA20506

Distance to: gixajo_mom_scaled
0.06070758 Italian_Tuscany:Tuscany98
0.06560515 Italian_Tuscany:Tuscany38
0.06621344 Italian_Tuscany:VO65
0.06638449 Italian_Tuscany:MURLO114
0.06651330 Italian_Tuscany:Tuscany74
0.06751449 Italian_Tuscany:NA20505
0.06816694 Italian_Tuscany:Tuscany93
0.06847807 Italian_Tuscany:Tuscany27
0.06855617 Italian_Tuscany:NA20508
0.06939733 Italian_Tuscany:NA20502
0.06984574 Italian_Tuscany:Tuscany54
0.07192438 Italian_Tuscany:NA20504
0.07552506 Italian_Tuscany:VO109
0.07787363 Italian_Tuscany:VO59
0.08113216 Italian_Tuscany:NA20506