Classify Estonian guy plz

[LorD NooB]

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[Unknown European]

Dalofaelid and Fenno Nordid. Maybe Borreby.

[Immanenz]

Borreby/Baltic

[Harkonnen]

East Baltic.

[Roy]

Faelid + something eastern mixed int.

[XenophobicPrussian]

Fenno Nordid+Borreby or generalized CM. North-East Tronder basically.

[LorD NooB]

Okay, thank you everyone for your answers

[cass]

Nordid/Paleoeuropid aY (CM fraction)

[Jana]

Borreby/West Baltid. Typical Estonian I would say.

[Harkonnen]

Borreby/West Baltid. Typical Estonian I would say.

Typical Estonian is East Baltic.

[Jana]

Typical Estonian is East Baltic.

That's not true. But you even classify yourself East Baltic so...:D

[Harkonnen]

T5hat's not true. But you even classify yourself East Baltic so...:D

Folk have just mutilated the phenotype so its understandable you are confused. According to Coon, typical Estonian East Baltic - yes.

[XenophobicPrussian]

Folk have just mutilated the phenotype so its understandable you are confused. According to Coon, typical Estonian East Baltic - yes.
While it's true people have changed the definition of the phenotype(not just random people but other anthropologists as well), for the better, the latter is simply not true, Coon had Estonians as a majority or plurality of Nordics, although his East Baltic was present, but peaked in Pomerania.

https://pnimg.net/lrep/1842/54/b238e95ee90.jpg

You can have all the Chink eyes and prominent cheekbones you want, long face and doli you are still a Nordicuck in Coon's scheme.

This German Alpinid/Sub-Nordid is your beloved Coon East Baltic:

https://www.theapricity.com/snpa/bilder/troe072.jpg

[Harkonnen]

You are absolutely wrong. Coon's East Baltic peaks in Livonia, Estonia, Eastern Latvia, and Western Finland. Now personally I think that Coon was fed false information and Coon East Baltic actually peaks in East Finland, but that is another matter, going by what Coon wrote, what I said previously is absolute fact.

Also average Estonian face is very broad. It is even broader than Finnish face, especially compared to southern Finnish face. If average byzygomatic is 145 or something, you are not gonna find much Nordids.

[XenophobicPrussian]

Not what his own map says. How broad a face is comparatively to how long it is = how broad a face is, you're literally just talking about head size.

https://henrydelesquen2017.files.wordpress.com/2017/02/coon_carleton_stevens_the_races_of_europe.jpg

A Nordid N Euro will often have a bigger head(therefore technically broader if you measure not proportionally) than many proportionally broad, short faced Alpinids or Dinarids for example.

https://www.theapricity.com/snpa/bilder/troe-map7a.jpg

https://c8.alamy.com/comp/P77E4E/english-photograph-of-the-finnish-politicians-juho-kustaa-lehtinen-18831937-and-yrj-sirola-18761936-before-1937-43-lehtinen-sirola-P77E4E.jpg

You act like you're the second coming of the Finn on the left above or Alexander Kuoppala, but your head shape, for all intents and purposes, is Mediterranean according to Coon. Find another anthropologist to dick ride.

[Harkonnen]

My head shape is not mediterranean -- now you are flippin. Broadest ever Karelian skull measured was 185mm. This is very likely also the world record.

[Harkonnen]

Not what his own map says. How broad a face is comparatively to how long it is = how broad a face is, you're literally just talking about head size.

From ROE

Finns
bizygomatic, 141 mm
bigonial, 114mm

Livonians and Estonians
bizygomatic 145.8mm
bigonial, 113mm

FACE HEIGHT
Finland: The mean for the total is 126.5 mm., and the longest faces are found in southwestern Finland, while the shortest occur in the north.
Estonia: 124.7
Livs: 122.5

[Harkonnen]

A Nordid N Euro will often have a bigger head(therefore technically broader if you measure not proportionally) than many proportionally broad, short faced Alpinids or Dinarids for example.

https://www.theapricity.com/snpa/bilder/troe-map7a.jpg






Map doesn't take into account skull height.

[Harkonnen]

In 1931 German anthro-psycho-doktor T.Y. Roschier measured bunch of Karelian tribesmen. His broadskull champion had skull breadth of 185 mm. This is almost 5 cm's broader than the UP average, and, after taking closer look at officially measured specs of various Finnish tribes, it looks to be Finnish champion as well. Hooorayh!

