Classify two German girls (both from SW Germany)

[mak87]

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/7b/c8/1d/7bc81dd027f6de2daf9eb01d3a0022fe.jpg
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https://external-preview.redd.it/Xiyo6ovwAVYMLZ4kuOI-ozyYq--L3ZxTFF_EFWx77nA.jpg?auto=webp&ed990491
https://k6.cl/Images/Upload/60abb3f2-98b8-462f-84d4-17997ae49c64.jpg

https://i.redd.it/7deqc4rqycj51.jpg
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https://64.media.tumblr.com/3b74c03d4007b4777ad0a586fa9f217d/80cdaecfa8d64fc3-27/s640x960/469aad68a9b4ef6bd2fee47c96d7a4241cd59ab9.jpg
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/9d/f3/22/9df322c96173a10722c7be044c861850.jpg

[travv]

Viridian1's girls.

[chociprasa]

First one is Atlantid-Alpinid + some Faelid
Second one looks like an American college Stacy, Subnordid + minor Faelid

[Chris596]

Deutsche beauties. Nordicized Atlantid / North Atlantid range.

[Oliver109]

Both typical for SW Germany, first one is atlantid with Med and alpine mixture, could pass in Spain, second is subnordid and anglo saxon, very NW euro looking.

[Immanenz]

Centraleurotypes, pass also in the Eastern part of it. Obv. if OP would claim they are Polish classification would sound very different.

[Viridian1]

Viridian1's girls.

The 2nd one especially. Miss perfect.

1 North Atlantid
2 Balto-Nordid, looks slavic ;)

[CommonSense]

Both of them pass easily in Slavic countries. The second girl's pheno can also be found commonly here. Makes me wonder if OP is being intentionally misleading.

[CommonSense]

The second one doesn't even have a German name:

https://www.instagram.com/shirinaalina/

[princeton90]

TBH, they don't look so typical for their region. They look rather Eastern.

[Sakis]

Beauties don't need classification.

[mak87]

The second one doesn't even have a German name:

https://www.instagram.com/shirinaalina/

They both live in SW Germany. Real name of second girl is Shirina Hienstorfer but I agree that both of them can pass in Slavic countries.

[Immanenz]

They both live in SW Germany. Real name of second girl is Shirina Hienstorfer but I agree that both of them can pass in Slavic countries.

Hienstorfer is actually a Bavarian name, so technically not SW of Germany

[CommonSense]

I was in Switzerland twice and phenotypes such as these are far far from common.

[Kyp]

Both look South German

Don't see Slavic influence

[mak87]

Hienstorfer is actually a Bavarian name, so technically not SW of Germany

Both of them post mostly pics from places in Baden Wurttemberg (first girl from mostly from area around Stuttgart and second from Konstanz and Ravensburg). Their origin can be from other region but they live there.

[Sakis]

The first could probably pass as Polish or Czech, the second looks 100% Germanic.

[Oliver109]

I was in Switzerland twice and phenotypes such as these are far far from common.

Isn't Switzerland supposed to be more Nordic than SW Germany?

[Kyp]

Both of them post mostly pics from places in Baden Wurttemberg (first girl from mostly from area around Stuttgart and second from Konstanz and Ravensburg). Their origin can be from other region but they live there.

Idk about origin but Hienstorfer is most common in BW not in Bavaria.

[CommonSense]

Isn't Switzerland supposed to be more Nordic than SW Germany?

Their autosomal DNA is pretty much the same. Speaking about Swiss Germans of course.

[cass]

TBH, they don't look so typical for their region. They look rather Eastern.

Thus Spoke Zarathustra...

Have you been there?

Badenians from Schwarzwald
https://i.ibb.co/dMbhWdC/w50.jpg

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?273808-Guess-this-group

[Oliver109]

Thus Spoke Zarathustra...

Have you been there?

Badenians from Schwarzwald
https://i.ibb.co/dMbhWdC/w50.jpg

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?273808-Guess-this-group
Very central Euro looking, such people look very foreign from British shores

[Viridian1]

Thus Spoke Zarathustra...

Have you been there?

Badenians from Schwarzwald
https://i.ibb.co/dMbhWdC/w50.jpg

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?273808-Guess-this-group

Holyshit, that ladybug just killed me! :hides

[Immanenz]

Very central Euro looking, such people look very foreign from British shores

lmao


post a Atlanto-Dinaric actor from Sudetenland and you tell he looks very British, or that Beorussian Nordid that looks very English

[cass]

Very central Euro looking, such people look very foreign from British shores

Thats the same Alpine/Laponoid belt stretching from France to Hungary.

[Immanenz]

Thats the same Alpine/Laponoid belt stretching from France to Hungary.

do you really think they look much different to Brunns outside of coloring?

[cass]

do you really think they look much different to Brunns outside of coloring?

Brünn is just German name for Moravian Brno.

[Oliver109]

do you really think they look much different to Brunns outside of coloring?

Slightly different, these are Brunns
https://www.sportsmatters.tv/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/20046368_855459771289936_5449294109769105879_n.jpg

[Immanenz]

Brünn is just German name for Moravian Brno.

i knwo what it means- but mainly Brunns are longer headed compared to Alpines, but you cannot judge that from frontal pics even. Some of those people are in Borreby/Brunn range- large headed like that females in front. Some look like AlpineMed types which would indeed be less typical- athough again give them skin type I,, reddish hair and lets see what happens...

[Altaylı]

beautoids
chickoids

[Immanenz]

Slightly different, these are Brunns


well exactly slightly different is the word. And the girl left in front would be easily Romanian/ Bulgarian

[Ülev]

I have family in BW (Schwäbisch Gmünd, Stuttgart etc.) and I do know that there is many ausländers, from Paleo-Atlantid country, Poland etc., you have to know on which pics are ethnic Germans, they go to schools etc. also

[Oliver109]

well exactly slightly different is the word. And the girl left in front would be easily Romanian/ Bulgarian

Unlikely, her facial features are more robust, edging towards Brunn/Paleo atlantid, she could pass for a Romanian Brunn/pontid mix but not common there.

[cass]

i knwo what it means- but mainly Brunns are longer headed compared to Alpines, but you cannot judge that from frontal pics even. Some of those people are in Borreby/Brunn range- large headed like that females in front. Some look like AlpineMed types which would indeed be less typical- athough again give them skin type I,, reddish hair and lets see what happens...

Nobody knows really the pigmentation of Brunn type.
As we know head size, especially length could be modified by environmental factors in quite short period.
IMHO debrachycephalization process could be also present in nowadays Baden.

[Oliver109]

Nobody knows really the pigmentation of Brunn type.
As we know head size, especially length could be modified by environmental factors in quite short period.
IMHO debrachycephalization process could be also present in nowadays Baden.
I think the original pigmentation for Brunns must be a pale one, all the areas where they predominate like northern England, Ireland and the north sea coasts of Europe are very pale so i can imagine that Brunns have nearly always had that colour.

[cass]

I have family in BW (Schwäbisch Gmünd, Stuttgart etc.) and I do know that there is many ausländers, from Paleo-Atlantid country, Poland etc., you have to know on which pics are ethnic Germans, they go to schools etc. also

I can assure you that this is rare pict. where visible foreign admixture is not present. They are from distant small town Wolfach. Some of their names are mentioned.
https://www.schwarzwaelder-post.de/orte/wolfach/2018/07/wolfacher-gymnasiasten-feiern-abitur/37396

[Altaylı]

Mashallah

[cass]

I think the original pigmentation for Brunns must be a pale one, all the areas where they predominate like northern England, Ireland and the north sea coasts of Europe are very pale so i can imagine that Brunns have nearly always had that colour.

Well, that's not really an argument. Brunn CM is CE type.

[Immanenz]

Nobody knows really the pigmentation of Brunn type.
As we know head size, especially length could be modified by environmental factors in quite short period.
IMHO debrachycephalization process could be also present in nowadays Baden.