Here are the averages for various Finnish tribes. I must say, on the whole, the Karelian sample looks suspicious, as it has much higher variation than the rest of the samples. There is no way a pure ethnic Karelian has skull breadth of 12cm's, unless it's suffering from some disease :picard1: So I don't know what hobo-drifters the psycho-dok has measured :picard2:

*Average Karelian - male*
Head lenght 186.28 (154-208)
Head breadth 152.36 (124-185)

*Savo - male*
Head lenght 189.41 (166-214)
Head breadth 153.49 (137-174)

*Tavastia - male*
Head lenght 191.37 (175-214)
Head breadth 154.85 (142-170)

*Satakunta (male)*
Head lenght 191.12 (171-211)
Head breadth 153.60 (139-169)

*Finland proper (male)*
Head lenght 194.18 (177-209)
Head breadth 153.46 (141-168)

*Turku Archipelago male*
Head lenght 196.83 (186-223)
Head breadth 157.04 (145-168)


*Southern-Ostrobothnia (FI) male*
Head lenght 193.25 (179-212)
Head breadth 153.95 (142-167)

*Southern-Ostrobothnia (SWE) male*
Head lenght 190.23 (171-210)
Head breadth 153.30 (140-168)

*Northern-Ostrobothnia - male*
Head lenght 188.40 (170-207)
Head breadth 155.78 (139-177)

As you can see both the narrowest and broadest skull was found in Karelia, which is foookin weird.

[LorD NooB]

Folk have just mutilated the phenotype so its understandable you are confused. According to Coon, typical Estonian East Baltic - yes.

Yeah, but Coon's East Baltid is something we used to call West Baltid.

[Östsvensk]

As you can see both the narrowest and broadest skull was found in Karelia, which is foookin weird.

Karelians were sometimes Alhamdulillah described as members of the noble Arab club.

The Racial Elements of European History, H.F.K. Günther, ch. IV:


The Finnish Karelian tribe, occupying eastern Finland, has not been investigated as to its racial composition. They are, contrasting especially with the Tavasts, of rather slender build, and middling height, and show a rather large proportion of brown hair with brownish skin, curly hair, rather narrow face, long, narrow nose, and thick beard. In their mental constitution, too, the Karelians stand out from the other Finnish tribes: they are merrier, more talkative, of greater decision, but less enduring; they are friendly, and give a nobler impression by their good carriage and more refined movements.18 What racial mixture do they represent? One is tempted to think of connexions with the 'Riazan type', mentioned below, and to assume (in this district with its poor communications) special selective forces, which have been favourable to a certain cross.

The Anthroplogical Study of Finland, B.Lundman, p. 211 and 214:


However, Haartman likens the Karelians to "desert Bedouins" (!), with brown hair, blue eyes, long and high-vaulted crania, narrow faces, and straight, narrow noses.

[...]

The zygomatic arch is absolutely smaller in some narrower faced Swedish groups in the west and southwest and in the short East Finns. This, however, does not hold for the equally short North Finns mixed with the very broad-faced Lapps. These groups have an absolutely larger zygomatic arch, along with the mediumsized West Finns and the verv tall island Swedes. The whole picture is thus far from clear. The very small values along Lake Ladoea are physiofrnomicallv noticeable, thus providing the only definite basis for Haartman's " Bedouin hypothesis." This trait mav hark back to old remnants of East-Mediterranean Russian and Gypsy immigrants, of whom there were at one time fairly large numbers in this area (see map in Thesleff, 1910).

[Harkonnen]

That is likely where Kaarlo Hänninen got seeds for his 1929 description, "Karjalainen on solakkavartaloinen ja pitempi. Silmät ovat tummemmat, tukka tavallisesti ruskea ja usein kihara. Luonteeltaan karjalainen on reipas, puhelias ja toimelias. Hänellä ei kuitenkaan ole hämäläisen sitkeyttä töissään. Se nähdään varsinkin siinä, että hänellä ei ole maanviljelyyn niin suurta halua kuin hämäläisillä. Sen sijaan tekee hän mielellään kauppaa. Karjalainen rakastaa laulua ja soittoa."

I shall now write 'snow-desert bedouin' to my profile. Lemminkäinen will die of jelly, Alhamtulillah-haa