They arent that brachy and Irish arent that meso like some claimed- too much Brunn/Borreby like faces. In fact its way more common than Atlantid types. (Jsut look the average female Irish moprh) There are obvious differences- but i would guess those AlpineMed are between meso to subbrachy, this isnt even a big deal- only hyperdoli/ doli (North Africa, Arabs) and hyperbrachi (Caucasus East Alpines/Taurids)are immediatly easy to recognize. Nobody here can judge that easy what is 79 and what is 82 Cephalic Index only by looking on a photo.


https://s.yimg.com/xe/i/us/sp/v/soccer/wc/players/378223.2.png
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/05/John_McInerney.jpg
frontal view everybody thigns 2nd guy must be longer headed

https://www.hitc.com/static/uploads/hitcn/429/tottenhams_eric_dier_during_training_310617.jpg
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/hvR1SveIENw/hqdefault.jpg

Dier could catch up though only because of sheer length of his Cm skull- could both end up being around 78- 80 Ci

[Kivan]

First woman passes as Turkish and second looks Slavic (Polish, Ukrainian or something).

[Universe]

The second one looks German, not slavic. The first one has more neutral look.

[Norb]

more 'Slavic' looking than 'Germanic' in my view, but wait! they are Faelid so they must be uber Germanic :picard1:

[Altaylı]

They look germanics to me

[Immanenz]

I think the original pigmentation for Brunns must be a pale one, all the areas where they predominate like northern England, Ireland and the north sea coasts of Europe are very pale so i can imagine that Brunns have nearly always had that colour.
:picard2:

The original Brunns cass is talking about are the Upper Paleolethic findings in Brno.

Brits are mostly Bronze Age Bell Beakers

[Oliver109]

:picard2:

The original Brunns cass is talking about are the Upper Paleolethic findings in Brno.

Brits are mostly Bronze Age Bell Beakers

Bell beakers? i don't really buy that as there are still distinct differences in the appearance of people from areas with more Palaeolithic survivors like western Ireland compared to people from southern England, as someone from London i can say that Brunns are not very common in the English population here around London compared to Scotland say. Was there a bell beaker type you think?

[Peter Parker]

Still a big lol at people who are saying that South Germans are dark.

[Immanenz]

Bell beakers? i don't really buy that as there are still distinct differences in the appearance of people from areas with more Palaeolithic survivors like western Ireland compared to people from southern England, as someone from London i can say that Brunns are not very common in the English population here around London compared to Scotland say. Was there a bell beaker type you think?

London... its like saying Vienna is representative for Austria despite over 25% Viennese have recent immigration background.
Genetically there are some differences and phenos can change a bit especially given the fact that Scots and English have more Germanic input.

My point about Brunns: i would not conpare Irish pigmentation to Upper Paleolthic, since genetically diferent types. WHG were purely dark haired for example

Early Bell Beakers: tall, rather robust doli/mesocephals mixed with robust dinaromorphic Cms. The later was dominant at the start but Ci can change through time and other influences

[Oliver109]

London... its like saying Vienna is representative for Austria despite over 25% Viennese have recent immigration background.
Genetically there are some differences and phenos can change a bit especially given the fact that Scots and English have more Germanic input.

My point about Brunns: i would not conpare Irish pigmentation to Upper Paleolthic, since genetically diferent types. WHG were purely dark haired for example

Early Bell Beakers: tall, rather robust doli/mesocephals mixed with robust dinaromorphic Cms. The later was dominant at the start but Ci can change through time and other influences
Sorry i meant around London so Surrey, Kent etc which are still identifying as 90% white British, i think the Bell beakers made a big impact on British society but as a group it was probably no bigger than the impact made by Romans and Normans, most of our ancestry i think comes from the original Paleolithic settlers, Neolithic Mediterraneans, Celts and Saxons.

[decordoba]

Norid

[Jana]

Hard to say what they look like, lot of styling and makeup that make all young women from Europe look similarly generic. First one could pass further east, but second look Celto-Germanic mostly.

[Jana]

Very central Euro looking, such people look very foreign from British shores

They are rather swarthy for German standards. And that fits my experiences in the region. I'd say Black forest is darkest part of Germany.

[Slavic Italian]

They look like the girls I saw in Bremen back in the day.

[Oliver109]

They are rather swarthy for German standards. And that fits my experiences in the region. I'd say Black forest is darkest part of Germany.

First one maybe but not the second, though tanned skin like that is not that rare among Germans, even many English have a similar skin tone, in Spain she would be light but not in France i don't think.

[Jana]

First one maybe but not the second, though tanned skin like that is not that rare among Germans, even many English have a similar skin tone, in Spain she would be light but not in France i don't think.

I meant locals from that part of Germany.

https://i.ibb.co/dMbhWdC/w50.jpg

Notice how few men have light hair and they are very young. It's not a cherrypicked crowd but representative one, because in town where I lived natives looked like that.

[Immanenz]

Sorry i meant around London so Surrey, Kent etc which are still identifying as 90% white British, i think the Bell beakers made a big impact on British society but as a group it was probably no bigger than the impact made by Romans and Normans, most of our ancestry i think comes from the original Paleolithic settlers, Neolithic Mediterraneans, Celts and Saxons.

This sounds very Coon- like but its not factual.
Those Schwarzwald Germans cass posted are much more "Neolithic Med" and "Celtic" than Irish. Upper Paleolithic admix peaks somewhere in the Balticum.

[Oliver109]

I meant locals from that part of Germany.

https://i.ibb.co/dMbhWdC/w50.jpg

Notice how few men have light hair and they are very young. It's not a cherrypicked crowd but representative one, because in town where I lived natives looked like that.

Oh sorry, i get it, you are right, not typical for Germany, they look more like the northern/eastern French which is not surprising.

[Jana]

Oh sorry, i get it, you are right, not typical for Germany, they look more like the northern/eastern French which is not surprising.

IMO they have German facial features. But in terms of coloring fit more with NE French and Swiss indeed. :)

[Ylla]

1. Atlantid
2. subnordid

[Ülev]

no, no, no! they tan goldish/yellowish - Scando feature

[EM78GREENSAVANNAH]

Faces = beautiful

Body = 12 year old boy named Thomas who has trouble fitting in at school

Most Western European women = this

[Norb]

They are rather swarthy for German standards. And that fits my experiences in the region. I'd say Black forest is darkest part of Germany.

Do you think they are swarthy? If they're swarthy I'm 50% negroid!

[Norb]

no, no, no! they tan goldish/yellowish - Scando feature

Germanic tan but not Germanic :rolleyes:

[decordoba]

Mainly roots of SW Germans:
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1) Svabians, Alemanns (Alemanni), who migrated to this area from the Baltic Sea coast ~1.800 years ago. They are blond, blue eyez, slim and tall,... They are classified as Norid, Nordid, Baltid,....
2) Alpine (native population of Schwarzwald), who settled in this area for several thousand years. They have dark hair, mostly brown eyez, mostly strong physique,... They are classified as Alpine or not to be classified because of too much mix - ethnic background.
3) Subnordid Northwest Europeans, they have blond hair, blue eyez, mostly strong physique. They live north of the Alps, northern Central Europe, up to GB, maybe Poland... They are classified as Alpine or Subnordid,...

[FF020]

I feel like I've seen/met 20 girls like these in North America lol.

1st one is Atlanto-Med + Alpine

2nd one is Subnordid + CM

[Grace O'Malley]

Sorry i meant around London so Surrey, Kent etc which are still identifying as 90% white British, i think the Bell beakers made a big impact on British society but as a group it was probably no bigger than the impact made by Romans and Normans, most of our ancestry i think comes from the original Paleolithic settlers, Neolithic Mediterraneans, Celts and Saxons.

Well that's not correct.


We document this phenomenon most clearly in Britain, where the spread of the Beaker complex introduced high levels of steppe-related ancestry and was associated with the replacement of approximately 90% of Britain’s gene pool within a few hundred years, continuing the east-to-west expansion that had brought steppe-related ancestry into central and northern Europe over the previous centuries.

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/135962v1

Some populations came after the Bronze Age but it remains to be seen what input they had. Anglo-Saxons of course and possibly some Celts like Belgae etc but the Bell Beaker had a huge impact.